November 11, 2025 • 48 mins
After the Cardinals' 44-22 loss to the Seahawks, Jess and Seth react to what they saw. They talk about the play of Jacoby Brissett, the good and the bad from the offense and defense, whether there was anything positive to take from the game and whether Jonatan Gannon should be on the hot seat.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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what a laughable game set forty four to twenty. And
it wasn't even that close because they were down thirty
five to nothing with it was halfway through the second
quarter and they were down by five fricking touchdowns. And
the only reason it even got reasonably close is because
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the Seahawks, who are turnover prone, turned the ball over
three different times.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You know, it was one of those games where it
started bad and then just got laughably worse, and then
you were just kind of like who cares. And I
did see a lot of people like, hey, they had
some fight, you know, look at what they did, you
know to make it respectable. At the end, I was like,
I can tell where we're at in the fandom cycle
right now of like moral victories, you know, because we're
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just looking for things to try. And you know, because
again it was it was, hey, everything's going to be
better now, right like they they made the move at quarterback.
Things were going to be better. There's no way it
was going to be bad. And then it was the
worst performance probably in what two to three years.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Oh my god, we've seen. It reminded me of the
well I mean overall, like because it fell behind, but
it was it was the same type of game as
the Washington and Green Bay games last year.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah. Yeah, so, and so that's the thing is, you
know people look at it and go, you know, they're
creating narratives to try to like again justify everything, and
it's like, no, let's just you know, call the space bade.
It was a terrible game. The team was ill prepared.
The guy that was you know, supposed to be the
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cure all for the offense, you know well, and the
things that just and I have been kind of like
railing on like we did early in the season with
the defense, especially in the fourth quarter. You know, the
you tweeted about it a couple of times, you and
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and you know your site and and your co worker
at your site wrote about it like it's an unsustainable
way of playing and and it all kind of came
crashing down in this game, and you know, it's it's
one of those situations where you look at it and
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you go, this was not I think the the speed
in which it happened was unexpected, but this was not
an unexpected game in any way, shape or form, because
there were a lot of flaws, you know, with with
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what was happening, even when you know it was supposed
to be good. And and again, you know, I talked
yesterday about this. People people want to look at this
and go, oh, well, you know, you're just hating or like,
are you know, why are you blaming Persett? I'm like,
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I've never once blamed Jacoby Brissette. I actually don't think
it's the quarterback's fault at all. That that's kind of
been our stance the whole time, right, like, and and
so you look at it, and this week you just
you just saw the flaws of the team overall. You
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saw a team that was that is, you know, poorly constructed,
that doesn't really have depth, which is something we've talked about, right, Like,
they can't afford the injuries that they've been having because
it's you know, while it is year three of a rebuild.
They they basically started from scratch and had no talent.
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And so when they got the talent, and and it
basically made it where they that talent was starting and
and now you you know, now the next piece of
that is depth, and and.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
They built the depth only to have all of their
talent get hurt right exactly, He's gone.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And so that's the you know, that was the thing.
And I think there was some I think Johnny Venerable
talked about it yesterday. There were some decisions that were
made leaving players in in a blowout that were interesting
and hopefully not costly, right, And all of that leads
to a lot of questions about the state of the
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team and the franchise.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Let's let's start to see if there was anything worth salvaging,
any positives in this game, and I can I can
point to I think the one great positive is that
and he's just been consistent in SA try McBride continues
to do what he's done for the last two seasons,
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and that is just produce produced, produce nine catches for
one hundred and twenty seven yards and another touchdown. He's
now got six touchdowns on the season, which you know,
remember remember how we all worried about whether he would
be be able to move into the next stratosphere of
tight ends and that was always going to hinge on
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him get finding the end zone. We I always felt
that last year was just anomalist, that there is no
way as someone who has the volume of receptions that
he does would only have two touchdowns. And that's what
we're seeing this year. He's got six touchdown catches already.
That's you know, pacing for double digits, which would put
him you know, he's gonna pace. He's pacing for a
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thousand yards, hundred catches and double digit touchdowns and you're
going to start talk talking about him in the same
breath as you do like George Kittle and Travis Kelcey,
and as they get older, he's going to carry the
torch with Rock Bauers and Sam Laporta for those just
elite tight ends. And he keeps doing it, and so
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that was good. He's healthy, he was productive, and then
I liked. I liked that Amaro de Mercado has really
kind of bounced back from his blunder in week five
and he continues to show how what just a kind
of nice little, you know, depth piece that you have
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because he does the whole third down things. He's really
good at picking up past blitz pick up, and then
on top of that, he is explosive when he gets
into open space. You know, the rushing numbers that the
Cardinals had at one hundred and twenty nine of the
game look way better because Demarcatta ripped off a fifty
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five yard and that was after he also had so
he had he had over one hundred yards from scrimmage
and eighty nine of them came on two plays. He
had the fifty five yard run and he had a
thirty four yard catch, and he just continues to be
aside from the being the villain in week five, he
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is a really nice piece on the team who just
aside from the one game well aside from two when
the drop against San Francisco and the fumble. You know,
I'll argue with anyone to this who wants to even
though he was called to have a fum, I still
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he crossed the plane before he let that ball go,
and that was overturned on principle rather than actual video
evidence because his ball, that ball is still in his
hand and he crosses the goal line. But I'll argue,
I will talk to I'm blue in the face about that. Now.
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Should he have come that close to do it? No,
that's different, since that's why it was overturned off principle
to embarrass the Cardinals. I think I swear it was.
But outside of that, I don't know if there was
anything else positive other than the individual play of a
Marti Mercado and Trey mcbriden. Maybe you could look at
Jacoby Brissette's stat line and think that he was a positive,
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but it was fifty percent of his passes. You know,
he didn't he didn't have an interception, and so look
at the passing numbers. It's two hundred and fifty eight
yards and two touchdowns. You're like, oh, it's a pretty
nice game, except for then you look deeper in there
and you see what happened with the two strip sacks
and defensive touchdowns. But did you find anything else positive
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or even palatable in that game?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I mean, I think you mentioned, you know McBride, that's
always he's in a highlight this year, and that continued
in this one. And then I mean, I think you
have to look at the fact that this game specifically,
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you know, there was not a whole lot of good things.
But Paris Johnson continues to be teetering on a top
five left tackle in the NFL already, which is which
is fun, right, Like, that's a that's a solid thing.
After that, man, you know, I was thinking about this too, Jess,
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because you know, when you get down twenty eight to
zero in the first quarter, right, and but two of
the scores are on when when the offense is on
the field, you go, okay, well, like is it that bad?
Like right like? And then you know, you look at
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it and you you just you go, yeah, it was
that bad.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Like it was that bad.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The craziest stat to me at one point was that
at one point in the game, the Seahawks had ran
i think thirty three plays and they were up thirty
five to zero, and I was just like, oh my god,
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I'm like, that's just such an absurd stat. Like they've
scored more points than they have plays they've run, Like
that's just such offensive plays they've run. Like that's just
such an absurd stat and kind of like makes you go, Yeah,
there's really very little, if anything positive to write home
about yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Coming an next one rosives here at podcast best Archarger's
talking thet way. Let's talk about youa Cooby Brissette. His
play the offense obviously won't be good because we already
talked about that. That's coming to next on riseis he
read back on the Rise of Seriad podcast. But Star
Cardinals talk on the way of talking about the Cardinals
forty four to twenty two loss to the Seattle Seahawks
in Seattle in Week ten, a game that they were
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the doors blasted out and then they sort of coasted away. Now,
Brissett didn't look terrible. But at the same time, and
I'm gonna ask you this, did Brissett look any different,
like aside from the aside from getting hit. You know,
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he got hit, but aside from the defensive touches, touchdowns,
did we see anything different from Brissett against Seattle than
we saw in any of the other three games that
he started, because to me, it didn't look like he's
been identical in every game.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, I mean there were a couple of things, right, So,
like the first thing that I looked at and this
week that you know, kind of told a story or
told you know, the story of what we saw was
you know, he was not good in terms of pushing
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the ball vertical. And again that's something that we've you know,
that that has been the the rallying cry of why
he's a better fit for this offense than than Kyler Murray.
