The Warped Shelf - Dune_ Part Two

Three years later, Villeneuve and company are back with spicy worm shenanigans. Was the pay off worth the wait and how does it differ from the book?

Episode #158

Episode Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to the warpshelf. I'm Frank Durhan, I'm Deshan Basquez.
Today we are two artists reaching intothe sand, dudes of what would
you say, Sean, In additionto spice, let's say movies, comics,
TV shows, just general art.Anything that's worth taking with you.

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Now. That can be literally asin putting it on your actual warpshelf at
home, or it can mean justspiritually if it's only available on streaming or
you just don't happen to own it, but it means a lot to you.
So today we're talking about something wehyped up last episode. We're talking
about Doom Part two. We're excitedto talk about this because we talked we

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did a Dune Part one episode andDeshaun gave this to my wife a couple
of years ago. So we gotthis book sitting right here. You're gonna
have my old paperback. It's likethe version that you have that I got
from Mary is like the mass marketpaperback now, which is way nicer than

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this one. This is what themass market paperback used to be. I'm
like, damn it, what's thesignature on there? This was? Do
you remember comic book Girl nineteen backin the Disney Yes Yeah Yeah, now
known as Danica XIX. She starteda Dune book club, which is how
I first actually got to read it. Or the way it worked is you

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could pre order a bundle where it'sjust like, Okay, i'll get you
a mass market paperback, I'll signit, I'll make a custom bookmark with
it has a little tassel of likethe spice milange. I can't till the
bookmark because it's very NSFW. Butand the way it would work is that
every week there would be a streamon Twitch. One would a pre recorded

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segment about it, basically a summationof like the allotted pages like up to
where you were supposed to read,and then it would be followed by like
a Twitch Q and a to likereally get into like the meat of the
book. It was one of thethings that inspired me to do like a
book club with my Discord buddies.It's like, that's a cool idea.
She's done it for a couple ofthings. She's done it for like the
first three Dune books. I thinkshe might have done the fourth. She's

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also done it for stuff like likeI think she did one on the Art
of War, she did one onWatchmen. She's done a bunch nice But
you know, today we're actually talkingabout the movie experience. We won't be
I will talk a little bit aboutthe book, but of course just because
it's an adaptation, but we aretalking about part two in total. Now,

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Deshaun, what is what's your firstfeelings coming out of the theater for
Dune Part two? My initial thoughtwas going into it, I know Villeneuve
was already gearing up to do Messiah. He had said that pretty much after
the first film came out, thatif he were to get his wishes,
he would do Dune Dune Messiah andthen that would be it for him.

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And going into that, like Messiahis kind of a hard book to adapt,
and going into it, I wasjust like, I don't know how
much Massiah adaptation would really work.And then after coming out of him like,
oh, he directly sets that up. I felt that too. Was
that he even said it when helike first cast Zendaya, she was like,

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you're not a big part of partone, but part two is your
movie. And then when he getsFlorence Pooh for this movie, he's like,
yeah, part two is not reallyyour movie, but Messiah's gonna be
your movie, you know, Likethat's how he got them both though,
so I came out like, oh, this is very strong. I think
it benefited from distance as opposed toboth parts being shot back to back.

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You could tell that he he hadtaken into account some of the criticisms and
even like nitpicks. I remember oneof the most persistent nippicks I would hear
is like Zendea's accent not matching anyoneelse, just like why is she the
only one with like an American accentamongst all the Fremen. And so the
second movie had to go out ofits way to be like, oh,
whatever, different tribe, they have, different accent, shut up, it's

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different, shut up, shut upabout it. I I have seen a
lot of pushback, even more thanthe first half from book readers. I
have seen a lot of people kindof bitching and moaning. And I do
emphasize that they bitching and moaning becausethis is as a guy who read the

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book years ago, like in highschool, like I don't remember much.
Like it was the same time Iwas into reading a clockwork Orange where I
was just like, yeah, Iwant books that make it up words.
Come on, let's fucking go.So I don't remember a lot of books
I could barely comprehend. Yeah,I don't even remember too much about the
book myself, like I would needto reread. But of course I rewatched

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part one before this, just inclips and stuff, and I wasn't like
sitting down and watching it again.But you know, just a reminder because
it hasn't been too long, youknow, like it's it's not going to
be like Batman Part two where everyone'sbeing like five years. How dare they?
You know, like it has beenlike four four, you know,

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like which is I think under fiveyears is really fast for sequels, you
know, like that is that youknow, we're living in a very comfortable
society where we're like, oh yeah, we shot parts another part of the
Avengers and it is coming out rightthe next year. You know, like
that is that was the comfortable lifewe are living. I think part of
that is just pandemic, Like oursense of time dilation is all fuck now,

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it's really true. I feel likepeople will be bitching and moaning about
Falcon and Winter Soldier when that drops, because they'll be like or whatever,
they're calling that movie because that moviehas been delayed so much. Yeah.
Yeah, I forget what the newsubtitle is because it's had like a couple

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not as much as AKA THEA,but Jesus, Yeah, but I do
feel like this this may have pissedoff some book readers because Denny is Venue
is a visual storytelling director. Likethat is like he understands that that's what

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cinema is. It's visual storytelling.And I feel like that's why this movie
is so great for what it isis because it is so visually storytelling.
Not not a lot is said orexplicitly like spat out at you. A
lot of it is done in shotsand looks, And I feel like that's

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where the book readers are being like, well, they had a whole paragraph
on this and it was a look. Yeah, like yeah, it's it's
an adaption. I would rather havethe cinema. I would rather have the
show Don't tell ism of these thesetwo new movies, as opposed to like
the constant telling and not showing thatthe David Lynch film has. Yeah,

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it's tried to go for a veryliteral approach of just like what if we
translate all the descriptions in this bookfrom the povs into like having the actors
stare in the middle distance while narrationplays for like a good chunk of it.
It's so awkwardly done, and Ifeel that way is that like I
maybe you know, like the bookreaders got that like very faithful adaption of

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Doom, you know, and nowthey're getting somebody being like I'm adapting sort
of David Lynch. Dune has likethe hallmarks, but it is a case
of like filmmaker really not understanding thematerial still even if it has like even
if it has more things in acouple of places from the book on a

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superficial point, doesn't mean it reallyknows what to do with them. And
I feel like I've seen some interviewsat Dannyville Nu and Hans Zimmer both were
read this when they were teenagers,you know, like they they they read
Dune same as me, and likethat love goes forward. But it also

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Denny Venue has said that like hedidn't that Frank Herbert didn't like that when
people first read Dune, they werelike, you know, like they were
all like hyped up for him whenit's really a story about the Benny Benny
Jesuit sisters, you know, likeand like and using religion as a weapon

