The Warped Shelf -Evil Dead: Part 2

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Hello, and welcome to the WarpShow. I'm Frank Duran, I'm Sean
Basquez, and today it's part twoof our Evil Dead gigantic review. We
are of course talking spooky stuff becauseit's Halloween. We just had our Evil
Dead episode Part one. If youhaven't heard it, go listen. It's

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our one of our most popular episodes. So thank you guys so much.
I really appreciate it. And Partone will be covering if you haven't listened
to it, go to it,because that'll be covering the original three movies
and the musical. And today wekind of talk about the rest of the
franchise, kind of what happens whenthey go, okay, it's time to

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bring Evil Dead back, you know, like cause you know, at the
end of Army of Darkness, thatwas kind of it. That was kind
of it, and that was likenineties, and then the musical was like
two thousand and three when that firststarted, and it's kind of nothing outside
of maybe the occasional video game ofvarying quality to put it there, to

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put it softly. So and thenwe get an Evil Dead remake. And
what I want to say is thatthis Evil Dead remake is we're going to
go through all of it, spawnsthe rest of what's going to happen.
Yeah, so it's like the resurgencepoint. It's the resurgence point is that

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Evil Dead gets its remake. Theygo from there and they're like, Okay,
now this is kind of spoilers,but not really because this is an
old twenty thirteen movie. But basicallythey tease Ash Williams at the end of
this movie, kind of implying thatthis is still all part of the canon
and just a different story of EvilDead, and they and then they it

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was heavily toted that they were workingon another sequel to this, so Evil
Dead would have an Evil Dead two, and then it would which is very
confusing, but I'm sure they wouldhave gone for some other title. And
and they wanted to do a movieafter that where Ash Williams is crossing over

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with Mia from Evil Dead, kindof finishing off the whole trilogy. Now
that really fell apart, it reallygot it just wasn't happening. Evil Dead
did really well the original. Thisremake it did surprisingly well, but it

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did not It did not like spawnthis insane reaction, but did spawn enough
for for them to take those ideasof the two movies after this and make
them Ash Versus the Evil Dead andEvil Dead Rise. So everything we're talking
about here is due to this firstremake movie. Is that they all spawn

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from this moment of being like okay, Sam Raimy's like, yeah, I've
always thought it would be great ifwe could remake Evil Dead in a modern
context with great filmmakers, you know. And Bruce Campbell was like, oh,
they're gonna mess up Ash Williams andand and that's how we get Ash
Williams back for Ash Versus Evil Dead. I think is him being understanding that,

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Bruce Campbell understanding that feeling of beinglike, no, they're gonna mess
up my character. And then he'slike, wait, I am that Chara,
I'm alive. I can do thatcharacter. And then we get we
basically get that in Evil Dead Now, and then we get the brand new
from this year, Evil Dead Rise, which was supposed to be the Evil

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Dead sequel to that that we gethere, which is you feel that I
feel like I just finished it thismorning, and I so I'm coming off
very fresh, and I feel Ifeel that Evil Dead Rise feels like a
direct sequel to Evil Dead more thanit does anything else, you know,

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like, even though it heavily referencesthe other movies, is very much that.
So if you guys are hopping intothis episode, you're probably hopping into
this episode for two reasons. Eitheryou love Evil Dead and you just want
to hear some Evil Dead stuff,or you're like, hey, I watched
Evil Dead wanted to and you know, I've seen parts of Army of Darkness,
or you've seen all of Army ofDarkness and you were like, what

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happens afterward? This is what we'retalking about. Everything that is the rest
of the franchise. Here. We'llalso talk a little bit and also that
question of like is it worth itwithout like Sam Raimi being as directly involved,
which he he is. He isinvolved, it's just not as the
director, you know, like buthe is producing or executive producing on all

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of these projects. So it's notyou know, out there and out of
his contry roll, but it is, uh, you know, it's not
him on the reins now, AndI think that's I think that's really cool
because we get an interesting mix here. You have basically like the prodigy for
Evil Dead, you got like SamRaimi being like Dismay, he's the he's

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the horror. He's the horror,like the new horror, like youth.
Let let him direct My Evil DeadRemain who would later go on to direct
Don't Breathe. And he's also verygood, which is not very good.
And uh, and then Astis EvilDead is really fun because Sam Ramy's working

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on it, but even more so, I've in Raymie, his brother works
on it more who's always been involvedin the in the original Evil Dead,
so it's really fun to see himkind of like take the reins at least
in writing for and Sunder episode directing, but mostly in writing for a lot
of these episodes of Astros the Dead, which I think is quite interesting.

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And then you have quite the interestingdirector in uh, Evil Dead Rises named
Lee Cronin, because I feel likeit's not somebody that I would have,
you know, pointed to as beinglike, this guy needs to direct the

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next Evil Dead movie. But Idid watch Hole in the Ground the other
day, which is his movie beforethis, twenty nineteen. I don't know
if you've seen it, Deshan,I haven't. It's on Netflix. Totally
short review, totally worth the watch. Creepy, weird, absolutely worth it.
So I was hopeful going into this. I was like, I was

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like, this guy did a Ilike this. I like a hole in
the ground. It's weird, it'sdifferent. So let me go into Evil
Dead Rise. And I think thatthat's kind of interesting too, is that
we have a you have like theProdigy, you only had a short film
before Evil Dead, and then youhave the brother who's been there the whole
time doing Astra's Evil Dead, andthen you have this guy who they were

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definitely like Studio was like, sohe did this other horror movie, you
know, like they're like, buthe wrote this, so, you know,
like that's kind of the more interestingpart here is ever, this is
the first one out of all ofthese that is very creator focused. I

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would feel like, is that theother ones have a lot of people working
on it, but this guy iswriting and directing Evil Dead Rise, and
I think that's kind of interesting becauseit's very Sam Raimie, you know,
like where he's writing and directing,you know. So I'm like, Okay,
I like that vibe, you know, like I definitely enjoy that.
Now, DeShawn, what are yourfeelings on Evil Dead because It starts off

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with a fucking bang, doesn't itfucking scene where they burned the girl.
They just need hours off. Youand I watched this for the first time.
We didn't catch it in the theaters, but we did watch it after
the fact. I remember we watchedit. I think Harry was there too,
and he was just like such atotal like horror baby. He was

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just like, oh God, thisis so oh dude, this is so
weird. Why are we watching this? This is so hardcore. To be
fair, this movie's banned in likeUkraine for being too violent, and like
several other European countries for just beingvery violent and got an NC seventeen rating
no matter how hard they tried tolower the rating. So to be fair,

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this is a gory movie, butit is but to be fit.
But then you go and watch EvilDad and you're like, they're saying,
gory enough, let's pump this babyup. It's like I was coming off
of Evil Dad to rewatch Evil Dad, and I was like, not enough,
not I send it further. That'sactually how I felt about Rise in

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a lot of places. Yeah,we're just like it doesn't it just like,
you know, this is good butyou know it ain't it ain't going
as hard as the remake did,dude, and like, so we'll we'll
get into it. But I feellike that was my problem, is that
I came from Ash Versus The EvilDead, which really leans into like everything

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that is what these demons are doing, you know, like what what they're
up to, what what like whatkind of demons, their deals, all
the all the lore. But thenEvil Dead Rise is just like it's kind
of like, yo, there wasa third volume. Then the first two
volumes you guys were fucking with,and this one combine some people that's fun.

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Then you're just like, ah,sure, but like it's also one
of those things that you come fromEvil the Evil Dead where they were sending
it with all the classic white eyeddemons, and I was kind of like,
this is fucking right, you know, like this is fucking Metalis shit,
you know, like and you're justlike, all right, all right,

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but we'll get it sold. Aswe discussed in the last episode,
when it comes to horror franchises,I'm always going to per for something that's
a little straighter and something that hasmore of a comedic leaning. So like
even though Evil Dead two is objectivelythe better movie. I tend to like
the first one more just because it'splayed. As I said last episode,

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Evil Dead two is probably my favoritehorror movie, you know, next to
the thing. You know, it'shard for me. It's like, oh,
they fight each other, but it'sdefinitely like in a top debt,
you know, for me. Sowhen it comes to horror, I like
it when it's straight so like theremake appeals to me more because it is
played even straighter than the original movie. Yes, it is a very bleak,
very just like straightforward dark. Ilove the premise that it's them taking

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their friend who's in record as likea detox, so I'm like, okay,
that's a much better incentive to belike, this is why we need
to be in this weird suited cabinin the middle of nowhere, so we
have no access to everything because we'retrying to help her go through this.
As opposed to teenagers being like,oh it's a great spot. It just
like, really, this is adinky, old fucking cabin. You're just

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like, guys, there's an Airbnbanywhere else, you know, So it
doesn't work in like modern times,So it's I do like that change.
And I like that Evil Dead remakekeeps you guessing as a fan of Evil
Dead, you come in and youknow Evil Dead. Uh, this is

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not It tries to play you onknowing you know Evil Dead. Yeah,
you know, like and I feellike that's definitely a huge point up for
this movie. I say, Iwould say my feelings on this movie are
that it is it is effective,very effective, very goal Uh and and

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it's it's almost meta in its waythat it plays you the entire time.
Yeah, and also in like thesense of just like especially with the plans
to do like a sequel to thisand then cross it over with the Ash
stuff, even before you know thatthat was a thing or like a thing
they were trying the whole like isthis a straight up retelling of the movie.

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These are all different characters with differentnames. But also the Oldsmobile is
there and like me is like sittingon it. So it's like, is
that just straight up Ash's car leftbehind? I know. I one thing
I will say after you know,rewatching all of uh these Evil Dead properties,
this this for these episodes. Uh, the Delta is a beautiful car?

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Is a is It's like it's playedas a joke. You know often
that he loves the Delta, butlike, the Delta is a gorgeous car,
I'll say it right now now,like so I and so when it's
one of those things that it's uhnot even like in uh Evil Dead Rise,

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you're kind of just like why whynot? You know, Like I
mean they made the chainsaw Delta colored, which I thought was a nice touch.
I thought that was like, oh, look it's Delta colored. But
like I was still like, wherethe fuck's the Delta? You could have
just had in the background some way, you know, liked he always finds

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a way to like sneak it inall his movies, like it's in Multiverse
of Madness. It's it would beanachronistic. So the car itself isn't in
Oz and the Great and Powerful,but he found a way to like sneak
like the engine in it're just likeJesus Christ, he's fucking wild for that.
But I it's one of those thingsthat after watching ash wast Evel Dead,

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You're just like you're like, Ilove that car. That's fucking awesome.
It's it's wild, and uh theydo, and I feel like it
just an evil dad makes you belike okay, You're like okay, and
I I do like yeah, likeyou're saying, I do like that they're
playing you being like is this isit's we said this is a remake,

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but nobody's ash here, you know, like, and then the first girl
starts to chop off her arm andyou're like, they haven't really said that
girl's name is she ash? Youknow, like you're sitting there being like,
which one is Ash? You know, like, yeah, I know
you haven't. And I feel likethat's where it's playing you, you know,
like I know you haven't seen it. But like Curse of Chucky goes

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through a similar thing. Like theseries was kind of dormant after Seed because
he Dore's garbage, and when theywere advertising Curse, people were questioning It's
like, what are we doing here? Is this a mid quol? Is
this a soft reboot? Are weignoring Bride and Seed? What are we
doing? Is this a remake oris this like a secret soft reboot or

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something? And it turns out it'sa secret soft rebut oh it's after everything.
We were just being coy about it, and I kind of like that
approach. Yes, And it's thesame way that you can make a prequel
work if people don't know it's aprequel, if it's a secret prequel.
Yes, yeah, yeah, Ifeel like that's and I feel like or

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you do something like Prey where you'rejust like, we're doing something completely fucking
different, you know, like whereit does not touch anything else, because
that's the thing about doing a prequel, like the Star Wars prequels, is
that they the drama is in howdo we get to the situation we started
in Star Wars, and which istough to do. It's tough to do,

