The Warped Shelf - Beetlejuice: The Movie and The Musical

We got to see a certain ghost with the most on his national tour and now we're talking about how it fares on its own merit, how it stacks up against the cult classic Burton film, and why you should go see it.

Episode #154

https://youtu.be/77RiZDcpJvU

Episode Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to the warpShow. I'm Frank Durant, I'm Deshaun
Vasquez, and today too, artistsdecide what belongs on your warp show.
Yeah, that can be anything frommovies to TV shows to video games.
Just anything that sort of moves youwork is worth taking with you. That

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can be physically or spiritually. Althoughtoday we're kind of going a little outside
of the box somewhat as far asthe mediums are concerned. We can't really
put this one on a shelf foryourself except if you know some merch maybe
you know that we maybe we're innayou know, like that's the only thing
you can really take back to yourshelf with you at the moment. But

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we're talking about Beetlejuice the Musical.Uh. Me and DeShawn had the Deshaun
gave me a fantastic Christmas gift ofBroadway in Boston, Uh at the Wooster
Hanover Theater. Uh to see itthe Beatlejuice Broadway Tour. And uh it's

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I you know, I had notseen anything about beal Juice the musical beforehand.
This was me going in blind.I wanted to same as Evil Dead
the musical. Uh, this isa very similar thing to Evil Dead the
music. Us talking about Evil Deadthe musical. I feel like where we're
gonna be talking about the movie alittle bit, Bill Juice going to be
talking about the musical a little bit. So guys, if you're if you

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haven't seen the musical, this willkind of be kind of a great way
to be like, hey, likethis city, what you know, this
might be something I might want togo see. Or if you haven't seen,
if you have seen the musical,we're gonna be talking about its relations
to the movie and all the thingsthat makes this musical. Yes, I

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think great, you know, likeand I think that that's what we're gonna
talk about today. And maybe you'veseen the musical and haven't seen the original
movie, yeah, which the oldman to me is just like, no,
those the people don't exist. Butwell, first time I went,
there were two girls that were behindme, like they had to be in
there, they had to be likepreteens or something, and they were just

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like oh, they were talking aboutit, not even realizing it that it
was a movie. I'm just like, yeah, I'm old. Yeah.
But then an old lady behind usat our time being at the musical,
turns to the guy next to theShawn and goes, I haven't seen the
movie. Is the movie like themusical? And me and de Sean are

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like, what's going on? What'swhat? What's happening? What's happening?
Like and like and I mean,no, no offense to anybody, because
everyone has gaps and knowledge or anythinglike that. But I just think it's
a bunch of nerds who watch everything. But I think it's wild that Beetlejuice
has become popular as a musical onits own, Yeah, beyond the movie,

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which I thought was already like acult thing, you know, like
was already you know, everybody,you know what hot topic bought beiald juice
stuff, you know like that,you know, like that's it was already
like while the while they were ontheir way to get my Nightmare before Christmas
merch or anything Joanan Vasquez related,whether it be like Invader Zim or the

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Homicidal Mania. But you know,it's become that like it's it's it's it's
dark and spooky, but you knowit's okay for the general you know,
the preteen to like to to beinto you know, that was a like
my thing. Like I always hadseen the original movie a million times when

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I was a kid growing up.Anytime, it was always one of those
movies like if I saw it popup on TV, I would like,
oh, yeah, I'll watch it. It's Beetlejuice, my mom and definitely
I was I would watch that todeath. My mom definitely thought it was
scary. So we weren't like watchingBeetlejuice, you know, like a lot.
But I I definitely watched it whenI was a kid and like and

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liked it. I'm not like ahuge Beetlejuice fan. I'm really I'm really
not. I I when we wentinto the musical, I was like sitting
there being like I watched this atHalloween. I rewatched Beetle Juice Halloween.
I don't know what the ending ofBeetlejuices. I was like, I can't
remember Deshaun. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I can, because I've

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seen it so many times, likeI have a pretty And then I rewatched
it, rewatched it again this yesterday, and you know, and and and
and it's funny how they've adapted theending of the musical to this. But
it's funny because it's like one ofthose things that it's just not the important
part of the movie, you know, like it's just not the memorable part

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of the movie is the end ofthe movie, but so might be the
most memorable part of the musical isthe end of the musical, like it
might be the you know, likeI feel like in some ways the musical
is able to like change and enhancethe Beatlejuice story and do a lot of
good things, Like I remember theending just because of a few like set

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pieces and a couple jokes, butit is very much like a race to
or the end. We've kind ofblown our load. We're not really sure
how to end it, so wejust kind of go, yeah, it's
kind of like, okay, let'sdo this thing, let's do the marriage,
and you're just like and it's likethe big fight, and it's like
it is wacky and fun and likeI enjoy that energy that Tim Burton's bringing

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to that, but also at thesame and you can see with those scenes
why you could be like, Okay, yeah, we could do some musical
with this maybe, you know,like or as it turned out, an
animated show, you know, likeand and I think that there's It's it's
funny how it turns the something thatwas just kind of like, oh,

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we've used it and we're just kindof trying to wrap up the story to
being definitely one of my favorite part. Ye did you ever watch much of
the cartoon growing up? I did. I did. That's the funny thing
is I did watch a bunch ofthe cartoon, so it's like one of
those things that I know Beetlejuice askind of that like jokester more. Yeah,

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because we have, like the movie, we now have like three distinct
versions of Beetlejuice that are kind ofjust wholly their own because even the cartoon
like took its own liberties, likeAdam and Barbara aren't a thing in the
cartoon, like Beetlejuice is just athing that Lydia can summon. It's it's
like almost like a ghost, imaginaryfriend. It was. It's kind of

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like a twisted Caspers I've always Yeah, basically, they're like instead of friendly
ghost, you know, and Isort of understand. I could see why
Warner Brothers at the time would havelooked at this script, which I did
read. I did read like oneof the early drafts of the original script

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just out of curiosity. And thiswas before we even realized we were going
to do an episode. I justdid it for shits. I think it
was not long after I had seenthe musical the first time, because when
I went to see it with youas the second time around. Actually,
okay, both these suckers. Hey, I like that the one in Boston
is an actual playbill. Yeah that'scool. I know. I was like,

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I was a little disappointed by that, but I give it. I
give credit to hand Over for tryingto you know, get that add in.
You know, yeah, I givecredit. I give credit and reading
it. It is. It isa zany script. It's not. It's
one of those things for like onpaper, it's not much different from what
we got as a final product.But it's just the way like Tim Burton
infected it with like his Tim Burtonthis that sort of elevated it. Like

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even from an aesthetic standpoint, likeit's like Beetlejuice himself is written more like
they aim more for like a Gintype thing. Yes, like they describe
him. He's like he's of MiddleEastern descent and he's much more of like
a trickster and more like a monkey'spaw type thing. He's a little more
sinister. They really leanto him creepingover lydia in the original script, which
is like but you could see howlike Timberton looked at it. It's just

