The Warped Shelf - Barbenheimer

From the ashes of Doom Eternal and Animal Crossing: New Horizons comes the latest, greatest, and oddly organic double feature. How did the two pair? Is it worth the 5 hour journey? Let's talk about it.

Episode #146

Episode Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to the WarpShow. I'm Frank Duran, I'm just
Shaun Basquez, and today we're talkingabout this cinematic event that is Barbie Heimer,
which turns into our cinematic event ofa podcast, which is going to
be this double episode where we're goingto talk about Barbie and then we'll talk

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about Alpenheimer and basically throughout be talkingabout similarities themes, why these too have
are together and why it matters topeople like us, you know, like
and uh and and just so youknow, uh, you're listening to the
Warp Shelf where you know, wefind out what's worth taking home with you,

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uh and and talk about what youknow is worth keeping and you or
that can be literally like an actualphysical copy. And uh, today we're
talking about something that's I think isa theater event. I think this is
something that you had to go tothe theater to see it. But of

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course I will say it right here, right now. I would gladly own
these two when they come out physical. I'm spoiler review. I want to
own these motherfuckers. I'm excited tosee like what they try to do for
like a steel book of Barbies specificallyjust like this fucking hot pink monstrosity that
they come up with. I know, I'm so excited. And of course

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the like the dark steel box that'sgoing to be Oppenheimer. You just gonna
be like, fuck, look atthat scary, fucking blu ray over there,
just like an artist rendition of likethe final shot of just Killian Murphy,
just like staring at the middle distance. I'm so excited to talk about
this because it is I think oneof the cooler like a movie go to

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the theater events we've had in avery long time. You know, like
there's good things to go through themovie theories for, but there's not good
things to go see multiple movies forin one weekend. And I think that's
super fun, you know, likeI think that's awesome. And I think
there's a reason why these two kindof generated this kind of hype and also

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why they work well together, youknow, like why they actually kind of
melt in a lot of ways.And I think it comes down to that.
You know, like a lot ofpeople were going in being like,
wow, uh, Barbie's gonna bethis like uh, you know, like
bright, pink, bubbly Barbie likeOrigin Story movie or something. It's not

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what they got. They went intoOppenheimer being like, oh man, it's
going to be a Nolan movie,uh doing you know, like atomic bombs
going off as much as possible,And instead they got a very contemplative,
almost abstract, historical take, reallyrealistic for Nolan, um like almost unbelievably

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realistic for Nolan and but else attimes they're both characters studies about humanity.
Yeah, exactly. And I feellike I came out of Barbie having cried
multiple times, but then I walkedout of Oppenheimer and I was emotionally devastated,
you know, like oh fuck,you know, like because I came

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out of Barbie being like wow,that was like really touching. And I've
seen Barbie now twice. I wentto see it again on Wednesday. UM.
I saw opening day first two showingsof both UM and UH and Dshaan
actually saw it in seventy millimeter.You saw Open High Yeah, yeah,
the Coolidge, both the Coolidge andthe Summerville Theater. We're actually doing seventy
millimeter screenings for Oppenheimer, which isway Nolan. Yeah, which is definitely

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what I would want to do becauseunfortunately, like the actual like the real
Jordan's furniture Imax in Natick is kindof out of my way for someone who
doesn't have a car, Like it'spretty inaccessible even with PT So yeah,
it's not it's not easy. Yeah, but you know, if you're actually
going to screen it on film andin its proper format, which we obviously

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know that the Coolidge knows their ship. Yeah there. Well I saw it
not opening day, but like theMonday after the first weekend, because which
was a record Monday, and thenthey set a record Wednesday. Barbie has
been smashing records. Um, Ican see why you come in thinking it's

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going to be and it kind ofplays as a people pleaser, you know,
like it That's what I've seen alot of criticism is just the way
it plays, what happens on thescreen. A lot of people have not
been criticizing what obviously Greta Gerwig andMargot Robbie we're working with here in the
double entendre of the whole entire movie, you know, like the entire movie

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plays on two levels constantly, youknow, like, and I think that
that's what makes this such a clevermovie. Um, and how much it
just leans into um expressionism, youknow, like leans into kind of like
how it you know, like howwe express ourselves how uh you know,
film expresses itself and and and andand also uh you know, the way

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music is able to express uh somuch through through storytelling is kind of impressive
here and then you and then youhave Oppenheimer, you know, like and
you're just like I might be Nolan'sfucking best, you know, I did
come out of it just like thisis definitely in his fucking at least top

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three. This is definitely one ofthe stronger works. Not I did not
have fun. I did not havefun. I did not walk out of
Dark Night and want to turn likeI did out of Dark Knight and Inception
and I literally a Dark Knight.I turned around and bought a ticket an
Inception. We did it literally likethe next day, I bought another Inception
ticket and went back like those.I had to see it again like I

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had, you know, and itwas like so much fun. I really
wanted to. I don't know ifI could take Openpenheimerheimer's not meant to pump
you up. Nope, nope,Like you you saw Barbie and Oppenheimer,
I did the opposite. I didOppenheimer first and then Barbie, so I
came out of the first to belike, yeah, humanity's doomed, and
then jumping into Barbie afterwards as thecool down was just like Okay, maybe

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not Yeah, You're like, you'relike, maybe there's hope, there's a
little bit of joy here. LikeI the emotional devastation that Nolan's able to
deliver by actually delving into romance forthe first time in his fucking movies is

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actually pretty fucking fantastic. Like,I feel like this man has had such
a hard time doing romance and moviesother than like Bond Girl aesthetic, you
know, Like it's just like,ah, yes, it's like Rachel is
such a bystandard half the time.Yeah, Rachel. It's like Nolan has
has a lot of criticisms against himon that. Yeah, Rachel feels in

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both Begins and Dark Night like aplot device more than an actual character.
Yeah, and I think that somethingthat crosses over to like to what Barbie
is talking about also there. Butlike, but it's one of those things
that like Nolan is actually correcting here, like he's actually having female main characters

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that aren't just like plot devices orsomething, and and actually they actually get
full scenes, and I feel likethis it's such an improvement on that front,
and he's able to deliver such adevastating betrayal of of of a man,
you know, like it's really youknow, break it's but also give

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us a fantastic court drama and agreat sci fi no not not sci fi,
but like a great science movie atthe same time. It's it's extremely
impressive. I do have some smallcriticisms about both movies. I feel like
I have maybe not small for either, but I think that both of these

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are really great, and it's oneof those things that you have to I
feel like it's really great to seehim both, you know, like yeah,
And what's great about this being builtas a double feature is that it
just sort of happened organically, basicallyjust through social media, Like it was
just fun. It was basically arepeat of what we had with Doo Maternal

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and Animal Crossing New Horizons when thosetwo came out, because those came out
the same day. So there werea bunch of memes about like golf kids
walking into a game stop and buyingAnimal Crossing, and like girls in pink
dresses, just like do maternal please, And then pretty much the exact same
meme happened again with the Barbie andOppenheimer things, just like, oh,
that's hilarious. These movies are tooon the exact opposite of the spectrum coming

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out the same day. And it'salso great because like, no, one
ain't cool with WB anymore. Hemoved on, like like he is sick
of their ship after being a rideor die with them for so long.
And I'm sure Warner Brothers on Barbie'sand it's just like, oh, no
one's gonna leave us, wait tillwe outgross you motherfucker. We're gonna pit

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you. We're gonna pit you againstyour movie coming out, And the fact
that organically it's just like, no, we ain't pitting them against each other.
We're watching them both. We're watchingthem both. Yeah, exactly,
we're watching them both. And tobe fair, if you go really back
on our podcast, we've been talkingabout Barbieheimer literally since it was announced,
Like me and Deshan if you goback, if in episodes we bring it

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up, we mentioned it in FilthyCasual episodes and we talk about it happening,
and it's like funny that we've cometo this fucking giant episode where we
get to talk about it finally,because we've been we've been hyping up this
joke forever. And to be fairto me, the correct term is Barbenheimer,
not Barbie Bourbons, the one that'skind of caught on. That's the

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one you see on t shirts,all right, And it also rolls off
the tongue better. I know itgives I know it gives like a little
more of the name to Oppenheimer,but it's just smootherbon Barbenheimer. Yeah,
okay, all right, I'll letfly. I'll let it fly. But
I don't know if I'll say it, but I'll try. Um. But
they I feel like that it's aThe reason why it's great to see these

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movies together is is that a lotof people don't see multiple movies. I
don't think that happens often. Idon't think people sit down and have movie
marathons like this, and I feellikes anymore. Frank, that's not like
a huge ten pole, let alonea fucking double feature. Hey, I've
been going to the movies. Don'tyou talk to me. I've been going
you know me, This wasn't specificallydirected at you. But if you're gonna

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I know your tone. I knowyou're tone, motherfucker. All right,
fine, fine, But I dothink that this actually got people to go
to theaters. First off, Ilove that because theaters need to help every

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Yeah, we're still in like we'restill in that like nuclear winter, like
post lockdown of just like theaters aredefinitely in a better place than they were,
but it's still kind of scary andwe need people to go. And
it's one of those things that ina world where even I was like,
I'll wait to see um the Flashwhen it comes on Max. I was

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gonna go see it in theaters,and then I was kind of like,
all this bad reception, I'll waitto see it in Max. But that
leads to it being one of thebiggest bombs of all time, is that
people know they were dropping it onMax early, you know, like they
were they were doing that for alot of movies. So it's like it
kind of creates this like feeling oflike I don't need to go because it's

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like I will see it later,you know, like instead of that need
to see it. And this issomething Arnheimer have Barbenheimer has made and this
is something that I've been saying foryears, Like we've literally like witnessed the
like slow, excruciating death of themid budget film because unless it's something big
that you feel like you need tosee on a big screen, no one
fucking goes out to see it,So it just gets dumped somewhere else,

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which is very interesting to think aboutall of the fucking uh, the Sagafthra
and the yeah WGA fucking strikes calledout right yeah, which which guys,
if you if you don't know,we're on the side of the strikers,
we know, we know, we'reyou know we we we help and we
support and we do anything to helpthem. So of course we talk about
all these things about the film.We don't talk fuck Warner Brothers and who

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put out Oppenheimer's that Universe Universal.It's I feel like it's like a fuck
them. But the people who madeit is what we're talking about here.
That's what's important people. It's importantto contextualize because you think about that in
the back of your head with theway like actors and writers get screwed over
when things go to streaming, andit kind of puts the like I'll just

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wait for it to hit streaming ina worse place, a worse place.
It makes you think about, itmakes you go, oh fuck, you
know, like you're like, oh, it's one of those things that a
lot of my friends will be like, well, why didn't you pirate that
movie? And it's one of thosethings that we work in, you know,
we went to film school. Weh we work in this, like

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we do this. It's one ofthose things that you feel bad sometimes not
bang for it because you know whatpeople put in to make this stuff happen,
and it like sucks to like forthese guys not to get the money
they should, and it sucks evenfurther when a studio is hoarding that money
and not giving it to the peopleactually making shit. So yeah, so

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even worse, you know, likeso hopefully these guys can get on a
on a fucking you know, adeal soon and a good one. So
it's good when a double feature likethis rolls around as sort of like the
Internet's favorite new gimmick, because thatthat does bring people in, like for
better or worse, Like it's funto tie into the to the sagh this

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Both of these movies absolutely packed.I would say, that's the real fucking
uh tie through through both these movies. I literally the entirety of both these
movies. I was like, thatguy's in this movie. What the shit?
Like both Barbie and Oppenheimer, Iwas sitting there going, oh my
god, what what are they doinghere? You know, like you're you're
like holy yeah, Like it's justlike they both it's like one or the

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other, Like Oppenheimer got all theactors in Hollywood and Barbie got them.
Once that they forgot, it's likethey got so they both got collectively,
they got all the actors, allthe actors, and I mean it's I
think it's fantastic. And it's alsoone of those things where you're like,
hey, none of these guys werebeing compensated fairly for for this, So
you think about that, which isespecially annoying for something like Barbie, because

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Barbie could have very much have beenvery fun, but disposable film based on
you know, what's essentially a doll, just like an IP type movie.
In the same way that like,before you knew who the creative team was
behind the Lego movie, you're like, oh, a Lego movie. Yeah,
You're like, I don't know aboutthat. But then you get Lord

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and Miller on it with Barbie,you get Greta Gerwig and Noah Bomboch as
a co writer. So you're like, there's a big difference when that shit
happens and you have like a MonsterHunter movie, and all of a sudden
you hear Paul ws Anderson is attached, and you're like, don't you fucking
do it again? You sell hima bitch, You sell him a bitch.
You stay away for three now,Yeah, that motherfucker can leave.

