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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's his website on the Internet called Wikipedia, and somebody
that's in charge of it gets to decide what the
truth is. The problem is that their version of the
truth is subjective. It's not the objective truth. It's truth
based on someone else's opinion.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
And can't other people go in and change that if
they feel like it.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
There is a culture of people who edit Wikipedia, the
approved editors, and it very often is somebody with a
far left political position. And so over the years, while Wikipedia,
you know, twenty years ago, is a fascinating website filled
with lots of obscure little tidbits of information, now it's
become a political tool. Well, of course. So over the weekend,

(00:38):
the co founder or is he the founder of Wikipedia,
was interviewed on a podcast. His name's Jimmy Wales. In
a little less than forty eight seconds, he got mad
and stormed out of an interview because the interviewer kept
saying he wasn't the founder. He was the co founder.
And while he says that doesn't matter to him, it boy,
it sounds like it does matter to him a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
You have a said of a young n avenue guests,
who are you?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm Jimmy Wales, what are your Wikipedia?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
You're the founder a co founder? Because I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
That's the dumbest question in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Really, absolutely, this seems to be a dispute. There's no dispute.
I don't I don't care. I don't care. So yeah,
he seems to care.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Say what you like, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Well, isn't that like when it comes to Wikipedia? Uh
a problem? You know what? What? What are the facts?

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
The facts? Now about the fact? Well, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's an opinion. So you can have whatever opinion you like.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
But for you, you're the founder. Can I just say again?
Can I just point something out here too? It's besides
the point. Look at this, he's wearing a button up
dress shirt. It's a plaid dress shirt with sweatpants and
white socks. He certainly is mister Keath, what that look?
I'm not a fashionista, but what the hell is going
on here?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
That is not working for me? Are you wearing sweat anything?
I approve of That entire outfit is a shoelaces because
they're like them.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
These wearing yellow shoelaces with navy sneakers, white socks, lime
green sweatpants and a checkered shirt that did a homeless
person dress him at the Salvation Army?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Can I just say again it doesn't matter. I've answered
your question four times. I'm not I'm done. I would you?

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Oh thanks, that's just I'm gonna take my ugly clothes
and I'm gonna get out of here. The podcaster guy,
Oh my god, that was so awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
When that guy tells you he doesn't care, he cares, I.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Don't care always translates to I very much care a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I wish you wouldn't bring it up, but you did
talk about ego and rage.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Quitning o. My god. By the way, when you look
on Jimmy Whale's Wikipedia page, because he has one, it
says he co founded Wikipedia.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Uh huh, I guess that's his problem. Huh Does it
say who his co founder? Wash? That means there's more
than one founder, so the other person might unless they're dead.
You might be able to clarify some of this, okay.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Larry Sanger is the other guy, Jimmy Wales. I know
that guy. He owes me money. According to Larry Sanger,
it says that he's on the run. Really, Yeah, because
he don't want me finding me. Jimmy Wales and Larry
Singer co founded Why is this episode? Who cares?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't you know he does? I guess he doesn't
like Larry doesn't sound like.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
By the way, these two guys, if you drew a
picture of like two sexless men, it's like just chubby
and bald with known no fashion. Yeah, the bad dresser
like the nerdiest looking dorks you've ever seen in your life.
This is like, not that it matters, a lot of
my friends are nerds and dorks, but clearly you care, buddy.
By the way, I don't know why Wikipedia's garbage. Here's

(03:59):
the NPR CEO back when she was the Wikipedia CEO,
explaining how the truth isn't really that important and maybe
we overfocus on the truth, you know, but what about.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
The hard things, the places where we are prone to disagreement,
say politics and religion. Well, as it turns out, not
only does Wikipedia's model work there, it actually works really
well because in our normal lives, these contentious conversations tend
to rrupt or disagreement about what the truth actually is.

(04:30):
But the people who write these articles, they're not focused
on the truth. They're focused on something else.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Guys. My favorite thing about this is that the website
was started by two of the biggest losers in the world,
and then control of it was eventually handed over to
this attractive blonde lady who openly admits on stage at
a tech talk, we don't really care that much about
the truth, guys.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
It's more about feelings. How do you feel about what
they told you was the truth? And how do they
feel about the real truth versus their truth? Isn't that
great they get this demode or on the website.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
These two guys hate each other like, well, not to worry,
neither you are going to run this website anymore. Neither
is she. We have this much more attractive woman. We're
gonna put her in charge.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Was that a lateral move or a promotion to now
be in charge of public radio?