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like, yeah, I want togo for something a little more outside of
the box. Yeah, exactly.And and it's one of those things that
you know he was coming from,you know, like Pete Pee Wee Herman,
you know, like you know,like and it's like and they kind
of expected that like wackiness, youknow. Bit you know, I feel

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like we should give at least somewhatof a synopsis since we mentioned that,
like maybe you haven't seen the originalmovie as we've proven, I mean,
and it basically comes down to,like it's a haunted house movie. It's
a haunted house movie comedy, ifyou wanted to describe it on basic level.
Yeah, with Michael Keaton and leadingthis you know absolutely now star studied

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cast, but like you know,like Michael Keaton really just showing how,
you know, his his range frombasically like mister Mom to Bruce Wayne Batman
to Beatle anything. He did Beetlejuicefirst Okay, okay, but I mean
if you want to see Range Michaellike they work. They work together on

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juice, which is why Burton wantedhim as Batman. That makes sense.
That makes sense because and then andthat's and I think that's why they give
him the that you want to getNuts seen too. I think that they
they were like, yeah, Ialways thought that as a kid, that
the you want to get Nut seen. And I'm like, oh, that's
a little little beetle juice just slippedout there. Uh yeah, a little
something's there. And I feel likethat's kind of what they were going for,

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or they were like they were like, yeah, you know, we
need we need a little something,you know, not just all the time
very controlled Batman. Yeah, justthe idea of like no Batman realistically,
at least, you know, relativelyspeaking, would kind of be an unhinged
dude. And that's what the Burtonfilms lean into. And I appreciate them
for that. Yeah, and Ifeel like The Batman also leans into that

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a little bit. Is that likethey're like, yeah, he's not well,
you know, like he's not doinggreat. You know, like he
is in a cave most of thetime. You're like fair enough, you're
no Robin, you know, likejust you know, and he does have
like a presence throughout the movie eventhough he's not he's not in it much.

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Yeah. No, to be fair, I joke about Beetlejuice like being
a Godzilla movie. How little Beetlejuiceactually is in Beetlejuice is the same as
a Godzilla movie, where you're like, well, yeah, it's god Godzilla,
but like most twenty minutes of myguy. It's why people always try

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to use the misnomer argument. It'slike when the twenty fourteen Godzilla film came
out, just like, oh,for a movie called Godzilla, there's rarely
gonna not such a god You're likegod Muscle. Yeah, and it's Jaws.
Yeah's in it for two Alien AnliHopkins. Anthony Hopkins won an Oscar

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for Hannibal Lecter and Silence of Lambs. He's in that movie for less than
six minutes of screen time. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's about impact,
it's about cinematic game begger. It'snot about screen time. It's not about
like we have to give these thenumbers. But I am kind of encouraged
by the director of Godzilla. Isit Godzilla? Can I say Godzilla X

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Kong? Or is it like oris it just supposed to be like Hunter
Hunter where I'm supposed to say GodzillaKhan. I would say it's Godzilla X
because it's not Japanese, because butI've seen the Japanese poster and they act
like it's the Hunter Hunter. They'redefinitely like acting like well, there's the
thing of the weird thing about theex is that that's a running thing.

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It's not just with a Hunter Hunter. There's also like there's also an anime
called Hollick, but it's spelled xxxHollock, but the exes are silent,
so it's just a thing with them. It's either silent or it's a cross
like street fighter cross tech and you'relike whatever, I don't know, it's
always a case by case. It'sso weird. Thank you for clarifying.

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But uh so, God's Lilla xKong. I love that the directors come
out and been like, yeah,there's like uninterrupted just like like CGI animals
shit for too long, and I'mlike, this man understands that there's not
enough monsters in the Monsters movies andhe's gonna fix that. Yeah, and
not all of them, even tothe detriment of this movie, He's gonna

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fix that. Yeah, and notall of them can be a minus one
where you're just like, shit,I actually care about what happens to these
people, and uh, you know, and I feel like it's super funny
that he's been like, oh yeah, there's Yeah, there's Doug, there's
dument is dumb. It's really justabout how much like impact you can deliver
through. Yeah. And it's notlike and it's not like the stuff not

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pertaining to Beetlejuice isn't entertaining because youhave good stuff, like with Adam and
Barbara, who are kind of thereal Like Adam, Barbara and Liddy are
like the real like main character characters. Yeah. Absolutely, and I would
say that in the movie absolutely andin the but in the musical they're able
to take Beetlejuice, and in theshow to the animated show, they're able

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to take Beetlejuice into a main characternarrating unreliable narrator and then you know,
an antagonist sort of Yeah, youknow, like interesting. I love that.
It's so when I watched Beetlejuice isfunny because we were just talking about
Batman. One of the things thatobviously barring current events, which you could

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say that for one other actor inthis cast as well, obviously barring current
events. I always, I alwaysthink back to Tarantino saying that Alec Baldwin
in the eighties would have made agreat Batman, And every time I watched
Beetlejuice, I'm like, oh,yeah, yeah, I could see it.
Yeah at this age and this statueyou get, I get that,

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you know, like it's just kindof like pussy. He's always had the
voice too, So I'm like,yeah, I could totally, I could
totally see it. Yeah, Ithink I think it's not a bad take,
you know, like I feel likehe could have definitely done it,
you know, like, but yeah, that always that only came up.
It's not like Tarantino was going todirect a Batman movie or anything. That
was just like something that like cameup in an interview. So it's like,

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I'm not a huge superhero guy,but you know, who would have
been a good Batman? I think, you know, yeah, right,
he loves throwing that out there.He's like, you know who would have
Yeah, but beyond Alec Baldwin.We have like super young Winoa Rider.
We have Geena Davis, who I'mpretty sure Lydia might have been one of

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my first like movie crushes as akid without even realizing it, just like,
oh I am, I am babyDeshaun, And I don't realize I
like Golf Girls yet I don't knowhow to explain it. I know I
had to explain the other day.I had to explain the Hex Girls thing
to Mary, you know, likeI had to be like because she was
like, she was like, no, that's not a very memorable Scooby Doo

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movie, and I was like,not wrong, That's the most memorable Scooby
Doo movie. I'm sorry, that'sthe one. If you're well, I
mean, the objectively the best oneis Zombie is But you want to talk
about most Jeohn breaks out the boys, guys, JA, Zombie Island is
better? But which is goes asTim Curry and it has the Hex Girls?

(15:54):
Yeah, And if you're look matif you were there, you were
there and you were attracted to women, or maybe even further didn't realize you
were attracted to women yet you know, you know, you know what we're
saying you know what you're saying,and I get I thought I thought it
was funny because it was just likeMary was just like, that's not I
don't remember that movie. And Iwas like, I was like, you

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know, because it didn't awaken something. Yeah, I was like, I'm
sorry. I was like that feelingyou had for Simba heck girls, it's
like, yeah, Simba or Kob. I know a lot of people with
Kovu in the second Lion King movie, like that was their guy. You're
like, yeah, you guys havedaddy issues, but that's okay, not

(16:40):
wrong. Cobo especially, it's like, yeah, but he's the bad boy.
I can fix them exactly. You'rejust like no, She's like I
can fix them because you're worse.You're just like, oh no. But
besides the point, uh Beale usedthe movie. I do enjoy the movie,
but I'm not like the biggest thebiggest fan, but I think it.