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Leave, Like I say this,lightly, leave Hollywood, you know,
like stop making movie video game adaptions. You might make all the movies you
want, but you keep away frommy fucking video games. Right, that's
three strikes us. Just make othermovies, man, like you obviously have
a great filmmaking aesthetic and feel.Just stay away from my fucking video games.

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Man. But besides the point,let's go to Barbie. Guys.
I'm obviously kenned up. I got, I got my roses on, I
got. I had a chain forthe ken for going to the premiere.
I wore chains, a bunch ofrings, I wore my shorts. I
fucking got kenned up for Barbie,and then of course I'm by myself and

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I was like in a small NewHampshire theater and I definitely got the full
Barbie experience where I was like,I feel self conscious and mostly because I
think these uh, bigoted white NewHampshire people might hurt a gay man,

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you know, like, and I'mlike, and I'm not gay. I
just You're like, I definitely lookat right now, I'm like, and
I was like, I was like, ah, I was like, I
was like, I'm getting the fullexperience here, and uh fun is it
not fun? Definitely make it moreempathetic. Yes, I was like,
oh, oh, oh it sucks. Oh that fucking sucks. And I

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may even say the line in BarbieShe's like, I'm conscious but of myself.
Yeah, And You're just like andYou're like, that is a It's
like it's such like a funny line, but also yeah, and also the
like I definitely feel a threat ofviolence. You're like, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I love that. I'mfeeling no friend of violence. Just

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I feel like no, fred Ican't even remember what I wore, but
I definitely don't own anything pink atall. Like most of my shirts are
black. For better or worse.They definitely dressed for one and not the
other. Yes, did you didyou get did you at least have an
open eymer hat? Or did youjust wear the cabby? I don't think

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I was wearing the cabe. Ithink I just went and just whatever I
decided to throw on. I almostbought I survived Barbinheimer twenty twenty three shirt
where it's like in the Barbie logoand it shows like a little pink mushroom
cloud in the background, but Iknow it wasn't going to show up in
time. No, man, that'stoo funny. Though I really enjoyed my

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theater experience I did have. Idid didn't want to be this guy.
But there was like two aunties whocame in later, and they were they
came in like ten minutes late.And then they came and they were they
took forever to find their seat,which was next to me, and then
they then had a conversation started tohave a conversation about how hard it was

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to get to their seat after strugglingfor so long. And I became that
guy where I was just like Ifrom these aunties, as the bearded guy
sitting in the corner by himself,and I'm just like, very much like
ch there are cinnamons. I ammuch more inclined to shush people when I

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go to the movies on my own, which is most of the time when
I'm with people, I don't wantto be perceived. Yes, when I'm
on my own, I'll tell anyoneto shut up. I was like,
I was like, I don't wantto be this guy. I even had
the thought, I'm like, Idon't want to be this guy, but
they won't shut up, and I'mlike, this is Barbie, Like shut
up. Also, for the record, I know like you were considering going

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to the Coolidge to see them againwith me, you could have. There
were there were no seats when Ilooked on the Yeah, there were,
but there were still people just straightup going to the box office physically and
getting tickets like there, that's therewere empty seats next to me, Like
it was still full up in themovie in the first movie house like that,
the big one, and Barbie wasthe one upstairs. Um, but

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you totally could have come in.I'm sure they probably just sold that eyeline.
Yeah, that's why, because itliterally wouldn't even load up the seating
chart, it just said sold out, sold out, and I did it
for like all the showings and liketo make sure it wasn't just a glitch.
And yeah, I was thinking thatbecause I was in line, just
like because they do, like thethey put out the sign. You're like,
if you're lined up for these movies, stay out here for now so

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we can bring you all in atthe same time. And even when I
was waiting for that, I sawlike a couple like old folks just walking
up to the box office. Shouldwe kick it for Appenheimer? So you
would have been fine. Okay.I did see it again, so it
was packed when I saw Barbie andOppenheimer opening day first showings, which was

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crazy because it was, you know, a Thursday afternoon. And then I
saw it again this past Wednesday atlike an eight o'clock show, absolutely fucking
packed, absolutely packed. Barbie isfucking selling seats, baby like, because
it's the other thing they did withthis, And I think this is the

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real genius is it's a friend event, you know, like you get a
group of friends together to go seeboth of these movies, or at least
Barbie, you know, like,and I think that that's the fun that's
going on, you know, like, and I think that that's what's really
selling these tickets and what's gonna makeBarbie one of the fucking highest selling movies
of the fucking year, you know, like you're like, holy shit,

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You're like, holy shit. Um, but okay, Barbie though, sorry,
I keep talking about them together,Barbie great. So I think on
on surface, a lot of peopleare gonna there's a lot of it's a
lot of things that might piss youoff, you know, like when you're
when you're first looking at it,I think, you know, like I

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think a lot of people, youknow, like the right wing gets really
fucking pissed about this. Of course, literally watch this movie, and I
had a moment where and I've neverthought this before in my life, but
I was like, BENJ Bears gonnafucking hate that. And I was right
because I watched that great advertisement,Right, it's Ben Shapiro's gonna hate it.

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Then see as soon as fucking possible. And then literally that night I
saw his review Ben Shapiro destroys Barbie, and you're like, oh, okay,
dude, you know, like,so first off, he's not he's
no fucking film critic, the manis terrible at film criticism. And and
literally couldn't fucking like the cipher afucking plot if it if it fucking if,

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He just can't. He just can'tdo it, and and and but
also there's a lot of like there'sa lot of left wing people doing just
terrible analysis of it because they're seeingthis very surface level thing that's going on
there and they're not seeing what's thereal message here, because I think when
you actually look at this movie,because it seems like, you know,

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like, oh, they they thebar you know, they bring it,
they bring back patriarchy, and itcompletely destroys the barbies and you're like you're
like, you're like, holy,what the fuck? And you know,
like and then it cans take overand they and they get pushed down,
you know, like and it's kindof like one of those things that you're
like, you're like, so whatare they trying to say here? And

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then why are they trying to say? With the ending, which I felt
was kind of sloppy when I firstwatched it, and now that I've seen
it twice, I don't think theendings as sloppy as I thought it was.
It still has some very loose ends, and I think that that's the
real mess of this movie is theending. But I think before that and

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even but even the ending has purpose, you know, like as a lot
of purpose there, because really whatthis movie is about is that like,
sure, look at this first wavefeminism that doesn't work, you know,
like, oh look, this isjust patriarchy being replicated with none of like
the societal standpoints, and that didn'twork. And then what is the real

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message here is finding out who youare, who the person next to you
is, like actual human connection andlearning who you are as a person,
and then finding out what makes youa real man, woman, person,

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like an individual, you know,like, and that's what that ending is
all about. I think is kindof great. Is that, like this
whole movie about like dolls being thrustinto this world of uh, they lived
in this kind of like the idealized, the just kind of fun land,

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and then it gets completely destroyed inan instant. And it's kind of one
of those things where you're like,those things don't stand up without realizing who
you are, you know, like, none of these things stand up without
realizing who you are as a personand what what you were made for and
what you are supposed to do,you know, like and and you're sitting

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there being like the fuck Barbie atthe end of the movie because like because
you're sitting there like think like that'sthe type of shit that is happening at
the end of the fucking movie,and you're just like what the fuck because
like it starts off so like doingstereotypical Like I would say this movie would
be an animated movie if if MargotRobbie didn't take over, like, you

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know, like in a way,this movie plays a lot like an animated
movie. And I think that that'swhat's so also fun about it, you
know, like is that the peopleare acting out this very like animated movie
type of plot um. And butalso it's constantly contemplating what uh you know,

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what what it what it means tobe uh sorry, it's kind of
complicated, but it's like it's constantlycontemplating what it means to be uh a
property in a capitalist society, whatit means to be commodifying every little bit

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of you, what it means touh basically not exist. And then and
then what is that you know,like and what and like and also what
it means to to to what yourrole as a man and a woman in
a relationship is, but also doesthat even matter sort of thing. And

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it's like one of those things thatthe reason why they're so pissed about this
movie, as it's healthy to idolizewhat is essentially product, like yeah,
a commodity, like that's that's alwaysgoing to be like a pressing debate,
just like hmmm, should our heroesbe all these fictional characters? And that's

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what I think is funny about thismovie. I've seen a lot of criticism.
I don't know if you've seen thisarticle. They're like, ah,
hate baby, and it's it wasn'tlike the Landing or something, and it
was like and it was just likethey hated how commercial it was. And
I just was like, you didn'tfucking see the movie, Like you didn't,
you didn't, you must you musthave walked out at the first third.

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Like that's the thing is a lotof people I think are taking I
said earlier, just taking this movieon base, you know, like taking
the way it happens on base,and that is not it, you know,
like I think what's on base iswhat's fun and okay for um,
you know, the Mattel you know, like it's okay for them to say

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that thing, But what Greta isfucking getting at on the second layer constantly
is what makes this movie worth watching, you know, like and makes this
like kind of an incredible movie.You're like, holy shit, I am
very glad it didn't fall into trapsthat I was worried about with those initial

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trailers, like yeah, the moment, the moment that they introduced the plot
point, it's just like, oh, Barbie and Kendra gonna go to the
real world. Huh, why dowe fucking do this every single time we
make one of these types of movies? And thankfully that actually doesn't really cover
too too. It's very like itmoves very fast through the real world,

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and it's very much like just cultureshock for it also can yeah, and
it also like keeps kind of thefish out of water stuff to a minimum,
like we don't really need like we'veall seen those. And I also
and I like that the entire moviesort of has that attitude, like the
way it's just like whatever, youcan travel from the from Barbie Land to

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the real world, it doesn't matter. We don't need to explain it.
So all of so we can allagree, all of us have seen a
fucking movie in here, Okay,let's go. And that's my thing is
like I feel like she's it's almostlike a like a lot of like fourth
wall breaking and a lot of theattitude that it's going on, you know,

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like it's not really like saying anythingwreaking the fourth wall, but like
the attitude of like of everything thatweird Barbie does basically is like a big
like let's move this thing along,you know, sort of stuff like her
having a full map of Barbie Land, her knowing the exact way to go
to the reality, you know,like like all these like funny things that

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you're like, oh, all right, you know, or like the actual
literal four flaw breaking moment with HelenMirren is the narrator when like Barbie's like
I'm so ugly now and her beinglike note to Warner Brothers, like Margot
Robbie's the worst person to cast ifyou want to try and make this kind
of point, which is super funnybecause Margot Robbie produced this movie, you

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know, like and she talks abouthow she didn't she told Greta she didn't
want to she didn't have to beBarbie. She didn't have to be there.
You could be another Barbie. It'slike and Greta was like, no,
I'm writing this for you, SoI mean, I was like that
was sort of like the immediate thing, even before we knew anything about this
movie, is just like, oh, one of the brothers is gonna try

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to do a Barbie movie with MarcoRobbie. Your first inching because like,
yeah, that seems about right.Yeah, it's right. You're like,
yeah, very very right. LikeI love also the attitude in this movie
of stereotypical Barbie. Like they're they'relike, no, this is this is
the Barbie you think about when youthink about Barbie. Like we don't have
to go any deeper than that,Like we don't have to like be like,

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oh, this is a very specificBarbie from the sixties or seventies.
They're like no, no, no, like this is stereotypical Barbie. You
know. I'm also okay, AndI'm sure it's because it's a matter of
like Barbie as a brand has neverbeen in trouble. But it is really
funny that Mattel like let them getaway with so much, especially referencings like
some of their weirder products that theymade over the years. It's like,

(31:48):
yeah, that's real. Like Ilove that the ending credits is just like
here's all these real Barbie Barbies thatthe characters you met are actually based on.
Yes, even the really weird andfucked up ones were a thing.
Yeah, so funny. And Iit's like one of those things that I
think that this is a good crowdpleasing movie too, because I think it

(32:12):
works as a younger kids movie whilestaying with very adult themes the entire time,
you know, like does not breakfrom them, is trying to tackle
these things the entire time. ButI would still say I saw a lot
of young girls going to see thisand I and they all seem to enjoy
it. You know, like everysingle person walking out of the theater seemed

(32:34):
to have a good time. AndI heard many people being like that was
great, you know, like thatwas so funny. You know, like
I definitely pleas The audience I waswith was definitely having a grand old time
with it when I went to gosee it at the Cooledge, like laughing,
laughing at like every joke, likebeing way too excited in a good

(32:55):
way. Obviously. That's just mebeings just so like yeah, yes,
pleasant, Yes you should. Youshould fucking see me at concerts. Like
I'm not the one who's bumping.I'm just like m yes, pleasant to
my ears because I'm just not thatenergetic a person. It's really funny,
just like I am enjoying myself.I'm enjoying do not do not worry.