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you know, especially if you're It'seasier to do if you're trying to
follow new characters that you don't knowwhere they might end up by the end
of this. Yeah, but ifyou're following younger versions of people we've already
established, it's hard to introduce stakeswhen you know, like where this is
gonna go at the end, Yes, exactly, because you know that person
can't die. It's one of thosethings that they do in horror movies that

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to play with you, is thatthey establish who's going to be a final
girl, and then they'll kill themoff because they know you watch a ton
of movies and you know who thefinal girl is and she's safe, you
know, like there's no way they'llkill that person, you know, like
is what you think, and thenthey they'll play you to try to get
you to be like, oh,okay, all right. And I feel

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like this goes even a step furtherthan that, where it's it's not there's
no it's like the final girl twistis even more crazy here because yeah,
because they kind of posit like theykind of posit like MIA's brothers, like
that's the leading man. Yeah,this is our Ash, you know,

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like look he's he's got he's wearinglike the simple colors, he's got the
shotgun. He's our Ash, youknow, like is basically what they're doing.
And that's what you're thinking the wholetime is your You're but you're but
you're like slightly disappointed in him ina way, you know, like where
you're just kind of like, yes, Ash is an idiot, but like

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he, you know, like heyou know, is always trying to be
there for people, you know,like and you're kind of like this David
character isn't really Ash, like buther his sister's obviously the the you know,
Mia is obviously in my head,I'm watching it going Mia is the
sister from the original movie and she'sin the basement like the original movie,

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and then for them to be like, no, the sister is you know,
sh uh Sherry Cheryl Cheryl is isis actually the hero here. You're
like, oh, I like this, like like this, And it's also
kind of cool that like the characteror like the function of that character,

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both in the original and the remake, which is just to be a victim,
especially with the tree thing gets tolike fight back is cool because they
sort of in they do and theydon't do the tree rape in the remake.
Okay, I did want to talkabout that because it was gonna come.
We talked about it last episode whereboth both Bruce Campbell and Sam Raimi

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are don't like the original tree rapescene. They don't like it, you
know, like they think it's tootoo much and they they wish they hadn't
done it. You know, wetalked about that. But it's you know,
it's it is what it is.You know, it's committed to film
now. But the this is kindof a reinvention of it. But is

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it any less violating and disturbing?No, no, it is not,
And I like it's in certain waysit's worse. Yeah, and a lot.
And that's what I was going tosay, is like in some ways,
just the going inside and then itstops is worse. Like it's it's

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somehow just so much more horrible.It's almost classic horror in a lot of
ways of like an evil spirit enteringyou, but the way it's violating her
makes it so much worse, youknow, like and and it's definitely one
of those things that this movie wasalready trying to freak you out, you
know, like by by being like, oh, yeah, the violence is

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coming, you know, like andthen it it's the way the practical effects
are sold because as as weird anddisturbing as the scene is in the original
film, effects wise it's almost comical. Now yes, yeah, but but
here you're like, ah, that'sah, that looks way too real.

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That looks If there's anything I cangive to Evil Dead, uh, is
that the effects looking credible? Incredit? It's an insane like use of
practical effects. And I love itespecially Uh you know, there's I know

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why they use digital blood in ashResthi Evil Dead, But it's one of
those things where there's a lot oflike bad cgi in that show, and
you're just like, I know whywe're using blood because so we could do
more cool things. But like,I don't like the digital blood, Like
I hate it. Even for theintro. It's like it's fun, the
intro's fun, but I hate thedigital blood. I just hate it.

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Is when is like digital blood likeever looked good. It's never looked good.
It never looks right. That's myproblem with it. It's just just
it never looks right. Guys,Like I've seen any time any movie uses
it, I see it, it'sand I immediately go eh, you know,
like instead of like and not ina like oh wow, I'm disgusted

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by the blood, it's like ayeah, that looks bad, Like what
the fuck? Where they think?Even beyond the tree thing, like,
there are just moments in here thatstill just stick out to me and I,
you know me, we always makethe joke of whether I'm broken or
everyone else are just a bunch ofwhimps, there's still stuff in here that
like gets to me, like thetree thing or the oh the needle y

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yeah, dude, and dude,I immediately when they started to do it,
so I know this is jumping around. But when they Evil Dead Rise,
when they started to do the tattoothing to the eye and they didn't
do it, I immediately was likepussies. I'm like, I was like,
what the fuck was that Evil Deadwas doing this? Like what what

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is this backwards tracking where we havethis absolutely disgusting fucking movie that blows you
away to Evil Dead Rise, whichis slightly slowing it down. They eventually
ramp it up. It does animpressive job of ramping up, but I
will say that I immediately was like, what the fuck was that? I

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was like that The Evil Dead scenewhere he stabs him in the eye is
one of the most disturbing things tome. It just fun. I immediately
like when I see that scene,I go, oh Jesus fuck, you
know, like it's just like animmediate, like visceral reaction to seeing that
happen, you know, like,yeah, I can take the like contact
to the eye. What really getsme is when he pulls it out yeah
yeah, ah god, dude,and it's just kind of like loose.

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The rest of the time, You'relike fuck me, man ah god.
And then the staple gun through thehands and then just it's just it's just
I gotta say it's brutal constantly.The effects are good, and Jane Levy
just carries this whole fucking movie onher shoulders. There's a reason why when
Fettie Alvarez did Don't Breathe, hemade her the lead. Yeah, and

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it's one of those things that yousee her doing these things and you're like,
oh, that's why, you knowsame, Raymie as executive producer was
like, yes, she's my AshWilliams, you know, like you can
see it, you know, likethat she's got these acting skills that Bruce
Campbell's got, you know, likethat where he can sell these ridiculous scenes.

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It's why I think Ash was theEvil Dead is so damn effective as
a show, is that Bruce Campbellis somehow able to sell all these ridiculous
fucking things happening, you know,Like, and I think that that's why
uh mio or Jane Levy is sogood here, is she's able to sell
all this fucking ridiculous shit. Youknow again, you're just like, holy

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crap, you know, like,I think she does a great job here
and I'm impressed. Yeah, demonstratesa lot of range, and it's one
of those things where, like Ihave a friend who really loves Evil Dead
remake. This probably probably her favoritein the whole series, just because of
how it is, and it's alwaysI feel like that could probably be an

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argument, yes, that is thatEvil Dead even though to me in a
lot of ways it kind of it'sbrutal, it's disgusting, it goes hardcore,
but it like does it impress justthis one little bit, you know,
Like maybe it's because the pacing.I don't feel like it moves as

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fast as it probably should. Idon't know that it's something about it that
doesn't make me be like, yeah, that was fuck that. Like I
am I pressed by it, andI like the movie, but I'm never
like, oh fuck, that's evenbetter than Evil Dead and Evil Dead too.
I think is that it's cover WhatI think the problem is is that

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it's covering the exact same material becauseit's going into it with a remake idea.
So for as much as it triesto like subvert your expectations and kind
of turn everything on its head,which it does, it still has it
still has the novelty, Still allthis cool stuff here but we're still covering
stuff we already know. Yes,I agree, And and I think that's

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maybe you can't separate those two becauseit's so intrinsically like linked. I think
that's probably it is that I likehow far they go with the Gore.
I don't like how far they gowith the demons, you know, like
because they kind of try to bringthe demons down to more realistic zombie like

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attacks and Evil Dead and maybe that'swhy it feels more brutal, but it
also is what I think the butand I feel like they still captured this
here in the Evil Dead. Isthat the reason why Evil Dead as a
franchise is so different than a zombieor other demons things is that they they

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really lean into that they these demonsare like evil and wanting to fuck with
you and wanting to you know,like and get like, uh, just
it's it's it's not exactly to killyou, it's to make it worse,
you know, like and I andthat's the fun of the franchise, I

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feel like, is that it's it'salways to make it worse and just to
like and it keeps getting I like, and I feel like that's just the
trade off of like grounding the remakeso much, yes, and like lightning
it so straight that like you losesomething in translation when you do it.
And I feel like that's kind ofmy issue in tone flop with Evil Dead

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Rise is that, And I feellike that's the main problem with Evil Dead
Rise. And I'm skipping around butthe tonal flop going on all over,
which you could say for all theEvil deads, I guess, but is
but Evil Dead Rise it feels moresignificant where they're trying to be as realistic
and dark as Evil Dead this remake, but they also want to have the

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ridiculousness of Evil Dead two or ashversus Evil Dead for the end of it.
And and I feel like, eventhough I love how much it devolves
at the end, there's some weirdlike tonal shit going on in Evil Dead
Rise that, Yeah, there's likethe willingness, but not like the prowess

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to pull it off. Yeah.Yeah, I think because it's not things,
it's not an easy hat trick tolike balance those two different tones.
Like that you get a Sam Raimiin there because he likes horror, but
also he grew up a huge threestooges guy so there's like that understanding of
like that balance. And people havesaid, like the way you approach scares

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and horror is not unlike the wayyou pace out comedy, Like there's they
have like a similar coroach. Yeah, because you know you do as much
as you do. You set upa joke, you set up a kill,
you set up a scare, youknow, like and same things for
you know, like you do thingsin threes for jokes, like you keep

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bringing it back, you do itagain in scares, you know, like
uh like they do like they do. And even even here with the with
Evil Dead, they keep going intothe basement for three times to really fucking
ramp up, Like we shouldn't keepgoing into this fucking terrible spot, you
know, Yeah, it keeps goingbad. You know. The reason I

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brought up like a friend loving theEvil Dead remake so much is one of
the things she brought up is thatshe loves Mia specifically as a character.
True and wish that Mia had likecarried on if we got a direct sequel,
because she's like up there for herin terms of like horror heroins,
and like that's perfect. It's completelyfair that that to me, that's completely

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fair. She's in my mind,one of the best final girls. Like
absolutely, it's so wild and cool, like her being resurrected at the end
in it actually working is just assurprising as when in Evil Dead two when
Ash somehow gets the demon out ofhim, you know, like when he

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finds. It's like, it's justas surprising as an and as effective as
that moment. And I think that'swhat that, you know, like they're
trying to do there, and Ithink that that's why it's so effective.
But I'm with you. I feellike it's like I feel like people can
have if they were going to rankthese movies, which we should save till
the end for our own rankings,but they could, you know, throw

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this Evil Dead remake at the topof the list. I know, I
don't blame them for people who havemore modern sensibilities don't like the slapstick and
just want you know, a characterstudy instead of Ash Williams, Like you,
I can see why this can bea favorite. Yeah, And you

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could also argue of it like beingthe hardest of the films in terms of
your So if you just want thatspecifically, you'll probably go to this one
a lot. Well, to befair, if we're talking Gore, nobody's
beaten these fuckers. Nobody is beatingthe seasons of Ash versus Evil true nothing
man. But Ash versus Evil Deadalso still has the comedic leaning. Yes,

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so if you want like the Gorebut also the serious tone to like
really get under your skin, it'sthere, I think, I think,
to be fair, same Raimi beinglike, I believe Evil Dead would be
a great like modern remake. Ifeel like he's exactly right. Is that
that and they accomplished it here?Is that? I feel like that's the
thing that even if I'm under youknow, slightly underwhelmed, I and it's

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only slightly I say that with thisbecause I still enjoy this movie a lot.
You know, I had a greattime rewatching it. I you know,
it's it's it's great, but it'sit's one of those things that that
that that the straightforward tone is verymuch like the original movie, but you

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don't have Bruce Campbell there, whichI feel like can't help lower the cheese
for people. And of course thestop motion affects you know, a lot
of modern audience. People don't lovestop motion, and they're wrong, but
but I mean to be fair,I respect and love stop motion. It

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always sticks out like a sword thumb. Like look, the thing which we
both love the worst effect in thatis any time to use stop motion it.
I still love those effects so much, and that they like so that
one that one shot where the tentaclegrabs the fucking detonator sticks out like a

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sore thumb. Like there's a reasonthey were supposed to do more, and
there's a reason they pulled back onit because like it just doesn't match anything
else. Yes, I agree,and I feel like it's I feel like
that was the fun for Sam Raimiwith Evil Dead and Evil Dead two,
is like he got to try stopmotion. In Evil Dead and then Evil
Dead two he actually gets to dosome like very serious high budget stop motion,