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I don't know, because now NPR doesn't have any funding,
which is the.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Best of what we can know right now. And after
seven years of working with these brilliant folks, I've come
to believe that they are onto something that perhaps for
our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to
convince others of the truth might not be the right

(05:46):
place to start.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
That is so funny.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Plus, I know you can't see her there on the radio,
but watching her talk this way very robotic, right, She's
it's like she's animated. She faces this way, then she
faces this way, then she faces this way as she
says what she says, and it's a kind of a

(06:11):
staccuto rhythm that she's developed here. So at some point
you stop paying attention to what she's saying and you
just get hypnotized by the way she says it.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
And that's it right now. Just to prove a point
about how these people are liars, here's a white man
in his thirties telling you that he's a menopausal woman.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
I'm trying to evaporate the sweat mustache on top of
my real mustache. I'm so, I'm a little sweaty and
it's like cold outside because I'm at menopause.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
No you're not, you're a boy.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
But that's what they're talking about when they say the
truth isn't really that important. What they're talking about is,
among other things, men who think they're women.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Where do you identify as is truth? That's your truth?
Speak your truth, right, even if it's not true.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Maybe cops aren't actually good for society. Maybe criminals are
good for society. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have borders. Borders
don't protect anybody.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
They got a real situation going on in New York City. Now,
they got this mayor coming in who says we don't
need the police. You know, it's more than just defund
the police. It's ignore the police, attack the police, get
rid of the police. And he's supposed to sit down
and have a chat with the lady. I guess it's
a lady that is in charge of the New York

(07:30):
Police Department.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
She's over the whole department.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
And they said they're gonna sit down and have a
little chat because come what January third or whenever it's official,
he gonna take over. And they said, everybody's wondering, is
he gonna keep her?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Why not just get rid of the police chief, if
you don't need police, Yeah, exactly, who needs? What good
did the cops ever do? Us in a city with
millions of people, where there's multiple organized criminal groups. Not
to mention the Italian, Oh well, don't.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Mention them, all right, that's that's a that's not that's
an old wives tale.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
The whole mafia thing. It's not it doesn't even exist.
All right. So now that the Tulsa King season's over,
I'm watching it because I want to, you know, I
want to binge it. And did you notice what came
back this week? I haven't watched it yet. I didn't
watch it yet either. Landman's back.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oh, I know I watched that last night.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Okay, so you didn't watch Tulsa King. No, but you
did watch Landman. I told you. I watched the.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
First episode of the newest season of Tulsa King, and
it's just not entertaining like it used to be. Used
to be funny, has some good lines, that's some personality
to it, and now it's just, uh, they're gonna kill
you or you're gonna kill them. We need to blow
that guy up, we need to set his house on fire.
Everything is just mean and dark and evil.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Now.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I wanted it to be funnier. You guys feel the
same way everyone else is. You're not. Nobody else is watching.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Watch Billy Bob Lash not though that's good.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
See, I want to get I want the episodes to
stack up.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's the thing is, I think there were just the
one offering I don't like waiting week to week.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
I know.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, I don't want to, you know, because then you
sit there and you think about it, and then you
get all caught up. I don't need that hanging over there.
Nobody needs that. I got enough anxiety. I can't wait
for a new episode every week. Do you understand I'm
teetering on the brinka, you know, jumping out of a
building as it is. I don't need that hanging over
my head.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
We get it, I understand. Then you gotta you gotta
settle down. Yeah you got you got that dog to
live for any thanks?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I have that guy. Yeah yeah, I mean the
dog likes you. Thank you long keep beating In the meantime,
can we do uh? You know, Billy, there's different kinds
of criminals out there, and.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
They're stupid ones. I know there's a lot of stupid
ones out there.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Well, that was the kind I wanted to talk about
right now. Oh yeah, where's your criminals? A stupid story?
It's a Texas addition.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
I gotta.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
It's okay because they're stupid. I think we might actually
have to stop doing criminals is stupid after this one,
because this one is so dumb. And it's brought to
you by.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well, okay, stop if it's brought to you by and
it's sponsored by the Silver Slipper Casino, all of the
fame to rumble on the coast, among other things. I
understand you're going to be somewhere along the Mississippi Gulf coast,
not even near Gulfport Biloxi. But if you happen to
slide by, you might want to slip in to the
slip up.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'll be in Bay Saint Louis this weekend doing stand
up comedy on Friday night at Base Saint Louis Little Theater.
And I sat on the radio earlier that it was
near Gulfport Biloxi, and someone wrote an email.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
They go, no, they immediately have to jump all over you.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
That's forty five minutes away. Okay, Well, the Woodlands is
like forty five minutes away from Houston. It's considered to
be part of you sere we consider Okay, sorry, everyone,
you may have to trawl if you want to go
to the award winning theaters. It's been there since nineteen
forty six. That's definitely not part of Golfport Biloxi. No, no,
but is a short drive away. I will be there
Friday night, Friday, November twenty first with J. C. Payton.

