44 - Carla Walker with Crime Door

Join me and Paige from Reverie True Crime as we explore the brutal 1974 murder of 17 year old Carla Walker. This episode is in collaboration with Crime Door (https://crimedoor.com/), an AR crime scene app that allows users to take a 360 look at famous crime scenes.

I would also like to point out that Carla's family have worked closely with Neil & Lauren of Crime Door to create Carla's door. I would not be presenting this episode to you if Carla's family had not consented and were not happy with her case being presented in this format.



Thank you to Paige from Reverie True Crime for writing this script & agreeing to record with me and thank you to Crime Door for partnering with me for this episode. Watch this space, Crime Door will be making another appearance very soon.



Sources -

CrimeDoor
Fort Worth Texas Star Telegram
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/77-year-old-suspect-indicted-in-1974-cold-case-murder-of-carla-walker/2476621/
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article251384453.html
https://heavy.com/news/carla-walker/
https://meaww.com/46-year-old-cold-case-cheerleader-carla-walker-resurfaces-hopes-dna-oxygen-abducted-killed-sex

Episode Transcript

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Good evening friends. I'm your host, Emma, and you're listening to the
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I'm eternally grateful for you all.This episode contains graphic content, and
listener discretion is advised. With thatin mind, let's get into the episode.
This is episode forty four carl A. Walker, and this week I
have a very special guest. Ifyou'd like to introduce yourself. Ah,
thank you, Emma, And firstof all, just thank you for having

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me on your show. And I'vebeen a big fan of yours for such
a long time, so I'm justreally grateful to be here. Thank you
for having me. That's all right, thank you for agreeing to be on.
I'm super excited for this. Iam too. And this week's episode
is a little bit different because it'sa partnered episode and me and Paige have

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partnered with the app called crime Door. Now. Crime Door is an AAR
app that allows you to walk aroundcrime scenes in pretty much real time.
It's an incredible app, And I'dlike to point out that all of the
crime scenes and all of the footageand curren scene photos that have been put
together for this app have been providedby police and family. So crime Door

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work with the victims families. Theydon't just you know, do about asking
them, They get permission, Theytalked to them, and they collaborate on
it. So if this was anapp that hadn't have worked with the victims
families, we would not be promotingthis and representing this to you. I
totally agree. You know, that'sone thing about crime Door. They always

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want families to reach out to themand put a spotlight on these cases because
so many families deserve it. There'sso many cases on crime Door that I
had never heard of before, soyou know, I'm really interested now to
see what their stories are. Soyeah, if you're out there and you

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know you have crime seen photos andcase files and things like that that you
can email to them, they wouldbe so happy to work with you.
And the owners of the app andzig who does all of like the market
in the pr They are so friendly. So if you have a crime that

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you want featured, reach out tothem or reach out to one of us,
and we can totally recommend that theyput it on there. Definitely.
So without further ado, let's getinto the case of Carla Walker. Carla
John Walker was just seventeen years old, standing at four feet eleven and was

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one hundred and five pounds with longblond hair, blue eyes, and was
known to her family as a littlespitfire. Carla was the all American girl
next door, a student who wasvery popular and a cheerleader at Western Hills
High School. Carla had a boyfriendnamed Rodney McCoy. He was a white

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male, approximately ten inches tall,and he was a starting quarterback for the
Western Hills Cougar football team. Theyhad just been at a high school Valentine's
Day dance, and on February seventeenth, nineteen seventy four, they were sitting
in the car together at Ridgeley,Ridgeley, Ridgeleia, I think it might
be Ridgeley. I don't know,I don't know. I know that Americans

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and Brits like if I saw thatthat's Ridgely to me, but I know
in the US might be different,but I would probably say Ridgeley too,
which is a bowling galley in FortWorth. This bowling galley was a typical
hangout spot for young people he stayedon the show The DNA of Murder.
From what I remember, we weretalking and we started kissing, and she

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was leaning up against the door,and the door just jerked open. Carla
was then grabbed from the car.Rodney tried to save his first love from
the grip of a killer and receiveda brutal pistol whipping for his efforts,
losing consciousness, The last thing heremembered hearing was Carla begging the killer to

