The Warped Shelf - The Incredibles - The Warped Shelf

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Hello, and welcome to the Warpshell. I'm Frank durand I'm Deshaun Basquez,
and today two artists reach into thepile of movies. It could be comics,
it could be TV shows, itcould be bidja games, just any
sort of art form that moves you. And we decided through the pile,
what's worth taken with you now?That can be physically or that can be

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spiritually. Yeah, and we're decidingtoday if The Incredibles, on its twentieth
anniversary, belongs on your shelf.It's I can't believe it's been twenty years.
Like I literally can't, because thesequel only came out in twenty eighteen,
you know, Like so it's likeone of those things where you're like,

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you're like, you're telling me theIncredibles it is that old at this
point, and you're like, yeah, two thousand and four, baby,
and it's a little hurt. Yeah. I mean, I still kind of
felt that when the second film hadcome out, just because I saw so
many memes about just like no kidsallowed at Incredibles to get the keeping the
fuck out of this movie. Getthese kids out of here. They're not

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the ones who've been waiting, andI mean, I feel a little bit
like Incredibles is one of those moviesthat is riding the line often if it
is like a young kid movie atall, you know, like it has
a lot of things that young kidscould like, but there's a lot of
adult themes going on all over theplace, and especially so in the sequel.

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That's definitely one of the many reasonsit struck a chord with me because
I was a kid who did notlike to be talked down to in my
entertainment. So anytime something was theleast slightly adult or which is more a
translation to just like not talking downto its primary demographic, I always appreciated
that I didn't need to be panderedto, which I feel like is a
big thing in kids content. Ifeel like a lot of people will be

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like, oh, that's a kidsshow because they know how it's talking down
to people. And I feel likePixar often or used to not talk down
to their audience, you know,like, and I feel like it's one
of those things that that might bejust Brad Bird being doing his first movie

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at Pixar, because this Incredibles iswritten and directed by Brad Bird and if
you didn't know. He was askedmany times to join Pixar, John Lachetaire,
how do you say it to JohnLester is a too many times?
And then it took it took WarnerBrothers like not promoting Iron Giant Giant for

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him to be like, well,screw you, guys, I made a
masterpiece and you guys don't care,you know, like, and still to
this day, Iron Giant is quitehampered by its lack of advertising and its
lack of just sharedness. Yeah,time, time has like come around on
it in terms of like iconography,Like the Alamo Draft House in Boston,

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when you walk into the entrance,there's a giant, fucking Iron Giant statue
in the lobby. So like timehas come around on it. And it
went from like cult to like iconicstatus but definitely underappreciated. And another movie
that doesn't talk down to kids,Yeah, exactly. And I think that
that was him coming into Pixar andbeing like this movie is a direct response

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to him being like, Okay,I get to make whatever movie I want
because they've been asking me forever andI'm making my superhero fan movie. And
yes, in the first five minutesthere's the cops and robbers shooting guns at
each other, which I don't knowif that's happened back in the it's not
even like well before that. Weactually don't open on like the Spectacle.

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We opened with the interviews. Yes, I was gonna get into that,
but I just wanted to be likethis already. They're like here they literally
the shot comes up. They're holdingthe gun, they cock it and then
they start firing and that's the shotand you're like, You're like, oh,
they're being like, hey, thisisn't your normal Disney Fair. This
is not your normal Like, thisisn't toy story, you know, like,

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and I'm not saying this is hardcoreor something, but even Batman the
animated series was like guns, wecan't freaking show guns. They bit but
like no, but they fought forit. They fought. Yeah, that's
what I mean by never gonna seerealistic looking guns again. By the time
you got to something like where theBatman they all look like toys. There's

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just like, oh, they're yellowand they're they're they shoot, they're like
shock pastels or something. But yes, I do uh, I do agree.
The opening in The Incredibles is geniusbecause it starts off with this secret
identity documentary that they're that there wasobviously even old at the time of like