(33:16):
I'm having a good time. Yes, I yeah, everyone was having a
good time my first showing. Inthe second show, I got Barbie.
Um. But I think what you'retrying to get at is just like that
idea of like even for a movielike this, there can still be that
little something something in the same withit, Like, yeah, the Lego
movie would still be great if itwas just about the laughs and it was

(33:38):
just about the gags. But it'spushed that little bit further by that ending
with that confrontation with the with theboy and his father. Yeah, there's
that little bit there, Like thebig speech from America Ferreira's character in this
pushes it that little bit further.It's just like yeah, yeah, which
I brings up the America Ferrera's speech. Everybody I've seen that Swatch. Barbie

(34:01):
has brought up that I didn't thatdidn't like fully blend with me, you
know, like I thought that wasvery good, but I didn't like but
everyone seems to love it, soI'm not. I'm not hating on it.
I just like I wasn't. Itwas a scene that I went by
me and then everyone else loved it, and I was kind of like,
Okay, oh good. I waslike, oh cool, Like I liked

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it too, I just didn't thinklike everybody I've talked to is brought up
that speech, and I'm like,I'm like, oh damn. It's one
of those things where I've seen thecriticism towards it, even like actual,
like healthy criticism, not just peoplejust being dicks of Just like, isn't
it kind of a little on thenose where I'm just from my perspective,

(34:43):
it's like, well, sometimes thingsneed to be hammered hard because you don't
seem to fucking get it when wetry to do it subtly. So I
think that there's two criticisms, tworeal criticisms to that speech. I think
that that is a uh and andMary said this about that speech, is
it's kind of a people pleaser's speech, Like if you're a people pleaser person,

(35:06):
that's a speech for you, youknow, like because like you don't
like if you're not, if youdon't care about pleasing people, Like I'm
sure you you don't shun like youknow like that that you're kind of like
I don't understand, but I getit, you know, like yeah,
you're like you're like yeah, AndI feel that Mary was the same way.
She was like shit, but shewas like that's more for people pleasers,

(35:27):
you know, like it's not somepeople just don't give a shit,
you know, like and you're kindof like, yeah, totally, you
know, like that makes a lotof sense, which is why, which
is definitely, but that doesn't meanlike because you have people who are people
pleasers, but that doesn't mean there'salso that not like yeah, societal pressure
whispering in your ear constantly through likemarketing and popular culture and like every just

(35:53):
everything, yeah, and just liketelling you to be something else. Yeah,
when you're like just raised around it, and what is essentially like a
heteronormative like society, especially given theUS. Yeah, and I think they
they I feel like they're really talkingabout that, especially with Ken having that
I'm Ken enough at the end,and it's kind of like, I think

(36:15):
that's it's like kind of a reallyhealthy ending for Ken, you know,
like I think it's actually a realI'm a healthy outcome. I'm not gonna
say that Ryan Gosling stole the showhe's in this movie, because everyone's really
good in this, but oh myfucking god, Ryan Gosling was the best
part about this movie to me.Yeah, I'm sorry. Everyone knows that

(36:37):
every man has a man crush onRyan Gosling. They just knew that doing
this movie. I think, youknow, like and I think that's what
I think that that's another reason whythis is people think Gosling is so fucking
good in this. I also thinkgeneral audiences forget that Ryan Gosling is funny,
yes, because I think we musicallytalented and like h and an extreme

(37:00):
yeah, just fun actor. Ithink we associate him too much with stuff
like Drive or The Notebook or likeLa La Land, where he tends to
play either like stoic characters or likestick in the mud characters, and we
don't think about stuff like some ofthe things he did in his early career,
or The Real Girl, or likethe nice Guys, but the nice

(37:21):
Guys didn't really do that well thebox office. But that he's really funny
in that that has like that likeShane Black cleverness. Yes, like he
can do both. He has morerains than I drive. He's absolutely fantastic
in this movie. I think.First off, I think Margot Robbie is
made me cry in this movie,and she's fantastic in this But I think

(37:43):
that Ryan Gosling is amazing. Histhe entire reason to see this movie.
Fuck all my pretentious film criticism,Fuck all that, This is the real
review. His angry dancing is whyyou need to have your butt in the
seat, you know, like himangry dancing towards Barbie during the Dulipa Bespoke

(38:04):
song scene is so fucking funny,And then the whole can fight at the
end is incredible. Them doing um, basically three hundred on the beach is
so fucking funny to me, youknow, like because they're they literally do
the shot like they do the boat'sland, everyone comes out. It's sort

(38:28):
of like normandy ish, But thenthey do the shot from three hundred where
they you see Xerxes from very fuckingfar away it's the other and it's Simon
Luken and you're just like, holyshit, it's um which also, by
the way, another show stealer.He absolutely steals this show and he's not
in it much. No he's not, but I think it's uh. He

(38:52):
also has one of the best RyanGosling loot lines from them when they're like
they're they're like, don't tell Kenabout this, and they're like, Ken's
not cool? Is to me?I lost it about that every both times
I love that line. I'm justlike, oh my god. And it's
funny too because it's not the onlylike I won't say pot shop, but

(39:14):
like ha ha towards Jack Snyder,because you get like the three hundred thing,
which is a little more subtle,like you wouldn't know, but then
the fight, the actual just likeslight the joke for the Snyder cut was
really fucking funny. I suddenly caredso much about Snyder's justice, like but
you're like, oh my god,Warner Brothers going on. It's so funny

(39:37):
that, like because for better orWorse, because you and I like that
movie and we also like Jack Snyderas a filmmaker, but because the fucking
Snyder cut fanboys are so rabid andannoying. We have to clarify that we're
not fucking nuts. I can soI will say, is that that's the
toxic masculinity the event that they're tryingto address there. Yeah, I know,

(40:00):
like this this toxicity instead of justuh fandom, you know, where
you switch from being like, Wow, I'm so excited to see this movie,
I'm so glad it's happening to turninginto like hurting people and doxing people
and just being general assholes online.Is the shit they're addressing, not the

(40:21):
actual Like, guys, if you'reupset that they brought up the Zack Snyder
cut and during the movie, they'renot saying the Zack Snyder cut is bad,
They're saying, you caring so muchabout getting that Snyder cut is the
problem, you know, Like beingtoxic about it is the issue. You
know, like you're just like andthat's kind of like a lot of what's
going on here. And the cynicalside of the cynical side of me definitely

(40:45):
laughed at, like, yeah,we brought end to the real world and
he spent one day in the realworld and like brought all this stupid shit
back with him just like yeah,right, right, scenes scenes, right,
But I do like that there's noreal villain here that like the the
like Ken comes back and he's justkind of retaliating against Barbie, you know,

(41:14):
like it is just being like,please, can I have your attention
Barbies. Yeah, there's no likestraight villain, but he does like fulfill
that antagonistic role in the second half, which is great and I'm glad like
none of the trailers gave that away. Yeah, exactly, Like all the
trailers really just like stuck to likegoing to the real world a little bit

(41:35):
of like meeting the Mattel Board,and that's pretty much it. They didn't
give anything away as far as likethe other stuff, which is great because
I was hoping that there would bea turn, and yeah, I do.
I do enjoy the turn, youknow, like I like, I
like that it's just this stupidity,but I also love the lines during it,
like them being like, you know, when I found out that,

(41:59):
like horses are just extension of manhood, Oh honestly, I lost all interest
in patriarchy when I found that thatit wasn't solely about horses, which is
such which is also perfect because likethat's that like all the Ken's act like
young boys, yes, like thatsort of single minded sometimes they don't know

(42:22):
any better, but just like I'mreally into this one thing, damn it,
I will say. The him takingover the modo dojo kasa house is
works on many levels because it's theway your younger brother steps in and plays
with your barbies, you know,like sort of thing where it's like they

(42:44):
step in, they take over,and they become the main characters when you
know, the bigger sister's been themain character the entire time with her Barbie,
you know, like and that becomesthe like the contention there. So
it's like it's a very classic playthinggoing on there. It's also Barbi can
trying to show show Barbie he iscool, you know, like you could

(43:07):
lose me, you know, likeit's it's so insecure. It so like
you could lose me, Barbie.I'm way cooler, you know, like
it's you know, it's don't beso secure about having me, Barbie,
you know sort of thing going on. And even the songs they sing at,
uh, you know, I wantto push you around, I Will
is such a needy song. Youknow, like it's such like a perfect

(43:30):
song because it implies violence, butall it is really is super needy,
you know. I mean it alsojust it just boils down to mending therapy.
Yeah. Yeah, you're like itjust kind of comes back to that,
just like, uh no, no, your potential partner isn't there to
fix your life. Yeah, andnot there for you either, you know,

(43:50):
like all the time. You know, it's just like that they don't
have to fix everything about you,you know, not everything does, you
know, Like you're like patre argueand fix it, and neither will Barbie,
you know, like you have tofind out who you are Ken.
And I was like, wow,that's a that's a healthy fucking ending for
Ken there, you know, likethey I know, a bunch of you
know, like I know Bench Pirowas just like they just leave diege Maier

(44:13):
and he was able to take overyour at Barbie Nandy, You're like shut
up, you know, like you'relike shut your goddamn mouth, like you've
misunderstood this completely, like just likeshit. But I will say I was
saying my criticism of the ending ofthis movie because I think the beginning's genius.
I think it brings you in.Uh, it feels great the entire

(44:35):
time. It definitely slows down whenthey go to Barbie, when they go
to the real world, but invery short chunks, you know, they
move very fast. They keep itfun um, you know. Like.
But I will say, it's kindof like the real problem is the ending.
And I think that's where the realtrue criticism for me comes in is
that I think it's a little messy. I think there's a lot being said

(44:59):
about the ending, and I thinkthat can you know, like basically the
Ken's being not in a better placeother than Ken, uh, you know,
like the the the the the Barbiesare back in power and haven't actually
changed anything. So nothing's really changed. So it's like Mattel's happy, you

(45:19):
know, And that's what they're sayingthere, Like that's what they're saying,
is like Mattel's happy. But it'skind of one of those things where you're
like what you know, Like andAmerica Ferreira just gets to come up with
a Barbie that's insanely popular, butthat's the end of her character story other
than she gets to be with herdaughter a bunch. It's kind of I
felt like I felt like this sometimesbetween like her and her daughter felt kind

(45:45):
of underdeveloped. Yes, I thinkthat that's what I'm saying here. Yeah,
like there's the there's kind of theseloose time ends, not really loose
ends because everything's sort of addressed atthe ending. Um, but even the
script says it. They're like,well what about Barbie's ending? Everyone has
their ending, and you're just likeyou're like, yeah, but none of

(46:06):
those endings were very shot as factory. You know. I get the idea
of like them sort of like goingback to the sas quo because like,
are not people aside from that wefollow, we're pretty much happy where they
were. And there is that likeglimmer of just like now you guys can
like find your own thing. Yeah, maybe not necessarily have maybe not necessarily

(46:30):
just like have one or the other, but like you guys can find what
you need on your own after thefact. And I get the joke of
like she came up with a Barbieand it's insanely popular. But they don't
even solve the metel issue of theall male board, which felt like it

(46:50):
was an issue and they just don'tdeal with it at the end, you
know, like it just feels likeit's just kind of like a you know,
like, yeah, I figured theywere gonna like promote America for Eri's
character or something and like bring heron the board, right. I'm just
like like something, you know,like and that's That's what I'm saying here,
is that I think there's this endinghas a lot of meaning, especially

(47:13):
with Barbie becoming real and going tothe gynecologist. You know, I feel
like there's a lot of meaning.It's hilarious joke, but it's it's it's
a hilarious joke, but it's alsoI'm also dripping with meaning, you know,
Like I feel like I'm also gladthat they like they telegraph that she's
going to a job interview and it'sjust a gynecology appointment, because I feel

(47:35):
like any job you would potentially giveBarbie could potentially be problematic from just a
societal standpoint. So just to noteven have that conversation at all, it's
just like, oh, just haveher be an appointment. I did,
because depending on like what job yougive her would probably rub people the wrong
way. Yeah, my thing wasmaybe that she was going to go in

(47:58):
to work as creating Barbies, youknow, like that's what I thought,
what was gonna happen there, youknow, like and but that was not
well. They went for the joke, and like I do like the joke,
and I yea, but that's sortof the issue. Like if you
have her work at Mattel's, likemaybe like a conceptualist, then she's still