(04:54):
stop hitting him in the head.She said, I'll go with you,
just please stop hitting him. Accordingto Rodney, the man not only pistol
whipped him, but also tried topull the trigger of the gun a few
times, but thankfully the gun neverwent off. Rodney was not unconscious and

(05:14):
blood was pouring from his head andall down into his face, but when
he came to they were gone.Carla had been kidnapped. He said.
The perpetrator was a clean cut,slender man about twenty years old with short
wavy hair, and he had aTexas straw. Now I had to look
up what a Texas straw was,and it is like the very very stereotypical,

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very strong Texas accent. Rodney stated. The man was about five foot
eleven and wearing a shiny green sleeplessvest and an off white cowboy hat,
very fitting for Texas. Rodney drovestraight to Carla's parents house to alert them
of what had happened. When theysaw the blood on Rodney, they just

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immediately call an ambulance to get there. So whilst Carla's mother, Charlene had
called an ambulance, Carla's father hadsped after the Bowling Galley, which was
the last place that Carlo has seen. He was pounding and knocking on the
door, but sadly they were closed. The only item the police found at

(06:24):
the Bowling Galley parking lot was herpurse. Now this is an interactive episode,
so I will give you a momentto go to your app store download
the app called crime Door, andyou can search for carl A Walker's crime
scene. So let's let's give thema minute. Yeah, So once you

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get into the app, you cansort of scroll down find the carl a
walker door, open it up,and follow the instructions over to you page.
Okay. So Carlo's fame waited anxiouslyto hear any breaking news for a
few days while police were searching everywherefor their daughter. There were searches by

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foot, horseback cars, and helicopters. Carlo's body was found on February twentieth,
nineteen seventy four, by officers SteveP. Nooncster and Darryl R.
Thompson inside a six feet tall cattlecovert, which was a drain beneath a

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country road near Lake Benbrook in TarrantCounty, on Pearl Ranch Road, which
is point eight miles east of Highwaythree. Seventy seven. Carlo's brother Jim
told the Star Telegram that he rememberedquote hearing his mother screaming, and Rodney

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said that he collapsed to the floorover the news. Her body was laying
down in the leaves and dirt withher arms at her sides. Her feet
were facing towards the entrance of thecalvert, and her face was towards the
other end. Carlo's body was halfwaythrough the calvert on the right side.

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There were marks in the dirt whereher body had been dragged. It was
later determined that she had been sexuallyassaulted before she was murdered and strangled.
The toxicology report also found that morphinehad been administered into her system. Thank

(08:39):
you, Page. So, ifyou want to grab your phone, I'm
gonnu activate Carla's door and if you'relistening to this episode with us, pull
up your phone, activate Carla's adoor and then you can sort of follow
along in real time with me andPage as we walk through a horrific and

(09:00):
very sad Yeah, it is verysharking too, So you know, if
you don't want to see pretty mucha it's not a real photo, but
it is still it's still sharking,you know. So if it's not something
you want to do with us,you can just hear us talk about it

(09:20):
whichever you'd like to do. Yeah, it's it's like a three D rendering
made out of crime scene photos.But if it's something that's going to be
triggering for you or you think itwill be too upset and please, you
know, don't upset yourself. Don'tput yourself in that position. You know,
you can just skip through the nextpart of the episode. All like
pages that just listened to us aswe speak through it. So when you

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first enter Carlo's crime scene at theculvert, you walk straight for a little
bit and then you turn to theright. We're walking over and you can
see that a beer bottle was foundon the right side of the culvert by
a barbed wire fence. Yeah,and the neat thing about this is you
can tilt your phone up like towardsyour ceiling and tilt it back down and

(10:07):
you can see like the whole beerbottle. You don't just see like,
um, what would what you wouldthink is like a one D photo of
a beer bottle. You could lookall around it. It's it's so weird.
You can look all around the covertand the outside of it. It

(10:28):
is just it's like Pokemon go forfor crime. It's it's really it's really
interesting. It's incredible. So I'mjust using a little joystick to look at
the beer. I'm sort of tiltingmy phone up and tiltling it down.
It looks like it was possibly Budweiserfrom what I could make out, but
the little joystick and then just tiltingup you can see the sky. You

