The Warped Shelf - Batman: Caped Crusader

Happy Batman Day! Today we discuss the spiritual successor to Batman: The Animated Series and see how it measures up to not only its predecessor, but modern Batman adaptations in general.

 Episode #162

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to the Warped Shelf. I'm Frank Durant,
I'm Deshaun Beasquez, and today two nerds reach into the
pile of.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
It can be movies, it can be TV shows, it
can be video games. Sometimes it can be comics. Sometimes
it's just any sort of art form that moves you.
And we talk about what's worth taking with you, whether
physically or spiritually.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, what belongs on your Warped Shelf. And today we're
talking about something that does mean a lot to us.
When we're talking about something that means a lot, an
animated Batman show.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Especially on today of all days, today of all days,
because it is Batman Day today.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, that's beautiful, that's beautiful recording on Batman Day. I
I I'm the reason why we're not recording this as
it like came out, but because I did start the show,
I just didn't finish it right away. But I did
finish it the other day the minute that I had
like a moment to myself. And I'm very excited to

(01:33):
talk about this as much as like any Batman animated show,
we're going to be excited to talk about this. Is
this one is kind of special in a lot of ways,
and I'm excited to talk about it now. Batman the
animated series. When I was a kid, that was the
show that I latched onto, you know, like a lot

(01:54):
of kids were like latching onto other young shows at
the time. And it's like I went from like Sesame
Street to Batman the animated series, you know, like where
it was just like yep, that's the that's my jump
and like and so it's like I grew up on
this shit, and I feel like the same way for you, Deshon,
Like it's like this is what.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
We Yeah, for sure, definitely one of the earliest like
shows I can remember that like really struck a chord.
It was like that, and then early early anime like
Ronan Warriors, even before getting into like DBZ, so I
didn't have like the Sesame Street buffer, especially since my
parents didn't really filter what I would watch, so it
would always be like I was already jumping into the

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dark stuff, like even before I had ever watched the cartoon.
My first exposure to Batman, period was the first Tim
Burton film when I was very young, Like we had.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
The VHS and this is the reason why we're even
talking about that show is because this is truly the
spiritual successor Dejon. You can list it off. But like
even having Bruce tim Back, you know, is crazy. But
like this is not just Bruce tim Back. This is
like literally a kind of dream team of Batman the

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animated series workers all coming together.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
To yeah, or just other DC in general. It's Bruce
tim at like the creative helm. You have Matt Reeves producing,
who directed The Batsman. Not to be confused of the
Batman cartoon, not that that's a hard thing nowadays. Most
people are going to think more of the movie anyway. Yeah,
you have industry vets like Ed Bruce Baker, who wrote

(03:32):
The Man Who Laughs and Gotham Central, amongst other things,
The Best Captain America Run.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say, he's a personal favorite cock
book writer of mine, like you know, like so it's
like awesome to have him at the one of the
like heads of this.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
You have like JJ Abrams producing, so that brings in
the Moulah. And you got James Tucker, who's been like
a vet for like a lot of the DC animated movies,
especially early on. He was also the showrunner for Brave
in the Bold which is also fitting because ddrig on the.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Show, and I thought that was I thought that was
very cool. I mean, we could get into the cast
of this too, you know, like that's the It's definitely
an exciting part about this show is that it's uh,
you know, kind of it's pretty it's pretty star studied
in the way that it in like Batman lore, because
you already said Dedrick Bater like the man, the myth

(04:23):
the Batman.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Uh, but definitely second, second or third best Batman voice.
It's like he battles with like Bruce Greenwood all the time.
For me, who played him in Under the Red Hood
and Young Justice. Yes, you have Dedrick Bater for Braving
the Bold and Harley Quinn.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
You got u. You got John Demaggio as Bullock, and
a bunch of other little characters too. Here I felt
like they were just using John Demaggio whenever they felt
like they had an extra character who sounded large. They
were just like they were like, here we go. I
did love Cedric Yarbrough as a Rupert Throne. I thought

(04:59):
that was a really great casting. There's like a lot
of like Jamie Chung as doctor Harley Quinzel. I thought
that was spot on. There's a lot of like fantastic
castings here. Of especially I want to give a shout
out to Crystal Joy Brown for Barbara Gordon. I think
that she's a spectacular character in this show, and I

(05:21):
feel like that.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, I do really dig this iteration, and I find
it very funny and ironic that even before the show
came out, Bruce Tim had to reassure people that he
wasn't gonna do a Bruce and Barbera pairing because of
all the flak he had caught for the Killing Joke movie.
Just like the ironic thing Bruce is that this would

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actually be a situation where that pairing would be appropriate.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, right, it actually makes sense here. Instead you know,
you're like, huh, but I mean we didn't get to
And I think it might be one of your sticking
points on the show because it is a fan I
think this is a fantastic show and I'm so excited
that Arry greenlit season two. So if you're already being like,
oh should I watch this? Is this just gonna be
a short lived Amazon project? No, this is not, you know,

(06:07):
like this is going this is gonna keep moving forward.
But Hamish link later as Batman. I at first was
with you, Deshaun where your original opinion, I think was
that he was trying to heart what was your was
your original.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
My my thing was I think he's a good choice overall,
especially having just watched through the whole thing again yesterday,
because I watched it all in one day almost two
months ago when it came out. So when you were like,
let's do an episode, I'm like, I should probably rewatch
it because I just gorged myself on it. So I

(06:44):
just like, I'm all right, who I've seen it, I'm
gonna drag you in. I do think it works, but
it is one of those things where I do think
he needs to acclimate specifically to the Batman voice a
little more, because to me, it's still it's really good,
but it still sounds like at points he's trying too hard.
It just makes him sound like he either has a

(07:05):
cold or it sounds dangerously close to h John Benjamin.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I think that he sounds. I think he gets better
throughout the season, and I know that he records his
lines early, but I think in the tenth episode the most, uh,
we we have him sounding the most like Kevin Conroy,
you know, like where you're just like you're just like, Okay,
he's getting closer to this, you know, like he is,

(07:32):
he's it's sounding better, and I'm and I'm and I
think that that's really it is that we'll have this
first season where I think he I think he hit it,
but I don't think it was perfect. And I think
it but at times he sounded absolutely like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It never it never got as bad as that initial
cast problem before the show came out, where he just
straighted a straight up sounded like he had the flu.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
But I think this is better. I think that throughout
the show. But and I do like him dipping to
the Batman, the way he goes from Bruce to Batman,
and the way he'll go to Batman's voice whenever he's
around Alfred, like yeah, like okay, my true self, now
let me go into my Alfred.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah do you mean Pennyworth?