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It has a great cast, reallyfun you know, like and and
you know Tim Burton's having a goodtime, so it's like a great visual
feast. I see. It's likean interesting relic in Tim Burton's filmography,
like sort of that perfect middle groundwhere like we see him as a creative

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voice, but we're also not givinghim too much control because I've always felt
that timber And needs to be ona slight leash to really deliver something like
he needs that pressure. He can'tjust have a bunch of yes men surrounded
by him, which is kind ofshown in like any of his latest output
the last few years. But alsojust a time capsule because a movie like

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Beetlejuice is just so fucking eighties.Yes, yeah, I would say I
love it for that, and I'veseen it a bunch of times, so
I have the fond attachment to itwhile also recognizing it is a weird,
flawed movie. But it's also veryone of a kind in that respect too.
Yeah, I would say that's oneof the great things about this whole

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thing is I feel like Bill Juicefeels very one of a kind. It's
like you can try to aspire itto a bunch of other things, but
it is a kind of a wild, kind of like fun demon story,
you know, like and you're justlike wait, what, Like you're like
way to put to the point wherelike the studio had no idea what they
had They actually wanted to rename themovie and give it a much more generic

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title like ghost House, of course, because it's just like beetle juice.
What the fuck is a beetlejuice.We're not gonna get butts and seats with
beetlejuice? What is that? That'sweird? And it works though, and
it works, it has worked tothis day, you know, like is
the name being so strong? Youknow? Like it? Yeah, I'm
not sure how far ghost House themusical would have gone. I mean,

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I've seen House, I've seen thathorror movie house, the Japanese one.
That one's wouldn't that a wild musical? That would make a wild musical,
floating heads and everything. But it'sit's fun but flawed. But there's also
sort of nothing like it as well. And also it kind of catapulted a

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couple of careers like this was notonly like a big showcase for Burton like
post Pee Wee, but it wasalso one of the things to further proved
like Danny Elfman as a composer,like Post Justice Band stuff with Oiingo Boingo
Oingo Boingo. I love I lovesaying that. I'm sorry, of course
that is it. Of course,it's just a great name. If maybe

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you didn't know that though, LikeI know a lot of people don't know
that that. Like Danny Elfman wasin Oingo Boingo before, and it was
one of those things that they werelike they were like, oh, yes,
come please, you know, likewe they were like bringing him on,
you know, like to do thesething And now Danny Elfman's one of

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the most respected composers in all ofHollywood. You know. Yeah, same
thing for I mean, same thingfor Hans Zimmer, Right was what band
was Hans Zimmer in? He wasin some band? Uh? But like
it's one of those things where you'rejust like you're like, wait, what,
Like it's funny how Burton like likea magnet attracts these like super eccentric

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creative people that also have weird,quirky names, just like my composer Danny
Elfman. It's like former frontman ofOingo Boingo. Have you met my agent
bumble Ward And have you met myproduction design and designer bo Welch. Yeah,
you're like what, Oh, yes, So Hans Zimmer was in super

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funny The Bugles, Uh, theband the Bugles, and it was in
the video video Killed the Radio Star. So basically was in the first,
you know, like the MTV musicvideo that fucking sank like radio and you're
like, and then continue to bea fantastic It's always an interesting trajectory when

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you start off as like a generalmusician and then move on to composing because
you look at the careers of likean Aufman or like a Zimmer or even
like Resnor and Ross Yeah yeah,or even Jukebox. At the moment,
you know like, uh no,what's his It's not jukebox? Uh x,
Who's who did the Justice League one? Oh? Tom Holkenberg, Junkie

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Xcel, Junkie Xcel. That's it. Yeah, It's like, it's wild
that he's doing soundtracks. Now You'relike, okay, all right, you
know them to think of it,because he did, like the music for
the Third Blade. He also didthe music for kill Bill. You're like,
all right, you're like sick exactly. You're like, I love that.

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But besides the point, let's let'sget into the musical, because I
mean, I I was. Iwas pretty blown away because and it's kind
of right from the get go isthey and they they say it right away
in the in the music, they'relike, oh, what a what a
departure from a direct departure from thesource of material. Yeah, and then

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they like kind of keep going rightafter that. And it's one of those
things that they are able to belike right from the get go, being
like we're doing something completely different,but it's still beetlejuice and has that energy
and uh and is going but isgoing to be our own thing. And

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in a world where we already talkedabout Scott Pilgrim takes off, uh and
it we you know, where everyonewas so fucking angry that you know,
they they wasn't just an animated ScottPilgrim versus the world, you know,
like that they was everything I was. I'm angry made a secret sequel?

(23:00):
How dare you? It's like you'relike you got new content and like,
but it's kind of like that whereit's like it's able to, like Scott
Pilgrim takes off stand on its ownstyle, yeah, merit, which is
an interesting I'm doing my own thingtrajectory. Cause and again this ties back
to Batman. Everything is connected toBatman early early, early on, before

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we even had someone to like composethe music and write the book, when
Warner Brothers was looking for like they'relooking at their properties in the same way
that Disney looked at their properties.They're just like, why don't we take
these fucking things and just adapt themfor the stage. Warner Brothers looked at
their stuff, and one of theearly ideas they had was to actually just
make a musical of Batman eighty nine. Oh, And what happened was this

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was between Schoemacher but before Nolan andthen Batman begins came out and they're just
like, Okay, if we haveserious, if we had this man in
tights come up and sing, it'sgonna be like the Shoemaker movies all over
again. So we can't do that. What else do we have? And
then they looked at Betlejuice sooner you'rejust like, Okay, that seems like
it could work, And then weended up Then we ended up getting it,

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and it began off Broadway in Washington, d C. It still kept
like the cast we knew, whicheventually became the original Broadway cast, started
as much more like r rated andraunchier, and like the dialogue and lyrics
you can actually find like the olddemos for when the show was pitched and
how much the songs have changed comparedto like what you get now, And

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it's one of those things where theytoned it down because it's just like,
all right, we kind of wenta little too far. We could still
like bring it back without having tojust force it and just try to make
it funny because the F word.Yeah, but it was a show that
like didn't wasn't especially well received atDC or even when it made the trip
to Broadway. It was always sortof on the cusp of like keeping itself

(24:57):
afloat in the original theater they wereat, and then the pandemic hit it
and stuff, and the thing thatsort of saved it, ironically, of
all things were zoomers like yeah,I mean is kind of TikTok, you
know, like it's kind of like, oh wow, this is like it
started off as I forget. Ithink it's Presley Ryan. She was the

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second Lydia after the original one leftjust on a whim, would do like
TikTok so behind the scenes stuff andthen just doing like little rehearsals for the
songs, and then that got abunch of followers and then it turned into
a bunch of kids like doing thesongs on TikTok, which gained popularity turned
people onto the musical, and thenit started to sort of like find its
audience and became a much bigger hit. Yeah, and you know, now

