EP84 Empty Tomb Part 3

A special Apologetics episode with guest Clay Trader discussing the empty tomb.

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Episode Transcript

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Right. You don't hear people sayingit too much, but it's still an
option right now. The other oneis that Jesus just painted. But that's
that's also called the swoon theory wherehe was up today. It's so ludicrous,

(00:21):
I understand, but go ahead,sorry, this is really ridiculous stuff.
Well that he just fainted, yeahfor three days. Well, and
and it's it's it's a crazy ideabecause in Matthew twenty seven it tells you
that he was beaten scourge. Hewas beaten badly whips called cat of nine

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tails. And not only was hebeaten with that whip, didn't they Verse
twenty nine put a crown of thornson the set. And these people weren't
nice. They weren't like, here'sJesus, here's this crown. We're going
to replace it, nice and niceand gently. No came out. Yeah,
that's the matches down on his headto make a statement. Then you

(01:07):
see they spat on him. Theystruck him with the stick. They have
this in here, but they wereplucking his beard. He had to end
up carrying that cross. I forgethow long it was. I think it
was just short of a mile.I think it was m hmm, carried
as he had carried across and thenthe ultimately was crucified. Well, no

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one is gonna survive and whoop it, let it on all the other stuff.
You're not gonna just faint after likethe amount of time and that amount
of blood loss that he that hetook. Yeah, you can faint from
that. You can faint from that. Mm hmm. But that's the point
where you faint. You don't.You don't get whipped that bad and then

(01:53):
get beaten and then crown of thornsand then struck and beard and spat on,
then carry across Romo's a while tohelp with Simon and then get crucified
and then faint. No, no, yeah, now you're right about that.
They don't make it that far,right, you're right about that.

(02:15):
And then you said the Jews admitthat they killed Jesus right, Oh absolutely,
okay, oh yeah, they admitthat they take they take pride in
it because he's a false sidon.Mmm. Guess they didn't mention that he
painted either. Oh no, theymade sure they got the right one right,

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And and that's another that's the reasonwhy Islam is false, right,
that's That's another one thing where wetake the difference between Us and Judaism.
Islam is because the death of Jesusis claimed by the Jews, they take
pride in it, so right,But then Islam says that Jesus didn't die.

(02:59):
So I'll let you know that they'rewrong. So anyway, uh,
you don't have to read this quotehere from William Edwards. Basically he said,
hey, Jesus was dead. Imean, there's no offens or bucks
about it. He was dead.Ah. And this is another thought.

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This is another thought. If Jesus, let's say he did faint or whatever,
he didn't actually die, what wouldthe disciples think if he somehow mad
it managed to go like I don'tknow how far the tone was from the
city, but that he managed toget from the tomb. Well, well,

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heng on, Hey, you can'tjust say get away from the tomb,
right, I know? I gotthe question here. What if he
showed up bloody Bruce beating the nakedBut before you even get to that point,
you gotta somehow explain how Jesus,if he fainted, how he woke
up, somehow unwrapped himself after hegot the seventy five pounds of appointments and

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stuff that was put on him,right, right, so he got you
gotta explain how he woke up,how he got all that seventy five pounds
of stuff on him, how heunwrapped himself, how he moved the stone,
how he overpowered the guards. Imean, this man, he would
have had people whatsoever. Yeah,he ends up overpowering the guards, and

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then he ends up walking all theway to where the disciples lived, knocking
on the door and said, hey, guys, I came back from the
dead. No, no, no, if that even was possible, If
that was even possible, they wouldhave looked at him and said they wouldn't
have thought that he was resurrected.They would have looked at him and said,
oh, you survived, right,he like the walking dead, like

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yeah, yep, And then hewould have give him medical attention, right
yeah. Yeah. The fact thatthey didn't is because he didn't just really
survive this. He died, yeah, and was resurrected full power. Mhm.