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Don't you mean Pennyworth? I did love I did love
that because it's such simple like bait to make people angry,
but also you know it's going to be character development,
and then of course it was, and I was like
I was like, well done.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I mean I've made the joke like both times I
had watched through it. That's just like, oh, you know,
Matt Reeves produced this because Bruce has some thick eyeliner
and he's got like you're not my real dad energy
for Alfred.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Real He's like, but I love you, need you. And
I think that that's I think that that's what's fun
about this show is it does feel like Batman the
animated series, where it's just like Monster Week, you know,
like where it's just like, here's a new villain, We're

(09:07):
gonna take down this new villain. There's a new problem,
or a villain has come back and you got to
do deal with that. It's like yeah, but like it
also has like character development, world building beyond that, you know,
like beyond just like the Monster Week going on.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, it has its own flavor. Plus it's as the
advantage of not being on a network for children and
for as dark as b Task could get in its prime,
Like we don't even have to infer anything anymore. We
can just straight up do it.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I think that was pretty cool, just.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Like invoking it with like this Golden Age aesthetic, which
is something Bruce Tim's been toying with basically for years.
I don't know if anyone remembers that Old Strange Days
short that he had made for Batman's seventy fifth anniversary,
which is basically this.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, which is pretty cool. Like I think that this
is I think this aesthetic that applied to Batman fits
and it gives you this like classic timeless feeling for
what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yea happening anytime, because Tim has admitted that he was
approached already for a potential continuation to be test specific,
and he said, we've already played in that sandbox more
than enough. If I want to do something, I'm gonna
want to do something slightly different.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yes, And I like that this is slightly different. I know.
That's that's what gets people anger about this show is
people are like, well, it's different, and you're like, you know, fuck,
like like it's kind of like, hey guys, it's another
Batman animated show. Of course it's going to be different. Yeah,
it's the whole fun of this. You know.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
I get that it's evoking the DCAU that you love,
but it's not the DCAU. It's different.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, And I like the kind of like nineteen thirties
feel to most most or like all of these characters,
you know even you know, like it's like even right
from the get go, you know, like Penguin being a
female and a lounge singer but like all so a
mob boss, like a mother, like a like a a

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cocaine uh bandits.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Mom like like like also.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Killer and you're just like, oh, okay, I that's why
I think it's funny. IMBD has that rated the lowest
tide with the uh with uh uh the night Ride
so the great Ghost episode and I was like the
Gentleman Ghost. I was like, I completely disagree because I
think that starting episode, de Sean got me hooked because

(11:32):
like you went from being like okay, we're like really changing. Look,
we're calling Alfred Pennyworth you know the whole time, like
so we're seeing some guarded you know, Bruce, Bruce still
isn't dealing with ship and you're like, okay, cool, we
got some like young Bruce.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Not yeah, just like the mission.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
And uh and I I like that there's you know,
a different Penguin and it feels so different, but is
Penguin Like that's the thing is like it's still it's
it's so different that you're like, yeah, okay, that's great,
you know, like that that that runs and then then
her firing off a cannon into Gotham. I was like, Okay,

(12:11):
so this whole time she's been firing a fucking cannon.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
A giant cannon on top of the Iceberg lounge. Like yeah,
I'm like, oh, that is so pulp. You'd see that
as of something like the Rocketeer. No problem, right.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
That's what I That's why I I kind of fell
in love with that episode because then then she they strike.
She like the whole like end is riled on that
she's aiming at the police station and like everyone has
to get out of the building and it's kind of
like this actual like tense moment of them, and then
she still gets off the shot. So it's like it

(12:45):
like I kind of love that, like she kind of
won and like you know, like tried to get away
but like still got caught. But like you're just like
you're like, damn, she kind of got She made it happen.
This was like violent and like crazy, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
It's also one of those things were like this was
the only point of contention I would hear from the
most annoying people on the planet, because oh, my god,
we made Penguin a girl, as if Penguin, of all
Batman's rokes, isn't the one that's always consistently reinvented with
every iteration. Yeah, you want to pick any villain in
his ropes, that's always the one we're like remixing.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
I know even somebody prop today, they're like, yo, if
they want to, they could build up to King Penguin
in the new Penguin show that's coming out on Max
And you're like, and just have Calling Firth without the
makeup and you're like Eryl, yeah, Ferrel, and you're just like, yeah,
that's not fun or cool. Yeah, Like dude.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Sometimes he's just a doe like gentleman criminal. Sometimes he's
an actual mute and birdman. Sometimes he's a handsome British
gangster who wears a Penguin style plague mask. Shout out
to the Tailtale version of Penguin, which is very interesting.
But we're always doing something different with.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Penguin, right, And I like this one and I think
it feels as classy as the Penguin should. And I
think that that actual singer for that scene is fantastic.
And I was like, okay, like that.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's probably just Mini Driver because Mini Driver can sing yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
You're just like holy s fucks okay. And then I
kind of like fell in love right from that episode
where I was like, Okay, they are kind of serious
about the tone and and art direction and like what
they're going for here, and they have like a very
serious vision instead of just being like he's gonna work,
you know, like it's just like nope, here it is boom.

