Discussing Post Surgery Rehab + Return to Throwing Program with Harmless

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Oh hey there, it's Robbie Row. The Robbie Row Show Baseball Podcast,
Season nine, Episode two. Isat down with Chris Harms aka Harmless Content
to unpack his entire post surgery returnto throw. You're you're a ten,
You're a boy leader. Now listento him too, Claire a mechanizer,

(00:23):
Robbie Roach, Robbie Road. Okay, so yeah, like I said,
I'm gonna sit down with Chris Harmsaka Harmless Content, my guy, to
unpack his entire post surgery. Hegot the brace and repair. I'm not
the full reconstructive owner collateral ligament surgeryaka Tommy John. But it's a really

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cool episode. We actually just recordedit to test out a makeshift studio setup
that we have back at the traininglab, so it's a lot of funny
kind of messing around. And thenI was honestly like halfway through with the
episode, we were just sitting theretalking before we got to training and just
testing out this setup, and nextthing you know, I'm like, freck,

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this is a good episode, AndI think a lot of people can
benefit from stuff like this, becauseI do get a lot of questions pertaining
to return to throwing after an injuryafter a surgery. I have a lot
of experience in that field, beingsomebody that has had to go through those
types of experiences, you know.During in season twenty fifteen, Sorry,

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that's a lie. Twenty sixteen,I had a microscopic surgery on my elbow
to remove bone spurs. Twenty eighteen, I had a full latisimus dorsi reconstructive
surgery. I don't know what theofficial terminology is for that surgery, but
talked to Romeo out of New Yorkdid a lat surgery on me twenty eighteen.

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That was an absolute beast of asurgery. I have a ton ofisodes
on that I'll link in the shownotes. And then in twenty I guess
in twenty seventeen, I got hitin the face with a comebacker, broke
my nose, deviated septum, andthen I had to do a full return
to throw from that. That wasinteresting. But yeah, this stuff is

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super prevalent in today's day and age. Obviously with the amount of injuries I
think we're seeing due to the wewon't even get into that. Why is
everyone getting hurt? Blah blah blah, No, we won't do that.
But it's a really interesting subject.I've done a few podcast episodes on it
already. One specifically sticks out,actually two specifically stick out. One I'll

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and again I'll link these in theshow notes for you guys to go check
them out. But I did athree way episode with myself, doctor Heenan,
and Alan Jager, and that episodelink will be in the show notes.
And then I did another episode withRandy Sullivan of the Florida Baseball Ranch
and we talked for a good bitabout very similar stuff. And it's really

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really really interesting to see how it'sIt's slowly but surely evolving, you know.
So sit back, relax. Sorry, you got to hear my voice.
That'll be it for me. Let'sget to the episode. Check out
the show notes for links. I'llinclude updated links from Winter Ball breakdowns.
I'm currently in Puerto Rico recording thispre role. This episode that we recorded

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was from like a month or twoago, so we'll have to sit down
again. If you guys are interestedin following Harmless's journey coming back from brace
and repair surgery, he's posting somestuff on his social media. Include that
in the show notes. But we'llhave to sit down and do another another
episode. I will include the linkto my question platform in the show notes,
the Robbia show dot Com slash askif you guys want to reach out.

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I love you, God bless.Enjoy this episode of myself and Harmless
talking about his return to throwing postsurgery. All right, enjoy, Dude,
It's crazy how much of a differencethe pop filter, how much of
pop filter makes When you're hot andwe want to talk about I want to

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talk about your rehab. What doyou think has been the hardest part about
your return to throw brace and repair? And it's kind of hard to pick
out a specific single thing because Ifeel like, not that it's been easy,
but I feel like we've had arelatively easy in comparison to other freaking
return to throws. Dude, yourshas been so smooth sailing. Yeah,
from when I've heard so. Outof all the smooth sailing, though,

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what's been like the most difficult part? Difficult part? The most difficult part
was probably in the beginning when Ijust did had nothing to do. Oh
mean, you couldn't physically couldn't doYeah, Yeah, I'd say that's like
the most difficult part of the rehabprocess. In general. Yeah, but
are you saying more like throwing rehab, Yeah, say more like the return
to throw itself as opposed to likethe process in which after you get surgery

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and there's that downtime, because that'slike super mentally tough. I'm talking more
so like physically, I would saysomewhere in that like not quite the beginning,
but you're starting to put some puta little bit behind the ball.