And I don't think that that's inaccurate, uh in that sense, right, Like,
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you know, his his strength is you know, holding onto
the ball, hanging in the pocket and delivering down the field.
But you and I have, like you know, and we've
we've Beatissed to death already. The way that it was going,
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it was just such an untenable situation, and like I
said yesterday, it kind of came to a head. You
had you know, he ended up going five for eighteen
on ten plus yard or sorry, six for eighteen on
ten plus yard throws. And so you might go, oh,
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that's you know, that's not terrible, right, But again, before that,
the rest of the season, he'd been much better. His
his completion percentage yesterday was miserable. His yards per attempt,
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you know, was at the lowest it's been on the season.
And so it became a situation where he's just not
and again not Jacoby's fault, but like they were just
not able to utilize his strength at all because of
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the unrelenting pressure. And now, what the game plan is
going to be moving forward? Right, Like the game plan
is just go get Jacoby, like, don't don't worry about
anything else. Like what was it?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
It was Byron Murphy the second the second year defensive
tackle referred to uh referred to Presett as a statue.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, oh no.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
He said he was a sitting duck, like fitting duck.
That's it. He was a sitting duck. Com Like, oh
my gosh, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And and so that's just the reality is, like you
look at you look at these things, you look at
how they unfold, and you just understand that this was
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a situation where the offense and the way that you
attacked the offense was so different from the way that
you attacked Kyler Murray that it took until you know,
start number four to really dial in the best way
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to attack him. And we talked about it after the
the Cowboys game, right, Jess, I mean I thought, I
thought you and I as always have done a great
job of being kind of the first to under like
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to see things and the.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
First to admit to them or sick. Yeah, yeah, I understood.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think that's the best way to put it. Yeah,
to admit to things like everybody. How you know, they
beat beat the Cowboys a great win, and you're like,
I mean, it was a good win, let's but it
was also the same the same type.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Of Cowboys mismanaged it and mismanaged the game. They were
the bad defense, and it was kind of all everything
coming to a head for both teams. So but yeah,
and it was good, but it's not like because it
Cardinals really didn't play any different than they had the
past weeks.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Right, And so then you get this game and and
you look back and and you mentioned it like the
last three games are kind of mirror images of each other, Right,
three hundred and thirty yards against the Packers, three hundred
and forty yards against the Cowboys, three hundred and thirty
five yards against the the Seahawks. You know, twenty twenty
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three points against the Packers, twenty seven points against the Cowboys,
twenty two points against the Seahawks, two hundred and thirty
six passing yards two hundred and twenty one, two hundred
and six. Like it's basically, you know, just deja vu, right,
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and so and so people look at it and they go, yeah,
he's you know, he played fine, and you're like, he, well,
he played fine in the sense of that he stayed
in there and kept throwing and he kept going. But
the reality was is that at some point you have
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to We've talked about this, right, like you have to
protect players from themselves too.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And well, the numbers are bad, Like we talked about
it before the game, and we detailed it. Thirteen sacks,
thirty five quarterback hits in the three games he'd started.
That continued, that continued, He took he was sacked five times,
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was hit another ten. But the all five sacks and
eight of the ten hits came in the first half. Obviously,
we know that two of the sacks resulted in fumbles.
That that DeMarcus Lawrence took for touchdowns. You know, so
the raw numbers are in four stars. Jacoby Versset has
been sacked eighteen times and hit forty five times. That again,
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it's unsustained. You cannot sustain any success when that is happening.
And his his sack rate, his sack rate right now,
got to pull that up because it was does he.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh, it's over ten percent, it's at ten point three
four percent.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, it's and and it's the highest it's been in
his career. And that is that's including the fifty two
sacks he took in twenty seventeen when he started fifteen
games for the Colts, he was sacked the league high
fifty four times. Yeah, you know, if we're going so
they're a he's averaging getting sacked more than four times
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a game. And if he's going to get sacked at
that rate over the next nine games eight games, nine games,
eight games, eight games, so another eight games he gets
sacked four times, that's thirty two plus the eighteen he
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will have been sacked fifty times in half a season.
Fifty times in half a season. That that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Well, and what's what's crazy er? Jess This is what's
even crazier is when you factor in sacks and yardage,
he actually averages less yards per game than Kyler because
you know, they take sacks out of your passing yards
blah blah blah, Like they don't take him out of
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the cumulative yards, but they take him out of your
you know. So he's averaging one hundred and eighty six
point three, so Kyler's one ninety two point four. And
so you're just like again, like I just I don't know, man,
Like I have no problem with Jakobe. I don't and
and I think he's done a hell of a job
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as a backup in a tough situation. But I don't
think a completion percentage of sub sixty one percent is
is something that you want. I mean, think about this again,
Jess in four games, four games, he's thrown one hundred
and fifty five passes. Kyler, in a full extra game
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has thrown one hundred and sixty one passes. Like that's
the that's absurd that they're They basically were like, yeah, well,
you know, and and it would be different if for
most of those games, you know, they had James Connor
and Trey Benson but even in the Tennessee game, right,
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they Kyler threw the ball thirty one times, and so
it's just it's wild to see how how it's playing out,
you know, And I saw yesterday like people are like
hyping up Marvin Harrison Junior got you know, thirteen targets.
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I'm like, wait, are thirteen targets?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, thirteen if you include the two point conversion.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Right, right, so thirteen targets in the game, And I'm like, wait,
are thirteen targets, but like six catchable targets really that important?
Like that's like I'm not trying to be rude, but like,
what what are we doing here? Like why would it
matter if you had thirteen targets but literally only six
of them were catchable? I just that's you know, and
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there's little things that like you know that you look
at the success rate per play, right, Like it it's
interesting that Kyler's having more success than Jakobe. But that's
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not to say that it's an indicator of anything. It's
just it's interesting that that's not the narrative, right, Like
the narrative is that it's the offense is just you know, humming,
and it's like okay. I mean, and again you look
at it, it was it was fun in the beginning,
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three hundred and twelve passing yards and then week two,
two thirty six, Week three, two twenty one, Week four,
two oh six, like like, those numbers go down each week.
And I know that Jacobe's thrown for more yards. Don't
get me wrong, I understand how it works. But the
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passing yardage includes the number of sack yardage, and and
those sack numbers are so insanely high at this point.
You just went over at four and a half sacks
per game. That's that's not a sustainable thing. And and
you and I talked about that, like it's just it's
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crazy to think that looking at that and going, oh,
that's okay. That that fans are like, oh yeah, it's
not a big deal. And you're like wait, what, like
why why? I mean you mentioned it and your numbers
are slightly off. He's on pace for fifty four sacks
because it's four and a half sacks per game.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Oh my gosh, he's on pace to have he's on
pace for a half a season have the most sacks
he's had. And that's when he led the NFL in
getting sacked when he played a full season. God, right,
come on.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And so you know, you look at it, it's just
it's just one of those things. And and it's interesting
how it all just it all, all the all the
goodwill can get carried over, right, Like you know, again,
Marvin Harrison doesn't really do a whole lot yesterday, right,
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three catches for thirty three yards on you know, technically
four for thirty five if you include like you said,
the extra point, but three three catches on twelve targets,
like a twenty five percent catch rate. That's his lowest
of the season. It was the second lowest amount of
yards or sorry, the third lowest amount of yards he's
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had this season. His two lowest yard is or two
of his three lowest yards games were with.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Jacoby, right that we talked with the Marv looks better
with Jacobe. In four games, there's two catches, two catches,
three catches, and the only game he was good was
was Dallas.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Right, And so you know, you look at that, it's
it's just I don't know, it's it goes back to efficiency, right,
Like are you a fan of bulk numbers? Bulk stats?