(11:02):
So come hang out with us, might be good. Not
at the Slipper, No, and stay at the Silver Slipper
while you're there.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, swing by. It's somewhere out there.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I don't know. Yeah, no kid. A Texas man has
been accused of vandalizing a Veteran's Day flag display at
a church. It was it was a sad thing to do.
The cops didn't know who to arrest, so they started
looking around and then they figured out Timothy Myers Pool
dropped his ID at the scene of the crime. He

(11:31):
left his driver's license there.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
The fool go in, do his crime, leave But for
some reason, why you take your driver's license out while
you in the middle of a crime.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Not only was it a dumb crime, because like, what
are you accomplishing? Just do you hate the vets? I
don't get what the point of this was, but then
to drop your your id. He left his ID at
the scene of the crime. Here witnesses and the cleanup
volunteers talking about what happened.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
There's a guy actively tearing down flags right accidentally ran
over it. To know what it was at first, look
my rear and sure enough I see a flag.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I was tearing up as I was walking through. By
his response saying, y'all don't need this flag.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
They're gone now. This was definitely politically motivated.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
I was still looking through. It was like, where's my
where my grandparents' flags at? I don't know what your
intention was to, you know, tear the flags down or
to cause destruction, but it's not going to stop West
from honoring the people that we love and believe in
and thank for sacrificing.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
An I love working for uncles, I don't. I don't
get the point he's making that He's like, wow, they're
gone now, you can't honor them. A veteran stay display
is actually for billy people that are still alive or dead.
It doesn't necessarily.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Mean they serve, they did their time, in fact, survived
at some didn't.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
In fact, if I'm not mistaken, we got in the
weeds on this one. Technically, a veteran is somebody that
could still be active duty. True, it just means you
signed up to join the military. You weren't no disgraceful,
uh you know, you weren't kicked out of the Marines
or the.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Honey Get around to my second edition of the North
Carolina Criminals are stupid when we come back.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Oh yeah, there's gonna be more dumb criminals coming up
here and we're going outer space. Hang around. It's the
new useful idiot action figure, loaded with megaphone, protest sign
and paper pack.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
He shouts, he marches, he never thinks twice pust him.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Against authority or make them run from Itune for more.
Waltman Johnson.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
The hackensack thing, we didn't. We didn't really use that
at my high school. I don't think we'd even know
what hackensack was. When I was in high.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
School in nineteen ninety eight, bud Light thought the idea
of a male cheerleader was hilarious enough to publicly mock,
to make a joke about it. And it still is.
And well now today they're male cheerleaders, Yes there are,
and it's silly. In the meantime, Walmart has made a mistake.
They accidentally allowed Nazis to sell T shirts on their website. Whoops,

(13:56):
with these Trump T shirts. I think what they know
it's not now. I think what happens is Walmart allows
third party vendors to sell things at walmart dot com,
and sometimes things that aren't supposed to be there get
get approved because whoever's approving this stuff at Walmart's probably
not really paying attention.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
But they got an iHeart Hitler or I heart eight
all for you know what are they selling?

Speaker 1 (14:18):
All right? Let me paint a picture here for you
for the because we're on the radio, you can't see it.
I get it. Uh. The fist generally implies black lives matter, right,
the Black Power fist and then the sighile is the
hand of the neo Nazis. Okay, So what if the
fist was rock and the sighile was paper flat hand? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Like and a fist like the Black Power play rock
paper scissors? Okay, who's doing scissors? Scissors?

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Nobody does? No, no scissor No. The T shirt just
says paper beats rock and then it's a Black Lives
Matter fist and a sighile hand. Oh my. And that's
the gist of it.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
And so they're saying Nazis beat black lives matter.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
That's what they're implied. That's what's being implied. So now
Walmart's under fire for selling a T shirt that many
say depicts a Naxie style salute. I think it's safe
to say it does. Critics argue that design implies that
fascism wins, or white supremacy beats black resistance. How do
we know Walmart is to blame here?