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that's supposed to take place in thestory and uh, and it's just it
it's a great way to introduce notonly the characters the universe, but just
like the attitude of the whole thing. And it's also just introduced there.
And it's also like emphasizing personality andcharacterization first above the spectacle. Spectacle informs

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like personality and characterization. And Ialso love the touch that all three of
the characters they interview because it's specificallyBob, Helen, and Frozone and the
three of them where they are intheir lives at that point. They end
up on the exact opposite end ofthe spectrum in modern day because Bob wants
to settle down and then President hehates that he's settled down. Helen doesn't

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want to settle down. She's theone who's most acclimated to settling down.
And then Frozone is just kind oflike a casual like ladies man who doesn't
want to be tied down. Andthen you get to modern day and he's
married, a married man with honey. Yeah, I think it's quite I
think that is a genius way tointroduce It's so simple and it's and you're

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able to feel that change to themodern day, which, by the way,
by I keep doing that quotes becausetechnically the secret Identity in the Marriage
happens in nineteen fifty two, andthe whole of Incredibles Incredibles two happens in
nineteen sixty two, So it's notexactly like these are period pieces, which

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I enjoy thoroughly, you know,like I hear you it, Pa,
but also timeless because it does havelike that retro futuristic vibe to it too.
Which I think is so great aboutthis movie too, is that like
some of the future tech in thismovie we just have now, you know,
like and that's not even that far. Like I know they were trying

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to show that like oh yes,like like look at this future tech,
but like, yeah, like whenhe at the same time, like we
have tablets now we have yeah,I tablet out of the Manila envelope and
the fact that it has like oh, the facial recognition to detect him,
and like, oh shit, wehave both of those things now, right,
there's a bunch of things in thismovie where you're like, we have
that now, you know, likeand I don't think that they were trying

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to like super send it to thefuture, you know, like with those
devices, but still kind of interestingthat like all the tech here is is
real, you know, like nowadays, and we're actually having use of it.
And I'm like, Bradburn definitely has. He definitely really likes that like
fifties, sixties like retro futuristic mixof what do they call it? I

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forget because it's not it's like aslightly different I think I think adam Punk
is a name for it, likeone of the names. Yeah, because
it's present here, it's also presentin Tomorrowland, and it's also there's a
little Tomorrowland. You actually watch TomorrowIt wasn't great, see, but it's

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worth bringing up in terms of likeaesthetic that he likes. Yeah, I
like brad Bird, but I waslike, that looks not good. But
it is. But it is oneof those things where it's just like if
it's bad, and it was,I don't blame him for it. Yeah,
it's just Disney attempting to just they'rejust so desperate to get that Pirate's
money. It's just like, wekeep adapting our rides into movies. One

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of them is gonna hit like Pirates, we swear, even Jungle even the
Jungle Ride cru Jungle Cruise. It'sfun and they made a ton of money
off that, but that was notthe Bangbusters that, like Pirates is.
Yeah, still is going to bebecause they're making more Pirates movies. You
know. Like the point is likehe really likes that sort of like retro

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fugere futuristic aesthetic because it's here,It's in The Incredibles. There's a little
bit of it in an Iron Giantbecause that's also a period piece and you
can really see it in the designof the robot. And I guess his
next film is also going to leaninto that pretty heavily too. He's like
working on it now. It's calledray Gun is in like two separate things,
Ray g U n N. AndI guess I like that to be

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like retro futuristic. I mean,I'm I like it, you know,
like I'm a sucker for it.I mean, we because he brought up
Batman, the animated series, andthat is my childhood, and they had
such a you know, an adlike a retro arts echo, like sort
of like period but timeless at thesame time, like futuristic technology but also

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like TVs. Right, But itworks because that kind of echoes like what
superheroes were in their inception like thisis pulp. Yes. And what I
love about this movie is that it'snot just one genre, it's no I
think that's the important difference between AndI'm only going to bring up Incredibles two

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to compare how good Incredibles one is. Like, guys, we're not talking
about Incredibles today, but it isgoing to be brought up to be like
see what you missed, See whatyou fucking didn't see, you know,
like because the number one thing that'smissing from Incredibles to other than the MESSI
script and just the all over,just at the wall that it is,