Like old school football stuff? Are you more of a
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fan of like the efficiency of the game and how
things are playing out and right now, the reality is
that it's obvious that fans prefer the bulk numbers. And
I saw a meme the other day. It was funny,
you know, it said it said something to the effect of,
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you know, Kyler Murray playing quarterback, and it's the like
scared and sad meme. And then on the other side,
it's looking out the window and it's like losing what
Jacoby were said at quarterback and it's like happy smiling,
and you're just like it's like I can respect that,
like I do, Like I respect if you're like, oh yeah,
I don't care if they win or lose. As long
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as Kyler's not playing, I don't care. And I've had
people straight up tell me that, like, oh I don't care.
I just don't like watching Kyler play, so I'd rather
I don't. I don't care, And it's like that's a
weird thing, but at least, you know, at least it's honest, right, like, like,
oh yeah, I don't care if they win or lose
as long as you know it, as long as it's
not Tyler is playing. You're like, okay, I respect, I
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do respect that I do.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
There you go cover to next cent of the Rise
of Seriit podcast Best Our Cardinals talking one. Let's move
on to talk about the defense. What did we learn
from that? That's coming to next us. He read, we're
back on the rise of here podcast The best are
Cardinals talk on the web talking about the defense, and
my goodness, the defense was bad. I mean, we recall
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that they did a good job against Jackson Smith and
Jigba for one half of play in Week four, as
he had no catches and no receiving yards. But in
the second half he caught four passes for seventy nine yards,
had two critical receptions, one that set up the game
winning field goal. Then he comes out out and you know,
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catches four passes for eighty yards and a touchdown almost
immediately in the first quarter, and like the first two
in the first two possessions, he didn't reach one hundred
yards for the game, but but he had that touchdown
that basically that that kicked things off. And so the
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past defense wasn't good. And you could say, well they
only gave up one hundred and whatever passing yards, Well
that's because Sam Darnold only had to throw the ball
twelve times the entire game. They got absolutely gashed by
the run game. And here's the biggest, you know, indictment
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on that is that it didn't matter who it was,
whether it was Ken walker' z Ax Charbonay or George Hallani.
Charbonnay had not been good this year. He was a
goal he's a he's kind of a fantasy guy because
he likes to go in and and howk in those
steal those touchdowns at the goal line. But he was
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averaging under three yards of carry and there was one
point where he ripped off thirty thirteen to nine and
nine yards. He finished with eighty three yards on fourteen carries,
averaging just shy of six yards of carry. Ken Walker
average four point eight, George Holani averaged four point four.
Rashid Shaheed averaged ten on his carries. It was just
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bonkers that, you know, this run defense offered nothing. And
I mean the Cardinals didn't have to like the Seahawks
didn't have to do much. Sam Donald didn't do anything.
Like half of his passes, half of his completions went
to Sam Donald. He had the monster the catch and run.
The seventy four yards. The sixty seven yards came on
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one play to Cooper Cup and then he had, you know,
a couple of dump offfs. Elijah Royo with a five
yard catch, Can Walker with a three yard catch, Rashid
Shaheed with a three yard catch. It's like this, there
was so much yuck. And yeah, they got turnovers. They
took the ball away three times, the two on the fumbles.
But and you know, Josh Sweat got himself another sack.
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He's up to eight on the season. But you can't
really look at the individual play of anyone and feel
real good about it. Garrett Williams got toasted. You know,
Cody Simon, by the way, great.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Is that not kind of what I said that he
Garrett did not look right in that game against against
the Cowboys. And then he comes out and he just
he just doesn't look healthy. Like it's not that he's
playing poorly. It just doesn't look like he has his
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legs back. But it might just be a case where
they they just don't have a choice because they're so shorthanded.
It's like it's like, uh, hey, we got to you
gotta play through it, like we know what's going on.
It is what it is, like we're not you know,
but like, I mean, yeah, he was. He was bad
yesterday and then and then you can feel bad for
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guys like Denzel Burke who had been playing well in
spot duty and in small roles right and had had
a great game against Dallas, played well in minimal snaps
against Tennessee, had a decent game against Carolina, and then
you look at last last or yesterday, I mean, he
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was abysmal, abysmal, and you're like, how are you abysmol
on fifteen coverage plays? But that was just the reality, right,
Like it wasn't It's not on Denzel Burke. It's like
why are we putting these kids in those situations? And
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and you genuinely just feel bad for Burke, right because
he played his ass off the week before, he had
like I said, he had a great game, and then
he comes back and has his worst game as a
pro against it, you know, in terms of just I
don't know, like it's it that's a wild thing to me.
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And and again it's wild how bad the secondary grades
were when they threw the ball twelve times, just like.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Both times, Oh my gosh, how is that even possible, no,
and and to make things worse, Darius Robinson got hurt,
Walter Nolan got hurt, okay, and so it's it's just
it's just it's piling on, like they're losing their their
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death is getting tested, and then their depth is getting hurt,
and it's we're almost to the point where we're like, well,
let's pack it in. If this feel, this feels like
it's going in the way of twenty twenty two and
then somebody that you know, like in twenty twenty two
when Kyler towards Aco, is like, that's the only the
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only thing that you couldn't have happened ended up happening
and and then set them like that. But yeah, if
it's really it kind of feels like things are unraveling
and that the Dallas game was just a small reprieve basically.
But we kind of knew, like we kind of knew this,
especially them being banged up. We expected this game to
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be kind of the the regression game for everyone involved.
They only had one hit on on Darnold, grantedy barely.
You know, they did have a handful of tackles for loss,
but there just wasn't the defense wasn't good. They were
clearly missing mac Wilson, Max Milton, mac Wilson, Max Milton,
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and Will Johnson, and they just didn't have any answers
for Seattle. And it's you know, once you lose, you
get down, you get down seven to nothing, and then
the defensive touchdown, and then you give up twenty one
to nothing by the end of the first quarter. There's
(34:57):
almost never any coming back from the and so the
fact that the Cardinals kind of got a little bit
involved was good to see. But also, as noted by
the fact that they only had they didn't get a
sack in the second half, and they didn't they only
hit Jacoby twice, is evidence that they they the Seahawks
(35:21):
changed what they were doing defensively. They just started doing
the the coasting defensively, and so yeah, they're like, they
didn't do well against the pass the limited amount of times,
they didn't do well against the run. They didn't rush,
they didn't create pressure. There was there was almost nothing
(35:41):
redeemable about this game in general, other than other than defensively,
other than you get another sack for Josh Sweat. Really,
you know, he's got eight sacks. It looks like he's
hopefully he's gonna he's gonna end up with double digit
and that that addition's going to look good. Khalias Campbell's
playing okay, but yeah, there's nothing, nothing, anything else to.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Add No, I mean, let's just hope that especially for
the young guys, you know, it's it's not too much
of a of a loss because you don't, you know,
those guys both need to be on the field and
playing conal.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Next on the RESI of seret podcast, Best Our Cardinals
Talking the Web, us talk about the coaching situation. Is
Jonathan Gannon coaching for his job? That's coming to next
In recips, he read we're back on the right of
Secret podcast, Best Our Cardinals Talk on the Web. We're
back talking about where the Cardinals are. It felt like
things that the five game losing street. We're starting to
(36:43):
think is Gannon gonna be gone? Is he the right
coach for this staff? Is he going? Is he a
good coach? And after a loss like that, we're left
to wonder, especially as he seems to say, oh, I
didn't do a good enough job. I didn't I didn't
prepare them well enough. He keeps falling on the sword
have we reached the point where he he's on the
(37:08):
hot seat or or he's coaching for his job, you know,
like Mike McDaniel sort of is or or or do
you think his spot is still pretty secure?