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But you know you can't put toomuch, but you are, but you
are starting to put it. Soyou're like starting to put that out.
You're starting to get past like onetwenty, but you know, like so
like now you're starting to do thingswhere it comes out a little hot because
like unintentionally and then but you know, you can't quite go much more than

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that. That was that was prettytough. You had a monitoring of like
the actual intent behind the throw,not knowing because you haven't really thrown much
in the past year, right,and then having to tell myself to be
like, hey, you got tobe fifty percent. Yeah, like a,
I don't know what fifty percent is. It's been a while. Well,
when you have a new elbow likeyou essentially have, or anytime when

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you take a lot of time offfrom throwing, your whole perception of your
intent levels, you know, changeright. And it's so tough too because
I don't really like the percentage ofintent. And that's why I think Dean
Jackson does such a good job withwell what he's posted on social media,
because we talked about that post theother day about radaring and like, if

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we could do the process all overagain with you, I think that is
one thing that I might change isliterally from day one, like throw the
radar gun up. And the onlything that's tricky as an like as a
somebody that's overseeing you're throwing, isI know how I am do when I
see a radar gun, Like there'sa little bit more coming out, you

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know, because you don't want to, you know, you don't want to
see these numbers, especially with you. I would say with you was extremely
like difficult knowing that your one maingoal return to throwing was to throw hard.
So it's like you're training this thispassive intent, this passive approach,
and you're throwing mechanics from an earlyearly point, but you know that that's

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kind of what you have to do. Did you feel like in the beginning,
when did you start? Johes Sothe surgery date was when October no,
November thirtieth, and then the firstday of throwing was dang, it's
been like eleven months. It's crazy, right, Like when you look back
at it, like you're your freakingyear anniversary of surgery dates coming up.

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And we always talk about this braceand repair being like quick, right,
we saw like how quickly you cameback throwing. Like I remember when we
first long tossed. It was like, dang, dude, you're already long
tossed. Yeah, but like obviouslythe you know, time was way too
fast and things happened and it wasn'tlike you were going to a specific team
on a specific date. So itwas like we we had a little bit

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more free range. Even in thePT portion they like added an extra moment
or like they just kind of didn'tThey just kind of did. They say,
if you did the same PT asa post Tommy John full reconstructive ulner
collateral ligament, it was like thatthat was different, right, Yeah,
that was yeah for bracelet bear.Yeah, So what was the day you

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first threw? I know, Ihave the freaking YouTube a March I was
saying but maybe like March thirteenth orsomething. Yeah, like trying to think
of the thumbnail in my head becauseI made it a very very below average
thumbnail, and I just think hereand I just said like first first day
back throwing, and I think Idid a thing on there with the text.

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Guys listening to this, I wishyou we had video because Harmless is
dry scoop and proven for workout Pfour workout discount code Robbie. So,
dang, dude, I didn't evenrealize that we're almost at a year.
We're literally almost at a fricking year. Now he's shaking it in his mouth.
Do an ASMR for the P fourdo the shakage in the mouthedge so

(08:58):
you can. Yeah, dude,you should put your headphones on and do
that. Listen to it. Ohso the headphones a rattle. Yeah.
You know what I wonder if wewhat we could do on this pod track
is so these are tr rs,which is the three things on the Ox

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deal, right, and that's forheadphone only like microphones. If there's usually
a t R S which is thetwo. But I was wondering if we
could put like ear pods in hereinstead of headphones. But EarPods usually have
a microphone in them too, sosometimes I think there's sound like disruption.
But it'd be nice to have justear pods right, like wouldn't shift on
your head ye, And like Iknow the other day when we potted for

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like an hour, yeah, dude, like I was starting to sweat in
my ears. It's kind of weird. The only thing is do they have
I don't think they would have talkback now, which is so nice because
even on my computer, like playingvideo games, my old set up up,
yeah I had had talkback, butthis setup I don't have talkback and

(10:03):
it bugs me. Why why don'tyou have to talk about it? Because
I need a I need a uhcable. I need a cable to plug
into the headset. Yeah, Ineed a cable for that talkback thing specifically

(10:24):
or something like that. Everyone listeningis just like, wait, I clicked
this because I wanted to learn aboutfreaking rehab throwing, not freaking what cable
you need to get talk back inyour headphones when you're gaming nerds? So
another quarter, you're going you're goingto scoop in a court, dude,
we did a scoop and a scoopscooping almost as the end o the day.