(48:19):
kind of working under like the bigboard of stupid men up top, So
that's not satisfying enough. Yeah,if you have if you have her like
join the board or takeover, it'sjust like, well, she doesn't need
to join the board to take overthe prooverself, so that doesn't work.
So that's all. They just avoidedsaying what her profession is in general,
just like whatever, she's just aperson. She went to an appointment,

(48:40):
because I feel like there's kind ofa no win scenario there, Like the
moment the moment you're like she's goinginto the real world, you're still going
into the real world with a lotof fucking problems in the way we treat
women. So either way you're kindof fucked. Yeah, I agree,
And I think that's what they're tryingto say there, you know, like

(49:01):
at the very end that like thecognitive dissonance, you know, like me
and being a real woman is isis so big and wide that even the
Barbies who have never been women areinstantly snapped out of their trance when they
hear how big of the cognitive distance. Because at first, when I saw

(49:23):
that, I was like, Iwas like, so you just state things
to these fake barbies and they snapout of it. Seems too easy.
Like even Alan didn't even get tolike have a great moment other than kicking
everyone's ass. I thought Alan mightbe smart or something like that, but
they were like nah, no,Like, yeah, it's interesting because Alan

(49:43):
seems to be like the only one, even before Barbie and Ken, to
have some sort of semblance of selfawareness. Yeah, right, Like he
understands what's going on sort of thing. And you're just like, fucking people
buy Barbies, barely care about theKens. What do you fucking think that
puts me? I? I andI think the whole I think that's I

(50:07):
think. My main two criticisms isthis basically this kind of messy ending.
But I feel like the mending hasa lot of meaning and they're doing a
lot with it. But also someof the pacing once were in the real
world and moving off and the underdevelopment, which is like the mom it's all

(50:27):
because it's a tough subject. Yeah, that's that's the thing, Like you
can't it's gonna it would be reallyhard to end this movie and be like
I did it. I solved,Yes, I fixed it. Yes,
I so okay. So my criticismto this is that, like, because
that's the thing is like when I'msaying that, I'm talk I'm trying,

(50:49):
I'm it's it's kind of like expectinggood salads from McDonald's. You're like,
this is motherfucking McDonald's my brother.Yeah, you know, like you know,
like this is not this is Barbie. This is supposed to fix fucking
any shit. You know, likethis is just supposed to In my way,
I think that you were like youknow that you were saying America prayers,
putting it out there very bluntly.Some people have never heard this type

(51:13):
of shit before in their lives.You know. That's why it's important to
say this in this movie. Youknow, like some people have never fucking
thought about this, you know,like it may seem seem simple, and
there's lots of men who have neverhad sisters and they've only had moms,
and they just don't fucking give ashit about their words or ever thought about
this. Yeah, terrible people.But or even they've consumed or they've consumed

(51:34):
media, were like the messages thereright in front of their fucking face,
played not that subtly, and thenit'll still go over their heads. Like
the people who say Star Trek wasnever political, Oh my god, right,
you're like, just like Star Trek, just why Star Trek still political?
Now? Now? Now? Nowthe whole time, motherfucker, like
whole motherfucker tis. So it's oneof those things where like sometimes you can't
sometimes even being like subtle or makingit metaphorical or like not being so on

(52:00):
the nose, sometimes that doesn't help. Sometimes you need a fucking hammer to
the nose. Yes, just likeno, just so we're fucking clear you
want to deny it otherwise. AndI think that that's what's really great here.
And but also there's if you wanta movie that's really tackling the actual
violence of men and the actual likeconsequences of men's actions against women, there's

(52:25):
a movie called Women's Talking. Itwas up for Best Picture nomination last year.
It's fucking incredible. I recommend it. That's the one you're looking for
if you want something that deep,that strong, that great invoice. Women's
Talking was up for Best Picture andit didn't win, you know, like
and it looked. It's fucking incredibleto absolutely recommend that movie and might be

(52:50):
a good companion piece to this movie. Afterward, where you're like, you're
like that was kind of light.You're like, well, what feminism dark?
You know, like you're like,oh shit, women talking, you
know, like you like like likethat is far better at tackling those topics
actually head on with real dialogue thatfeels truthful. But it is also nice
that a movie like Barbie, whichcould have just been a do nothing film

(53:13):
at least well had the conversation andit did and uh to put in a
little bit of our like preproduction knowledgeinto this. It did. If you
if you look back at the historyof the Barbie movie, there was a
whole Barbie movie with Amy Schumer beforethey were literally up to shooting it,
before studios stepped in and shut itdown. Um, basically, what I

(53:37):
what I've what I've read, andwhat I've been told about the movie is
that it's just kind of a straightup like Barbie goes to the real world,
um and and and you know hasto fight what is uh, you
know, sexism in the real worldwith Amy Schumer trying to be that and
uh, I can see that notbeing funny because Amy Schumer not funny.

(54:00):
That's because that's the real difference here, Like I could see that, yes,
that was the movie we got exactly. I think that Greta Gerwig,
Margot Robbie can deliver a lot moreand I can say a lot more than
just a weird romcom Barbie movie,you know, like I'm sure it would

(54:20):
have done well, but this isnot This is what actually fills seats.
You know, I think this isa you know, like you're like,
come on, actually it's and it'slike it's it's always funny when a movie
that's actually like well thought out andhas deeper meanings going on, and of
course it does well with audiences.You know, like the studios are constantly

(54:42):
being like, oh, maren itMichael above the audience's head. They're like,
audiences love deeper shit, so shutup. Actually, like nobody wants
this like shallow Barbie movie from maybeshuhere. People want a deeper Barbie movie
from Greta Gerwig, you know,like, and it worked, you know,
like in a big way. II do think one of the strengths
of this movie was one of theweaknesses that I said about UM Across the

(55:07):
Spider Verse. I said, Acrossthe Spider Verse had a soundtrack where they
mentioned Spider Man a lot, andit feels kind of musically like a musical
in that way where they're like mentioningPeter Parker, they're mentioning Miles, they're
mentioning Spider Man, but they don'tuse it in the movie as such.
And I think that that's and thatwas my criticism for that movie, one

(55:27):
of the only criticism I had forthat movie. Uh. But this movie
actually leans into it's musical uh loveof musicals, and it's and kind of
the fun of musicals. Here startsoff with Lizzou doing a whole scene for
uh, the entrance you know,high Barbie uh and the whole and then

(55:50):
you have a complete choreograph to theDulepa song uh for for that and then
you still have Ryan Goslin I'm justken later on UM. And also Taman
Paula's song is literally called crossing Overinto Reality. That they play over the
first time you crossed into reality andyou're just like, okay, so you

(56:14):
leaned into the actual music and you'reable to express feelings, moods, uh,
stuff that can't get across and dialoguethrough the music. And I think
that that's what makes this that actualuseful use of always saying Barbie, you
know, always saying what's you know, like they actually used it in the

(56:35):
movie. That it's like it seemedlike it was crafted around it instead of
just like, oh yeah, mentionedmentioned Peter Parker in that song guys,
yeah, just so we could throwit in this movie. You know,
that's the that's the difference, youknow, like actually purposeful. I think
they're very purposeful with the music inthis movie. And I think that and
it shows, you know, likeand I think that that's what makes that

(56:57):
that elevates this movie that much more, you know, like, um,
and I'm glad that Greta gerworks.Like, I don't know, I'm not
thinking about a sequel right now.Good, I don't, he said,
I used up all my ideas.When I do any movie, I use
up all my ideas. Though,I'm like gret I fucking love it.
Yeah, mentality that we used tohave because back in the day, you

(57:20):
were not immediately guaranteed a sequel,which is why I've spoken about how like
I really like the Aquaman movie.Doing that it's just like it's is it
kind of overstuffed? Yeah, butit is kind of nice. Just like
we may never swing. It's like, we may never get a chance to
do an Aquaman movie again, sowe just fucking put everything. It's the

(57:40):
idea of like why we do theweird thing in Batman in Denine that we
make the joker the person who killedBruce's parents because we want to make this
a complete story in case we don'tget another chance to do right one and
you can't build on it. It'slike you won't have a second chance.
This is it. Do it,do the whole story, you know,
like and I like that. Ilike that attitude. Um, So,

(58:02):
any final thoughts on Barbie before wemove on to Openheimer. Where was the
Akwa song? Where was? Imean, they had the Nicki Minajs version,
but of course it's not the same. It's all of those things there.
I do like this album a lot, the Barbie album. I have
a lot of the music on mylike playlist right now, um, and
I like it a lot. TheCharlie XX song is great, uh that,

(58:25):
you know, like I'm not somuch into the sadder songs other than
I'm just ken of course, andmostly for the uh gene Kelly reference at
that when they go and they dancebattle against each other, it feels very
uh Gene Kelly and Frank Sinatra inOh Man I forget in the movie,

(58:47):
but it's it feels like them,you know, like whether it's it's Simon
lew and dry Goza dance battling andthat I feel like that's one of the
like one of my favorite parts ofthe movie first off, and also it's
just like visually really fun. ButI also really loved Silver Platter by Kalid
Uh, Journey to I already said, Journey to the Real World by Tam

(59:08):
Puala and Speed Drive by Charlie Xx. And of course my my new favorites.
I've been listening too much of theirK pop fifty fifty doing Barbie Dreams,
that Ship's Shit's Fire. I know, I love fifty fifty. I'm
sorry I stand here in this housefor them, but uh, you know,

(59:29):
uh you great soundtrack. Frank youdon't need to be ashamed for liking
K pop, because that's another exampleof just like, no, I'm not
supposed to like it because a lotof young girls do. Yeah. And
you're like, but but it's it'sfifty fifty Jamin, Like, I'm I'm
literally that pat that Patrick Bateman meanwhere they're like him walking through the hall

(59:49):
and like his headphones and it's fiftyfifty being like and I'm just like,
yeah, that's me, Like,you know, like people see me speeding
down the highway, they're like,I bet he's listening to the metal and
I'm just being like anything anything,and you're like, okay, Like,
but I think that, uh,I think that a great soundtrack makes a
movie live even longer, you know, Like I feel like that's It's like,

(01:00:13):
in some ways, for some reason, this movie my like weird final
thought in this movie and DeShawn,this might be crazy, just is this
weird? Is this movie very Shreklike in a lot of ways. I
feel like in some ways this moviefollows in the footsteps of Shrek in a
lot of ways where it's like breakingdown the fairy tales and it's like and

(01:00:37):
it's like feels very adult at thesame time as being made for kids.
At Yeah, that's it's not abad comparison. It's weird to say because
you're all I think it's not.I think it's only weird to say because
the internet has a really fucking weirdthing about the Shrek. Yeah, that's
it, and they're weird obsession withit makes me want to never watch it
again. But great movie. Thisis a movie, YEA, like one

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of those movies I remember seeing attheaters as a young kid and like,
I still I saw it recently thisyear and we still loved it. You
know, like I'm like, wow, this movie is still great. It
was a bad influence on animated filmsgoing forward because we learned the wrong lessons
from it, But yeah, it'sa good movie. It's a good movie.
I feel like that happens with everygreat animated movie. All the other

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animated movies will like, so wedo that. Oh you want to talk
about learning the wrong lesson? I'mfucking sure that studios are gonna try and
like replicate this novelty with this doublefeature and try to do try to do
it themselves, but not Letty.They're doing, um what what it was

(01:01:42):
it. Oh the fucking Saw Xwith Paw Patrol. Yeah, so it's
Saw Patrol. Like just like no, guys, no, you're like,
no, nobody is also going toPaw Patrol. And but it's one of
those things that like it's such ajoke too, because these two movies work
well together, even even if theywere on the same day. But like

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literally the parents who are going tosee Paw Patrol can't bring their kids to
see Saw, you know, likethis isn't like this doesn't work, you
know, like it's not the kidsmovie being included does not work with this.
You know, like you're like,I'm sorry, it's cool name Saw
Patrol, very cool, but it'snot gonna work. And I am worried

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about them trying to replicate this.But at the same time, if people
go to the movies more, I'mfucking for it, you know, like
that's all I'll say. But itis one of those things where like when
something happens organically versus where you tryto force it on people. Yes,
to me, this feels them tryingto replicate It feels very much like them

(01:02:49):
putting out Morbius for the third time, you know, like where you're like
you fucking did not understand. Motherfucker. You know, like you did not
get it. Your algorithm is tellingyou you're doing well and you're not.
You know, God damn, Istill haven't seen Morebus. I'm not going
to do that to myself. That'sall I'm saying. I didn't even watch
Venom. What makes you think I'mgonna watch Morbus or fucking Craven exactly?