(25:48):
Deshaun's seen it twice and I've seenit, and like it's really for me.
It's about the energy. Like there'sa lot of adaptions of musicals,
you know, like like two musicals, Like they take something and they make
it a musical. This might beone of the best ones. This might

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be one of the best of justtaking something that already exists and making it
a musical because it is it's ableto bring its own energy, write great
songs that actually you want to listento afterward. Sorry, Evil Dead the
musical I love you, but Ijust I and I had a great time

(26:30):
going to see you, but Ido not care about that. Yeah,
but it sort of works just likeas the whole, as the whole presentation,
not all of the works. It'slike, oh and I want to
listen to it on its own,which is fine. Sometimes it really only
works in its own context. Yeah, right, that's totally fine. I
think that's that's how musical can be. And that's great. But there's a

(26:52):
lot of great songs here. Yeah, and you look at something like beat
of Juice and you're like, Okay, that's certainly zany enough to translate to
a music, right, but whatare you bringing to the table here?
And I think one of the thingsthat helps is that they were put at
a disadvantage because they couldn't get therights to the Elfman score. Yes,
so they can still turn like thetheme into its own song or anything,

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or like, oh, we reallyjust have to make up our own stuff
now, which I think was isgreat. It's kind of like throwing out
the whole thing and kind of startingfrom scratch, and we get this really
like heartfelt, full of energy retellingof Beetlejuice, you know, like with
lots of great solo songs, whichis surprising. In beal Juice, you're

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like, okay, and there's stillthat little bit of fan service there.
So it's like, Okay, wecouldn't get the Elfman score, but we
got Deo and we got dumped inthe line, so we were able to
get those and use those and actuallyturn that into like its own motif and
that was and that's a great songtoo, you know, Like I feel
like they took the most fun partof the movie, you know, like

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and the musical part of the movie, and made it even more fun and
wild, you know, and you'rejust like, that's great. It's exactly
what you want out of an adaptation. You look at like the original material
and you recognize it for what itworked, but then you look at stuff
that could have been fleshed out moreor something that was sort of like untapped
potential, and you run with it. The biggest thing being like Lydia's dead

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mom in the original was just kindof like a throwaway line, like we
know that Delia is her stepmom,and that's as far as it goes.
We don't know how long Lydia's momhas been gone. It seems like like
Delia's been in the family for awhile, but Lydia's just can't stand her.
But here it is just like,oh, the dead mom thing.
What if he made that the entireemotional crux of this right And in a

(28:48):
way you're like, of course,yeah, you know, like it's one
of those things where you're like,yeah, that makes so much sense,
and it really, uh, itbecomes one of those things where Lydia goes
from being you know this this maincharacter of the movie to being like the
main the main character of the musicalwith Beetlejuice, you know, like and

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I think that that's super interesting,you know, like where it's I think
that's like them two together. It'skind of one of those musicals where it's
like two powerhouse performances. And Ithink that and they almost it's almost like
they had to discover it themselves asthe production like went along, because in
the original version of the musical,that opening prologue like ballad wasn't there.

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It just immediately went into the wholebeing dead thing. Really same thing with
the end of the movie when theyfinally actually do the jump in the line
song. Originally it was just acover of the song and that's how it
ended. You didn't get like thereprise of dead Mom to like really cap
it off. So even as theywere going along in the production, they
sort of like discovered it themselves.I like that though. I like that,

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you know, like changing it toadapt to make it better, like
and you can see, you know, like in the recordings the difference between
what we saw too, you know, like I feel like they you know,
made they made changes, you know, like to to things that made
that work better for what they weredoing. And I think that that's super
interesting. Even the even the likealbum recording is conscious of like the differences,

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like just even as simple as theline of just like if you die
in the middle of the performance,the show will not stop changes into like
if you die while listening to thisalbum, It's still gonna keep playing.
Yeah. I love that UH,and I think that it's it's it's an
incredible thing to be like, Wow, they were able to make this not

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only great songs great UH a greatadaptation of of Beetlejuice because it really does
stick to Beetlejuice but expands on itin all in great ways. But also
UH is an impressive Broadway production.I never want that to pass up when

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I see a production like of thiscaliber. Is how fantastic the set design
was, how well choreographed, thescenes worth, the dance scenes, but
also just how everyone moves around thestage is it was incredible, And just
some of the effects they're pulling offwas really amazing. Really Yeah, I

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just I just can't As somebody whodidn't know what I was getting into going
into it, I can't recommend thismusical enough, I could recommend this to
anybody. I feel like anybody who'sever been like bial Juice is fun,
you'll be like, you'll love bealJuice to musical, it's fucking great.
Yeah. I think you were putin the perfect spot of just like,
yeah, you've seen the movie,but you know very little about like the

(31:56):
musical, And because it becomes itsown thing in a great way, you
were able to be like so surprisedand sort of enamored by it. Me
I had like already heard about it. I'm like, well, I like
Beetlejuice, and people seem to likethis one. I'll listen to the album
since I might not be able togo see it. Yeah, And then
like, listen to the album abunch. But because the musical isn't sung
through, you're missing a lot ofcontext. You're like, Okay, I

(32:17):
guess I'll have to look up withthe synopsis of the actual show is and
hope I get to see it atsome point. And then when they announced
that it was coming to Boston,I'm like, all right, got to
see that immediately. Yeah, right. And I would say that to anybody
if if you are able to seethis Broadway tour. If you're or if

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you get a chance to see BealJuice on Broadway, is it still there
or is it gone? From theHanover, it's gone. I think it's
out like the Handover, it's gone. But on Broadway at the moment,
is there actual Broadway in New York? It's been gone like it already had.

(32:58):
It's like final con just the tour. Now the tour now, Okay,
well I would I would absolutely recommendit to anybody. And it's one
of those things that I know thatthey're doing Beal Just too. We me
and de Sean talked about it rightaway afterwards where I was where I was
like, okay, well, nowI after seeing Beald Just the musical,
I'm kind of like, well,of course you're doing Beal Juice too,

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because they were able to mind somuch from just the first movie that of
course you could do a Beald Justtwo and have as much fun about it.
But then it makes me go,but where's where's Beeal just the musical?
The movie? Where's U? Yeah? Like, to be honest,
like I did, the best thingfor me about Beatlejuice two happening is that

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one it'll probably influence the tour togo on longer and maybe come back,
because I would I see it athird time? Yeah, and to maybe
get the pro shot of it,because there was one planned but then COVID
hit and then kind of squashed thoseplans, and then now the original Broadway
cast has moved on, so you'relike, fuck, yeah, so maybe,
I mean that would be really coolif we could, if that could

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happen, you know, like apro shot, but more pro shots in
general should happen. It's just oneof those things where you're like, why
did the success of Hamilton just haveto be the success of Hamilton? Why
are we not taking more musicals todoing pro shots? Man cannot live?
Man cannot just live on fucking Hamiltonand the SpongeBob musical alone. Yeah,