(10:50):
can look directly on the floor.It's the development that has gone into this
up is nothing short of incredible.Yeah, I totally agree. I can't
wait to talk to Neil and Laurenand ask them, like, how do
y'all do this? Like walk methrough it. I would love to know
how they actually make this happen.It is mind blowing, Like how far

(11:15):
we have come in terms of likeforensics and technology to crime scenes. This
this is incredible, Like, thisis a tool that I could see possibly
used in a cult case. Itcould you know, it might prevent crime
scene photos being exposed to juries,although they are important for context of a
crime scene. This will help,you know, allow a jerry to have

(11:35):
a three dview, have like anaccurate you are there moment is It's an
incredible tool and they should be soproud of what they're doing. I agree
absolutely. And one of the biggestthings is they are getting tons of tips
from people who are going through thesecrime doors and their goal is to solve

(11:58):
a crime because there are so manypeople out there, like we saw on
Don't f with Cats on Netflix.I mean, you have people that are
super smart and they can see thingsthat maybe you know, investigators may have
missed and their biggest hope is tojust solve a crime one day, and

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I think, um, with theDelphi murders, that was one of the
cases that um, someone kind ofrecognized the face, I want to say,
and that is how you know.The that was kind of brought to
light two was was by the app. So I just thought that was crazy,

(12:45):
amazing, and I just spend literalI was just chrom It's just it's
an incredible app. I'm in lovewith it. Well obviously, yeah,
so good, yes, And ifyou okay, if you pan back to
your left a little and you startwalking towards the entrance. Now, they're

(13:05):
supposed to be a light colored comb, but I swear I looked everywhere and
I couldn't find it. But Ithink it's there somewhere. It just I
couldn't find it. So if y'allfind it, y'all can let us know.
But I could not find it,and I looked forever. But you

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can see the Budweiser beer can that'sinside the culvert, and it's on the
left side entrance and you can lookall around it. So I'm sorry,
I just got so caught up andlooking through the alp I apologize it has
been walking straight. We can ladysee Cola and sadly she's laying on the

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ground and as you approach her atthe time, you can see what she
was found wearing. So she wasfrom wearing a light blue uncle length dress
with lay spraut and a gold ringon her right hand and a delicate gold
watch on her right wrist, aswell as what appears to be a gold

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bracelet on her right wrist. Andthe app does a good job of categorizing
and displaying the bruising around her lowerextremities, her head and her neck.
And as previously mentioned, you canlift your phone up to get you know,
if you want to look and atop down view or if you want
to look at it from a differentangle. Yeah looking yet you can get

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like a bird's eye view of herbody, which is just so fascinating to
be able to seem like you're standingright there looking and seeing what those investigators
and police we're seeing. It's Icannot imagine the poor police officers who discuss

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that's yeah, that's a very veryheavy discovery to make fishure. Yeah,
and it's just so heartbreaking to actuallysee her like this. We tell these
stories and we picture these things inour minds, and sometimes we do get
to see crime scene photos. Butwith crime Door, you're just able to

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virtually walk right into the crime scenesand examine them literally as closely as we
want to. And it really justtakes it to another level. And I
think it brings a more emotional connectionto these cases too, Like we're already
feeling emotionally connected to them when wewrite about them, I know, but

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when you see it, and Ithink it makes us see it in a
whole different light. It just bringsanother level to it. And then you
think about the family and how whenthey saw the real actual photos, just
the heartbreak and how much they sufferedexactly. That is the best, said

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baby girl. Yeah, like everyoneyou know, no matter how old you
are, to your parents, youwill always be their baby. And to
see you know that she was kidnapped, to went missing, and then to
have this conclusion in such a violentand brutal way, I cannot even begin
to imagine how the family must havefelt and still feel to this day.

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The pain never goes away. Yeah, I can't imagine it ever. I
mean, you can try to putyourself in someone else's shoes like that,
and you can empathize as much asyou can, but unless you experience it,
you could never know. And Ijust I don't wish this on anyone,

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Oh my goodness. And obviously youknow you can see, you know,
as many details as you want withthis app. You can see the
barettes in her hair, and youcan see how her hair is disheveled and
on her face, like Emma said, the bruising you can see very well.

