EP84 Empty Tomb Part 1

A special Apologetics episode with guest Clay Trader discussing the empty tomb.

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Episode Transcript

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In the end of the Sabbath.As it began to dawn toward the first
day that week, came Mary Magdaleneand the other marriage to the step,
and behold there was a great earthquake, and the Angel of the Lord descended
from heaven and came and rolled backthe stone from the door. And look,
what d you mean from King James? Yeah, yeah, it makes

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sense. You want me to reada different one, No, okay.
And his countenance was like lightning inhis raiment, white as snow. And
for fear of him did the keeper'sshape and became as dead man. The
angel answered and said him to thewomen, fear you not, for I

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know that you seek Jesus excrucified.He is not here, for he has
risen, as he said, comesee the place where it or as he
said, come see the place wherethe Lord lake, and go quickly and
tell us the cycles that he hasrisen from the dad. And behold he
got for you into gotta lead thereyou shall see him, lo I have
told you. And they quickly departedfrom the spark with fear great joy,

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and did run to bring his wordto the disciples. And as they went
to tell his disciples before Jesus meantthem, saying all hell. And they
came and held them by the feetworship. Then said Jesus unto him unto
them, be not afraid. Gotell my brethren that they go to Gottilee,
and there shall they see me.Now when they were going, behold
some of them. Some of thewatch came into the city and showed them

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to the chief priests all the thingsthat were done. And when they were
assembled with the elders and had takencounsel, they gave large money into the
soldiers, saying, say, hisdisciples came by night and stole him away
while we slept, and if thiscome to the governor's ears, we would
persuade him in security. So theytook the money and did as they were
talking. This thing is commonly reportedand too the Jews until this day,

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among the Jews and to the stay. Then the eleven disciples went away into
Gottie, into a mountain where Jesushad pointed them. When they saw him,
they worshiped him with some doubt it. And Jesus came and speak unto
them, saying, all power isgiven to me into heaven and in earth,
go you there for and teach allnations, baptizing them being able to
fother the Son and the Holy,teaching them to observe all things whatsoever,

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commandity and low, and with youeven in the end or amen. Okay,
and you know, as you guysknow, the other three gospels,
Ah, pretty much say the samething essentially, the Lord is risen,

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with a couple of different little there. They don't contradict, They just compliment.
Mhm, anything y'all, anything stickingout there before we get into the
yeas well, Yeah, I dogot a question that thing that the I

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guess the soldiers said basically, Well, the people that said that, hey,
just tell him that, you know, his disciples came sna you know
Jesus body away. Is that toyou the best of your knowledge? No,
if there's still something that they believein today, yeah, A couple
of years ago I looked into thisand uh, that was still the deal.

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Wow. Okay, Yeah, Idon't know if it is I mean
today, I guess, but theywould have they have to come up with
some reason as to why the disciplessay Jesus is right. I would think
they still believe that. But andthat's something not well and it's crazy because

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they saw a miracleis now. Idon't think they heard the whole conversation between
Mary and the angels, but maybethey were just waking up, you know,
like slightly waking up, and theysaw a glimpse and right called a
little bit because it does say itdoes say here that where is it tear

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uh saying nope, loving it.Uh show let's see when they were going
be whole, some of the Watchcame into the city and showed unto the
Chief Grease all the things that weredone. So they may have seen a
good bit of it, right,or you know, at the very least

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after the angels came down it fellas dead men. They probably woke up
at the end of the conversation.That's how I envision. But I you
know, we get the dog backdog madic. Well, even with that
being said, even though they likedidn't hear, you know, much of
the dialogue that was happening, theythey had to have seen something, because

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weren't they on Watch twenty four seventhe soldiers. Yeah, well you remember
that in the beginning here it sayswhen they saw the angels came down,
you're making the stone rolled away versefirst three. Their countenance was like lightning
and Raymond white and snow, andfor fear of him, the keepers did
shape and he became his dead.So they saw him. They saw the

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angel at least happen, right,Okay, and then then they went down.
Yeah. Yeah, so it's prettycrazy, and it's it's it's insane
to me that you I was tellingthe kids, it's like a month ago
we had a little Bible saying aboutthis, like, you literally saw the

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most amazing thing that you have everseen in your life. I'm not talking
about seeing Jesus rise from the didbecause they didn't see that. But they
saw two angels fly down from heavenand land and then rolled back to stone.
That probably took five or six mento close it. Mm hm.