(33:16):
you know, like and then whichis like half stop motion. Yeah.
Like I also think to like inEvil Dead to the Transformation with Henrietta,
where like the long neck comes outlike that stuff where it fits,
but you need to be able todo it well so it doesn't feel like
it's sticking out like, oh,that's obviously not really there. Like I

(33:37):
just just for kicks before, Ijust wanted to put something on before I
went to bed. I watched BeatleJuice again last night, and I always
forget how good the Beetlejuice like Snakelooks in that one sequence every time.
I watched it this month too,and I was like, I was like,
damn, it looks so good.You know, like you're like you're

(33:58):
like, that's that's some impressive ship. You know, like you're just like,
god, damn, there's a lotof that movie where you're just like
Tim Burton, Oh, you wereon some other shit with this movie,
like this is the set design iscrazy. I could totally get why fucking
no one understood what that movie waswhen they were making it, well,
mostly studio wise anyway, there's justlike what they had no idea, They're
like, what the fuck even isthis? Yeah, because when you start

(34:22):
watching it, it's it's kind oflike what the fuck am I watching?
Yeah, because it kind of justthrows you in bed juice. But besides
the point, Evil Dead, Ithink it is a very impressive movie.
I think it can be your absolutely. I wouldn't even blame you if you
were like, this is the bestEvil Dead. I I do think it's

(34:45):
missing too. I think it's missingthe absolute blinding pace of Evil Dead two
for it to be up there.For me, I think Evil Dead two
as one of the best patients ofany movie fucking anywhere. And maybe that's
why I'm judging the pacing on allthe sequels so much, is that I'm

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like, well, Sam Raimi fuckingmade the perfect pace movie. What the
fuck is you know? Like,come on, move along. Even though
I don't think they lose a lotof time in this movie. I think
they do kind of move along.But I will say the other thing they
are missing and is very and youbrought it up there is the is some
canned ark demon transformations. They doit in every other Evil Dead. I

(35:30):
feel like it's a little bit missinghere. I know they're going for just
like, oh no, these arelike they're they're evil and they're dead and
you can't fucking kill them. Wellthere is. There are no transformations in
the first movie, isn't There isn'tno no no transfer, no, there
isn't. You're that's you're right,You're right. So it's just one of

(35:52):
those things that maybe I'm kind ofI've been spoiled by Astros to Evil Dead.
I feel like it's because it's focusingother than like a few like winks,
it's really focusing on like first movie. That's our bible. That's what
we're going by. Yeah. Andof course because Evil Dead two is the
most popular one or anything beyond that, you'd be like, yeah, but

(36:15):
I want more Evil Dead two inthis you could still sprinkle some more stuff
from that end. It's just like, well, they're laser focused on really
just recreating the first one, yes, or like we don't. We have
the book, but we don't reallyget into like the extended Condarian demon stuff
until the second one. Yeah,it's true, that's very true. It's
just an evil book in the firstone kind of you know, like so

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I you know, like I likethat we go deeper and deeper and keep
going deeper with the franchise and that. And that's what I meant by tonal
flip. Also in Evil Dead Riseis that they go from being like,
no, we're doing the zombies againlike Evil Dead and then they're like,
oh, yeah, we can doa Kendarian demon. Fine, No,
don't worry about it. We'll justwe'll just throw that in there and just

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and it made me happy, butit also made be like where did this?
This fucking came out of fucking nowhere, Like you guys didn't even build
this up, you know, likeyou guys are just like, oh yeah,
if you flip deeper in the book, we can combine people. That's
it. That's the that's that's whatwe're gonna do. And you're like,
I love it, But also wheredid it come from? You know,

(37:22):
like you're like, where did yougo with this? You know, like,
but but I'm sorry, I'm riledup about rise. But yeah,
because it's like fresher on your mind, it's fresh insummation, like the the
remakeer is a good time. It'seasy to see why people would like pick
it as the favorite. I liketo rewatch it a lot. It's again,

(37:42):
it's the one that probably actually grossesme out the most because it reminding
you, Yeah, like reminding youto gross de Shan out is fucking huge.
You gotta really fucking send it tofor Deshan to be like, oh
jesus, you know, like,I'm he desensitized, but that fucking dude
when he does when he blocks allthe shots with the nails into the hand

(38:06):
and then the the the crow bargoes to the crowbar splits his hand.
Yeah. Oh like, oh man, that fucked me up so bad and
it still sucks me up. Andit mostly because I then think about I
think about Robin getting the shit beatout of him with a crow bar,
and you're like, yeah, theydon't they don't show, they don't be

(38:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, You're like, hitting somebody with the crow bar is
not just a blink, you know, it's not hitting somebody with a shovel.
It's uh, it's a bladed fuckingweapon. You know. I should
just like so fucking funny that,like Deaf in the Family, I think
was like the first Batman comic Iever read. Really, Sean was like,

(38:51):
yes, it was just it wasjust the animated series and like other
cartoons and stuff like that. Andthen like one day at my local library
when you know, because of myelementary school was literally like across the street
from the public library, so wewould go over. I'm like, oh,
look Batman, Deaf and the fan, Oh my god, Robin died.
And then I read that. I'mpretty sure that was the first.

(39:15):
So starting off with some dark shit, dark shit there. Now, now
we'll get into right, So afterEvil Dead, we already said it.
They were thinking, we're gonna makea sequel to this, and then we're
going to make a combined movie that'slike kind of Ash Williams will come back

(39:35):
and he'll fight with me or whoever'slike or whatever, yeah or whatever,
and which I thought would be fuckingawesome. And I remember them talking about
that for years, and then theyscrapped it. And the thing about you
know, you know, scrapping it, is that it doesn't stop Sam Ramy,
you know, like that the studiowalking away does not stop this man.

(40:00):
And he kept working and eventually gotit picked up by Stars the you
know television which Stars is owned bywhich movie studio, some big movie studio
that owns No, I'll have tolook it up later. I can't remember
off the top of my brains.But but it's basically one of those things
that you that we kind of lost, Lionsgate, thank you, is that

(40:25):
you kind of lost a big thingthere, you know, in your little
fan brain, you lost really areally cool possibility of a sequel to Evil
the Evil Dead remake and a combinedmovie. Guys, don't worry about it,
because this is way better. Thisship is fire, my guy,

(40:46):
This ship no, I'm serious.DeShawn gave me so I haven't seen Ash
was the evil Dead. Deshaun's beentalking up to me forever. Yeah.
I watched it all as it aired, like I was like, the show
is dope, no one's watching it. It's gonna get canceled, and that's
what happens. That's what happened.And they you could definitely feel that every

(41:06):
season. They kind of have thisfeeling at the end of every season of
being like, yeah, we're definitelygetting canceled. Better just fucking send it
at the end of the season.We just start off well like it was.
It was renewed for a season twobefore season one even premiered, so
we knew we were good for atleast two. But then one season three
came out because they did the samething right when season two came out,

(41:28):
they said like season three, andthen season three came out, they were
quiet, and I'm like, uhoh uh oh oh. I i gotta
say, this is way more fun, way better and just absolutely insane than
it has any right to be.You know, like, so's it's first

(41:53):
off, it's just literally Ash beinga fucking idiot. That's that's the fucking
story. That's the that's the fuckingplot. Ash reads the Ecronomicon again after
thirty fucking years and releases Evil Dead. That's how it starts again. But
the thing is, that's what hedid the first two times. So you're
kind of like, you're kind oflike, that's that first that first episode

(42:16):
like perfectly established, just like,this is the tone we're going for.
We're playing a little straighter. It'snot full Army at Darkness. We're back
to a little bit of Evil Deadtoo, but you know, it's still
rides very sarcastic. We're definitely playinginto like the Sam Raimi approach to Ash
that the studio kind of like sandedthe edges off a little bit with Army

(42:38):
at Darkness. Is that Ash isa fucking idiot. We love it,
but he's a Dash is a himbo. Yeahsh is a himbo. But he's
you know, like or I sawa comedian say it the other day,
autism, you know, like whenthey're hot but a little autistic, you
know, and you're just like,that's fair, that's fair enough. Ash

(42:58):
is so great. They kind ofestablish it right from the first season.
Don't think like you know, andthey're like you know, ask questions,
shoot shoot. You know, lotsof other places will be like shoot first,
ask questions later, or ask questionsshoot ash figures out pretty early in
the season. Don't think, justdo and that's pretty much the fucking show.

(43:22):
Don't don't think, just do andthat's the show because it just does
that in such a great way whereit is full of fans service. It
builds on what was established in theoriginals three movies. It has so much
fun with Dead heites, insane amountof fun with Dead Heightes, and then

(43:46):
just kind of builds the lore up. It's in a way you really wanted.
It's the Evil Dead like sequels youwanted post ar Me in Darkness,
like those three seasons. There yougo. That's Evil Dead, four,
five, and six. It Iguys, not even joking, He's right,
like I do. I will sayone thing that I think brings down

(44:07):
this show is that they definitely goback to the cabin a little too fucking
much. Yeah, but I lovewhen they go back to the cabin.
It's one of those things that you'relike, you went back to the cabin
too much, but every time youdo, it's a good time. So
I'm kind of upset, but notreally like when they go back to the
grounds in the third season, likethe cabin is gone, that they don't

(44:28):
pull that back, but at leastthey do something in the woods there.
Yeah, but like it also itfelt like we didn't need to do that,
But at the same time, II'm cool with it. It's one
of those things that the the CandarianDagger never is useful. That's like the
point of the Candarian Dagger is thatSam Ramy's putting it in there for the

(44:52):
people to feel like I have aweapon, but it's not really a fucking
weapon. But in this show wefind we get why the cand Area Dagger
is fucking badass as shit and whyyou like it's actually a fucking weapon,
like it actually can kill things,and like I really love that part of

(45:14):
this show. It kind of likeencapsulates this show. It's like, no
can the Candarian dagger in Evil Deadone, Evil Dead two? You know
it even even in the Evil Deadand Evil Dead Rise, which they replace
carn Aaron Dagger with Staffen, isjust useless. It doesn't actually kill anything.

(45:38):
It just makes you feel good.And I always love that about it,
is that they're like whoa a mysticaldagger and it doesn't do shit And
you're just like, nope, chainsawsand shotguns, that's what doesn't you know?
Like, and then I love thatthis show goes no, no,
no, no no, the Candariandagger is the only thing that can kill
Candarian demons and you're like, oh, and then they play with that a

(46:02):
lot, and I I really enjoythat that. That's the kind of vibe
this show's doing the whole time,is just being like, so that thing
that was useless in uh, theoriginal movies, we're using it heavy here,
you know. Yeah, And you'relike, oh, all right,
I will say, at first,you're gonna watch the show and you're gonna

(46:24):
be like, Okay, who thefuck is is Paco and Kelly? You
know, like it's kind of oneof those Pablo Sorry, sorry I didn't
Ash Williams there called him Paco,But Pablo and and and Kelly are You're
kind of like why are they here? At first? Like you're kind of

(46:45):
like they they're obviously the smart employeesthat are tagging along, and then Value
Mart now val and interesting thing aboutAssus Evil Dead is that they again it
always fuck it, we do this. This happens every single time, as
we talked about in the last episodewhere Evil Dead two couldn't use the footage

(47:08):
from Evil Dead one so they justremade it. Army of Darkness couldn't use
the footage from either, so theyjust remade it again. Here, Okay,
we can use footage from Evil Deadone and two, but we can't
use anything from Army of Darkness,so we can reference that it happened,
but we have to be KOI aboutit. But not even cool, what
are you talking about? KOI aboutit? He literally goes like the whole

(47:30):
plot in the second season is thembeing like, oh, yeah, I
went back in time, might aswell keep going back in time. Yeah,
but that's also how Evil Dead twowins. Yeah. Right, it's
just like, okay, so youcan say I went and it is in
two. You're right, it's true. You can say like, I went
to the Middle Ages, because hegoes to the Middle Ages at the end