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And the way that her gorgeous dresswas ripped to shreds and she was
dragged through this place and raped eitherhere or before they got there, and
it's just so tragic. I know. We have some pictures of her because
she had the dress on for theValentine's Day dance with her boyfriend, and

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we'll have to share those on Instagramso you guys can see this dress was
just so beautiful her she was beautiful, like she had this gorgeous hair.
I mean, it was just soso seventy so just like she feathered out.
It's like it's just when I saltthe fist all the picture of the

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first of Carla Walker, I waslike, wow, that is like um
fara falset that is very like seventiesTexas. Big hair, the big of
the hair, the closest to Godlike. Yes, instant, like Southern
woman. Instant. Absolutely, Oh, she is strikingly beautiful though, Like

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the hair just just everything is justvery Texas. Yes, she she is
definitely what you would picture as aTexas Southern vale for surely. So.
As mentioned before, Carla's family didwork on this crime door with Neil and
Lauren, and that is incredibly important. I would not be bringing this to

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you today if it hadn't been donewith their permission and their knowledge. I
think in true crime we get socaught up about the victim or the perpetrator.
Most of the time people focus onthe perpetuate and the victims get forgotten
about. But I think we getso caught up that we forget to take
a step back and think if Iwas in their shoes, would I want

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this? Would I want this onsocial media? Would I want someone to
say this or do this? SoI think talking about sensitive topics like this,
if you can get hold of thefamilies, you know, ask for
a bit of information. Consent iskey. It's really key because we have
to remember at the end of theday, these are real people. These
are real cases with real families whohave been ripped apart by horrific and violent

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crimes, and the least that wecan do is show respect to the victims
and to the people who have beenleft behind. Yeah, I absolutely agree
with everything you just said, Liketimes D totally agree. So before we
close out the episode, I'd alsolike to say thank you to Page for
writing this script for me. Youare an angel. Thank you so so

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much. I couldn't have done thiswithout you. Oh no, no,
no, all of it came fromthe you know, the crime Door podcast
deck that they were just so kindto send to us. I mean,
Paul Holes and the team. Theydo a wonderful job with this. And
you know, I did find acouple of things online that I felt I

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was like, well, this doesn'tseem like this is the whole story here,
so let me just kind of googleand see what I could find.
And so I ended up finding afew things about the where the case stands
now basically, and that is whatwe're going to go into. So there

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are some new developments in the case. And I'm sure if you follow like
tricrime Media, Trichrome News. Youwill have heard the fat Let's get into
it. Weeks after Carlin's tragic death, Please get interviewed. Amne named Glenn
McCurley. Please found a magazine ofa point twenty two good gun at the
crime scene and they looked into hadrecently purchased one, and of course Glenn

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McCurley had. Glenn told the policeat the time that someone had very conveniently
stolen his gun. According to thefot Worth Star Telegram, with the help
of Paul Halls and paralleled DNA sequencingATHROM laboratories who if you're not familiar with
aarthram paused the episode, take aminute going forward them on social media,

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donate wherever you can. They dosome of the most incredible work, and
I think they weren't an episode oftheir own. Definitely fought Worth detectives Leah
Wagner and Jay Bennett traced DNA fromCarla's clothing to none other than Glenn McCurley,
who was now married and a fatherof two, and it seems that

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he has no problem with living anormal life after what he did to Carla.
In July twenty twenty, authorities collectedsome trash out of Glenn's bin,
which led to testing the DNA onthe items collected. This is commonly known
as like a trash pole, Soif you ever see in an article referred
to as a trash pull, that'swhat they're doing. And amazingly, they

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were a match to the male DNAfound on Carla Walker's clothes. On September
tenth, twenty twenty, authorities wentto Glenn, now a father of two,
and his wife's home to talk toboth of them, and Glenn conveniently
such the same story that he toldin nineteen seventy four. He was so

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brazen and so confident in his ownlife that he agreed to give a DNA
sample, which would be the undoingof him. Almost a week later,
it was confirmed that the DNA matchedthe DNA that was found on Carla's bra.
Authorities got a warrant for capital murderand Glenn McCurley was taken into custody.