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I think he's fine this year. Like I would be
shocked to see anything change this year. You know, I
think that they've they've been able to have the media
on their side about the ills of this team, and
(37:40):
that you know that they were able to get the
right guy in there, you know, while while Kyler gets
healthy and so that's I mean, that's where I'm at
with this now. That doesn't mean that it won't happen
two three more games like that. I mean, you think
about it, just some of the games they have left,
(38:03):
we could see another one of those, right, you could see.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
That both games against the Rams Tampa Tampa. Now Joe
Burrow got is big beginning to practice, so he's lining
up to be able to play against the Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
And that division's a dumpster fire that you know, that
Cincinnati game week seventeen, December twenty eighth in Cincinnati could
mean something for Cincinnati. So to your point, like, yeah,
Burrow plays like those are all things that you look
at and you go, hopefully by the n Trey Benson's
(38:41):
back right, and the running game starts to to peak
its head out again, and you see a little more
from the running Game. But you know, you and I
and we were talking about in the group the group
text today, if they win three more games and they
(39:03):
get to six and eleven, and they can kind of
pass the buck on the early season stuff like, oh,
you know, we had that five game losing streak and
our quarterback are hurt, but he wasn't the guy. You know,
we needed to move on from him anyways, And so
we got the right guy in there at the back
half of the season, and you saw the improvements, and
you you know, you go six and six and eleven,
(39:29):
you might be able to spin that and sell it. Right.
If you go four and thirteen and you have two,
maybe three more games like that like yesterday, you're gonna
have to do a whole lot of smoothing out on
why Jonathan Gannon deserves to come back. The other issue
(39:51):
is this just and you and I have been talking
about this a little bit. I know he's got two
years left on the deal.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
But but it's one year plus a plus an option,
so it doesn't have to necessarily be a blame duck
coach next year.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
But it's also very lame duck to only have one
year left, like one additional year right on your contract,
Like that's just not something you see happen with coaches
and then then get to make drastic decisions like drafting
a quarterback or you know, things of that nature. So
(40:32):
that begets the question of early in August, right, Mike
Jureki sent out some wild innocuous tweet of like, we'll
be we'll be the starter next year, and that was
after one of the preseason games of Jacoby and you
and I were like what, but like, is that really
(40:54):
the plan, Jess? And if it is, if it was
the plan coming into this year, so that meant that
they knew that they were going away from Kyler from
the beginning, right like they knew it. And if that's
the plan, is it better that Jacoby's playing or worse?
(41:18):
Because one in three and you know, some nice statistics
but not a whole lot on the field. The show
for it is that, I mean, are is that what
we're going to sell going into next year? Because it
feels like if you if you go into year four
(41:40):
of Jonathan Inn and with Jacoby were set. It basically
feels like you're waving the white flag before the season
even starts, right, did.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
It feel too much? It would it feels too much
like the nineties? Right, Let's talk like this is the
this is the Ja Schraider, Steve Berline, Chris Chandler, Dave Craig,
P Graham Right, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, I mean that's when I was in the stadium
every week. I mean I was in the stadium in
ninety three. Who is nice? Yeah, Steve Berline, like you said, right,
ninety four they go eight and eight under Buddy Ryan
and and it was Berline and like you said, Jay Schroeder, right,
and and that's I mean, that got people hype for
(42:32):
some reason. Then you have Dave, the Dave Craig year
with Stony Case. Remember Stony Case.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Oh my gosh, I remember all the names, and I
am sad that I do.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
And and then you had ninety seven and you know
that was the that was the They had Jake Plummer
and everybody say this and they yeah, well and they
remember that cheered when Kent Graham went down. And so
like you look at those things and you just go,
(43:07):
you go, is this like you said, is that where
I mean? That's what coming in with Jacoby feels like
right like? And that's not a shot at Jacoby. That's
just who he's been throughout his career. Like he's a journeyman.
He's a journeyman and that's okay.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Let you not remember that that he was signed to
Washington to compete with Sam Howe and couldn't beat out
Sam Howell. And then he was signed by New England
to bridge the gap to Drake May, and Drake May
played several weeks earlier then people wanted him to because
(43:44):
Jacoby wasn't good. And I'll say the Jacoby's been fine
this year.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
He's been fantastic and what what a backup quarterback? Shoot?
Speaker 3 (43:53):
He's not making a difference with wins and losses and
he won't sadly, maybe this week is maybe this week
because San Francisco is they have nobody on defense. But
we'll ever talk about that later this week, like they
maybe they might maybe upset the forty nine ers this week,
(44:15):
But that I think that's about all I give them.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
But by the way, can we just mention on that
before you know because the line opened at Cardinals plus three.
What kind of wild disrespect is it that a home game,
your three point dogs against a team that was blown
(44:39):
out equally to you the week before, and that you
you are incredibly banged up, even more so than than
the Cardinals, and and statistically until yesterday you were virtually
(45:01):
the same team, right, So yeah, it's it's kind of
wild that their their road favorites. But it also really
makes sense, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
And I'm like, why why would you favor the Cardinals
in any game? But yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fun.
I actually I don't. I don't think it's gonna be fun.
I don't think it's gonna be fun to watch this
team the rest of the year. Like this team, remember
that where this team was supposed to be, and they
(45:36):
went from being just a dumpster fire in twenty twenty two,
Gannon led them to be. They were a good bad team.
They were a good bad team. They won four games,
but they were competitive last year. They were perfectly mid,
perfectly mid. But then you know, they just needed a
couple of things they needed. Their defense was bad, the
offense was good. They needed to show up the defense
and then they could compete this year, and what's happened. Ugh, oh,
(46:00):
oh my gosh. The offense looked terrible. The defense held
itself up, but ultimately has been bad too, And so
we're left to there's not anything consolation prizes at this point,
like because yeah, so all the vibes are gone except
people still like the Jacoby precent vibes, So there's that
(46:20):
at least some people are happy.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, right, I.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Guess it's you know, it's it's less frustrating to lose
with Jacoby than it is with Kyler. Maybe maybe that's
it that if you're gonna lose anyway, you might as
well do it with a with a likable journeyman as
opposed to your unlikable star. Yeah right, But well that'll
that'll wrap this this initiate of the Rise of Seriit
podcast of the best hour Cardinals talk in the Web.
(46:45):
That will wrap this up.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Well.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
We will be back again later this week to preview
Cardinals forty nine ers, and I will try and nail
down a guest for the rest of the week, whether
that's Kyle Kyle Madson or whether that is Kyle Posey,
one of the Kyles, one of the Kyles will be
on that, says Cox. I'm jes Rue. Thanks for listening
as all as We'll be back again, Sue.