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more than it is like a storyabout like some sick dude who raole you
know, like that's that's which iswhich is so funny because even though this
film goes so much out of itsway, more so than the original material
ever did, to like try andset up a foundational point for Messiah to
be like, this is why thisis a fucking problem, people are still

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like, Yo, Paul's so cool. House of Trade's forever. It's very
true, you're like, it's oneof those things though that I've also seen
people being like and stupidly being like, oh, they're just doing Anakin from
Star Wars, And I'm like,what do you think Anakin was based off
of? Motherfucker, what do youthink it was based off of? Like

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what do you where do you thinkthat's? If it's not from, if
it's not a movie, people don'tknow it exists, and you can't just
tell someone that, dude. Duethe fifties, sixty five sixty five,
like, come on, guys,that's ten years before Star Wars and Star
Wars didn't even Star Wars, itdidn't even fucking do like Anakin with his

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Rise to power to the Prequels.So it's like obvious that the Prequels are
doing a reference to Dune in thataspect where they're like, oh, a
fake Messiah figure, you know,like or not even fake Messiah, just
the problem with Messiah figures, youknow, like putting so much power into
them is the thing. And Ithink that Danny venue Is does a fantastic

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job of that in here, likewithout explicitly constantly shoving it in your face.
He is giving you that kind oflesson, that kind of straightforward message
of like yeah, well, youknow, it's cool that he's helping these
people, but is it going toend well for anybody? No, no,

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it is. That's and that's kindof like where the like book purism
starts to seep through. It's it'smostly in like the latter half, especially
the ending, because this is juststraight up kind of a different ending than
the original book had, and it'smostly so it can set up Messiah well.
But you know, when you're abook purist, you're like they change

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something and like guys, guys,hey look at me, book reader,
Look at those books behind me,Look at the behind the Shrune books behind
them, But we also understand thatyou need to adapt, you need to
change things to make it work forscreen, and it's what you do that

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matters. Because of course there islike say, our generation loves Harry Potter,
you know, like even if withall the shitty shit that JK.
Rowling has done, we're continuing HarryPotter keeps getting Honestly, you're just like,
shut the fuck up somebody like likeshe had a really good editor before.

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Hire that person to watch your tweets, you know, like godd But
like, the the thing is isthat, like we we all know that
feeling of Prisoner of Azkaban to Gobletof Fire, you know, like that
feeling of like, oh, Prisonerof Azkaban as a movie is different than

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the book, but it keeps trueto like everything going on, you know,
like and it feels right. Butthen you go to Goblet of Fire
and you're like it's just missing parts, It's just missing things, you know,
like and you're angry. I mean, I'm angry. I'm always angry
about Goblet of Fire. But likethe it's it's one of those things that

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it was one of my favorite booksof the series. To Go, and
then it was it's I think theworst of all the Harry Potter but the
movies, you know, like causeit's just feels disconnected, disjointed. It's
trying to shove book parts in itdoes. It does struggle with like how
long Goblet of which is ironic becauseI feel like even Order the Phoenix has

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its own problems, but it's stillable to even adapt that fairly well.
And that's an even longer book,right, You're just like, and still
I don't I think that the Orderof the Phoenix and Half Blood Prints are
weaker entries in the whole series.Half Flood Prince is the one I have
major beef with. I think Ithink it wastes a lot of time.

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Yeah, it does focus. Havingthe two parts for the final one is
better, but it's still causes,you know, I feel like pacing issues,
you know, And I never feltthat while reading the original book,
you know, like I just fuckingstormed through that shit. But like,

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I feel like our generation understands thatfeeling. So I know that, like
the people bitching about the book purismof this of this movie, You're just
like, what what are you bitchingabout? This movie? Is yes,
my friends. You also have tothink about it on different levels. There's
a difference between like you can thinkabout it like how do I feel about

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it me as someone who's read thebook, as it feels as like an
adaptation representing that material, But there'salso the point of like how much does
this work as a movie and howwill it play to someone who doesn't give
a shit and hasn't read it?And I feel like, as you know,
for as a movie for people whohave never read the book, this
is fantastic, you know, like, this is is a complete thing.

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It feels big, it feels epic. It's gotten a list cast, which
I've heard some people being like,I hate that it's an a list cast.
It throws me off. You're like, You're like, just because you
weren't expecting Christopher Walking doesn't mean thatit's not badass. The christ er watching
Christopher Walking come up a lot justlike, oh, it's just so distracting.

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Just walking comes in and he justand he just he's just doing the
walking thing. I'm like, bro, that's just how Christopher Walking talks.
Just don't Knocknae for the way hespeaks. I think we forget that like,
because Christopher Walkin's like mannerisms have becomelike so iconic and puaritied that we
forget that we used to cast himand shit like The Deer Hunter because he

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can be very menacing. And Ifeel that way with Jeff Goldbloom too.
I feel like, you know,like his mannerisms have become memish at this
point that like it's hard to casthim in things now, which is sucky
because the man is a fantastic actorand has done a wide rage of roles

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and could be in anything, youknow, like but now they're like,
of course comedic, you know,like throw them in a comedy or something
like that. And I feel likeChrister Walkin knows that he's not always a
comedic actor, you know, butthere's been so many movies that make fun
of him and who he is,you know, like at this point that
like that's where that is coming from, you know, like where they're just

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like right bur like, but Ifeel like Jason Momoa was more distracted Dan
in the first movie. Then ChristerWalkin is here, you know, like
because I feel like Christer Wakin isjust Chris walking but Jason Momoa is like
always like one like Duncan, Idaholike personality wise is nothing like that in
the book. And here comes JasonMomoa, like looking like he stepped straight

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out of California. Yeah right,I did you know that still works in
the same way that like in thisthey make stillgark kind of the comedic relief
just for a little bit of levity, but it is still of the two.
I would say Jason Momoa is alittle like, huh, you don't
feel like you're supposed to be here? Yeah, I so, I mean
talking about the cast, I Ido think this might be uh tim O

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Tay Claremont's or Timothy Claremont's Clamont whichI don't know, Sorry, Shata ma
is uh he. I think thismight be his best his best I think
this might be his best movie actingwise. I I'm saying that because I
feel like, and this was saidto me where I was like, he's

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kind of playing himself in a lotof roles and and somebody play like Johnny
Depp, And I was like,yes, almost exactly like Johnny Depp,
where the man's a good actor,but he's kind of always playing Johnny Depp.
And I feel like Timothay is alwaysplaying himself here in a lot of
movies, and I feel like,you know, he kind of dissolves into

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Paul in this uh in this adaptation. I feel like he is this might
be one of his best. Thereis that sense when the first movie came
out about like, yeah, Cheveamais definitely nailing the like naive sort of
kid like in way over his head. But can he nail But can he