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more, what is that ship?What is that? You know, like
and and and I And maybe it'sbecause Warner Brothers isn't investing in that as
much as Paramount and uh and andwell Disney did the you know, but
like, well, well, theDisney thing is different because that pro shot
for Hamilton was shot in twenty sixteen, and then it entered like a bidding

(34:49):
war for it for years and thenDisney was just the one who ended up
on top of got it. Okay. So it's one of those things where
you're like, why are we whyare we sitting I know it might cost
money, but I feel like you'resitting on money guys. And I get
the like these pro shots like yeah, and I get I get the like
logic even though it doesn't really holdtoo much water of just if we put

(35:09):
it, if we put it outfor people, they're not gonna want to
come see it. Yeah, that'sto me, that's insane. To me,
that's insane. That's like being like, oh, if I put out
my music on album, if Iput out a live album, people won't
want to go see me live.You're like exactly dumb idiots, Like of
course if I if I listen tothe live album, I'm gonna want to

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go see him live, you know, if anything anything, you know,
like I remember, you know,a bullet in a bible when I was
growing up, you know, greendays like live concert film. I remember
being like, Wow, I gottago see these guys live. You know,
Like it's one of those things whereit's like you are not seeing that
and being like I am satisfied byseeing this on screen, I would think

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I am done now I have seenit, you know, like, especially
for a musical, are you kiddingme? It's about the performances and and
the set and like and how itall comes together alive in front of you,
Like there's a magic in the theater, guys, Like as much as
the magic in cinema, and Ilove cinema, there's a magic in theater

(36:15):
making it all happen right in frontof the earth. And sure there is
like there's almost its own allure tothe stage and that like, oh it's
fleeting, it'll come by, andthen that performance in and of itself is
completely different, cause performance in littlein little ways, and even that if
you miss it, you might neverbe able to see it, you know,
at least legally anyway. But it'sjust it's just one of those things.

(36:42):
And sure that's also kind of beautifulin so ald way. It's just
like, oh, the thing isnot beautiful just because it lasts sometimes it's
fleeting, but the logic still doesn'treally hold water. Like no, and
there are so few of them,like the ones that like usually come to
minors, Like there was a proshot of Cats from the eight there's one
a phantom. There's one of lesMin's sort of but it's more like a

(37:05):
concert or an actual like than theactual showcase of the entire play. There's
Hamilton, there's SpongeBob. They justput out one for the Prince of Egypt
because that was a West End musicalfor a little bit. I did not
know that, Oh Mary would loveto listen to that. I might have
to. I might have to grabthat. Geesh uh but you said,
where's that streaming? Do you know? It's just up? It used to

(37:30):
just be on Broadway HD. Butit's up on like the usual places like
Amazon or Google by now for justrenting, so you can just like rent
it and watch it. Okay,like I've I haven't watched it yet,
but it's I mean, I'm good. Like I'm saying. That's what I'm
saying though, is like I hearabout it, and of course I instantly
and I'm like, yeah, Iwant that, you know, like instantly,

(37:52):
I'm like, yeah, of courseI'll watch that. You can't just
like you can't just hope to belike, huh, maybe we'll get a
pro shot or maybe for extra extraex extri fortunate, maybe we'll get like
an actual movie adaptation of it,and even then that comes with its own
challenges and doesn't always translate. Yeah, So that's my thing is that,
Like I would say, people gosee it as if you can on on

(38:13):
this tour and if they extend tour, police go see it. You know,
Like, but I would love amovie adaptation of this. I would
love a pro shot of this.I would love you know, Like it's
just one of those things that Iit just I think it needs more attention.
It's one of those things where Iknow that like the TikTok kids have

(38:35):
blown it up, but like it'salmost one of those things where you're like,
damn, guys, that's it.And if you're afraid of like that's
a good one. And if you'reafraid of just like, well, we
don't want to do this while we'retrying to have the primary market focus on
the actual sequel, then you couldjust make it a Max original. No
one write that, and I noone would give it in a world where
we were already doing that so much. It's like, come on, let's

(38:59):
let's be real. But I willsay the absolute infectious energy that is in
the room of seeing this live ishard to replicate. Yes, I see
it's gonna be It's that that isThat is what I think is so special
about this is not only is ita great adaptation, Uh, the music's

(39:20):
great, but like just the waythe story moves, the way, the
whole the way the plot moves ata great pace. That the way uh
the beal Juice is as a narrator, he just moves with such a great
and it gives keeps you involved.He's even like interacting with the audience and
such like there's a reason why,like post its success on Broadway. One

(39:45):
of the nicknames that this version ofBeetlejuice Gott was just like he's kind of
Broadways Deadpool. Yeah, yeah,a little bit, a little bit,
but like in a in a ina in a fun way, you know.
Yeah, it's just like he's ramchy, he's fourth wall breaking. Yeah
yeah, exactly, not your cosplayeddead Pool. He's referencing other like stage

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productions and stuff. Yeah, andit's fun. It's I think that that's
fun and like and it's they're ableto make Beetlejuice, who's already played by
the absolute charismatic Michael Keaton, youknow, like into something even more wild
and crazy and charismatic, you know, like and you're just like okay,

(40:27):
but it makes you be like Iwould absolutely watch Michael Keaton try to perform
this, even at this age.I know how old he is, but
I would love to watch a MichaelKeaton musical version of this, Like,
you know, like I did thinkthat several times. I was like,
I would absolutely pay for this,whatever money I would pay to have Michael

(40:47):
Keaton back for this musical version.Like I'm like, whatever you need to
do. But I will say thatthe guy I know who plays him on
the recordings is Alex Brightman, whowas also he also played Dewey Finn in
a School of Rock musical that wasa thing for a little bit. He's
also if anyone's anyone listening, islike a has been Hotel slash Hell of

(41:09):
a Boss fan. He's also FizzerRalli on that and he's Adam and so
it is a little off topic.What the hell? What is that?
It feels like something I should watchbecause I've heard it referenced by so many
people that has been Hotel that Allright, So here's the thing. It

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was a thing. It was athing that blew up five years ago because
it was a completely independent animated pilotthat was like almost up to the par
of like professional productions, just astwo pilots on YouTube, one for at
show called Has Been Hotel, onefor Hell of a Boss, both by
the same creator a lot of thesame people, and they just kind of

(41:52):
blew up. He was just like, Wow, this is an inventive concept,
and it's really insane that you wereable to deliver a pilot this high
quality, go to go straight forYouTube? What's next? And then Hell
of a Boss became a full seriesjust specifically on YouTube and it has a
bunch of like Broadway stars on itand stuff that like come in do like
guests. And then Has Been Hotelgot picked up by A twenty four to

(42:15):
become a series on Amazon Prime,which just started today. What oh wow,
that's crazy. So the pilot wasthe pilot was like four years ago,
and then now it's finally like comingto fruition. So it was a
thing where like it kind of heldits own fan base, especially since Hell
of a Boss has been going on. It's really funny, it's raunchy,