(47:51):
of two, So they're not breakinganything there. That's crazy the thing.
Yeah, but they can't say assmart specifically. But also it's also been
like years. It's also been likeyears, so it's not too outside the
rum of possibility. To be like, oh, smart isn't a thing anymore,
son a chain that exists or gotbought it got bought up its value
mark in the same way that likekmart is barely around anymore, right,

(48:15):
Yeah, no, And seriously,I don't want to go into a kmart,
So it's one of those things.If I see one, I ain't
going in. It was always thefluorescent lights. They made it feel green
and dingy. You know. Yeah, I never liked going into kmarts.
I was like, the vibe isbad. Let me get the fuck out
of here. But but I knowwhat you're saying, where like aims are
gone, you know. Yeah,but either way, they just they couldn't

(48:37):
directly pull from our mad Darkness oruse footage from it, so they only
lucked out in that Evil Dead twohas that cliffhanger ending, so they can
still refer to the fact that like, yeah, I went back in time,
that's a whole other thing. Wedon't need to really get into it.
I thought that that's but much fun. But the show also has the

(49:00):
the musical approach to it where theyjust kind of combine the first two movies,
so just like, don't think aboutit too hard. Both happened.
It's safe to assume that Evil Deadone happened as usual, and we just
kind of picked up as soon asthe camera hits Ash, we pick up
into Evil Dead two, and wejust combine them don't think about it,

(49:20):
don't think about it, and it'sall. But they also visually signify it,
which I thought was really cool.So in season it's season two that
they go back to Ash's hometown andthey are you know, like they go
to his house and they literally seeher door, they see her door,

(49:43):
and they and they do this momentwhere it kind of flashes back and forth
and he looks at it like he'strying to remember. And I like that
moment because it's kind of like avery like don't think about it. We've
combined these things and it snap boththings. Okay, shut the fuck up,
you know. And also and alsoa case of like maybe it's like

(50:05):
that was a traumatic event, somaybe Ash doesn't remember it too clearly.
It's all just a violent blur ofnonsense exactly. And and they kind of
imply that whenever they show flashbacks,is that he doesn't you know, he
remembers things, but like it isjust chaos, you know, like and
you're just like yeah, fair youknow, like you're like fair enough.

(50:27):
But I think that that's such agreat visual moment too, like a piece
of directing. I think it wasseason two, the joke, the joke
that Ashton makes when they're in thehigh school where he's just like, oh,
it's where I met my first Linda. Yeah no, that's in season
three, and I fucking lost itwhen he said that. He's like,

(50:49):
he's like, oh, yeah,that's where I met my first Linda.
I was like first Linda. Iwas like, I was like Jesus,
I was like Jesus fucked like,but I thought that was awesome. Like,
I think that it's kind of likeI think that's kind of the additude
is they kind of just lean intoeverything that is evil Dead, even if
it's weird. You know, likeit's kind of like does that not line
up? Give a fuck, it'sevil Dead. Let's go, you know,

(51:13):
like let's keep moving, just beinglike, yeah, sometimes the continuity
doesn't match whatever, let's just havefun and make fun of it. I
I will. I like season one. I like Season one. I think
it's a lot of fun. II of course, I think the real
show stealer of this entire show otherthan Bruce Campbell is Lucy Lawless. Her

(51:37):
just being here elevates the show.She does a great job. You could
tell she's having a fucking blast,Like every time she's doing like a bloody,
disgusting scene, you can kind ofsee this like smile behind her eyes
that I always think of a goodtime. I always think of the bit
in season three where astress rams achainsaw through or some I think it's whoever

(52:00):
rams the chains all through her stomachand she's just she's practically like giddy about
it, yes, right, likesuper excited about it. I love that,
And it makes sense because and youdidn't even know this until like we've
talked about it. But like SamRaimi was a producer on Zena, so
he knows Lucy Lawless and he's alsofamiliar with New Zealand production, which is

(52:22):
why I asked versus Evil Dead wasshot there because his cheap baby baby that's
why the rings shot there. Texpretty also, but I totally forgot that
Samura Weaving was in season one likeright before her career kind of took off.
Right, Oh shit, what up? It's true? You're like,

(52:44):
oh, I was surprised when theystraight up killed her because they were kind
of like building her up to beinglike you're in this show, you know,
like you are this, you arethe cop, and you are you
know, like you are gonna bewith Pablo and Kelly. That they just
killed her and I was like,oh damn. Like I was like,
okay, like that's I was like, some balls on this show. I'm

(53:07):
not talking about the cop. I'mtalking about the passerbys when they're at the
cabin. Oh, I'm blonde.You are exactly right, Yeah, the
blonde girl that Pablo is crushing on. That Samura weaving from like ready or
not? Sorry, you're right,I'm sorry. I was combined. I
was combining names, but yes,because I remember thinking the same thing.
I was like I know that face. Like I was like, I was

(53:29):
like where did where is she from? And then I had to like imbd
her and I was like, oh, ow in case you didn't know,
Frank, this this is what ornot? In case you didn't know,
folks, this is what Frank doeswhen we watch stuff, Like if it
sticks in his craw and he can'trecognize it, he'll just like IMDb it
like right, in front of you. We gotta know, we have to

(53:50):
know all I gotta know. Wealways want to know how the sausage is
made. It's true, since it'shalf the fun, you know, I
watch the movies sometimes it is knowinghow sausages. Yeah, because I also
rewatched this. I wasn't gonna workon memory because I hadn't watched it since
it first aired. Yeah, soI rewatched it. I just I just

(54:12):
made it a part of like thethirty movies that I watched with Alex.
It's just like, let's just throwAstras evil Dead in there. We can
pretty much get through a season eachin one sitting. Yeah, because because
it's relatively easy to get through.Yeah, it's like two and a half
per disk, so like five fivehours for a season or so. So

(54:32):
Yeah, not too bad. Nothingcrazy. Yeah, it's not that hard
to feel crushable. But a seasonone I think still holds up. It's
a lot of fun. It's goodsetup. It expands the lore, like
we find out that Ruby created theNecronomicon and stuff like that. We get
into more of like the Dark Onestuff, especially later on. I think
the time, I feel like Iwant to say I do love the twist,

(54:54):
the many twists of Ruby throughout thisshow. I will say, because
they play you being like Ruby isthe sister of the the girl who comes
into the cabin and Evil Dead two. What's her name? I'm blanking on
a character. I'm forgetting her nametoo. Yeah, I know what you
mean, right, but they putbut they're basically like, she's the sister,

(55:17):
she's the daughter of the original professors, is basically what they're implying.
And then then you basically see herdie after like three or four episodes,
and you're like, what the fuck, Like, you know, like this
vengeful person who's been trying to killAsh, you know, like kind of
a cool plot point, and thenthey just kill her and I was like,

(55:38):
I was like, what's going onhere? And then literally the next
episode she walks out of the ashesof a fire and you're like, something's
something's something's up and uh and uh. I That's when I was like,
Oh, Lucy Lawless is having waytoo much fun with this role. I
went from being like she's having agood but they don't have her a lot

(56:00):
in these episodes to being like,oh no, they are about to like
do some shit with this character.Just the way it like widens the net
is very effective. I feel likethe only period and I felt this both
when it was airing and rewatching itagain. The only point in which I
feel like Season one kind of likeSAgs is when we get to like the

(56:21):
militia stuff. Yeah. Yeah,it's just it's very much a filler episode.
Yeah, that's what I feel like. Things start to kind of slow
down because it's just like one lastobstacle before we just get to the cabin
and get the shit done. Yeah, I will say that that's yeah,
it moves. The season moves prettywell. I wouldn't say, and is

(56:42):
set up ahead of time, butit's still like that's the only point in
the season where it's just like,Okay, we're starting to like kind of
sag in the middle here. Iwould say it's hard to pick between season
two and three as my favorite.They are both very good, very fun,
and bonkers. I think season onedoes a good job being bonkers,

(57:04):
but h season two and three arelike, what we know what we're fucking
doing now, and they fucking gohard. I feel like in in so
many ways, and I feel likeseason one's good, but two and three
I'm like that's that's my fucking shit. Yeah, it's one of those things
for like season one walks, solike the following seasons can run, yes,
because season two and three both justhit the ground running and they they

(57:30):
kind of here they go back tothe cabin, which I think is a
very logical way to conclude season one, is they go back to the cab.
They've been fighting evil Dead the wholeseason. They finally go, hey,
we need to go back to thecabin and bury the book there,
and they and I think that's avery logical way to do the show.
It's like, it's exactly what youwant, it's exactly the way it should

(57:52):
be heading. But you know,you're it's it's kind of like Ash fighting
a new evil at the same place. So it doesn't it's fun. It's
fun. Yeah, But I thinkthe going back to the cabin in season
two, even though I was kindof like, we're going back to the

(58:14):
cabin again, but we were backin time in the eighties before Ash shows
up, Uh, is way morefun. Learning about Henrietta and her husband
is fucking awesome. And see,I'm sure half of it was an excuse
to just get Ivan Raimie and theHenrietta makeup again, right, Like,

(58:36):
holy fuck though, is did theydo a good job with that? With
that with the makeup there, You'rejust like, oh shit, like okay,
I really love I think it's Ithink they do a fun job of
doing you know, dead heights inseason one. But once we get into
season two, they start doing likeCarndaria Demon trans yeah once and beyond traditional

(59:00):
dead ice and start to do morecreative stuff like Ruby's children and stuff like
that. And we get into likeBall, You're like, yeah, this,
we're starting to like really widen theuniverse now. And I've yeah,
Ball felt like the biggest swing inthis hole in this in this whole show.
It feels like the most not connectedthing going on, and it works,

(59:22):
you know, like is that Ballis never mentioned in any of the
fucking things, you know, likeit maybe they say his name maybe,
but they don't say like you're neverlike Ball the Demon, you know,
like it's not you know, likethey mentioned Kandor, but they don't.
Nobody ever has mentioned Ball before this, and he's brought in as like even

(59:45):
like is in control of Ruby,who's been the big bad this whole time,
and you're kind of like okay,and and it works. It expands
on the demon lore. It's wildand different than what we're used to with,
uh, you know, like withbody snatching and shit like that.
I feel like they change it changesup the body snatching from just being like,

(01:00:07):
oh, they're dead, they're deadheights to being like, oh shit,
that's ball, you know, like, ah shit, that's ball,
you know. And I feel likethat's when you're like, okay, show,
We're we're really doing it, youknow, like this is this is
something completely different. Now we arenot just doing Evil Dead one and two

(01:00:29):
again, you know, or youknow, like this That's why I feel
that it's like Ball is sort ofa weird part of the plot. But
I feel like it's where I startedto be like, oh I love this
show, you know, like causeI was like I was like, oh,
it's doing something completely different now,you know, like we are we
are beyond the cabins, you know, like and I was like that's fucking

(01:00:52):
cool. You know. Yeah.I just I do agree with you that
they do like lean on the cabina little too much. Feel like if
you were going to go back,you played that card once and then you
don't do it again. Yeah,And it was kind of like they played
it for them to go back,and then they played it again to try
to be like let's go back intime and try to get rid of it,

(01:01:14):
which it's so much better the secondtime that I'll forgive it. But
it is one of those things thatI'm like, you're exactly right Toean.
I'm like kind of like, wego to the cabin one time, we're
done. Yeah, all right,yeah, let's keep moving on, which
is why I was slightly into Riseas I was like, all right,
let's never touch the cabin again.Let's keep it, you know, like

(01:01:35):
move, move away from it.It's fine. I even like that Rise
like sort of bates you into thinkingit's going into that wit it's opening and
you're like, nope, no,no, it's fretty. I do.
I do enjoy the opening. Butseason three starts to like really get into
like the dark Ones stuff of likethe origins of the Necronomicon and like where
these demons come from and stuff arelike shit, all this precious lore and

(01:02:00):
that. And that's the thing isI feel like I will say, you
know, we're raving this show.This is not everyone's cup of tea.
You probably already knew that, goinglike, oh, an Evil Dead show
that's probably gonna be bloody and disgusting. No, this is gonna be way
more bloody and discussing bloody and disgusting. Its crass like it is. It

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is kind of like the horror showthat we would have dreamed of years ago,
back when TV didn't have like theability to do stuff like this.
Yeah, because there's I will say, it's hard to do TV horror.
It's really hard. It's just theway episodic format is. You know,

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It's like I love X Files,I love Doctor Who, but there's very
few episodes that are able to capturehorror, you know, like actually scary,
you know, like and there isthere is some you know, even
Star Trek has some scary episodes.But I think Evil as the Evil Dead
is able to keep some horror vibesup pretty effectively, uh, throughout this

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entire thing, you know, likeactually keep it kind of frightening and gross
and you're just like al right,okay, like and sometimes all three at
the same time the same time.Like like I asked you when you started
season two. I asked you,like, did you get to the scene
in the Morgue. Yeah, becausethe scene the Morgue is I think it

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might be the reason to watch theshow. I say that very tentatively,
but it is. It's so incredible, you know, and scary and hilarious.
That moment where he gets pulled up. I laughed so hard, I
got lightheaded. I was fucking dead, you know, when he's like not

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up the air. I was,I was losing. It's so like,
it's it's those scenes that make meso happy for this show because it's it's
Bruce. Like I said earlier,Bruce Campbell can sell anything, and he
proves it in this show. Hefucking sells every weird situation he's in,

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and he's able to sell that he'sfighting an intestine monster that somehow drags him
up a man's ass, uh andand and it's just it's one of those
things where, yes, it's afunny scene and it's it's gross and like
it's funny, but also I feellike you have to give credit to Bruce

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Campbell. He fucking sells it.He like you you you, he feels
in it. It feels one hundredpercent. I give completely. The man's
one of the best Lima Actors Aliveand we under credit him, and it's
just he even under credits himself.I remember, like a few years ago,
like around the convention circuit before astrosIs, Evil Dead was the thing.