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Really, see, I only likeI never do a full scoop of
that. I don't know why,and I lied. I do know why.
Honestly, the reason why I starteddoing the half scoop is because I
couldn't fit a full scoop in mymouth when I dry scooped it, because
it would come out my nose.You have a minimal wiggle room in there.
If you have a full scoop engineif you have a half scoop,

(11:09):
you have a you have some wiggleroom, Like nothing's really coming out the
nose. Pe dude, it getstough when it like the little uh yeah,
the little it starts to get likein your gun right there, get
like you're like, I can't quiteshake it. I don't think I've done
a dry scoop since that vlog inPuerto Rico. Do you remember that clip?
I think you made a nine bysixteen. I don't think I've done

(11:31):
a full dry scoop since then.You know what we should do? What
we should uh we should double backon this podcast episode with context in front
of us and like map out,like okay, the surgery was this state,
and then the first day of throwingwas this state, and then we
have all the content we could belike a right, the first time I
went one twenty was this date,first date, you know, And I

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would assume to piggyback off what yousaid earlier with like the feet and the
intent, I would say, it'sprobably after you get pasted ninety approaching one
twenty feet in throwing program would belike your most difficult monitoring, right,
because it's like you know that youdon't need a whole lot to get there,
right, but you don't want tobe like super under the ball either,

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and like push you know. Whatwe could do is look back at
that footage too and be like,was that where the elbow spiral breakdown started
occurring? Yeah? No you canyou can, Yeah, you can probably
tell. And this was my firsttime to like overseeing someone Like obviously I've
had some return to throwing in mycareer, but as the first time overseeing,

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and I honestly like learned a lotand I think certain things that I
would I would implement differently if wecould do it again, or if this
situation, God forbid, does occuragain. Like I said earlier with the
radarns just to just to give youa pretty good idea of like quantifying miles
per hour pertaining to your intent levelsand the uh the I would say more

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drill progressions and throw variations early,you know what I'm saying, because I
think when we started throwing, likeyou were throwing plios before you throw a
baseball, but even in your catchplays, when you started throwing a baseball,
it was basically just like throwing.And I think you did one edit
that was like throwing like an athlete, you know. But I think that's
something that happens probably across the boardwith guys coming back from a surgery like

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that, is they'd get real pushy, yeah, right, Like they get
pushy when when they get to acertain feet knowing like they're supposed to control
their intent, don't throw it hardand like all this stuff. But you
still got a freaking hit the partnerin the chest, you know? Was
that any speaking of hitting the partnerin the chest, did you have any
mental restrictions coming back? Like Iremember my first elbow surgery. I was
like, I don't know if Ican hit this guy in the chest,

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like after like sixty feet. Yeah, it was weird. I'd say no,
because I actually took inventory worry ofevery time anybody said anything to me
about any type of return to throwing, no matter if it was your elbow
surgery or Danny's elbow surgery or anything. And I actually like took the words
to heart and it was like,okay, like they've been through it.

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Yeah, and it sounds like ifI if I want to be successful and
kind of have some peace of mindgoing into this and not like shoot myself
in the foot, and I trulyneed to not have any restrictions. So
I just like went in it withlike I have a new elbow and there's
nothing, there's nothing that's going toprevent this rehab happening. Like it's just
it's going to work out. Yeah, And I think that's a shift all

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right. First of all, youjust said took inventory mentally, and that
was you're made for this podcast.I think you're in. Second of all,
I would say that that was somethingthat hindered my first surgery coming back
elbow, because my mind believed thatmy elbow is ft, and even a

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surgery right, like it was ascope procedure, which is different than what
you ad but it was like,no, my mind still thinks that my
elbows f even if I had thesurgery to clear it. And I think
when I had the LAT surgery,that was kind of the shift in mindset
too. And I was a littlebit older, and kudos to you for
taking inventory, but it was itwas more of a mental conviction like no,

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like the surgery was now it's healedright, Like just because I had
surgery, the surgery worked right,Like, it's not like, oh,
the surgery, it's super prone nowto blow up again. So I think
my mindset approaching my throwing from LATsurgery just influenced more smooth sailing as I
got into my return to throw,because, like I said, when I

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had the elbow surgery and I noticedthat there was a physical lack of elbow
extension inflection, I was like,now it was effing with mind and like,
okay, like don't don't piss thatoff when I throw right, And
that's what I was saying the otherday. I kind of had to learn
how to rethrow, like internally rotateshoulder earlier. Did you were there any

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throwing sessions that you had where youdidn't feel as if your elbow is like
ready to take on the load thatthat particular throwing session accompanied. I think
if I truly believed that, Iwould have said something like hey, shut

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it down. But what I'm sayinglike mentally, right, Like there's always
like those times where like physically youmight feel something, but mentally you're like
noing into it, right, likeit's not a big deal. I think
there was one conversation we had whereyou were like, oh, it was
long toss and then like, ohsomething happened. It wasn't feeling good or
was feeling tight, and then somethinghappened and maybe it popped, maybe something
happened where you were just like allright, now it's it's free. Yeah.