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what a laughable game set forty four to twenty. And
it wasn't even that close because they were down thirty
five to nothing with it was halfway through the second
quarter and they were down by five fricking touchdowns. And
the only reason it even got reasonably close is because
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the Seahawks, who are turnover prone, turned the ball over
three different times.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You know, it was one of those games where it
started bad and then just got laughably worse, and then
you were just kind of like who cares. And I
did see a lot of people like, hey, they had
some fight, you know, look at what they did, you
know to make it respectable. At the end, I was like,
I can tell where we're at in the fandom cycle
right now of like moral victories, you know, because we're
(01:49):
just looking for things to try. And you know, because
again it was it was, hey, everything's going to be
better now, right like they they made the move at quarterback.
Things were going to be better. There's no way it
was going to be bad. And then it was the
worst performance probably in what two to three years.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Oh my god, we've seen. It reminded me of the
well I mean overall, like because it fell behind, but
it was it was the same type of game as
the Washington and Green Bay games last year.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah. Yeah, so, and so that's the thing is, you
know people look at it and go, you know, they're
creating narratives to try to like again justify everything, and
it's like, no, let's just you know, call the space bade.
It was a terrible game. The team was ill prepared.
The guy that was you know, supposed to be the
(02:47):
cure all for the offense, you know well, and the
things that just and I have been kind of like
railing on like we did early in the season with
the defense, especially in the fourth quarter. You know, the
you tweeted about it a couple of times, you and
(03:10):
and you know your site and and your co worker
at your site wrote about it like it's an unsustainable
way of playing and and it all kind of came
crashing down in this game, and you know, it's it's
one of those situations where you look at it and
(03:31):
you go, this was not I think the the speed
in which it happened was unexpected, but this was not
an unexpected game in any way, shape or form, because
there were a lot of flaws, you know, with with
(03:51):
what was happening, even when you know it was supposed
to be good. And and again, you know, I talked
yesterday about this. People people want to look at this
and go, oh, well, you know, you're just hating or like,
are you know, why are you blaming Persett? I'm like,
(04:11):
I've never once blamed Jacoby Brissette. I actually don't think
it's the quarterback's fault at all. That that's kind of
been our stance the whole time, right, like, and and
so you look at it, and this week you just
you just saw the flaws of the team overall. You
(04:32):
saw a team that was that is, you know, poorly constructed,
that doesn't really have depth, which is something we've talked about, right, Like,
they can't afford the injuries that they've been having because
it's you know, while it is year three of a rebuild.
They they basically started from scratch and had no talent.
(04:56):
And so when they got the talent, and and it
basically made it where they that talent was starting and
and now you you know, now the next piece of
that is depth, and and.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
They built the depth only to have all of their
talent get hurt right exactly, He's gone.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And so that's the you know, that was the thing.
And I think there was some I think Johnny Venerable
talked about it yesterday. There were some decisions that were
made leaving players in in a blowout that were interesting
and hopefully not costly, right, And all of that leads
to a lot of questions about the state of the
(05:45):
team and the franchise.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Let's let's start to see if there was anything worth salvaging,
any positives in this game, and I can I can
point to I think the one great positive is that
and he's just been consistent in SA try McBride continues
to do what he's done for the last two seasons,
(06:11):
and that is just produce produced, produce nine catches for
one hundred and twenty seven yards and another touchdown. He's
now got six touchdowns on the season, which you know,
remember remember how we all worried about whether he would
be be able to move into the next stratosphere of
tight ends and that was always going to hinge on
(06:33):
him get finding the end zone. We I always felt
that last year was just anomalist, that there is no
way as someone who has the volume of receptions that
he does would only have two touchdowns. And that's what
we're seeing this year. He's got six touchdown catches already.
That's you know, pacing for double digits, which would put
him you know, he's gonna pace. He's pacing for a
(06:54):
thousand yards, hundred catches and double digit touchdowns and you're
going to start talk talking about him in the same
breath as you do like George Kittle and Travis Kelcey,
and as they get older, he's going to carry the
torch with Rock Bauers and Sam Laporta for those just
elite tight ends. And he keeps doing it, and so
(07:18):
that was good. He's healthy, he was productive, and then
I liked. I liked that Amaro de Mercado has really
kind of bounced back from his blunder in week five
and he continues to show how what just a kind
of nice little, you know, depth piece that you have
(07:39):
because he does the whole third down things. He's really
good at picking up past blitz pick up, and then
on top of that, he is explosive when he gets
into open space. You know, the rushing numbers that the
Cardinals had at one hundred and twenty nine of the
game look way better because Demarcatta ripped off a fifty
(08:00):
five yard and that was after he also had so
he had he had over one hundred yards from scrimmage
and eighty nine of them came on two plays. He
had the fifty five yard run and he had a
thirty four yard catch, and he just continues to be
aside from the being the villain in week five, he
(08:20):
is a really nice piece on the team who just
aside from the one game well aside from two when
the drop against San Francisco and the fumble. You know,
I'll argue with anyone to this who wants to even
though he was called to have a fum, I still
(08:41):
he crossed the plane before he let that ball go,
and that was overturned on principle rather than actual video
evidence because his ball, that ball is still in his
hand and he crosses the goal line. But I'll argue,
I will talk to I'm blue in the face about that. Now.
(09:02):
Should he have come that close to do it? No,
that's different, since that's why it was overturned off principle
to embarrass the Cardinals. I think I swear it was.
But outside of that, I don't know if there was
anything else positive other than the individual play of a
Marti Mercado and Trey mcbriden. Maybe you could look at
Jacoby Brissette's stat line and think that he was a positive,
(09:25):
but it was fifty percent of his passes. You know,
he didn't he didn't have an interception, and so look
at the passing numbers. It's two hundred and fifty eight
yards and two touchdowns. You're like, oh, it's a pretty
nice game, except for then you look deeper in there
and you see what happened with the two strip sacks
and defensive touchdowns. But did you find anything else positive
(09:46):
or even palatable in that game?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I mean, I think you mentioned, you know McBride, that's
always he's in a highlight this year, and that continued
in this one. And then I mean, I think you
have to look at the fact that this game specifically,
(10:13):
you know, there was not a whole lot of good things.
But Paris Johnson continues to be teetering on a top
five left tackle in the NFL already, which is which
is fun, right, Like, that's a that's a solid thing.
After that, man, you know, I was thinking about this too, Jess,
(10:36):
because you know, when you get down twenty eight to
zero in the first quarter, right, and but two of
the scores are on when when the offense is on
the field, you go, okay, well, like is it that bad?
Like right like? And then you know, you look at
(10:57):
it and you you just you go, yeah, it was
that bad.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Like it was that bad.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The craziest stat to me at one point was that
at one point in the game, the Seahawks had ran
i think thirty three plays and they were up thirty
five to zero, and I was just like, oh my god,
(11:26):
I'm like, that's just such an absurd stat. Like they've
scored more points than they have plays they've run, Like
that's just such offensive plays they've run. Like that's just
such an absurd stat and kind of like makes you go, Yeah,
there's really very little, if anything positive to write home
about yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Coming an next one rosives here at podcast best Archarger's
talking thet way. Let's talk about youa Cooby Brissette. His
play the offense obviously won't be good because we already
talked about that. That's coming to next on riseis he
read back on the Rise of Seriad podcast. But Star
Cardinals talk on the way of talking about the Cardinals
forty four to twenty two loss to the Seattle Seahawks
in Seattle in Week ten, a game that they were
(12:09):
the doors blasted out and then they sort of coasted away. Now,
Brissett didn't look terrible. But at the same time, and
I'm gonna ask you this, did Brissett look any different,
like aside from the aside from getting hit. You know,
(12:31):
he got hit, but aside from the defensive touches, touchdowns,
did we see anything different from Brissett against Seattle than
we saw in any of the other three games that
he started, because to me, it didn't look like he's
been identical in every game.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, I mean there were a couple of things, right, So,
like the first thing that I looked at and this
week that you know, kind of told a story or
told you know, the story of what we saw was
you know, he was not good in terms of pushing
(13:13):
the ball vertical. And again that's something that we've you know,
that that has been the the rallying cry of why
he's a better fit for this offense than than Kyler Murray.