(42:36):
it's creative. I like it alot. Okay, well I'll have to
check it out. I've just seenpeople talk about it, and you know,
Mary's nieces talked about it. Soyeah, it's one of those things
where like in its own bubble,it became its own thing for a while.
Yeah, it's like a crazy cultfollowing. Yeah that's cool. But
but but back to the point.The guy Alex Brightman is original Broadway Beetlejuice,

(42:59):
the actor for the incredible talent.Incredible talent though I will say,
like that man, there's a reasonwhy, like the tiktoks took off,
because that man is is full ofenergy, you know, like he really
fucking brings it. But I alsohas a genetic advantage because it's not easy

(43:20):
to sing with that type of voice, and so depending on who plays the
part, Like I've seen like clipsof recordings of people who just don't go
for the voice at all and itdoesn't feel the same. He has the
advantage. Yeah, he can vibratehis vocal cords because of the way it's
vocal cordes formed where it doesn't givehim the tickle in this throat, which
means you're you know, you're damagingit. So he can pretty much sing

(43:43):
in that voice all day, andnot everyone can do that. No,
yeah, that's not easy. That'snot easy. But there are the guy
that we saw in our performance.The name right there. I'm trying to
look it up because it because thegeneral like tour Beetlejuice is Justin collect who
was who I saw in Boston andwhen we went to go see it in

(44:04):
Worcester, it was the understudy.It wasn't Justin Colette. And I had
trouble even when we had first comeout of the show and I was trying
to post about it, like findingout who it was, okay, because
he was great, he was fantastic. I thought he was fantastic. I
was like, holy shit, thisguy brings down the house like absolutely,
like it leads this thing with theOkay, I think in my threads I

(44:25):
had said that I believe don't quoteme on this, correct me if anyone
actually knows. I believe it's MatthewMichael Deanie. I think that, I
mean because I had to look uplike pictures of what the understudies looked like,
and it's sort of tough to tellwith like your Beetlejuice, like makeup
and stuff for like, I thinkthat's him. I think that's him.
I mean it was an incredible performancefrom him. And Lydia, Yeah,

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Isabella Esler, she was also theLydia I whant. I went to go
see it in Boston. She's whichfantastic, which I've been talking about Beetlejuice
and like his songs and his butlike really Lydia's songs. Here are the
songs. They're gonna Yeah, they'rethe heart of the show. You're you're
gonna remember those, uh, Andshe the actress playing it really like absolutely

(45:15):
just I was able to hold songsby herself with nothing else going beyond behind
her for songs, which first offtakes a lot of guts and a lot
of uh, you know, power, and and she had it and and
and the and and then was ableto like do these giant Dan snumbers with
beal Juice the whole time and you'rejust like these just nuts, you know,

(45:37):
like just amazing stuff. And II always appreciate seeing a Broadway show,
Like one of my favorites was seeingI got to see Tannel Radcliffe and
How to Conceit in Business and theyjust tossed that man around for two hours
and you gotta you gotta give thecredit where athletic ability, where the athletic
ability is, because it really ittakes a lot. Just like do it

(46:00):
now, do it four nights ina row afterward, yeah, or do
the Matine show and then do itagain. Yeah, Like it's just like
you just did a whole athletic eventand you gotta do it again, you
know, basically also sing and tryingto and then sing again and then sing
again and don't lose your voice,yeah right, and as I lose my

(46:22):
voice as you do the Beatlejuice voice, you know, like at the same
time, you know, you're justlike but yeah, even amongst fans who
have like seen it on Broadway andstuff where even got to see it with
like OBC, have like talked abouthow good Isabella like Esler's version of it
for the tour version. Like I'veseen videos where people have like just did
like audio recordings of like one ofthe shows, or she's done like her

(46:44):
version of Dead Mom or something,and most of the comments will be like,
holy shit, this might be thismight be our best lady. I
want to go see this version now. Yeah, And I can't recommend it
enough. I really can't like II I love IM. I'm a sucker
for musicals, I am, Iwill I'm guys, you can't me if

(47:07):
it's been brought up. We hada whole movie Musicals episode where we really
went into it. Yeah, I'ma sucker for a musical, but I'm
also critical of musicals. Like Iwatched a musical and if it's bad,
I'm just like, you know,like I'm just like that's not it,
you know, like you know,like, but if they're able to bring
the energy, I am, Iam quite forgiving. But the I think

(47:31):
that this this music, uh,this musical, the way uh it's pastde
written. The set design, theeffects, uh, the use of projection
to do effects is all astounding.The cast is fantasm Yeah, and that's

(47:51):
just like the tour version, right, even like the Broadway version even had
like more advantages and stuff like thegiant floating head for like the like,
oh beat the juice is finally freething. Yeah, little little stuff like
during the during the day, oh, like musical number there's a scene they
have this thing where like they havea roast pig that they're eating for dinner

(48:14):
and it comes to life, butyou have to adapt for the tour version
in the same way that in theBroadway version, Barbara and Adam die by
falling through the like creaky floorboards.But you know, not every stage is
gonna have a trapdoor, so theyadapt it to be like, oh,
faulty wires, it got electrocuted,yeah, which I think works too.
I think that actually makes a lotof sense, you know, like for

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touring wise, you're just like,this makes you know, we never know
what set we're gonna be on.We can't go through every floor, you
know, like, so my let'sdo let's do this, you know,
like and and even in the tour, even in the Broadway version, they're
like, we're in the basement,but they're not in the basement, so
you're kind of like wait. You'relike, you're like, wait a minute.

(48:57):
This floor thing doesn't exactly work outeither, So I like the electric
shock almost makes more sense. Yeah, Like its just but I do get
it because the them driving off thebridge in the original movie is one of
the more iconic things about the moviein general, is them going through the
covered bridge and die with the dog. Although I always felt like as a

(49:21):
kid that wasn't high enough of hallfor them to just like straight up die
falling that way. I mean,I'm from New Hampshire. Those covered bridges,
they could gill you. It's alwaysbeen like one of my like fears
is like being in a car andlike falling into water like that. Like
it's been. I think that's likethe most recurring nightmare I've ever had ever
since I was a kid, justlike being in a car and it like

(49:45):
going off a bridge into like intothe ocean or something. Yeah, mine
is go is just going off abridge, is like going off the bridge.
And most of the time it's thatcurve as you leave Austin on ninety
three. It's just that, likeyou know, into the air. I
wake up before that most of thetime before the car hits unless you know,
but like, yeah, that happensto me a lot too. It's

(50:07):
like the same dream where it's justlike going It's like to the point where
I'm like mentally prepared for it.It's just like, don't panic, don't
don't panic, take off the spelt, immediately, kick out the fucking windows,
take off your shoes. John's sogoddamn prepared prepared for this crash,
even though it's never gonna happen.But which is ironic because I can swim,

(50:29):
but I can't tread water. Soit's just like, okay, I'll
float. I guess wait, youcould. You could swim, but you
can't tread water. Yeah I can. I can, like stroke, anyone
can fucking stroke. I never gotthe practice in. It's just like actually
stayed. I never got to.I never got the practice to like actually
stay in place in one place.I can move, I just can't like

