The Warped Shelf - Sonic the Hedgehog 3

We weren't the largest fans of the first two films, but is the third time the charm? Was giving a hedgehog a gun and a motorcycle the secret sauce we were missing all along?

Episode #165

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to the Warp Show.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm Frank Grant, I'm a Sean Beasquez.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
And today two artists reach into the pile of It.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Can be any sort of form of art. It can
be books, it can be movies, TV shows, comic books,
sometimes video games, which is sort of a hybridization of
what we're talking about today. We got a kind of a.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Twofer two for a little one here where we're talking
about uh Sonic three. Guys, we saw Sonic three theaters together,
because we've now made it a tradition to keep seeing
these movies together in theaters like it's some event movie,
you know, Like, well, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Not a pattern. To be fair, we didn't see the
first one.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, but the fourth one is already confirmed and we're
going to Sean, I got tickets already. We're going back,
So I mean, first off, meet him. First off, me
and him went to see this at the Alamo Draft
House and no we're not sponsored, but baby, take me back.
It's so good. Oh my goodness, what a nice.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
D Yeah, this was your first time out. Because for
those of you who don't know, like I live closer
to the Boston area. Frank lives in New Hampshire, doesn't
live in the Boston area anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I work in Boston area, but it's you know, it's
not like I'm hanging out watching movies.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
She hasn't gotten to go since they finally brought an
Alamo Draft House location in the Boston, whereas I have
gone several times. I've gone a bunch ever since it's opened,
and I'm hooked and addicted, especially since the nearest movie
theater to me an AMC, and people gotten rowdy, people
forgot how to osta pandemic.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Ah, that sucks. That sucks.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, you're just like, hey, you're not home, you know,
like shut up.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Even if it was a much further commute, I would,
So I would just go further out to like the
Coolidge or Summerville.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yes, and I mean the Coolidge is a fantastic theater,
always showing like film prints of movies, and the Alma
Draft House is not exactly doing that, but they do
have interesting film slates and of course like all the
new films in a very like an adult slated movie theater,

(02:36):
you know, like Very.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Twenty one that prioritizes like service.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yes, and so I mean I grew up with Chunkies
and now Chunkies is my local theater, my favorite local
theater because it's so cheap and then you get food.
So it's like one of those things where I grew
up with a theater you already ate at, but you
were sitting at a conference room table in car chairs.

(03:00):
You know, like it's supposed to be like a party
kind of atmosphere while you're watching things. You know, I went.
I had several birthdays. I saw all the Star Wars
prequels there as birthdays because they all came out in
meg Wild. It worked out well for me for in
my childhood. I was like, guys were doing it may.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Sound terrible, but you know how you are as a
kid where you're bad with like dates. Yeah, the reason
I remember my dad's birthday is because it was the
same day that Revenge of the Sith came out.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
You're like perfect, I have forever now, Like I can't
remember it just knowing my dad, but like now that
Revenge of the Zynth is tagged, this is perfect.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
But they I really enjoyed the Almo Draftop just for that.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
It was a nice theater experience, a big even though
a small theater we were in like you know, not huge,
not a big room, big screen, you know, like it's
like because that could be problem with going to the Coolidge.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Sometimes you go to the Coolidge and you get kind
of a small screen. I love the coolest.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Sometimes you might get like the straight up screening room
like upstairs.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Like which is still great, still awesome. I mean I
cried my eyes out to the whale with you in
that room.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
You know, and we got that room because that was
like just weeks.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, it was like weeks weeks after so and like,
you know, I don't mind that when that's happening, you know,
but like I I enjoyed that this room was like big,
even though it wasn't too many seats, you know, like
and that how much they were good about the sound,
you know, like even though it was a kid screening
and they had renex sound restrictions, they were still very

(04:39):
good about the sound.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, nobody getting worse more and more often now.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I think it just because they keep repeating it, you know,
like just because Nicole Kidman says it one time before
the movie.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Starts, isn't gonna stop all the rowdiness at AMC.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
But like if you keep repeating it like they are
doing it at the Almo draft House. It works.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's like even clicks with the key.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I didn't mean noise from the general public. I meant
like actual like sound mixing in the theater.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Oh yes, that too, that's too too, that too, because like, yes,
i've you know, I've. I do love going to Chunky's.
Always an endorsement for Chunky's in Manchester. But like there
there is movies that are so loud they shake the
theater next to you, you know, like see going to

(05:25):
Barbie Oppenheimer shook Barbie in the theater next to me.
You know, like it was like, okay, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Have ever been to where they're playing the stupid TV
commercials before the trailers even started. In that audio is
hot hot.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
It's just like nexed up trivia while you're sitting there
in your seats.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Here's some trivia from Back to the Future.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
You're like, shut up, but this it's like Alma draft
As puts attention to detail with those type of things
where it's like before the movie started, they were just
playing Sonic the hedgehot commercials and not just like normal commercials,
like literally old Sonic like action figure commercials Japanese like

(06:09):
joke commercials they had of Sonic Like it was just
kind of like weird e collectic collection of Sonic things,
which felt like somebody who gave a shit collected them.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, I feels specifically curated, and they go even more
detail depending on what movie is showing. When I went
to go see Godzilla Minus one, what they put on
was like a retrospective of the different eras, just like
you're where Godzilla started. This is how like it started
to veer into the silly stuff and then we brought
it serious again. It was like it was like a
little educate, a tiny little educational thing.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's so cool.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Again, we're not sponsored, but like you just gotta you
just got it. Went to have to experience this.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Even when I went to go see The Boy in
the Hair and there was just like, oh, here's all
like the real life location references that have been used
for the Miyazaki films. And also here's like the real
life references for all the food. You're like, oh, that's sick.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, that's sick. And the food was good.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
We we and like we had the turo popcorn and
pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah that Mazi sticks I had the loaded fries. I
have always defaults of loaded fries. Now it's so good
bottomless sodas. You're like, okay, this is this is that.
That was kind of the caveat. We're not even a caveat.
That was like the compromise. Like, man, even if I
hate this movie, I'm still gonna have some good food.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yes, I like going there. Yes, because okay, so before
we get into talking about Sonic three, you have to
be like, what are you can go back watch our
reviews of Sonic two. I don't think we have one
of Sonic.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Wah do we know?