(14:33):
And I love that. It's like it's kind of like
all these creators have already made successful shows and successful
franchises in Batman, and they're finally like just doing stuff
that's like peak and.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Just you know, there's no like, there's no life, there's
no hesitation even for something like the Gentleman Ghost episode. No,
because if that was if this was a b tass episode,
then the Gentleman Ghosts wouldn't have actually been a ghost,
would have been like stage craft or an illusion or something.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
And I wait for that too. I was like I
had like.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
We had like Satana, we had a Satana episode in
the that original show, and but they never made her
an actual like musicians. He was just a stage musician
until we got to Justice League. But and I'm glad
there's like, Okay, that tells me that you're just willing
to do supernatural stuff, which before you had to wait
till like Superman and the New Batman Adventures to get to.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
And I think they do a good job of that too,
because they wait till episode six to like do that, like, hey,
here's some there's actual some supernatural history in Gotham, and
that's what makes it fun, you know, like ed connected.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, a race doesn't have to be the only slightly
supernatural thing because he takes it, he takes his magic bath.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, exactly. Then then you have next up another i
think another swing episode, Like if we're talking about episodes,
they're coming up and they're doing big fucking swings and
they are knocking it is and be a villain, which
is the clay Face episode, Like first off, another fantastic reiteration.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Which is a tough act to follow because because the
the B tast like comparisons always going to be inevitable,
just given the creative team and the aesthetic and feet
of clay. The first clay Face episode in B Task
is like one of the best episodes, Like it is
so good. So that's kind of a tough act to follow,
But I'm also glad what they did with this as

(16:30):
far as an aesthetic, because we're doing Golden Age stuff.
I've felt like for years before this was even an idea,
that the Golden Age version of clay Face has been
like way underrepresented, because once we got to Matt Hagen
in the comics, we started doing the whole shape shifting thing,
Whereas in the comics the original Basil Carla was more
like a Phantom of the opera type villains, and they

(16:53):
just Yeah, So when we got to b Task, we
basically just combine them. We call them at but we
basically gave him the Baslcarla, like I'm an actor thing
here we get to keep both. We keep the Golden agesthetic,
but we also keep the shape shifting aspect. And it's cool.
I just like I I like that. I love the
like old Hollywood feel to it.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
I like the old Hollywood feel. I liked that this
was kind of an origin episode for him too, you know,
it was like here's how it happened, you know, like
the here's like, here's how clay Face became this, you know,
like and I thought that was I thought that was
super interesting too, you know, like that it wasn't just
like some you know, like accident. It was like something

(17:35):
he was like seeking out and trying to do and
like and it's just like backfired on him, and you're
just like, ooh, I like that, Like I like that,
I like that take on it like an actor pushing
it too far, and you're just like, that's that's cool.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
The nerves of steel of the actress who's about to
be killed by swinging like pendulum to still be like, eh,
I don't believe it. You're acting just asn't genuine, just
like is this really the time for construst of criticism?

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Lady Jesus? Then then you have another another not really
a new take, I would say, for the next episode
you have to Kiss of the cat Woman and Catwoman.
It's not really a new take because it's it.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Is very much very platonic ideal Catwoman.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yes, like this is like I would say, it's like
Bill Finger, you know, like type of like Catwoman. You know,
like this is like this is original writers being like
hairs Catwoman, and I kind of dig that because like
it feels very like true, you know, like this is
we are doing like Catwoman, as as Bob Kane and

(18:45):
Bill Finger would suggest, you know, like you're just like
all right cool, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
And voiced by Christina Ritchie at that, which is like, ah,
it's like one of those things you're like, how do
we not do this sooner? It's the same thing when
we got her to play Harley and like to the
audio dramas that made for Spotify, it was like, huh,
we hadn't done that yet.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Done, Why have we done that yet? Why? Why have
we done this? And Yeah, I think that this is uh,
this is a perfect like Gotham world building episode, you know,
two of just like expanding on like you know, like
the balls that like Bruce Wayne is expected to go
to and like they I like that. This is not

(19:26):
even the Bruce Wayne of Batman the animated series, which
is always suave no matter what, you know, like always
this guy is still kind of a bumbling weirdo even
the whole time he's like Bruce you know.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah again, I think that's like that's like the Matt
Reeves part.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah right, It's like I like I like that though,
like you know, like he's not like a perfect mask
to everybody around him. He is a little weird, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
To the point where like he's not he's not like
taking the hook for the catwoman stuff at all, Like
that is very one sided or just the house he's
into me. He's like, I don't care Batman, ain't no simp.
I have time for this nonsense. There's only the mission.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
And uh I I do. Like I thought this was
a very I thought this was a very good episode
and and very well put together. I was like, again,
just like swinging with with this. Now you have the
Night of the Hunters, which is next, which is uh uh,
it's it's it's a lot more more on Tooya this episode,

(20:38):
which I don't think we've talked about Renee and Montoya
being like kind of the main character here. I think
that that is so cool. I love some Gotham people,
all of the yeah, all the DCP the stuff. That's
where you really feel like Ed Brubaker's like.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Fingers in a lot, it's like, oh, this is so
Gotham Central at points.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, right, like you're like, hey, we're dealing with the
guy who wrote goth Central, like and he's just given
you that. And I love that because I also love
that flash and Bullock are straight up just like bad
guys this, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Know Bullok is often like a rough cop but not
a dirty cop. Yes, and here it's just like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no,
it's hands or butts about it. They're both bad.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
They're both bad, and you're like okay, and like I
kind of like how everybody's kind of odd. The the
the upkeep for Thorn at points, you know, like or
you know, any criminal, like even like I'm jumping episodes,
but like I love the Moving Target episode with Barbara
Gordon episode seven where it's like the twist at the

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end is that the cop the whole time was gonna
get that money by killing Barbara and you're just like
you're like shade.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, which is also a clever turn for like comic
book readers, because you're like, no, it can't be. That's
Jim Gorgan. That's it's like that's the Specter depending on iteration.
It's just like so you know he's good, and then
that turn, it's sort of it sort of reminded me
of like the Gordon villain twists and the Gotham by
Gaslight movie where you're just like, no, you would never

(22:11):
think Gordon because it's Gordon.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's Gordon, come on, what are you thinking? But back
back to episode four now you the Hunters. This is
Montoya like kind of lat episode, but like, uh it
is about Firefly, which like.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Or Firebug as he keeps correcting people, which is which
was a thing that predates Firefly.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
That's funny. I like this episode because it feels like
they don't have control of Firefly. It's just like he's
just free, you know, like and just messing ship up,
you know, like, and I think that that was I
think that was a cool take on him that they
keep trying to like wrangle him and he just kind

