The Warped Shelf - Creepshow and Trick 'r Treat

It's anthology time on The Warped Shelf and we're talking the the cream of the crop for the subgenre with the most consistent segments from both horror powerhouses and horror newcomers of the day. Episode #163

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Hello, and welcome to the warp Shell.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm Frank Durant, I'm a Shan Vasquez, and today we
are too artist reaching.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
To the mile.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Today it's movies, but oftentimes it can be movies, it
can be TV shows, it can be books, sometimes comics,
any sort of art form that moves you, something that's
worth taking with you, whether that's you know, putting on
the proverbial warp shelf or the literal one.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
And today we're talking spookies, We're talking horror. We're in October,
and you know what that means, We're deep in horror movies.
Me Anda Sean both have different like all movie watching
a movie every day at least for for every day
of October for horror movies, you know, like and it's

(01:22):
just like and Deshan goes way harder, maybe up to
five movies, but but you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's in batches. It's not like an everyday thing. It's
still try I still try to equal like around like
twenty five to thirty ish movies for the month, at
least for the Buddy watches. But I'm also watching just
more than that on my own.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
And we are, you know, we always have a Yearly
Special or something like that, and you know, like this
might not be the Halloween episode, but it's Halloween, Dan,
and uh, because we're in the middle of the month,
so today we're talking about creep Show and Trick or Treat. Now,
why those two Why these two movies?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, in my mind, they're the two best horror anthologies
at least that I've seen anytime that horror anthologies come up,
which is a hard thing to do, Yeah, because you know,
we're talking separate stories all sometimes link together, sometimes not,
sometimes with multiple filmmakers, sometimes at one vision, and oftentimes
because it's separate stories, you sort of end up with like, oh,

(02:26):
this one hits this one not so much. These are
the two where I feel like all of the stories
are good or at least the very least most consistent.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I think it's also important to talk about because
this might be a dying art of a genre of film,
because I feel like the horror anthology.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
It still happens. We have things as.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Soon as all hollow z Eve, you know, like that's
twenty nineteen, I want to say, And there is horror
anthologies that come out, but it's definitely one of those
things where they're starting to transition to be TV shows.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, primarily even Creep Show, which is a TV show
on Shutter Now.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, and it.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Makes sense, you know, like that's the format, these little
bite sized stories that you know sometimes connects sometimes don't,
you know, does make sense more for TV. Yeah, but
I think that there's some's.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
As easier to forgive too. Yes, if a story doesn't
hit when it's part of a movie, you're like, ah,
that kind of drags the whole project down. You get
like a stinker. On a TV show, You're like, well,
maybe next week's we'll be good.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yes, And I think that's what makes it so a
high risk, high reward with like emotion picture one is
that all these horror movies have to hit, horror shorts
have to hit, you know, like they have to work
together to create this general feeling of what they're going for,
you know, like be it creep shows kind of like

(03:55):
love of horror but also being kind of totally camp
and totally you know, in love with it's you know.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
What, also but also in love with a specific lens
of horror, which is comics. Like this is basically an
unofficial ec comics adaptation. It's like a throwback to like
the actual Tales from the crypt like comic and like
Vault of Horror, et cetera, all those old like genre
prevalent horror books that used to be like the biggest

(04:26):
game in town as far as comic books were concerned
before the Comics Code Authority was just like.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Nah, yeah, which is exactly as the Dad does at
the beginning. But then you have trigger treats kind of
like brand of like horror comedy sort of like going
on there, like, which is much different than what Creep
Show is kind of going for with its.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Creep Show's comedic too, but in a different way.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yes, I wouldn't say.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's horror comedy y because I think it's trying to
be tyrcal at moments, you know, like and that's why,
you know, it's that's the way it is. But yes,
it's like it's kind of that like they have these
different feels to them that that that a TV show
can't get across as well, you know, like and you know,

(05:18):
like and that's what's interesting about these is that, like
we can they have it's such a high risk reward
to do that one motion picture that one United vision
and see what comes out of the five you know,
like or six stories whatever, however many stories you have
in these I do think that, you know, I think

(05:38):
it's important to point out that I feel like Twilight
Zone walked, so these movies could run.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
But it's funny because Creep.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Show walked, so Twilight Zone the movie could happen, you know,
like it kind of proved the formula. Yeah, for the
box office, Creep Show made a lot of money. It
came out so for Halloween that year, it was Halloween
three coming out, so that that came out a little

(06:12):
bit before Halloween, and they kind of knew that people
would be still into the spookies, so they dropped Creep
Show in November and that way it kind of like
ate up the rest of the year popularity wise.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
It would also be a pretty good palate cleanser because
Halloween three, if you've never seen it, you should. It's underrated.
Put the fact that Michael Myers is not in it,
out of your mind is just treated as an individual film.
It's very good, but it's also very fucking bleak.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, it's like I still haven't watched it. That's that
is kind of crazy. It's like one of those things.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I only own two Halloween movies on my shelf and
it's the first one and the third one.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Wow, that's crazy. That is crazy, because I mean I'm
a big Rob Zombie Halloween guys.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I do have a soft spot for the Rob Zombie one.
I just haven't like gone out of my way for
it yet. But it's not one that I'm like actively
like no, never does not belong there.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
But I think that that's so interesting that kind of
like Qwighlight influence, I mean, Client Zone influences this.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
This, which then influences Yeah, it's sort of it's almost
like Uncharted and Raider. Yeah, right, Uncharted influence by tomb
Raider to the point where people used to make fun
of it and call a dude Raider. And then the
style of Uncharted was then incorporated and inspired the tomb
Raider reboot. So it's all like full circle.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
And they've gone on to make just as much money,
I guess. Yeah, you know that with Raider attached to it.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know, like those those games constantly are on the
top buying charts even.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Though they're years and years old at this point.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, they're fun.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, Like and I think anybody can pick them up.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
And but as far as like creep Show is concerned,
like comparing it to Twilight's on the movie is good
because that's a movie I have like mixed feelings about,
only because I feel like too much time is meant one.
I think it should have all been just original stories.
Like I get, I get that you wanted to, yeah,
remaking some of like the more popular like episodes, but.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's really Twilight, you know. But also at the same
time you're kind of like, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Give me new stuff, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, and the new stuff that's there is usually pretty good.
Like I like the John Landis segment despite the very
obvious behind the scenes controversy behind that and the tragedy
surrounding that whole thing. But I also really like the
Joe Dante segment, which gets the flex that, like Gremlin's Energy,
Joe Dante was just put on this earth to make

(08:48):
fucked up cartoons. It just happened to be horror movies instead.
But that's one of those things where again, not every
short is like consistently there.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yes, uh, well, so I think, you know, if we're
gonna like get into creep Show and retreat, I think
the thing that also links this movie is not only
a star cast but also a pretty star studded uh
you know, creative team behind these you know, like I

(09:21):
feel like with George with with Creep Show, it's so
apparent you have Stephen King on writing duty, you know, like,
so you have the King of fucking horror writing a
movie and then you have which.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Is which shows which shows so hard?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
I feel like Stephen King shows that him writing a
movie is hard for him here, but like at the
same time, it's so interesting to see.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
But then but then you have George.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
A Romero on uh on directing duties, and you're just
like in the man is is at his absolute peak?
Like not not like that, this isn't George a Romero
like oh like older not being able to like be
at the top of his game.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
It was the top of his fucking game, yes, and
he's doing.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
It like and I feel like that's what Creep Show
kind of like shows a lot, is that he's able
to like be a genre master at the same time
as making like really interesting, striking visuals.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
And then if that wasn't enough, he also brought over
Tom Savigni to do the fucking creature effects. So I'm like,
what a trifecta. And Savini's worked with and Savini's worked
with Romero before he did the effects for both Done
of the Dead End Day of the Dead.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yes, And I think that and then.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Savini would end up directing the remake of Not to
the Living Dead.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
I think that it's it's a pretty fantastic movie. Like
it's one of those things that like feels so ingrained
in horror, you know, like the whole movie that it's
just I love that, you know, like it's Stephen it
feels so Stephen King. You know, like there's so many

(11:06):
you know, little Stephen King bits that feel like I'm
reading a Stephen King book instead of just seeing an
adaptation of his you know, like that.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
But also Stephen but also a Stephen King comic that
shows a clear love for old horror comics in a
way that we probably wouldn't see again probably until the
first like volume of American Vampire. Really. Yeah, that like
kind of energy.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, I agree, And I think that there's a lot
to be said about that, that that George and Stephen
were good friends and that they wanted to work together
for a long time and then chose this opportunity, which
was such an open landscape to work together.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
And I feel like.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
That's what's cool about this is it's just like it's
Stephen King and George A. Romero working in like a
sandbox and really bringing like really cool visions to the screen,
which is really cool.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, And each segment is distinct. It feels like its
own flavor, even though it's linked by like the narrative,
like these are different stories in the comics. So it
has that like framing device with like little young Joe Hill, yeah,
playing the little boy, which is hilarious and retrospect.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I do love that that, Like it is it is
like little Joe Hill, and they use a little so
at the beginning, he gets slapped by his dad, you know,
like the dad character, and I guess Stephen King was
worried about him, you know, being traumatized or something. So
there's a little jump cut you can kind of see
that he's slapping himself in this in the close jump cut,