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Jail record Choe. Glenn was beingheld in the Tarrant County Jail on
a charge of capital murder on ahundred thousand dollar bond. You know what
is so shocking to me, though, is when these vicious people. They
have these humongous egos and they justvolunteer their DNA like they're not gonna get

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like it's somehow not going to bea match every town that happens. I'm
just like, how do you thinkyou're going to get away with that?
Just like absolute like illusions of grandeur, Like you know, he thinks that
he because he didn't get caught inseventy four, that he's never gonna get
caught. You know, they've notcaught me now, and they just they're
just so narcissistic and it's pretty stupid, Like it's very stupid on your part.

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You know, speak to a legalteam before you do anything like that.
But obviously they are so sure thatthey cannot be caught that they're just
like, oh whatever, yeah,yeah, it's it's unreal. And in
an interview from jail in the fallof twenty twenty, Glenn told the radio
station kr LD that he was quotedriving around drunk when he noticed Carla outside

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of the bowling alley. He wenton to say that she just gave me
a hug, and I gave hera kiss. I didn't mean to do
it. He said he saw Rodneyhit Carla, so he quote went over
there and opened the door and knockedhim off of her. Glenn said that
he pulled Carla from the car andthey talked. He said that Carla told

(24:41):
him quote, she was thankful forme getting him away from her. She
just gave me a hug. Igave her a kiss, and I mistook
it for something else. I didn'tmean to do it. Than I think
you didn't mean to kiss her likethis makes no sense. This just does
not sit right with me. Andalso, how much of this story can

(25:06):
I trust from someone who is justbeing convicted of murder exactly. That's all
well and good that you're telling meI didn't you know us that you didn't
mean to do it, But Idon't think I'm too far inclined to believe
someone who has just been arrested oncapital murder agreed. Carla's older brother,
Jim, who is legally blind,decided to become a fault Worth police officer

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days after Carla past He said ofGlenn's statement, quote, that's pretty telling
as well. I don't know whatthe defensive team strategy is going to be,
but we feel good and I'm notprivy to a lot of the forensic
evidence. But my understanding of theconversations is that we feel very solid with
all things considered. I personally feelvery comfortable end quote. I find it

(25:53):
strange how it appears from this he'sinvolved in his own sister's investigation, unless
he's just, you know, heardthings through the grape vine. I just
find it quite strange that he's allowedto be involved in the investigation. But
I'm not sure. Well, hedid say that he's not privy to a

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lot of the forensic evidence, sohis understandings of the conversations that are maybe
floating around. Maybe maybe he's notsuper involved, but I think that he's
just keeping an ear out to seewhat he can hear, you know.
Yeah, perhaps it's maybe sort ofthrough the grape vine, like Hey,

(26:36):
Glenn, did you not Glenn?Sorry Jim, Jim, did you hear
such and such or we're going forX, Y and Z. I think,
yeah, I think I maybe misinterpretedthat. But anyway, Carla's brother,
Jim, has not met Glenn McCurleyor even seen him in person.
Reportedly, he said he looks forwardto the chance to look him in the

(26:56):
eye in the courtroom and for thatI think Jim is a stronger person than
I am, because if I cameface to face with someone who would killed
my loved one in a courtroom oranywhere else, I don't know how much
restraint I would be able to show. He seems very composed and very Oh.

(27:18):
I agree me and my mom sinceI, you know, started the
podcast, and you know, Itell her all these stories and of course,
you know, we hear stories thathappen around us all of the time,
and she's just like, there's noway, there's no way, and
my Dad's like, you know,I would probably end up in jail prison
for murder, because like the waythese people can stand in front of these

(27:45):
vicious, evil humans in court andnot yeah and not just want to strangle
them to death, that is beyondme, beyond it is a great show
of character, just how strong thesepeople are. They people who have lost
a loved one and have to standthrough these trials think that they're not strong.