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of gets out and burnts ship down and you're like, no, stop,
like like he's freaking yup. He's out for burden ship
and just like Kadh But uh I I do like
the full turn of like bad guys for Flass and
Bullock in this episode, like fully, you know, and they're
doing some bad ship and I think I think it's

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funny that this is one of the most highest rate
rated episodes on here except for the Killer Inside Me
of course. I think in the last the last two
episodes really is the highest of all these other.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I think it's because of like the slight status quo
shift that Bullet and Flats are basically rewarded for their
behavior by the mayor. Yeah, and so Gordon can't touch them.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah right, Like I like, I like that. I like
that like turn of dynamics going on here and like
and I feel like that's what makes this show strong
in general, is that there is lots of turns in
dynamics and and stakes and what can go wrong and
like what it you know, like that you know what
how it affects the mission and all and like.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
And all that, and even like sowing the seeds of
doubt in Barbara, who's like, no, the law, the law,
the law. But by the end of this just like
it's not always helpful, is it.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah right, She's like, now I I enjoy this turn
of Harley Quinn that they had like her building up
this whole time, Like she was friends with Barbara and like,
you know, like and wants to date Montoya and they
go into episode five and like Montoya asks out Montoya

(24:27):
and like and it's like this whole she's just living
this whole double life of being like a psychiatrist and
then taking the worst of her clients and just like
torturing them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I like the Oh okay, I like the take, Like
if anyone's allowed to change Harley Quinn, it's Bruce Tim
And I kind of.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Like that she's Harley without Joker in any way.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, you know, like I like that it's that and
sort of like the the conceit of it was the
reverse of personalities, just like Harley in public is the
bubb is bubbly and care free, and in her alter
ego is like dark.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Like that they really lean into the fact that she's
using her profession to basically torture people, like mentally, and
like that really ties into the stuff because it's one
of those things where like we knowed Harley was a psychiatrist,
but it's not something we lean on too too much.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yes, not too much, you know, Like I mean in
the series, they definitely acknowledge it towards the Yeah, yeah,
you're just like by like that. It's like right, it's
like she's built into the plot from the not right
from the get go, but built in and then to
like be used in that way. It's cool, not just

(25:46):
like doing that with Dent, you know, like because like
that's classic to have Harvey being the good guy building
up at this point.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, although even that was kind of a big deal
for be Tasks because we were that was sort of
on the cusp with like when we were actually caring
about continent for those types of cartoons.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yes, right, Like that was a big deal. And I
like that He's we see the downfall dent in multiple
ways here, and I think that was I thought that
was cool in this show overall, and how they build
characters in and then use them, And I think that's
what makes this show so interesting and what really drives

(26:22):
it is that like you know, like things come in
and they and they work, and they like keep moving
forward and they still have them Monster the weekend.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And it's also and it's also the emphasis on people
other than the obvious hallmarks like yeah, we have like
staples like Harley in two Face and like Clay Face
and the like, but the fact that we're also doing
stuff like gentleman ghosts.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Gentlemen ghosts. So I really I thought this episode was
I like this episode, Like I know we were saying
it earlier that like it's cool that they brought in
like supernatural stuff. So but like it it. I think
the episode overall is like really fun and it's cool
to see Bruce kind of have to deal with you know,

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like this, this this.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Like something slightly outside of his perview.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah right, he's not. He's not exactly just can punch it,
you know, like and that's like or like outwit it
or you know anything. It's like he's got to like
go through the proper magic channels and get it, get
it out.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
And I like, I love I love that he goes
to Papa Midnight for help. I'm like, Papa Midnight help
hell Blazer character Papa Midnight, and I ain't talking about
Constantine hell Blazer. I'm talking R Rated Vertigo era hel Blazer,
Papa Midnight.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
That's dope. I did like when they're like what are
you gonna do with them? And you're like you don't
want to know, and I was like, okay, yeah, you know,
like and then this is Papa Knight. I love this.
I thought that was I thought that was very cool.
I thought this was a very cool episode.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
And I appreciate the minor inclusions even beyond like Papa Midnight,
because we also have like we mentioned Jim Corrigan already,
but we also have Eel O'Brien who's plastic man.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yes, right. I do also like that this is a
big building on Alfred, you know, Pennyworth and and uh
and Batman's like relationship, you know, like you get to
see how they actually kind of work together here, and
like I think that that was cool, you know, like
I think that, you know, having an Alfred that like

(28:23):
does help him out in the field is like cool too.
I think that that's like, you know, like it's makes
a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, we've been like edging towards that kind of stuff
more and more over the years.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Anyway, especially with this this uh I think it was
this month they made him a green lantern and you're like,
you're like, all right in the Vampire alternate.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Universe, Okay, I was about to say, it's like it
make continuity. I didn't think he was. I think he's
I think he's still dead in the main.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Canon in May Cannon, but DC versus Vampires.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I'm surprised I've even kept that that long.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
There there was like wonder Woman was come at Vampire
was coming to beat up Batman slash Alfred into something,
and they he liked is able to beat her because
he gets the ring and.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
You're just like, all right, all right, sure, why not?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Sure? Why not? Like that makes sense to me? Uh?
Now I I did. I already said I really liked
episode seven Moving Target, like with cause not only is
it like some good twists and turns the whole episode
like I actually was like kind of having I was like, oh,
oh cool, Like I didn't like predict everything that was

(29:30):
gonna happen that episode. I thought that was cool. And
also is it on a monopea or how do we say,
like you were saying, using not the the main robes,
using on him on a pa is sick? You know?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, I gotta be so excited, even even from like
the initial trailer that like showed him like is that automnipa?
And I would see a bunch of comments who would
be excited about him, like okay, I know who the
real comic books are in this being.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Like hell yeah. And now I think that that episode
was cool. I thought there was some great action in that.
I gotta say, overall, there's lots of great action in
this in this show, lots of great set pieces, and uh,
and I think that that's what makes this strong is
it's like, got lots of twists and turns and lots