(12:46):
you know, like, yeah, Joe Hill's like slapping himself.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
But I think that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Tom Atkins has talked about that, Like I was just
watching In Search of Darkness again, which is like a
big fucking four hour long eighties horror documentary. Just let
me just put that on in the background. I'll watch
that ship again. And Tom Akins had talked about, like
when he did Creep Show, like Stephen King was like
very concerned about It's like, oh, come on, you're not
gonna're not gonna hurt him orrow. You're not gonna You're

(13:11):
not gonna really hurt him on that's my little boy.
And Tom's like he's like, Steven, I'm a professional actor.
It's fine, We're gonna be fine. It's gonna be okay.
Of course I'm not gonna hurt him.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
It's so funny.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
I love that, you know, like like you know, like
you gotta be worried, I guess, but like also like.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Like come on, like but I also love to like
I'm gonna cast my son as the kid who like
kills his dad with a voodoo dog.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah. It's just like.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I I think these stories all kind of work well
together as these kind of uh generally creepy, generally, you know,
sometimes a little wacky, a little like cartoonish.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
As Yes, it's it's a straight up comic, straight.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Up comic, you know, like it's such a fun.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Even the like the slogan for the movie is the
most fun you'll have being scared.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yes. And I think they do a great job of
keeping it creepy.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
I think that that is, even though there's a little
bit of fun going on, you know, like there's a
little bit of you know, wackiness.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I think they do a good job of keeping it creepy.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Throughout, which can be lost when you're trying to be
like wacky, you know, like it kind of the creepiness
can just leave the room, you know, like, and they
somehow are able to keep that here.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
A really good balance.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
And there's some pretty dark humor in this sometimes too.
Like the thing I always think about the most is
the husband from like the Fluffy segment imagining shooting his
wife in the head and then everyone else at the
party just applauds him for it, like yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
You're just like, oh my god, like yeah that was
that was. There's there's some really like dark moments in
this and you're just like, oh, ship, like okay uh.
And I think that that's what makes it so fun,
is that like it captures those like bleak comic book
feels of like I'm never going to see these characters

(15:23):
again they're leaving them to this dark fate you know,
like this like you know, like or this like story
that just ends in in in horror. Like I would
say the uh, the Stephen King short, which I like, uh,
the transformation of.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Search of the V.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
But there's there's there's a part of the film where
Stephen King is actually is the main character of the short.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
And I think that that is such a funny bit
because first off, Stephen King is never a good actor.
He's been in several movies and he's never and in
this in this he's chewing you know, oh yeah, absolutely
chewing everything. Uh he does. He does some commendable stuff here,
but like it really goes.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
It works. It works with the tone though. Yes, it
works both of like the project as a whole, but
also this specific segment yeah, where it's.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Like goofy Hillbilly, you know, like do you want to
just down? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Do you want to just tackle one each one?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
So we have like the framing device of the prologue
where we have like this little boy named Billy who's
being disciplined by his dad played by Tom Atkins because
he's reading creep Show a horror comic and this is
like peak like, ah, what are you reading that garbage for?
That's no good for you. If you find your kid
reading that trash, you just slap them. That'll teach them,

(16:57):
teach them.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's what Yeah, what's he saying? That's what father?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, that's why God made Father's babe. That's why God
made fathers.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Like it is, it's a dark beginning of the fucking movie.
You're just like, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
You know, and then like the sun like I hope
you rot in hell, and then you see like the
eponymous like Creep peeking out the window like sup. And
then we cut to like I.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Love that because the kid just is like my buddy.
It just like runs up to Creep like yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
And then we cut to like and we cut to
the actual comic book that was discarded, blowing off of
the trash can and it opening up to the first segment,
which is a really well done effect that was much
harder to do back then. That transition from like actual
footage of the physical book to an animated version of
it to frame the segment and then switching back to
live action like this is all shit you can do

(17:53):
in just editing software now, but you have like hand
animate this shit back then.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's insane.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's insane, and it looks it does look beautiful the
whole time, and you're just like, that's that's incredible.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
So the first segment is a father's day.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Father's Day now.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
I especially, I especially love this one because it does
feel like Stephen King, but it also kind of feels
Ronald dollish.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
In a way, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Roll Doll, Yeah, roll Doll, because like the characters are so.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Hate herble and so cartoonishly bad and like characters of
like creepy old people, you know, like just like and
it's just like I but I just love this short
so much. I thought this this was such a great
introduction to this movie because I was like, Okay, this

(18:47):
is great because it's like it's a very simple concept,
just literally one zomb comes back and fucks with a family,
but somehow it really like has it impact and uh
and and really works really well And is it is? That?

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Was I right? Was that Ed Harris in there? Yes?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yes, that's that that's a young Ed Harris.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
You're like, what the fuck is Ed Harris doing here?
Like it's wild, but.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
I think that this short is it's kind of got
some iconic imagery, you know, like like him coming out
of the gravy.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I want my cake, you know, like I.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
For those of you who are watching the video version
of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Look at that shirt. Yeah he's got it. But yeah,
I know he's coming out with the you know, like it's.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Not it's like, it's not my favorite segment. I like
all the segments, this one's not my favorite. But everyone
always quotes who have seen this movie? It's it's Father's
Day and I got my cake.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I think that this is such an awesome.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Little short, and I immediately, you know, if you need
a zombie, who else are you gonna tap besides like
Romero and Savini, who arguably, like you know, Romero himself
made arguably probably inarguably.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
The most iconic zombie movie of all time and then
did it again with Donna the Dead.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah right, like yeah exactly. It's like he can't you know,
he was like, oh, did I just create the genre?
And then he's just like not really create the genre,
but like blow up the genre and like completely.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
But just the one two punch, just like, what's the
most iconic zombie movie of all time, not a Living Dead.
What's the second most iconic zombie move all time, Donna
the Dead.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah exactly, but I think that, you know, it just
shows his mastery here and and like his style here
is so like just wonderful.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
I think. So it's got style.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
It's so classic in a lot of ways, feels like
you're watching an old movie.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
It's it's right, it pops up more later, but there
is a little bit of it here. I love the
comic bookie like ass backgrounds where they get like real
graphic and they just frame the actors like red and
like a weird pattern, like it's an old comic stuff
that we flashbacks.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Of the of the in with with with the Dad
on Father's Day in the panels.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
And you.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, and it's like it's like in an iris You're like,
this is so if you tried this today without like
the knowledge of like how the format works and like
how the medium works, then it would come off as
so cheesy. It'd be like an angry wholp thing where
you're like, I'll come on, stop it.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't have to, you know, Like
but at the same time, I'm a one of my
like favorite video games of all time and I and
and it's just like one of my favorite like styles
was Comics Zone on Sega Genesis. That shit fucking hit

(22:00):
that still still hits.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
It's a pain in the ass game I've actually I've
actually never beaten that. I should like go back and
actually beat it. Yeah, it's like, but it's but and
games like that if like taking advantage of that medium
to like really invest you. Because even beyond like Comic Zone,
you have the Ultimate Spider Man Game, which is straight
off the page of like Mark Bagley and Brian Vendis,

(22:26):
which is why I've always argued that that was the
best Spider Man game until the Insomnia game got made,
all right, because it's like the Spider Man two movie game,
but more polished and less padding and a lot more
comic bookie. And even beyond that, there's also the original. Yeah,