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You just keep me away? UmSo, uh, Barbie, though I
think it. I think a lotof people who aren't very good at reading
what's between the lines or what's goingon underneath, we might not enjoy Barbie
as much. But might they.I think that this is a very good

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movie. I loved it. Irecommend it to anybody. It was a
lot of fun. It is moreor less what I hoped for when they
said who the creative team was,because like a Barbie movie, that's not
really for me. A Barbie moviedone by Greta Gerwig and no a bomb
box, Like, yes, okay, what have you got? What's what's
what's up your sleeve? So Iwill say the number one scene that made

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me cry about Barbie. I almostforgot to bring it up is the her
turning to the old lady and saying, you're beautiful. The old lady says,
don't I know it? And Ifucking burst into tears. I was
like, where the fuck did thatcome from? Me? Like, I
was just like, ah, likebecause all of a sudden, that seems

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so fucking beautiful. First off,I want to break that scene down because
it's literally Barbie in the real worldfor the first time, not getting harassed.
She's finally having a chance to sitdown. She's looking around and she's
seeing real pain that is being caused, real pain and love being caused by
people to each other. And she'slike seeing it like because the cans of

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the Barbies just work all well togetherand they have a good time. So
it's the first time of her seeingthis, and she's kind of like horrified
but also in wonder of what's goingon, and and and it's and it's
kind of this great like human experiencescene where they're like showing off this like
even in a park, you cansee this gigantic range of human emotion and

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experience. And then for her tochange turn and see this older woman and
see the beauty in the wrinkles,like the wrinkles tell a tale that she's
been here for years and that she'slived through It's like physical and emotionally and
right and just like the experience likethat makes up a person. The imperfections

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make up a person. Yeah,and then her to spit back. The
confidence is funny but also comes witha kind of knowledge that only age has,
you know, like where you cansee the beauty in everything and especially

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in yourself and the years you've hadin the life you've led. And I
think that that's why I fucking brokedown about that scene. I was like,
fuck me, you know, likeI was like, I was like,
where did that come from? Iwas having a funny naha time,
Like I was like whoa like anduh And then they still got me later

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on, But I think that thatwas the real scene that like broke me.
And I was like Jesus, Iwas like, I was like,
that was something beautiful and amazing there, you know, like, and I
had, Yeah, it's the rightamount of like it's a very simple but
poignant scene, and I guess shesaw it for that They were like cut
this, and you can see thatthey could have cut it. At second

(01:06:40):
watching of it, you can seethat they could have just edited around it,
just completely edited out that whole oldLady scene. Oh oh, it's
just not the same, you know. And it's one of those things you're
like I could see on paper peoplelike not quite getting it, especially when
like you gotta fucking just trim thisdown. It's not like it's not like

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a case or like the first WonderWoman film where like Warner Brothers wanted to
cut the fucking trench scene. Justis like, oh, you mean the
scene in the fucking movie, likethe set piece, are you insane?
Like on paper, I could seelike do we really need this? But
it's just one of those things wherelike, no, that's a simple but
poignant moment. When it is,and it's a crux of it, I
feel like, you know, likeit's it's what this movie is about in

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a lot of ways, because itis Barbie finding out what it means to
be human in a in a inin the real world, instead of just
you know, being like, what'sthe soul and the ster behind the plastic
veil? Yeah, fuck me right, It's like why it's like the fact
that we even have a type ofconversation like this at all concerning the Barbie

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movie is a good sign. It'sa damn good sign. Now, guys.
I loved it. I will giveit. I for me, it's
a I feel like it's in eightout of ten. I like there is
some messiness here, but I feellike this is this is a great movie.
Absolutely go see it. I wantto own it. I want to

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buy it. I want, like, absolutely go see this movie. I
saw it twice already. I mightgo see it again. Um I it's
that it's that fun. It's thatuh, there's so much to it that
I feel like there's more to see, you know, like and and that's
what I thought I would get outof Openheimer. Um so that's funny that
Barbie gave me that, you know, like the like, oh, I

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need to go back and watch thatagain, you know, like because usually
I walk out of a Nolan filmand I'm like, fuck, I didn't
take that all in, you know, like I gotta go back, you
know, like and I did.So I do feel that way, but
I feel like this is three hoursand after seeing Barbie, You're kind of
like I feel that three hours I'vebeen you know, like you're like,
I know you're saying that I probablyhave the better idea of doing Oppenheimer first.

(01:08:51):
Yes, I wanted to do thatOppenheimer first. I would say,
that's my recommendation. To save yourselffrom the devastation of Oppenheimer, you need
to go see Barbie afterwards, likego see Oppenheimer. Do what I did.
I did. Oppenheimer left the theaterbriefly to get something to eat,
just to like unwind a little bit, and then Barbie was just the cool
down. Even though that has itsfair amount of depth, it's still a

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lot lighter, a lot lighter becauseI think of the realism that uh that
that Dolan is going for in thismovie. He's able to bring a lot
to Oppenheimer and is able to tellhis story in a real way and uh
and and still somehow, even fora World War Two history buff who knows

(01:09:36):
all this shit. I know allthat I know Manhattan Project shit. You
know like I that none of thisshould have been surprising or thrilling to me,
because I fucking know how went down. I know. I like,
I've I've i've i've I've not readthe book that they're talking about, but
I've skimmed it. I know whatthey're talking about here so tense. Oh

(01:10:00):
ah, well, this movie fuckintense. You know, like, God
damn, what an intense fucking moviethis, you know, like that's what
I'm saying, that you want togo to Barbie afterward because it's just kind
of a release in comparison to likethat. I think that, Yeah,
I think Oppenheimer is you know,like you're like, oh jeez, it
was. I think it was RedLetter Media who said that, like Oppenheimer

(01:10:20):
was just a three hour long panicattack, and they love, yes,
yes, I will say that thatis it is that like, is is
that so intense? I literally couldn'tstand the Trinity scene. I know what
happened that the Trinion test. Noone dies, no one sir. I
still was like fuck. I waslike like, I was like, this

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is so intense. They were ableto like make it so suspenseful just for
the Trinity Test. So it's noteven like the suspense of dropping the bomb,
which is what I thought would bethe big suspense five point in the
movie. Nope, it's the firstfucking tests. I actually and this is
something that's sort of like I won'tsay, not like a hard divide for

(01:11:05):
people. Yeah, but I actuallylove that the most we see of it
is the Trinity Test. We don'teven see the bombs drop in Japan.
I actually love that they keep saythat's an absolute highlight of this. Yeah.
I love that they just keep itfrom the perspective of the Americans who
wouldn't be able to actually witness it, and it keeps it that way because

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there's that like element of dehumanization,like it's happening over there, so we
can be cheerful about it, especiallyfrom the people who didn't work on the
tests, who wouldn't know just likeexactly what we've unleashed and it Openheimer doesn't
even ever see the results of Nagasakiare Hiroshima because until he until they're researching

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what the effects of their bomb is, so they don't even he doesn't even
get to see what the devastation isuntil they're showing. And I love that
scene also because because they don't showit, it's just him being like looking
up seeing the devastation on the screenand like keeping it on him and he's
just horrified and he can't look andthen he has the mental breakdown later where

(01:12:13):
he's like seeing, yeah, he'sdoing like the rallying and just trying to
be like the good old patriots,just like, aha, we really showed
them. And then just like seeingvisions of all the people he worked on
it with like turn to ash orburn or throw up from radiation sickness.
Yeah, you're just like like theactual violence of the bomb that he created,

(01:12:35):
but he never sees it until hisvisions of it. And I love
that because it almost makes it evenmore horrifying, you know, like that
it's like this thing that that youknow, like that you dropped and it
and just film is so good withlike demonstrating like the callousness of humanity sometimes.

(01:12:58):
Like I loved the bit where theywere just like casually discussing where to
drop the bombs yea and the generaland the general is just like, but
let's not do Kyoto. I wentto my honeymoon there with my wife.
It's a lovely city. You're like, right, what the fuck? I
love that scene. I love thatscene so much because, uh, you

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know, like there's a lot ofdebate in this in this movie if Nolan's
like kind of an apologist for this, you know, like you know,
like they're like is Nolan kind ofbeing like it's Okay, they had to
drop the bomb, you know,like and sort of is. But I
feel like he shows his true feelingson it in that scene because it shows

(01:13:42):
how uncaring I'm feeling, like justabsolutely like not thinking of the humanity.
They're about to just fucking white.I think it. I think because we
spend because it's such a good characterpiece for the way we portray Oppenheimer in
this. Yeah, like it worksbecause you have like the like I mean,
it's all about the scientific ambition.We gotta make it. We gotta

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make it. We gotta beat them, we gotta beat them to it,
and just to get even the point, it's just like I now know what's
been made and I've seen it.I can only imagine what it will do
to people. And it's even tothe point we're just like, oh,
the Germans are out of the war. Yeah, we gotta find someone to
drop this on. We spend somuch money on it, you're like,

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and also the like brilliance. Ihad initially thought that the black and white
versus color was like Strauss's point ofview versus everyone else's point of view.
No one said, no one hasactually said that, like it is that,
but it's a little broader. It'sobjective versus subjective, and that's kind
of brilliant. Yeah. So it'slike people's perspective on the events versus the

(01:14:51):
people actually involved. Yes, exactly. Like when they're showing the black white
events color frying Stegn at the end, you know, it's like it is
the real moment instead of just thatthem people witnessing them, Openheimer and Einstein
having that moment. You know,like you're just like, oh shit,
I love that. I love SoI want to say, in broad terms

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before I get into like the nittygritty stuff, I love the absolute filmmaking
of this of this movie. Youknow, like Nolan said, he did
not use CGI in this movie.Incredible. Uh, the absolute which dedication
to the direction of this film isYes, I know, I know they
they did the Trinity test itself likeum practically, and I know how they

(01:15:38):
did it. I do wonder ifit's if it's mostly miniatures, mostly maniatures.
No, not the explosion itself.But he I keep hearing no CGI,
no CGI, no CGI, butwhat about like the visions of the
world on fire? Yeah, soso that was a big like it is
miniatures again, it's like the biglike a miniature of Earth on fire and

(01:16:02):
they were able to like get sucha close shot of it that like it's
it's just incredible the miniature work onthis, you know, Like it's one
of those things that you're like,you're like, fucking, it's such a
such a fucking flex. Like wehad made the jokes when it was announced
that like, no, he wasdoing a film about Oppenheimer. I'm just
like this fucking madman who is justlike, unless it's impossible to do practically,

(01:16:27):
I'm fucking doing it practically. Justlike, oh, he's doing a
biopic about Robert J. Oppenheimer's justlike, is this a motherfucker about to
drop some news to get the Iwas saying that that's the real Like the
they were basically implying every one ofthose articles that he was gonna fucking bumped
the pick. They're like, no, no, no, cgi in this

(01:16:47):
movie. No, it's all practical. You're like, what does that mean?
Motherfucker? What do you fucking mean? It's like that fucking hot ones
like Jennifer laurentem what do you whatdo you mean? What do you mean?
What do you mean? Exactly?You're just like you're like, what
the fuck, but you can tellit's it's it's miniatures or explosions on a

(01:17:09):
closed set or you know, likein the desert and stuff like that.
And I like they use a combinationof many shots and just from a perspective,
like I love I love that theTrinity test isn't played. It's just
like, look, how fucking coolthis is. Yes, In fact,
the explosion itself, while it's coolthat it's done practically, isn't from like

(01:17:29):
a spectacle standpoint all that impressive.It's really about the reactions of everyone.
Yes, like the fucking the shit, like just the white light, yes,
every hitting everybody and everyone wearing thesunscreen and everything. And then of
course Oppenheimer says the quote yes right. And the fact that it's also completely

(01:17:49):
silent for a second. I know, really absolutely you could hear a pin
drop in my theater when that fuckinghappened. That was like just like holy
fuck, like Jesus Christ. Ijust the absolute the confidence of Nolan in

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this movie is what I like here, and how much it doesn't always feel
like a Nolan film. The onlytime it felt like a stereotypical Nolan film
was they have the one scene wherethey're like bouncing off the ideas with each
other, and that felt very inceptione, you know, like and that
was the only scene that I feltlike I was like, Okay, I'm

(01:18:33):
watching a fucking Nolan film, youknow, like you're like ok I felt
that. And when we were inlike the like tiny little conference room where
Oppenheimer was not on trial but hemight as well be, when the fucking
muse, when the fucking Ludwick Grandson'smusic was just blasting, because boy oh
boy, Nolan love his music right, loves it, loves it, by