(30:20):
of great characters and great character actors playing them, and
like what but also like great action scenes and you're like,
all right, all right now the next episode nocturn Now
this is kind of like another offshoot character uh here
with uh and you're just like with who do they

(30:42):
call what do they call her?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
They call her inn Italia, but her character name is
Nocturna in the books. This was. This one's an interesting
one because this was an episode originally envisioned for B
tests that they didn't get to do.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Feels like it I was gonna say, that's what this
episode feels like.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
It was reinvented around Cape Crusader, like you can find
concept art for like Na Kurna in B Task, and
she was actually a grown woman and looked more like
her comic book counterpart.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Here.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
They sort of reinvented it with like the little girl
and stuff, but the basic gist of it was something
that they wanted to do for B Task. But even
back then they were like too dark.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Too dark. Yeah, they were like, Eh, I liked this
episode a lot because I think that's cool that they
that they're using her. It felt like a Batman animated
series episode, especially with with Bruce going to a fair.
You know, it doesn't mean any sense, you know, like
but then he's you know, he's got a plan. You know,
he's with some random lady, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Like, which is conveniently situationd right next to the Home
of the Infinite Robins, all the Robins, one stop shop
for all your Robins except him. For some reason.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yes, that definitely, I think that was the most the
most like this is a different universe, uh episode out
of like out of maybe this, out of this whole thing,
you know, like because there's a lot of like continuentity,
you know, like characters changing, but like continuity changing. Wise,
You're like, oh interesting, you know, like that all the

(32:15):
Robins are the same age and they all exist at
the same.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Time except Tim. For some except Tim, he's the only
one who's not accounted for because Dick is there, Jason's there,
even fucking Carry Kelly and Stephanie Brown are there.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I'm like, I was like, what, I know, Carry Kelly
being there and being a big bar of the episode.
I was like, what are they doing? What? I was like, cool, Like,
are they saying like carry Kelly will like someday be
the bat the Robin and all these other ones are
still around, you know, Like I'm just I'm curious. Yeah, because,
like I thought that was a really cool episode in

(32:54):
that aspect where it was just like, okay, we were
going from being like, you know, this feels like Batman,
you know, maybe a year or two, and you know,
this is Batman beyond year one, you know, like or
even you know, even maybe just a little bit before that.
You know, like but it's like because they don't even

(33:15):
know if he's real at the beginning. It's kind of
like the beginning of Batman eighty nine where they're just like, da,
we don't know if he's really that, you know. Like
so you're like, so it could be like year one.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, it's like we're past the origin, but this isn't
really a well oiled machine yet.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, exactly. And I think that that's what makes this
this that that bit with all the Robins very exciting
because you're just like huh, but also you pointing out
that Tim's the only one not there makes you think
that Tim's the real Robin. If they do go the
Robin rap, potentially you know, like that could because that
would be a funny like oh, you saw the rest

(33:51):
of them. But Tim's You're just like, oh okay.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I would I would take it, man, like Tim's had
it rough and like main continuity for years now because
we just don't know what to do with him ever
since Damien came around.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Right, They're like, fuck, we had the youngest Robin and
now we don't ship.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
But yeah, I like the I like the spooky aspect
of it, like this like magical little girl, like sucking
the souls and life force out.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Of it was a little scary. Yeah, the way she
like mouth on hinges at the end there, like you're like,
oh okay, You're like Jesus Chris, she's a creature. You're like,
holy shit.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
But it is serves as a good episode as far
as character development for Bruce to like show a little
empathy beyond and you know, punching his way out of something.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
People have compared like, you know, him carrying her away,
shielding her from the sunlight. Everyone compares it to like
that scene with Ace and Justice Leagunlimited.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I thought that was great. I was like, okay, and
that was the thing. It had some like heart to it,
and I was like, I was like, Okay, this episode's
got something, you know, like it's like definitely a very
interesting episode. But I gotta say the last two episodes
are the id the dream of this crop. It's what
it's been building up to the whole time, and I

(35:08):
think they really really take off, you know, like right there,
you're just like, oh, okay, cause it's like and that's
the other thing about the last Knockdriurn episodes is also
building up Harvey, you know, turning on Thorn. You know,
like he's it's like built up that, like he's worked
with Thorn, and then he turns on him the first

(35:29):
time Thorn asks for something, and and it's like, I
like that that's playing in the background of all this
is like is the downfall of Dent the whole time,
and you're just like, oh.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Shit, yeah, and maybe the first time in a cartoon
where we straight up do the thing that disfigured Harvey
was basically a mob hit, yeah, because every other iteration
is always like an explosion or something that like messed
up his face as opposed to just like hey.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, like sometimes they do the the you know, courtroom,
but like that's not always So it's just like I
like that, you know, this is like doing it, like
he does something right, but he's you know, turning his
back on the mob and then bam, you know, like
so you no one on the outside knows that Harvey

(36:19):
was doing bad until afterward, and then he wasn't No
one knew that he was you know, like actually doing
the right thing either, So he was all doing this silently,
and I think that that's a you know, like a
little tragic irony there, you know, yeah, and that nobody
knew what he was you know, doing and sacrificing, and
then that's why he's like so you know, betrayed the

(36:43):
fat with the final two episodes.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
And I like that this version of Harley Harley Harvey's
mistake is not really like a white night like so
many portrayals like put him as when he's like pre
two face. Just like, no, he's he's a little gray
sometimes already yeah, he's already making some bad decisions and

(37:06):
you're just like okay, like he's it kind of shows
off that more two face part of him, you know,
like that's not just uh, you know, like the white
guy who does right, who's mad sometimes, you know, Yeah,
it's less about like I was good and now the
bad side that I've repressed has come out, and it's
more just like there was balance before and now it's
all out of whack.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, because he was kind of a dick. He's kind
of a dick throughout the entire show, you know, like
I it's like he's he's like doing good things, but
he's a dick the whole time. You know, like you're
just like, oh oh, But I like when he finally
goes mad. These finally these the first of the episodes

(37:47):
and that with the Killer Inside Me and then Savage
Night with with you know, trying to keep Dent safe
until you know, and I always appreciate when they used
Thorn and as as like this main villain, I think
it works well. You know, like this actual like mob boss,
you know, street level, you know, like bad guy. You know.