(22:46):
the Neversaw game is a lot of fun too. Yeah.
I played that again for the first time in years,
like earlier this year. I'm like, yeah, this is still
great good. But even beyond that, there's also thirteen, which
was adapted from like a French espionage comic, which I
so have a copy of behind me, and that also
took advantage of like the cell shading style and using
comic book panels as like transition and framing.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Interesting. Okay, I don't know if I've seen that one.
I'll have to check it out, but I I do.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
I think this Father's Day is one has a lot
of iconic imagery in it. I think that that's what
makes it so strong, you know, like it's like it's
not the story isn't a lot of impact, it's what's
happening in it that yeah, and you're like, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
But then, uh, we were talking about two already. We
were already.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, The Lonesome Death of Jordi Vrel is.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
That like, you know Stephen King, you know, he's right
in the movie, you know, he's guys kid in the movie.
He puts himself in the second story as the main
character there, and he you know, eats the scenery.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
But like, at the same.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Time, it's kind of the one of the most like
bleak ending of all of these, and in kind of
an amazing way, you know, like it's one of those
where you're like feeling like it's all a joke until
the end.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Of Yeah, it's pretty comedic, and then it ends just
so just nihilistically.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, you're just like Jesus Christ, which feels so king,
you know, like like you're like, oh, it's so bad.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
And you know, like if there's like, if there's like
one quote I probably hear the most from this movie,
it's meteor shit, medior shit.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, right, shit, I fucking love it.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I'm pretty sure that's actually because when I do the
thirty Movies in October with my buddy Alex, I always
give him like fake names for each movie so he
doesn't know what we're watching. I'm pretty sure when we
did Creep Show years ago, I called it meteor shit.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
That's so good.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
The uh, the thing I I I the only thing
I didn't like about this but also kind of made
it funny was all the weird like daydreaming that the
Stephen King.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Character was doing, going cross eyed and like a nice
like wavy fade to like him imagining like him getting
rich off this meteor.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
But then I really liked at you know, at the end,
when he's having like the kind of like horrific flashbacks.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I mean, you know, you know day dreams about uh,
you know.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
The doctor whipping out the cleaver to cut off his arm,
you know, like it's kind of like it goes all
horror like, you know, it goes all like classic horror
Doctor Phil like horror movie, and you're just like all right, okay,
like okay, I'm seeing you know, like what's happening.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
And then again it's super dark and you're just like
Jesus Christ like. But it also.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Might be what saves that short is you're kind of like, okay,
Stephen King's hamming it up.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
You know, it's kind of.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
You can see you can see the you can see
the enery between his teeth. He's eating it up so much,
but the.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Effects are good and you're kind of like okay, okay.
And then like it ends with that with him blowing
his brains out, and you're just like.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Ah, not only like blowing his brains out, but like
the vegetation like spreading elsewhere to like affect other people,
just like, well, there goes the world.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
There goes the world, there goes there goes I thought
that was that was pretty great, all right, So what's
number three?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
What's it that's something that tied you over? That's the
one with Leslie Nielsen and Ted Danson this is.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
The second time, second movie I've watched in twenty four
Hours where Leslie Nissan is playing a very straight character
and it's thrown me the fuck off man. Well, that's
the right night, that's the so serious and prom night.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
And that's the ironic thing. Like people people associate him with,
like the Airplane movies and the Naked Gun, et cetera.
He was like a straight man actor before those movies.
That's what he was casted as. Like doing those movies
was actually against type for him, but he became so
popular off of that that him playing straight again became
against type for him again in the opposite way.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well, he's such like a funny guy, you know, Like, yeah,
that's a wild part is like you know, like because
even if you're behind the scenes. They said he had
a fart machine with him, and he would, like right
before they would say action, he would always set off
the fart machine just to like get everybody to laugh
right before they.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
But also, if you notice, at least if we're talking
the original Airplane, part of the humor with him is
that he is playing it completely straight. At least an airplane.
You get to stuff like Naked Gun. He's like a
leaning into the joke. But with Airplane, it's funny because
he's taking all this ridiculous stuff so seriously and that's
the joke.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, I agree, but it is wild, I feel like to.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
And he's and he's fucking scary in this.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, yeah, he is scary in this.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
This is a this is a wild short, like it
ends as comic bookie as possible, but it is a
wild short because we don't you don't know why he's
really doing this to these two, right, like you don't.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Really well, you know, the idea is that like ted
Danson's character and ted Danson's character had an affair with
his wife.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
That okay, that's ted.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Danson his character like works under him, had an affair
with his wife and seems like ended up like leaving
it for him, and this is just him exacting vengeance
for it.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah okay.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Because I was just like, this is so straight because
I didn't catch that when I was watching, and I
was just like, I was just like, so he was
like he's threatening Rebecca right from the get go, and
I didn't get that Rebecca was his wife before.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
You know, like I didn't, I don't know, you know,
like I don't know why I didn't pick up on that,
but like, I was.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Just like, gee the whole time, I was just like
Jesus Christ, he barely has any motivation for this crazy shit.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
But no, there's there's a motivation there.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
But I like him.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
I like it as an immediate contrast to like the
segment preceding this, that this is so grounded, because they're like, Okay,
we went from like man slowly turning into a plant
to just like straight up infidelity and like very and
like specific vengeance. Were like it's one of those things
where like you almost only you almost fools you into

(29:21):
thinking's like, okay, maybe there just won't be a supernatural
element of this one. Maybe this will just be just
straight up like some serial killer shit, right.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
And that's why it feels like because at first it's
just I feel like a very Stephen King horror short
you know, like I've read a lot of short stories
by Stephen King. I've read most of his short story collections.
I mean there's a couple.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Of missing but well, he never stops writing. You'll never
finish reading Stephen King. You'll never be caught up.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
He writes. He writes fast than I can read.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Him, but they it's like I I there is this
kind of like like genre he does where it's just
like a sadistic kill, you know, like and you're just
like and like, but he kind of turns it around
to make a comic bookie here by being like sadistic guill.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
But it's also like uh water zombie.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, but it's also so simple at the start, which
is nice and kind of just makes it scarier. It
reminds me in the sense that like Kujo has the
element of just like ooh, the dog got infected by
a bat. But even even if it didn't have that,
you could still have a movie about just a mother
and her child stuck in a car and dealing with
like a rabid dog, right, And that's so simple, but

(30:37):
you can carry an entire story with that exactly.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
And I feel like that's you know, what makes Stephen
Kink kind of a genius, you know, like as he
does that, Like yes, I feel like you can nitpick
a lot of Stephen king stuff and like you might
not just buy into.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
What he's doing, but like if you do, you know,
like I feel.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Like sometimes sometimes it is just vibes. Don't try to
think about the actual logic of it too hard. He
certainly wasn't in the early days. He was too coked
up to to coked up.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
He says, he doesn't remember writing Carrie, and I think
that's the wildest ship, Like.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, I mean that was you. Yeah, that was that
was like super early in his career though, That's the thing,
And that was that was like all coke. So he's
like snorted off. He snorted a lot of those early memories.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Away fucking insane.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
But then they I I feel like there's not I feel.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Like there's basically just Leslie Nelson like fucking being methodical.
And I love the little camera setups and how slow
this short is a little bit, you know, like it's
just like him taking his time and he's at home, yeah,
kind of waiting for the other beat for a bit,
you know, like is he gonna go back to denim
or is he just gonna watch them drown?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
But like the inevitability of it too is like so scary.
How it's just like you have no cantrol over this.
This is such a simple thing that if anyone else
is here, I could easily get out of it. Just
like just I'm just gonna bury you up to your
head and watch the tide come in to watch you drown.
Like that is so specific and slow and something to save.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Or you're like, geez, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
And man loves the you see the quality of that picture.
He loves the quality of his picture, which is so
so funny to think about like that at day and age.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Thinking about the quality of picture, You're.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Like, this baby can reach a whole three sixty p
my friend, Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Not even dude, Yeah, it was one forty something. Stupid.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
It's ridiculous, you know, like you're like, what the fuck
are we talking about here? But I do think that
that this is kind of just like a simple, effectively
chilling h short, and then it like kind of goes
cock book at the end, you know, like but overall
it's very chilling.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
It's sort of it's sort of like the it's kind
of in that way the per I had already mentioned.
This has a good contrast, but it's kind of the
perfect like antithesis to the to the previous short because
it has the opposite tone. That one started comedic and
ends very bleak, and this one starts very bleaking and
super comedic. I can hold my breath for a long

(33:17):
time with like this please frame and everything, just the
shot even before we get to Leslie Nielsen doing it.
The shot of ted Dance's head under the water is
so silly but it worked.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Right, It's wild. You're like, what the And with the
red light behind it, You're like, what Biden? That was
also ted dansing and.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
And that was also just like Ed Harris that was
also pretty early in ted Danson's career too.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
You can kind of tell I feel like, you know,
he's not he's not totally comfortable, you know, like, but
he's he is still great, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Uh, And I do like this short. So after that.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
This one is the Crate the Create, So.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I feel like this a really interesting one.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
This is wild, like cause it's you don't know, for
well designed monster, but it's still somehow works really Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
And the thing I liked about this one was that
you kind of could never really guess where it was
going to go based on how it started. Yeah, because
it starts like and it's not even the case of like,
oh it started kind of lighthearted and then gets dark.
Just given the way the premise starts, you have no
ideas like what is this even going to end up being?
Is it gonna be about this husband just getting fed

(34:35):
up with his wife and just murdering her for real
instead of just imagining it, and then we just bring
in this crate with a monster. You're like, okay, shit,
all right, I'm going.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
For it all together.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
You're just like, all right, I guess this does kind
of all fit together.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
You're like, this is so very strange.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
But I think as far as like the design of Fluffy,
which is his name, as far according to Tom Savini, yes,
I think I think it's the body that's the problem
because it just looks like like it just looks like
a white ape suit. But I think the actual like
face is cool, and like the animatronic and puppetry there
is cool. And it was also something different for Tom

(35:14):
Savini because he wasn't really known for designing creatures. He
was more on just like the human body stuff. He
was a Vietnam like vet. He was a war photographer,
so like he knows he's seen gore up close.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
That's how that's why he was so good at it.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
During his career, He's like, oh, you're gonna take inspiration somewhere,
write and create what you know, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
But fuck but yes, I don't.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
But Jesus with Fluffy, that was something different. He hadn't
really tackled before. And I think I can't remember who
he had contacted. This was also brought up and in
Search of Darkness because I'm watching the second one right now.
In the background, he had talked about how I think
he had either called Stan Winston or Rick Baker. I
think it was Stan Winston and he's just like, oh,