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Yeah, I would say it's gottenphysically where it's been like, oh,
it's sparking a little bit, butI know it's a part of this,
like I'm just stress adaptation whatever,like not to like I know we
joke around or joke around about thata lot, but but it's true.
It is no. Yeah, it'slike especially never dealt with it, right.
But that's what we were talking abouttoo. With your your you went

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like a year maybe even year inchange throwing with a torn UCL so like
your pain tolerance probably like from thefrom like the mental side of it got
super hardened, and that was whatI was worried about when you came back,
was like, dang, this guy'sgonna have no mental kind of threshold

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for what like pain and what direnessis. That's the biggest difficulty I would
say in pertaining to monitoring your workloadis like what is the difference between like
it's just sore because I'm throwing forthe first time in a while and it's
a new thing, or is itpain like something needs to be like worked
out. You know, that's atleast for me, I would say in
all all of my surgery experiences,that's where it was like really tough,

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you know, because you know,obviously the last surgery working with doctor doctor
Heendug and you can email me tosave fifty dollars on your remote programming with
ATP, I would say, likeit was so nice having him because even
if there was soreness, it waslike wasn't a red flag, but it
was like, oh, let's justwork it out and then it was gone.

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Like us, we weren't really likehands on with manual therapy, right,
it was just kind of give ita day or two. Well,
now that we've kind of hit thenow that we're out of the window of
like rehab, yeah, and likereturn to throwing. Yeah, you're fully
cleared, right, yeah? Wouldyou? Would you say this is your
first time like fully overseeing all right? Obviously? Yeah? You It's crazy

(18:38):
how different it sounds when your voicegoes away from them, right in comparison
to here. Note to people onthe pomecast, right, they'll hit your
bet cheek, don't hit your buttcheek. I'm just I'm just wondering when
the freaking tingles are gonna hit foryou, but they've already hit. Really
yeah, but go full scoop watermelondiscount? Good Robie. Did you enjoy

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if this is potentially your first fulloverseeing of somebody's return to throw, would
you did you enjoy it? Oh? Wow, you're asking me, Oh
you're getting in host mode? Well, I just can't. I was actually
curious two alphas, just curious there'sone podcaster here. I was just actually,
I actually really like podcasts. Listeningto podcasts that like it's not a

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one interviewing another, It's like they'rejust both talking and asking questions. That's
super good, So way to throwthat in. This is your what first
official podcast, Like, I'm probablygonna air this one. Oh, for
those of you guys listening to this, we've been doing We've set the podcast
up in the backyard in our homein California, and we've been doing pods,
but like we're not going to releaseany of them because it's you know,

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just joking around whatnot. This one'sactually kind of like an official deal.
And I'm thinking that I just goinside as your training and well you
said, yeah, well I wantto double back and just do like a
video youto thing Like that'd be sickif we're going to do the one where
we talk about reha and just talkback and forth the whole process, because

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we technically have eleven months to gothrough right in our heads. Yeah,
and you kind of did a fulllike Tommy John rehabit rehab too, in
the sense of like when we touchedthe mound and when we started really throwing
hard. Yeah, but you wouldbe sick going back through old footage and
having I'm not trying to push thegreens green thing. I'm just saying you

(20:25):
could in the middle of your videojust have it like popped up in the
background, like, oh, thisis literally what three four. I'll tell
you what, dude. We havethe green screen in the lab, and
let's just be honest with ourselves.We're not going to do the things that
we originally like sought out to dowith the green screen in the lab behind
the arrow form mound. Guys listening, we were we were cooking up some
ideas that aren't going to come intofruition. So we could literally take that

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green screen and put it around here, I'd be down. Also, I
did test it, and the reasonwhy we can't do it also is because
the turf on the ground it getsgreen and green different shape. Just cut
the if you just cropped it,then you have a weird uh aspect ratio

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because it's a cropped video, right, But what if you just like did
an opacity mask around the mound andthen with the green screen in the background
and then just put that on anotherlayer in front of like just a black
black screen. Again, past isone listening to this is like, wait
a second, are we getting atutorial in the premiere premiere we're giving you,

(21:30):
but you had one hundred percent dosome freaking premiere pro podcast it's hard
to say. Try to Premiere PremierePro. It's super hard. Everyone listening
to this right now say it onthree one two three Premiere Pro Podcast.
Okay, yeah, you're welcome.All right, god o, all right,