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uh is the literal the the Incrediblesis a spy film with superheroes in it.
And that is how it was pitched. That's how it was inceptionized,
you know, like that's how theydid it from the beginning, and it
shows just that smooth like Jane's Bond, Sean Connery sixties seventies, you know,

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like with feel one of Michael Jacchino'sscores because I am Yeah, I
will never hold back in saying that, Like Michael Gichino is a very talented
composer, but he has a lotof gen but he has a lot of
generic scores. You could tell likewhich ones really the grit list, which
one's fantastic. Yeah, But andhe'll have stuff like the Abram Star Trek

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movies, which are really good scores, but then'll have stuff like the MCU
Spider Man movie scores are kind ofnothing. His score for Rogue one is
he gonna give them credit though ifhe did come up with he kind of
did that Spider Man theme and thathas stuck, you know, like it's
like the man's good at themes,you know, Yeah, because it's an
orchestral version of the old cartoon theme. Yeah, that would have that would

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have happened with or without him,That's true. I but I do you
gotta give credit. Like even onIMBD the top three are Star trek Uh,
The Batman and the two last Planetof the Eight movies, which are
like some of the greatest soundtracks ofall time. You know, like no

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question, like I'll make him justyou know, getting that paycheck on an
MCU movie when he's doing stuff likeThe Batman, you know, like you're
like, oh, yeah, shit, and that was my thing coming out
of The Batman, just like wow, this is his best score in a
bit. Yeah, And I doI do think that The Incredibles it's extremely

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like the Spy theming, it wouldhad to have a great soundtrack, you
know, like it had to andhe but it nails that feel with introducing
still like nice themes for each characterand every and just just the way it
flows is absolutely incredible, and itjust it harkens back to like old school

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comic book characters were a lot ofthe time, they were kind of this
blend of like, yeah, superheroics, but also a lot of like
espionage stuff you think of like theShadow, the Spirit or depending on the
era, even Batman, Like that'sthe way Grant Morrison tackles Batman. Even
Nick Fury, you know, likewe're talking about like straight up spy things.
That was a very popular comic,just Nick Fur. It's like that

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specific flavor of pulp, which likenow that the superhero genre, especially on
the live action side, has goneon for so long, that sense of
pulp has like become a lot morehomogenized when it wasn't yet because this was
even a decade before like Winter Soldiercame out, right, yeah, no,
no, this is That's That's whatI think is important when you're watching
The Incredibles is that this was atthe beginning of this superhero craze, you

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know, like and that's why Ithink is another problem with Incredibles two is
it's a response to the modern superherocraze. And by that, I mean
it loses all of its uniqueness andflavor that it has in The Incredibles one.
You know, like, yeah,it's mostly because it's like a shallow

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examination of it. Yes, butwe'll talk until we're blooming the face about
the miss potential of Incredibles too Well, it's not about it too too much,
but I uh, I do thinkit's it's quite interesting because like,
guys, let's get into like whywe're doing an episode on this, because
you know, this is a partof our FI top one hundred, which

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could be you know, like Ifeel like they don't add many animated movies
to that list, but I thinkit is incredible. It's not I scrolled
through it to make sure because Iwas like, can we just slap a
number on this and be like we'reskipping around, you know, but no,
they have like snow white and that'sit, you know, like yeah
for the historical Yeah, and you'rejust like okay, all right, you

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know, Like, but I dothink that this is one of Pixar's best
and I I do think that there'sa lot to be examined here. I
don't I I yeah, it was. It was always one of those things
where like I would always say TheIncredibles is my favorite Pixar film, and
I would have to clarify, know, it's not just because I'm a sucker
for Cape shit. Yeah right,You're just like sure, that does make

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me laugh like out loud. Itdoesn't hurt. But I don't love this
film just because it has superheroes init. Yeah, and not just because
I do think that this is oneof the most quotable movies, not only
that Pixar has made, but likein general, just what it's a very
quotable movie full of things that aregreat. Like I saw that that that

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that the American Film Institute had didput a list together of best movie quotes,
and for some reason, you slidedog you caught me monologuing was on
that list, but not honey,where's my supersuit? You know, Like
I was just like yeah, likelike I was just like, wait,
wait a minute. I know youguys are just looking for what you love.