(35:56):
I just talked to him over the phone, and he
taught me how to do a creature like this, and
I just kind of figured it out.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
That's cool, Yeah, he says, for like an hour and
a half or something like that, which is kind of fun,
you know, like it's kind of cool, little like masters
lining up to create something. Hm.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
And I think that it's it's kind of yeah. Right.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
You don't know where this short is going, and it
is all over the place because it's just like this
man fantasizing killing his obnoxious wife.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Very obnoxious wife, very well played and hammed up by
Adrian Barbo, who you've seen in like a bunch of movies.
Escape from New York, the original Wes Craven swan thing.
She's Catwoman and Pat Man. They animated serious, really funny.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
That's so funny.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
I thought I kind of like recognized her voice, so
it was just like, what is happening?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah? But she she I felt she was also in
the fog.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yes, I think. I think.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I think she was married to John Carpenter at one point,
like for a bit.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Okay, that makes sense, that makes sense. But uh, you know,
like they did. They do such a.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Good job of being like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
You know, like every time she's like yelling at him,
and like me, you're just like, oh my god. You know,
Like so when he's like fantasizing about killing her, you're
just like you're like, eh, like.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
You every man has this breaking point.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, You're like he's gonna be pushed too.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Fun But then, like I it's kind of like an
unpredictable thing because then you have the whole thing with
the crate, which you're just like, what the fuck is
gonna be inside this crate and for it to be
like a giant thing instead of just like I thought
it was gonna be like a create monster and it's somehow.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Some like basket case shit.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, like that's what I thought it was gonna be
like coming out of the basket the whole time, but no, it.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Was It's just like this full sized creature like huh okay.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
All right, okay, and that is just like No, I
like the stairs. I like I like the stairs. I
like being underneath the stairs. You can bring things to
me and I'll eat them. But I'm I'm gonna be
behind the stairs.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
But like you know, I'm an introvert, I understand.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
And uh, but.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Like for it to just go on it's rampage a
little bit, you know, right at the beginning is uh
is pretty is pretty crazy. And then for the guy
to change the like clean up the rampage so that
his wife doesn't freak out, just to kill her with
the with the crape monster is wild.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Every time.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
I'm just like, what like this is I was just
like this is this is I was like at the
same time, I was just like.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
This is where this was leading.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I like, you know, but it's like wild that it
all kind of came together. You're just like, this is
this is crazy? And then he hides it and he's like, ah,
a friend, we are, you know, like he kind of
like keeps his eye on his friend. Yeah, forever after that,
you know, like, which is wild.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Too, Like, it is definitely like the most the hardest
to guess, although for this segment, I do also think
it's the one that maybe goes on a little long.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yes, I do think that there's there's I think.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
That that middle bit we're like we're building up to,
like bringing his wife over and stuff like kind of
goes on forever. Yes, I feel like the bit would
like the letter and the gossip and her like trying
to like lead her in, and even even the bit
where he's like trying to get her close to the
crate goes on for like a minute. You're like, just
push her into and get it over with.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
We know where this is going.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
It's kind of like the wasting time of Leslie Nelson
in the last one was creepy, but that wasting time here, you're, yeah,
get the fuck to it, you.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Know, please just do it. You know, I want to
see more of.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
This creature, you know, You're like, which they just refer
to it as a Tasmanian devil at some point, and
I'm like, I guess that's what supposed to be, like
I'm not exactly sure.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
What it's definitely not I've seen what Tasmanian devils look.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Like Christ exactly. That's not close.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
There's a reason they call them devils though you can
hear them at night. They make frightening noises. I'm like, oh,
that's why they call them devils. There must have been
motherfuckers who just build whole folklores about these bass.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
They're like fuck that. Yeah, it's one of those things that.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Like fisher cats, you know what they They scream and
they sound like screaming children in the woods, and you're like, nope.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
People thought like the New England woods were fucking haunted
and when we were young, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Back when the nation was young, they're just like Jesus
Christ's just like like there's whailing children in the woods.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
And you're just like, day there be witches, boys, stay
out of the woods.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
You're no wonder. Salem was like very much feeling haunted.
They were just here screaming in the woods at all time. Uh.
But besides the point, I do think that, yeah, they
waste some time here. It could get to it faster,
it could move at a quicker pace. But it is
a fun creature design. It's a fun story. It's unpredictable.

(41:00):
The effect, the like kill effects are really cool too.
I feel like Charlie getting ripped apart was was good.
I was like, I was like, that was a good
effect was also.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I also just love seeing old ass crates like that
because it just thinks, it just thinks about how readily available,
like it was shipping.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
And she was like, we we used to create things,
you know, Yeah, we used to be a proper country.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
We used to create things.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
We used to create things. We used to keep that
ship secure when we sent it out. Seriously, nowadays they
put nowadays, say'd fucking put Fluffy in a giant Manila envelope, you.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Know, right, like the Amazon box comes, it's.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Got inside and it's got like no padding in it,
so it's just rustling inside the whole time.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Oh god, damn it. Ah.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
But yeah, seriously, we don't create things anymore. Let's create
things again. Let's bring creating things back.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Let's the crowbars there for a reason, for a reason.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Let's use it, uh, not just to kill robins, you know,
used open crates.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
I do think it's kind of like, thank god, that's
not the last short. You know, yes, I do think that,
you know, like, okay, let's let's end it with a
the bang, which.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Is my favorite one, like the last one is my favorite.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yes, it's pretty great. They're creeping on you. What's this
one called?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, you got it. They're creeping on you.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
They're creeping on you.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Now, this one is It's funny because they even say
in behind the scenes that it was written as.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
A lush, carpeted.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Apartment and then they changed it to because they that
would be too hard to have bugs in, too like
to this aesthetically like bland, like perfectly nothing apartment.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Almost almost sci fi futuristic, almost.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Sci fi futurist.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, I thought they were trying to shoot for sci
fi is a little bit. I was just like, this
is wild it but you know, a guy who's afraid
of germs getting sworn by bugs.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
A rich dickhead obviously the head of a big company
who's afraid of germs and treats everyone around him like shit.
It was just insulated himself away from the world and
is dealing with a pest problem.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
It's it's it's a simple concept that you know, is
just genuinely creepy.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
And you know you don't like, you know, looking at
out in bugs and like, I feel like it. It
does a great.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Job escalating and played by good old E. G. Marshall,
who's like an industry vet at that point in time.
He's like in twelve Angry Man and the like exactly,
and he's so good at playing a fucking prick.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
He's so good. I feel like he's fantastic in this role.
He really sells it. Like, and there's a lot of
real bugs there. Oh god, I wouldn't have done that.
I couldn't have shot it.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
So yeah, I fucking hate roaches, man. I've dealt with
roaches before, you know, I've lived in many places. It sucks.
That amount of roaches is just frightening. And it's so simple,
just like, ah, just a bunch of bugs.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
And you know what's the worst thing. One of the
worst things about roaches. You know, they're all they're terrible.
But then the natural predator of cockroaches is those giant centipedes, those.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Like, yeah, the ones that, yeah, the ones that freak
you out, yeah, with.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
The fuck tons of legs and then they're all like spiny,
like straight.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Up the H. G.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Wells fucking created those fucking bugs, but like they are
Jesus Christ. You're just like, great, I got one horrifying
bug cockroaches, and then you.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Got there and then it attracts the other one.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
You're like, fuck that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
But yeah, so there were so many live actual cockroaches
because you know, we didn't have CJ to just do
a bunch of cockroaches back, because we just used a
bunch of real cockroaches. And of course, when you're using
that much, which is a very excessive amount, by the
time you get to the end of the segment, it's
kind of hard to wrangle all those So of course,
you know, not all of them got gathered up. And

(45:03):
to this day, the warehouse in which they shot that
segment in, which is a completely different building for a
different purpose, now still has a roach problem because of that.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Oh my god, of course of course they do. They
couldn't get rid of them all. That's fucked up. That's
fucked up.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
That's wild, though, And that's the thing is I feel
it feels so authentic and like real, and like you
could do that segment today a lot.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Cheaper and it just would work as yeah as.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
This does, like it being real actual roaches just like
makes it all the grosser, the like it ending up
in his food and then being everywhere and crawling out
of his body at the end.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
It just like, ah god, I kind of lookin crawling
out of the body at the end. I was just like,
it's one of those reactions where I just go, yep, yep, yep,
they're doing that, you know, And.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
It's and it's like almost a leap because it's again
with one of those things where it's been pretty grounded
up to that point, but it's so visceral and gross
and almost maybe acts as like a metaphor because this
whole thing, yes, well not he's rotten explicitly supernatural, sort
of has that like metaphoric of just like they're creeping
on you, you'll be eaten away in the same way

(46:12):
that you've eaten people.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yes exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
And I think that that's I think that's what works
so well about this is that it's not supernatural, but
it kind.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Of is it kind of like a vengeance, yeah, subtly yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
And I and you know, there's no direct cause because
there is a ton of people that do hate him,
but that you know, like there's nobody they're they're no,
they're not alluding to somebody controlling the fucking bugs, you know,
like they're just like, no, these bugs have come to
kill this fucking even man.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
You know, like they're just like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
But I feel like that does it's it's uh, you know,
a great final short.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I feel like it really works well.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Uh and you know it shows strong acting, great practical
effects like real strong aesthetic and cinematography.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Uh, and then ends with the fun.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
The garbage man like literally going through the cock books seeing.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Of course one of them is Tom Savini.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah right, once times they can't hear anybody. What do
you say, it's a comic book.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Oh, I like them.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
They I love that they say that, oh the voodoo
doll has been pulled out, and then they cut over
to the sun used the voodoo doll.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
The dad just like the things one of those great
just like the great thing, one of those things you
have to explain to like children, just like you see kids.
There were these things in magazines where you would like
pull out like a little perforated card that you would
have to send for to be sent the thing.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, that's that's not they're like and sometimes it would
take it, and sometimes things would take longer than a
week to show up right, sometimes like months, you know,
order something in months years.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Do you imagine trying to fucking sell a hit on
like the Kenner Star Wars thing today where it is
just like these aren't made yet, these are here's like
a voucher. You will get them some point, to.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Be fair, that's a fucking pre order and kids are
doing that like les true. It's it's like so Kenner
was just the beginning, you know, being like we haven't
made it yet, but.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Just the archaic form of a pre order.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yeah, right, very archaic. But but he.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Gets the voodoo doll ends up like stabbing it to
like punish his dad.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
It's like that's the thing is like there's some dark humor,
there's some fun. It's like there's it's really like sad time.
It's a B movie, but in the best way possible.
With Creep Show, and you can see why it did
so well in theaters, you know, like the great cast
and the just the absolutely starts to.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Team of Can spawned two sequels and a TV show
a TV show. Creep Show two is not as good,
but there is one doesn't one. It doesn't have Romero
or King, so that's first mistake I think. No, I
think it still has Romero a little bit, definitely doesn't
have King, it still has Tom Savini. There's not as