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You know, fans would all thiscup up and ask him, are
you ever gonna do another Evil Dead? Let's do another evil You're gonna play
as again? And he would alwayssay like, I'm too old for that
now, And of course the fandomwould collectively be like no, no,
you're not. No you're not,And that's exactly what happens here is like
no, you are not, andthat makes it even better, you know,

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Like I I think that having notan old Ash here makes it pretty
great. I was wondering if theywere going to do with like you know,
all the Ash clone babies that theywere doing over the seasons, if
there was gonna be like a younghandsome Ash he had to fight, uh,
you know, like I was excitedabout that, but then they always

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did like older Ash he's fighting.Yeah, Like theoretically that's fine that one
phone that makes should be a youngAsh, but it's just one of those
things, are like it's really justI'm sure they're like, we don't have
the fucking money to like try todage him or anything like that. Yeah,
the agent or you would have torecap somebody, you know, like

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get somebody who it looks like ayoung Ash Williams. If this was Yeah,
if this was Disney, they wouldhave been like, it's Mark Hampibell's
body. They would have been like, here, we didn't we Mark Ham,
Like, yeah, we dee fakedthem. They absolutely would have because
they because they definitely are just kindof working with what they have here.

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And I kind of appreciate that.Also about and we've also talked about how
like limitations can breed creativity, especiallyfor horror. Yes, now, and
that we brought up the Morge scene, but that's it's it's bloody and disgusting,
But it's only part of how bloodyand disgusting. I want to get

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that across here, is that there'sa lot of violent. Like we were
saying horror shows, it's hard todo horror. It's also hard to do
gore on television, you know,like it's just not it's just it's just
not possible. You can't do it. This is straight up movie gore.
The entire fucking time, non stop, blood everywhere, body parts everywhere,

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It's non stop the entire time.If you're a Gore fan, I gotta
tell you, this is the fuckingshow for you. This fucking goes over
the top constantly with it and isimpressive most of the time. There is
some really bad CGI, but you'reagain, you're kind of like, it's
a TV show. I'm gonna fuckinglet it go. I'm gonna I'm just

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gonna fucking let it go, youknow, like, but there is moments
where you're like, yeah, it'salso it's also it also helps that it's
also a comedic show, which Ithink also makes it easier to forgive in
the same way that like, Ilike Drag Me to Hell. But God,
some of the effects and that areso fucking bad, so fucking bad.

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I I will say one of theweirdly good CGI. There was several
good CGI effects in the final season. I will say. There was some
bad CGI in their earlier seasons.I will but the good ones that I
was actually surprised by are the cellPhone Demon, which I thought would look
really bad, but for some reasonthat works for me. I'm totally fine

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with that cell phone demon. Ithought that was great. I think it's
a little insulting that they make Ash'sdaughter fight instead of like her hand,
they make her fight her cell phone. I think it's it's not sexist,
but it's very close to agis,you know. It's all I was gonna
say that, like, it's lesssexist and more like older people. Oh

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these kids, Oh these kids.Yeah, it has that kind of energy
to it. It does. Ithink that's a great scene talking about she
another cells that she could be BruceCampbell's daughter. She's really good. In
the third season, that's like oneof those plot points for like on papers,
It's like, I don't know aboutthat. Do we need to like

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do that? We don't want towant to go that in that round?
Well, I will say that thatworks. Yeah, I will say I
had a hard time choosing between two, season two and three as my favorite,
but three does things that I wouldnot expect to work several times.
And it's the reason why I thinkit's one of the best TV show endings
fucking ever is that it literally delivers. It delivers. Guys. Uh,

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first off, says I'm gonna doa strange daughter, and you're like,
you're like, oh, don't dothat. That sounds weird and strange that
you're gonna just Ash has a daughter. They somehow make this work and build
it in and make you give ashit, and you're like, Okay,
I didn't think I would care,but you made it, you like really

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worked this into the plot and madeyou care about his daughter and him wanting
to like be a good dad andlike try to do his best. Like
it it somehow works when it's sosuch a cheesy plot point anywhere else,
you know, like it's it's oneof those things that I was like,
oh, but then they bring itthrough. And the other thing that makes

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it one of the best TV showendings ever is that a lot of shows
try to devolve to an apocalypse atthe end, you know, like they
try to you know, like,oh, it's the end of the world,
and then they do some sort ofyou know, I immediately point at
Game of Thrones, it's the endof winter, fills about to fall,
the ice King's about to win.All Aria does is drop a knife stab

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them, So you don't have likea true win, you have like a
literal like a sleight of hand,and they won. That's like, you
know, it's mostly the problem ofputting your characters in an impossible situation.
It's something you always want to buildup when you're writing a story. You
want to build up to the climaxfeeling impossible for your characters to beat,

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which is what they're doing here.At the end of Ash's Evil Dead,
they're kind of like, Nope,the Evil Dead's the ancient ones are loose.
Uh they have released Condar, anduh, all the town is now
dead eyes. You're fucked, youknow. That was another instance of a
pretty good CG was Condar because likeyou a giant demon, You're like,

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ooh, on a TV budget,let's see, And it actually looked really
good. It looks really good.But they somehow are able to uh do
Ash fighting you know, all theall the dead eyes throughout town and him
fight the giant demon and it notfeel out of character, a sleight of

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hand, tricky in any ways,Ash literally goes up and does what he
meant to do. He gets ina fucking tank, lows up the Condarian
dagger as a shell and launches itinto that fucking demon. And I gotta
say, I fucking love that.I love that. A show was just
like yeah, that's what he's gonnado, and that's what he fucking does,

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you know, like and you're justlike hell yeah. And then that
it just ends and jumps to likeoh yeah, it's mad Max time and
the Knight's fucking saved you and nowyou gotta you gotta keep fighting. The
good fight made me be like,I fucking love this ending. What a
great ending. Yeah, it's that'sawesome. It's it wasn't supposed to be
the intended ending, like they hadplans for a season four, but I

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feel like it's a good place tostop accidentally, like one it brings a
full circle because that was basically theoriginal intended ending for Army and Darkness was
that like, oops, I fuckedup again and now I'm in a dystopey
in future. So Sam Raimi finallygets to do that, and the idea
of like, oh he gets thekind of the adventure on never ends,

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always on to the next thing exactlylike it feels satisfied the right ending.
It's a satisfying ending, uh,first off, because you get everyone back
to life at the end. Ifeel like they do a good job of
bringing uh you know, like Kelly'sback and like everybody there, everybody's healed,
the daughter is saved, you know, like everybody is safe, and

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his Ash going off to face theending. You kind of it's very satisfying
in a way where you're just like, yeah, this is you know,
he had to go Manu Mono,he's the l heve he had to do
it, you know, like thisis what it was meant to do.
And then he does it, andI was just like, it's one of
those things that a lot of showsare like, yeah, here's the Apocalypse,
We're gonna do the apocalypse, andthen they like low budget it,

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they don't go all out. Theykind of don't fucking do the ending as
big as it should. This isa huge, like big budget ending,
and it feels great. What I'veliked a fucking mad max ass season of
as then well yes, but absolutelyeven if you don't like you don't get

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like the conclusion conclusion, we justkind of ride off into the sunset into
another adventure. I mean we hadAsh defeat Condar, Like that's pretty fucking
conclusive. Pretty conclusive, and yeah, and and like send the Dark Ones
a way and defeat Ruby, youknow, like it's it's over. You
know, like, which is theycould have kept going and I would have

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loved to see more. But I'mcool with it, you know, like
I really enjoyed these. I thinkthat these Shawn, thank you for letting
me borrow. Guys, if youhave not watched Evil Dead and you're thinking
like, oh, I love EvilDead, but like I don't think the
TV show about it will work,You're wrong. It really does. It

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works. You wouldn't think it would, but it does. Would. You
wouldn't think it would. It's reallylike the main thing about it. You
really wouldn't think it would. Butthat's kind of the show is that you're
like, none of this should fuckingwork, and it still does, and
you're like, all right, Soguys, we've been talking a lot about
Dead because it's a lot of content, but let's go into Evil Dead Rise

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before we do Rise. I've onlyplayed a little bit of it, but
I do want to just point outthe attention to detail I appreciate with the
new Evil Dead game, especially sincewe did play. It's susly since you've
watched as versus Evil Dead and we'vetalked about like the rights issues and stuff
like that. The ship that theywere able to pull off with this game
is pretty impressive one. It doesplay in a similar way to like Friday

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at thirteen for your Dead by Daylight, but there's more polish there, so
it's like runs a lot Stabler asAsh, then you can play as a
Deadites but Likedites, you can youcan kill. You can play very little
about this game. Yeah, that'swhy I'm asking if you can play as
Ash or any of like not justAsh. You can play as every version

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of Ash, like Evil Dead oneToo, Army of Darkness, the show
Everything. Kelly and Pablo are boththere as playable characters like every variation,
so you have like that and alsoplaying like the Evil itself in the same
way that like you get to playas Jason. You're either a camp counsel
or you're Jason. They do thesame thing there. It's a pretty fun

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game. I need to play moreof it. But just the idea that
like the amount of rights issues thisfranchise always has whenever we make a new
one, the fact that they wereable to actually get all of this stuff
in here, like oh, wegot everything from the movies and the shows,
and I mean to talk on it. Other modern things that are happening
right now as Evil Dead. Thenext expansion of Magic the Gathering is Evil

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Dead, like literally Evil Dead Magicthe Gathering Cards guys like so if you
I'm sure, I'm sure they're likethe magic purists like, ah a gad
just so mad. I mean yeah, ever since the debacle of the One

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Ring card, I feel like they'rebeing very sensitive with their properties at the
moment. So it's all that andlike you have magic purists that, like
even the idea of when they starteddoing license stuff like just irritates them.
Yeah. I know. Yeah.As a as a guy who grew up
playing Magic the Gathering, I don'tlike it. It's one of those things

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that I one of the things Iloved about Magic the Gathering was the weird
lore and a world they were alwayscreating with the magic cards, you know,
like that there was something going onbehind it. So for them to
just be like there's Lord the Ringsones now, and there's Evil Dead ones
now and like and Doctor Who andyou're just kind of like, that's cool.