(38:11):
I like that that's the true villain behind all these
monsters of the week, you know, like is really just
his mob boss. And I like that they like that
Harvey kind of like gets to him this episode too,
you know, like he like gets close to him and
gets almost to kill his kid and like crashes into

(38:32):
his house and you're just like, oh shit, okay, like
this is a like Harvey's like a this is a
different type of Harvey, you know, Yeah, this is a
And I dig that, you know, like I think that
that's cool that he's like completely lets the other side
take over and.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
There's no like, no like girlfriend to have be his
moral compass or anything.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
No, nothing like that. And U I think that that's
I think that who's playing Harvey Dent again, It's it's
Drick Bader Didrick Bader. He's so he's so fucking good
as him too, you know, like I feel like he
brings a lot of emotion to this role, and like
especially when he's two face and you like feel bad

(39:16):
for him with Bruce bringing him out to dinner, that
like that night where he like kind of goes crazy
and you're just like You're like, damn, Bruce, that was
not being a good friend. You basically were like, let's
incite the madman a little biteah, you know, like and you're.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Just like, oh no, I do I do like the
two face design, but I do think it could I
do think it could have been stylized as had more.
I like, like I didn't. I didn't need like a
full on like blue or red coloration.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
For the face.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
But I think if it was maybe if it was
like a little more sallowed and gray in the same
way that his hair is just like a slight tinge,
it would make it stick out a little more.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I like it because there's there's moments where you can
see he still has that face underneath. It's just like
seen through, you know. Like I like that there's still
like this side of his face is perfectly fine, and
it's like and I love that it's like you can
still kind of see the Harvey dent behind.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, I like that. It's most I like that it's
not what is the word I'm looking for, bruised, No,
not bruised. The fact that it's not it's not symmetrical, yes, yeah,
that it's not like perfectly split diving down the middle.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yes. I think that's great because there's certain shots where
he's like slightly turning, and I think that that's the
best part about it, you know, like about the design
is it like it works so well when he's like
slightly turns, so you slightly see the messed up part.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Of you know, and he has like control of like
most of his mouth. Yes, like I thought like before
it like fans out and the fact that like one
of his nostrils is flared.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, you're like like, and I think it works so
well when he like keeps going out to people and
like turn being the Harvey face and then he turns.
You know, I think that that works really well here,
and like, of course that's like a classic two Faced thing,
but I feel like it's like really works here and
with this design where it's kind of like the same colors,

(41:21):
and I think that's cool. And I think that that
that you know, this these two episodes kind of feel
like a great two parter, you know, like this great
like you get to see Harvey try his damnes to
kill Thorn, and then two you gotta like get to
see Barbara try her best to save two Face from Thorn,

(41:42):
you know, like a little bit of revenge, and you're
just like okay and like and it's like pushes Gordon
and Batman to like the limits there, and you're just
like that's cool. That's cool. I like it, like and
you know, the full on uh like flash and Bullock
Bulle corruption towards the end there, I think that that's fantastic.

(42:06):
I was just like, Okay, I'm like, all right there
it is like but I I I think that this
is a fantastic show that has a great ending, and
even if you just left it at this one season,
I'd be very happy. I'm so happy it's got two seasons.

(42:27):
I think that there's so much planet here and so
much more to go with other villains and other things
to do that like this this has this show has legs,
and I'm excited to see that Amazon also believes it
has legs.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, and it's also just nice to have, like because
I mean there's been an itch for like good animated
superhero content lately anyway, and it's finally coming to fruition
with stuff like this and X Men ninety seven and
the like, because it's been kind of scarce because the
a lot of the Disney like Marvel cartoons after they

(43:06):
took over. Yeah, we're really doing it. We haven't had
like other than like stuff aimed at like really little
little kids, like Unlimited or like Batmobiles or something like.
The last cartoon we had was Beware the Batman that
was in twenty thirteen.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, it's like it's like dang.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Something like My Adventures with Superman's just like we haven't
had a Superman cartoon since the animated series wrapped up.
You're like, oh god, I'll take anything of this, right,
and I mean, thank god for my.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Friend is my friend Superman. I think that that show
works really well, and I'm excited to watch more of that.
I need to watch more of that show.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I'm caught up.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
You're caught up. Yeah, yeah, I need to get shot,
get caught up. I don't have HBO anymore. My sister
in law's paying for it for it anymore, and I'm like, damn, I.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Say, you watch enough like stuff WB and HBO related
to warrant.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
It's kind of like it might be worthy. It might
uh but uh yeah, I get my own. You're just like, hey,
but I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I probably would have if Cape Crusader ended up on there.
I just fact the fact that WB passed on this
is so funny. Yeah, they constantly use Batman as a
crutch when they're afraid of our project doing well. Just
like we don't know how it was this is gonna do.
Let's shot Batman in it.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I don't understand why this is on Amazon. It's like,
I get it because Amazon will take any Batman content,
like the Batman Kid, Batman, the h the Christmas movie
that they put out like a year ago, Yeah, is
not available on Amazon anymore, which I think is very interesting.

