November 4, 2025 • 40 mins
Todd sits down with Beau Bayh, a Democrat running for Indiana Secretary of State, for a candid conversation about Indiana’s push for mid-cycle redistricting. We dig into what gerrymandering looks like in practice, whether splitting counties like Marion makes sense, and how competition and trust shape healthy elections. Beau explains why he’s taking this message to conservative audiences, what bipartisan commissions can and can’t solve, and why he believes accountability—not party—should guide the office he’s seeking. Todd shares concerns about rising partisanship and presses Beau on how today’s Democratic Party compares to the Bayh legacy Hoosiers remember. If you care about election integrity, redistricting maps, and the future of Indiana politics, this one’s worth your time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, that is right, my friends, special program today. We
don't do this often. We're doing this a little more
frequently than we used to. But I've got the privilege
today of speaking with Bow by which we'll introduce him
here in just a moment. Bo is a Democrat running
for Secretary of State here in the Hoosier State, the
great state of Indiana. If you've been the Hoosier for long,
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you will recognize the name. His dad, Evan, was governor
and senator. His grandpa, Birch was senator as well. So
we'll bring Bo on here in just a moment. We're
going to talk about redistricting. We're going to talk about
just politics in general, but redistricting is a big thing
here in this state and it's in others as well.
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Speaker 3 (02:25):
Bo By again.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
He's a Democrat running for Secretary of State here in
the state of Indiana.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Bo, welcome to the program, Sir, how are you.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Today, and do really well to Thanks for having me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Hey, it's my pleasure to have you.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
As I told you when we first connected here, I
appreciate you coming on the program today because I've invited
a lot of other Democrats to discuss issues like this,
and many most turned down the invitation. You've accepted that,
and I respect that a whole lot.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Bo.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Our audience, as you know, is primarily concernedvative, primarily Republican,
and but the brand of.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
What I do is conservative, not bitter.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So I told you I was raising a union Democrat
household myself, and I want you to know that I'm
going to treat you fairly but also ask fair direct questions.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And let's start here. If that's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
What made you want to come on a conservative talk
show and talk about redistricting with this audience today.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yeah, Well, as you mentioned, I'm running for Secretary of
State in Indiana. I'm not running to be the secretary
of State of just the Democrats in Indiana. I'm runing
to represent everyone in this office. And we have a
lot of conservative, great conservative voters in our state, and
so I have an obligation running for this office to
reach out to them, to try and find areas where
we agree and to listen to their concerns. So I'm look,
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I will talk to anyone from anywhere, of any pocal party.
That's kind of my mantra in this race. That's just
who I am as a person. I think it's just
a shame the way that we separate ourselves into teams
so often our politics, it's just becomes triable and partisan,
and I think that really is a disturb us to
the people of our great state. We should just recognize
the things that we have in common, right you know,
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I was reading a little bit about your show. You
said it's a faith driven podcast. I'm a man of faith.
There are things in our life in fact, that we're
all Americans, that we all want a better future, park families,
that we're for you and me, That we have our
Christian faith that should bond us that are far more
important than any political divide may have. So yeah, I'm
just happy to come on and have this discussion with you.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Todd Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You've publicly called for this mid cycle redistricting Indiana. You've
called that, I should say, I think you said it's
just wrong. I wanted you to walk us through your
main objections, be it procedural objections, ethical, practical, whatever those are.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
What are your objections to this bo Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Well there's a few. And look, I don't think it's
the right thing to do in Indiana. But let me
just say, Todd, I don't think this is the right
thing to do in California, and I think it's ridiculous
that it's happened in Illinois for the longest time. It
doesn't for me. This is not a is an issue.
It doesn't matter what political party is doing. This jerry
mendering like this, where politicians decide who their voters are
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to basically make our elections non competitive, is just wrong
because we should, to the extended as possible, have everyone
have an equal say in our representatives and our Republican democracy. Right.
We want people's vote and voice to count in our elections.
And when you have a bunch of politicians in the
state out here in Indiana or in the state House
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in Illinois deciding who is going to elect them, they
can change the maps in such a way where they
really don't have to take the people's interests into account
when they're running campaigns, and that decreases accountability among our
elected officials. It decreases competition in our elections, which can
produce some more extreme results in democratic states and Republican states.
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I think that competition in business is a good thing
because it produces better results for consumers, It produces better goods,
it drives costs. And it's interesting in politics too, because
when you have two competing reasonable parties that are you know,
forging policy and compromising on some things and you know,
having to to you know, just compete strongly, that's going
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to produce a better result for voters. So I'm all
about competition. I'm all about people having a fair say
in our government. And this is going to do a
lot just to further degrade the trusts that we have
in our democracy. And you know that as you know,
it's that's at an all time low. And that's it
doesn't matter what political party you're in. People just today,
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I mean, look, I'm getting around the whole state. I'm
listening to people, the Republicans, Democrats, independence. One of the
number one issues I hear Todd is that and this
is true of any people from both political parties, is
that they just don't have a ton of trust in
their elected officials or in our democratic processes. What is
this going to do to that trust? It's only going
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to further erode it. When people say, look, these folks
in the state legislature are just going to draw the maps,
so my vote doesn't really count. I mean, that's doesn't
do a whole lot to rebuild the broken bonds of
trust that are really hurting our country in our state.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So when it comes to jerrymandering, so let's talk a
little bit about that. I mean, I hear what you say,
and I want this.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
This is you know, every ten years, you know, I mean,
you know this, the audience knows this. We take this
census and we redraw the districts based upon whether or
not we gain population or however that works, right, based
upon the total population of the country from the census.
This is a mid kind of middle of the term thing,
but it is a political process.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Bough.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
My position is if voters don't like what's done, they
can hold the legislature politically responsible. You think that there's
more to it than that, and if so, what.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
What what else? What else is there?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I guess well, two things. First, if we continue down
this path and we have did a decade redistricting eventually,
that gets us to a place where we're just going
to do this over two years, right, And that's just
from a workability standpoint, that becomes a little tough to
just redraw these maps with not a whole lot of
new data. You mentioned that you know, we take in
data from the census years, I mean restructure our at
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least in theory, we restructure our maps in accordance with
that data. We're doing this over two years without new data.
That just makes it from a practicability standpoint, pretty hard
to do. But another thing you mentioned, okay, I take
your point that, Okay, if we do this, if the
state legislature moves ahead with this, and the voters will
have an opportunity to vote them out if they if
they don't like it. But the problem with that argument, Todd,
is that if the state legislature draws our maps in
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a way where their seats are safe, where they actually don't,
they cannot be held accountable because they just pick their voters,
and they know that the voters they're pick and they're
going to vote for them no matter what they do.