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nail like Paul the Leader, Yes, the like messionic figure by the time
he did a second movie, andI would say, so, yeah,
yeah, I mean I can't talk. I haven't seen call me by your
name, so I can't like,I haven't seen that was like that was
just what my you know, reactionwas. I feel like a lot of
people would argue that as far aslike career best for him, Yeah,
And I haven't seen that yet,and that's my fault. I need to

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I need to see that movie.But I do feel like he's he's really
he's really good here surprisingly, youknow, like I feel like, you
know, in French Dispatch, hejust is himself and like and in so
many Wonka he's he's just himself,you know, like it's just like,
come on, guys, in away, you know, a very exaggerated
version of himself. Wonka is likeI liked Wonka. It's like the entire

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time though it is just on theurge of being too tweet for its own
good. It's like constantly on thattightrope. I think Zenda did a great
job here. I I almost feellike we should have more Zendaya action films,
you know, like I I knowshe's kind of like drama or comedy,

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but I feel like we need moreaction sequences with Zendaya because she is
so good in this as like anabsolute badass, you know, Like I
like her running forward in that finalfight scene, Holy shit, you know,
like you're like, all right,yeah. And the fact that it
has a parallel to the exact samelike dream sequence Paul had in the first

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movie, but it was him instead. I do love that. I do
think the absolute star of this film, the absolute steals the fucking show,
is the best actress out of allthe whole movie is Rebecca Ferguson's She's amazing.
I thought she was great in thefirst part, but she shines here,

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absolute shines, And I it's justI think She's incredible in this.
It delivers a lot and does mostof it through a fucking veil, you
know, like and you're like,hell yeah, you know, like I
just was so excited by that.I thought she was great in this.
Uh. And I mean don't Imean, you gotta give credit to Javier

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Javier Bardem still gar Yeah, evenin the first movie, he was like
one of the highlights. Even thoughhe's not in it much, it felt
like, Wow, this one feelsthe most like stepped off the page.
Yeah, I do. And Imean Josh Brolin's great. I think it's
great to have him back. Andlike I thought that, I thought that

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was nice, you know, likeI think that was like per I think
he was. I think he's perfectin the role. You know, like
Josh Brolin is almost perfect in everyrole he is, you know, like
I feel like he's he just fitsthe place. Uh. But I will
say I did enjoy Austin Butler inthis. I'm I'm kind of a big

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Austin Butler fan at this point,you know, Like I feel like Elvis
I was super surprised by and Ifeel like this guy might be one of
those like absolute rising stars that isjust going to like keep showing how strong
he is. Yeah, you know, like so long as it doesn't so
long as he doesn't get a bighead about it, I think, Yeah,

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the rise of Awesome Butler reminds mea lot of like Jared Leto when
his acting career first started, wherethere's like a lot of like acting prowess
there and some genuine range, butthen Leto kind of let it get to
his head. So I was justkind of an egomaniac. Now, Yeah,
I do feel like it's funny thatI have to bring this up because
it's been said so many times tome that everybody thinks that he can't get

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rid of the Elvis voice. AndI've seen interviews on The Graham Norton Show
where he does talk about this thatlike he was method for Elvis, and
of course he wasn't method for thisrole because this he was like this,
this role is a psycho. Ican't do that, you know, like
I can't just be a method actorfor this. But I do feel like,
you know, he does. Hehas held on to the Elvis voice

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a little, you know, likebut all so I feel like maybe the
singing and doing that voice he sayson The Grand Norton Show, it's like
hurt his vocal chords, so likethis is just his deeper voice now,
you know, like yeah, awsomeButler. You know, like it's just
like that's where he's at. Youknow. Yeah, you get that wear

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and tear. Yeah, and Ilike that sucks, you know, like
to be real, you know,like that's that's that's like a thing that
happens to a lot of singers,and I feel like it's uh, you
know, if you're not trained enough, it can happen, you know,
like where your voice does change becauseyou you have to be careful about that,
like vocal control and like where yousing from. It's something that would

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always come up back with the originalBroadway cast for Beetlejuice, the original Lydia
Sophia and Caruso like would great herfucking voice to sing and it worked for
the emotion. But it's one ofthose things where just like that's not a
long lasting thing you should do.Yeah, just like that, like you're
getting away with that because you're young, but you'll pay for that later.

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You gotta stop that, uh,I do think. I mean put Florence
Pooh in any movie that's I'll sayit. I'll say it. Put her
in any movie. I love her. I don't care, you know,
like I you don't love her,Frank, you haven't seen Midsomar you propose
her? Yeah, but I've seen, uh what do you call it?
Call me? Uh uh? Whatthe fuck is that movie? Sorry,

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I've seen Don't Worry Darling, andyou haven't, so yeah, because I
heard it was trash. He hewas fine. It's a it's kind of
a modern Stepford Wives, and that'stotally cool. But I mean, get
you gotta give credit Florence Pooh.Fucking The last three movies of hers are
absolutely fucking killer Oppenheimer, The Boyand the Heron and Doting Part two.

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The woman is fucking killing it.And I feel like, yes, put
her in everything, you know,like absolutely non stop. Just keep giving
this woman work and then before Isend it off. You gotta I feel
like you have to give credit toDave Batista. I feel like a lot
of people constantly like given the praisefor Dave Batista, this man can fucking

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act, Yes, And I feellike that's it shows even more here than
even Part one. I feel likehe's great in Part one but I feel
like he brings a lot to therole in part two. I feel like
I don't know how anybody else couldhave played him, you know, like
I yeah, and I've seen peopletry to be reductive about it. We're
like, ah, Rabond just kindof his only defining character trait is that

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he just kind of screams a lot, just like well, there's also that
sense of like when you're acting likethat constantly at like an eighty to one
hundred type of character, it's alsoreally hard to pull off without coming off
as comical. Yes, exactly,No, it's so true. It's like
you come off as comic, bookieif you're just screaming constantly. And I
feel like he is able to likecap sure that warrior spirit that's going on

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here without coming across as too much. You know, like, I feel
like he's able to do a lotof this. And then of course,
you know, I feel like,uh, Lisa doo, uh you know
this is this is a Bond girl, So like it's one of those things
where do sorry I was wondering whoyou were talking about. Sorry, sorry,

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I'm mispronouncing. She's a Bond girl. So it's one of those things
that I you know, like Ifeel like a lot of people count her
out, but she's she's great,you know, like she uh is good
in the role. And I feellike we'll get even more of her.
Even before, even before Bond,you had stuff like blue is the warmest

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color. Yeah, so like justto show that acting prowess. I was
just watching in Glorious Bastards again theother day, and I forget that she's
in that, like right before youforget that, Yeah, she's one of
the daughters in that opening scene,like oh shit, oh shit. Uh
And and I mean I don't thinkhe played as big of role this time,
but Stone's skasguard is uh is isthe baron, you know, like