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I think we only talked about it in tandem because
we did a general Sonic the Hedgehog episode.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
So you can check out that episode. But basically it
breaks down to Sonic one is not a good movie,
but it has highlights of a good movie, like you're like,
oh shit, that was funny, or you're like, oh cool,
that was cool, but then you it's just not good overall.
Sonic two is an okay movie that actually is like

(08:14):
getting to being something, you know, like you're like, oh,
you're like, oh shit.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
As we discussed, like when we first came out of it,
you were like, man, I feel like I could edit
this myself to make it better. I'm like, yes, if
you cut out the human bullshit and that stupid stuff.
But like gun at the wedding, this would be a great,
crisp seventy minute movie.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
And and then we we now get.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
To Sonic three, and guys, good news.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's good. But only that I would say, it's it's
it's only that it's good.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I'm not it's good hot about it. I'm more of on,
like it's fun.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yes, I've seen the Sonic forums. I've seen the Sonic fandom,
my mo on, you know, like I see the sub
rat it's I see the Facebook group. I know the
Sonic fandom is like we got peak cinema, you know,
like peak cinema, you know, like and yet, guys, to you,
you did, like I to all the Sonic fans, I'm
so happy for you, because like this is what all

(09:17):
the movies should have been the entire fucking time, you know,
Like that's the problem is we're on the third movie
and we finally get Yeah, we've felt like we get
like doctor o'bodnik in the fucking suit, and we get like,
great fights, we get like just sequences with no humans,
so it feels like an animated movie and you're like,

(09:40):
this what should have been the whole fucking time.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Like it's just.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
It's a it's a little maddening because it's good, you know,
Like it's one of those things where you're like, it's
it's as a as a as somebody who went through
the other movies. You're kind of like, Okay, you finally
got it, guys, Like good, Like this is cool, Like
this is like, yes, kids lost their minds about Sonic movie,

(10:06):
you know, like and like probably changed their brain chemistry.
But I think this is gonna fucking like, this is
gonna do some serious damage to those kids.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Partially annoying only because I feel like people use that
as an excuse to like lampshade, they these issues the
whole old like, oh, it's for kids, so what so
it's immune from criticism. It can't be better than what
it is, do you know how much like supposedly for
kids entertainment that I grew up with that never talked
down to me and it was still good regardless.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yes, that's like, guys, Sonic like one of the things
that kids have always loved about Sonic is the attitude
and the way he doesn't talk down to you, you know,
and is just kind of doing his adventure. I've read
Sonic comics on my whole childhood. Like I grew up
being going up to there was a at the Hannaford.

(11:00):
They had a little spin and it had tons of
comics on it. But the comic I ran up to
grab all the time and was keeping up with all
the time was Sonic, And like I.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Kept up with the cartoons, and I have continued to
be souping faithful to all these fucking games.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
And like so that so I like see why people
love the first like cause there's parts that like really
shine out and like to kids, they've never seen Sonics,
so it's just like that's the first introduction, and it's sick.
It's the same thing as the Mario movie, where you're like,
that's sick for those kids. But when you get to this,

(11:43):
you're kind of like, no, this is what we should
have been doing the whole time, sending James Marston out
for a fucking break for most of the movie. And
guess what, we still probably could have edited him out
of this movie. We just didn't need him, you know,
like it's just it's just one of those things where
if they had the fucking balls, they would just not

(12:06):
use any human characters that weren't like progressing the plot forward.
Because that's the problem with the James Martian thing. It's
always just like, shin it, do the right thing, and
he's like, I will, James, you know, like, and you're
just like, I know his name is, it's Tom, but
like I get like you just like what do we
why do we keep on?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
The third movie, we're kind of like this, why are
we doing?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yes? Yes, because now we have a full cast of characters.
You have tails, you have knuckles, and now you have Shadow.
You have a full animated cast characters. So we have
lots of scenes where no humans are in it. And
guess what, they fucking rock like they fucking like they're
actually like a lot of fun. There's so much fun

(12:50):
in this movie, and most of the time it's slightly
ruined by humans at points. But I will give credit
to this movie. They did a very good but restraining
that they get like the the you know, the James
Marsen clips are very fast the beginning, you know, like
and then even when they bring him in to infiltrate Gunn.
It's just for a second that he's doing something, and

(13:12):
then he get punched, and then he's dying for the
rest of the movie, and you're kind of like, good,
thank God, and and and and you know, no spoiler,
I mean spoilers, but like that he doesn't die at
the end. I know, Like I know people are joking
they were gonna like cheer when Maria dies at the end.
I was gonna cheer when Tom dies at the end.

(13:34):
I'm sick of I'm sick of him. I'm sick of him.
Just get rid of it, like just move move on,
you know, Like That's what I'm saying. These are. This
is an a rendment of an age that you don't
need anymore, you know, like a remnant where you're like,
you didn't need it in the beginning, but like you
you thought you did. You thought you needed human characters
and actors. But fucking Jim Carrey and A and Sonic

(13:58):
the hedgehot goulda hold.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
The whole movie shows.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
This movie where it's just Jim Carrey and Jim Carrey
and Sonic in shadow for a bunch of scenes, and
you're just kind of like sit and love it.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
It's finishing. As you brought up the the Mario movie,
because I think it's a good comparison to have, because
I still have had an argument with the friends about this,
like the fucking day after we saw Sonic three, because
these movies get me heated sometimes.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I know, I'm sorry, I've been yelling. I realize i've
been I've been loud and yelling, and I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
They were talking about how like I made the joke
that like the moment that they just decide to pull
like it into the Spider Verse or Transformers one where
they want to keep the live action film going for
the most part, but as like a little site thing
will also do animated. Let's expand, let's see what out
of the revenues we can get, and then we actually
get people who actually care about the material, while the

(14:50):
studio is just kind of indifferent about it because it's
not the live action franchise so they can just play.
And I said, the moment that happens, I'm fucking out
of here. And then a friend was just like, yeah,
but what if it turns out like the Mario movie.
I'm like, I liked the Mario Movie. Yeah, it's not
a great movie. It's nothing groundbreaking, but you know what,
it is relatively unashamed to be itself.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yes, that, and I would say it's good kid content
where it's not speaking down to the kids, you know,
Like and I will say even Signing three has a
couple jokes where you're like, hey, everyone in the writer's
room knew that wasn't good.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
You just thought we should do that because the kids
might laugh at that.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
You know, Mario doesn't come. Mario doesn't come to the
real world to sit in the cop car for most
of its runtime.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah. Yeah, even the.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Fucking live action like Bob Hoskins, Mario Movie spent most
of its run time in a mushroom lands.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, and you're just like Day.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
But supposed to just like paint by Numbers, And we
don't really have much faith in the IP, so let's
just do easy money. We'll do it live action, so
we only have to pay so much for the CGI,
will have it take place in the real world for
no reason that for this movie is so generic that
if you replace Sonic with some other generic like alien
cy Gi character, it would change change virtually nothing.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
About nothing, which is no, and it and it's uh.
They even do the joke that there's there's literally a
screenshot where Marston's sitting next to an Easter Bunny and
Hot in the almost the same car in these as
he is sitting with Sonic and you're kind.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Of like shot the same two that just like flat
comedy like cinematography.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, you're like, oh, guys, like not not great, you know,
like that a it just doesn't like it's not a
good look and it's just something that we need to
phase out this like reliance like and having human actors
in these The first movie definitely just animated movies.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
And they all they all kind of had this problem.
But the first movie especially feels like something that would
have been like a Nickelodeon original movie twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, that's the that's the vibe.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
That's that's the exact vibe.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
And to be fair, that's why some people dig it.
You know, like I feel like a lot of people
view it as not that offensive and I get it. Yeah, yeah,
that's fine.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's also just one of those tuds, like you guys
need to open up your minds and be a little
more creative. I've seen literally people defend the like first movie.
It's just like, well, what else could they have done it?
Just like I don't know the thirty plus years of
video game, in comic book and fucking other sources of
material to pull from.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Just anything else, like else.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
And that's the thing about too, is you start being like, oh,
they're getting rid of the human parts, and look, there's
like these big, like cool segments you know they're throwing
in here, and then in three they actually deliver, I
feel like, and we get a movie that you know
isn't fantastic, It isn't gonna blow your fucking socks off