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It's it's a cool concept, butthat's not what this game is,
you know, Like that's not whatI came to play Magic the Gathering for
you know, like, but atthe same time, we would never get
an actually good Doctor Who card game. We would never get actually good Evil
Dead card game, and you wouldnever get and actually good Lord of the

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Rings card game because I've played themand they all fucking suck. I'm sorry
they're not good. The car theLord of the Rings card game was asked,
it just made me want to playHeartstone, which is the worst compliment
I could give. Any game whereyou're just like, oh, did it
make me want to do crack?Like is basically it, you know,
like you're like, fuck off.But the uh, it's so like that's

(01:18:23):
what I'm slightly for with those thingsis I'm kind of like, I hate
that you're ditching like the Magic theGathering universe for properties, but at the
same time, I would never getto hold Ash Williams the Magic the Gathering
card you know, otherwise, youknow, or an Ash that Williams,
you know, a full Evil Deadcard game that would actually be good,

(01:18:44):
you know, like It's like andif I'm wrong, guys, please comment
down below with a link to theAmazon card game for any of these that
I'm not playing, please I wantto play them. I'm a card game.
When I gave into a card game, it's fucking I get into it.
Yeah, I'm not. I'm nota big card game player, but
I understand the plight of like thepurists. Yes, I yeah, exactly.

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Now. So for the video gamethough that I did see it on
sale the other week and it's it'sdoing well. Is there a future of
that it will go down and youshouldn't own this game? Kind of like
Jaye five the thirteenth, you know, where you could only play with your

(01:19:26):
friends and that's it at this point, you know, like, I don't
know, only because with games likethat, I don't play with Rando's ever
anyway. Yes, like Rando's annoyingme, So I just I'm always playing
with just the usual crew anytime.So who knows, I don't know.
I never know what the lasting powerof games like this will be. Whenever

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you make a game that's like solelymultiplayer, it always has a limited time
Spanish. True, Wow, yousay that. How many years of Fortnite's
going on? Now? You know, like I thought that would be dead
by this point and now it's fefucking insanely big. True. True.
But I saw an ad the otherday by the way, which was so
fucking funny. Uh. They werelike, you know, you get all

(01:20:09):
the better help ads all the time, and then you get uh. This
guy had I'm a counselor who willplay Fortnite with you in your squad and
we'll have a thirty minute session thatway. And I was like, I'm
glad that these people can get therapy, but this is very strange. I
was like, this is it's sofunny when one deserves access to therapy.
But what I hate that, Like, I thought the Fortnite reference in Avengers

(01:20:32):
endgame was gonna feel dated in likea couple months, and it's still fucking
relevant, right. Agree. It'sone of those things where you're like,
I remember seeing the theater going oh, the reference Fortnite, and you're just
like, but now years later,you're like, they're still playing Fortnite.
You know, like, shit,we're beyond a five year time skip and
they're still fucking playing Fortnite. Minecraftis, though, eventually shut down,

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service stops, and even if it'ssuccessful, they usually move on to like
a sequel. It's why I thinka lot of people stick to Steam other
than going to like an Epic storeor any other game launcher is that they've
learned from the random game launchers thatthey'll go down and then you just lose
your games. Yeah, like,and I feel like that's the reason why

(01:21:23):
people stick with Steam is they knowthat that's the point of the company and
that's what they work to do,and that's how they make their profit,
you know. Yeah, And theywere also the first one to the race,
They've been around the longest. They'rethe most stable because of just years
of fucking Valve being on top ofit, and the sales are always insane.
Yeah. But and it's one ofthose things that you know, you
should always be hesitant when you're notgetting physical media, I know. We

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that's the point of the show,guys, is the warp shelf. What
are you gonna put on your shelf? And I think that that's one of
the dangerous parts about these online onlymultiplayer games is that they will dis appear
to history, will literally go awayat a certain point. If it's a
license game, especially you're fucked fuckedlike Scott Pilgrim wasn't available for an entire

(01:22:13):
console generation. It was on thep S three and three sixty. Then
the rights lapse from Universal and itwas just gone until they re released it.
It's crazy. That's why when LimitedRun made copies of it, I
got fucking two. Uh. Andit's it, you know, it's it's
we're coming into a more digital agewhere it's like, oh yeah, just

(01:22:34):
get a digital that worry about it, Guys, worry about it. With
the people collapsing, you should befucking worried about it or being bought up,
you know, like with Fundimation beingbought up into Sony and Crunchy Role
and they're still sitting there being likeyou'll pay for Fundimation still, right,
and you're like, just become Crunchyroll. Stop this you know, more

(01:22:56):
or less has already it has.They're just kind of getting the money from
the people who don't understand what's goingon, is what I think, you
know, Like you're just like afucking but besides the point, we're going
off Evil Dead Rise Newest twenty twentythree, correct, right, I'm not
saying that right, No. Twentythree this year, So a lot of

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people were saying to me that theywere like, this is my favorite horror
movie of this year, and I'mkind of like, I hope there's a
better horror this year, you know, not because because I did. I
So my problem with this, ofcourse, is that I'm coming off three
seats of this beautiful bitch, youknow, I'm coming off three seasons of

(01:23:41):
Asters Evil Dead. I'm coming offEvil Dead watching it. I'm going into
Evil Dead Rise. And I thinkthey're doing a lot of fun things.
I think this is a fun moviethat's really swinging at points, and I
enjoy that. I need a horrormovie to swing, you know, like
I don't want it to hold back, like when they held back on the

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I thing was my only time thatI was like, well, you guys
are holding back? What the fuckis this shit? But otherwise it goes
pretty full throttle when it hits it. But I think that my expectations were
a little high going in, andI was trying not to cause I was
like, I was like, Iknow the reviews aren't crazy for this movie.
I know it's not supposed to beanything amazing, but I still went

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in being like fucking you know like, And I think that that was my
issue is that if I had justbeen like, yeah, I'm more Evil
Dead, instead of being like,give me something fucking good, I you
know, like and That's kind ofwhat I would say my review is here.
If you are an Evil Dead fan, this is it, guys.
This is fun. It's more youknow, it's more dead. It's fun

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and I had a good time.I think it's biggest positive is that it
just kind of opens things up byintroducing another book and basically by the end
being like, we don't even reallyneed the Necronomicon necessarily, and we definitely
don't need the Cabin. We canmaybe even just turning this into an anthology

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where we just tell Evil Dead storiesand fuck the continuity. I'm like,
yeah, why not, I don'tcare, Yeah, why not? And
that's kind of what this feels like, is that this sort of feels like,
you know, with all the otherEvil deads very much leaning into the
Cabin, this feels like an anthologyin a way. You know, it
feels like it's just part of theEvil Dead universe, you know, And

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that's not bad. That's that's notIt's definitely not bad. I think that
that's actually probably the best idea notto be like me is here, you
know, somewhere or ashes around heresomewhere, like, yes, would I
have loved that at the end,you know, the gates closing, and
then a hand stops the gate fromclosing, and then it's fucking Ash Williams

(01:25:54):
to chop them up. Yeah,I would have loved that. But that's
not what this is, you know, like, that's not that's not what
this movie is. Now, asI'm saying that, yes, this is
very different and it's trying to bedifferent, it definitely loves its Evil Dead.
Lots of Evil Dead references all throughoutthis. They repeat line dead by

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Dawn, you know, they dothe whole dead by Dawn thing, and
which was removed from the Evil Deadactually, I mean from Evil Dead remake.
They had a Dead by Dawn sceneand it's in the trailer and it's
not in the movie, which Ithought is quite interesting actually, so you
have to see like the director's cutto see that scene. But I think

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that the I think that this moviedoes a great job of going from starting
off strong being kind of like okay, we're starting off, and then devolving,
you know, like it's kind ofit does a good job of doing
the very classic Evil Dead like thisjust keeps getting way worse, like this

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is just so bad, you know, like and and I think that they
do a good job of that.Is that it uh it is. It
feels evil dead, you know,like you are not sitting there being like
this isn't evil dead, this isstupid. You are definitely like, no,
it's evil dead. You know,like it just feels like it it's
just on its own little tangent.It's in its own bubble, which I'm

(01:27:25):
I'm fine with, you know.It's just I don't think the pacing is
as strong as it should be.I think that the pacing is not very
good. It kind of keeps goingback to listening to those records to Sean,
and that's what bothered me pacing wisethe most. I was like,
I was like, just play them. Why do we keep like going and

(01:27:45):
like, okay, let's set upand listen, you know, like what
are we doing here? Just likelisten to these things like yeah, and
I get like they were trying toget around like, Okay, we don't
want to have it be on likea tape recorder. What do we do?
Yeah, Okay, we put iton a record and we'll just have
that and we'll just have the oneof the kids being music nerds like all
right, that that works. Hewants the stop start. I get why

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they were doing that for like thetension, but it's also one of those
things it's like, yeah, butjust fucking play it. Also, yeah,
it's it's it's one of those thingsthat it does not play the same
like they're trying to do the samefeeling as oh, we should listen to
the rest of the tape as theoriginal Evil Dead where they go back and

(01:28:27):
they listen to the rest of thetape afterward and you hear what the professor
has to say. It doesn't workthe same here, you know, like
even though it pretty much is thesame thing, you know, like it's
it's, uh, it's even I'mcriticizing that these these vinyls, but it
is an effective moment. But Ido think it is it stops the plot.

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It's one of those things that ituh to to have a character sit
down and like listen to something alwaysjust fucking going on outside that room.
You're just like, Okay, thisthis is the tone. That's the tone
of Whiplash I'm talking about, whereit's like, you know, like an
easy solution around that would have justbeen to like get rid of the headphones,

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just have a play on the speakers. Yeah, and have just the
whole thing, like the whole likeaccounts play in the background. It's happening
while shit's happening. If we haveit, if we're outside of the room
and we're focusing on a set piece, we don't need to necessarily have a
plan because they're not paying attention toit, so neither would we. But
at key moments, like whatever's beingsaid ties into what's going on. We

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get to hear like the slow descentof like what they went to on the
went through on the recording, Soit all it's first off, that's a
great idea, and second off,that's it's it's one of those things that
that's exactly it is that they uh, they're they're they're trying to capture that
feeling from Evil Dead where they goback to listen to it. But in

(01:29:57):
Evil Dead too, they just letthey just start the tape up again in
the basement. When he's down inthe basement and the film starts, it's
just playing, well, this chaosis happening, and that would have felt
more Evil Dead than being like let'sstop yees. The problem with the stop
and Listen is that it has thesame like vibe to it as when X

(01:30:18):
when you feel like something a moviecomes to fucking halt because it's exposition time.
Yes, and that's exactly what thisis. It's like an exposition disc.
Let's put the exposition disc on andlisten, class, class. And
even though it's a creepy, theydo a good job of keeping it creepy

(01:30:38):
with the vinyls I did. It'sit's a plot stopper, and I feel
like they that plot stopping also goesinto hair trying to save the kids.
They keep going into other rooms andit kind of like it just feels like
the plot stops unrealistically at a lotof points, you know, like,

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and you're just like and I feellike that's my main issue here with this,
because otherwise, I it's it's gotsome effective moments. There's some good
blood and gore. I do likethe soundtrack the air raids stuff from Evil
Dead kind of comes back. Sothe remake has an air raids siren as

(01:31:23):
part of the soundtrack basically, andthey work that in here, and I
thought that was kind of cool,and you know, like like it definitely
the makeup is good. I thinkthe actors playing the mother is like really
good in the post. I wouldsay that she's one of the most impressive
dead heites of the whole series almost. I think she does such a good

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job of playing that evil mother,And I'm like, okay, and I
like this idea of like tearing apartof family instead of you know, like
a brother and sister. You know, like I liked that, But could
it have been fast? Yes?Also smoother? Yes? Also, can

(01:32:04):
we not with the fucking plot lineof like woman who has independence suddenly gets
pregnant and needs to find herself becauseshe's having a child. Yeah, she
needs to yeah, get likewy three, Like she needs to settle down,
So let's put a baby in herso she can finally relax and become part

(01:32:26):
of like the usual nuclear units.Just like, can we not do that?
Yeah? I do like what they'redoing with her being pregnant. Do
I like that? They like?I like it as a plot point and
what they're like, And it kindof like grinds into her character of she
keeps being like, I'm not agroupie, but she got pregnant from one

(01:32:47):
of the band members, so you'relike, it's like she she I love
that grading of her character where she'slike I want to build up and be
that tech for the band. Butthen you know she she's sleeping with the
band. Ye it's just like yeah, and you're just like, oh,
you know, like and it andand and you know, even in her

(01:33:10):
sister's eyes, she's a groupie morethan she is a tech working with something
and that and that sucks, youknow, like and I feel like that
was one of the more effective writingparts of this whole movie. I was
like, Damn, that's some that'ssome fucking shit right there. You could
still you could still do that withoutthe pregnancy though, Like, you could
still do that as a character thing. One of my there is some good

(01:33:33):
writing moments. You know, we'recrapping on the exposition's spout. But I
did really love the beginning when she'sreading worthering heights to her. I love
that instead of the cards in EvilDead One, you know, like they're
doing the spades. I did likeher reading the wording heights to her.
I thought that was I don't know, I kind of like that. I

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thought that. I was like,I like the idea that you know that
these are demons and they you notonly fucked up things to you, but
can read your mind almost, youknow, like and that's I think that's
I liked that bit of it,you know, like like I also like
the general setting. We talk abouthow it's good that it gets outside of

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the cabin that like baits you withit at first, and then we pivot
to the apartment and then that paysoff later. But I like this like
creepy old apartment even though it's veryclearly not LA or are you even try?
You should have just left it nondescriptmy fution, that's an LA apartment.
Come on now, Well, Imean, to be fair, there's

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a you know, there's a lotof rundown hotels and big buildings that people
do live in. But true,that's super realistic, especially not with all
those breaking accents, especially for thechildren. Just like, oh yeah,
you're trying your best, but Ican hear the key we slipping out.