(01:18:56):
the way, fucking blaring. Everytime I saw Barbie, you could fucking
hear Openheimer through the wall, likeyou know, like that it's a loud
fucking movie. Yeah, I couldhear it. I could hear it from
below because you've been to the coolIt's like there's the main movie house one
and then there's the movie house twoupstairs. Barbie was upstairs, so I
could hear when the I could hearwhen the Trinity test was going on downstairs,

(01:19:19):
like I could, I could justlike feel it in my feet.
You're like, holy fuck, it'sallowed. I would say, It's like
I love seeing Barbie in theaters,but like the real like spectacle movie is
this, you know, like thisis like, you know, like the
Barbie is worth seeing in theaters absolutelyfor the fun of it, for the

(01:19:43):
laugh seeing it with other people.It's absolutely it. But if you're talking
about pure spectacle, pure feeling,pure rumbling, the fucking seats and the
testacles, you're talking about fucking openheimer. Yeah, because even if it's the
movie where if you want to likebe reductive about it's a bunch of people
talking in conference rooms. But okay, but but but but I will say

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we are not big fans of Wewatch a lot of biography films, but
we always point out how it's hardto make real life, like the real
things that happened interesting, you know, like and I feel like a lot
of biographies fall into that trap ofthe they're like, well, this is
what actually happened, even though itdoesn't work for the plot, you know,

(01:20:28):
like or anything like that, andyou're like, you're telling a story.
Who cares about if it worked forthe plot? You know, like
make it work better? You know. Yeah, it's a it's a tough
balance a lot of them, becauseyou have to balance like this needs to
work as a narrative film and guesswhat, real life doesn't work like a
narrative film. But also so youneed to dramatize it. There will always
be dramatization to some extent, butthere's also the point where you go too

(01:20:53):
far m exactly, and I thinkthis movie treads that line extremely well and
is able to tell a great biographystory well also delivering something of like twelve
Angry Men caliber, uh, likecourtroom scenes here, you know, like
angry Man. I love twelve thatis the talk about we'll be we'll be

(01:21:16):
getting to it eventually eventually. ButI think it's one of the greatest movies
of all time, and I thinkthey do a great job here of like
capturing that greatness, you know,like that like we can make a courtroom
drama uh personal and also um fullof drama, will also staying realistic to

(01:21:39):
being a court drama. And youalso it's also so well cracked that you
get who these people are just throughconversation, even without like proportionate like actions,
yes exactly. It's like I thinkthat you know, I think a
real true criticism is that there isa lot of exposition in this movie.

(01:22:00):
But I think that that's kind ofpeople telling each other's stories about each other,
you know, like a movie withthe subject material, you're kind of
going in knowing that it's going tobe this. Yes, it is at
its heart like a political drama.Yeah, that's why I that's what that
I would say the scene which mademe go, this is a Nolan film,

(01:22:25):
and how it and and that isthe reason why I'm giving this a
nine instead of pushing it all theway to a fucking ten. But like
I feel like that that this moviedeserves that because this is this is fantastically
crafted, extremely the cast is sofucking good. We haven't even started talking
about the fucking cast here. Holyfuck, this fucking movie must have been

(01:22:48):
a bitch to edit. Yeah,right, because it is another Nolan film
which is told from a nonlinear standpoint, uh huh, which he loves.
Like there's always even when the movie'snot about time, there's always an undercurrent
element of time, an element oftime, Like that's just something that like

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no one thinks about time a lot. And I think that that's why this
feels so great as a biography film, is that it's able to jump around
in time, and it feel naturaland and not jarring, uh and and
and you're and it's entertaining the entiretime. Like I say, you feel

(01:23:31):
three hours, but that's just becauseyou saw a barbie before, you know,
like you know, like it's likeit's like otherwise I don't think you'd
feel it as much, but itis. Uh, there's a lot going
on here. There's a fucking lotgoing on, because it is they say
at the beginning, they're like,how could one I would hate to have
to defend your whole entire life incourt is basically there's the line they say

(01:23:56):
at the beginning, and you're like, you know, like some of your
life up in court or something likethat. That's the line, and and
you're like, and that's kind ofwhat the movie is, you know,
and they kind of like drop thatpremise and then like kind of run with
it. And there's also that likeaccording to like Killian Murphy, like the
principal photography for this was actually quickfifty seven days. What the fuck?

(01:24:18):
What the fucking shot this in fiftyseven fucking day? That's insane? All
on film? What the fuck?Nolan? What like what what you know?
Like crazy shit? Uh? Butthey also said, uh, he
didn't have a video village so noone, no yea like what they did

(01:24:42):
on film, because it's like youcan see like through production for like most
of his stuff, Like Nolan's nota video village person Like he is very
like old school mentality, like Iknow what my cinematographer is doing, I
know what the shot will look like. I need the confidence. It's just
me. I'll know when the shotis right, you know, Like it's
not you. You don't make thechoice I do. And you're kind of

(01:25:03):
like I do love that, Ithink all And that's the reason why you
know there was the behind the scenesstory of Matt Damon was like in a
couples therapy with his wife and hewas like, I won't work for the
next year and a half except ifNolan calls me up. And you're like,
first off, fair dude, youknow. And it also makes sense
because he has worked with Nolan beforehe was an Interstellar, so that was

(01:25:26):
a possibility. It wouldn't be likeif no One calls we've never worked together
before, but you know, justin case, but like they have history.
But it's kind of one of thosethings where you're like one of the
greatest artists of your time calls youup. Yeah you're gonna say yes,
you know, like and I dolove it. I will say this is

(01:25:46):
one of Robert Downey Junior's best films. Uh, we were just talking about
Matt Damon, but like I willsay about it. Actually said that he
considers this the best movie he's everbeen in, not a far stretch,
to be fair. It's like,yeah, guys, I know you love
Endgame. I know you're like homeMan, but Endgames so good, guys,
come on. Yeah, Like he'splayed Tony Stark for so long that

(01:26:13):
it's just one of those things.Like he said, he was worried if
something like broke in him for that, like maybe he didn't have the range
anymore to play other stuff because hehad like gotten so comfortable with just playing
this one thing. He's so muchactors worry about all the time. This
is why they hate typecasting. Yau'relike, I can demonstrate more range than
the one thing from Superhero film.Yeah, you know, like I am

(01:26:35):
more than just the one thing,you know, and from I can act,
I can play other characters. Andit's one of the things that I
love. Robert Downy Jr. Ithink, you know, I love the
stock Holmes films. They're fine,they're stupid. I think they're you know,
like they're good time. Uh.And I think that you know,
and falls into that life. It'sa fantastic add living snarky character. So

(01:26:59):
it wasn't that hard to a pivotto do Tony especial sin he more or
less reinvented Tony Stark. Tony Starkwas not like lovable snarky asshole in the
comics. He became that afterwards.Just asshole, just an asshole. But
we also need to think about likestuff earlier than like his big comeback when
Marvel, like Chaplin of course,of course. Yeah. And the man,
And that's the thing is, likeI think he he's been brought into

(01:27:24):
a lot of blockbusters, and Ithink the man has a lot more than
that, and I think he showsit here, you know, like I
think I think also the black andwhite scenes. Oh, we said it
during last Picture Show, The ReasonWhy the Last Pick, which was our
last episode. Go go watch it. Um that the black and white brings
out the performances in uh for theactors. So fucking true here, Oh

(01:27:48):
my god, every black and whitescene. I was like, fuck,
I was like, everyone's doing sofucking good. I was just like I
was like, like, especially RobertDowney Jr. I was like, I
was like, it's like I don'twant to downplay anything he's ever done before,
but this was fantastic. You know, It's like it's it's a great
betrayal. He disappears in the role. He's just that, you know,

(01:28:11):
like and you're just like, Ilove it. So many so many bit
parts in this yes, from likeestablished actors that they only have so much
time, but they do such agreat job with it. So yeah,
it's first off, you got AldenHenric who's the help guy helping Robert Downey
Junior. You're like, what thefuck are you doing here? You know,

(01:28:32):
like I think it's like Aldandrick he'she's literally Han solo. It's Han
solo and uh. And and youhave Jason Clark there, you have h
David Kenneth Ronnin as Neil's boor.You're like, holy fuck, and he's

(01:28:54):
so good as Neil's bor. You'relike, you're like, what the fuck
Like You're just like you're like Kennethbrand and this might be one of your
best rolls ever and you're just kneelsbore, you know, Like it's that
we're always so surprised that like Kennethbranni can act, just like, yeah,
Kenneth Brannic can fucking act. He'smore than Gilderoy Lockhart. I will
give credit to Emily Blunt. Ithink she's absolutely fantastic in this fucking movie.

(01:29:17):
No, not a bit part here. She is Kitty Openheimer. She
is absolutely fantastic. Is able tolike match Killian's fucking energy in such a
way that's fantastic. And this isa compliment like the definition of a hard
bitch in such a good way,you know, like that's right, like

(01:29:39):
just such a such a fantastic whichis also which also layers onto like the
criticisms towards like the way no one'slike characterized women in the past, where
it's like less openly making them badand more just like being afraid to really
utilize them and not screwing up.Just like Kitty in this feels like a
person like warts and all, wartsand all, And I love that,

(01:30:04):
you know, like because it's notyou know, it's one of those things
that this is very easy to belike you know, this guy literally did
one of created the one of thegreatest war crimes of all time and would
also and it would also be avery easy trap to fall into from a
writing perspective, especially if it's amale writer, to be like, well,

(01:30:27):
you know, this was the fuckingthis was the time, Like what
did the women actually do? Andit's one of those things that they're not
apologizing for Oppenheimer, but they do. The one thing I feel like is
very apologetic about the nuclear things thatthey say in this movie that I feel
like, it's the very like itkind of makes you feel bad sort of
thing, is the very like itwill drop it twice and no one will

(01:30:54):
ever drop another one again. It'sthe reason they always give for why we
did it, you know, Likefor dropping the nuclear bomb, is like
being like, well, if wedrop it twice, no one will ever
drop a bomb again because we scaredthe shit out of him, and you're
like, yeah, but it didn'ttake fucking too you know, like God
damn, like like Jesus fuck,Like, I still I still think they

(01:31:15):
get around that pretty well. Yeah, Like the like the um the fucking
worker of his that eventually like betraysthem of just like until they build a
bigger bomb. Yes exactly, you'relike kind of like fuck and that's kind
of the everything. I feel like. The great part about that is that
like it doesn't stop after they bomb, you know, like it is it.
There's so much more to that,you know. And here's the thing,

(01:31:39):
like, and no one has tackledthat theme before, and like multiple
movies like the theme of escalation,Like The Dark Knight is all about escalation.
It's even explored like vaguely in Inceptionand Tenant, just like, oh,
once we finish the Wars, nowit's about like heists of the mind
and dreams and oh here now,if we can't fight this way, we'll

(01:32:00):
fight doing time travel. We willalways find a way to fucking fight each
other. Exactly. Um to keepgoing through the tiny casts, the tiny
cast, tiny a bunch of unknowns. I don't know if they're ever gonna
make it industry. I hope theyhope, hope they get more attention.
You got matthes Schwinn Golfer from theArmy of the Dead, the Swedish guy

(01:32:25):
who like opens a shade, whowas the best character in that movie.
He's in this. You have JohnJosh Hartnett, which you're like, what
the funk? Where did you comefrom? Um? You have the whole
I mean, Flord, have wetalked about We haven't said anything about Florence
po yet, And am I sayingthe wrongs Poe? Or is it Poe?