(49:16):
many shorts. It's like shortened. I think there's only it's
like it's only like three or four this time. Yeah,
it's not as strong. The in between segments are way
worse because they go for like more.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Of a creep Show three, but it's rated so fucking yes.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Creep Show three was a case where like, it has
nothing to do with the first two. It was a
case of it seemed like they just wanted to make
something else and you just called it creep Show three.
They're just like, what IP do we have that we
can use and we'll just fast track a creep Show three.
Why not just forget it exists?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Any producer on here that actually owns.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yeah, creep show. It was one of those things where
they were just trying to cash in on the name
really fast.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Unless it was I mean, there's this Robert Franklin Dolson.
He's the producer also on creep Show the TV show now.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
But like the show I've only seen like the same
I've only seen most of the first season. I like,
watch it here and there. It's pretty good. It works.
Episodes can be hit or missed sometimes, but it works
for the format. And sometimes they'll bring on people who
were like in the like original movie on for stuff

(50:38):
like Adrian Barbo's like in one of the episodes in
the first season.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Oh but this.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Guy's a weird producer though, because he did Creep so
he's doing things that George A.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Romero, you know, probably wouldn't have done.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
He did a movie called Museum of the Dead, day
one called Day of the Dead, two Continguum Contagium, Creep
Show three, and then two thousand and eights Day of
the Dead, which is I know, very bad.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
So he's just the like riding the Romero's coattails guy.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, there's another one called Day of the Dead Bloodline,
and then he's and then he did the TV show
Day of the Dead in twenty twenty one, and he's
the executive producer of the Creepshow television show. So he's
kind of just like weirdly riding his coat tails.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I need to know more about this guy.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
You don't not right, You're just like, yeah, just like
you're like, how did this guy do this?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Where?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
But the point is creep Show two three, don't worry
about two not as good, almost worth the price of
admission just for one of the segments on there. There's
one segment on Creep Shows who that's really fucking good.
The other two not bad, but it's just not a
strong overall. The in betweens are pretty rough because they

(51:57):
go for like more of an animated film thing, and
it looks really bad.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Okay, because like the animated titles worked fine here, and
it's just like this, that's cool, that's fun, you know,
like but yeah, I know what you mean. Now let's
move on to our second half of this show. We
have Trick or Treat, which you know, I feel like
is another kind of star studded cast.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yes, the Michael Doherty one, not to be confused with
Trick or Treat, the like rock Star one, the like
the like metal band fucking horror one from the eighties.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yes, yes, that that can be confused.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
But I'm sure there are a million horror movies called
Trick or Treat, so you've got to be specific.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
This is written and directed by Michael Doherty, so you know,
like that's that's pretty fucking cool. And he is, you know,
the the the writer director of Crumpus and Godzilla versus Calm,
I mean no, Godzilla, King of the Monsters. Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
He also.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
He was also like he also worked on stuff beforehand,
like the early like Fox X Men movies.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, early writer for Superman Returns and X Men two.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
That's pretty yah, which is that? Which is definitely why
you have Anna pack winning Brian Cox on this.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yeah, right, you're just like that that makes a little
bit more sense.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Uh yeah, And Dylan Baker, who's fantastic and everything. You're
just like, it's it's it's a pretty star studed cast.
You definitely recognize people when you're watching it. You're just like, oh, okay,
now this this one is one of those ones that
I feel like like a weird amount of people clung

(53:46):
onto it, you know, like when it came out and
we're just like, this is this is the one of
the best horror movies ever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I definitely people culted to this fast.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, But I feel like I didn't feel like the
reverber of that until like years after it was already
a thing, because I had never watched it until like
I want to say, like half a decade ago. It
was like around the time I had moved back to
Western mass Yeah, and I'd like heard the hype around it.
I knew people liked it. I was just starting to
collect pops at that point, so I would see like
the Sam pop everywhere and people just having like Sam merchandise.

(54:20):
I'm like, what is the hype with this movie?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
And then I finally watched it and liked it. But
it is interesting just how hard the cult following is.
But I do sort of get it in terms of
vibes because one, as we've discussed, horror anthologies are super
inconsistent and it's tough to have one where it's consistently
good throughout and this is one of those. But also,
this is the most Halloween film to like ever Halloween.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Yes, I feel like that is the best description of
this is this is the most Halloween film to ever Halloween.
It's like, yes, there's a movie called Halloween, but like
this is Halloween themed, Halloween takes place on Halloween, Like
it is all about Halloween's stories.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
It is it is the like the Halloween movie, you know,
like it really.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Is, uh, you know, and and the thing is it
is able to succeed in being that instead of just
being like, oh, yeah, this is the one we got,
you know, like you're like, no, no, this is this
is good ship, you know, like this this is.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Some damn good ship. So let's let's go through the
shorts again.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
On Yeah, you have the opening scene with like the
wife and the husband who like blows out the jack lanterns,
et cetera, and it's like, don't blow it up. So
it's like, don't blow it up before midnight. There are
rules to like all Hallows.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Rules, which I like the kind of like setting the
tone right away of like telling stories. And that's what
Halloween really is about, is about sharing stories, you know,
like you know, yes, it's about candy, you know, like
a sugar treat, but like, yes, it's about sharing.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Stories and creepy stories, you know.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Like and I think they kind of established that right
from the beginning, and I think that that's kind of
fun and and and really rooted to what this movie
is truly about.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Mm hm. So wife is then murdered because don't blow
out the jack.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Of lanterns, doy.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Then we get a very also kind of a kind
of a comic bookie like opening credit sequence.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I think yeah, it's paying its respects
to creep show a little bit there, being like being like, yes,
this is another comic book in a way, you know,
like where stories you know, and you're like okay.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
And then the first segment is the uh, the Dylan
Baker one with the principle.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yes, which is.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Pretty fucking creepy, you know, like a pretty fucking creepy story.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
First off, Dylan Baker is great.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I feel like he is he sells this extra like
he just sells this. There's no other way to say it,
because they I don't think this short would have worked
without how like wholesome he looks and can sound so
creepy at the same time, you know, you're just like Jesus.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
It's also like constantly turning on itself where it's just
like this guy just kind of a creepy asshole, and
then he's just like, Okay, he's actually a murderer. He
fed a kid candy with razor blades, the classic, like classic,
the classic, like urban legend. Check your candy, there will
be razor blades in it.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
You're like, who would do that? You're like he did it.
He did it.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
You know, I knew a guy's I knew a guy's
cousin's sister, mailman who did it. You're just like it
was totally a thing, which.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Is which is true, like statistically that it's it's literally
like never happened.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
You know, it's just literal like witch hunt bullshit, like
you know, but.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Because it is, all of those things were like, it's
a fucking razor blade, it'd be pretty fucking conspicuous, especially
especially these days with like everything's bite sized, so you
can't get that ship in there and hide it.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Well.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
They try to act like you could just be like,
oh yeah, they would pushed through the blade right into
the rapper and you wouldn't see it, and you're like,
I would notice a rapper being open from a blade
being pushed through it, like you know, like it would
definitely be like that candy is open, you know, like
you know, but you know, but I guess it's the point,
you know, yeah, being like, oh it's open, I should

(58:19):
not eat it, but you know, like that's that's kind
of the fun of the act.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I don't actually think it's the razor blade in the can.
I think he actually didn't he lace the candy with
cyanide something? I think it was that. I think it
was that instead of the razor blades. It's been a bit,
but the point is like, it's like, okay, he just
killed a kid. Now it's like this sort of comedy
of errors for him to like bury it and not
be caught by his weird nosy. There's neighbor played by

(58:47):
Brian Cox. He's just like, ah fuck, it just old isolated,
old man who hates everything and everyone. And then we
start too, and then we realize he has a son,
and you're like, oh, man, is he gonna kill his
kid too?

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Yeah? Right, You're just like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
And then it's like, I want to carve the jacket lantern, Dad,
I want to carve the jacket lantern. And then they
end up carving the kid ye that he had just killed.
It's just like, oh, all right, all right, I see
I see someone's grooming his successor. But I love but
I love that. I love that turn, Yes I do.