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The monologuing joke, yes, metoo, to too, uh,
but like, not only is itsuper quotable, but I think that there's
some interesting stuff going on here withwhat they're trying to get at with Incredibles,
Cause I think that mister Incredible onlyonly can judge the reason why he's

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so upset with himself in the whenhe's domestic domesticated. Is that like mister
Credible judges himself by his accomplishments,you know, like what he's done in
his life, you know, likewhat he what the newspapers say, what
the you know, like what thepeople think about him. So when he's
hiding, he can't find any satisfaction, you know. Like and I think

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that that's sort of an interesting takefor Disney, you know, like and
then and then going into like thatsyndrome wants to make everyone super to ruin
people being super, And you're like, is syndrome like boomers being upset about
participation trophies like like I'm not like, what is what I was going to

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bring up because like I go backto that like argument that Helen and Bob
have of when he comes home lateafter like the fire, yes, and
that idea of just like there's aceremony for Dash from moving from one grade
to the other, and they're tryingto treat it like a graduation, and
he's just like, it's ridiculous.They find new ways to celebrate mediocrity,

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but when someone is genuinely exceptional andthey're like wow. There's a lot of
exceptionalism talk permiated throughout this movie,and it's interesting. Bradford has an interesting
philosophy because he's not like full objectionist, Like he's not some like iron rand
nut, but he there is likea balance if you look at like because
if it was like full like fuckingfountain Head nonsense, then it wouldn't be

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about like serving society would just mostlybe about like the selfish aspects. Aren't
we great? You know, likeyeah, aren't we awesome? Like but
there is a little bit of thatgoing on where it's like like this family
is it's like they tell Dash notto you know, like only win by
a little bit, you know,like or like he couldn't do it because

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he would win a lot. AndI think it's interesting because I think that
it's kind of a microcosm for Pixarand Disney where they hire the best in
the world, Like I'm talking thePixar animation departments gotta be full of the
greatest minds in animation ever, youknow, like ever, and then they

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make them make bullshit sometimes, youknow, so they just like there definitely
is like the parallel to just likefilmmakers or creatives and jazz, which just
like for if you were just gonnakeep me on a leash, right,
or even just like like talk aboutjust the park workers, you know,

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like the guys who put on thedaily shows at at at Disneyland, you
know or Disney World. They areexceptionally talented, could be in any one
of the movies that that they're makingthat day, but no, instead they're
at the park their fifth day,fifth time doing a certain show that takes

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like life defying like stunts and bigmonologues and having to remember a bunch of
shit and also being personable to thepeople that you're there with, like im
probably not being paid enough. Yeah, probably not getting paid enough. Like
it's one of those things where it'slike Disney is expecting the best to make

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you know, a Midwest family happyfor a minute, you know, like
and like and they probably won't remembermost of it, you know, like
sort of thing. And I thinkthat that's sort of interesting for Disney to
tackle, you know, like beinglike being like being like, oh yes,
but exceptionalism, you know, likeyou know like you're kind of like,
ah, guys, you kind ofput the leash on these people,

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you know, like you do this, Like that's weird. It is.
It is a philosophy I can't necessarily, like Holly argue with you're like the
whole like everyone one special dash wasjust the same thing as saying no one
is. I'm like, well,yeah, that's it's an arguable one.
That is that is a quandary.It's a quandary. But it's like it's

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it's also one of those things thatI think it's it's it's a generational thing
because I feel like boomers didn't givea shit about their kids. So gen
X was like, hey, Igive a shit. Uh, here is
making you feel good for what Ithought was a devastating moment in my life,
you know, like where they're like, oh, you lost a baseball

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championship that like fucked them up askids, but and their parents didn't give
a shit, and now they're likegen X was like okay, let me
give participation trophies. So everyone feelsspecial. But then you have kind of
the millennial feeling of like, oh, we're all the main character and you're
like, h are you you know, like are you? Are you?