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he's he's in the right looking himbehind him, looming over my shoulder right
now. He is just like heembodies that role. He looks so good
in the makeup, like he's menacingas hell, you know, Like,
yeah, I'm pretty sure I hadbrought this up when we talked about the
first film, but I actually likedthe tick that they took with him here
because the the emperor in the originalbook was not really intimidating. He was

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just like he was decadent. Hewas flamboyant and just kind of like jo
jovial in like a frightening sort ofway. Yeah, just like everything about
him was like excess, excess,gluttony, et cetera. Here, I
actually like the more like dour,looming force that makes him a lot scarier
as a threat. M h.Even if I find it super funny that

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every adaptation of doing has misunderstood howhis flotation device is supposed to work,
They're just like changed it up.Who The point is is the Baron is
so overweight, like non humanly overweight. I can't even support his own weight
to move that he has to uselike floaters attached on different pieces of his

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bodies to even be able to walk. For for some reason, ever since
the Lynch film, we've interpreted itas he can fly, he can fly,
he can fly the fucking the Lynchfilm did that, the mini series
did that, and these two moviesdo that. Now I've never seen the
mini series have. What is yourthoughts on the mini series? It's faithful,

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It's an interesting experiment for the time, but you know, this is
pre golden age of television trying todo a book with this sort of like
scale end scope, it does it. It is the only adaptation to actually
make it past the first book.They got up to the third. Wow.
That's so that's something. And youhave you have like actors like before

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they hit it big, like JamesMcAvoy in it playing Paul's son, So
you're like, oh cool, butit's still you know, it's a sci
fi TV show from that period,so of course it's gonna be very cheap,
and boy they're trying their best.Oh man, that was I was.
I was rewatching recently the Dinotopia seriesand like I was a big Dinotopia
kid. Uh so, like,and I remember loving the show when I

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was a kid, and like rewatchingit, I'm like, damn that CGI
is rough. But then when theydon't use CGI and they use actual puppets,
you're like, hell, yeah,guys, let's fucking go. That
looks and you're telling me, Ijust I just rewatched all of reboot,
like this CG Cartoon reboot, whichis the first full length like CG animated
show ever made. I'm just likewow. In some ways, like this

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holds up an absolutely dozen on avisual standpoint. It's interesting, right,
it's sort of like style at thatpoint. Yeah, and it has its
own charm because of that, andyou could tell like you forgive it because
you know how much harder this was. Yeah right, You're just like they
were putting in the fucking work tomake this happen, Like that's that's something
else. But to kind of getinto the plot of this, I feel

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like, uh, Dune part two. Of course, we knew this is
the good parts, you know,like this is the climax, this is
act three as a movie. AndI feel like maybe that's where a lot
of the purists are getting a littleangry, you know, like they're like,
well I touched that part, youknow, like it's just up,
you know, being mad about itbeing the final part of it. And

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I like, I feel like theydo a good job of being like this
is its own movie also, youknow, like it doesn't. It's not
just in the third part and go, go go. It's like I think,
because I've I've heard people get detailedinto it, I know exactly what
the fucking book fans are mad atnow. It's and it mostly retains to

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how they do the ending and characterwise specifically it's Shanni really because Chani is
characterized very differently than she is inthe books in that she actually has shit
to do, because here's the thing. In the book, Channi and the
rest of the freemen, by extension, are very passive, and by a

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modern standpoint, it makes them ifyou were going to do a modern adaptation
of Doom, it makes them feelgullible. It just makes it seem like
everyone is for the like yeah whatever, lisan Al gayib let's follow him.
And I liked that the movie wasall about, like no, there are
different factions and tribes of freemen,and some follow that religion, some don't,
so there are some that are likeunderstandably skeptical by about this whole,

(30:47):
like Paul as the messiah thing,and by positing Chani in that position,
it actually just gives her way moreto do here, as opposed to just
being the googu eyed like woman thatPaul's with. Yeah you on that.
I feel like that's the thing here. We are dealing with an adaptation,
and I think that he's made choiceshere, and that might piss off some

(31:11):
book readers, but I feel likethat's the modern thing to do. It's
what uh you know, needs tobe done to like take it that step
further, and sure you can complainthat all these double triple A actors are
throwing you off, you know likethat that you're you just weren't expecting them.
But that's thing, you know thatthat's what makes this movie so powerful
is that it is so many bigactors in a sci fi movie. Guys,

(31:37):
you are fucking you're so spoiled because, like we live, sci fi
is a hard fucking genre. It'sa hard genre to do. And to
have a like kind of epic legacymaterial movie happen, and for so many
big names to sign on and do, like really do it is fantastic.

(31:59):
And for Dennis Venue not to liketo really lean into actual sets and actual
like lighting from the desert and likeyou know, mostly just using the fucking
sun for lighting, which, firstoff, holy shit, holy shit that
he did that. You know,like that's insane to me that he was

(32:20):
mostly using just the sun for thismovie. And you're just like, holy
crap, because that's that's insane.For some of these battle sequences that are
happening at sunset, you know,like that's insane. And frankly, you're
lucky you even got the second partI was so terrified when I had found
out that Part one and two werenot shot simultaneously, and he was banking
on Part one doing well, justlike I don't know, Dune is kind

(32:43):
of heady. It might not vibewith Modron, it says, unless you
really make it work for people.And this was on the cusp of like
Lockdown too and not no one wasfucking going to the movies, So I'm
like, oh, oh, no, oh no, if we can only
cover the first half of the firstbook, this is gonna be a real
problem. Yeah. I did thinkthat that was you know, we like,
we enjoyed part one, but Ithink that, you know, with

(33:07):
it not being greenlit at the time, it was very like, I remember,
this is gonna be a Frost move, like real, real, being
real hesitant as to like judging it, as to like whether or not that
second part was gonna happen. Yeah. And it's funny because there's interviews with
Don Zimmer and he was He's theone who was like, yeah, I

(33:27):
read the book I'm making. I'mgonna keep sending you music for part two,
uh, you know, like,which I think is awesome that he
was just composing so believing in it. You know, composing for Dune was
a dream of his. It's whyhe didn't It's why he didn't compose Tenant
and Oppenheimer because it's just like,Nope, doing a Dune movie has been
a dream of mine. I'm sorry. Even though like Nolan, Nolan is

(33:51):
usually his boy, right, it'skind of like it's almost like, you
know, Spielberg and John Williams whereit was like they have this man I
retain, you know, like forthese movies, and like I always felt
that way about Noland until Tenant andand Oppenheimer was I was like, I
was like, it's gotta be Zimmer, you know, like, but nope.