Then then you know they're probably safe no matter what
they do, and they're not going to be held accountable.
And that's true, by the way, go ahead, Well, no, I.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Don't want to interrupt you. I try to give as
much time to you. I just want to go ahead
and finish your thought. But I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
No, I was just going to say that this is
bad in blue states too. Look, if we continue down
this race to the bottom, if this is replicated in
other places in the country, like California with this ballot
proposition that's being voted on, then we will reach a
place in our country toide where we just have completely
read states and congressional delegations and completely blue states. And
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what will that produce. That will produce politics where the
general election is completely determined in our primary system. And
you're a student of politics, you know that primaries tend
to produce more extreme They favor more extreme candidates because
it's more it's more of the base that's turning out
in the primary elections, and so that will produce more
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extreme politics, not just in the Republican Party, but in
the Democratic Party too. And so I would ask your listeners,
do they want more extreme Democrats running for office? I'm
tired of more extreme Democrats running for office. I think
that we ought to have nonpartisan people to the extend
its possible, try and work with each other, try and
form compromise, trying to help people. That should be our
first goal as elected officials is how do we help
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the people we represent, not how do we change our
elections to just get elected into perpetuity without accountability. That
doesn't seem like a good priority for me.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Two things, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So one is the state legislature is changing the US
Congress district maps. So this wouldn't secure The maps that
they draw would not secure their election because they're securing
or you know that they're they're drawing districts for representatives
that would be at the federal level that.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Are not these folks.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Unless there's something I'm missing, correct me if I'm wrong, bo,
But I mean there's no other lessure.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Okay, So number two, I guess my question would be,
and I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Look, my family and I we sold our home, we
bought a fifth will, We've traveled the country with promoting
this show and so forth.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And it's remarkable to me.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I say on the program at half tongue in cheek, right,
I say, eighty percent of this country would agree with
eighty percent of the things I say.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think that there is truth in that. I think
you and I, if we sat down, there's gonna be
We're going to have a lot of agreement on some stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I believe this, I think. And to your point, I
see what you're saying. Allowing this to happen could lead
to more partisanship. But I also think, isn't the extreme
part of partisanship we're already seeing kind of fueling this
to begin with? Because from someone like my perspective, I think,
and you correct me if I'm wrong. I don't want
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to put words in your mouth, and I do want
to get your thoughts on this. But the Democrat Party
of your dad and your grandfather, it's different today, and
I'm not here. Look, I'm not here to defend the
Republican Party, and I'm not expecting you to defend everything
about the Democrat Party. At the end of the day,
we're humans that have to make individual choices as to
where we align and all that. But I think you know,
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some of this extreme stuff that we've seen from say
the extreme you know, trans agenda, some of these Zoron
Mandani is a I mean an open democrat socialist. These
things are threatening, I think to the core of our
of our republic. And I think, who's your Democrat in
many instances today is not the same thing as a
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California Democrat, but they end up voting for the same
leadership in Washington. And I think that that partisanship fuels
this as well. I mean, where do we Where do
you agree with what I just said?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Where?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Where do you disagree? Tell me your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, so at first, let me you brought up a
good point. I just want to correct myself. You said
that the state legislature will not be changed as a
result of this those districts. That's correct. I was making
the point of the party that is doing this will
not be unaccountable or sorry, because you know, the people
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in Congress are changing their district So I want to
just want to share myself on that. So, look, I
take your point. Uh, it is just that's that's a
shame how much partisanship plays into our politics. I think
that compromise should not be a dirty word. And look,
you just mentioned that you and I agree on a
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lot of things. I'm sure that's the case. I'm sure
your listeners and I agree on some stuff. We should
be able to find things that we agree on to
deliver results for people. And the good thing about if
I could just pivot a little bit to talk about
the race that I am running for, the good thing
about this office, the Secretary of State's office, is that
it's not partisan. Right that you're in charge of handling
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the elections, of investing securities, proud of registering new businesses,
and of regulating the car dealerships, and none of those
things is partisans So it's just look, I think we
got to get back to a place in this country
where we have two strong, reasonable political parties that are
competing and that are willing to work with each other.
And I maybe that's a little naive of me, and
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I understand that. I take your point that you know,
intense partisanship is what kicked off this whole race to
the bottom and the first instance, but that's not an
excuse for just continuing down the path. Right at some point,
we've got to stand on principle here and just say
that this is not right. And like I said, it
doesn't matter whether it happens, and it's wrong in Illinois.
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That's wrong what they're doing. What they do in Illinois,
it's just enfranchising a bunch of conservative voters down state.
In Illinois. I feel like they don't have a saying
their state government that's not the right thing to do. Sure,
And it's funny. It's funny because this is one of
the only times I've ever heard folks in Indiana saying
that we should be more like California and the way
that they do things. Right, We're more like Illinois in
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the way that they do things. Usually people in Indiana
are aren't saying, look at those folks that are in California,
they're doing things right way right.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I'm on with Bo Bye, he's running for Secretary of
State here in the state of Indiana. We're talking about
redistricting and kind of the larger political I guess landscape
that we have today. You know, Bo, when I went
to Butler, I studied political science there, and my when
I think of jerry mandering, and maybe it's nuanced or
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maybe I'm off a degree here, but I always understood
jerry mandering. As you know, it's one of those things
the Supreme Court ruled on years ago on uh GE
like material right and one of the.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well the court the case where they ruled, and you know.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
About this more than I as a as an attorney,
but the someone one of the justices basically said, I know, pornography,
there we go. When I see it, I can't necessarily
certainly define it. I kind of feel the same way
about jerrymandering, you know, because I've see, you know, one
of those districts in Illinois.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's really it's drew.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's drawn specifically to connect cities where they think they
can get more Blue votes. I think it's one of
the things. We know it when we see it. But
I reject the notion that we have that any district
is either Republican or Democrat. If they're if they're fairly
drawn and not extremist, I guess I would ask you
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what other how else do you define it?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Again, I know what when I see it, if it's
some ridiculous shape that goes from city to city, or
you know, just zigs and zags.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Our districts are pretty you know, uniform in shape.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
You know, they're bigger and smaller debate based upon the
population density.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But what else are we looking for?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
House do we say this is you know, just inappropriate,
this is this is crossing a line because you still
have to win the votes in that district.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And if it's not extreme, like, what else are we
looking for? I guess is my question?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, look, you know what, when you see it, you're
exactly right. I mean, we have a Democratic congressman here
in Marion County where I live, and the maps, at
least that I've seen floated, are going to cut Marion
County in a bunch of different ways and basically remove
him from his seat. And look, I don't want to
get into a scussion about the merits of whether or
not we agree with him. I'd imagine a lot of
your listeners strongly disagree with him on policy. But what
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we can agree, at least, I would hope, is that
politicians shouldn't be making the decision about whether or to
remove him. Right, And in effect, that is what Jerry
Meandering does. It takes power out of the hands of
the voters to decide who their elected officials are, and
it places it in the hands of one hundred and
fifty people in the state legislature. That to me, Todd,
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It's just it doesn't make sense, man. And maybe maybe
I'm like overly idealistic and about this issue. And politics
is a rough and tumble business and you do whatever
it takes to win. I understand people where they're coming
from when they make that argument, but there are certain
things in politics that you have to be principled on
and this is just not the right thing to do.