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But I swear to God, thatis the strongest thing that you could
do, because I don't know howI would remain composed through that, like
he said, I would, especiallyyou know, if it's an immediate family
member. That's his sister. Andyou know, you've got someone who's lost
a daughter. I mean, youknow, just just a whole family,

(28:30):
like ripped up all yeah, nothing, yeah. And like you said,
that's the strongest kind of person thereis is if you can go to a
courtroom and stand in front of yourloved one's killer and look them in the
eye without you know, doing somethingor just just looking at them, that
is the strongest thing I've I've everseen in my life. The pre trial

(28:57):
for the alleged killer of Collo Walkerhas been set for June sixteenth, twenty
twenty one, So in fifteen dayswe will know the outcome of Glenn mccurley's
trial. Carla's brother Jim, whohas been in communication with the district's attorney
office, said the trial may startAugust nineteenth of this year. Okay,

(29:21):
so the pre trial will be comingup in a few days. So what
exactly will be determined during the pretrial I wonder. I think pre trial
will determine whether I'm not too sureabout official like US legislation and stuff,
but I believe they will determine hiscompetency to stand trial, and I believe

(29:45):
they may determine whether the prosecution hasenough evidence to proceed with the conviction,
and you know, if it waslike a lawful conviction, like whether he
was ready. As Miranda rights,I think, I think you're right too.
I think that I just had acomplete brain fart and I just I
needed you to kind of like getmy brain back together for a minute.

(30:11):
I think that's what they'll put forward, Like prosecution will put forward like we
have like exhibit ABCD blah blah blah, blah blah, and then you know,
the colts might decide if the caseis suitable, it will go to
colt. That's what I believe anyone. I'm pretty sure it's what they do
in the UK. So the officialtrial the start or may stop August nineteenth,

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so by the end of the yearwe may finally have justice for Carlo.
It's just so amazing to hear becausethis case was cold for decades and
it's just unbelievable that Carla's case hasmore than likely been solved after all of
these years, and as we know, that doesn't happen often, especially after

(30:56):
so much time has passed. Sothis is really wonderful news. And you
know, Glenn is almost eighty yearsold now, so he won't even be
in prison long enough. I feelto suffer and to dwell on what he
did to Carla and what he putall of her loved ones through, because

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who knows how many more years oreven months maybe left, you know in
him. So the fact that hejust went about his life as if nothing
ever happened, getting married, havingkids after he's done something so unbelievable.
I don't understand how people like himcan live with themselves or sleep at night.

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Carla was not even given the chanceto experience life or have all the
things that this horrible man was ableto have. And I think that makes
me so angry that when when whenpeople, you know, they not only
take the lives you know of peoplein their twenties or thirties, you know,

(32:12):
but when you kill a child thathasn't even had a liver of a
chance to experience anything, You justripped away their whole teenage years, their
twenties, you know, they didn'teven get to start to live yet.
And I think child cases are justso I don't know, they're not more

(32:37):
important than any other cases, butthey hit me a lot harder for sure.
Yeah, it's the sort of innocencelost thing. It's the fact that
you know, this child does noteven have a chance to do anything like
I don't. Yeah, like yousaid, I don't understand how someone like
that can live with themselves, getmarried, to have kids of their own.

(33:00):
But I don't believe in God.But I think when he dies,
he will meet his makeup and hewill see his day of reckoning. I
think that he has probably spent many, many years living with the guilt of
what he did, and hopefully thathas torn him up inside and he will

(33:21):
meet his makeup. Yeah, Iagree with you. You know, I'm
not the most religious person, butyou know, I believe in karma,
and I don't think you can dosomething like that and not suffer somehow in
your life. So I just wonder, you know, did he fall into

(33:43):
an addiction or you know, didhe suffer in any kind of way afterwards
that you know, because he definitelyneeded to suffer in some kind of way
for what he did, so thankfully, you know, I hope. I
think the outcome is going to bepretty good since they do have the DNA

(34:05):
and that's a huge, huge part. So I really do hope that by
the end of this year, thatCarla can get justice and her family can
have some kind of peace. Yeah. For Carla's family, it's been a
long, uphill struggle, and nownot only has a case that called for

(34:28):
so many years, but now withthe trial coming, you know, this
year, that just brings up allof the emotions, all of the pain,
and all of the trauma, likethat Carla's family have to relive that
night in nineteen seventy four all overagain. But it's not just one day.
The trial can go on for weeks. It can go on for months.
They will spend months reliving these details. And I just hope that the

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outcome is a good one, becauseCarla deserves it, and so does Carla's
family. I agree. I can'teven I can't even say anything more than
that. I just I agree somuch with you, Emma, And I
think that Carla's case, from beingsolved after being called for so many decades,