(50:51):
stay in place. And every timeI've like tried, I can't do it.
And I don't swim enough to getthe practice in. Yeah, no,
no, I get it. It'sjust I think it's I just thought
that. I was like one ofthe things they're they're just like get out
there, you have to don't die, you know, And they teach swimming.
They're like you tread, don't die, and you're like no, yeah,
and never really cover that, likemine don't die. Was just like
all right, I guess I'm gonnapunch out of this. I'm no one

(51:15):
to talk. I was. Iwas twelve at a boy scout camp and
they were like, Frank, canyou not swim? And I was like
I'm really good at sticking to thewalls of the pool. And they were
like, they were like, Frank, you can't swim. And I was
like, oh uh no, andthey like put. I had a week
where I had to learn to likeswim once a day, you know,
like and then finally the next yearI did a mile swim to prove that

(51:38):
I was much better and earned theswimming Marrid Bitch and you know, like
all those things. But it waslike one of those things where I was
like, so I have nothing totalk on. I am not much a
better swimmer. Well I wasn't,but I'm much better now. But I
was growing up. I was justlike I'm spider Man on the wall.

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And plus we're both in our thirties. Yeah, if an emergency happens,
we might just cramp up even tryingto swim. Hey, hey, I
like swimming. I just like creakingup, creaking, there goes the cramp.
I'm dead. I'm dead now,God now, No, I mean
I do. I do love toswim. I feel like Mary the other
day was like, there's a Manchesterswimming pool thing you can sign up for,

(52:23):
and I was like maybe I waslike warm water sounds going back on
topic, but yeah, you weretalking about the songs. Did you have
any song that was like a particularfavorite? I mean dead mom of course
is fantastic. Uh, the manyrepraises about the thing thing about death.

(52:47):
Yeah, the whole being dead thingis great. I think that that's I
think those are fantastic. What wasanother one? And what's it? What's
the the song where she came infront of the curtain. I can't remember
the name of the song at themoment here, but she like came in
front of the whole curtain just sangfor a bit, oh, which she's

(53:08):
in another world? Yeah, maybeeven before that, but yeah, like
it might be even before that.But what's the context of like the scene,
Like what is she singing? I'msorry, but yeah, that's that
is the problem. I don't remember, but I do. I do want
to say that she she she dida great job of those scenes that really

(53:30):
blew me away. But once Itend to listen to the most like if
I'm not going to listen to thewhole album, which I can, it's
like only half an hour, soit's super easy to just put on are
that beautiful sound? Yes, whichis the song like just after the inter
just after the intermission's over and aftera girl scout leads directly into that beautiful

(53:50):
song sound. I love it becauseit almost it's almost like my love of
horror described in the song. AndI love the I love jumping the line
slash like dead mom Reprieze, whichis like the final song to get it
out, just because it's so emotional. I I did love Creepy Old Guy.
I thought it was I was likeJesus Christ when we got to when

(54:15):
they the the whole song Creepy OldGuy gets it makes me. I mean,
you had you kind of if youwere going to tackle that plot point
again for adapting it into musical,you're gonna you're gonna have to joke about
it. And to be fair,even in the original movie, it's just
like, hey, this is justa means to an end. Like even

(54:35):
he even beatles you himself describes itas more like a green card thing.
So like the show really leans intothat. It's a green card thing.
Don't worry about don't think about it, door bad, It's fine. I
think the song is no Reason wasthe name of the song. The song
with that's with Lydia and Delia,Yeah, I think so. And the

(54:57):
song about like positivity versus cynicism.Yeah, And I also really liked what
I Know Now. I thought thatwas also. Oh yeah, the Miss
Argentina song, Yeah, yeah,I thought that was. I was really
impressed with that because it's like oneof those things where it's such a just
throwaway joke in the movie, youknow, like the Miss Argentina line.
It's one of my favorite jokes inthe movie though, Like I love if

(55:22):
you guys know me based on listeningto the show, I love horror,
and I have a very fucking morbidsense of humor. I love dark humor,
so like shit like that that wentover my head as a kid.
I just laugh at the like Iwouldn't have had my little accident and she
just holds up her fucking slit wrists. That shit is hilarious to me.
It is so morbid, it's great. But like them turning it into this

(55:46):
great song is fantastic. Interesting thingabout the original, like Broadway cast for
that, the same actress who theydon't do this anymore, but like the
original showing the actress who played Deallyalso played Miss Argentina, so she had
to do like a whole makeup turnaround, and like as soon as as soon
as like what I know now wasdone, she had to like quickly go

(56:09):
into the mid like get rid ofall the green makeup and stuff. That's
crazy, that is nuts. Ido love that though. I love I
love shit like that. I lovea great you know, the like you
know, I've said it before aboutlike you know, old Godzilla movies and
stuff like that. I love seeingthe effort it takes to make something.

(56:30):
And that is the fun of amusic a Broadway show in any past,
in any uh not Broadway show ingeneral, but like any theater, you
know, like did you get tokind of see the effort it takes to
make it happen? And I feellike the Beal Juice is one of those
where you're just like, yeah,holy shit, set set design alone,
it makes the house feel like itsown character, which is always a plus.

(56:53):
Yeah, and not not only that, but they're able to like break
it up and move around in thehouse and make it a vision will thing,
you know, like where it's liketo kind of like separate the addict
a little bit so you can likesee it. And then yeah, to
the point where like you don't evento the point where you don't even really
need the whole thing with like themodel home in the original movie, because

(57:15):
that's not here. Yeah, It'sjust one of those things that's like interesting
to point out, is like what'shere and what's not? Because I like,
because Otho doesn't have a song onthe album, just in the musical
in general, I thought they hadcut Otho out until I like read the
synopsis. I'm like, oh,this O not in the musical. And
you even asked me that when wewere like during intermission, it's like,

(57:36):
it's weird that Otho's not here.I'm like, oh, he's here,
He's just not here, not hereyet they I thought it was funny that
they kind of play it off likeoh no, oath was not here because
kept being like as my as mygrou always says, yeah, and here
wasn't in the cartoon either. I'mlike, damn all this Otho erasure.