(44:41):
You can't watch it on Amazon even though it was
produced by Amazon. So that has me worried about this show.
So that's why, you know, when we're coming to our
full rating of the show. Absolutely own this show because
Amazon is atrocious at keeping you able to watch this content.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Don't trust it just just because it's any streaming service original,
even a Netflix original. Don't trust that it won't just
suddenly disappear.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
And like it will literally if you like this as
much as I think I like this, I want to
own this, you know, like I and like and I
feel like it's one of those things where you're.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Like, like, never assume it's always gonna be there, just
because you're so used to streaming services. There's a reason
I will still buy like like Arcane, that's a Netflix
original show that's coming out on four K and Blu
Ray like soon, I'm gonna get it because I don't
trust Netflix.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, that's fair. I own.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I own the Criterion Collection of Marriage Story. That's a
Netflix original movie. I still own it physically because I
don't trust Netflix and just announce they had just announced that,
like Voltron is leaving Netflix. It's like, that's a Netflix
original show.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
You made that. What do you mean it's leaving? You know,
like that's you can't even get, Like you.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Can't even get Lily Hammer. The first Netflix original show
is unavailable. Now that's stud the first show they ever met.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
That's stupid. I can't believe that that's that's wild. But
after all this time they're like, yeah, you can't, you
can't watch Liuie Hamma. But that's why, that's why I
would say my rating for this is absolutely on this,
This is totally worth it. Put it right next to
your Batman the Animated Series.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
And special edition of Batman the Animated Series signed by
Kevin Conry.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
It's a goddamn flex and a half. But they and
that's what and that's what I'm saying here is if
you're a Batman the Animated Series fan, if you were
a kid growing up, you want Batman and Dad series.
If you're an adult and you got into Batman the
Amien series, you will love this. You know, like this
is this is right up your alley for you're Batman
the animated series fan, and even if you're not, if

(46:44):
you never watch that, but you're just like a Batman
fan in general. This is awesome, especially.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
If you're especially if you're more of an adult about
it and understand that there are different iterations that exist
and you can accept it for what it is.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
I know, and it always comes out, you know, like
it's like I feel like it's like the fun of
comics is doing all these like variants in different universes
and different takes and.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, the classic just like, oh my god, everything's saying
try something different, we try something different. It's different. Why
do you do that?

Speaker 1 (47:15):
So many people don't have the like fucking like capacity.
I always I always have to comics.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
I always have to like step back and remember that,
like social media is a bubble within a bubble within
a bubble and not actually representative of the people who
like love this stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yes, exactly, because it's like, you know, you see the
people just like pissing and moaning about Spider Man all
the time, and you're just like, yeah, but that's still
the number one read comic that like most people like
what's happening you know in most situations.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I think it was like a statistic that I had
seen once that of of like the countries, that of
the countries that even have like internet and use it frequently,
like Twitter only makes up like less than ten percent
of the people online. We treat it like it's it's news. Yeah,
we treat it like it's the public it's the actual
public perception. It's like, no, it is niche, niche niece.

(48:09):
It is a bubble within a bubble. It does not
actually represent what people want exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
And I would say it's it's even smaller now since
Zelon Musk, like because they lost a ton of money
and a lot of followers I don't have. We see this.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
We see this all the time, where like stuff you
don't realize still does well, like anything on network TV,
like any TV show, like say like Yellowstone that's a
huge hit that does bigger numbers than any hit streaming
show that you're watching because boomers love that shit, but
you don't think about it. And just because Twitter's not
talking about it doesn't mean it isn't a hit exactly.

(48:43):
It's like when Avatar two came out, Just like how's
Avatar two gonna do?

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Well?

Speaker 2 (48:47):
That shit has no It's like this shit has like
no lasting power within like pop culture. And then when
it came out and made a shitload of money, they
were so surprised.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Like what do you mean this made money again? I mean,
I was saying the other day, I was arguing because
there was somebody being like, oh, fandoms avatars are fandom,
and I was like, since when is Avatar fandom? But
to be fair, it's the number one grossing movie for
a very long time, you know, like and like, and
it's kind of one of those things where too main

(49:17):
just as much bang Bucks and you're just like, okay,
so what do you call them?

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Because the general like actual general audiences don't fucking care
about Twitter or Rotten Tomatoes and are like they just
go see something.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
They go see something exactly. They're just like, now I'm
gonna see that.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Not everyone obsesses or hyper fixates on the ship. They
just go see a movie.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Exactly, which is fair. I feel that I wish I
could just.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Do that, but well, I mean we're in a different case.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Sometimes I wish I could just do that, But you.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Know, you're just like like that's that's not in the
cards for us anymore. We could, but at least we
have like the self awareness to understand the perspective.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yes, exactly, exactly exactly, but I would say absolutely, this
is this is totally worth owning. This is absolutely a
must pick up for Batman fans.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah, enjoy, yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Enjoy the Batman content, and enjoy just this animated superhero
renaissance between this, X Men ninety seven, Invincible, Yeah, hopefully
more stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
And you maybe you mentioned Superman earlier and.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
You're just like, yeah, my adventures with Superman.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, It's like there's there's a lot going on in
the animation space, like.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
This hopefully hopefully lit Spider Man cartoon is good too.
I would also, I'll hope would be nice. There hasn't
been a good Spider Man cartoon since before Disney bought Marvel, So.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
So yeah, it's like the thing is, it's like it's
so disarming to put on an animated show too. It's
very easy for me, And I feel like that's I
feel like a lot of people feel the same way,
you know, like, and that's you know, even as an adult,
you're just like, yeah, I wanted something animated, you know,
even if it's not you know, like you know, like

(51:05):
and that's what's cool about this is I feel like
they're trying to recognize those people who are like, yeah,
I like watching an animated show, and yeah it might
be a little.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
That's also not attached to a bunch of homework. Yeah,
Like I'm like, we're gonna be getting stuff like Creature
Commandos soon. That's like tied that. I'm super excited too.
That was that show looks like it's specifically made for
you and me because.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
About who wrote this us? Like what the fuck happened?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Like you're like, did you're gonna ask us about this? Damn?
Like what the fuck happened here?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
You're the only one that I could talk to about
like the Creature Commando's cartoon because we fucking read Frankenstein
Agents of Shade in college or just like, oh we
know who those are? You know frank side is we
know those guys.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I know. All the comments were like who are these people?
Like you don't know ship motherfuckers?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
All you people come about the all the Big three
bias in the New fifty two, but then never actually
you know, bought any books outside of those characters, right,
You're just.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Like, huh ha, weird, weird when they're when they're being
fantastic over there.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
You know, already making me happy. We're just like all right,
first on the slate, we're gonna do a Creature Commando's
cartoon and we're doing a swamp thing movie. I'm like
just like, wow, okay, if you're read my mind, what
are you gonna do next? A Demon Night's cartoon?