(17:49):
unless you're a Sonic fan. Then you're gonna probably clean
your pants when they go super Sonic at the end.
But like, and to be fair as a Dragon ball
Z fan, and I kind of was like, you know,
like because I think they wear their influences on their
sleeve with that whole and fight sequence that is absol

(18:11):
like as much as Super Sonic is just a reference.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
To Goku, you know, like and kind of like you know,
like yes and no, it's.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
It's just a general Japanese mythology thing.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
There's like turned gold, yes, with the golden hair.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
It's it is. It is pretty specific.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yes, yes, exactly. It's kind of like it's kind of
like seeing a uh, motorcycle slide and not calling it
an a Curra slide they did here.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yes, we got to put the Kera slide in anything anything.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Uh. It's kind of funny. We've gotten to a point
where it's like almost for a year now, you know,
like where it's like a four, like legitimate big production
at Curra Slides kind of like kind of like oh
all right, you know, like you know, like I'm glad
we're still referencing Akira this this far down the line,
you know.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Like it's kind of kind of shows how endearing it
is enduring.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
It is endearing and during but beside the point, I
feel like the main strength of this movie is obviously
it's cast. I feel like that was the strength of two,
you know, like, and I feel like three strengthens it
even more with just the addition of a second Jim

(19:31):
Carrey and of course Keanu Reeves, uh, because I mean
this movies were fun because of Jim Carrey, you know,
like and you know some and because of course.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Why am I saying John ralphiel In my head.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Stop it. Ben Schwartz.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
I'm like, I'm like, his real name is Ben Schwartz, uh,
but he he is, Like he's him and Jim Carrey
are the reasons to be there, you know, like in
the seats and like they unlocked a little bit more
with you know, like int Alba.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
In two in two and now we have Keanu Reeves
and just like amping the Jim Carrey and it's just
kind of like, all right now we have like an
absolutely stacked cast, you know, yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
There's anyone as far as like the as far as
like the major players that actually matter and aren't just
made specifically to be boring human tagalogs. Yes, specific to
the movies have been miscast necessarily. I think I go
I go hot and cold on certain characterizations.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yes, I am. They also added this movie Christian Ritter.
I feel like that was a nice ad to this movie,
as director Rockwell, you know, like I feel like she
was not an annoying ad to this fucking movie, you know,
like you know, like and I was absolutely frightened. And

(21:00):
they brought Wade back for like one second there at
the end. I know people have the fandom has forgiven
him because they've seen Knuckles the show, and I haven't
watched the Knuckles Show yet because I just I don't know.
I was scared. I was scared.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I saw him like fighting humans and like mech suits
and shit. I'm like, I'm good. And that's even that one.
For the people who like loved the other two movies
before this third one even came out, we're just like,
you know what, this is kind of stupid, but I've
heard it doesn't even feel like Sonic related, and it's
so much focused on like human shanan against Oh you

(21:37):
mean like the first two movies.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, you're like, huh, they're all like this it's ah,
but I I mean this movie's you know, main strength
is leaning into its voice cast. I mean, Ben Schwartz is,
of course fantastic again is Sonic. I feel like he
was born to voice Sonic. Like, yes, we've had absolutely

(22:00):
least stellar Sonic voice casts in the past, you know,
Like I like, I I feel like we you know,
there's not many complaints in the Sonic you know what
casting from us I.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Have, But I like Ben Schwartz as a Sonic I
don't love him, and it's less about specifically and more
about the way they've chosen to characterize him. I think
he gets like I think he gets like the goofy
parts of Sonic, right, I think he gets like the
smarmy parts and just like that general sort of like

(22:33):
boundless energy. Yeah, but I need more of the attitude.
Anytime Ben Schwartz's Sonic tries to come off as like
genuine attitude or like real, like slightly pricky, yeah, it
comes off as kind of like nat, you ain't got it.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
I kind of feel that, I I, but I I
kind of forgive it because I I think he embodies
that like Sonic fun to enter GI a little more
than he does the.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Like you know, like Sonic skidding out after and explosion
saying something cool energy yeah, which I want, I know,
I know in that But that was kind of the
best part about Kianu being at to the cast here.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
I mean is that from both it works like the
game where Shadow was introduced. But it's one of those
things where like I do like it. In fact, I
like it more than the current voice of Sonic we
have we've had for like a decade, Roger Craig Smith,
who's never who still has not grown on me.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Really because I don't mind him, you know, like, I
know you don't like it, but I don't like I
feel like he he sounds like Sonic, you know yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
But like you're also coming from the perspective of like
you've barely played most of like the modern era game.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I've played most. I don't know of all, but i've
played most. I don't.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't I've beaten any of them, but I've played
him like.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
It's just won. The pitch is weird. His voice has
always been too deep for Sonic hmmm. And two that's
just again, I just don't buy it. Every time I
hear his voice, even though he's been Sonic for like
fucking fifteen years, it's still just like, oh yeah, the
new Sonic voice, Like wait, he hasn't been he hasn't
been new for a long time.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's so true. I do it, it does. I do
think that every time he talks, I go.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
No specific disrespect to Roger Craig Smith, who is a
good voice actor, and I do like him and a
lot of other stuff. I just don't like his sonic.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
But I I think so we're talking about Keanu as Shadow.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I was talking earlier about.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Changing the brain chemistry of kids, you know, like it's
a joke that you know, it's a meme being like
changing your brain chemistry and it it. You know, I
think all of us have a moment where we see
something so cool or hears something so cool, as kids
changes us permanently, you know, like you know, like my
taste in music permanently changed because of Tony hawkspro Skater,

(24:56):
you know, like permanently fucked up because of that, you know,
like and and Sonic.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
You know, like I feel like you have to you have.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
To Sonic, especially for Sonic especially. I feel like I
feel like, you know, my pop punk comes a lot
from Sonic. You know. I'm just like I'm like sick
getting nice. Uh that's what That's a good zoo, you know,
like sounds like I.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Could that I've never been more energetic at a concert
than when I went to the go see the Sonic
sympt bet I am so you know me, I'm solo
energy that most of my concert experiences boil down to
like pleasant.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
See. I ain't that I'm there to get down, but
uh but I think shadow at you know, Keanu Reeves
a shadow here might be so cool that the kids
who you know, are growing up and they're seeing Mario
and they've seen the two Sonic movies and they love Sonic.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
And then they see Shadow and he.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Fucking is riding a motorcycle and he kicks a fucking
gun into his hand and he.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Said time for a new a whole new generation turned
the character into.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
And he says like, stay away from me. And I
was like, first off, even as a grown adult, I
was like, that was fucking sick, you know, like, but
as a kid, that's too cool, It's too cool. Like
I was like, I was like, damn, Keanu Reeves, you
brought too much cool to Shadow the Hedgehog that, like,
cause like that's that's always been the thing though. I