(01:34:54):
It's tro You're like, wait aminute. It's also one of those things
that the only the only thing thatmade me that screamed LA to me was
the door gate in the in thegarage, in the basement. I was
like, that's l A. Iwas like, I was like, I
was like, because even in NewYork. They don't. You know,
that's very rare to like have yourown gate pushing thing. That's very more

(01:35:17):
in la thing. I was like, Okay, that feels la But otherwise
I know what you're saying. You'rejust like this could have been anywhere,
you know, and you probably shouldhave said other than being like, oh,
it's an earthquake. We can playthat off as not being weird,
you know. But at the sametime, an earthquake being weird would have
worked also, you know, like, so it's one of those things that

(01:35:40):
Earth can still happen. It's justa matter of likelihood, yeah, and
severity. Yeah, and so ISo the thing I want to say about
Evil Dead Rise is that is inmy rankings, is it my least favorite
Evil Dead? Yeah? Is Doesthat mean it's bad? No? No?

(01:36:02):
I have fun watching it, YeahI did. H were my expectations
probably too high? Yeah, becauseI was coming off of Ash versus Evil
Dead and then you basically pitched methat it's Evil Dead the Raid. Like
that's why my problem with the settingDeshaun, because you know, my favorite
action movie of all time out thenTerma two is The Raid and The Raid

(01:36:25):
too, and and that's because theyfight their way through the apartment complex and
it's just fucking epic. I feellike they didn't play up the apartment complex
is maybe they probably should have,you know, like we did a little
bit of duck thing didn't. Yeah, it didn't like take advantage of the
setting enough because that like opens thingsup, you can make things really tense

(01:36:45):
out of that. Yeah, itfelt like there was one floor that was
being terrorized by the evil dead,and that was kind of it. And
I'm like, is that the onlypeople who live in this especially especially with
the ending where like we tie itback to the opening, which just like,
oh god, I couldn't sleep atall with the storm outside. I
somehow didn't hear all the crazy shitthat was going on in this, Like
you didn't hear the shotgun going offdownstairs? What the fuck elegends? I

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was like, it was the onlypart of that like twist around to the
beginning that I was like, really, I was like, maybe maybe established
that, like, oh, allthat shit was going on on the very
top floor. This is a largebuilding. She's on the bottom and there's
a storm, maybe, but likethere ain't no fucking way. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, exactly. It'sone of those things where you're just like,

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uh, did you not see theflooded elevator full of blood? Did
you not? Just hobby? Greatsequence, great sequence, just say hey,
kids, you like the shining?Yeah? Well, And it's also
they do a reference to the originalEvil Dead with the projector filling up with
blood, with the with the buttonsfilling up, So it's like a little

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bit of a Cooper reference, alittle bit of Evil Dead reference, a
little bit of Evil Dead make referencewith being like, Okay, we gotta
put some we gotta put a fuckton of blood in this to amp up
to the rain that happened in EvilDead, which we didn't talk about.
That's something like so the director says, it's something like sixty thousand gallons of
blood used for the Evil Dead rainscene. Now to pretty much sum up

(01:38:19):
why you'll probably be disappointed in EvilDead Rise, they only use one thousand
and seven hundred gallons of blood tomake it trash trash weak sauce. Yeah,
no, are you kidding? Onethousand, seven hundred gallons is an
insane amount of it's insane. Butyou know, you watch the Evil Dead
and that's another like great set piecefrom the remake is the fucking raining Blood.

(01:38:43):
It's amazing. Raining Blood is fuckingamazing. It's and it's one of
those things that you know, you'resitting there being like, oh, it's
not you know, it's not veryremaking, but once they start doing their
own things, you're like, yeah, fuck yeah, let's go just like
the The fucking Dead. I combiningis cool. Yes, And I like

(01:39:03):
the idea that we could get crazierstuff like the further you go along in
any given one of the books,that we could get crazy like weird hybrid
shit like that. But I neededI needed more, yes, because after
you know, Evil Dead two withHenry Atta like blowing up, you know,
getting big, you know, likeand getting like pussy you know.

(01:39:26):
Yeah, it's like like the longneck and stuff. It's it's one of
those things that you're kind of like, You're like, I've seen further than
just combining three people. Yes,it's gross, question mark, but like
it it could have gone. Firstoff, it could have been scarier,
and second off, yeah, itcould have gone further, Like I've seen

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I've seen a version of that that'sbeen like way more frightening. It just
wasn't in a movie. It wasin a video game called The Last of
Us Part two. They do theydo a version of the Infected where it's
basically like a rat king and it'sfucking terrifying looking. It's like the scariest

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section in the entire game. Andit also looks way cooler than what we
did here, Like after we're donerecording, I'll show you a picture of
it. So, I mean,how how do you rank them? How
do you rank all the Evil deads? Do sum up our part our two
parter on Evil Dead? How dowe how do we? Uh? How

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do you rank them all? Well? How are we are we dividing asus
Evil Dead into its individual seasons orare we just saying Evil Dead the whole
thing, just the whole thing?Because it was too specific, too specific,
you know, like from like anobjective standpoints, like what I think
has the highest quality from top tobottom, it would probably at the top

(01:40:56):
you'd have Evil Dead too, thenthat what goes below that? I'm like,
I'm like tossed between like probably maybelike remake or Ash versus Evil Dead,
then Evil Dead one, then Armya Darkness, then probably Rise.
All right, I like it andthat's coming from someone who really likes Army

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at Darkness, but it's a differentbeast. Yeah, I feel like that
is the problem here is and Ihate to say it about Evil Dead Rise,
is that I don't like it asmuch as I like Army of Darkness,
and Army of Darkness was always theweakest of this franchise, you know,
and for it to be like somehownot as much fun or as engaging

(01:41:44):
as Army of Darkness made me belike, ah, that's bad, guys,
Like relatively speaking, like I couldsee why it did so well,
especially since we haven't had a movielike this in a while, because like
The Red is a while back,so if we're just going by movies,
it's been a bit. I'm surelike it was a breath of fresh air.
It was nice to see, likesome gor stuff. Nice, but

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especially in a year where I wasreally liking Smile and I thought Smile is
one of the better ones this year. But it wasn't like it wasn't over
the top gory or sending it nowAnd I really I like that this tried
to, you know, evolve intofucking chaos, you know. Yeah,
yeah, Like I'm like, okay, all right, that's cool, even

(01:42:27):
though you need you need a movielike this, You need a movie like
this at least once a decade justto like really get under people's skins to
just like you guys are getting alittle too soft, let's fuck you up
a little bit. I know.I feel like that's probably what Terrifier is
for people. I haven't watched anyof them, another I I've been meaning
to. Yeah, I'm I'm it'sone of those things that that might be

(01:42:49):
my you know, end of andrunning into Halloween watches is yeah, because
that's what those are, both onscreen box right, they're both up there.
And he originally appears in a shortfilm and an anthology horror movie.
Okay, so, and I can'tremember it off the top of my head
the name of it, but itis he like the clown what's his name?

(01:43:12):
Are Art? The clown is inthat for like a short and then
he has Terrifier and Terrified too.So I was like, I was like,
oh, that might be my personalwatch after I finished all the Evil
Dead stuff, like it might be, but you know, because I know
it's about to be fucking disgusting.So I was like, I'm all amped
up. Now after Evil Dead,I can take anything. The point is

(01:43:33):
like the Evil Dead franchise is stillrelatively unmarked, like Evil even Evil Dead
Rise being like on the bottom ofthe pole, it's still a solid time.
It's a good time on the bottomof the pole, like these are.
I would still argue these are allgood movies. These are all solid
No so far still is still isbecause if you have listened to our last

(01:43:59):
Halloween episodes, know we've done Fridaythe thirteenth, We've done Nightmare on Elm
Street. There's some bad ones.The guys they just this, you know,
like, there's ones there. Ienjoy them. I did enjoy the
line and the Evil Dead Rise herewhere they were like, oh we're gonna
watch Nightmare on Elm Street and thelittle kids like even the bad ones.
He's like, there is no badones. And I immediately was like,
yeah, there's there's there are badones. There's a bad one immediately after

(01:44:24):
the first one. Yeah. Wow, there's there's a lot of merit to
too, but it is a badmovie. You know, like there's a
lot to love about too, butit is. It doesn't work for a
reason. Yeah, it doesn't work. It's a cult movie for a reason,
but there's stuff to love, Likeif you've ever watched the movie the
documentary Scream Queen, they kind oflike go into the behind the scenes.

(01:44:46):
We talked about it in the episode. But either way, like Evil Dead,
as far as Horror Francis are concerned, it's still going strong. It
still had a big miss. Yeah, I will say, you know,
we sound like we're talking shit onrid. Please don't think that Rise is
a good time. I you know, I it's just I went in with
a lot of expectations, but overallit's a good time. It fits in

(01:45:10):
with the rest of the movies.It doesn't. It's definitely not like a
Halloween three where you're like, wherethe fuck did this come from? You
know, like it is, youknow, like this is And it's definitely
not uh a Nightmare on Elm Streettwo where you're like, what the fuck
are we doing? Put this outthere? Halloween three is underappreciate. It's
actually really good. Yeah, Soit's just it's that, but you know,

(01:45:32):
it's definitely one of those that you'relike, what the fuck is happening?
You know, like you're like,know, Michael Myers, maybe you
shouldn't have maybe that would have beeneasier to sell if you hadn't made a
Halloween two, would Michael Myers directlyafterwards, it might have been easier for
you to sell the anthology. Butoh well, fair enough, Oh well,
we're still waiting on Trigg or Treattwo. Talking about anthologies. He's
writing it. He says he's gota good script. I'll keep waiting,

(01:45:57):
is all I'll say. I'll keepwaiting. That's one of those movies that
I'm like, that's never coming,but I'll be so happy when it does.
You know, like when you're likeTrigger Tree two's here, I'm like,
oh fuck, yeah, I'm buyingtickets. Yeah. Whether it be
that or or having Michael Doherty doanother Godzilla movie, I just want.
I just want more Michael. Ijust want Michael Doherty to do more stuff.
I didn't do my ranking of evilthe Evil Dead franchise. It's hard

(01:46:20):
for me, guys, It's veryhard, but I think it. I
think I also go Evil Dead two, and it's hard for me to go
either. Ash. I think it'sgot to be as dead as Dead for
two on me. Then it's reallyhard for me to choose Evil Dead and

(01:46:40):
Evil they're the Evil Dead, youknow, like cause it's very similar and
they're kind of both going for thattone. I prefer the original because I
love Bruce Campbell. That's my soin my in my like film brain,
I'm like, but the remake doesa great job of really count for you
to a new level. Ala,But in my other brain, I'm like,

(01:47:03):
put Bruce Campbell like AND's puking upwhite blood. I'm all for it,
you know, Like, but thenagain, they also do an effective
puking scene in the remake, youknow, so that that scene a is
grops. I give it all thecredit for that puking scene. You're like,
ye, Plus, Bruce Campbell inthe first movie is still like proto
Bruce Campbell. Yeah right, He'snot even like he's not even like Ash

(01:47:26):
Williams, you know, like he'sjust he's very like student making a film.
I mean, you watch the firstmovie, he still looks like a
baby. Then as soon as youget to the second one, she's like,
wow, this is handsome movie.Stacket, It's amazing. But they
mself. But then I after thosetwo, I think we uh uh,

(01:47:49):
the I mean, the musical ishard to put in these guys. So
we're not gonna put the musical inthese because it's like I love the musical.
It's not the French. I lovethe musical. It's just but it's
hard to place it because we're talkinglike you know, like we're already talking
different mediums between like film and TV. It's even harder to place it.