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we're gonna going handheld? How arewe doing? Now? This is
it when when I sit back inthis chair. Yeah, it's a different
animal. What was the one pieceof encouragement you would have for anyone that
maybe I like those socks? Thankyou? If anyone ask you, like,
hey, what are your biggest piecesof advice for doing like a brace
and repair specific surgery kind of thingsto expect moving forward? You know,

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if someone would ask you that question, like, hey, man, what
can I expect if I if Iplanned to see this through, I'm going
to do a full brace and repairand then obviously attacking the throwing program and
PT and stuff. I know it'ssuch a broad question, but like certain
things that Danny or or I saidto you, maybe that's stuck. Remember
you said you're taking an inventory,right, Like, what were some of

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those things that stuck that maybe giveyou a sense of internal confidence approaching your
situation. I think part of theinternal confidence component comes from the uh,
what I was doing before the surgery, during the surgery or not, I
guess during, but like when surgerytime, was there during the surgery to

(23:03):
tell you what, Alright, rabbisI I stole a sling ring and I
learned how to project myself. Butdoing that and then hearing like Danny's reassurance
of like, hey, there's gonnabe certain points in your throwing. It's
gonna kind of suck. But that'slike normal. So if like you feel
a little something something, it's it'slike, that's just just expect that that's

(23:27):
gonna happen. You just had surgery, blah blah blah blah, don't don't
get down or like don't don't worryabout it. And then yeah, because
that could f you up, likefor just like quality of life, you
know, constantly being mentally attentive tolike all these freaking feelings and like,
oh man, am I never goingto come back? Is it not ever

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gonna heal? Is am I doingthis right? Am I doing it wrong?
You know? And that's stress,dude. I'd be honest. I
would tell someone, especially if they'resomeone who's like extremely sre ebl, but
I would say turn off your brainfor for certain parts of like throwing.
Yeah, like you're like way tooattentive, like develop a framework and then

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like get it on paper and thenliterally just this goes off and just attack.
And then obviously you reassess too,right like weeks weeks after weeks,
like reassess, reevaluate, like iswhat I'm doing working? Is it moving
me in the right direction mentally andphysically and emotionally. If it's not,
then you reassess and then you turnthe brain on again and then you go

(24:32):
from there. Right, But Ithink you and I we did a really
good job with just like having apretty good framework to work towards. But
like I said, I I wouldchange a little bit, I think moving
forward. So for those of youguys listening, there was you know what'd
be interesting too, is going backon video before your surgery to see if
that that elbow spiral disconnection type pushinessmechanical inefficiency was a hurring then and then

(25:02):
if it translated to when you startedthrowing again after surgery, do you do
you pretty much know that answer likewas the disconnection? And again, you
guys listening, you're not gonna beable to see it I'm sure there's gonna
be videos somewhere, but were youable to see that like when you were

(25:22):
editing your live abs from New York? Like you know what I'm saying,
Yeah, it comes from anytime Iwant to if it feels like it comes
from anytime I'm trying to go overninety, is like when that pop will
come back, or for the surgerywhen I was going high intent knowing that
like not that ninety was gonna comeeasy, but like knowing ninety wasn't just

(25:45):
like the goal. Yeah, solike I know, I'm going to try
to intense rising to now my freakingelbow essentially. Yeah, which is interesting
though, because like that's in myopinion, then this is why we've changed
it. But that's a very mechanicallyinefficient movement for amplifying power output. But
that's all I knew is just liketry and get down pulled down on the

(26:07):
ball. That's just how I've thrownfor a while, versus I haven't explored
thrown like a third baseman since highschool because for I haven't been able to.
That was a whole nother podcast segmenton it, Like throwing like a
pitcher could actually f you up asa pitcher. Right, So, but
going back to but going back towhat you said about the whole like framework
and going into the surgery and liketelling people what you would look at,

(26:36):
I would say, what would Whatmade it easy? Not easier? Yeah,
what made it easier was not tokind of fluff you here as well.
No, No, I had thethe pre and kind of what I
was doing on my own to giveme peace of mind that I'm going about
this the right way. That waslike cleaning up my diet and like making
sure that in this time, likemy recovery is supposed to be better and

(26:59):
I'm going to take a lot moreserious. So you know, I'm checking
that box. So now I don'thave to if something bad happens, then
at least I could be like,well, I tried, like I did
what I could, and then itwasn't something not related to baseball that you
away from it. And then addon the layer of you know, gaining
the advice from like people like yourself, Danny, and the people who like