(26:23):
feel like that's how that that's the reason why I
kind of love this movie is that I've always been
a Shadow of the Hedgehog fan, you know, like, oh
just cool, just a cool. I love it dark, you know,
wheels a god sick, you know, like of course it's
a moody Sonic. You know, Like as much as like
we make.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Fun of it, we love evil equivalent characters, people doppelgangers.
We love your shadows, your fucking Goku blacks. Why do
you think, like the fucking Marvel movies have been coasting
on this like so long now, just like, oh my god,
it's Iron Man, it's the Evil Black Panther.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
And but like this is one of the better ways
to do it, you.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Know, like and I and I feel like.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
They really kind of like male Shadow here in a
big way and kind of like bring him to a
modern audience in yeah, in no uncertain terms, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Like and the choice like on paper when it was
first and Alfle I'm like, oh, okay, I could kind
of see that. Actually getting to see it in the film,
it does work. It's actually closer to David Humphrey was
the original voice of him, Yeah, more so than either
his replacements Jason Griffith or Kirk Thornton.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yes, I agree. I feel like.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Nice because David Humphrey is still my favorite. Oh, it's
closer to the thing I like more.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, and I I mean, Shadows just cool in general,
Like it's just a cool, like idea persona like thing.
And I feel like they did such a good job
at like capturing that and bringing that to the screen,
and then also not only that, but like referencing this

(28:04):
movie of course references Sonic Adventure two often, you know,
like I feel like that is an often reference in this,
but like the amount of times they are referencing like shadows,
shadows appearances in games is kind of incredible. Like some
of the shots of shadow here are straight from games

(28:26):
like No, No Question, straight from the games oppeciing to
this model.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
His game at that, which is funny because that game's
place in the fandom has sort of made a full
turnaround to being like this is the stupidest, stupidest, overly
edgy bullshit that has ever been made, Why would you
do this? To the full turnaround, just like this is
the stupidest edgiest thing in the world and it's so
dumb and I love it. Yes, So by the time
we get to this, we're like twenty years ago. If

(28:53):
you saw a shadow like Whip out a Piece as
a reference to his solo game, you would have been like, oh, god, really,
we're doing this now.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
It's just like yeah, And it was like I feel
like it was like a yeah, you know, like uh,
it was, It's really cool And I feel like, yes, his.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Arc in here is kind of simplistic, but.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
They it's always kind of big simplistic with Shadow, you know,
like it's been like I'm a I'm.

Speaker 6 (29:21):
An anti hero, you know, like I'm doing I'm a bit,
I'm a bad guy doing good things, you know, like
and here it's like he's doing he's he is the
bad guy here, he is the antagonist.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
But then he can kind of tell the whole time
he wants to he could that, like and they and
that's what I mean. They do a good job with
his character here is that they it's not big, but
like you can kind of tell the whole time he doesn't,
you know, it's just a like Maria revenge thing. You know,
He's just like why did they do this? You know,

(29:52):
like uh, you know, like and I feel like they
do a good job of showing Shadow.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Being inflicted in that, but kind of a whole time, You're.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Like, like, this is an anime character, and I'm like
seeing his emotional test about as close.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
As they get to like some of the actual sinister
stuff about Sonic Adventure two, because Sonic Chuacter two is
a dark game. It's a dark game, but there's no
way they're going to adapt like all of that stuff
in here. Gerald Robotic and Sonic Adventure two is not
just a silly Jim Carrey man.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah right, It's just like wait.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Introduction is a videotape where he's confessing that he wants
to destroy the world because of his granddaughter was murdered
by gun soldiers, and he just basically spits in the
face of humanity. It's just like all of you can
suffer for it. And then he's killed by a firing squad.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
You see.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Oh, in my perfect world, that would be the gerald
robotic would be getting. I don't give a fuck how
dark it is. SA two is a kid's game. You
can put it in a kid's movie. But whatever, whatever.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
A different time, different time.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Uh. But they I do give credit though, they do
a good job of keeping him kind of sinister here. Uh.
You know, it's not like, yes, he's goofy with doctor o'bodnick,
but you know, he's obviously the more like a more
effective evil world.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Aesthetically, he actually looks more like what I wanted Jim
Carrey's eggment, like from the jump from the just got
buying those two designs like keep the prosthetic makeup, paint
the mustache brown, and keep the red suit. That's basically
what I want out of this.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Exactly, like like yeah, Like it's one of those things
where you're like I'm getting I'm slightly getting what I
want here.

Speaker 7 (31:33):
It's one of those moments with with with Doctor Bodnik,
You're like, I'm sort of getting things I want here,
like we get the crap, you know mobile here, and
I thought that was a nice doctor.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
But I'm also tired of all the machines pulling It's
like the Decepticons in the live action Transformers movies. Why
are they all gray? Where's the color contrast? Why do
we all have to why do these all have to
look like Apple devices?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
It's true, It's true because I feel like like most
of the time Dog Robotic in games is pulling out
a very colorful like like machine you know, was like mech.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
And the second one where it's just like wow, that
just straight up looks like a Robotnick mech. Like it's
not all uniform white with like red on. It doesn't
look like fucking gladys Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah right, it's just like like I it's it's one
of those things where this movie delivers and doesn't at
some point, so it's like it's not a it's it's
not perfect.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Like relative to these movies, yes, this is the best one.
I'd only think they've gotten marginaling better than the last.
So by the time you get to the third room,
I'm like, yeah, of course it's gonna be like, oh
my god, we went from dog shit to okay at
to okay at worst. Oh man, progress progress, thinks were like,
while we are finally taking like bigger steps in the
right direction. These movies have foundational problems from that first

(32:55):
movie that we're stuck with.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
One cast. Remember we didn't talk about, uh, what is
Colleen l Tennessee? And I of course she is the
most perfect part of all these movies. I do feel
like they played with Tails Model a little here, they
like kind of like they did something different. I'm already should.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Have done that already. Like Tails even looked different in
the post credit scene from the first movie versus the
way he was rendered in the second movie.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Right, like it's it's it's interesting the evolution of Tails
Model here and Sonic we were you were talking about
they kind of got rid of the whites. Yeah, which
is interesting.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Don't know or don't pay attention to these kind of
details for the live action. For the first movie, he
actually has like a little tuft of like white fur
on the bridge of his nose to sort of have
like a little wink at the fact that in general
Sonic designs he kind of has like a you and
I because there's no separation. Know, if you guys could
see which works for animation when you want to do

(34:00):
a photorealistic CG rendering, it'll look weird. So instead they
gave him like a little white line on the on
the bridge of his nose, which was clever. But by
the time we get to the third one, I even
looked it up to see if they got rid of it.
In the second one, it's there, it's just a little subtler,
but here it's just kind of gone. It just kind
of bleeds from like blue to flesh stone.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
I also feel like.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
In design, if we're talking designs, I feel like they
also played a little bit with the way the mouths
are looking here, you know, like the different the different
colored like flesh thing that like you know Sonic has
in here. It's like, you know, like kind of flesh
going on. And then if we're looking at the picture,

(34:42):
I know this isn't the most high tech way to
show this off, but like you could you can kind
of see there with the Sonic three poster. It's it's
different and then and I think the reason why I
was noticing it is Shadows is a little darker there.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
And it's it's always been a darker flesh tone than
son especially in his first appearance, like he has Yeah,
like people joke that like Shadows straight up has melanin
and Sonic event or two that like slowly fades when
by the time you get to the later games, like
he has very he has like very deep like tan
skin in his first appearance. Yes, but it is one