And like I said, it's not partisan, doesn't matter where
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it's happening.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Help me understand if so let's say, let's say Marion
County is split.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Let's say.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
What I hear what you're saying. There's a part of
me that says, you know, I relate and can see that.
But who says Marion County has to be together?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I mean, why why is it?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
You know, this is not something you and I You
said you share a faith. Uh, we're Christian. We both
believe in the God of the Bible. I mean, there's
nothing like that's a moral thing that says a district
has to be in this area or you know even
this shape again we know one that's when it's too
funky and it's just obviously trying to manipulate the system.
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But what is it I get again, my question would
be why why do we why can we not split
Marion County?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Why? I mean, maybe there's an obvious reason, tell me,
just give me your feedback.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Well, look in states that do this, that redistrict in
a bipartisan manner, which California. I mean, there's life problems
with California, don't get me started. But they did that
to their credit, and they're trying to change this now,
which I think is a shame. But they had a
bipartisan Redistricts and Commission which trying through these districts in
a fair way. So what does that mean toime? That
means that you look at the communities of interests they
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call it, people that are kind of in the same
neighborhood that share, you know, the same facilities, that are
just around each other all the time. And you say,
how do we apportion representation where you know someone who's
representing this community. And so I know that's a little marky,
but like some of the maps I've seen floated, have
folks in Marion County in the same district as people
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way down or way up in Fort Wayne and stuff
like that. So what does look to voters in Marion
County and voters in Allen County have some things in common?
Of course, of course they do. But do voters like
it's currently constructed where just essentially this congressional district encompasses
most of Marion County, The voters just in Marin County,
I have more in common with each other. Yeah, they do,
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And I think we can both say that. So Marion County,
Indianapolis is a heavily democratic city. It's a heavily democratic county.
I mean, I don't you probably know the results of
the mayors mayor election better than me, but I think
you know the mayor won by close to twenty percent, Right,
it's kind of inverse of the rest of the state.
So can we in good faith say that the congressional
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district that in company know, if they're splitting Marion County
up in these ways, that it should have a representative
from the opposite party given the results of the largest
city in that county. I mean, I don't know we
can get into the minutia of this, but I think
it looks at the end of the day, we have
to ask ourselves what does this do to our faith
in our democracy? And if we don't we live in
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a conservative stated, you know that, but that doesn't mean
that we all think the same way about every issue.
There are all people here that disagree on some things,
and so we have ask to ourselves, are we willing
to just completely take them out of the process, because
that is an effect what will happen here? And I
don't think actually that will have a good result for
conservatives either, because, like I said, conservatives benefit from a
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reasonable opposition party, because if you don't have competition, you see,
there's no accountability, and if there's no accountability, you see
the results like we've been seeing. Diego Morales is the
current victory of state. This guy is hiring his family members,
He's taking trips all over the world that doesn't tell
us who's paying for them. He's given out millions of
dollars in taxpayer money to his donors and no big contracts.
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Those are not the actions that people take when they
fear repercussions from elections. He doesn't because there's no competition
in our state. And so we have to ask ourselves,
is that we want that replicated? Throughout the whole state.
I don't And it's not a partisan thing. It doesn't
matter what political party you're in. I want to let
the officials that feel a little bit accountable to the voters.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Right, So, well, yeah, we absolutely do. They still have
to win elections no matter where they are. This isn't
you know, one of the dangers here? And I just
have a minute, Bo, and I'll say I can't speak
to any of that about Diego Morales in fact, and
you saying that will probably invite him on the show
and have him respond to those allegations.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
If he wants to talk to me ask him to,
I'd have to be happy to.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, we'll see what we can do there. But just
have I mean less than a minute. Are there are
there larger political issues? What are your concerns moving forward?
As a Hoosier who's getting into politics here? I got
to wrap up in thirty seconds, Bo, But what are
your concerns?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
So my main concern is the amount of insider dealing
in the corruption that we've seen in our state government, Todd,
and it's not part of Diego Morales is not bad
because he's a Republican. He's bad because he uses his
position to benefit himself, and that's bad. Whether Democrats or
Republicans are doing it. I'm learning to root that out.
If people believe in better government, if people believe in
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accountability for bad acts from our politicians, then I would
ask your voters to excuse me, your listeners to take
a hard look at this race and keep an open mind,
and I will always listen to them. And I think
we agree in a lot more than they may think.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, Bo, I appreciate it. I'm simply out of time.
I commend you for coming on. Good conversation. Thank you
very much. That's Bo Bye, who is running for Secretary
of State here in the state of Indiana. My friends,
I've got to take a time out. You're listening here
to the home of conservative not better Talk. I'm your host,
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I'm not.
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I do think again, I've shared this before.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I had one joker out there, one joker who said
to me that I was grifting off the death of
Charlie Kirk, which I you know, what, if you've listened
to this program for your length of time and that's
what you think of me, I don't. I don't know
what to say. Uh, but that really impacted me. And look,
and it's not about me. I'm saying that his death,
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his assassination, caused me to reevaluate some of the things
that we were doing here. This seems like a completely
logical way of thinking. Charlie Kirk was very effective and
one of the things he did better than what I've
done is find a way to consistently get in front
of the people who need to hear this the most.
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And so I think one of the ways, and there's
other ways. Seeing things that we're working on on the website,
behind the scenes here that you're going to hear about
in the weeks, well probably months to come.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Actually some of them weeks to come. But they're designed
to meet people they where they are.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You know, I just don't want an echo chamber. I
know many of you we agree on a whole lot
of things, and that's great. We got to take what
we the message of truth, and we've got to get
it in front of people where they are so that
they can receive the truth.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Again, I don't mean to apply that we have it
all figured out.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
If you listen to this program for a length of time,
you might say Todd might have it all figured out.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
But the point here is is to say, we've got
to get this message out there. We've got to find
ways to get this in front of the right people
because they're being inundated with lies and deception and you know,
all sorts of stuff that's not pushing in the direction
of helping them come to the realization of truth. In fact,
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a lot of these politicians don't want you to know
the truth. They like things just as they are. And
I don't include bo and that bo is a younger guy.