(27:22):
reached out who had surgery before,and then also knowing like you were going
to oversee it, and you gaveme a lot of peace of mind of
like, now I don't have tonot only do I have to not stress
about finding someone to help me overseethis whole thing, but I don't have
to worry about some schmuck, someschmuck who's like trying to make you know,

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personal, make it personal, orlike do their own thing or like
whatever. We were pretty open asfar as like, this is what I
got, what do you think?And then you let me know and then
you're always open. You always keepan open line of communication, but we
also well you keep open line communicationfor changes and things that I want in

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it. But we very much,we do very much have like a like
a soft framework that it can alwaysbe tweaked and like we can sprinkle this.
Yeah, nothing's like set on stone. And I think that's the freedom
that a return to throwing program needs, you know, right, Like we
we weren't going to just look atthe pieces of paper and be like,
okay, we have to do thistoday, and if we don't, we're

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never going to be able to throwa baseball again. Like no, we
look at it and be like,all right, where we're at mentally physically,
Because a lot of the rehab returnto throw too, like obviously there's
so many fine lines within this,and maybe hopefully people listening don't take this
the wrong way, but you doneed to find a sense of like peace
and joy in the task of throwing. And I know for me, I
don't do well in restriction. Sowhen it was like I had to do

(28:48):
what was on the paper, thepaper was telling me like essentially how my
arm and body felt, how myarm body mind felt that day, Like,
no, we're not going to dothat, Like you want ten extra
throws from a freaking hand cross variation, Like come on, right, let's
go. I just think like onceyou solidify the goal and the movements leading
up to that, I think that'swhere you did a really good job.

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And this is an encouragement for somebodylistening that may or may not be going
through this or have or will takethe time after surgery right when you have
no downtime, which is what wesaid earlier, that probably the toughest mentally,
you know, time of your wholeentire process. Take that and grow
whether I mean you're not gonna beable to throw, and that's going to

(29:33):
open up more opportunity for you tofixate your mind on something else. Right,
Like you diving into nutrition and whatdo I got to do to make
my body feel really really good?And that's something I did too in twenty
eighteen, was like, Okay,what are the layers of human optimization right
that I can tackle that doesn't involvethrowing itself. And it was like,
Okay, I got to clean upmy nutrition. I got to make sure

(29:56):
I'm sleeping. You know. Thatwas probably something that you put a lot
of attention to as well, likegetting an ore ring using robber Rose discount
and that'll be in the show notesand like tracking that too and being super
mindful and attentive to that. Andthat's the addiction, right, Like that's
the process. We talk about thatwhen we look back at our careers,
Like the thing that sticks out isthe diligent diligency in the process. That's

(30:18):
where you find the most joy,Like you're about to and I give you
a whole lot of credit for,like real, and that wasn't even something
that like I don't even think Itold you to do. It was just
something that you did on your ownbecause you're like, if I want to
take this serious and if I wantto return better than I freaking you know,
was before surgery. These are thesteps I gotta take. That's just
the reality of it, you know, and that makes or break somebody.

(30:42):
Mm hmm. Are you going tothere's a price to pay to be great?
Like you look yourself in the mirrorand be like, am I going
to pay that price? Yes?Or no? You know, like it's
not like I'll pay some of it, but like not gonna pay freaking I'm
not gonna sleep nine hours a night, like I got too many freaking Rockets
League games to play. Yeah,So I would say that that's a that's

(31:03):
a big testament to like the peoplethat separate themselves, especially when you see
rehab programs like that at a professionallevel. Yeah, no, I agree.
It was definitely before that, beforethe like the they opened my arm
up is definitely kind of like,hey, get right with yourself because this
is gonna happen. You agreed toit, and you made the choice.

(31:23):
Also, let's go and sprinkle inlike no team is paying for it,
like if you're you know, likeyou're only wasting your time. And I
think that gave you more motivation tolike do it the right way though knowing
that you had to essentially pay forit. Mm hmm. Yeah, I
think, yeah, I think tosome degree. One, Yeah, like

(31:44):
it's an investment, dude, Abetter for not only that is like it's
on me. I made this choice. It's not like it's it's it'd almost
be easier, I'd say, iflike I was some high value guy,
it's yeah, like you know,oh dude, you know, and you
and an organization eld your hand theentire way. And that's another thing honestly
with that I would I would loveto talk about too, is is the

(32:07):
fact that like you learn so muchmore about yourself when you go through these
injuries when you're alone in comparison tolike when somebody's holding your hand the entire
time. That was the tough dynamicto navigate for myself was like I wanted
to obviously push you in the rightdirection, and like we talked about with
the framework like this is you know, this is what I want to see