Speaker 1 (52:26):
And oh we didn't bring up as one of the
good animated shows that's happening is Harley Quinn, you know,
like they do treat that well. And then they added
kite Man, and I've heard kite Man's pretty good. I
have one.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I'm I'm like two episodes behind, so I'm like through
the I'm through the bulk of it. It's it's good.
I like it.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah. It's kind of one of those things where I
I almost I'm kind of glad this is on Amazon
because I don't want like a spin off from this show.
I just want this show, you know, like I just
want Kate Sader. I don't want some weird cat woman,
you know, a spin off from this or something. I
was trying to think of who would be a good

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spin off character from this, but like, uh, I mean,
you know, like they could do you know, sirens, you
know a little bit with this. But like, at the
same time, I would much rather just see this show
go forward, and maybe HBO would try to spin off
something like kite Man, and you're just like, I would
much rather just straightforward with this, you know, like keep

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moving forward and and yeah, if you haven't watched Harley
and you're you like this show, yeah, go go on,
like that's just ridiculous fun.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Instead, I do feel bad for kite Man, though, because
people have decided to make it the poster child for
other animated content that they're not getting or just like, oh,
we got a kite Man show before we got a
fucking wonder Woman cartoon. I'm like, it's not kite Man's fault.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Oh god, And you too are like we got a
kite Man show before GTA six and you're like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Dude, it is what it is. Kite Man was just
a character that struck a chord in the show, so
you gotta spin off it ain't that deep. I'm also
equally frustrated that there's never been a wonder Woman cartoon.
But it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
It is what it is. I know it. It is
bad that we haven't gotten like, after all this time,
like a great team together do Wonder Woman. I mean,
maybe they can take these guys and make a Wonder
Woman show. You know, like that sounds great.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
I mean that old animated movie from nine should have
been the springboard for either an animated series or just sequels,
and neither of those happened.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Nothing happened there. You're like, what the fuck we talked
about that way back?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
But it's good, it still holds up.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
We still good. Good. But guys, thank you so much
for listening to this episode. I think you know we
got our feelings across on on this Sean you got
any final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
No, I think we pretty much like covered every single
one of my notes. The only thing we didn't get
into is just the kudos. We talked about how cool
onto Monopo, but just the kudos that Kevin Smith character
got adapted.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah, and and done well too. They did not take
celeberties with him. He still did like only noises, you know,
like on on a Pias And I was just like, yeah,
that's cool, you know, like that's it and like and
then he's just like a cool killer. Uh you know,
like that's fine by me, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
It's maybe one day we'll actually get that third Batman book,
Kevin Smith.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Maybe someday may babe. I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I was thinking about that recently because Silver Saint Cloud
showed up on My Adventures with Superman. Oh shit, for
some reason, same thing with Vicky Vale, Like they keep
teasing Gotham stuff, which is making everyone be like, what's
Batman of this universe?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
What's happening?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah, but I thought, I'm like, oh yeah, Silver Saint Cloud, man,
we just left that cliffhanger hanging, still hanging on that
cliff decades later, decades. He's like, that's fine, right, that's cool, right,
But either way, good show. Go see it. Hopefully it
gets a physical release if it does, secure.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
It, yes, absolutely, because Amazon's not to be trusted with
with content that's not theirs, you know, like anything that
they are licensing out themselves. Yeah. That that's the stuff
you gotta hold on to, you know, like that's the
stuff you got to grab. So guys, thank you so

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But unless you're a dad or you you got fish.

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Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yeah, I thought you were doing threads for a while though.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
I am. I was just about to mention that I
am doing threads. I've been doing a media thread for
all the stuff I've been consuming or events I've been
going through out the year. I'm in the four hundreds now.
That's been a mix of like books I've read, movies
I've seen, like events I've gone to, which I also
post on just like the Instagram properly. Yeah, games I've beaten,
Like I just went to Cowboy Bebop live, like last week.

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That was a great time.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
That was a good time. That is great. I'm going
to Remy Wolf next week. That's gonna be a good time.
It's at the MGM Music Hall, which is a good
that's a great venue. Plus it's not Justice there last
month and it was it was pretty great.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
And plus we're at the end of September, and so
I'm about to head into my annual like make my
make one of my close friends watch thirty or more
horror movies that he's never seen. So I always post
about that me and Mayor are.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Doing the same thing. We always do. Want try to
like at least one horror movie, you know, every night,
and we're gonna make a calendar this year and try
to go through some ones that she hasn't seen, you know, nice,
so that'll be a good tame or ones I haven't
seen either, so that'll be a good time. Uh. But
we'll we're gonna have it like played out. But that means, guys,
we're gonna have some spooky episodes coming up. I don't

(59:03):
know what our theme should be this year to Jean,
but we will know.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I haven't really ever really thought about it.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Yeah, we'll have to brainstraw a little bit, but we
will have a theme and it will be scary and
spooking wonderful because we could do each terrifier now, no.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
No, no, I still have only I still have only
seen like All Hallows Eve, the like Anthologist. I've been
watched any of this.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Okay, I started Terrified too the other day.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
But I mean there's also there's the X. There's the
X Trilogy.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
True, that would be a fun modern horror trilogy to
kind of go into. I haven't seen that one.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
There's like, I don't know if I'm don't know if
I'm ready for Halloween. I'm gonna be so upset when
we do Halloween. Eventually it'll come. I'm gonna be so mad,
just all the ups and downs of this stupid fucking franchise.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I feel like we could do it, but I feel
like it might be a little angry.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
And it would and it would have to be split
into parts because there's lots of cover.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
That's too many, too many movies to try to shove
into one episode, you know, like that's too many things.
But you know, I'd be down for it if we
felt the challenge. We felt like getting angry. But guys,
thank you so much for checking out the show and
supporting the show and just listening to us blabber on

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about Batman because that's what we love to do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
There used to be our whole purpose podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
And now we talk about things that belong in the shelf.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
But either way, we'll catch you next time for whatever
the next episode might be exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Audios, guys,