(57:59):
I love un shatticks, come on, come back, But I I thought
that he was. It was sucha fun ad to the to the show
too. It's just and that's thething. I definitely the second half started
and I was like where do weWhere are we going from here? You
know, Like it was one ofthose things where I was like, we're
almost at the end of Beetlejuice bythe time the intermission happened. What do

(58:22):
you mean you know, like whatlike what like in the movie was already
rushing towards the end there, Whatdo you mean there's a second half?
You know, like yeah, andthen like and that's like the third act,
just like we're awakening, we're likereleasing him here and we're only halfway
through, so like where do wego? Yeah, and I feel like

(58:44):
that's the It's it's one of thosethings where I was like, how do
they do this? You know,like how how how are they going to
adapt this and make this work?And I was astounded and amazed and kind
of just really impressed with how theywere able to like make it fun move
and it doesn't feel like a wasteof time. A lot of second acts

(59:05):
feel like a waste of time tome in a lot of ways where it's
just like, oh, yeah,you have to have an intermission because it's
you know, it's a it's ait's a play. But sometimes I'm like
middle you know, like like Istruggle with that in my own writing,
Like I always know how something's gonnastart and how it's gonna finish, but
that middle and middle is that middle, That middle is a negotiation process also

(59:29):
just to be like on the positiveside, guys, leave girls scout alone.
That's That's the one song I seepeople kind of shit on sometimes I'm
just like, it's really fun,it's funny, leave it alone. I
thought it was fun. Plus it'sand plus it's a good plus, it's
a good like segue into that beautifulsound. It's a good way to like
bring us back. Yes, Ithink so too. I think it's a

(59:52):
it's a very musical way of beinglike you you know, like but let's
see the new standard they have set, the new yeah, like you know,
like what way it is now?You know? And I also I
also love the aspect of just likeLydia, not bringing beetlejuice like out of
the proverbial bottle to like save Adamand Barbara, but just to be like

(01:00:15):
fuck you dad, my house nowrebel. I do like that. I
like that more, you know,like instead of the weird like Okay,
we're gonna share the house, butnow uh, Lydia. I mean,
they'll sort of just live with us, the ghosts. Like it's just like

(01:00:37):
the ending, you're just like,wait, what, okay, we're just
here. They're here now, okay, Like you know, like it's just
like one of those things where they'reable to change that. And to be
fair, like I do sort ofmiss like the heavier stuff in the bioextricism
in the original movie, Like thatthird act is messy, but it's a
genuinely haunting scene where you see likeAdam and Barbara start to like rot as

(01:01:00):
they're like dying even though they're alreadydead. Yeah, you're like there's some
fantastical, great practical effects and greatlike stop motion too. With like the
sculptures. It's interesting that like thesculptures were sort of there as like a
background thing, but we also haveestablished that Deally as like a sculpt sure
person. We just we just dolike the life coach thing. They're just

(01:01:22):
kind of like it's her style,you know, although I do think that
was smart like a modern interpretation,just like making her a life coach and
like Charles and her having an affairbefore they actually get together. Yes,
exactly. I think there's a lotof things that they change, and I
think it works better and I feellike I I I genuinely want more people

(01:01:43):
to see this. Yeah, itis basically even you know, even Adam
and Barbara from a characterization standpoint,being slightly different than the movie where it's
like because like Adam and Barbara inthe movie are just kind of a mood,
like I love them just like,look, we just want to we
just want to hang out at thehouse and just get work then leave us
a lit no, we don't haveto have kids, versus the like we're
kind of afraid to take the nextstep in our lives. We're kind of

(01:02:07):
terrified by the idea, and nowthat we're dead, we never got to
take that step. But then theyreally pushed the whole like, Okay,
Lydia's like the surrogate daughter figure inthis case, like something that we can
help. Yeah, I think thatit's it improves on a lot of stuff,
which I you know, as asa you know, people of fans

(01:02:27):
of the original movie, you'll belike, what you know, like the
musical Beetlejuice improves on the movie,and you're like, in a lot of
ways, Yeah, in a lotof ways, like that's what people tell
me. It's it's better. Ihad a friend who and then I showed
him the movie afterwards, so hesaw the stage version first, and he's

(01:02:51):
like, I prefer the musical,And I've had a couple of friends say
that too, or it's just likeI prefer the musical. I'm like,
I totally get it. I totallyget it, because you know, as
somebody who's not like the biggest fanof the movie, you know, I'm
not like over the like I likeit. I do, I do.
I'm not saying and I would say, there's probably maybe only a few instances
where like that's the case where like, oh, I actually prefer the musical

(01:03:13):
version of this thing. I alreadyhad an original version, Like Matilda the
musical is great, but I stillprefer the original movie. Legally Blonde the
musical slaps. I will say that, I will I will say I kind
of enjoy the musical more than themovie. It's even like because I'm trying
to think of an example because mostof the time, like I will probably

(01:03:34):
just prefer the original, like sayingthings like I know, I know you're
a big fan of the of likethe Nathan Lane Matthew Broderick version of the
Producers. Yes, I am,Yes, I'm not huge on it.
I feel like it doesn't translate noNo as a movie. I feel like
it's performing to an audience that doesn'texist. Ah, and it always comes

(01:03:57):
off. It always came off asjust kind of stark and weird to me,
all Right, I get and maybeI gotta really I think it's one
of those things where like they triedto translate it too much, like one
to one and try to make itconform to it as the opposed to really
looking at the medium and trying tolike bend it to make it work a
little more. Maybe that's why Ilike it. Is it it is feeling
like you're watching a show, youknow, like true, but it's it's

(01:04:20):
weird to have like the we're done, we did it clap, but there's
no audience there to actually clap,so it's just kind of awkward. Yeah
maybe, yeah, yeah it is. Yeah, it's And I always endeared
to that though. It's like it'sweirdly be like waiting for applause that spot
coming. Yeah, Like you can'tkeep stuff like breaks and stuff like that

(01:04:44):
when you're in this new medium there'snothing, there's nothing to bounce off of.
So true. Uh, And that'swhat I mean is that even even
here, it's like, uh,you know, like they are able to
change uh this this movie formatted thingor even cartoon formatted thing and making it
into a musical and change the formatand make it work. Basically, Yeah,

(01:05:09):
guys, to sum it up,beild just the musical. Absolutely,
go see it. If you can't, if you get a chance, go
see it. Bother Warner Brothers togo to make it go round more to
We're gonna pro shot to get something. I think it's already had like one
extension pass like its original like intent, just because it's been doing well,

(01:05:32):
it's already recouped the cost for thetour itself. You're like, all right,
it keep it going if it comesthis way again. I would love
to see it a third time.And I want to pro shot if anything,
to just preserve how cool the effectsare. Yeah, exactly, I
agree, And I I will saythat you that this is different than the

(01:05:55):
movie, but in a lot ofways better and but in a way in
a loving way to the material,because in a lot of ways, it's
like the it's the ideal adaptation thatyou can kind of hope for something where
it's that perfect middle ground of likeactually satisfying people because people are fickle,
and you're just like, well,I don't want it to just be the

(01:06:16):
same. I want to be different, but not too different, too different,
because then it won't be like thething I like. But don't make
it too the same, because thenit's just the same. You're like,
all right, And this actually managesto like fall within that very very narrow
requirement, and it does it.I think it does it, and I
feel like it deserves more attention,more eyes, and I feel like we

(01:06:42):
we deserve more Beatles use the musicalas an audience, you know, like
I feel like it needs to takeoff in a bigger way. I want
more. It's basically it, youknow, like give me more of that
wonder Brother's come on quick, youknow, like let's get it's give me,
give me more beal juiced to musical. But then also you can keep

(01:07:03):
going, you know, yeah's atleast at give just give me the pro
shot. I can't live on thealbum forever. It's true. So,
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