(59:24):
Plus I always I love a horror movie that'll just
have the balls to kill a kid.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel like it's one of
those things that I watch Papa Meat on on on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
I don't know if you've ever watched him.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
He does like Meat Canyon as his animations, but he's
got a channel called Papa Meat. But he has this
whole thing where he talks about like, not enough movies
have the balls do child murder? And you know what
child murder is is when you do it, you're like,
you've got balls, so yeah, whatever, whenever it happens, you're like, Okay,
there you go.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Because it's such easy steaks to just put a kid.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
In there for like fake steaks. You're like, I know
the kids gonna be fine. You're just using it to
like drum up the suspense, but I know you won't
actually have the balls. And then when they do have
the balls, you're like, okay, good. It actually makes things
feel dangerous now because anything can happen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yes, exactly. It doesn't feel like all of a sudden
plot armor has.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Entered the room.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
And plus and plus, let's be honest, people are weird,
So yes, people, people would treat the dog dying as
worse than a kid dying anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
So it's true. It's so true, and that's it, and
that's it. He said.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Meanwhile, We're very flippid about killing cats in horror movies.
So many dead cats and horror movies. We don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
It's like one of the things that a lot of
people don't like hocus Pocus just because of when he
gets run over by the car and then he like
gets back up afterward, because they didn't like the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Way he inflates. I've heard people be.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Like like that. I'm like, that's very fair, Like that
is is very.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Tough and up somehow. But yeah, that's the first segment.
The second one is the Halloween school bus massacre. Yes,
with the kids like actually going around like trick or treating.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I love this one because it is so like a story.
You hear kids passing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Down to each other sort of thing and like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
And it like comes across as as as a great
set that they're using for this too. I feel like
the set they use for this short is extremely well
made and just like the elevator that they go down to,
like check it out, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I love I love an old creepy elevator, old school elevator.
Old school elevators are like so cool. It's just like
a technical marvel but also frightening.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
You're just like Jesus Christ. But yeah, I feel like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
It's it's one of those like shorts that like feels
real because it feels like something that would be passed
from kid to kids.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
And it also feels like it also feels like the
dark version of a story you would see like on TV.
Like the vibe of it is like a Halloween TV
special that you would see, yes, but it's like the actual,
like dark rated R version of that. Like you've had
a million specials like that where it's about a bunch
of kids actually trick or treating talking about spooky stories,
except this is actually fucked up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
I always felt like it was the better use of
it was, like, you know, not a nightmare in elbms
Street Too tries to use a bus several times to
be scary, and I feel like they finally are able
to accomplish that in this movie instead of yeah that
that movie just just it makes me laugh whether they
do it, you know, like it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
There's a lot of things in elm Street Too that
make me laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
But it was it was, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
It was fun to watch, which, by the way, I
when I meant to talk to you about it was
so funny. We went and saw Nightmare and Elm Street.
We saw Friday the thirteenth, the Nightmare and Elm Street
at Chunky's Uh in Manchester and which is like, you know,
you can eat and you sit in nice chairs while
you watch movies, and so it kind of has like

(01:03:01):
this party atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
So people are like fun and they.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
React to the movies more and especially for Nimary Elm Street,
which I never thought the mom was so funny, you know,
like I never like really thought about how ridiculous the
mom was and the original Nightmare and el Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
She is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
She is kind of dryly funny and just as like
weathered and over.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
It was roaring with every line of hers at the
end of the like the second half of the movie,
at when she's like revealing that she killed Freddie, you know,
like you're just like holy fuck, you know, like it's
just like it was one of those things that like
I've just always thought like, yeah, you know whatever, like
horror movie when watching it by myself, but then like
to watch it with an audience, everyone's just.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Dying laughing because Mom's drunk and being like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Yeah, I killed them, you know, like I did it
not do it again. I'm mommy protected, you know, like
and you're just like, what the fuck is happening?

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
You know, like, yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Didn't want to tell you, but there was a child
murderer in our neighborhood killed a bunch of our kids.
It's implied that, like, it's implied that we might have
had kids before you. You might have actually had siblings
that you don't know about anymore. He's like, but and
uh so we we did a mob justice.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Justice And it was so funny to see people like
like cracking up at her like the second half of
the movie, and you're just like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I sort of had that watching. I had just I've
just seen No Sfaratu recently. I got to see it
at Somerville Theater, presented by the New England Film Orchestra
doing a live score for it. Super good, Love that ship.
The only other time I've done that is with Suspiria,
where like the actual band Goblin who did the music
for it, fucking performed the score live like that. It's

(01:04:50):
it's the dopest shit. It's way cooler than like three
D or like some forty X shaky chair shit, like
a live Orchestra is dope, and just watching that movie
again and just having people crack up because you know,
it's an old, silent movie, so by today's standards, it's
pretty silly. But just like cracking up at like just.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
The just this slow moving forward, like the slow moving forward,
or just how not Jonathan Harker is just so oblivious
to everything going around, just like huh vampires, Huh, how
silly tosses the book away?

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
It is pretty funny when you think about it, you're
just like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Or just like count Orlock having the picture of his
wife and just being like and then cut cut to
dialogue box your wife has a lovely neck, and her
just being like, what an odd thing to say?

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Well, it's an odd thing to say. Alright, moving on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
But you know, an audience, an audience experience is unmatched.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
It really is. And that's why I'm so happy that
they were doing these is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
I was just like, it is unmatched with a group
of like fans too, you know, like that really that
really like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Drives even if you've seen the movie before.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Yeah, exactly, it's like how many times have I seen
the original five at thirteenth And it's like but like
it was great to see it with an audience too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yeah, like it was, it was really great.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
You can feel the vibes even if you don't hear
like audible, like you know, I clapped, I laugh. You
can still feel like the mood of everyone even if
it's quiet, like I felt that when I saw the
Before trilogy at the Coolidge Corner. I'm like, Okay, I
can just feel that there's a lot of people around
me who haven't seen these before.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
And I feel like that's the appeal of Marvel movies
and reason why people like to go on the opening weekend,
you know, is all the fans are there together and
they're all reacting together to the film.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yeah it's happening, And that's one of the things like
you can change, you know, like it. It's just like
you can you can criticize, say something like Endgame until
you're blue in the face. But look, man, we were
all there losing our fucking goddamn minds when when Cap
got Mule near finallyas you're like, well, don't act like
you weren't. Don't act like you weren't sobbing and sobbing

(01:07:07):
and like punching the punching your partner's arm like a
But back to the point, UH for trick or treat.
The next one after that is, well, we didn't really
get into like more of the plot for the second
one yet actually because we talked about like the basic
gist of it, kids going trick or treating. They talk

(01:07:27):
about the urban legend of Halloween school bus massacre. Were
like mentally disabled children. The parents have mentally disabled children,
bribe their bribe the bus driver to get rid of them.
You're like, fuck, what the hell.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Fucking insane?

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
And then like and then the uh bus is accidentally
driven off road and into a quarry because of course,
of course you know, I've never actually seen like a quarry.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
I was I was saying, that is that like that
is such a new England thing, and it's how you know,
like you know, like some things are written by like
Stephen King or guys from Massachusetts, like Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
I think Michdory's a Massachusetts guy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Well not even that. It's also like just an easy
TV thing, you know how many like Doctor Who episodes
or like Tokusatsu shows like Super Sentai and Power Rangers.
Just like well, we got to find a quarry to
fight in.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
It's you know, like it is it is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
It's one of those things that they're they're they're around,
They're not that commonplace that like, you know, every fucking
X Files episode that ends with them in a quarry,
You're like, how do they keep finding these bitches?

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Is this the same one? Are you just shooting? Are
you just clever to shooting around it you find you
found the hundredth angle for this quarry? Are you just
shooting in every quarry in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Oh, the quarry is the country. Every quarry is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
But kids they drive off the cliff and kids end
up drowning and no one ever found their survivors.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
But then the kids go down to the quarry taking
a creepy elevator being like this story is in real.
Will go down and we'll see there's no bus down
there and or in like and that's uh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
They get down there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
And what I'm trying of what like, they start coming
out of the bus.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
I can't remember what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah, they're like it's like the it's like the creep
show things like oh bo he drown zombies. They're water zombies.
They start surfacing and the girl in the group abandons
the others to their deaths because they played a prank
on her, right, that was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Kind of epic. That was pretty That was pretty pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Yeah, and she takes the and she takes the jack
lanterns with her because they had like originally came to
leave those as like a tribute to the deceased, which
gets the approval of Sam at the end, because he
confronts her after she leaves them for dead, and it's
just like, good job, good job.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Yeah, we haven't even brought up Sam yet. So, like,
the reason why Sam is so iconic is that he's
so simple. I feel like they did such a great
job of character design there where they took like this
kind of cutesy like horror design, you know, like this
cutesy like oh look, yeah, he's kind of like spooky

(01:10:29):
and cute like and they're just like but so realize,
so well realized in such a horrifying way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
When you see him, you're just.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Like which is which is tough to actualize. But there
is often like a very thin, like imperceptible line between
cute and creepy, and it's sometimes tough to to like
get there because oftentimes people try to make cute things
and it ends up being terrifying looking. Yeah, like it's
such a thin line, such.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
A thin line. It's very it's it's so small.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
It's why I feel like those fuglies are getting popular
again and they're all over Walmart, and shit is those
like dolls that are ugly too, you know, like and
you're just like, yeah, because it's easier to make the
things ugly than it is making cute.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
You know, it's cute, it's tough, Q can very easily
step into creepy. I mean, look at all the things that, like,
we're supposed to be cute for the day that we
find terrifying. Now, Like every time you look like old dolls,
you're like, oh god, as you even have that in your.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
House exactly like Jesus, fuck, you know your your grandma
used to have tons of them, and you're just like, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Get this out of here, Get this the fuck out
of here. But the next segment after that is Surprise Party.
This is the one with the girls.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Yes, this this is one of the most like in
the commercial. I feel like this is the trailer. This
is the most used bit for the trailer because it's
so just like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Oh yeah, you know, teens having a sexy time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
You know, like and you know like classic you know,
like getting brought out to the woods, you know, on
Halloween night to do spooky things and then nope, Andy,
they've been they hoozled the met.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Yeah, the girls, the audience has baited just as much
as the actual characters are. We're just like, look, it's
the hot girls out for a night on the town
and a pack. When's pretty cute, right, You're like, yeah,
just like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
We got you, We got you. She was a monster.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
You fell for it, dumb ass, you'd beaten dude. You're
just like, ah fuck, what what what were we before.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
We watching that? That?