(34:13):
And I think that this movie isabsolutely elevated by Hans Zimmer's score here.
I like, I mean every HansZimmer's score is fantastic. I think
the man's one of our living legends. But I do I think that it
raises the bar here, this isone of his best. I think that

(34:34):
it elevates this movie. I thinkthat there's a lot of the visual storytelling
is delivered even better with just thewith just the soundtrack behind it, you
know, like I feel like alot of the visual storytelling going on is
brought forth with his soundtrack here,and you could kind of like feel the
love coming from this. And Ithink that that's so cool that Hans was

(35:00):
like the first one brought on partone, and he was the first one
believing in part two, you know, being yeah, here's the love,
here's all this, you know,And he's already said that he's like writing
music for Messiah as well, youknow, Messiah might be a few years
off. Like he's a man wholikes to like start early and stay late,
even like for the score for Interstellar, he had like started writing that

(35:22):
music while the movie was still inpre production, like there wasn't even a
finished script yet, and Nolan wascool with it because he knows that's just
how Zimmer likes to work. He'sjust like, here's the general vibes of
what we're going for, this iswhat we want to do, and also
have an organ like I'm gonna gofucking nuts. And I mean everyone's kind

(35:42):
of making fun of the soundtrack forthis, you know, with the like
the scream yelling here, but Ithink that it it delivers the feel well.
I feel like it's no, it'sno different than like the trend that
we used to have like over tenyears ago, like around peak, like
James Cameron's Avatar, of like thelike sad vocal singing for a dramatic scene.

(36:06):
Yeah, I'm just I am kindof blown away by Hans Zimmer here.
I think that it is it.You know, a soundtrack is supposed
to elevate the material, and Ifeel like that's absolutely what's going on here.
It is insanely loud. I rememberI remember when Part one came out,
and like going to the movies forsomething else. I think it was

(36:29):
an anime movie, but it waslike further down the hall for like one
of the further movie houses, andI walked by, I walked by one
that was playing doing and all youcould fucking he was like like into the
hallway, You're like Jesus, Yeah, it's funny. I went to see
it at Chunky's and it was inone of the bigger theaters, so I

(36:50):
was I love that at Chunky's inManchester. And the funniest thing I noticed,
because I ran to the bathroom atone point, is that no other
theater had a closed door like congFu Panda, like uh, you know,
all the other movies playing at themoment, nobody had closed the door
sit theater, but they had closedthe door to the Dune because they knew

(37:14):
how fucking loud it was. I'msure they probably did something similar for Oppenheimer
because Oppenheimer was also pretty low.It was so loud. I remember seeing
Barbie and hearing Oppenheimer through the fuckingwalls, you know, like, so
you're just like shit, you know, like that's some that's some fucking loud
as shit, you know, likefucking love that. Uh. And I

(37:35):
can't believe, you know, likethis is the week that end of Evangelian's
coming out, you know, andit's gonna be playing, and I'm sure
it's gonna be playing next to Dune, and you're gonna be sitting there being
like giant robots and all of asudden, just what I come through the
fucking walls. You're gonna be likeshit, like uh, But I I
I I think this is one ofthose great uh movie going experiences, Like

(37:59):
I you know, I've said itfor a couple of movies on this podcast,
but this is one of those moviesyou want to go see in theaters.
You absolutely do. The action isbig, the sound is big,
the actors are big. You know, like, this is absolutely worth seeing
in theaters. Do not wait tillit's on Max. Like, do not

(38:19):
especially after especially after like not havingmuch of a choice with the first one.
Show some respect, Like I sawit at the Alamo Draft House,
and I always have a really goodprojection and sound system, thankfully more so
than like any of the big chainsout there. I do want to see
it again, especially since the Coolidgehas been like playing it in seventy milimeter.

(38:40):
I'm like, fu ooh, Iwant to go see it again just
for that, just like the Oppenheimerit's funny. I do I want to
watch a you know, a killBill ultimate cut sort of thing where they
put them both together. I knowit would be an extremely long theater experience,
but I do feel like I wantto watch them in succession, like

(39:00):
right after each other. I hadmy buddy Rob went to go see it.
He did it for a friend's birthday, and he hadn't seen the first
one, so, you like,watched the first movie like the day of
on Max and then went to themovies later to see part two, and
coming out of the first one,he said he felt like it was mostly

(39:21):
set up, and then he feltlike the second one was a payoff.
He's just like, Okay, Idefinitely like this more, watching them like
not too long from each other,and I feel like, upon rewatch this,
that'll probably be how I treat itlike I will treat it like whenever
I feel like watching Lord of theRings, I will watch all three extent
Laura the Rings. Yeah, comeon, let's be real. You know,
I can't just leave it at thefirst one, which you know,

(39:43):
one of the best Cliff Ays,but like, you know, like that's
gotta keep going. I gotta getinto that. That's I never I still
don't own the first one on Bluray, and that's mostly because I really
wanted the steel book and the stealbooks sold out so fast. But now
that the second film is I'm like, okay, I'm sure there'll be even
if it's not a steal book.I'm sure there'll be some nice like double

(40:04):
feature fucking box set for it orsomething. Yeah, some some something good.
Now, I do feel like youknows uh speak speaking on like the
setup to the payoff, that likeit does do that extremely well. I
feel like, you know, likeyou can this is a different movie than
Part one. You know, likePart one, I would say, I

(40:25):
would describe it to people who hadn'tseen it as Game of Thrones in space,
you know, like where it wasjust like oh yeah, lots of
houses, lots of drama, youknow, like that's that's how I describe
it. That's not how I describePart two. You know, like I
don't feel like this is you know, you know, trying to be sort
of like a modern like Game ofThrones evocation of this. And I've seen

(40:50):
that with some of the criticism thatpeople have been leveraging at it, being
like, oh, yeah, thefight scenes aren't as good as Lord of
the Rings fight scenes, and you'relike, motherfucker. Lord of the Rings
wasn't even supposed to have that goodof a fight scenes, you know,
like like not necessarily about it's likefight scenes. Most of its fight scenes,
even the material are like very simple, efficient like knife fights. It's

(41:13):
not really about like the specific actionso much as like the wider spectacle.
And and I I will say herethat like, yes, are the fight
scenes as big and as epic assay a Two Towers or Return of the
King or something. No, butthat's kind of not the point, you
know, like that's not what they'regoing for. This is insurgency fighting.

(41:37):
This isn't army on army battling itout for the two towers. You know,
like this is uh, I meanfrom MINISTERI if it's like you know,
like this is uh, this isstrictly like guerrilla warfare. And I
feel like fantasy, yes, AndI think that's where, you know,

(41:58):
like what's going on here is youknow, because how epic it is,
people don't have a frame of referencefor it, so they immediately jumped to
Lord of the Rings Battles or orsomething else, you know, like and
you're like, that's a fantasy book, you know, like that's not what
this is, you know, likea different, different beast. And I

(42:20):
gotta say, I'm still thinking aboutthe them taking down the Walker the first
time and them lot like uh doingthe RPG into the helicopter like and like
that scene is so good fight wise, like and I I I think it's
because it adds they're able to likekeep stakes going well, still moving forward
with it, and I think that'swhy that scene stands out so much.