(32:29):
from you, But I wasn't goingto force you to be like you got
to do this, you know,because I feel as if if you if
you just keep relying on my energyand my intellect to like guide you,
then you're not gonna like you're notgonna know, when a time in which
that like we depart from each other. You know, God forbid that ever

(32:51):
happens, but if it does happen, you know, like now you're and
that's why I was. And againI think it's just it goes back to
like my relationship with doctor Heenan throughoutmy time in the you know, in
Colorado and Omaha, dealing with mylat rehab is like I told myself specifically
be attentive to all this because itwas something that I was passionate about and

(33:12):
something I could one hundred percent seemyself enjoying from the other side, you
know. And now, like it'sfunny how the roles. We joke about
this a lot, how the rolesreverse, and now I am your doctor
Heenan, you know, And Ithink there's so much value in that is
having someone that knows what they're doing, and like you said earlier, not
just someone from a medical field thatknows what they're doing, but like medical

(33:34):
and baseball related to right, havingthat and then being attentive to like,
all right, well, as soonas I'm attentive to what I need to
do and how my body our mindrespond to these certain stimulus, like now
I can take that information to learnmore about myself. Right now, as
you move forward in your journey,it's like you're equipped now. In the
last year timeframe was so much moreinformation and knowledge pertaining to like you're like

(34:00):
harmless. Yeah right, and that'sso much, so valuable because now it's
like I wrote your program on thewhiteboard, which you're gonna actually like it's
a good good sash, but likeyou'd be able to see one of those
things maybe like A two you're like, I'm not really feeling the overhead dumbbell
press with trunk lateral till right,Like maybe you're not feeling that all right,

(34:22):
you probably know now like I justneed to do another upper kind of
press. I can do a freakinghalf kneeling you know, land mine press
instead of that, right, Like, just little things like that I think
go so long. Yeah, Ithink honestly seeing you write workouts and then
seeing how you go about them too, and like how do you like,
Oh, it's not just guess yeah, you're going like, yeah, okay,

(34:45):
so there's this movement, so Iknow he's gonna need this movement.
It's an upper body day or likeit's a full body day. Boom boom
boom. It's full body Friday boy, hashtag that full money. That's why
I did a scoop in a corner. Let's just call it a half.
Someone's saying, speaking of that scoop, you want you ready to go work
out? Dude? I was kindof feeling this whole. I was gonna

(35:06):
say, we could go kind ofon a burn, dude. As soon
as I went handheld Mike, thedynamic changed. It sprinkles in a little
thing. And see your energy juststarting to slowly, Guys listening. He
walked in here with like it probablyone point two on a scale to ten.
One point two energy and now you'reat like a seven point six.
I was gonna ask, could yousee my like the puffiness in my eyes?

(35:28):
I saw a lot puffy. It'sseen it quite a bit these last
few days too. I'll be honest, I've been freaking wrecked in the recovery
sphere. What do you mean you'reready? The score was in the Crownage,
I know, but I think I'mmanipulating. But it's a flawed and
I'm manipulating it on accident because I'llwake up, dude. I don't know
if I'm getting planner p but justin my legs. Gosh darn it,

(35:49):
but I don't talk about that onthis show. This podcast has meant for
only positivity, not a planner forshot, but a videos coming out.
Are you gonna is that video done? Because Josh told me if there was
a way that he could see thevideo before being aired. Oh yeah,
no, I'm gonna send it toyou guys. Keep me boasted on that.
Yeah. And if you guys listeningwant to see a planner for shit,

(36:09):
a session with doctor Heenan and myselfand lots of misery and tears and
pain and agony, but also astballhighlight video. Oh yeah. Most most
importantly, I want I want twelveminutes of game footage in there. I
want two minutes of needles going intomy foot. Steate, you got thirty
seconds, Okay, I'll get thirtyseconds the needles going in my foot,

(36:31):
and then twelve minutes of basketball.Well, I'll be you thirty seconds.
Though, we're gonna ask, we'regonna anymore. We're gonna actually do a
split screen. We're gonna do ahalf split screen and then like one half
Like hey, if you guys arehere, just might enjoy these highlights in
the top right corner. Yeah,dude, of a lot of freaking walking
around on one foot. Dude,imagine this. Imagine. Let me set
the let me set the scene forpotentially like next year. Let's say we

(36:57):
just come out and we're both withon that men's league team. You've somehow
convinced me, and you know it'sa good showing for the steed. That
is. That is the goal,by the way, for everyone listening to
this is the goal is to getHarmless to come out for men's league next
year. We do it. Thisyear, we got We get the green
screen right here, and we're justbreaking down game footage of the I'm gonna
need you to roll off the screen, all right. You see that one.