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And you decided to come up witha lie that the money or just not
to be killed or something they didthat they will be killed. They did.
But it's it's crazy because you wouldthink that you would just take a
second stop and think about what,bro you just saw. M Yeah,

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like they did when they got boutof tail. They but they took the
money. Oh no, where man, maybe they I mean, I guess
they don't lie. They they don'tlie. They definitely did. Like you
said, they won't even trying toget paid. They are trying not to
get killed. Yep mmmm mmmmm.So I do that question hypothetically. Do

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you'all think, like I know,I see a lot of when Jesus kind
of staying at the foot the footholdof the door, you know, I
need the doorway of the tomb.You think Jesus, not that it's important,
but you think Jesus never walked outof the tunes per se, because
you know he had this door,fine body, So you think he just
kind of just get whenever he wantedto go, you know, you know,

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just that there because he's not heyou know, he doesn't have to
go walk through the door and waitfor it to open, or the tomb
to wait for it to open,you know what I mean. You think
that's what happened that that of courseit matters. No, I think Jesus
was gone long before that moment,before that tomb opened. Yeah, oh
yeah, And that's that's one thingunbelievers gotta gotta tell. Unbelievers. You

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know, the stone was not rolledaway so that Jesus can come out.
The stone was rolled away so thatwe can go in right right, like
that's it. That there's you know, he was to me, he was
long gone before that because he youknow, I forget where second Peter somewhere
where it talks about where he waspreaching to the to the dead souls or
he was preaching he was doing something. I don't know if he was in

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Hell, because I've heard that before. Yeah, right, but they said
he was preaching to the prisoners orsomething like that, the prisoners. It
doesn't say Hell, but it does. That's that's the teaching that I've always
heard, is that he was.I just don't know if I have never
did him, never done any homeworkon that. But I don't know if

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that's where he was or not.You know, it's just all that,
you know what I always thought itwas. I never thought it was Hell.
I thought it was just like aplace where the David and the Abraham
and everybody else was, you knowwhat I mean. That wasn't fit for
Hell, so to speak, becauseyou know, the righteous, you know,
God made him righteous, you know, especially Abraham. But I don't

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know where that place was either.With all that being said, I don't
know, Well, remember that placewas like Abraham's bosom is where the rich
man was, remember, right,no man, Yeah, last is not
the rich man. So it wasit was Abraham's. And then after Abraham's

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bosom. You know, Jesus whenhe was on the cross, he looked
at that thief and he said,today, you'll be with me in paradise.
He didn't say you'll be with mein Abraham's bosom, right, he
said you'll be with me in paradise. So I just I happen to think
that everybody who died before Christ died, they all went to Abraham's bosom right

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to be wherever Abraham was, andAbraham was where God was. So to
me, even though there are differentplaces, there's still the same place to
me because it's where God is.You. I don't care for health.
I can be in health. I'mwith God. It's all good that they
ain't got the truth, Yeah,because who practices that. You're right about
that. It's all good, that'ssure. Whatever that place is, I

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don't know, I have I don'tknow. I don't know what Jesus is
doing during those three days. Inever I never dug into That makes sense,
That makes total sense because they havenot. I don't know if you
can. I don't know if youwould go and preach the Gospel to like
David, because I don't think theywould be considered prisoners. Well, my

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thing is my thing is wouldn't theywouldn't they have to confess with them out
from believe in their heart in orderto be saved, just like we do
in the New Testament, because theyonly had a glimpse of the Messiah back
then. So you think that whenwe hear that Jesus preached to the prisoners

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of Captain whatever Peter referred to himas, that they just had to basically
solidify that that confessional, solidify that, you know, that faith in them.
I don't know. I think that'spossible. But I also think that
you know, because there were everyone'sbeen saved the same exact way by putting

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trust in God. So even beforeJesus, you know, they were saved
by putting their trust in God andthe promising society to come right after Jesus,
we're all still saved by putting ourtrust in God. He just happened
to manifest himself in human form forbut it's still placing our trust in Jesus.

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Who is God. Right, Absolutely, we're saved the exact same way.
But it's possible. It's possible thathe went and preached the gospel and
it was it was signed, sealedand delibery. I don't know, never
dug into it. Maybe want totake into it, you can, I'm

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probably not. At least you keepit a one hundred