(42:44):
Sure is the end battles uh asepic as you know, a big army
fight scene. No, but dida bunch of worms fuck up a pyramid?
Fuck? Yeah they did. Andyou know like and you're like,
what what more do you need?You know, like, what the fuck
are you talking about? And actionalso benefits like character and storytelling. Again,

(43:08):
as George Lucas once said and thenimmediately contradicted himself once he did the
prequels, a special effect without astory is a very boring thing. Mm
hmm. Yes, And I Uas somebody who just watched Rebel Moon.
Yeah, that's fucking true. That'sfucking true. Just I just watched part
one of Rebel Moon the other dayand and sure it's it's bad, but

(43:34):
it's kind of a fun bad ina way where you're just like it is
bad, Like I'm not don't getme wrong. This is this is a
bunch of loose parts that they werelike I like Star Wars and I like
Warhammer, you know, like,and I also love seven Samurai, you
know, like he just kind offucking shlammed them all together. But like
the spectacle of it is is fun, you know, like that's the fun

(43:57):
part. But there is scenes whereyou're just like that was the cool was
effecting the fucking movie. And itwas for a character that was in a
bar, you know, like you'relike, what the fuck was that,
you know, like, and Imean it's very like that bar scene is
very Star Wars where they're trying tobe like, yeah, it's very most
icily, you know, like lookat these as everywhere. And I was
originally developed as a Star Wars moviebefore yeah, like, you know,

(44:21):
fucking I'll just turn it into myown thing, which it's definitely faded,
being like I'll just do Star Warswith black jacket hookers, fuck you,
you know, like and that islike which by the way, I didn't
realize that was a dated reference,by the way, and me saying like
I'll just do it myself with blackjackethookers. I said that to the are
now former intern at our job,and he looked at me like I said

(44:44):
something so offensive, and I likelooked at him like it's from Futurama.
It's from Futurama, you know,Like I'm just like I'm not fucking just
saying that shit. It's just likeyou like, wait a fucking second,
you know, like and like you'relike, oh, oh, I didn't
realize I was making like an outdatedfucking reference. Really, you know,
I thought this was aw old old, but I was like, fuck,

(45:08):
but yeah, And to be fair, that's that's Snyder's prerogative. Let's not
act like Star Wars is in fuckingderivative itself. Oh no, I and
that, and we we already talkedabout that then, Like definitely they are
taking like I know, people beinglike Dune is too much like Star Wars,
and you're like, no, StarWars is too much like Dune.
Like let's put some respect, youknow, like on the fucking name,

(45:30):
you know, like like it's alreadya melting pot as is. It's Dune,
it's the fucking Hidden Fortress, it'sa bunch of Westerns, it's a
lot of things. It's a lotof things. And I feel like that's
the problem with uh, current StarWars at the moment is it's not taking
a lot of things and slamming ittogether like original Star Wars did. The

(45:52):
only one that understood that principle wasthe last Jedi. Yeah, I agree,
right there, You're just like,oh, but they actually understood the
fucking assignment. But yeah, asfar as I'm sure we're saying some fucking
inflammatory shit there. But you knowwhere we stand Last Jedi and this by
us. But yeah, I hadlike brought this up as a concern when

(46:15):
we talked about the first movie,that Dune has been so picked clean by
pop culture that when you try todo an adaptation of it for modern audiences,
it'll feel derivative, even though itwas the trendsetter. It's the same
problem as adapting like say a DocSavage book, or trying to adapt something
like John Carter of Mars, Likeit's so permeated in storytelling that it's gonna

(46:39):
come off as cliche even though itwas there first. I feel that way
about trying to do a Tarzan movie, you know, like is that there's
thirty two or thirty six Tarzan books, but for some reason, we can't
fucking put together anything but the firstbook of Tarzan. You know, you
can't, you know, like andthe same thing happens, or even Sherlock

(47:00):
Holmes, I feel like, youknow, like that the body has been
picked clean that it comes across asas derivative when you try to do straight
up same thing with like the NewParole movies, you need to like push
some sort of gimmick in order forpeople to buy it. So with Sherlock

(47:21):
Holmes this case, you have likethe BBC Show, which is like,
all right, it's in modern day, all right, that's what we're doing,
or even with the guy Ritchie Films, or it's just like this is
Sherlock Holmes for fourteen year olds,where it's like very action y and kind
of snatches. You're like, sure, all right, sure, all right.
The other thing that I felt like, it's funny. The first thing

(47:42):
I said to you, the thingI texted to you, was like,
oh, that was metal as shit, you know, like that Dune Part
two was super metal. And it'sfunny because I'm saying that because there's so
many metal albums that directly reference Doom, you know, like Dune Doom,
but like they directly reference it andlove on it. So it's like it

(48:04):
is funny to like finally, youknow, like see that reference in full
and it just comes across as thismovie's kind of metal as shit, you
know, like yeah, it's likeit's kind of bad ass. You know,
it's been there, and it's nicefor people like actually start to recognize
it. Like when the first filmcame out Nervous had put out a video
of like here's a bunch of Dunereferences in pop culture way before this,

(48:25):
like first Little Move movie came out, and you see it in like Star
Trek the Next Generation. You seeit in fucking the Grim Adventures of Billion
Mandy. There are several dune referencesin Billion Mandy. It's really funny.
And they do deep cut shit too. It's not just the first book,
like they're referencing like book four shit. Just like, oh, someone on
this writing team was just super intodo and just want to make some dune

(48:46):
jokes, even though no one elsebut like the real ones would get it,
would understand. And even the factthat like the Fat Boy Slim video
with Christopher walking comes full circle becauseChristopher Walkin's in this right and one of
the lyrics is like dance without rhythmand don't to not attract the worm,

(49:08):
a lyrics that no one fucking gotwhen that song came out. And now
you know, like you're like,ah, I I kind of love that
though, Like it's one of thosethings that it is such a big,
big cultural touchstone that to see thislike big epic adaptation of it is the

(49:29):
best any fan could hope for.That's why I'm kind of upset about the
book purists, because like I cantalk about like what they actually have issues
with. Yeah, yeah, I'lljust I'll just get into it so beyond
what I had already said about likeChohny having like the different characterization by extension
that affects the ending, the endingon paper, and like what we get

(49:52):
accomplished is very similar. They seizethe capitol, the baron is killed,
Paul takes over as the emperor withlike the can with the conceit that like
I will marry your daughter, soI marry it to this empire. However,
in the book, Chohnnie remains asPaul's concubine, which ties into a

(50:15):
whole thing, a whole hang upthat like Jessica and Dukelido had, or
like Dukelido regretted in his life thathe never never married Jessica because he truly
loved her, but never married herbecause he needed that like political advantage to
potentially marry someone, and that carriesover like a generational thing. It's like

(50:35):
an irony. Yeah, it's likehe didn't like that about his father,
and then he still does it exactlyso with the book. It ends with
the idea that like, yes,I will marry Princess Uhulan, but it
will just be a political marriage.I will never touch her. You will
be my concubine. You will bearmy children. My children will be my
heirs, and that will be He'slike, and that will be enough.