(01:32:45):
It's cute Florence Pew. I loveher. I I've been we've been
talking, you know, we've saidhow much we love her in so many
movies you really need to watch mensome are I know you're afraid too because
Ariaster trauma. I just do acouple of times, but it's so fucking
good. But she was great anddon't worry Darling last year and in so

(01:33:06):
many other movies and things. Ican't get enough. She is, you
know, and I'm not saying it'sa bad thing, but it just makes
me laugh. She is determined toshow people her boobs. I've seen it
kind of like arms. You're kindof just like, yeah, happening so
many times in movies, and evenwhen you see her on like red carpet

(01:33:28):
like dresses and stuff like that,everything's like really transparent and see through.
Like Florence views constantly like look atthese titties I'm just like, hey,
you do you It's whatever, It'sjust a funny thing. Um. But
she plays Jean Tatlock as this kindof first love of Oppenheimer, but they
never really work. So it's thislike constant in and out of love for

(01:33:56):
someone who obviously has like mental instability, yes, decades ago. So it's
definitely no help there, no helpat all. And I think it's one
of the most heartbreaking parts of thisstory because like Oppenheimer, you know,
is putting in all this work andall this effort and he but also it's

(01:34:17):
this kind of like he wants tohelp her but she never wanted him sort
of thing. But then she blameshim for like abandoning him even though she
didn't really want him in the firstplace sort of thing. It's this like
actually complicated relationship, you know,like and I really love that, you

(01:34:38):
know, like instead of just beingyou know, just like a hot sexy
secretary that you know, Openheimer screws. It's like this big complicated relationship person
they have, yeah, person,and you're like, oly shit, um,
I I do like this. Theirfirst scene where she discuss overs the

(01:35:00):
I am I have become death inthe world. Yeah, it's first off,
it is very hot. Second off, very second off, it's kind
of cool, you know, likeit kind of all ties it together.
And I think that that's even thoughit might be fake, it's very it's
a great scene, you know,like h now, uh, keep going
through the cast because she's absolutely fantasticin it. Um, we have so

(01:35:26):
many people, but I think thatone that cracked me up, you know,
I mean, other than Dane Dehannonis always great in every den it
is great and everything. UM lovedhim being here. You're like you're like,
okay, man, like you keepworking please, always good, always
good at playing slimy right. Uh. But like the two guys that I
was like so surprised being there andlike I know this just it might be

(01:35:53):
a millennial thing, but I waslike so surprised by Josh Peck being there
and having such a small role,and then also Jack Quaid being there and
also being a very small role.You're like, these are two huge names
and like it might not be anythingto Nolan, Like Nolan might not give
a fuck who these two guys are, but you're like you're like, holy

(01:36:15):
fuck what you know, Like andyou're telling me Nolan hasn't watched Drake and
Josh they grow up. Yeah right, You're like, wait a fucking minute.
And to be fair to Jack Quaide, he's a lot more than that
now. You know, he's doneall of Star Trek. You know,
he's Peter Parker and Across Spider First. You know, like he's Clark Kent
and Superman. The Man is fuckingliving right now. The Man. I

(01:36:39):
think he's one of my favorite likeup and coming actors at the up and
coming. The Man's a Oppenheimer's andhe's Superman, so up and coming my
ass. But like, you know, like one of these like young talented
actors that I feel like we allhave to keep an eye on because he's
fantastic and it's so great to havehim in this, but it's like one

(01:36:59):
of those things where he blends inimmediately. But that's kind of the problem
with Josh Peck being there. Hedoesn't I know he's doing He does a
great job in the role, butit's almost it might just be my millennial
mind, but I think, likeI think, I'm I'm like, I'm
just like Droke Josh, Like you'relike what the fuck, Like, like
what the but at least he getsto like hit the button and you know,

(01:37:24):
like can you know, like forthe Trinity Test and like actually has
that for a scene, and you'rekind of like, okay, all right,
Like but also Rommy Molick being therefor a very small but important role,
Casey Affleck showing up, You're like, you're like, what the fuck
is this move? You know,everybody is just down to be in a
Olan film is odd. Yes,that is another case for like, Casey

(01:37:47):
Affleck was an Interstellar, so they'veworked together already. But you know it's
I loved how threatening he was inthat role because I you know, I
went into Openheimer knowing that I wasgoing to be disappointed in humanity. I
didn't also know it was gonna beabout McCarthyism, and I was gonna be
disappointed in humanity about that and mygovernment. You know, like you're like,

(01:38:09):
fuck like because it's very It's like, it's so funny. It's like
a before McCarthyism movie where they're likethey're like, oh, yeah, McCarthy
he's around, but fuck that dude. We're talking about something else. And
you're like you're like, so itwasn't just that motherfucker. You know,
like it's literally it was pervasive throughAmerican culture, you know, like to

(01:38:29):
like squash any super left leaning anything, you know, like and that's kind
of the funny thing about this movie. You found like Scapegoat to blame it
on, but it wasn't just theone person like it. It permeated.
It's one of those things that like, yes, there was a real threats

(01:38:50):
sort of question mark, but notnot in real not in any real way.
And that's the thing go going on, is that, like, is
that you kind of are like,wow, the lengths the US government went
to to silence anything super left leaningwas intense back in this in the sixties,

(01:39:15):
seventies and eighties, you know,like it's kind of like, holy
fuck, you know, like thisis this is crazy, and it's something
that like you don't fucking talk aboutthat often, you know, like it's
just this kind of very and it'sfunny to me that, like I thought,
you know, Barbie was going tobe left the more left leaning movie,
and then I get like a literaldefense of communism from Oppenheimer, and

(01:39:40):
You're like get it, get it, get it in. I'm like You're
like, what the fuck is happeninghere? You know, like you're like,
this is crazy, you know,Like, but I think that's what
makes this movie so real and greatis that they're really dealing with these guys's
actual political beliefs and rear best performancefor Killian Murphy, who knows that man

(01:40:03):
can't miss motherfucker that man don't miss. Sorry that none of all these movies
here masterful. Not a fucking movieon here. I don't, like,
you know, like you're like,god day, the man is unstoppable,
and it was all of those thingswere like it was an inevitability for him
to finally be the lead in aNolan movie because he's worked with them a

(01:40:24):
few times, right, Like,no one's like that's my guy, and
one day we're gonna get you inthe in the front seat. Nolan in
an interview I watched, was likeI saw him in twenty eight Days Layer
and loved his eyes and face andI'm like, same, Nolan. Yeah,
you know it's like because I mean, it's so true, this man

(01:40:45):
has the bluest fucking IV. I'veben Ryan Gosling, these guys. Murphy,
Killian Murphy was actually my personal fan. Casting for The Sandman, oh
Man, Like that was always mine, Like if it was up to me,
the castle like Killian Murphy would bemorpheous. Oh yeah, absolutely no
question in my mind, you know, like just that just the he's got

(01:41:05):
range, he's got and he's ableto show it, he's able to be
mysterious. I absolutely no question.Um. I think he's absolutely great in
this role. It's like I've talkedup the whole cast, but he really
brings it together. Um. Idon't know who's the actor who plays Einstein
because he is also fantastic where thatcould have been a really like cheesy role

(01:41:30):
and it's not at all, youknow, yeah, when you play like
the caricature cultural zeitgeist off Einstein,not actually Einstein. The person Tom Conti
is the guy who plays Einstein.And uh yeah, very very classic actor
though you know, like a lotof a lot of stuff he's done.
I feel like I've seen him ina lot of stuff. But like one

(01:41:50):
of those actors were like like ahen like a Harry Dean stant and we're
like, you don't know the name, but you always know the guy,
yes exactly. You're like I've seenyou or like a Peter Stamare where like
when they show up you're like,hey, hey, yeah, exactly.
Um, I really love that.I think that this was really cool.

(01:42:11):
I think for like a scientific standpoint, this was really a cool movie because
you got to see these like,yeah, it's this exciting time and science
where all these like science greats aresort of working together, sort of balancing
ideas off of each other and like, and they all become household names in
some way, you know, likeand it's all just feels very normal for

(01:42:33):
them, you know, like andvery just like, oh yeah, we're
just doing things. When you gotBores and fucking Einstein and Openheimer all in
the same fucking place, and you'rejust like and they're all talking to each
other, and you're just like thefuck, you know, like, you
know, like, and that's thekind of the fun of this movie if
you're just looking at from that perspective, is like, it's cool to see

(01:42:54):
this era of science where it's allthese like gigantic geniuses all bouncing ideas off
of each other really like and uhand questioning each other's methods and then eventually
maybe going to war. I'd lovethe two marble and fish bowl thing.
M I mean too, It's agreat visual device. I give them of

(01:43:17):
ramping up their research and them gettingthe uranium, You're just like, oh,
I love it. Like and thenthen using it later for transitions is
really cool, you know, goingto like drop something and then it's another
big marble in the bucket, youknow sort of thing, and you're just
like, it's just it's one ofthose things where like it feels the entire

(01:43:40):
film just feels so effortless, andyou know, this motherfucker would have been
difficult. Yeah, it's It's afeat of filmmaking, is what I would
say. It's an absolutely three hoursof filmmaking brilliance. And he somehow shot
it in fifty seven days, whichis unheard of in Hollywood. And then

(01:44:01):
you know, and then and anddid some absolutely amazing stuff in the edit.
I would say, if they donot get uh, you know,
nominations for editing on this, people, for the Oscars, they're missing out.
This better be, really, Ifeel like, for the Oscars in
general, this better be the fuckingone for Nolan, because for some reason,

(01:44:21):
we're always really kg about giving Nolanhis due whenever you release. You
know, the Oscars love a biography. Yeah, so they this might be
finally ticks the box because it's afucking historical drama. Yeah, I would
say, okay that like you know, like we're if we're coming to it,
this might be one of the bestmovies of the year. Uh.

(01:44:43):
It's absolutely one of Nolan's best.And to be fair, that's why it
doesn't feel as bad because this willprobably be the one to sweep because it's
like, oh, the Oscars lovethem to historical dramas. But to be
fair, it is one of hisbest works. Yes, it's like that's
my thing. Here is the OscarsI feel like should recognize because this is

(01:45:03):
pretty amazing, you know, likeand he would, uh, it stands
up there with you know, likewith the best of the year. You
know, like there's there's a lotof good things coming out this year.
It's a great year for movies.Fucking great year for movies. Probably one
of those years which will go downin memory as one of the greatest years

(01:45:24):
in film. Um. But youknow, like it's it's a you know,
it's it's it's about whatever keeps thetheaters alive, right, That's that's
what it's about. Like I've gottento the point where like I only want
to go to particular theaters like I'mI've lost my patience for AMC. They
can take their fucking nicole kidman adsand get out of this. Um.

(01:45:45):
I want to go to specialty theaters. I like going to the Cool Edge.
I like going to the Summerville Theater. And even though it's a chain,
it's you know, a little morefocused. They care a little more.
They're more strict about rowdiness. LikeI can't fucking wait for the Animal
Drafthouse to finish opening up over here. I know, please open up.
You give me those three options soI can never have to go to an
AMC again. You're like, please, please, just stop. I don't

(01:46:11):
want to go to AMC. UM. I was trying to see for like
the best for the most popular moviesthis year. I was trying to see,
but I was it's oh yeah,by genre. T if it see
I'd bed makes it too fucking hardsometimes. But if I had to go
down my list, this might beone of the best of the year.

(01:46:33):
This might be the one that youknow, might be It might not be
some people's favorite of the year,but for me, I feel like it's
one of the best. Yeah,and there's still plenty of the year left.
It still plenty of year left.And it's one of those things that
a year with even just across theSpider Verse, I'd be fucking happy.
But then you get something like Barbieand Oppenheimer together and Oppenheimer be is so

(01:46:58):
fantastic and Barbie too, that you'rejust like, fuck, great year,
fucking great year for philm Like youknow, like you're just like, god,
damn great work everybody, Like Iknow the strike has started this year,
but you guys also serve it.And it's also nice that no one
is able to prove that, likehe doesn't really need WB behind them to

(01:47:18):
excel exactly. You're just like,yeah, he can do it because we
only have like it's basically it becausethe more like Hollywood in general tries to
commodify like art into content, westart to move away from singular like visionaries
as far as like creative storytelling.It's concerned because you have like Nolan,

(01:47:44):
who's one of those guys just likeI only want to shoot on film.
I want to have my control,but blah blah blah. Or we're sort
of like in this transitional period,like Spielberg still kicking Scorsese's still kissing,
but they're kicking, but they're theold guard. Tarantino's out after one more
movie, which I'm inclined to believe, only because he's been saying this since
he first started, like ten tenand I'm out ten and I'm out ten

(01:48:05):
and I'm done. Yeah. Iwas saying, you know, this is
a great year, and I onlybrought up Across the Spider Verse, but
I'm forgetting the other two nines forthis year. For me, it was
john Wick Chapter four and fucking hGardens the Galaxy three, you know,
like Daddy, I would be happywith just Across the Spider Verse and Gardens

(01:48:27):
Galaxy being this year and those othertwo an Oppenheimer and and I just I
just got the email to uh yesterdaythat my Gardens the Volume three Steel book
is on the way. Hell yeah. I think there's a great year for

(01:48:47):
movies. I think Barbieheimer is thisgreat exclamation point on summer movies for this
year, and there's a lot morecoming this year to to like finish off
a fucking great year. I'm excitedfor Mutant Mayhem. I don't give a
fuck about Ninja Turtles, and I'mexcited about Mutant Mayhem coming up. You
know, like, I feel likethat looks like a great time. Yeah,