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Wow, when you were winded backlike that, I guess that's sounds
ridiculous. Ridiculous, sounds like anaction film. Yeah, And if somebody
were to say Jesus just fainted.If they just left it all non sloughtly,
you'd be like, well, Iguess maybe that is possible. But

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then you gotta, like you justsaid, retrace it. How did he
do all this stuff with no strength? Mm hmm yep. And somehow with
no strength he managed to overcome professionalkillers nah, weapons in their hands.
Nah. No, We're not evengonna talk about how you rolled the stone

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away from the inside. I know, yeah, yeah, that's true.
That's crazy. That yeah, likewe know it was crazy. But that's
why I like apologetics, you know, it kind of it gives reason,
that backbone, that foundation even soto the you know, the reason why

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we believe what we believe. That'sthat's true. Yeah, And that's pretty
much all I have that we cametry and breeze through the uh oh boy.
Nope. Yeah, So the excruciatingdeaths part and we'll just this one,

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I guess. But remember earlier Isaid that this is a principal is
that no people may die for alie that they think is true, but
no one dies for a lie thatthey know is a lot hm. And
I got the book somewhere, butJohn Fox's Book of Martyrs tells you all
these people that were documented first likefour or five centuries of after Jesus's death

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and resurrection about how they had todie for their faith. But I gave
this to the kids one day andin youth group, they said, why
are they no Asians? I said, why? Why is that something you're
even worried about? Don't even worryabout that. I didn't even know they

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were Asian until you said it.I mean, honestly that doubt. I'm
like, oh they are. Let'ssay, what are you worried about?
You want me to put some lighterblack people? What do you want?
Anyway? And then you're pregnant too, by the way, So I said,

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I said, uh, where's yourbaby? Yeah? Anyway, So
as I'm done, I said,I said, here's the example. These
people here, this whole family saysthat the grass is hot pink. And
so you ask the wait, areyou saying the grass is really hot pink?

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Grass is hot pink? Do youreally really believe that? Yep?
Okay, with a bullet in hisgun, and I'm gonna stick it up
to the grandfather's that I ask youone more time, is the grass hot
pink? Now they may not believethat I'm going they may try to call
my bluff, right, so thenthey may say, yes, the grass

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is hot pink. Mm hmm boom, Granddad's gone. Right. The point
has been made. So from thismoment forward, if I ask anyone else
if the grass is hot pink,and if they know it's green, they're
going to say it's green. Yeah, right, because they don't want to

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end up like Grandpa. Yeah,they know I'm gonna kill you. Right.
But if if I ask him ifthe grass is hot pink and they
say yes, beheman, yes itis, that's gonna happen. Mm hmm
right, because we know that they'retelling a lie because the gas the grass

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is green. But at the sametime, though, that lets you know
that their belief of the grass beinghot pink is actually real. Mm hmm
right. And it's the same conceptwith the Disciples. The Disciples came out
and said that Jesus is resurrected.We handled him, We we ate with

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him, we hugged him, wetouched her. He touched his side,
start fingering his side in his hand. He walked on water or not.
I don't think he walked the water. Afters no they were coming back and
he was making fish. Yeah,yeah, yeah, but yeah, basically
we encountered Jesus and they said,okay, are you sure? And of

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course that's when Steven, well Stephenwas killed because he wouldn't shut up about
their about their very terrible past.Mm hmm. But then you know,
after he was killed, you findout later that James in eighty forty four
he was beheaded. He was oneof the sons of thunder Look, he

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was thrown in prison and then hewas crucified. Matthew the tax collector.
In eighty sixty he was killed byan axe mathased collector with the martyr.
Yep. I didn't know that,according to John Fox, and I didn't.
I don't know according to Yep.Okay, I'm not to read that.

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And then Jesus's brother, James,he was killed by a club.
Now I don't think that I havethis in here, but he was actually
thrown off the temple mount. Mmmm. Yeah. They threw him off the
temple mount and then they killed himthe club. Like he wasn't dead yet,
No, he wasn't. Uh,let's see Matthias judiciary placement. Remember

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he was the one that asked whenthey took when they did the whole casting
lots. Uh huh. He endedup being stoned in Jerusalem and then he
was beheaded. Ooh uh, there'sone here. I don't I don't understand.
Oh, this is it Andrew,Peter's brother. It says at Odessa
he was taken and crucified on thecross with the two ends of the cross.

(11:56):
They were fixed traversely in the ground. I have no idea what that
looks like. Could we laid flat? I would say no, because crucifixion
means you have to die by suffocation. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

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I've tried to. I can't picture. I just I can't figure it
out. Uh. But then yousee here Mark Mark was dragged to pieces
by the people of Alexandria. Mmhm. That was blood stack Simon Peter,
of course, Well we don't havethis for certain, but it tells

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us that he was crucified upside down. Mm hmmm. And just like Peter,
just just like Peter too, likeyeah, yeah, can't you just
see him saying I'm not worthy tobe crucified, like my lord? Yeah,
okay, well what do you want? Turn me upside down? All
right? You know you volunteer Dad. You know he did, You know

(13:13):
he did. Yeah. It alwayskind of be actual hell, that's the truth.