This is down as name into politics here. I personally,
I mean I like Bo. I just I cannot wrap
my head around voting for someone who's calling themselves a
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Democrat today because the party has gone absolutely off the rails.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
It has.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
It's gone off the rails. It's not the party of
evan By, it's not the party of birch Buy. I
don't know why anybody would associate with that party today
just because of how far it's gone. So a couple
things I want to get to in response to Bow
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I understand what he's what he's saying, and there is
there are things that I think fairly we need to
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think about as we head down this path towards redistricting.
You've already heard me say, I think that Indiana should
do this. We had Micah Beck with on last week
Lieutenant governor talking about this thing, this very issue. We
might maybe all invite Governor Braun on. I don't know
who we'll who we'll have on here, but the bottom
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line is, folks, we're going to fight for the survival
of this constitutional republic. Bow brings up points that I
think we absolutely should be should be aware of and
keep in mind.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I also think that we have to understand what we're
up against.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And the Democrat political machine has gone so off the
rails and they've done this think about it this way.
They've maximized the seats that they can pick up, and
a lot of the blue states they've already maximized it.
And now suddenly this is something that they want to stop.
And to BOE's credit, he criticized what they had been
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done in Illinois, for example, as well. I've not seen
yet any maps. I don't know if there's any such
map that we can rely upon just yet. This in
the state of Indiana is going to be a process
to get there. But you know, there's ideas that are
being floated around. But again, there's something to be said.
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Obviously when you put together a district you're trying to find,
you know, you want commonalities, You're looking for people who
share in a community.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
But to say again I just to say that you
have to keep a county together, I don't. I don't
think that that's true.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Now, maybe the voters do, and they can vote the
people out if they don't agree with how they split
the state up. But there's not a blueprint that says
this is how a district needs to be shaped. You know,
is a rectangle? Is a long north south rectangle unacceptable?
But a more of a square shape is? I mean,
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is there any configuration that you know? Do we follow
the paths of rivers and highways? Do we stick with counties?
I mean, how do you how do you say that
this is the right the right mix the right boundaries,
fully understanding that the intent here is to is to
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politically give an advantage to the people.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Drawing the maps.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And I didn't have time to talk with bo about this,
but he mentioned this nonpartisan or bipartisan whatever, California Commission.
I don't listen. I know for some people, when you
hear those words, that sounds like the right thing. First
of all, there's never anything that's nonpartisan. It just doesn't exist.
It doesn't exist. I tell you, on this per I
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am a conservative person, right. I am someone who believes
in conservative principles and values. Most importantly, I'm someone who
believes in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and I want
to communicate these these messages. I am trying to advance
those things. I'm trying to share those things. I'm trying
to get people to accept those things. I am as
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fair as I know how to be. To the other side,
I can have atheists on here. We've had eighth and
atheist on here before. Maybe we'll do more of that
as well. But the bottom line is, the bottom line
is you can still be fair while having an agenda.
But to say it's nonpartisan is a stretch.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
And I don't. I just don't believe that stuff. Don't.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I don't have faith in government just because people are
all smiling and shaking hands. Then you've got that's where
the idea of the uniparty talk comes into place. So
there's not just a simple solution to this. I can
be sympathetic and understand some of the points he made
while all so saying at the.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
End of the day.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Democrats have stacked the deck in their favor, and now
they're saying Republicans can't respond in kind.
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I'm not. I wasn't born yesterday, my friends, and neither
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Speaker 2 (34:04):
Welcome back, my friend's third and final segments of today's program.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I know, look, we've talked a lot about Indiana today.
That is my home state. But this is happening all
across the country.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's either happened in your state before, maybe happening now,
or could be happening in the not too distant future.
This talk of redistricting Texas has done at California, is
in the process of doing at Missouri. I think North Carolina, Indiana.
There's a lot of states that are about that are
considering doing this very thing, and it's important even if
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your state isn't doing it, it's important to understand the
thinking behind it because it may become an issue. It
automatically becomes an issue. Every ten years during the census
or after the census, they redistrict again based upon populations.
Overall state population, your state may gain or lose a
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congressional seat in the US congres is based upon whether or.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Not it's growing at below or above overall.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Population rates, and you know, they may need to be
drawn even if you're redrawn. Even if you don't, your
state doesn't gain or lose just based upon where the
population of your state has moved to. If a certain
city is growing, you might see a district have to
change shape to accommodate that because roughly you want the
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same number of people in each congressional district.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
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I'm going to put in I think today's newsletter. I'm
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going to put in today's newsletter. A I think I'm
going to put a poll. I haven't done this yet,
but we'll put a poll. I want to know what
you think. Do you think that we should be or
that your state, any state, should be redistricting, or do
you think it's out of bounds. Do you think it's
not a good idea? Because the truth, my friends, is
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that this matters on a not just in Indiana. It
matters in a lot of states today, and it's going
to continue to matter. I referenced earlier. I wanted to
make sure I said this. That's what I was scrolling
here too as I was talking there. I have rules
for my interviews. For the interviews here. First of all,
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Rule number one, an invitation is not an endorsement. I
am not endorsing bo Bye for Secretary of State. I
wanted to talk with Ooh Bye bo Bye. I want
to talk with people that we agree with, that we
disagree with. I want to have all people on here,
because that's how you get the truth my friends, the
guest gets to that's number two.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Hopefully.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yes, I can get a little long winded, I know,
but it's part of the job. It comes with the territory.
But I really try to let the guests speak as
much as possible. I want to listen. I want to
let them explain their position to you, and I've got
time afterwards if they don't have, if we haven't secured
the entire program to talk about things, I've got time
afterwards to tell you what I think about it. So
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that's why we want to let the guest speak as
much as possible.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
I won't be anyone's pond. I didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean, listen, he's running in a race. I didn't
much care for the what he was saying about Diego Morales.
I can't speak to that. It's one of the reasons
why I immediately thought, as he was talking, will at
least extend an invitation to Diego to see if he
wants to address those things. You know, again, it's hard
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to manage all these details, but that's my thinking there.