(35:18):
of those things where like I'm reminded that in those movies,
the that flesh tone isn't actually flesh. They keep fur
on that.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
So I will give.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
We were because you know, talking about these like characters,
my one bit like my kind of like kind of
big complaint plot wise for this and you know, I'm
saying the humans that need to get them out and
they even the little bits of them you were kind
of like get the fuck out of here. Uh is uh,
they underutilize tails and knuckles, they don't really have anything

(35:55):
to fit.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
The compliments of like the big casts and us not
focusing on the humans as much. There's no stupid like
extended wedding sequence again. Yeah, Tails and Knuckles still feel
like they're kind of on the back burner here.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, they don't really have plots, you know, like it's
kind of just like, no, they're there to help. Like
the biggest struggle Knuckles go through is deciding if he
believes in Sonic to give him the Master Rammeled, which like, yeah,
was already established.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
In the last going through some emotional Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Like it's just kind of like huh, Like it was
just kind of silly. Uh. And that was their like
big conflick, you know, like and and it was just
and there's like no conflict with Tails either. He's just like, yeah,
we're best friends, aren't you best friends? For Bognik and
like Stones like no, you know, like like and you're

(36:47):
just like you're just like that's it for ta.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Oh my god, these running gags that stem from the
first movie that they think are so funny, Yeah, keep
bringing back. Oh my god. They still think the goat
milk lattes the funniest shit in the world. We keep
continuing to reference it.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean at least it feels like a good conclusion
to that, you know, like, yes, it's stupid to keep
bringing it up, but at least it you know, brings
it kind of full circle with Robotic dying at the
end there, which like.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
What are we doing killing Robotic by the way? You know,
like what do we?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I mean, yes, Jim Carrey should retire, Like I feel
like he deserves it, you know, the ban deserves to
retire whenever he was.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Going to do this after the first movie, and then
he continued, then he came back for the two, and
now he came back for three.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
So dies like skeptical, Yeah, he dies at the end
of every single one of these, so we'll see see.
But this feels a little bit more final, even emotionally,
so like maybe Jim Carrey will stay out, but maybe
he'll just come back as like robo Botnick, you know,
like maybe he'll just be the robo version of himself

(38:03):
that they do in what fucking what fucking game? Do
they do that where he's just a robot the whole time?
But I forget, But it's like, maybe they'll do that
with Jim Carrey voice to get and he can make
some voice acting money, you know, like and you're just
like all right, there you go, you know, like check
this because you know, Jim Carrey deserves to keep living

(38:26):
a happy, nice life. I feel like that it seems like.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I mean these movies have basically been his retirement.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
You're just like kind of a return to form to
like his really zany like nineties or at least two thousands,
like Jim Carreys.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Because I feel like this this robot Nick especially uh,
they it pulls from uh, you know a little bit
from Batman the Riddler, you know from bat from Batman.
You know, like definitely it's like it's him doing that
sort of thing. I mean, he was always sort of

(39:03):
doing that again you know, it's just.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Doing That's just him. He's just doing him well.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I mean that by like bringing the grandiose villain thing
to it, you know, like instead you know, like because
like yes, like he's done Grinch and you know, like things.
But it's like it's cool to you know, get go
full full you know, meet Meg. Yes, but I feel like,
you know, he could. I do feel like they you know,

(39:33):
they make it silly this time, but it's still fun,
you know, like he's still a good time for a
botic But I feel like, you know, Jim Carrey, he
gets you know, he, like I said, can continue to
do what he wants to do forever and ever, you
know sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
But uh more music, Yeah, just pivoting. I feel like
the Live and Learn not and like, but some of
these movies, like are really shy about including the music,
even the fucking Mario movie with its unnecessary insert songs
which they composed music.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
For, I know, which makes it like I've seen it
in them.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Put the composed music back into certain scenes and you're
kind of like.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh, that's why it is better. It's odd, damn we missed.
We missed straight up a whole nice like Donkey Kong
med medley that they had made.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, and like even just the the sabotage scene in
New York, is that at the beginning when they're they're
like jumping through a bunch of stuff and.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Oh yeah, no sleep till Brooklyn, No sleep.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Till Brooklyn, and like, and I've seen them put the
Mario music back in and you're kind of like.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, like that was that was definitely like a last
minute change.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, well money, you know, like that's money for everyone involved.
That's the reason why they do that, you know, Michael, Oh.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
You guys got as far as actually composing it, and
all of that stuff that's missing from the movie is
still on the soundtrack. This was really last minute because.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Like I mean, think, think about it. When when we're
talking about money, is that like an original soundtrack, the
musicians and the composer and the studio make the money
back on on that, you know, like on on that
type of stuff. But when you put a licensed song

(41:28):
into it, it's not only the artist makes the money
from it. They you know, the studio that you know,
Universal or whatever, makes money from it. They sell a copy,
you know, like another copy of the song again, you know,
like it it's it makes a lot of financial sense
because it's basically a repackaging of already made products that

(41:49):
they're that you know, they don't have to chess. No,
I'm just saying it for the podcast. It I'm just
saying it for the podcast. I feel like sometimes some
people do not understand why these decisions are made at
that type of level, you know, like why did we
slap no Sleep to Brooklyn in here? Because you know,

(42:09):
everyone can make a little money, you know, like it's
basically it, you know, like it. It kind of goes
from being like oh yeah, when we sell our soundtrack,
you know, like this these people make money. But like
you into the Spider Verse and from across the Spider
Verse both knew what they were doing by putting in
like a soundtrack that they made themselves for this movie.

(42:32):
But with various artists, it's like spreading the love, but
they control the love, you know, like instead of just
being a pop thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Like it's exactly yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
You know, it's like certain things can happen, you know,
Gardens Galaxy can like re give a band life, you know,
it can like make them the retirement.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
During a soundtrack specific to the story you're trying to
tell as supposed to like put them it's like put
something put something popular in here, because.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Puts a bin, puts up loud in here, right, come on,
let's go.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Uh. But I I I do feel like there was
some good music. I feel like the music was good here.
I just feel like we could have used some more OST,
you know, like you know, like and even like great
because it was good when it was happening.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
The OST was like Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Even great like adaptations have this problem. Like Castle, the
entire first not counting Nocturne, the first whole series of
Castlevania only uses Bloody Tears for one battle, and that's
the extent of any of the video game music.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
They use that all the time, Like you're like, what
what you know, Like it's and it's one of those
things where we're starting to get to a point where
like the faithful adaptations that are using the music are
getting the money, you know, like and I'm winning their
awards like Fallout, you know. Like so it's like one
of those things where we're kind of like you kind

(43:59):
of said, they're being like all right, you know, like, uh,
I mean I kind of needed so one big another
disappointment as a fan, and I feel like this is
just me nitpecking at this point is when they did
the helicopter seed, they say, what, no in flight entertainment,

(44:20):
I'm out of you the opening Sosonic two and then
he jumps back and they fly out and they don't
use a skateboard or anything to skate on.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
They just land and fight.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
If you're gonna do that one, I might as well
do the fucking air boarding. Or like the City Escape
shit and two. Just the way it was delivered, it
felt so ham fisted.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
It's it's it's it's a fine line because it is.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
It was funny. It's funny because it's always been bad,
you know, Like, but why did you not give me
rolling around at the speed of sense?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Like I disagree, it's not always been bad. Perfect the
situation in which he's in. I mean, he's literally been
arrested and he's just given them the middle finger as
he's on his way out. Yea, as supposed to like
we're working together. Why would you save this line right now?