(50:58):
You will be base my wife,even if you don't have the title.
And that's more or less how thebook ends with like Jessica reassuring Chany of
that fact. Yeah, which iscool for a book written in nineteen sixty
five, But now it's just like, wow, what a fucking nineteen sixty
five view of feminism, Just likeit's okay, you're my cockubine, everything's
fine. So I actually prefer thatthey actually made Channy a foil who's like

(51:22):
against this idea and sees the problemwith like this ben age as or like
manipulation of her people, and makesher a potential foil for the next one,
which also gives her more to dofor the next one. But I
get it. I think it's avery smart change as someone who's read the
book. But I also get whybook pierists are just like, can't see
why it works. And are morejust mad about the change that they pump

(51:45):
the TV, that they that theydare to change it at all. Yeah,
And I like I get that,you know, like I get that
where you're just like, why wouldthey ever change this thing? But at
the same time, does it work? Does it fucking work? It's not
just a change for Chain's sake,motherfuckers. Like think about that a little

(52:05):
bit, you know, like thatthat there's changes that make it a little
bit more modern, you know,a little bit less problematic, you know,
like a little more something. Itmakes them seem again a lot less
gullible. So it makes a lotmore sense, and it lays the foundational
work very well for Messiah. Andit also saves things that we didn't do

(52:28):
here so that we could potentially justdo in Messiah to give that book a
little more stuff, because Do Messiahisn't very action packed, but the stuff
that they've added here to sort ofset it up will help that a bunch.
They even made the change that inthe movie here we keep Jessica pregnant,
Yes, but I know that shewas born in the book. Yes,

(52:50):
there's a four year time skip afterlike Paul and Jessica join the Fremen.
So the child Alia is born andshe's sort of like this pression kid
who has like the mind. BecauseLady Jessica became the Reverend Mother while she
was pregnant, it affected the babyand so we got psych We have a
psych We have like a psychic pressionfour year old running around. Yeah.

(53:14):
Really tough to try and pull offin a movie. The Little Film tried
it to very success. I reallylike this, you know, like,
I like this is the change thatI will defend because I really like the
kind of scariness of that everyone cantalk to this unborn child like I don't

(53:36):
like, I feel like it's kindof it first off, very metal,
very like unexpected. And I firstoff loved the shots in the womb and
the eyes fucking open when it liketakes in the pains and generations. I
was like, you know, Ilike that too, because one, it's
way creepier too. It's easier topull off because if we tried to do

(53:59):
the like four year old thing,it'd be weird. We try, we'd
either try to age it up justso we could have like some sort of
consciousness and a kid to like maybebe able to act through it. Like
the Lynch film did, which eventhat was like so so and it was
just and it might come off ascomical. So I think just keeping her
it would be a weird tone flip, you know, is what I say.

(54:20):
Just keeping her pregnant and just havinglike this omniscient baby inside her is
way creepier. And I dug that. And it's also like that thing that
are in the know could look atJessica and think she's insane because he's just
like constantly talking to her stomachs likeyes, yes, my friends. And
I think that Anna Taylor johnsonya AnyaTaylor Johnson as the voice, God damn

(54:45):
it, sorry about that, butI think that she is really good as
the voice, you know, likeI feel like she's it's like it's subtle,
it's not too much. You don'tgo imediately, Oh it's her until
you see the future, and herbeing there at all is like a future

(55:06):
vision is also like a direct Messiahsetup, because there's there's like a four
year time skip in the first book. I don't think I think Messiah is
like ten years after the first book. Oh shit, okay, so it's
a big jump, yeah all right, which I imagine they will truncate somewhat
for this one, in the sameway they truncated the time Skip here.

(55:28):
It'll still work. But I likethat They're just like, we're sort of
doing the Alia thing, but we'regonna not do the weird stuff that might
come off as silly, but we'llstill keep that and we'll tease the older
one directly as like a Messiah thing. So even though Anya Taylor Joyce here
for like two seconds, assuming weget to do Messiah, she'll have a
much bigger prior we promise, whichI mean, this movie made bangbusters.

(55:52):
I feel like they're obviously gonna doa Messiah. It made it made as
much money as the first one didin its first week. Yeah that's big,
you know, like that's big.And as soon as I had like
seen how big the Prophet was fromthat first weekend, I'm like, oh,
we're getting Messiah. Oh we're gettingMessiah. Yeah right, Like and
in our in our you know,Hollywood society of I want a franchise to

(56:15):
keep going, you know, likethis is the perfect this is what we
used to do. You don't likethink you hope for a franchise, but
you worry about one thing at atime mm hmm, instead of being like,
oh man, you know, likeand I feel like, here's your
fucking six movie contract. Let's hopethe first film is even watchable. Yeah,
exactly. You don't understand, Frank, Madam Webb, Morbius. They're

(56:37):
gonna be huge. It's gonna bethe next big thing, even gonna fucking
change everything. Oh my god.I do love how much Madam Webb fell
on its face. I know thathas nothing to do with anything, but
I do, like, I Imean more. I turned on Morbius the
other day because it's on Disney Plus, and holy shit, even in the
first like five minutes, you're like, somebody should have shut this down.

(56:59):
Somebody should have said no, youknow, like, and I like,
I'm sure Madam Webb is even worse, you know, Like, I'm just
like, okay, I'll watch thatwhen it's free on something. I'm so
glad that Coda Johnson got like lefther agency, like posts like this and
fifty shades of Great. It's beenone of those things where like Dakota Johnson,

(57:20):
I know you can act. Iknow it's yeah, you're in like
the shittiest fucking projects. And Iheard Sony was kind of lying to them
about this that they were basically thatthey were verse, yeah, and you're
like, that's kind of fucked up, like just being like no, no,
you're you're gonna be a Spider Man, you know, like you're gonna

(57:40):
be part of the Spider Man universe. Come on, you're part of the
Marvel and then you know, thestar of the movie is like in association
with Marvel, you know, likeand you're just like wait a minute,
like wait o' fucking second. Imostly feel bad for Sidney Sweeney because I'm
sure she felt like, holy shit, I get to be Spider Woman,
you know, like I get tolike do this big Marvel role and then

(58:04):
it's just fucking Madam Webb and you'rejust like fucking hell, god damn,
Like it's okay. That's it's almostlike a ride of passage to know you've
really made it in Hollywood. AndI feel like she's at this time where
people will go to see movies forher, you know, like same thing
as Florence Pooh. I feel likepeople will go see the movie for her,
and I I you know, likethat shows with Sidney Sweeney with her

(58:27):
new like Demon Baby movie that's comingimmaculate, you know, like that's come
out, and I feel like that'sgonna do money even though it's just a
horror movie, you know, likeit's gonna make some serious buck, you
know, like when in a worldwhere you know it has to be to
get big money horror movie wise,you gotta do something big, you know,
like and I feel like this isthis is a very small kind of

(58:52):
like non horror movie, and stillit's gonna make bangbusters, you know,
like and you're like, I'm forthat, you know, like you're like,
please give us more horror movies.Like so you're just like and and
I feel like if we can attachthese big names to it, we can
we can get more out of thesethings. Yeah, And the same like
applies here. So I am,I am. I really like this movie.