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
That? Uh yeah, Mary was when were we watching we
were watching something where the monster just comes to the
window and in some vampire and the guy just like
opens it up like all right, you know, like and
you're just like, this is why man lived so much
shorter lives. They don't see a floating woman and the
window and be like, ah no, that's a yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I mean that's why that's why the like wood joke
is so apparent.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Yeah, yeah, right, you would like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Just like would it's worth the risk? We all got
to go sometimes. I'm going through that right now watching
The Penguin Fucking With with Kristin Milioti is Sophia Falcone.
Just like, this woman is terrifying and will kill me,
but we all go to go sometime, and I'm gonna
risk at all.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
That's so funny. It's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
But I do think that this is the most marketed
part of the film other than Sam, you know, like
and I, because you know, she's wearing the red riding
hood outfit the whole time, so it is like a
big like metaphor. And I thought that was fun, you know,
like and it's just like so like simple.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
It's simple, and it's I think it works really well,
like you're.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Just yeah right, yeah, it's good to like just bait
the audience and then turn it on its head. And
I also like this segment specifically because it does capture
that like a big Halloween party slash parade, slash huge
get together like I've been to Salem around Halloween. It's
a fucking blast. It's wild. It is a lot like
that segment, and it reminds me of that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Yeah, it's insane, it's a crazy, crazy time. I would
not recommend it to anybody, But it is a crazy,
crazy time good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
To do when you're young. You and I are both
in our thirties, so like we got time for that
sort of tom foolery.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
No more too much, too much moving around too much.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
No, it's the thing is is you'll never do anything
that night. You know, like you'll just be in the streets.
There's no shit to do because everybody's doing everything in town.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Well, I mean there's plenty, it's just you're almost like
spoiled for choice because people will put up like like
little carnival attractions and stuff like that. Sometimes there's like
big dances almost of a parade. They also Salem also
has a bunch of like museums, so those become like
hot attractions around that time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
There is a lot of what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
You aren't getting into a museum that night, you like,
it's just not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
You know, like everyone has the same earlier. If you're
going to go in October, go like earlier in the month.
Like the closer you get to Halloween, the worst it's
gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Yeah, easier, It's insane, but yes that I feel like
you're exactly right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
It kind of captures that you just that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
I like that because I feel like that's there's a
lot to love about Halloween, you know, like you know,
but this is also up everyone gets candy, but like
there's something great about everyone playing pretend together, you know
and just kind of having a good time that has
no direct like religious fucking connotations or something like that.

(01:15:49):
You know, Like I know, so Christians will be like,
well it's and You're just like, no, no, buddy, I'm
here for I'm like, I'm here for the spooky.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
But like come on real, you know, like should you're like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
I mean, wait till you tell them that Christmas is
just you will just redress. So the Christians wouldn't be mad.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
They're like, hear, now that's war on Christmas propaganda. That's
what I hear.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
But I ain't never saying happy Holidays because I'm just
stubborn that way. But I also this is also a
good segment to bring up because it's the one that
really starts to bring like, oh, all these stories are
interconnected in a big way. You get subtle nods before,
like maybe the characters will like bump into like oh,
they just bumped into the characters and that's short, and
we know where this takes place in the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
This movie is is so loved by like a cult
status at like you know, like you know, like at.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
The Spencer's Gifts, like hot topic.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Level of love that this movie gets is it is connected.
And I feel like people feel smart when the things
come together like that, you know, like they know even
though they did no work. It's something where like the
audience feels smart because it came together like and it's

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kind of like that unifying feeling. Is what I think
kind of happens with this movie is that, like Creep
Show doesn't try to connect all stories.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
It's just like, nah, they're five.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Yeah, it has a framing device, but it's still just
like this is specifically stories from this comic book. They
don't really tie together other than the fact that it's
from this comic that this kid was reading. Where it's like, oh,
this all takes place on the same night, depending on
the segment, it's at different points during the night, and
they all connect in some way. It's all just like
reconnecting stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
And I think that's it does a little you know, uh,
you know, it does a little like time shuffling. I
think there's you know, like and I think that's what
why the audience feels smart.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
They like dishappage there, da hoppage there can you even
keep up with it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
And it also like works off.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
It's because the people who thought they were smart, because Inception,
you're just like, no, it's not guys, this isn't deep.
You know, like, this isn't this isn't deep. It's just
you gotta keep up, you know, like just like you know,
like you're just like what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
And the whole like the like first the like first
hour of Inception is all like exposition to be like,
this is what the concept is, this is how it's
gonna work. It's basically a heist movie. Inception is a
heist movie, and the whole point is that setup to
be like, this is how the heist is gonna go
Obviously it's gonna go wrong, but it's just a heist
in the dream space. It ain't that complicated. And they'll

(01:18:28):
get me wrong. It's not a knock against Inception. I
love Inception. It's still my favorite Nolan, but you know,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
But I'm gonna eat a guarantee.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
But this is the one that liked beyond those bro.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Like film guys fell in love and they're like they're like,
you know the time, I like these guys earlier and
I'm look, man, you can't control war, buddy, but all
so calm the fuck down, you know. Like, but also
at the same time, you gotta give credit a good

(01:19:05):
story coming together.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Well you know, it resonates.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
With people, and plus you can't control that, Like, yeah,
no matter even if it attracts the most annoying people,
that's not the movie's fault most of the time. Sometimes
it is sometimes, But this is the big one because
other than just like, oh shit, they just bumped into
those characters, they just bumped Toto those characters. Oh this
ties into like that segment. This is the one where
it's like, oh, this acts as a coda for the

(01:19:31):
principal one, because the principal is the one who is
stalking Anna Paquin's character.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
You're just like she.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
And I think that's I think the connecting stories is
what makes this very strong and why so many people
remember this so fondly, you know, even years later. Yeah,
It's like there's movies like VHS and ABC's a Death
that have not been as memorable even know they try

(01:20:00):
to connect them or they don't try to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Connect yeah, and that's it's it's an inconsistency thing too,
because again, not all of those are good. Like I've
seen I've seen the first two VHS movies, and there
are like some highlights, like the siren bit in the
first VHS is really good. That's probably the best bit
on there, which is why they spun it off into
just its own full movie. H But again, not all

(01:20:24):
of them are good. Someone's just like, eah, so few,
Like I'm like, oh, we got to nail every single
one of these. Each one is important, which is tougher
to do when it's just basically a showcase for different
filmmakers to kind of come together, which is cool in
its own respect, but it's also hard to like keep
a consistent like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Line yeah, yeah, in direction.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
And I feel like that's what makes this so strong
is and and why Creep shows so strong is you
have consistent vision from both of them, you know, like
and putting it all together makes trigger treat feel even more.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
And then the last segment before the like epilogue too,
just like Creepshow had is Sam we cut to that
curmudgeon lean neighbor played by Brian Cox, who's like lives
next door to uh to the principal and him just
tying into like what he was dealing with around the
same time, right, and he's the curmudgeonly like, no, no
trick or trus I ain't giving candy out to nobody.

(01:21:22):
And then Sam pays him a visit. Yes, because because
he's not a Biden by the rules.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Yeah, he's like, you need to trick or treat, you
get treat, you get tricked if you don't treat, you know, like,
and I do love the kind of like hard adherence
to the rules, you know, like and just taking it
from being like it could be a prank to being
like no, no, they'll kill you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
And then it adds and then it adds as another
coda to one of the shorts we've already watched, because
we revealed that the curmudgeonly old man was the bus
driver and you're.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Just like, faw y'all connect Pey, Sylvia pay Sylvia. So
true though, they're like, it's all coming together.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
But I think that that's you know, like the way
the trigger treat all kind of comes together as much
as I'm kind of like calling out like the stupid
fans with that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
It's like, it is why this is great.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Yeah, it's it's a very good halloweeny movie. It's also
like it's one that I can show to friends who
are horror averse. But I also don't feel like it's
a horror movie for babies. It's not like pop horror.
I'm like, no, this has genuine scares, but it's also
a good crowd pleaser.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Yes, I agree. I feel like it has it has teeth.
It absolutely does not let go of its teeth, and
it's but still you can show it to people who
are kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Note and then it has a nice it has a
nice conclusion that just wraps it up in a bow,
like you have the old man, like after he's gotten
the shit beatn out of him, finally abiding by the
rules and giving out candy, and you have and then
he is confronted by the dead kids who we had
seen risen up with that trick or treating segment to

(01:23:13):
like finally exact their vengeance. And you also have people
arriving home. You we finally tie it to like that
old couple we see in the beginning, because we actually
started at the end of the night when things are
wrapping up and winding down and Sam being like someone
ain't abiding by the rules. Time to go get punished.
So it all all comes full circle.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
I I do love that it all comes together and
it's a complete package. We have been promised a sequel
to Trick or Treat for a very fucking long time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Yes, Trick or Treat two has been in development forever.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Treat like Trick or Treat is like Ghostbusters three before
after Life came out. It's just like we swear there's
gonna be a go just like sure dan akt right,
all right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Yeah, And it's one of those things that you know,
like this could be the time we get Trick or
Treat too, because Michael Doherty's not working on a Godzilla,
you know, like he's not you know, like yeah right,
and uh, I'm pretty sure this is the only thing
on his list at the moment as coming up next, but.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Uh I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Also at the same time, like good luck, this is
gonna be hard to top, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Yeah, right, Like how do you how do you do
a sequel to this?