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, I mean it's just to be you know, it's
like a superhero line, I guess, you know, sort of
thing as I took it as But it's one of
those things that they like are doing the reference, but
they don't fully commit to the reference. And guess what,
that's one of those moments that I was talking about

(45:33):
changing your brain chemistry. That's it, like the the skateboarding
to that song through this, like I could play the
level again and again and again and again and again,
like I really can't, like and I've done it, you know,
like I've just went to the song simply.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
That was like the first big song that I had
everyone pop the fuck off. I just have the clip
of it that I like to watch every now and
again of when I saw everyone just fucking freaking out.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
That's great. I love it.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
This is one of those things are like they want
to make those hallmarks, but they shove it in places
where it doesn't work, Like stop trying to fucking make
the gotta go fast thing a thing. It's always been
a meme. It's a lyric from the Sonic X opening. Yeah,
it works because that's what the song is, but every
time we try to fit it feels like we don't
fit it because it's appropriate. We fit it because oh
that's what the normies think of when they think of Sonic,

(46:21):
they think fast face.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
But I yeah, I feel like there there's things to
leave behind and grow in four. And I feel like
the best move in Sonic four is to literally go
to more morbious Morbius mobius to and just completely go
full animated move fasto movie, you know, like straight up

(46:49):
like you get like that, I'm fine, Like, let's please
do that because I'm sick of dealing with humans.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
I like and and with doctor Bond being dead.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Let's just move on.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
We've had three adventures that have been on Earth. Everything
is all so domesticated and kind of boring. The closest
we got was the second movie. He's like running through
the temple trying to catch up to egg Man and Knuckles.
That was sick because it felt like something that was otherworldly.
But we're just stuck in, Like we're just stuck in
like Flatley shot, like probably shot in Canada. It's all

(47:22):
just so domesticated. We're on a fucking long road because
the one thing I ever wanted from a Sonic movie
was a fucking road trip.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
With a cop. But to be fair, I when we're
talking cinematography for this movie, I do feel like they
they amped up a lot here.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I feel like only when it pertains to like when
it's fluwly CGI scenes basically yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Well no, no no. I feel like even you know,
like the reveal of Gerald Robotnick, I feel like they
did a good job of him, like walking out of
the shot. I feel like they you know, there's a future,
like really like well done lit dramatic scenes here that
like kind of outshine the other two movies in a

(48:03):
big way. And I was kind of like, all right,
you know, like in just that aspect. But when we're
talking okay, action sequences though, I feel like this uh
is I feel like there's sequences here that are really
well done. Like there, I feel like the first Shadow

(48:23):
fight is uh like a classic anime fight, you know,
in a lot of ways, you know, like a you know,
like and I think they did. I think they did
that in a in a in a great way. And
of course the end fight is basically a big like uh,
you know, dragon Ball reference. I feel like it's a

(48:44):
you know, like a huge dragon Ball reference. But then
they kind of go into uh at the end there
they're like them fighting all the robots. That was sort
of a there was sort of like a Gundam reference
in when they're like fighting in space. It's very strange,
you know, like like very like you know, like I.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Mean, they needed to find something for them to fucking
mow through. We do this for every action movie.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
We need some like nameless drones so we can.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Plow exactly exactly. They gotta have it, you gotta gotta kill.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Especially since they weren't, especially since they were never gonna
do the fucking bio lizards. They're like, okay, none of that,
so you gotta have something for them to fucking fight
in space.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
But I did. I did like those sequences because they
were well done. Like they they're not they're they're actually
like feeling kinetic, you know, like and moving instead of
when we the first movie. The the only like big
highlight of the action wise is him fighting uh taking

(49:47):
down those missiles.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
You know, like that is the one that's like all
slowed down. That was just and that was in the trailer,
you know, like that was like yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
In the trailer, but we're kind of over that effect
the whole like slowing down the time. We've been doing
this shit since fucking Futurama, and to be honest, nothing
has topped the quicksilver stuff from the Fox Act. Yes, yes, yeah,
we nailed it. We nailed it there, and everything is
just kind of been in its shadow. The closest we

(50:19):
maybe came was like the speed for sequence in the
Snyder cut. But either way, like, yes, I would say,
we gotta find a different way to protray speedsters.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Yeah, because I feel like they're they you know, the
Flash movie gets some of it, but it's weird about it,
you know, like and you're just like, ah, so it's
like none of none of them haven't as perfect as
the Quicks, you know, like, so I'm glad they've kind
of like but that that kind of kinetic fight sequence
they bring in more in this I feel like and

(50:50):
that and that kind of feeling of like moving through
the fight sequence as they're doing it. It happens more here,
and I feel like they're able to come because it's like.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
So not held back, because even the climax of the
even the climax of the second movie is just like, oh,
Sonic Go is super Sonic and fights a robot in
the suburbs and some shit as opposed to like them
fighting and they're going through the earth and they're fucking
bringing up lava and then they fucking punch each other
to the moon. I'm like, this is what I'm.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Talking about this, right, You're just like you're like, Okay,
we're like doing something with the Sonic enough with like
the people won't buy it.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
We have to make it realistic. Put a bunch of
human characters in. We're three movies deep. These movies have
made a lot of money. You should now have the
confidence to just fucking go for it and stuff playing around.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
And I feel like, I feel like that's some of
the biggest strengths of this movie is when they really
go for it, you know, like and and even when
we're talking about like even you know, I thought I
would cringe really bad at the dancing or bot next scene,
but to be fair, it's just kind of wacky fun,
you know, Like I thought I would cringe real bad

(52:01):
at that type of thing, but I didn't, you know,
like I mean, it was you know, not it wasn't
made for me. That that that type of sequence, you know,
like it's for the kids, and that would make them
laugh because to Jim Carrey, you know, like you know,
like and that's that's totally fine.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Like I probably would have had a much better time
with it where I could, because I fucking ate up
anything like Jim Carrey.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Related exactly exactly. I mean, I yeah, that's very similar.
So I feel like it's commendal.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I'll take Laser Light Show dancing with two robotics because
robotics already inherently like a clownish character as opposed to
like fucking sonic and tails dancing and uptown funk yes.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I mean, yes, yes, yeah, That's why I'm saying this
is like when we're talking about like the mistakes of
the other movies, they've all done dance sequences, and like
the first one is rough, the second one is I
could see why the kids would like it, but was rough,
and then this one, I can just see why this

(53:07):
is fun, you know, like I can just see why
it's fun, you know, like it's not. I'm not upset,
you know, like like I'm not like, oh my goodness,
please stop. You know. There was no flossing, yes, And
I feel like it's just like even like the sequences
of them being together in the VR, like had sets
and doing like fun stuff together was actually really fun.