Speaker 2 (15:12):
How come the people that bought the shirt aren't to
blame and Walmart put it up there just to lure
them out. That's funny that we had read that's your
plan on the whole predator child predators.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, I don't know if it was my plan. It
was just you came up with it. It was a
question I asked. Somebody came up with child sex dolls,
and the federal government immediately there were lawmakers that said
this should be illegal. It's horrible a child sex doll.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
So you can have a sex doll that looks like,
you know, like a ten year old child or something,
and that's that's Oh, that's just awful.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Now, I'm not suggesting this is my idea, just as
a guy who has conversations for a living in a
public forum, I asked the question, yeah, it comes. What
if this is how we catch the predators? What if
anybody that buys this sex style ends up on a list,
and then six months later you search their hard drive.
You're like, here's all the child porn we got. The guy.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
What if I bought it as a gag gift, Well,
then you're then when they search your computer, you got
to go to prison.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
No, you'd have nothing on your computer. You still got
to though.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I bought it as a gag gift, and then I
gave it to a friend of mine and I embarrassed
him at a party.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Again, in this hypothetical, the doll itself is not illegal,
it's putting you on the list. Remember, in this hypothetical,
the doll is not illegal. But because I.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Bought one and now I'm a child predator, Well your plan, No,
then they search your computer. And if I bought it
all on a computer, I went in my computer, Kenny,
and I bought a child.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Sex doll, which is not illegal in this hypothetical. But
but but child porn is.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
So that means that the person that bought the sex
doll might be a child predator, right, which, well, now
I'm a child predator.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
No, you're not in this hypothetical. What I mean you
might be. I don't know. I don't know what's on
your computer. If you're concerned about buying a child sex dollar,
is that your computer might get searched later by law
enforcement and you'd get arrested. It sounds like you're admitting
you might have child porn. Now I'm not implying that.
That sounds like it's what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
You don't, right, but you're not following the dream of
logic that I'm laid out in front of you. You're
true having trouble with that. I don't understand why. It
could be the drugs. It's got to be.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
The drugs must be. That must be.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
What it turns out to be is that you both
could have probably done a whole lot better if you
made the choice to not talk about that and to
get back to what I promoted ahead of time that
we were gonna do when we got back from break,
which apparently you people have the shortest memory.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Like a goldfish.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
You swam around the bowl once and you went, huh,
what were we talking about before?

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Well?

Speaker 1 (17:47):
What were we talking about?

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Stupid criminal report from North Carolina that I said we'll
get back to as soon as we come back from
the break, And you.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Were like, yeah, yeah, I can't wait, and then you forgot, Well,
let's do it. I think I ever said, yeah, I
can't wait. Well, no, I want you to do it.
I just kind of threw that in there to make
him feel bad. No, I don't feel bad. No, You're
not gonna make any feel bad. But I do want
to know what is it that you know what happened?
Is it a fight? This is part two of Criminals?
Is stupid? So still brought to you by the same people. Sure, yeah,

(18:17):
that would be a casino and beautiful Bay Saint Louis.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
A fight over a Thanksgiving turkey turned into a shootout
at a grocery store in North Carolina last week.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's a pretty big deal. Huh.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
You go to the grocery store pretty regular. You probably
didn't expect the shootout going on.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I enjoy getting food at a grocery store. It's one
of my top three places to get food.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Sixty four year old guy named Mark and a fifty
five year old Antonio both shopping at the food lie
in there in North Carolina, and one of them got
into it with an employee over the price of their
turkey because the food line had a deal going on
where you could get a turkey a twenty nine cents
a pound.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
But yeah, that's a good deal.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
You had to spend thirty five dollars first, should have
got a lot of turkey. Well, thirty five dollars could
have been on anything, okay, so you could buy a
banana hypothetical.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
One of the men didn't understand the deal and started
questioning the cashier about the price. Okay, so apparently he
didn't get his twenty nine cent deal because he didn't
know he was supposed to buy other stuff. Anyway, This
female cashier tried to explain it to him, and he
started getting lippy with her. I don't know which one
got lippy, if it was Mark or Antonio, probably Mark,

(19:32):
the older guy. And so there is video these guys.
One got lippy with a cashier. The other one said
you ought to stop getting lippy with her because you
didn't understand the deal and you're a dumbash or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
I don't know the word for word. So they got
into a fight there near the front of the store.
I have audio of this. Oh good, Here is some
of the altercation and one of the cashiers talking about
what happened. He got a gun.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Crustomer came from rest to six, ran over to the
man that was all in my face.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Was like, this is a woman talked to me like
that good thing?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
They right there, confrontation go on. They fighting. The man
was steady tossing and trying to get his gun out
of his pouch to shoot the other man.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
And the man was like, oh, you want to pull
out a gun on me right there where the officers at.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
And start shooting. Oh my god, I love any news
story with a sassy black lady. You know, I love
a sassy black lady in a news story.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Apparently this guy pulls a gun out, and it's kind
of like that Mark Wahlberg movie.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I always loved that line, Oh oh you got a gun?
You didn't get the only one here.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
With a gun and he pulls a gun out and
he's got it to his head. Well, these two old boys,
one of them did shoot the other one and got
taken to the hospital, both facing charges for a simple affray.
A fray, that's charges. I'd be embarrassed if I had
to tell people what I was in for.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
But they have some weird laws in North Carolina. In
this also the place where that blond lady got stabbed
to death on that.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's the same state on the light rail. Don't know
if it's the same exact location. That was Charlotte. Where'd
this happen at? That was at the food line?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Okay, somewhere in the same state. Yeah, where was this
food line? I mean anything? North Carolina is one point.
That is not the best Carolina. No, you could do better.
If you're looking for Carolinas, that's probably the last one.
I'd go. South is generally better.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
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