And then number four, perhaps most importantly, you know, my
job is not to win elections. My job is to
pursue truth. I'm not just going to be a banner
carrier for the Republican Party. I believe in conservative principles
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and values. I believe that those are needed. We have
to return to those. We're in the midst of a
great Cold civil war here, my friends, well for the
ability to politically shape this nation for I mean years
to come. Our republic truly is hanging in the balance here,
my friends. It's not my job to win elections. It's
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the job of politicians. If I invite somebody on here
and they say things that resonate with the listener, the
other side better better come on or whatever and articulate
or campaign to explain why they're the better candidates.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
But my job is to get to truth. My job
is to get the truth.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I do think as of right now that means that
we want as many Republicans elected as possible. But listen,
I'm not here again to just say that the Republicans
are the answer, because sometimes they're not. Been some terrible
Republican candidates too. Republicans, Listen, they're not without blame with
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a lot of what we're facing today, but they've not
left the world of reality. That's what's happened to the
Democrat Party. It has gotten so insane, and that's I
wish I could have asked Evan or excuse me, bow Bye,
to talk a little bit more about that, because I
don't know if you're reasonable today. I don't know how
you can embrace the party enough to run as one
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of its candidates.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I think that that's absolutely ludicrous. But again I appreciate
him coming on. I've got to go out of time,
as you can tell.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, that is right, my friends, special program today. We
don't do this often. We're doing this a little more
frequently than we used to. But I've got the privilege
today of speaking with Bow by which we'll introduce him
here in just a moment. Bo is a Democrat running
for Secretary of State here in the Hoosier State, the
great state of Indiana. If you've been the Hoosier for long,
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you will recognize the name. His dad, Evan, was governor
and senator. His grandpa, Birch was senator as well. So
we'll bring Bo on here in just a moment. We're
going to talk about redistricting. We're going to talk about
just politics in general, but redistricting is a big thing
here in this state and it's in others as well.
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Speaker 3 (02:25):
Bo By again.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
He's a Democrat running for Secretary of State here in
the state of Indiana.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Bo, welcome to the program, Sir, how are you.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Today, and do really well to Thanks for having me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Hey, it's my pleasure to have you.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
As I told you when we first connected here, I
appreciate you coming on the program today because I've invited
a lot of other Democrats to discuss issues like this,
and many most turned down the invitation. You've accepted that,
and I respect that a whole lot.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Bo.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Our audience, as you know, is primarily concernedvative, primarily Republican,
and but the brand of.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
What I do is conservative, not bitter.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So I told you I was raising a union Democrat
household myself, and I want you to know that I'm
going to treat you fairly but also ask fair direct questions.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And let's start here. If that's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
What made you want to come on a conservative talk
show and talk about redistricting with this audience today.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yeah, Well, as you mentioned, I'm running for Secretary of
State in Indiana. I'm not running to be the secretary
of State of just the Democrats in Indiana. I'm runing
to represent everyone in this office. And we have a
lot of conservative, great conservative voters in our state, and
so I have an obligation running for this office to
reach out to them, to try and find areas where
we agree and to listen to their concerns. So I'm look,
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I will talk to anyone from anywhere, of any pocal party.
That's kind of my mantra in this race. That's just
who I am as a person. I think it's just
a shame the way that we separate ourselves into teams
so often our politics, it's just becomes triable and partisan,
and I think that really is a disturb us to
the people of our great state. We should just recognize
the things that we have in common, right you know,
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I was reading a little bit about your show. You
said it's a faith driven podcast. I'm a man of faith.
There are things in our life in fact, that we're
all Americans, that we all want a better future, park families,
that we're for you and me, That we have our
Christian faith that should bond us that are far more
important than any political divide may have. So yeah, I'm
just happy to come on and have this discussion with you.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Todd Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You've publicly called for this mid cycle redistricting Indiana. You've
called that, I should say, I think you said it's
just wrong. I wanted you to walk us through your
main objections, be it procedural objections, ethical, practical, whatever those are.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
What are your objections to this bo Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Well there's a few. And look, I don't think it's
the right thing to do in Indiana. But let me
just say, Todd, I don't think this is the right
thing to do in California, and I think it's ridiculous
that it's happened in Illinois for the longest time. It
doesn't for me. This is not a is an issue.
It doesn't matter what political party is doing. This jerry
mendering like this, where politicians decide who their voters are
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to basically make our elections non competitive, is just wrong
because we should, to the extended as possible, have everyone
have an equal say in our representatives and our Republican democracy. Right.
We want people's vote and voice to count in our elections.
And when you have a bunch of politicians in the
state out here in Indiana or in the state House
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in Illinois deciding who is going to elect them, they
can change the maps in such a way where they
really don't have to take the people's interests into account
when they're running campaigns, and that decreases accountability among our
elected officials. It decreases competition in our elections, which can
produce some more extreme results in democratic states and Republican states.
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I think that competition in business is a good thing
because it produces better results for consumers, It produces better goods,
it drives costs. And it's interesting in politics too, because
when you have two competing reasonable parties that are you know,
forging policy and compromising on some things and you know,
having to to you know, just compete strongly, that's going
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to produce a better result for voters. So I'm all
about competition. I'm all about people having a fair say
in our government. And this is going to do a
lot just to further degrade the trusts that we have
in our democracy. And you know that as you know,
it's that's at an all time low. And that's it
doesn't matter what political party you're in. People just today,
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I mean, look, I'm getting around the whole state. I'm
listening to people, the Republicans, Democrats, independence. One of the
number one issues I hear Todd is that and this
is true of any people from both political parties, is
that they just don't have a ton of trust in
their elected officials or in our democratic processes. What is
this going to do to that trust? It's only going
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to further erode it. When people say, look, these folks
in the state legislature are just going to draw the maps,
so my vote doesn't really count. I mean, that's doesn't
do a whole lot to rebuild the broken bonds of
trust that are really hurting our country in our state.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So when it comes to jerrymandering, so let's talk a
little bit about that. I mean, I hear what you say,
and I want this.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
This is you know, every ten years, you know, I mean,
you know this, the audience knows this. We take this
census and we redraw the districts based upon whether or
not we gain population or however that works, right, based
upon the total population of the country from the census.
This is a mid kind of middle of the term thing,
but it is a political process.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Bough.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
My position is if voters don't like what's done, they
can hold the legislature politically responsible. You think that there's
more to it than that, and if so, what.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
What what else? What else is there?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I guess well, two things. First, if we continue down
this path and we have did a decade redistricting eventually,
that gets us to a place where we're just going
to do this over two years, right, And that's just
from a workability standpoint, that becomes a little tough to
just redraw these maps with not a whole lot of
new data. You mentioned that you know, we take in
data from the census years, I mean restructure our at
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least in theory, we restructure our maps in accordance with
that data. We're doing this over two years without new data.