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has given so many other people hope, Like offer them are such an
incredible company. And I think whenthe news of Carla's case being solved was
released that people around the US andaround the world had a collective sigh of
relief, like finally we have atool where my loved one, where this

(35:37):
child, where this person can finallyget justice. It doesn't matter how called
the cases. Right, We're coming, We're coming for you. You cannot
hide. And it's just like whenthe news broke about the Golden State killer.
I mean, my goodness, youknow that people can't they can't hide

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any more. You have too manypeople out there that are very, very
intelligent, and they will snoop andsnoop until they find you, you know.
And now we have crime Door,and that's going to be a huge
help. And exactly like like Iwant to go back to UNI and hopefully

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the UK government will approve genealogical researchfour cases like this, so hopefully I
will be able to help pioneer thatteam. But like crime door, crime
door is an incredible tool. It'sgoing to allow us to have the three
D view of the crime scene.It's going to allow police officers, crime

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scene investigation, legal experts that fullthree sixty view. The pictures just cannot
do pictures. Pictures are great,but pictures cannot provide you with that walk
around. And I think crime Dollis going to be a tool in the
future. And I wouldn't be surprisedif a case in the next x months
to a year uses crime door.I would not be surprised if yeah,

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oh yeah, me too. Andyou know, the first time I walked
through that colvert, it was sodark and I just felt like, oh
my god, I had chills walkingthrough that through the first time because I
was like, what if that wereme? And can you imagine like her

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last moments or if she even wasstill alive when she was drugged through there.
It's I just cannot imagine being pulledin through that place. Oh my
gosh, I just oh, itjust gave me chills when I went in
there for the first time. It'sit's terrifying. And also I'm just reading

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back through the script and she hadopiates in her system. Well, well,
the thing is is they found outthat she was injected with more exactly.
So if mccurley's that's what I wasthinking in the back of my mind.
I was like, wait, mccurley'sstories that they had a kiss,
they had a hog and it ledto something that he misinterpreted. But she

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also had morphine in her system whichwas injected, which to me suggests quite
the opposite because and you know,they must have done those toxicology tests pretty
fast because morphine can metabolize pretty quickly, or either that she'd being injected with
quite a large amount, so themorphine would have made her like very drowsy,

(38:38):
like very sleepy. So I'm absolutelydisgusted. Actually, he is a
monster through and through, and youknow, both him and the Golden State
Killer, they're both like ancient oldnow and that's what pisses me off.

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I'm like, yard don't even getto suffer enough for me, m hmm.
But it's all right because when theyyou know, like I said,
when they meet the Maker or whenthey go to whatever is in the afterlife,
I think I think they'll suffer.Plus I can't imagine they're going to
have a very easy time. Populationgeneral population kind of don't like people like

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them, especially because they're very highprofinitely definitely, So I hope they suffer
me to me, So thank youfor being on the episode. I'd like
to just read out my sources quickly, and it was sourced from crime Door,
who very very kindly sent over adeck of all of the information about

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Carla's case. The Fort Worth,Texas Star Telegram, NBC DFW dot com,
Star Telegram, and Heavy dot com. So, Paige, if you'd
like to let the listeners know wherethey can find you before we round out
this, absolutely, thank you,Emma. So, I have a podcast

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called Reverie True Crime and you canfind me on Twitter at Reverie Crime Pod
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nice five story review she'd done anshe did an excellent job of this podcast,

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and I listened to her podcast atnight because her voice is so soothing.
My fiance said the same thing.He was like, oh, that's
that's Southern voice, as I Iknow, that's that's so sweet because I
love listening to your voice and Ihave forever. And I'm telling you,
when you do your Reddit scary stories, I you keep me up at night

(40:52):
with those, so sometimes I haveto wait till the daytime to listen to
those. Let's get so much.No, but I feel like I rambled
a bit in your episode, andI'm so sorry. But when I just
have a million things in my mind, you know, it just it's hard

(41:13):
to put into words how you feel, and I just truly appreciate you having
me on your show and just Ihope your listeners enjoy and it has just
been a pleasure. Thank you somuch for coming on and helping me out.
You are truly an angel. Youare the sweetest person in no way

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