(01:49:10):
it just looks like sheer creativity.And I'm not a I'm not a
Ninja Turtles guy either, but it'slike, yeah, sweet, yeah,
sweet, we're in that Spider Verseworld. Were you seeing the influence on
it? We also have Meg twocoming up. Now, I'm just kidding
that one. That's a joke.That's a joke, but I am exologies
to listeners if you're hearing that rattlingand it just started raining over here,

(01:49:32):
started raining. Um. But uh, you know, like there's there's a
lot of great movies coming out forthe rest of this year. I think
I think of um, Sloth orHouse, Oh my god, the sloth
horror movie. Yes, yes,but there's a lot of great movies.
I'm excited for Blue Beetle coming upand uh, you know it, we'll

(01:49:58):
see what happens. No, Godzilla, That's what I was thinking of.
Any year with fucking Godzilla is agood year for cinema, and we are
getting one in December. So Ifeel like that's the true exclamation point on
this year being a great year incinema. You get so many great movies
and you have that too, You'relike, oh fuck yeah, man,
so pretty excited about that for Godzilla. But um deshan final thoughts on Oppenheimer

(01:50:24):
sort of thing. Uh, LikeI said, one of Nolan's best,
like sort of it's almost a culminationof like everything he sort of builds towards,
even I would even maybe more sothan Tenant, because like Tenant was
like the inevitable one, like he'sgonna do fucking time travel eventually than he
did at time travel heist movie.Yeah right, but this one, like

(01:50:45):
this one deals with like the scopeof humanity, ideas of time and your
impact on it and what you leavethe world. Like it kind of comes
to everything and it's one of thosethings where and I feel like this almost
every time he does the movie isjust like what the fuck do you follow
this up with? Yeah? Iagree, I'm like, Nolan, what
do you do after this? Youknow? Like this is like I want

(01:51:10):
to see where he goes because obviouslyno One's one of my favorite filmmakers.
I will watch anything he puts out, but I don't know where he goes
from this, So yeah, I'mexcited to see, like for me,
for my mind he is like nevermissed to me. I think his weakest
film is probably Insomnia, And eventhen, Insomnia is a good look out
of here. Insomnia is a fuckingclassic, Like it's all, but it's

(01:51:32):
like weaker relatively speaking. Oh okay, I get what you're saying. Yeah,
if I had to pick it's all, it's still a good movie.
But it's also of those ones wherelike he didn't write that it was a
remake of a foreign film, solike it doesn't feel as much like him
as some of his other stuff.Yeah, I mean yeah, Following is
a is a classic. So isMemento. Yeah, I mean Insomnia.

(01:51:54):
I would say maybe that's the weakestbecause Prestigious absolutely fantastic. All the bad
Man doesn't get enough amazing. Ifeel like the Prestige doesn't get nearly enough
respect, right, it doesn't.It's one of those things where you're like,
what a fantastic movie. You know, they just kind of that's probably
like it in the dark Knight Risesare probably the most divisive. Yeah weird,

(01:52:15):
right, You're like like that's sostrange, like uh, especially because
like everyone just loves Dunkirk, youknow, like they're kind of just like
yet okay, uh yep okay.And I feel like a lot of people
just don't know following exists. Youknow, his original first film, you
know, like where It's It's.I watched it in film school. A

(01:52:35):
young writer who fallows strangers for materialmeets a thief who takes him under his
wing. Is the plot snops isIt's a fun one. It's It's.
It shows all of Nolan's strengths startin it in this like great budding way,
and I feel like I feel likeTenant also rubbed people the wrong way,
but I think that's mostly a caseof like, I didn't understand it,
so I'm mad at it. It'sbad. And I would say that

(01:52:58):
that if you didn't understand Openheimer,like guys like and I said, I
say this for every Christman Old movie, you're dumb if you didn't understand the
movie, But especially for Openheimer here, I feel like he's being so natural
with all the time skips and allthe movement. It feels like you're reading
a novel and how it like movesand progresses through time. It's just one
of those great to understand it.I don't say I hate to sound like

(01:53:21):
the old Man, but I'm sorry. Christopher Nolan's movies are just the movies
that like require your full attention.Yes, yes, yeah, that's why
I'm saying for both of these moviesto go see it in theaters because you
will not put the full attention inwatching it at home. It's just the
way it is. If you cango see both of these movies so you

(01:53:43):
can catch everything. Um, Idefinitely want to see Openheimer again. I'm
not rushing out because of how devastatedI was emotionally, but it really is.
It's one of those things that likeit's not trying to be sad,
but somehow you're just so beat upat Also, since we didn't bring up
the cinematography too much, like Joevan Hotema such ever since, like I've

(01:54:04):
been following the dude since let theright one in and he's only continue to
just get better and better at hiscred talk about a man who doesn't miss
fucking can't miss fucking fucking great.That. Yeah, this cinematography here is
it's fantastic. It's it's one ofmy favorite bits is the beginning when Openheimer's

(01:54:24):
kind of like seeing things, youknow, his schizophrenia is getting really bad
which I love that they don't neverbring up that he has schizophrenia, but
they address it with him having visions, you know, like they just don't
say it. They know. Thennobody says he has to getofrenia. He
doesn't say it, but it's somethingthat's very said in his book. You
know, he brings it up andhe talks about it, but like he

(01:54:46):
uh, it's but it's one ofthose things that like and and it's also
the debate there. I know,Openheimer's son came out and was like,
hey, that the apple scene neverreally happened, even and and in the
book Openheimer even says he doesn't knowif it actually happened or if it was
one of his delusions, and thatto show how stressed he was even if

(01:55:10):
it happened or not, you know, and to be fair that that article
is very misleading, like if youactually read it, like, um,
his like I think it's like hisact cool, Like his grandson is actually
way more positive about the movie thanthat, like headline says, okay,
like he goes into details just like, oh, it was actually a very
good movie, like very well craftedfrom a storytelling perspective. Obviously, you
need to dramatize stuff. He wasactually pretty positive about it, but they

(01:55:33):
took that little bit about the appholemade a scene like, oh, his
grandson is furious, and you're like, nah, it's really nothing I did.
I did love that scene. I'vealways known that story about Openheimer's so
I did love that scene because itwas it was the one thing I really
expected, you know, like tohappen in this movie. And for them
to just do it right away tokind of show who Openheimer is, I

(01:55:58):
thought was a great device to startthe movie with, you know, like
to show off who young Openheimer is, the person you know, like uh,
you know like and and then tosee him kind of grow out of
that is also really cool, youknow, like people change, people change.
Um so open Openheimer worth seeing,worth getting worth absolutely you know in

(01:56:25):
our rating scale of uh, preorder it own it, uh, wait
for a sale or no, whichis our warp shelf rating system. Uh,
this is a system as we have. Yeah, and this is a
pre order. This is a fuckinggive me that movie. It is one
of those movies that like makes meexcited that I have a PS five and

(01:56:45):
can play four K blue rays.Now yeah, right, You're like hell
yeah. Also, did you hearthat ratching clank PC port can't even fucking
you know how they were like noloading times ratch and clank, and it
literally so much loading times on thePC version. You're kind of like,
damn, yeah, yeah, thePS five's got that solid state drive.
Baby, it's crazy. That's it'scrazy that the PS five can outpace a

(01:57:11):
lot of computers on this. You'relike, oh, you're like, holy
fuck, it's kind of fucking thatMaster Race. Um, it makes you
want to be like it might bea PS five time, but uh but
no, I do not need newsystems, so you know, I'm gonna
know you wanted. Did you seethat fucking Spider Man two one that they
released where it's like has the it'slike half black because the symbiote's taking it

(01:57:33):
over. That looks so sick,so sick. I mean, did you
see the speaking of that. Didyou see the Barbie one where it's like
literally like sort of a dreamhouse likeand they like it's got places to put
your games in and stuff like that. It looked great. I was like,
oh, hell yeah, Like andthen there was all I think there
was no open higher one, butit was just like black and like,

(01:57:53):
yeah, you're like, yeah,okay, they should just give you a
pile of ashes. Yeah, likeyou go have fun. Anyway. Anyways,
guys, thank you, good movies. To go see it, make
the time, do it. It'sworth it. This will I undoubtedly,
I think these will smash records allyear long. Barbie's already fucking smashing records,

(01:58:17):
will keep going. And I thinkthis is Nolan's top third highest grossing
movie, just behind and sch isrefreshing given the kitchen like material, because
it's definitely not as accessible a filmas Barbie is for like a broader appeal,
because you get this is why studentsget so fucking afraid of anything like
R rated or anything that's not immediatelybroadest. Just like it's not going to

(01:58:39):
hit as many screens as possible,it's not going to sell as many tickets
as possible, and focused subject matterthat I'm glad it's doing so well.
Yeah me too, um and andthat they will make their money back on
it. So Nolan, you know, will continue to do whatever the fuck
he wants. Yeah, you know, which is all I want, Yes,
exactly. And in a year whereI'm saying some of the greatest movies

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of the year are superhero films.I like that these two are not and
they are still fantastic. And that'scoming from comic book fans. Yeah,
it's come from COG like we lovethat. We are happy to spoiled with
the amount of superhero content, butyou know, still got to mix it
up. Um. But guys,thank you for listening to this double sized,

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almost Barbie length movie length episode coveringBarbie and Oppenheimer in our Barbenheimer episode.
Here go back, check out ourother episodes, and you know,
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I mean it. If we're noton podcast platform, tell me. It's
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And please, guys, we wantto talk about these movies. Please comment
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you not have a good time?Did you hate Oppenheimer. I want to
hear it because I feel like thereis criticism to be had in both of
these. Obviously we talked for twohours on these, but there's obvious criticisms

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much on every platform under the sameuser name maud Karaika. Also, if
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guys, thank you for supporting theshow. We really appreciate it.
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Next up, though, is eitheruh if me and Deshan finished Tears of
the Kingdom, which might not almostdone, We're almost I'm almost done.
I'm I'm on thunder aisles, I'mflying around in the sky. You know,
I'm I'm I'm almost there. Uhbut or or we have pulp fiction

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coming up on the A five Topone hundred list. There's also more movies
coming. But uh No, yougotta make choices, you know, like
you gotta gotta you gotta choose things. The possibilities are endless and body moo
am with uh and I I meanwe still may talk about the Flash.

(02:02:43):
Who knows it might piss me offso much. Then we have to talk
about it, but I mean itwould be a change of pace. We
pride ourselves on being mostly a positivepodcast, but it might actually I think
you can get that from this episode. I mean, I was pretty fucking
angry with Black Adam Zam two,so if you flash it will be talking
a little bit about those two atthe same time. No, and Deshan

(02:03:08):
it was better than Black Adam.But that's like not saying anything, you
know, that's not saying anything atall. Really, it was already you
know, it already like it wasa red flag for me immediately when they
were bringing in original villains. Yes, with such big name actors. That's
what kills me. You make societyat the end of the first one,

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you give me fucking original villains inthe secret you know, like fuck off,
Yeah, exactly mate. After seeingBlack Adam inters Am as a double
feature, I was like, yeah, restart the DC. I was like,
I was like, yeah, you'regonna feel that so hard when you
watch the Flash. Oh god.But to be fair, it is the

(02:03:51):
reset, so you're like, youcan't ask for the reset. It's already
there. It's already there, it'salready happening. And then we have Boo
Beetle coming up, and that willa slutely be an episode because we love
the blue beetle head. I thinkit's going to talk about I think the
movie looks fine. I think it'llbe fine. And and does One Piece

(02:04:11):
come soon? Should we do?Uh? Me? Just watching the Netflix
version with you having book knowledge andsome show knowledge because you've seen the beginning
of the show obviously too, soonly like clips here and there, just
you. I read One Piece.I don't watch it. That'sh it's too
long. I know. I waskind of like, I was like,

(02:04:32):
that would be kind of fun.Though we do like a one Piece where
I've never seen anything else except forthis, and you have deep knowledge of
it too. I would be like, this might be fun. Then I
would have to sit down and watchit. I don't want. I don't
know. If you've heard the creatorof One Piece made them reshoot a lot
of it. Yeah, it's stillbad. I know it doesn't look great.

(02:04:54):
I'm not. I'm kind of like, oh god, they're doing Cowboy
beep up again, doing Jerry SeinfeldCowboy Bebop again. Don't do this,
Like, but we'll see, we'llsee. Um. But guys, Thank
you so much for listening to thisepisode. I hope you have a great
rest of your day, and we'llsee you next time. We'll see you
next time. Audios.