That just makes it from a practicability standpoint, pretty hard
to do. But another thing you mentioned, okay, I take
your point that, Okay, if we do this, if the
state legislature moves ahead with this, and the voters will
have an opportunity to vote them out if they if
they don't like it. But the problem with that argument, Todd,
is that if the state legislature draws our maps in
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a way where their seats are safe, where they actually don't,
they cannot be held accountable because they just pick their voters,
and they know that the voters they're pick and they're
going to vote for them no matter what they do.
Then then you know they're probably safe no matter what
they do, and they're not going to be held accountable.
And that's true, by the way, go ahead, Well, no, I.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Don't want to interrupt you. I try to give as
much time to you. I just want to go ahead
and finish your thought. But I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
No, I was just going to say that this is
bad in blue states too. Look, if we continue down
this race to the bottom, if this is replicated in
other places in the country, like California with this ballot
proposition that's being voted on, then we will reach a
place in our country toide where we just have completely
read states and congressional delegations and completely blue states. And
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what will that produce. That will produce politics where the
general election is completely determined in our primary system. And
you're a student of politics, you know that primaries tend
to produce more extreme They favor more extreme candidates because
it's more it's more of the base that's turning out
in the primary elections, and so that will produce more
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extreme politics, not just in the Republican Party, but in
the Democratic Party too. And so I would ask your listeners,
do they want more extreme Democrats running for office? I'm
tired of more extreme Democrats running for office. I think
that we ought to have nonpartisan people to the extend
its possible, try and work with each other, try and
form compromise, trying to help people. That should be our
first goal as elected officials is how do we help
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the people we represent, not how do we change our
elections to just get elected into perpetuity without accountability. That
doesn't seem like a good priority for me.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Two things, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So one is the state legislature is changing the US
Congress district maps. So this wouldn't secure The maps that
they draw would not secure their election because they're securing
or you know that they're they're drawing districts for representatives
that would be at the federal level that.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Are not these folks.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Unless there's something I'm missing, correct me if I'm wrong, bo,
But I mean there's no other lessure.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Okay, So number two, I guess my question would be,
and I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Look, my family and I we sold our home, we
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Speaker 3 (10:55):
And it's remarkable to me.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I say on the program at half tongue in cheek, right,
I say, eighty percent of this country would agree with
eighty percent of the things I say.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think that there is truth in that. I think
you and I, if we sat down, there's gonna be
We're going to have a lot of agreement on some stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I believe this, I think. And to your point, I
see what you're saying. Allowing this to happen could lead
to more partisanship. But I also think, isn't the extreme
part of partisanship we're already seeing kind of fueling this
to begin with? Because from someone like my perspective, I think,
and you correct me if I'm wrong. I don't want
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to put words in your mouth, and I do want
to get your thoughts on this. But the Democrat Party
of your dad and your grandfather, it's different today, and
I'm not here. Look, I'm not here to defend the
Republican Party, and I'm not expecting you to defend everything
about the Democrat Party. At the end of the day,
we're humans that have to make individual choices as to
where we align and all that. But I think you know,
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some of this extreme stuff that we've seen from say
the extreme you know, trans agenda, some of these Zoron
Mandani is a I mean an open democrat socialist. These
things are threatening, I think to the core of our
of our republic. And I think, who's your Democrat in
many instances today is not the same thing as a
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California Democrat, but they end up voting for the same
leadership in Washington. And I think that that partisanship fuels
this as well. I mean, where do we Where do
you agree with what I just said?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Where?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Where do you disagree? Tell me your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, so at first, let me you brought up a
good point. I just want to correct myself. You said
that the state legislature will not be changed as a
result of this those districts. That's correct. I was making
the point of the party that is doing this will
not be unaccountable or sorry, because you know, the people
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in Congress are changing their district So I want to
just want to share myself on that. So, look, I
take your point. Uh, it is just that's that's a
shame how much partisanship plays into our politics. I think
that compromise should not be a dirty word. And look,
you just mentioned that you and I agree on a
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lot of things. I'm sure that's the case. I'm sure
your listeners and I agree on some stuff. We should
be able to find things that we agree on to
deliver results for people. And the good thing about if
I could just pivot a little bit to talk about
the race that I am running for, the good thing
about this office, the Secretary of State's office, is that
it's not partisan. Right that you're in charge of handling
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the elections, of investing securities, proud of registering new businesses,
and of regulating the car dealerships, and none of those
things is partisans So it's just look, I think we
got to get back to a place in this country
where we have two strong, reasonable political parties that are
competing and that are willing to work with each other.
And I maybe that's a little naive of me, and
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I understand that. I take your point that you know,
intense partisanship is what kicked off this whole race to
the bottom and the first instance, but that's not an
excuse for just continuing down the path. Right at some point,
we've got to stand on principle here and just say
that this is not right. And like I said, it
doesn't matter whether it happens, and it's wrong in Illinois.
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That's wrong what they're doing. What they do in Illinois,
it's just enfranchising a bunch of conservative voters down state.
In Illinois. I feel like they don't have a saying
their state government that's not the right thing to do. Sure,
And it's funny. It's funny because this is one of
the only times I've ever heard folks in Indiana saying
that we should be more like California and the way
that they do things. Right, We're more like Illinois in
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the way that they do things. Usually people in Indiana
are aren't saying, look at those folks that are in California,
they're doing things right way right.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I'm on with Bo Bye, he's running for Secretary of
State here in the state of Indiana. We're talking about
redistricting and kind of the larger political I guess landscape
that we have today. You know, Bo, when I went
to Butler, I studied political science there, and my when
I think of jerry mandering, and maybe it's nuanced or
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maybe I'm off a degree here, but I always understood
jerry mandering. As you know, it's one of those things
the Supreme Court ruled on years ago on uh GE
like material right and one of the.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well the court the case where they ruled, and you know.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
About this more than I as a as an attorney,
but the someone one of the justices basically said, I know, pornography,
there we go. When I see it, I can't necessarily
certainly define it. I kind of feel the same way
about jerrymandering, you know, because I've see, you know, one
of those districts in Illinois.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's really it's drew.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's drawn specifically to connect cities where they think they
can get more Blue votes. I think it's one of
the things. We know it when we see it. But
I reject the notion that we have that any district
is either Republican or Democrat. If they're if they're fairly
drawn and not extremist, I guess I would ask you
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what other how else do you define it?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Again, I know what when I see it, if it's
some ridiculous shape that goes from city to city, or
you know, just zigs and zags.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Our districts are pretty you know, uniform in shape.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
You know, they're bigger and smaller debate based upon the
population density.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But what else are we looking for?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
House do we say this is you know, just inappropriate,
this is this is crossing a line because you still
have to win the votes in that district.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And if it's not extreme, like, what else are we
looking for? I guess is my question?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, look, you know what, when you see it, you're
exactly right. I mean, we have a Democratic congressman here
in Marion County where I live, and the maps, at
least that I've seen floated, are going to cut Marion
County in a bunch of different ways and basically remove
him from his seat. And look, I don't want to
get into a scussion about the merits of whether or
not we agree with him. I'd imagine a lot of
your listeners strongly disagree with him on policy. But what
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we can agree, at least, I would hope, is that
politicians shouldn't be making the decision about whether or to
remove him. Right, And in effect, that is what Jerry
Meandering does. It takes power out of the hands of
the voters to decide who their elected officials are, and
it places it in the hands of one hundred and
fifty people in the state legislature. That to me, Todd,
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It's just it doesn't make sense, man. And maybe maybe
I'm like overly idealistic and about this issue. And politics
is a rough and tumble business and you do whatever
it takes to win. I understand people where they're coming
from when they make that argument, but there are certain
things in politics that you have to be principled on
and this is just not the right thing to do.