(01:48:11):
It'd be like it's in the sameway that like even if I played every
single one of the games, it'dbe hard to like place it in the
ranking because we're talking very different sensibilities, very different medium Very true. But
I will say, uh, ifyou do love Evil Dead, go see
the musical. Yeah, if youget talked about last episode. Also,
apologies for the mistake we made whenwe did the last episode because we had

(01:48:33):
said Henrietta wasn't in it. Iguess we misremembered that Henriette was in it.
Yeah, she's got the Henrietta maskon when she's in the basement,
Yeah, which I thought was anice touch. You know. So she's
in it, you know, andyou're like, all right, all right,
very worth seeing. Uh. Ifyou're an Evil Dead fan, it's
almost a no brainer. If you'rea musical fan, you I feel like,

(01:48:58):
if you're a musical fan, youhave to go see it also because
it's one of those things that it'sthe most one of the most unique musicals
I've ever seen, so totally worthworth that. But then yeah, I
feel like it for me, it'suh Army of Darkness than Rise at that
at that point, Uh, justbecause I'm a little underwhelmed by Rise.

(01:49:18):
But it's not bad, and Armyof Darkness is a lot of fun,
but it's not the same. Yeah, you know, your sense of like
you following it up after Ash versusEvil Dead on my end was less that
and more like, it's been solong since we've had an Evil Dead movie,
you better bring it, And yes, it didn't bring it, and

(01:49:39):
they like they yes, I feellike they bring it and it feels like
Evil Dead and they go far enoughto be like to satisfy any Evil Dead
fan, But do they go thatmuch further to be like, this is
a great Evil Dead Yeah, likethat fucking that fucking cheese greater bit is
so overhyped. Oh but it isgood though, fucking feat it's solid,

(01:50:01):
But like the fucking cheese graters likeall over the marketing, like it's all
like on official T shirts and stufffor like, it ain't even all that
yeah right, it's not even likeit freaks me out as a concept and
when seeing it, but in realityit didn't do that much damage per se,
you know, like like you know, like way worse with the fucking

(01:50:25):
nail guns and the crow bars.You know, like there are so many
instances you can list that are likeworse than that in the remake. Yeah,
And that's the thing about Rise isthat there's a lot of scenes that
could have been bloodier, you know, are worse. You know, like
the the even the scissors into theface, I feel like isn't enough,
you know what I'm saying, youknow, like where she gets stabbed in

(01:50:46):
the face with the scissors, andyeah, it's freaky looking and it looks
good practical effect. It's in thesame I walked away from Rise almost in
a very and I think they wereboth shot in New Zealand. Funnily enough,
I walked away from r It's inlike a very similar way that I
walked away from the Hell Raiser reboot. Oh. It's just like the Hell
Raiser reboot was solid, but therewere like things about it where it doesn't

(01:51:09):
seem to fully understand what hell Raiseris or my biggest thing when I came
out of the Hell Raiser reboot isjust like it wasn't horny enough. It
wasn't hell Raiser. I mean,I get what you're saying. I know
Hell Raser is very, very sicklysexual, and that's not really in the

(01:51:29):
reboot, and you keep that's weirdbecause that's like the point exactly is that
it's sexual torture, like it's there, but it's not there. So it's
just like you kind of missed thepoint there. But it has, it
has its moments. It was justit was a solid time. It's a
solid time. Yeah, And Ifeel like maybe that's it here, is
that you know, they sort theyunderstand Evil Dead in a lot of ways

(01:51:53):
and not understand it in other ways, you know, and you're just like,
but overall it's I say, gosee all these movies, guys,
this is not This is not ayou know, a franchise that has bad
ducks, and they both have allgood ducks. And it's funny. I'm
sorry to realize just thinking about HellRaiser reboot, that there are more parallels
because what Evil Dead they do thethings is like, there's actually more than

(01:52:15):
one book. What they do inthe Hell Raiser reboot is like, oh,
the Lament configuration, that's just oneconfiguration. There are multiple ways to
solve the box and change it andyou're like, oh, oh oh man.
But guys, I want to thankyou for listening to our giant two

(01:52:39):
party here. This is especially longepisode here, a lot longer than our
covering the first three three movies inthe musical, but I think three seasons
of TV so is a lot moreto cover. It's a lot more content
to cover now, guys, Ijust want to thank you so much for
listening. It's been really great tosee your interaction on this and I just

(01:53:02):
want to say, you know,thank you, and please, you know,
hit the buttons down below to makethe algorithm work, you know,
all that jazz and all that shit, but like, really thank you for
listening and you know, actually wantingto hear what we have to say about
these stuff. And hopefully you've learneda few things about the Evil Dead franchise.
There's a lot to learn or wantto watch the Evil Dead, you

(01:53:23):
know what I want figure out bynext October what we'll do next. I
really don't want to do Halloween.I'm gonna be so mad. Hey,
I mean, maybe we'll do Terrifiednow that we've talked about it, like
it'll be a very short episode.I also wanted to do like the Dead
trilogy for a long time, likeand that would be it. That'd be

(01:53:46):
an interesting one because I'm shoots.I'm sure you probably haven't seen Day of
the Dead in a long time,at the very least, which is actually
my which is actually my favorite.I'm like the minority. I really love
Day of the Dead. It's beena while. It's definitely been a while.
I had a zombie phase going intocollege where I was just every zombie

(01:54:13):
content I fucking possibly could, andso I watched it back then. But
it's been a very Also, giveme the excuse to get them physically because
criteria the Living Dead. Plus it'spublic domain. Yeah, it's public domain,
so it's free everywhere, guys,And then I'm pretty sure unlike but

(01:54:38):
besides, which is a lot differentthan The Evil Dead right here, I
had to buy The Evil Dead onAmazon it's streaming nowhere, and not even
just purchase anywhere. I couldn't purchaseit on Google I had to purchase it
on Amazon. Evil Dead too isstreaming a lot of places, uh,
but for different places. But ArmyDarkness is only streaming on one service,

(01:55:02):
and you couldn't buy it for somereason. I couldn't buy Army of Darkness.
I could only watch it. Sothat so again another reason why you
need these things physical media because whatthe fuck? And then uh, yeah,
theatrical but yeah, not even thedebt, like directors is even an

(01:55:23):
option? No, it's not.It was not an option. It was
just like, here's Army of Darknessand you're like, okay, thanks.
Uh And then uh, the soAstros the Eel Dead is on Hulu because
that uh is is is? Youknow? Evil Dead Remake was all Who's
the It's stars, so lions Gate, it's all lions Gate. And then

(01:55:46):
Evil Dead Rise is the first timewe're back at New Line Cinema. So
we're and New Line Cinema is nowowned by HBO and Max or whatever we
Warner Bros. Warner Brothers, youknow, so it's the first time it's
back in the fucking original gate,you know, like it's back, and
the Evil Dead, especially for likethis season, it's important to have all

(01:56:11):
the ship in one place. Thefirst time I had ever watched the Rocky
franchise, I didn't know five existedbecause they didn't have it on there.
They had one through four and thenBalboa, so I didn't even know there
was even I didn't even know fivewas the thing. And then I watched
it. I'm like, oh,I get why they skip this one.
Okay, I see why they didthis. Oh God, But guys,

(01:56:32):
just just know these are worth owningphysically, and you should own the physically
because they're hard to get. Isbasically the conclusion of these episodes for you
know, warp shelfing it is thatyou should get it on your warp y.
You can get. You can getlike Evil Dead and Evil Dead to
pretty much anywhere. They've like changedhands a lot. Shot Factory has a

(01:56:55):
really great addition of Army of Darknessthat I have. It comes to every
cut of the film. That's gorgious. It even has the fucking TV edit
just for shits. I love it. I love it when they do that.
It's so funny. I gotta saythe season one or two of these
Blu rays have some nice special featureson it, but season three was just
kind of very like, yeah,we got one feature on it, fuck

(01:57:16):
you, Okay, we're done now, you know, like they got other
commentaries, but it's very like allright, like no more special features and
you're like, wait, no please, I would lack one, like just
a single special feature. But yeah, I mean they're worth owning, is
basically it. Every every bit ofthis franchise is worth having an actual physical

(01:57:39):
copy of it because it is soconfoluted who owns it and where it's going
to be next year. Yeah,even a couple of years ago, like
all of Ash Versus Evil Dead wason Netflix and now it's not on there
anymore. Yeah, not on Netflix. It was on Stars for a while
and it's still owned by Stars,but it's on Hulu. This is what
happens. Like the jumping around getsan don't even fucking get me started on

(01:58:00):
how many times like doctor who jumpsship and move somewhere else? Oh yeah
right, and you're just like,where the fuck was I in this season?
Jesus Christ, Like it's just likewait a minute, now, guys,
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We love the spooky stuff. Butnext up is probably French Connection. We're
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(01:58:44):
are going back to the AFI topone hundred to keep going. And French
Connection was just dropped on HBO Max, I mean on Max, so you
can go watch it with us ifyou want to get ready for the episode.
But and then you know, we'reof course going to cover it new
uh movies that are coming out,and that's a you know, kind of
the always thing about this as you'realways kind of like, wait a minute,

(01:59:09):
what the fuck are we gonna coverthem? If you had a PS
five or anything to play Spider Mantwo on, I'm sure that would be
an episode. Yeah, but yeah, I was thinking that too. I
was thinking that too, and weuh Killers the Flower Moon just dropped.
So that's the reason why I'm kindof hitting that like maybe thing with I
almost like I almost saw that lastweekend, but like I just like missed

(01:59:30):
the boat on it, so wewent to go see Bottoms instead three and
a half hours. Hold, yeah, fuck, we like Miss. We
like Miss, so we knew weweren't gonna make it to the cooler jun
times, so we watch Bottoms instead, which, by the way, Bottom's
really fucking funny, really good.Yeah yeah, Okay. There's also Five
Nights and Freddy's and Saw X,but I'm sure we will not be covering
either of those guys. If you'redisappointed in Five Nights of Freddy's, there's

(01:59:55):
already a Five Nights of Freddy's movie. It's called Willy's Wonderland and it's got
Nicholas k You're welcome. That's allI'll say if you If you're like,
wow, that really sucked. Ididn't want to. Why did I spend
movie at the theaters? It's onHulu Willie's Wonderland. It's the same movie,
but Nicholas Cage loved the script somuch he bought it and produced it,

(02:00:18):
so he like that just shows youkind of like how much he believed
in that movie, and you're kindof like Five Days of Freddy's knockoff.
He believed in that so hard.Go watch it. You'll see it's it's
fun. I mean with Nicholas Cage. You had me further with Nicholas Cage
and creepy animatronics. Right, butguys, thank you, thank you,

(02:00:42):
thank you, thank you for foruh listening in and I hope you have
a great rest of your week.We'll see you next time, see you
next time.

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