And I don't think that that's inaccurate, uh in that sense, right, Like,
(13:36):
you know, his his strength is you know, holding onto
the ball, hanging in the pocket and delivering down the field.
But you and I have, like you know, and we've
we've Beatissed to death already. The way that it was going,
(14:03):
it was just such an untenable situation, and like I
said yesterday, it kind of came to a head. You
had you know, he ended up going five for eighteen
on ten plus yard or sorry, six for eighteen on
ten plus yard throws. And so you might go, oh,
(14:28):
that's you know, that's not terrible, right, But again, before that,
the rest of the season, he'd been much better. His
his completion percentage yesterday was miserable. His yards per attempt,
(14:52):
you know, was at the lowest it's been on the season.
And so it became a situation where he's just not
and again not Jacoby's fault, but like they were just
not able to utilize his strength at all because of
(15:17):
the unrelenting pressure. And now, what the game plan is
going to be moving forward? Right, Like the game plan
is just go get Jacoby, like, don't don't worry about
anything else. Like what was it?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
It was Byron Murphy the second the second year defensive
tackle referred to uh referred to Presett as a statue.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, oh no.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
He said he was a sitting duck, like fitting duck.
That's it. He was a sitting duck. Com Like, oh
my gosh, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And and so that's just the reality is, like you
look at you look at these things, you look at
how they unfold, and you just understand that this was
(16:14):
a situation where the offense and the way that you
attacked the offense was so different from the way that
you attacked Kyler Murray that it took until you know,
start number four to really dial in the best way
(16:35):
to attack him. And we talked about it after the
the Cowboys game, right, Jess, I mean I thought, I
thought you and I as always have done a great
job of being kind of the first to under like
(16:55):
to see things and the.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
First to admit to them or sick. Yeah, yeah, I understood.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think that's the best way to put it. Yeah,
to admit to things like everybody. How you know, they
beat beat the Cowboys a great win, and you're like,
I mean, it was a good win, let's but it
was also the same the same type.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Of Cowboys mismanaged it and mismanaged the game. They were
the bad defense, and it was kind of all everything
coming to a head for both teams. So but yeah,
and it was good, but it's not like because it
Cardinals really didn't play any different than they had the
past weeks.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Right, And so then you get this game and and
you look back and and you mentioned it like the
last three games are kind of mirror images of each other, Right,
three hundred and thirty yards against the Packers, three hundred
and forty yards against the Cowboys, three hundred and thirty
five yards against the the Seahawks. You know, twenty twenty
(18:05):
three points against the Packers, twenty seven points against the Cowboys,
twenty two points against the Seahawks, two hundred and thirty
six passing yards two hundred and twenty one, two hundred
and six. Like it's basically, you know, just deja vu, right,
(18:26):
and so and so people look at it and they go, yeah,
he's you know, he played fine, and you're like, he, well,
he played fine in the sense of that he stayed
in there and kept throwing and he kept going. But
the reality was is that at some point you have
(18:50):
to We've talked about this, right, like you have to
protect players from themselves too.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And well, the numbers are bad, Like we talked about
it before the game, and we detailed it. Thirteen sacks,
thirty five quarterback hits in the three games he'd started.
That continued, that continued, He took he was sacked five times,
(19:17):
was hit another ten. But the all five sacks and
eight of the ten hits came in the first half. Obviously,
we know that two of the sacks resulted in fumbles.
That that DeMarcus Lawrence took for touchdowns. You know, so
the raw numbers are in four stars. Jacoby Versset has
been sacked eighteen times and hit forty five times. That again,
(19:43):
it's unsustained. You cannot sustain any success when that is happening.
And his his sack rate, his sack rate right now,
got to pull that up because it was does he.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh, it's over ten percent, it's at ten point three
four percent.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, it's and and it's the highest it's been in
his career. And that is that's including the fifty two
sacks he took in twenty seventeen when he started fifteen
games for the Colts, he was sacked the league high
fifty four times. Yeah, you know, if we're going so
they're a he's averaging getting sacked more than four times
(20:23):
a game. And if he's going to get sacked at
that rate over the next nine games eight games, nine games,
eight games, eight games, so another eight games he gets
sacked four times, that's thirty two plus the eighteen he
(20:44):
will have been sacked fifty times in half a season.
Fifty times in half a season. That that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Well, and what's what's crazy er? Jess This is what's
even crazier is when you factor in sacks and yardage,
he actually averages less yards per game than Kyler because
you know, they take sacks out of your passing yards
blah blah blah, Like they don't take him out of
(21:12):
the cumulative yards, but they take him out of your
you know. So he's averaging one hundred and eighty six
point three, so Kyler's one ninety two point four. And
so you're just like again, like I just I don't know, man,
Like I have no problem with Jakobe. I don't and
and I think he's done a hell of a job
(21:33):
as a backup in a tough situation. But I don't
think a completion percentage of sub sixty one percent is
is something that you want. I mean, think about this again,
Jess in four games, four games, he's thrown one hundred
and fifty five passes. Kyler, in a full extra game
(21:54):
has thrown one hundred and sixty one passes. Like that's
the that's absurd that they're They basically were like, yeah, well,
you know, and and it would be different if for
most of those games, you know, they had James Connor
and Trey Benson but even in the Tennessee game, right,
(22:22):
they Kyler threw the ball thirty one times, and so
it's just it's wild to see how how it's playing out,
you know, And I saw yesterday like people are like
hyping up Marvin Harrison Junior got you know, thirteen targets.
(22:49):
I'm like, wait, are thirteen targets?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, thirteen if you include the two point conversion.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Right, right, so thirteen targets in the game, And I'm like, wait,
are thirteen targets, but like six catchable targets really that important?
Like that's like I'm not trying to be rude, but like,
what what are we doing here? Like why would it
matter if you had thirteen targets but literally only six
of them were catchable? I just that's you know, and
(23:20):
there's little things that like you know that you look
at the success rate per play, right, Like it it's
interesting that Kyler's having more success than Jakobe. But that's
(23:41):
not to say that it's an indicator of anything. It's
just it's interesting that that's not the narrative, right, Like
the narrative is that it's the offense is just you know, humming,
and it's like okay. I mean, and again you look
at it, it was it was fun in the beginning,
(24:03):
three hundred and twelve passing yards and then week two,
two thirty six, Week three, two twenty one, Week four,
two oh six, like like, those numbers go down each week.
And I know that Jacobe's thrown for more yards. Don't
get me wrong, I understand how it works. But the
(24:23):
passing yardage includes the number of sack yardage, and and
those sack numbers are so insanely high at this point.
You just went over at four and a half sacks
per game. That's that's not a sustainable thing. And and
you and I talked about that, like it's just it's
(24:47):
crazy to think that looking at that and going, oh,
that's okay. That that fans are like, oh yeah, it's
not a big deal. And you're like wait, what, like
why why? I mean you mentioned it and your numbers
are slightly off. He's on pace for fifty four sacks
because it's four and a half sacks per game.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Oh my gosh, he's on pace to have he's on
pace for a half a season have the most sacks
he's had. And that's when he led the NFL in
getting sacked when he played a full season. God, right,
come on.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And so you know, you look at it, it's just
it's just one of those things. And and it's interesting
how it all just it all, all the all the
goodwill can get carried over, right, Like you know, again,
Marvin Harrison doesn't really do a whole lot yesterday, right,
(25:44):
three catches for thirty three yards on you know, technically
four for thirty five if you include like you said,
the extra point, but three three catches on twelve targets,
like a twenty five percent catch rate. That's his lowest
of the season. It was the second lowest amount of
yards or sorry, the third lowest amount of yards he's
(26:07):
had this season. His two lowest yard is or two
of his three lowest yards games were with.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Jacoby, right that we talked with the Marv looks better
with Jacobe. In four games, there's two catches, two catches,
three catches, and the only game he was good was
was Dallas.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Right, And so you know, you look at that, it's
it's just I don't know, it's it goes back to efficiency, right,
Like are you a fan of bulk numbers? Bulk stats?