And like I said, it's not partisan, doesn't matter where
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it's happening.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Help me understand if so let's say, let's say Marion
County is split.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Let's say.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
What I hear what you're saying. There's a part of
me that says, you know, I relate and can see that.
But who says Marion County has to be together?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I mean, why why is it?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
You know, this is not something you and I You
said you share a faith. Uh, we're Christian. We both
believe in the God of the Bible. I mean, there's
nothing like that's a moral thing that says a district
has to be in this area or you know even
this shape again we know one that's when it's too
funky and it's just obviously trying to manipulate the system.
(18:25):
But what is it I get again, my question would
be why why do we why can we not split
Marion County?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Why? I mean, maybe there's an obvious reason, tell me,
just give me your feedback.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Well, look in states that do this, that redistrict in
a bipartisan manner, which California. I mean, there's life problems
with California, don't get me started. But they did that
to their credit, and they're trying to change this now,
which I think is a shame. But they had a
bipartisan Redistricts and Commission which trying through these districts in
a fair way. So what does that mean toime? That
means that you look at the communities of interests they
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call it, people that are kind of in the same
neighborhood that share, you know, the same facilities, that are
just around each other all the time. And you say,
how do we apportion representation where you know someone who's
representing this community. And so I know that's a little marky,
but like some of the maps I've seen floated, have
folks in Marion County in the same district as people
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way down or way up in Fort Wayne and stuff
like that. So what does look to voters in Marion
County and voters in Allen County have some things in common?
Of course, of course they do. But do voters like
it's currently constructed where just essentially this congressional district encompasses
most of Marion County, The voters just in Marin County,
I have more in common with each other. Yeah, they do,
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And I think we can both say that. So Marion County,
Indianapolis is a heavily democratic city. It's a heavily democratic county.
I mean, I don't you probably know the results of
the mayors mayor election better than me, but I think
you know the mayor won by close to twenty percent, Right,
it's kind of inverse of the rest of the state.
So can we in good faith say that the congressional
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district that in company know, if they're splitting Marion County
up in these ways, that it should have a representative
from the opposite party given the results of the largest
city in that county. I mean, I don't know we
can get into the minutia of this, but I think
it looks at the end of the day, we have
to ask ourselves what does this do to our faith
in our democracy? And if we don't we live in
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a conservative stated, you know that, but that doesn't mean
that we all think the same way about every issue.
There are all people here that disagree on some things,
and so we have ask to ourselves, are we willing
to just completely take them out of the process, because
that is an effect what will happen here? And I
don't think actually that will have a good result for
conservatives either, because, like I said, conservatives benefit from a
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reasonable opposition party, because if you don't have competition, you see,
there's no accountability, and if there's no accountability, you see
the results like we've been seeing. Diego Morales is the
current victory of state. This guy is hiring his family members,
He's taking trips all over the world that doesn't tell
us who's paying for them. He's given out millions of
dollars in taxpayer money to his donors and no big contracts.
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Those are not the actions that people take when they
fear repercussions from elections. He doesn't because there's no competition
in our state. And so we have to ask ourselves,
is that we want that replicated? Throughout the whole state.
I don't And it's not a partisan thing. It doesn't
matter what political party you're in. I want to let
the officials that feel a little bit accountable to the voters.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Right, So, well, yeah, we absolutely do. They still have
to win elections no matter where they are. This isn't
you know, one of the dangers here? And I just
have a minute, Bo, and I'll say I can't speak
to any of that about Diego Morales in fact, and
you saying that will probably invite him on the show
and have him respond to those allegations.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
If he wants to talk to me ask him to,
I'd have to be happy to.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, we'll see what we can do there. But just
have I mean less than a minute. Are there are
there larger political issues? What are your concerns moving forward?
As a Hoosier who's getting into politics here? I got
to wrap up in thirty seconds, Bo, But what are
your concerns?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
So my main concern is the amount of insider dealing
in the corruption that we've seen in our state government, Todd,
and it's not part of Diego Morales is not bad
because he's a Republican. He's bad because he uses his
position to benefit himself, and that's bad. Whether Democrats or
Republicans are doing it. I'm learning to root that out.
If people believe in better government, if people believe in
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accountability for bad acts from our politicians, then I would
ask your voters to excuse me, your listeners to take
a hard look at this race and keep an open mind,
and I will always listen to them. And I think
we agree in a lot more than they may think.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, Bo, I appreciate it. I'm simply out of time.
I commend you for coming on. Good conversation. Thank you
very much. That's Bo Bye, who is running for Secretary
of State here in the state of Indiana. My friends,
I've got to take a time out. You're listening here
to the home of conservative not better Talk. I'm your host,
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Speaker 3 (24:36):
I do think again, I've shared this before.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
You know.
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I had one joker out there, one joker who said
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to this program for your length of time and that's
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that we were doing here. This seems like a completely
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one of the things he did better than what I've
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Speaker 3 (25:38):
Actually some of them weeks to come. But they're designed
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Speaker 2 (25:48):
You know, I just don't want an echo chamber. I
know many of you we agree on a whole lot
of things, and that's great. We got to take what
we the message of truth, and we've got to get
it in front of people where they are so that
they can receive the truth.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Again, I don't mean to apply that we have it
all figured out.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
If you listen to this program for a length of time,
you might say Todd might have it all figured out.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
But the point here is is to say, we've got
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ways to get this in front of the right people
because they're being inundated with lies and deception and you know,
all sorts of stuff that's not pushing in the direction
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a lot of these politicians don't want you to know
the truth. They like things just as they are. And
I don't include bo and that bo is a younger guy.