(37:21):
Guys, that's a pivot. Okay, it's a triple threat. You
can pass, dribble, or shoot. I'm gonna take a hard jab,
fake crossover, left goes right.I'm usually a right driver, left pull
up guy, but I'm known todabble and step back to the right side.
Ah, that's good, all right, you got to work out do
an as see, we just talkedabout your desire to be better, and

(37:43):
now you got to show the audienceyou just went handheld and started leaning back.
So that tells me one thing.And I know, well, I
just I for some reason, likeI prioritize posture over sound, and I
don't know if that's a good thingfor being a podcaster. But I will
say what I don't like about thehandheld is any movement you guys, hear

(38:05):
that, any movement it's going onthe DBS. So that's what I like
about the stand. But the postureof handheld, like being able to sit
back in this chair right here,is freaking money. Do we have a
good setup. We have to acknowledgethat too, Like this dynamic with the
training lab and the sac arena toour left on a very beautiful sunny day

(38:27):
here in northern California. The traininglab, the freaking aeroform mound, the
nets, shout out aeroform, shoutout cham goal. I don't think it's
cham goal or sham goal. Ch A m G A or sorry a
m G O a L cham goal. Yeah. I mean maybe we should

(38:52):
we should Okay, well a weshould definitely double back on this whole.
I think I think we do avideo segment on it. Yeah, because
we had video integration and that wouldbe next level huge and then also just
looking around and seeing the amount oflike beams and boards, yeah and stuff,
and the potential dude, you couldliterally like hang a camera and like
just boom, you could literally hanga whole basically podcast studio. I now,

(39:15):
like you can have all the lightingnow, And I really like the
ambience sound so like I live rightnext to a freeway and like like hearing
the cars and the birds like that, Like it's super just peaceful, right
huh. I think that's why Icould sit here and just talk because I
love talking, but like it's verypeaceful. I also like it too because
it's has like an outside but you'revery much inside. Yeah, component yeah,

(39:40):
yeah, well up this. OhI got like twelve video requests to
do a full tour of like thelab actually and yeah, so like I've
done multiple lab kind of video rings, but I've never done one where it's
like as soon as I step outthat door, like all right, now
what do we got? Because Icould say, all right, that's the
sauna, that's the freaking cold coldplunge pod Cold Pod discount cod Robie.

(40:05):
Oh, I have a discount codenow for the sauna creatric solutions. Yeah,
it's discount code Robbie with a hybut like that turf areas for mobility,
that's the sauna. That's the coldpod all right now once you step
out here, Sack Arena also workoutpodcast table, Dad's lumber mill you need
anything made? If you need anythingmade, including a thirty five inch rolland

(40:30):
what was his bat company, Rollin'Rolland's Lumber. I think he did.
I tell you the story about himtaking a Christmas tree one year and making
a bat out of it. It'sin my room. I need to show
you. No, but that's thecool bro. He made a bat out
of a Christmas tree that you guyshad and like and yet like a Christmas
tree that was it was use youryeah, yeah yeah, it was our
Christmas tree for like one year andthen like four days later it was a

(40:52):
bat in my room. But helike, I don't is he out here?
No, he's not out here.I think he's in the living room.
Yeah, but he like he didsomething like he coated it and it
was like smooth and it was likeRoland's lumber something and uh, it was
like a drop one and a halfit could have been a free pretty sick.
What's the opposite of a drop onelike a plus one? What's the

(41:15):
bat baseball hitter's lingo when they saythat weighs more than its length? An
up? What's the opposite of adrop? A jump? An elevate,
an elevator escalator? Uh yeah,all right, well guys, he's scratching

(41:35):
his eyes, so we gotta go. He's gotta go work out. I
gotta I gotta go. See youguys. Thanks for listening to the Rebio
Show podcast word Out. Have abye. Yeah, we should definitely double
back to her. I feel likewe could kill that, like we kind
of accidentally did, no, wedid. You know what the move is
too? When you end podcasts likethat, don't hit the end record button
until like we leave, because thenyou get these ambient sounds and people are

(41:59):
like, oh wait, there's stillsaying something. It's just like their true
authentic self, Like we didn't getthat in the show. Let's hear what
they're like now. They think we'rethey think we're gonna go work out.
Turn the freaking PlayStation on, comeon now, h no, but actually
no, but seriously, they'll bea good workout. You'll enjoy this one.

(42:19):
Oh yeah, did you as sumohthe the other day or was it
trap bar suitcase the other day?Pretty sure the other day just trap bar
suitcase, right,

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