(53:30):
And I was kind of like, Okay, this was like
an added bit I did I thought would be stupid
and for kids. But I love this, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
You guys, I'm glad it have that context at least,
because I remember seeing clips of that, like the Santa
thing where he just fucking tackles them, and my house
was like, what in the fuck where what is the
context for this?

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah? Right, it is fucking funny though, like just like
the seeing the Santa the like it's it's it's some
good physical humor. Like I I get like I've seen
interviews with people being like Jim, you know, Jim Carrey's
reaching a physical humor here that you know was like
and you're like, yeah, Like, I feel like this still

(54:14):
feels like the physical humor of Liar Liar, This still
feels like the physical humor of Ace Venture. Like he
even at this age, he's still bringing that, you know, Like,
and I feel like that be.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Like slowed down. It's not like when you watch It's
not like when you watch something like Rush Hour three,
you're just like, oh, Jackie Channing's smooth with him, He's
getting up there now.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
And uh, you know, like even I feel like with
Ben Stiller, I feel like we're kind of reaching a
point where he's kind of not as funny as he
used to be. You know, I'm kind of worried about
Happy Gilmour too. You know, they seem to be involving
a lot of men. No ben Stiller, like I'm talking
him playing the like mean, uh oh yeah, yeah, he's

(54:58):
a big part of the second movie. I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Like, but I'm skeptical about a happy kill More two
period period period but could be fun, you know, like
probably bad, but could be fun.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
But that like, I feel like it's one of those
things where I I may not forgive Ben Stiller for
Walter Middy and they, you know, like and I and
and I feel like at this point, I'm not really
like excited to see Ben Stiller in a role, you know,
like I'm kind of like stop, I'm just like no,

(55:34):
he's in the new Sisa music video as just like
singing her song, and I'm just kind of.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Like anybody else. But I'll forgive a lot of things
for the guy who directed Tropic Thunder.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I mean fair to be fair, Yeah, you're you're right
to de man did Dropic Thunder And of course you know.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
He know what, everyone has their peaks and valleys and
their eventual like dip.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel like, you know, at
some point you have to figure out where you place
new in your acting roles, you know, like where you
should be, you know, because that's when you don't change
on that, that's when you I feel like we're getting
that point that so he needs to change.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, And even when Carrie sort of like recognized that himself,
he had that like pivot in like the mid too,
like the Oots, where he's just like, no, I want
to do serious stuff now. I want to do stuff
like the majestic and eternal sunshine of the Spotless Mind,
just to show people that I do have more rains
than just you know, me being silly old me.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah. And did you see uh you know who's taking
a serious turn, super weird Marketplier. He's in an Amazon
TV show this this month that just dropped, and he's
in a movie coming up too, like a very kind
of serious movie. And you're just like, okay, good good job, Marketplyer,

(56:56):
you know, like, but it's kind of funny because of
course the kids aren't letting them have it at all.
Like every time they advertise the show, I see it
the comment sections like market Flier you ain't had, and
you know, like you're like, like all the kids are
just like Mark Afli, you know, like instead of being like,
oh cool, he's in a show, they're like they're like
Mark Afar the like, and they're just not caring about

(57:19):
whatever the show is, you know, like, and you're just like,
all right, all right.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
But besides the point, I.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
I I enjoy this movie. I think that this is
finally where we should have been from the very beginning.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
There's a great cast. Ah, there's some funny jokes, some
good action sequences. There's definitely some grown jokes and some
sequences where you're groaning, but definitely not as much as
the second movie, and nowhere close to the first movie
where you're just like, please stop with the whole first movie.
The whole first movie, you can stop, but this, you

(57:59):
know that they're this one. I feel like I can
watch it again at some point, you know, and like
enjoy it and like, God, because I I.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Could watch it again.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I'm gonna watch clips of Sonic two. That's all I
can do.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, I could watch it like maybe one more time
and not be angry about it. Yes, I'm not going
out of my way. I'm frothing the mouth over it.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, when when your buddies like I haven't seen Sonic
three yet, you'll be like this one time.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yes, I'll put it on fuck it backet.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
But but basically, does it belong on your warpshelf? Yeah,
if you're a Sonic fan, if you're a Sonic fan,
you're gonna be fucking over. You're gonna be over the
Green Hills for this one, You're gonna be fucking excited.
You're gonna be really, you're gonna be chuffed, mate, You're
gonna be excited.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
I was schuffed over select.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Bits, yes, exactly, but also those.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Not select bits didn't make me angry. Yes, I put in,
Like I've mentioned my media thread before, I think I
prefaced this one with just like I didn't want to
kill myself, And.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
You know, that's that's a really solid review for from
the Shawn, I didn't want to kill himself watching it,
So that's a that's a solid review. But I don't
know if this belongs to everybody shelf per se, But
like all the Sonic movies to own, this is the
one to own. I do think this will probably be

(59:26):
on Paramount Plus in a couple of weeks, you know,
or uh and you know, so I'm not saying you
need to own own.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
This for your shelf.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
But again, guys, physical media, you never know when they're
gonna not be streaming the Sonic movie. So if you
are a big fan, put it on your shelf. But
if you're not, this could be one of those ones
that you just keep on streaming. You see, sometimes you know,
like or but if you if your kids fucking go
ahead over heels this for this one, you're gonna want

(59:56):
to own it. You want to want it on Blu
Ray because Paramount Plu will just get rid of a movie,
you know, like they're like, oh yeah, we own that
and they're like, now we're getting rid of it, you know,
like and just to give the streaming rights to Netflix,
to to Hulu, you know, like to somebody else for
a little while.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Yeah, so it's not just them, that's just streaming service.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
That's just streaming service general.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
But because Mask of the Phantasm is getting put on
maxim like it's been on max before, cycling in and out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Ah god, it's the same thing as I think it was.
It's it's Netflix being like we got Furiosa, Yo, we
got Furiosa, and you're like, HBO had Furiosa this whole
fucking time. Like whether like you're like you're like, okay,
like you know, it's some of those things that you're like,

(01:00:45):
what like, oh fine that we haven't not had access
to Furiosa yet, but okay, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Specifically for like those people who only have Netflix and
refuse to get anything else, Yes, which is Netflix, like
it's the only source of TV.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Good for you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Good for you to those people because they're probably saving
some money.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
But uh, but at the same time, you know, you
could just share services with your family and friends, you know,
like that's just another option.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, thing and saving money is relative as the hot
prices keep can continue to fucking hike up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
So that's kind of our I mean, is there anything
else you want to bring up? We were kind of
we kind of gave our like final review. Is there
anything else you want to bring up about this Sonic movie? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Nothing specific. I would say if you've liked the movies
and it was like your gateway to the games, yeah,
I'd recommend getting Sonic and Shadow Generations, Yes, just because
it's a good it's like one of the best of
the modern games.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah. And if your a parent made available again sitting
there being like which game do I get my kid
to show them? Sonic?