This is down as name into politics here. I personally,
I mean I like Bo. I just I cannot wrap
my head around voting for someone who's calling themselves a
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Democrat today because the party has gone absolutely off the rails.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
It has.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
It's gone off the rails. It's not the party of
evan By, it's not the party of birch Buy. I
don't know why anybody would associate with that party today
just because of how far it's gone. So a couple
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I understand what he's what he's saying, and there is
there are things that I think fairly we need to
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think about as we head down this path towards redistricting.
You've already heard me say, I think that Indiana should
do this. We had Micah Beck with on last week
Lieutenant governor talking about this thing, this very issue. We
might maybe all invite Governor Braun on. I don't know
who we'll who we'll have on here, but the bottom
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line is, folks, we're going to fight for the survival
of this constitutional republic. Bow brings up points that I
think we absolutely should be should be aware of and
keep in mind.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I also think that we have to understand what we're
up against.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And the Democrat political machine has gone so off the
rails and they've done this think about it this way.
They've maximized the seats that they can pick up, and
a lot of the blue states they've already maximized it.
And now suddenly this is something that they want to stop.
And to BOE's credit, he criticized what they had been
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done in Illinois, for example, as well. I've not seen
yet any maps. I don't know if there's any such
map that we can rely upon just yet. This in
the state of Indiana is going to be a process
to get there. But you know, there's ideas that are
being floated around. But again, there's something to be said.
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Obviously when you put together a district you're trying to find,
you know, you want commonalities, You're looking for people who
share in a community.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
But to say again I just to say that you
have to keep a county together, I don't. I don't
think that that's true.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Now, maybe the voters do, and they can vote the
people out if they don't agree with how they split
the state up. But there's not a blueprint that says
this is how a district needs to be shaped. You know,
is a rectangle? Is a long north south rectangle unacceptable?
But a more of a square shape is? I mean,
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is there any configuration that you know? Do we follow
the paths of rivers and highways? Do we stick with counties?
I mean, how do you how do you say that
this is the right the right mix the right boundaries,
fully understanding that the intent here is to is to
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politically give an advantage to the people.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Drawing the maps.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And I didn't have time to talk with bo about this,
but he mentioned this nonpartisan or bipartisan whatever, California Commission.
I don't listen. I know for some people, when you
hear those words, that sounds like the right thing. First
of all, there's never anything that's nonpartisan. It just doesn't exist.
It doesn't exist. I tell you, on this per I
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in conservative principles and values. Most importantly, I'm someone who
believes in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and I want
to communicate these these messages. I am trying to advance
those things. I'm trying to share those things. I'm trying
to get people to accept those things. I am as
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fair as I know how to be. To the other side,
I can have atheists on here. We've had eighth and
atheist on here before. Maybe we'll do more of that
as well. But the bottom line is, the bottom line
is you can still be fair while having an agenda.
But to say it's nonpartisan is a stretch.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
And I don't. I just don't believe that stuff. Don't.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I don't have faith in government just because people are
all smiling and shaking hands. Then you've got that's where
the idea of the uniparty talk comes into place. So
there's not just a simple solution to this. I can
be sympathetic and understand some of the points he made
while all so saying at the.
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End of the day.
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I know, look, we've talked a lot about Indiana today.
That is my home state. But this is happening all
across the country.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's either happened in your state before, maybe happening now,
or could be happening in the not too distant future.
This talk of redistricting Texas has done at California, is
in the process of doing at Missouri. I think North Carolina, Indiana.
There's a lot of states that are about that are
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thinking behind it because it may become an issue. It
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Speaker 3 (35:01):
Not it's growing at below or above overall.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
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state doesn't gain or lose just based upon where the
population of your state has moved to. If a certain
city is growing, you might see a district have to
change shape to accommodate that because roughly you want the
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going to put in today's newsletter. A I think I'm
going to put a poll. I haven't done this yet,
but we'll put a poll. I want to know what
you think. Do you think that we should be or
that your state, any state, should be redistricting, or do
you think it's out of bounds. Do you think it's
not a good idea? Because the truth, my friends, is
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that this matters on a not just in Indiana. It
matters in a lot of states today, and it's going
to continue to matter. I referenced earlier. I wanted to
make sure I said this. That's what I was scrolling
here too as I was talking there. I have rules
for my interviews. For the interviews here. First of all,
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Rule number one, an invitation is not an endorsement. I
am not endorsing bo Bye for Secretary of State. I
wanted to talk with Ooh Bye bo Bye. I want
to talk with people that we agree with, that we
disagree with. I want to have all people on here,
because that's how you get the truth my friends, the
guest gets to that's number two.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Hopefully.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yes, I can get a little long winded, I know,
but it's part of the job. It comes with the territory.
But I really try to let the guests speak as
much as possible. I want to listen. I want to
let them explain their position to you, and I've got
time afterwards if they don't have, if we haven't secured
the entire program to talk about things, I've got time
afterwards to tell you what I think about it. So
(38:25):
that's why we want to let the guest speak as
much as possible.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
I won't be anyone's pond. I didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean, listen, he's running in a race. I didn't
much care for the what he was saying about Diego Morales.
I can't speak to that. It's one of the reasons
why I immediately thought, as he was talking, will at
least extend an invitation to Diego to see if he
wants to address those things. You know, again, it's hard
(38:51):
to manage all these details, but that's my thinking there.
And then number four, perhaps most importantly, you know, my
job is not to win elections. My job is to
pursue truth. I'm not just going to be a banner
carrier for the Republican Party. I believe in conservative principles
(39:14):
and values. I believe that those are needed. We have
to return to those. We're in the midst of a
great Cold civil war here, my friends, well for the
ability to politically shape this nation for I mean years
to come. Our republic truly is hanging in the balance here,
my friends. It's not my job to win elections. It's
(39:36):
the job of politicians. If I invite somebody on here
and they say things that resonate with the listener, the
other side better better come on or whatever and articulate
or campaign to explain why they're the better candidates.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
But my job is to get to truth. My job
is to get the truth.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I do think as of right now that means that
we want as many Republicans elected as possible. But listen,
I'm not here again to just say that the Republicans
are the answer, because sometimes they're not. Been some terrible
Republican candidates too. Republicans, Listen, they're not without blame with
(40:18):
a lot of what we're facing today, but they've not
left the world of reality. That's what's happened to the
Democrat Party. It has gotten so insane, and that's I
wish I could have asked Evan or excuse me, bow Bye,
to talk a little bit more about that, because I
don't know if you're reasonable today. I don't know how
you can embrace the party enough to run as one
(40:40):
of its candidates.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I think that that's absolutely ludicrous. But again I appreciate
him coming on. I've got to go out of time,
as you can tell.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
SDG
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