(59:16):
It's very good. It makes meI was cautious about a Messiah adaptation,
and I've gone from that to likereally looking forward to the Messiah adaptation.
And I know that they'll new saysthat's as far as he wants to
go. I get that because Messiahis more or less the epilogue to the
first book, because the book kindof and the first book kind of ends

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a little open ended, and thatsort of completes that first story. And
then after that, if you wantto do Children of Doune and God Emperor
doing, it's gonna get real fuckingweird. It's gonna get real weird.
I agree where you're like, arewe gonna get worm people? What do
we? Uh? What are youup to here? You know you're like,
wait, in a fucking second,I I I did enjoy this movie

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too. I am not as astatic like I had a hard time giving
this a nine, but it isan eight point five for me because this
is above the what you normally see. I think that this is a fantastic
watch. It's worth seeing in cinema. I just don't know if it's as

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like perfect as like I would hope. But at the same time, I
really enjoyed it, really liked it. And don't get me wrong with taking
away that point five it was It'sa hard decision for me, you know,
like I don't, And I dothink this would have shaken up the
oscars had it came out originally whenit was supposed to. Yeah, a

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little bit, I think it would. I think it would have changed some
things up. But I mean like, at the same time they wanted to
give Oppenheimer it's fucking due. Ifeel like they were definitely handing it it's
rewards and it had like basically nocompetition. But if June Part two had
come out this past year, andit's because it had been pushed back,
it would have made it more interesting. It would have made it less easy

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to guess, because as I waswatching the Oscars, I guessed every single
award right except for two. Wow, that's pretty good, and even the
one and even like one of thetwo that I got wrong, it was
a pleasant wrong. It's just Ireally, man, I would love American
Fiction to win Best Adapted Screenplay,but it's probably not going to. And
then it did. I'm like,oh love that. I did think that

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this was a solid Oscars though,I feel like, you know, like
it was. Yes, in alot of it kept the bullshit to a
minimum. There wasn't much in theway of like sketches and skits and shit
that just sort of waste time.Still not perfect, but just like a
solid, like straightforward year that theydefinitely needed, especially after last year.
They were not playing around, justlike we're gonna keep this as fucking simple

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as possible. And I feel likethis this was one of the most watched
Oscars in years, and I feellike that comes from actually nominating Oppenheimer and
Barbie, you know, like whereit like those were some of the most
watched movies of the year and toignore them would have been devastating for the
Oscars. I feel like, althoughthey kind of did, since yeah,

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they nominated Barbie to appease people,but it only walked away with one award.
Yeah, but then you still gotto say Academy Award winning Barbie,
you know, it is just evenif it's specifically for Best Original Song.
And I mean I was for youknow, across the Spider Verse for winning,
just because I feel like it wasfantastic and maybe not as flawed as

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Boy and Iron. But give itto Boy and the heron. The Man's
the Goat. He deserves more thanone fucking oscar, you know, Like
I he got it for Spirited Away, That's the one everyone drools over.
It's fine, Yeah, but helost for Howell's Moving Castle to Wallace and
Grommet, you know, like,I feel like that's one of the biggest
like what is visually amazing. Thatmakes no fucking sense. I mean,

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and it's a book adaptation at thatpoint, so you actually have something that
can directly compare it to Yeah,yeah, os movie Castle is charming,
but it's nothing the same thing withBoy in the Heron. Boy in the
Heron has a little more going onfor it. But like, as far
as where it's going up to,oh, I would say, I don't
disagree with I don't disagree with Wallsand Grama, and honestly, I wish

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across the Spider Verse one, II don't know, I feel like,
you know, if you're gonna ChrisMiller said it best. It's like if
you're gonna lose an oscar, losingit to the goat is it's it's worth
it. And I'm sure it's oneof those things where I I I love
across the Spider Verse. I thinkit probably should have won. But if

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it was gonna go to anybody,uh, you know, Boy the Heron
was is the is the best animatedmovie of the year. Other than that,
you know, like I feel likethat, it's just it's pretty fair,
Like yes, I see what you'resaying that like, but I would
say Boy and the herons above.How's moving castle in my in my opinion,
you know, like and there is, I would say, so,

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yeah, I think there's a lotmore going on for it than it has
for House moving Castle. House MovingCastle is fun but kind of shallow.
But this is also just to reiteratebecause this has come up on the show
before. This is someone who's alittle hipstery when it comes to Miyazaki.
Like, I respect Miyazaki as anartist, but I feel like people think
he's the only fucking Japanese filmmaker thatexists. Yes, yeah, that that

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happens often where they're like, oh, you I haven't seen an Like I've
seen a lot of people who don'twatch anime being like, oh but I've
seen Miyazaki films, you know,like you're just like you're like, yeah,
watch something else. You know,like you're just like, yeah,
keep watching, please watch Perfect Blueor Tokyo Godfather's or something. Right,

(01:04:50):
just like change up a tiny bit. There's there's a whole fucking nation,
you know, like they have theirown awards, Academy awards, you know,
like like let's be real, youknow. But to kind of wrap
it up, guys, I reallyenjoyed Dune part two. I'm excited for
more. I definitely deserves to beon your warpshelf if yes, you know,

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and I do think I know.Vill Nuvas said that he's not gonna
jump immediately into Messiah because one,he's been focusing so much on these two
kind of needs a break with otherprojects, which I think is probably smart.
And plus there's a time skip betweenMessiah anyway, so like, let
it sit. If it's guaranteed tohappen, just like we can wait,
it's fine, yeah, exactly,And basically, yeah, go see this,

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see it in theaters. It's stillin theaters right now. See it.
I highly recommend seeing in theaters becauseit is worse. And if you're
curious enough, you can read thebook yourself. If you're an audiobook listener,
the I'm pretty sure, at leastfor the first book, the audiobook
is full cast. So that's alwaysfun. That is fun. And guys,

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