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
It's ay so hard to have a consistent like anthology
of horror. That's consistently good across the board. Everything ties together. Uh,
good luck, trying to just like all right, now do
it again?

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Do it again? Oh no, I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
He is not done with Godzilla. I didn't know he was.
He's a consulting producer on Monarch.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Holy shit. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Okay, so
that man's busy. He has been.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
He has been like not directorial, but he has had
his hand a little bit with like the subsequent movies.
I just I wish you would direct one again.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
I mean it's cool that he's on Monarch. Yeah, another
season of Monarch soon.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
I need to that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Yeah. I haven't watched it either. You gotta get you
gotta get Apple just to watch that and ted Lasso
exactly just like Benjamin, Then cancel your subscription my YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Recently, dude, I meant to tell you my algorithm has
been like I think you'll like ted Lasso, and it
just keeps like feeding me clips And.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
I just sent you a clip I just sent Uh,
it's funny, I just sent you a clip from ted Lasso.
Like earlier, before we started returning.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
The algorithm was like sending it to me Before that you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Know, that's so funny, it's weird. It's a good show.
It's a really good show show. You know me, I
don't go a funk about soide. I don't care the
funk about any sport that isn't badminton. Even then, I'm
not gonna watch bad. It's the only sport I actually
enjoy playing outside of you know, easy ship like bowling
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Okay, that makes that makes sense, That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Yuh, different kind of level, like very minimum effort like
bowling or pool or some ship.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Yes, I I so.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
But to get back on track, I think that we
could get trick or treat too soon. It could be
the next project that Mike authority works on, or we
could just fucking work on something.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
He at least he at least proved with with like
Crampis and King of the Monsters. That one him as
a director wasn't a fluke, But with Crampis specifically, that
him doing Corror wasn't just a fluke with that first one,
because Crampus is also very good.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Yeah, exactly, And you're just kind of like, yeah, let's
let's keep this man, let's keep this man working. You know,
it's basically my thing. It's like I want to see
Trick or Treat too. I want to see what else
he's got, you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Know, Like, but I'm also it's like, if it happens,
I'll be open to it, but I'm also not going
to build it up too much.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Yes, exactly, but dude, Trigger Treat. It's a It's a
great movie. It's one of those ones. And I I
try to rewatch every year and and and have a
good time with it. And I I think that Creep
Show and and This are the cream of the crop
of the horror anthologies, which you know, like we're starting

(01:27:18):
to switch to just being horror anthology shows.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
But I feel like there's still room and you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Can still you can still and there's still a bunch
being made, but they're more on like the obscure side,
Like go to Shutter, you'll find a bunch more.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Yeah, because the reason why you find a bunch is
I feel like it's a launch it's a launching pad
for several directors to work together. So they pool their resources,
they pull all their every their team, their actors to
make three movies basically, and then they slap them together.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
And sometimes it's not even for like sometimes it's not
even on the indie side, like I think, like Mike
Flanagan has a segment on like the latest VHS really yeah,
and it's just like it's like a Mike Flangan Mike
Flangin has nothing left to prove, he just started out.
But it's just like, Okay, we could just make this
like a collaboration thing because Shutters just ran away with

(01:28:11):
a VHS franchise, like it is basically theirs now, like
all the sequels are like Shutter Originals now, which was like,
I mean, hey, if it works. And they also got
like the Mortuary Collection, which is fun but also again
not as consistent, like you want the two best, you
got the two best with what we've been talking about, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Exactly, And there's there's not a I was trying to
think of Kevin Smith's horror anthology Holidays. That's the one
he did. I haven't seen that one yet, because I
thought that was interesting. They did horror anthology in twenty sixteen,
you know, like you're just like, okay, like, but I

(01:28:49):
haven't seen it yet, have you?

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
I don't think so. No.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
No, there's some good directors on there, too, so it's
an interesting one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
But let's check it out some soon.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
But guys, basically, I hope you can fit this into
your slots of horror.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
For this month.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Yes, and if you're a physical collector, they're worth having
on yourself. I got the shout, I got the shout
Bactory bucks for creep Show right here. Very good copy
comes with like a little booklet detailing behind the scenes stuff,
very comic bookie. And I got Trick or Treat.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
And especially because Creep Show is streaming on Filo, What
the fuck is Felo? What the fuck is that? And
why is it even like holding on to a movie
at all? But I had to buy that one, and
and Trick or Treat I own already, So it's just
like you're just like, dang, okay, So I would I

(01:29:45):
would agree this is a movie. These are movies you
want to own because they might not be streaming where
you want them to be streaming.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
I hope that people. I hope that people are starting
to get that point more and more as they're getting
frustrated with having a jump from this streaming service to
this streaming service or the streaming service if they want
to find something specific and not just you know, browse
for something random exactly. It's very annoying and not only
what do.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
You want these because like they could disappear, but because.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
These are good movies and we're owning and rewatching because
I feel like they're fun.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
They're fun.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
You can have fun watching them anytime as a rewatch,
you know, like, and uh, it's so definitely worth being
on your warpshelf.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
And definitely, you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
Know, Ruth or rewatched this this October if you got it, but.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
This was this was a fun experience, especially because Creep
Show was new for you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Yeah, you had already seen Trick or Treat.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Yeah, so it's like I definitely liked watching Creep Show, and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Uh, you understand why I kept pushing it. It was
just like it's a whole, it's a whole. You should
watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
I was really engaged to and like it was. It
was definitely one of those things where I was just like, Okay,
this is great. I'm like it was a big hole.
So I'm glad I have filled it, you know, and
I'm excited to I try to. I'm trying this year to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Fill in a couple horror holes. You know, you can try.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
To get them filled in we'll see if we can
do that. But guys, thank you so much for checking
out the Warpshelf podcast. If you're watching us on YouTube,
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Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Thing and feed the beast as we say.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Yeah, you know that could be nice.

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Makes it very easy for you to find everything. But
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Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
And when I show off my shirt or any like
physical media, I decide to like put up into cameras
just like I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Like to collect, I have to collect, and you get
to see our warp shells behind us.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
If you're watching on YouTube, you know, like that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
You know another benefit you get to sit there being like,
is that is that part of an amoebo collection that
Frank has them in that corner?

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
You're like, yeah, it's pretty much all the ambos pretty much.
I got almost them almost.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Is that a wet, weird blend of random assorted pops
with a lake Skywalker hot toy, a statue of Baron
Harkonen from Dune, but also the misborn leather bounce, right, man,
I got limited row. Sometimes there's no synergy to it.
I just put shit somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
And if you want to support our social media's, I
am yep Frank or yep Gundam or yep fish if
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Gundam models and you have Frank, if you're in anything
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Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
That's pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
If only you could trademark yup.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
That's right, trademark yep.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Just like not just yep. Anyone could use up. But
if it's yep something as one singular word, you owe
me money. Yeah, And I'm pretty much I'm mod craiker
pretty much everywhere, most active on Instagram and threads lately
just because I got the media thread going, I'm like
close to like five hundred now nice, Like should I

(01:33:37):
been consuming? That's everything from like if I read a book,
I add it. If I watch a season of television,
I add If I watch a movie, I add it.
If I go to a certain event, I'll add it.
It's just everything I'm sort of consuming in all sorts
of media, and then as far as and then as
far as side projects are concerned. I brought this up
on an earlier episode before, but I am still working
on that video essay that I had mentioned. I'm actually

(01:34:00):
in the middle of like recording and editing that right now,
so like we're kind of we're kind of like at
that final stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Nope, I love that. I'm excited to see it. It's
gonna it's gonna be epic.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Yeah, I'll probably make because I'm trying to go for
like a separate branding for it period, just for fun.
So I'll probably make its own YouTube channel for it.
I just haven't done it yet.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
That makes sense to me. It sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
All right, Well, we'll we'll be sharing that project when
it's up there, so you guys can check that out.
And guys pretty much, thank you so much for your
support of this show, and uh for we love doing
this and we'll be doing We might do one more
Halloween episode if we can fit it in.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Yeah, I mean that depends on you, not me. I'm
always done. We just got to figure out what to do.
But as far as like engagement, also lists like some
of your favorites. If you have an horror anthology that
we haven't seen, or that you think it's consistently good
all the way through, that you don't think people talk about,
then bring it up.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Yeah, please please down below put put any consistent and
not just horror anthology. If you've got any anthology movies
that is consistent all the way through, put down below.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
I'd like to check it out. You know, I like
it like a good thought movie.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Watch horror movies, watch moreror. Yes you're not watching enough.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
No you're not. No, No, up that number.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
All right, Well, thank you guys, and have a great
rest of your week audio.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
We'll see you next time.