Like old school football stuff? Are you more of a
(26:47):
fan of like the efficiency of the game and how
things are playing out and right now, the reality is
that it's obvious that fans prefer the bulk numbers. And
I saw a meme the other day. It was funny,
you know, it said it said something to the effect of,
(27:13):
you know, Kyler Murray playing quarterback, and it's the like
scared and sad meme. And then on the other side,
it's looking out the window and it's like losing what
Jacoby were said at quarterback and it's like happy smiling,
and you're just like it's like I can respect that,
like I do, Like I respect if you're like, oh yeah,
I don't care if they win or lose. As long
(27:34):
as Kyler's not playing, I don't care. And I've had
people straight up tell me that, like, oh I don't care.
I just don't like watching Kyler play, so I'd rather
I don't. I don't care, And it's like that's a
weird thing, but at least, you know, at least it's honest, right, like, like,
oh yeah, I don't care if they win or lose
as long as you know it, as long as it's
not Tyler is playing. You're like, okay, I respect, I
(27:56):
do respect that I do.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
There you go cover to next cent of the Rise
of Seriit podcast Best Our Cardinals talking one. Let's move
on to talk about the defense. What did we learn
from that? That's coming to next us. He read, we're
back on the rise of here podcast The best are
Cardinals talk on the web talking about the defense, and
my goodness, the defense was bad. I mean, we recall
(28:23):
that they did a good job against Jackson Smith and
Jigba for one half of play in Week four, as
he had no catches and no receiving yards. But in
the second half he caught four passes for seventy nine yards,
had two critical receptions, one that set up the game
winning field goal. Then he comes out out and you know,
(28:44):
catches four passes for eighty yards and a touchdown almost
immediately in the first quarter, and like the first two
in the first two possessions, he didn't reach one hundred
yards for the game, but but he had that touchdown
that basically that that kicked things off. And so the
(29:07):
past defense wasn't good. And you could say, well they
only gave up one hundred and whatever passing yards, Well
that's because Sam Darnold only had to throw the ball
twelve times the entire game. They got absolutely gashed by
the run game. And here's the biggest, you know, indictment
(29:28):
on that is that it didn't matter who it was,
whether it was Ken walker' z Ax Charbonay or George Hallani.
Charbonnay had not been good this year. He was a
goal he's a he's kind of a fantasy guy because
he likes to go in and and howk in those
steal those touchdowns at the goal line. But he was
(29:49):
averaging under three yards of carry and there was one
point where he ripped off thirty thirteen to nine and
nine yards. He finished with eighty three yards on fourteen carries,
averaging just shy of six yards of carry. Ken Walker
average four point eight, George Holani averaged four point four.
Rashid Shaheed averaged ten on his carries. It was just
(30:11):
bonkers that, you know, this run defense offered nothing. And
I mean the Cardinals didn't have to like the Seahawks
didn't have to do much. Sam Donald didn't do anything.
Like half of his passes, half of his completions went
to Sam Donald. He had the monster the catch and run.
The seventy four yards. The sixty seven yards came on
(30:35):
one play to Cooper Cup and then he had, you know,
a couple of dump offfs. Elijah Royo with a five
yard catch, Can Walker with a three yard catch, Rashid
Shaheed with a three yard catch. It's like this, there
was so much yuck. And yeah, they got turnovers. They
took the ball away three times, the two on the fumbles.
But and you know, Josh Sweat got himself another sack.
(30:58):
He's up to eight on the season. But you can't
really look at the individual play of anyone and feel
real good about it. Garrett Williams got toasted. You know,
Cody Simon, by the way, great.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Is that not kind of what I said that he
Garrett did not look right in that game against against
the Cowboys. And then he comes out and he just
he just doesn't look healthy. Like it's not that he's
playing poorly. It just doesn't look like he has his
(31:31):
legs back. But it might just be a case where
they they just don't have a choice because they're so shorthanded.
It's like it's like, uh, hey, we got to you
gotta play through it, like we know what's going on.
It is what it is, like we're not you know,
but like, I mean, yeah, he was. He was bad
yesterday and then and then you can feel bad for
(31:53):
guys like Denzel Burke who had been playing well in
spot duty and in small roles right and had had
a great game against Dallas, played well in minimal snaps
against Tennessee, had a decent game against Carolina, and then
you look at last last or yesterday, I mean, he
(32:15):
was abysmal, abysmal, and you're like, how are you abysmol
on fifteen coverage plays? But that was just the reality, right,
Like it wasn't It's not on Denzel Burke. It's like
why are we putting these kids in those situations? And
(32:40):
and you genuinely just feel bad for Burke, right because
he played his ass off the week before, he had
like I said, he had a great game, and then
he comes back and has his worst game as a
pro against it, you know, in terms of just I
don't know, like it's it that's a wild thing to me.
(33:00):
And and again it's wild how bad the secondary grades
were when they threw the ball twelve times, just like.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Both times, Oh my gosh, how is that even possible, no,
and and to make things worse, Darius Robinson got hurt,
Walter Nolan got hurt, okay, and so it's it's just
it's just it's piling on, like they're losing their their
(33:32):
death is getting tested, and then their depth is getting hurt,
and it's we're almost to the point where we're like, well,
let's pack it in. If this feel, this feels like
it's going in the way of twenty twenty two and
then somebody that you know, like in twenty twenty two
when Kyler towards Aco, is like, that's the only the
(33:53):
only thing that you couldn't have happened ended up happening
and and then set them like that. But yeah, if
it's really it kind of feels like things are unraveling
and that the Dallas game was just a small reprieve basically.
But we kind of knew, like we kind of knew this,
especially them being banged up. We expected this game to
(34:14):
be kind of the the regression game for everyone involved.
They only had one hit on on Darnold, grantedy barely.
You know, they did have a handful of tackles for loss,
but there just wasn't the defense wasn't good. They were
clearly missing mac Wilson, Max Milton, mac Wilson, Max Milton,
(34:37):
and Will Johnson, and they just didn't have any answers
for Seattle. And it's you know, once you lose, you
get down, you get down seven to nothing, and then
the defensive touchdown, and then you give up twenty one
to nothing by the end of the first quarter. There's
(34:57):
almost never any coming back from the and so the
fact that the Cardinals kind of got a little bit
involved was good to see. But also, as noted by
the fact that they only had they didn't get a
sack in the second half, and they didn't they only
hit Jacoby twice, is evidence that they they the Seahawks
(35:21):
changed what they were doing defensively. They just started doing
the the coasting defensively, and so yeah, they're like, they
didn't do well against the pass the limited amount of times,
they didn't do well against the run. They didn't rush,
they didn't create pressure. There was there was almost nothing
(35:41):
redeemable about this game in general, other than other than defensively,
other than you get another sack for Josh Sweat. Really,
you know, he's got eight sacks. It looks like he's
hopefully he's gonna he's gonna end up with double digit
and that that addition's going to look good. Khalias Campbell's
playing okay, but yeah, there's nothing, nothing, anything else to.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Add No, I mean, let's just hope that especially for
the young guys, you know, it's it's not too much
of a of a loss because you don't, you know,
those guys both need to be on the field and
playing conal.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Next on the RESI of seret podcast, Best Our Cardinals
Talking the Web, us talk about the coaching situation. Is
Jonathan Gannon coaching for his job? That's coming to next
In recips, he read we're back on the right of
Secret podcast, Best Our Cardinals Talk on the Web. We're
back talking about where the Cardinals are. It felt like
things that the five game losing street. We're starting to
(36:43):
think is Gannon gonna be gone? Is he the right
coach for this staff? Is he going? Is he a
good coach? And after a loss like that, we're left
to wonder, especially as he seems to say, oh, I
didn't do a good enough job. I didn't I didn't
prepare them well enough. He keeps falling on the sword
have we reached the point where he he's on the
(37:08):
hot seat or or he's coaching for his job, you know,
like Mike McDaniel sort of is or or or do
you think his spot is still pretty secure?