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
You know, Shadow in a game? Get that, you know,
like that's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Gonna probably be the most accessible, the nicest, Like, yeah,
you play the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
If you're a little older and you want to go
directly to the source, your only option is either buying
it on original hardware or getting it on PC. But
the problem is the PC version, specifically for Sonic Adventure Too.
If you want some shadows stuff is ass. In fact,
I was just troubleshooting for a couple hours.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yes, I was wondering what was going on because you
were on and off Sonic Too. Like it was like
I was sitting there playing the game and just cut in,
like so I you, And I was like, yeah, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I was trying to get it too. I was trying
to get it to fucking up boot properly for like
two hours.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Oh. I had some similar issues with Steam Deck. I
had to look up a solution, and I made it happen.
I don't remember the solution off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
But there are a couple of different ones. It's a
couple of My primary thing is that, like the launcher
for it is so old right straight up doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Isn't that crazy? Is like, literally, this is a released
game on Steam and it doesn't work, you know, like
people are spending money and probably having to refund because
they can't fucking figure out how to launch this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Because I wanted to play it with mods, so I
moded the shit out of it just to like clean
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Oh really, I had.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
To modit just to get it to m And then
when I finally did get it to boot, my fuck,
it wouldn't detect any GamePad I would plug in. So
I had to literally download a mod to install just
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Holy shit, dude, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
And I finally got it working.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, and this is a game they I think they
gave it verified status. I'm not sure what they gave
it on steam Deck. And I was kind of like,
I was like, what the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
From what I hear, it like really varies from person
to person, Like I have a friend, it's just like,
oh yeah, I used to run like shit on like
my last laptop, and on my new one it ran
fine with no issues. And I see like it goes
back and forth. Some people runs just fine, a lot
of people just it gives them issues.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
It's five dollars right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
I had to go like deep, dude, I'm talking like, oh,
I have to go into these system files and start
renaming shit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
That sucks. So, I mean all of Sonic is actually
on sale right now, guys, So if you want, like
if you're buying on PC, every Sonic game is available
for sale and fifty percent off or more. Sonic Mania
seventy percent shit dog, don't get Sonic Forces save yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Yeah, especially with generations being available again, they're modernite is reasonable.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
To be fair. There isn't much on PC though, Like
this is I'm looking at a kind of parse list
of Sonic games that are officially on Steam. Like because
you have Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing, Sonic Hedgehog
four on the episodes, Uh, Sonic Adventure two, Sonic Adventure
two Battle, Uh, Sonic All Star Racing Transformed Collection. Uh

(01:04:53):
Sonic Lost Worlds, which is great, yeah, not great, Sonic
Generations good stuff, U, Sonic Mania, Sonic Forces, son Team
uh yeah, crap Team Sonic Racing also it was okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Yeah, not great, not as good as the All Star games.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yeah, and then Sonic Mania Encore, which they count as
a separate thing. But that's kind of crazy that that's it.
So no Sonic two, like, no Sonic three, No, none
of the advanced games, you know, like kind of nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Maybe not in that bundle, but there's no way there's
not because the Origins collection was specifically based.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
No they got yes, no, no, no, they got a leg
They got it as a separate bundle of Legacy collection. No, no,
even here, What the fuck it's not here? They just
got Sonic Adventures.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Because I'm pretty sure Origins is on PC.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Maybe they're just being weird with their bundle here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
No Sonic Organs is They're.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Lying to me. I hate them. What the hell?

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Is there a Sonic team list here?

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
No? Of course not. Okay, so there's there's other not
much though much, not much, but like to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Be fair, it is kind of your specific bet because otherwise,
like a lot of this stuff doesn't have modern ports.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Last time like SA one and two had like a
port on consoles was like PS three, three sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
I sort of wish, you know, in a world where
we got Battle Network as a collection and we got
all the Sonic I mean, we got the Marvel versus
cap coms as a collection, I would love a Sonic
Advanced collection, you know, like all those games in one
beautiful package, you know, like that plays well together. I
know that would be kind of crazy, but like in

(01:06:40):
a world where we're doing that thing, where we're bringing
all the advanced games back to like play all together,
you know, be kind of cool, be kind of nice
to be able to play those games again because advance yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Exactly, especially for a franchise this beloved, like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Come on, yeah, And and I worry about advanced games
because they you know, once you know, something comes corrupted
on those things. If those files haven't been transferred somewhere,
those games are gone. You know, like it's just kind
of like, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
And I worry even more for DS and three DS
because functionality is an issue.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Yeah right, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Hard to like replicate that in emulation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
It's scary. It's scary how much games can disappear. And
I mean we kind of talked. I mean, this is
the whole point of this podcast is like what should
you own and take home?

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
It's like one of but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
One of the things, yes, but like it is, but
like what when we're talking about this movie, you don't
have to own this one, but I would try to
own as many Sonic games as you can because they're
notorious for this type of shit where it's like, oh,
I can't play that anymore and then the only way
is the high Seas and they don't exactly like that,

(01:07:55):
but you know, but that's the way. She b you know, like,
I mean, this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Guy right here, the Sonic Gem collection was a big
deal because it was the first time we got some
of this stuff. Like if you didn't have a Segacy D,
which most people didn't, then you weren't playing Sonic CD
until they ported it to this No.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
And Sonic CD is a fun time, you know, like
it's weird, but it's a good time, you know. Like,
and there's also Sonic CD Pinball, right, there's another there's
another Sonic Pinball game that's hidden on the CD. Just
kind of like it's crazy, you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Know, we still to this day have like Sonic games
that have never been localized.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
No, the kind of fucky.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I mean, I'm lucky to have a lot of Sonic
games on my you know, my emulator machines, like you know,
like like you know my MEO here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
But like it's still that's not the same thing, you know, Like,
and even.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I would say there's bigger problems is that the like
modern collections just straight up a lot of the time
aren't as good as used to be. Yeah, Like you're
paying how much for Sonic Origins collections, which is just
one through three and Knuckles and CD where it's like,
I gotta make a collection plus on the PS two
right here that has Sonic three, and Knuckles that has

(01:09:14):
three D, Last Spinball that has Mean Bean Machine that
has some of the game Gear games.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Right, and the game Gear games are fun, Like I
had a couple of them. So you're just kind of
it's one of those things where you're like, it's scary
with how the Sonic Games in general, like they're the
biggest example of just like it, there could be lost
media very soon, you know, like and be cause it's
just such a big you know, it's a big franchise now,

(01:09:42):
but it wasn't at the time, you know, like and
things can just fear like that, you know, like, so
was she regardless? Yeah, Rick guy, listen, Goodbye games. Basically,
own the Sonic Games if you can, cause you never know.
I would say, yeah, own a physical copy of the
song generations too, like that that that feels like something

(01:10:03):
that you're gonna want to own a copy of. Don't
just be like I have it our Xbox game Pass,
you fucking know, yeah for now, fucking yeah, own it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Own this ship because Sonic Games.

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That's that's crazy. So we will so, I mean, just
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Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Yeah, would probably be that, unless we want to talk
about that or something cool.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
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that review is coming up, your views coming up, and
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We will be talking about every game we beat that
was new to us. We will talk about, you know,
like or if Deshaun platnumed an old game, he you know, like,

(01:12:22):
you know, like still beat the fuck out of it,
even if he's playing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
A Platinum a lot of games this year.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Yeah, Jesus Christ, dude.

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Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Hopefully this time I won't have somewhere to be, so
I'm not trying to rush you through it.

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(01:13:06):
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Rest of your week.

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