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I think he's fine this year. Like I would be
shocked to see anything change this year. You know, I
think that they've they've been able to have the media
on their side about the ills of this team, and
(37:40):
that you know that they were able to get the
right guy in there, you know, while while Kyler gets
healthy and so that's I mean, that's where I'm at
with this now. That doesn't mean that it won't happen
two three more games like that. I mean, you think
about it, just some of the games they have left,
(38:03):
we could see another one of those, right, you could see.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
That both games against the Rams Tampa Tampa. Now Joe
Burrow got is big beginning to practice, so he's lining
up to be able to play against the Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
And that division's a dumpster fire that you know, that
Cincinnati game week seventeen, December twenty eighth in Cincinnati could
mean something for Cincinnati. So to your point, like, yeah,
Burrow plays like those are all things that you look
at and you go, hopefully by the n Trey Benson's
(38:41):
back right, and the running game starts to to peak
its head out again, and you see a little more
from the running Game. But you know, you and I
and we were talking about in the group the group
text today, if they win three more games and they
(39:03):
get to six and eleven, and they can kind of
pass the buck on the early season stuff like, oh,
you know, we had that five game losing streak and
our quarterback are hurt, but he wasn't the guy. You know,
we needed to move on from him anyways, And so
we got the right guy in there at the back
half of the season, and you saw the improvements, and
you you know, you go six and six and eleven,
(39:29):
you might be able to spin that and sell it. Right.
If you go four and thirteen and you have two,
maybe three more games like that like yesterday, you're gonna
have to do a whole lot of smoothing out on
why Jonathan Gannon deserves to come back. The other issue
(39:51):
is this just and you and I have been talking
about this a little bit. I know he's got two
years left on the deal.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
But but it's one year plus a plus an option,
so it doesn't have to necessarily be a blame duck
coach next year.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
But it's also very lame duck to only have one
year left, like one additional year right on your contract,
Like that's just not something you see happen with coaches
and then then get to make drastic decisions like drafting
a quarterback or you know, things of that nature. So
(40:32):
that begets the question of early in August, right, Mike
Jureki sent out some wild innocuous tweet of like, we'll
be we'll be the starter next year, and that was
after one of the preseason games of Jacoby and you
and I were like what, but like, is that really
(40:54):
the plan, Jess? And if it is, if it was
the plan coming into this year, so that meant that
they knew that they were going away from Kyler from
the beginning, right like they knew it. And if that's
the plan, is it better that Jacoby's playing or worse?
(41:18):
Because one in three and you know, some nice statistics
but not a whole lot on the field. The show
for it is that, I mean, are is that what
we're going to sell going into next year? Because it
feels like if you if you go into year four
(41:40):
of Jonathan Inn and with Jacoby were set. It basically
feels like you're waving the white flag before the season
even starts, right, did.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
It feel too much? It would it feels too much
like the nineties? Right, Let's talk like this is the
this is the Ja Schraider, Steve Berline, Chris Chandler, Dave Craig,
P Graham Right, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, I mean that's when I was in the stadium
every week. I mean I was in the stadium in
ninety three. Who is nice? Yeah, Steve Berline, like you said, right,
ninety four they go eight and eight under Buddy Ryan
and and it was Berline and like you said, Jay Schroeder, right,
and and that's I mean, that got people hype for
(42:32):
some reason. Then you have Dave, the Dave Craig year
with Stony Case. Remember Stony Case.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Oh my gosh, I remember all the names, and I
am sad that I do.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
And and then you had ninety seven and you know
that was the that was the They had Jake Plummer
and everybody say this and they yeah, well and they
remember that cheered when Kent Graham went down. And so
like you look at those things and you just go,
(43:07):
you go, is this like you said, is that where
I mean? That's what coming in with Jacoby feels like
right like? And that's not a shot at Jacoby. That's
just who he's been throughout his career. Like he's a journeyman.
He's a journeyman and that's okay.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Let you not remember that that he was signed to
Washington to compete with Sam Howe and couldn't beat out
Sam Howell. And then he was signed by New England
to bridge the gap to Drake May, and Drake May
played several weeks earlier then people wanted him to because
(43:44):
Jacoby wasn't good. And I'll say the Jacoby's been fine
this year.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
He's been fantastic and what what a backup quarterback? Shoot?
Speaker 3 (43:53):
He's not making a difference with wins and losses and
he won't sadly, maybe this week is maybe this week
because San Francisco is they have nobody on defense. But
we'll ever talk about that later this week, like they
maybe they might maybe upset the forty nine ers this week,
(44:15):
But that I think that's about all I give them.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
But by the way, can we just mention on that
before you know because the line opened at Cardinals plus three.
What kind of wild disrespect is it that a home game,
your three point dogs against a team that was blown
(44:39):
out equally to you the week before, and that you
you are incredibly banged up, even more so than than
the Cardinals, and and statistically until yesterday you were virtually
(45:01):
the same team, right, So yeah, it's it's kind of
wild that their their road favorites. But it also really
makes sense, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
And I'm like, why why would you favor the Cardinals
in any game? But yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fun.
I actually I don't. I don't think it's gonna be fun.
I don't think it's gonna be fun to watch this
team the rest of the year. Like this team, remember
that where this team was supposed to be, and they
(45:36):
went from being just a dumpster fire in twenty twenty two,
Gannon led them to be. They were a good bad team.
They were a good bad team. They won four games,
but they were competitive last year. They were perfectly mid,
perfectly mid. But then you know, they just needed a
couple of things they needed. Their defense was bad, the
offense was good. They needed to show up the defense
and then they could compete this year, and what's happened. Ugh, oh,
(46:00):
oh my gosh. The offense looked terrible. The defense held
itself up, but ultimately has been bad too, And so
we're left to there's not anything consolation prizes at this point,
like because yeah, so all the vibes are gone except
people still like the Jacoby precent vibes, So there's that
(46:20):
at least some people are happy.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, right, I.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Guess it's you know, it's it's less frustrating to lose
with Jacoby than it is with Kyler. Maybe maybe that's
it that if you're gonna lose anyway, you might as
well do it with a with a likable journeyman as
opposed to your unlikable star. Yeah right, But well that'll
that'll wrap this this initiate of the Rise of Seriit
podcast of the best hour Cardinals talk in the Web.
(46:45):
That will wrap this up.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Well.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
We will be back again later this week to preview
Cardinals forty nine ers, and I will try and nail
down a guest for the rest of the week, whether
that's Kyle Kyle Madson or whether that is Kyle Posey,
one of the Kyles, one of the Kyles will be
on that, says Cox. I'm jes Rue. Thanks for listening
as all as We'll be back again, Sue.
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