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You know, like you're like ah, And then I think it keeps going
to give you participation trophies. Yeah, I think it keeps going down the
line, you know, like whereit's like you know, like Jen Jen
Jen Jen the sorry gen X andJen A. It's like they they're dealing
with this kind of like resigien X. It's like gen X then Millennials,

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then uh gen z or zoomers,and now it's gen Alpha because we're old
enough that like we're already in anothergenerational shift and it's going to be another
one very soon because Jen Alpha isalready old, you know, like Jen
Alpha is getting up there and we'regonna start seeing them in the workspace,
you know, like we're already,you know, seeing gen Z like growing

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up in the workspace and work andwe'd see what name we come up with
them. Now these are like fuckingPokemon versions, right x Alpha jen Z
right is just generation super. You'relike, wait, wait to god.
Uh, But I do think it'sI think it's interesting as a thirty one

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year old. You know, Iwork in film, you know, I
work at video and uh, andit's interesting to see the you know,
the gen Z and now we're gettinginterns who are like technically jen Alpha,
you know, like, and it'sit's wild because all of a sudden,
you're like, what our last intern? We were like, we were like,
where were you at nine to eleven? And he was like, oh,

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I was actually born two days afternine to eleven in New York And
we were like, god, damn. It supposed to exist before, it's
supposed to exist after two thousand andone. Why are we? And uh?
But it is interesting to see thedifference in generations how they handle this

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pass down guilt, you know,like that is keep comings down and I
feel like that's sort of what's happeningin Incredibles here. Yeah, And it
also makes for like interesting motivation orat least partial motivation besides just pettiness for
Syndrome. Who In the past,I've gone up to bat for Syndrome as
a villain, not just because notjust because I love Jason Lee, which

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I do, yeah, which he'sI have. I have heard people be
like Syndrome was like an okay villain, but just kind of would defend Elon
Musk to me, you know,like because that's what I thought. This
time around, I was like,Oh, Syndrome is just Elon Musk a
great villain. Not only is helike ahead of the curve on that like
an Elon Musk type, but it'salso the only time the like bitter nerd

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slash fan boy turned villain thing hasever worked. Because we've tried it a
million times. We did it withRiddler and Batman Forever, we did it
with Aldritch killing and Iron Man three, like we've done it if you did
it with Electro in The Amazing SpiderMan two. But this is the only
time it's like ever worked. No, I agree, because it doesn't rely
on that he's a socially a netyou know. That's that I think is

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the big difference, where usually thegeek villain. It's like they were socially
slighted, but here it's literally likehe he tries to go up to his
he meets his hero basically, youknow, like hero like not what he
expected, and that can it feelsit feels real and pathological. I was

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having a conversation about something similar yesterdaywith Rob because he's making me rewatch the
Teen Titans cartoon, which I've neverbeen the biggest fan of because I love
George Perez's run of a comic andit's just it's not my Teen Titans,
but it's a decent show in itsown respect and Titans. You're you're a
Titans fan. Yeah, I'm justkidding. It's a real Titans fan.

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But if they wanted to make theif they wanted to make the cartoon,
good wor's Donna Troy. Yeah,But the point is we got to like
whatever the hell that villain is called, the one that's just like I'm the
evil neck beard who like has teacontrol of like TV and stuff. And
I said, even when this episodecame out that Trope was tired and I
was making a joke. It's like, it's not like the nebbish neck Beard

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nerds you gotta worry about. It'slike the fucking manisphere Andrew Tait nut jobs
that you have to worry. Yeah, and I was thinking about that,
like watching this again with syndrome,Like he's not like socially in net like
you said or Nebbish like yeah,no, big bang theory, bullshit,
it's like real and pathological. Ilove the moment where he has that flashback

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to like Bob rejecting them, andit's a completely different perspective than what actually
happened, right like, and thenit gives you that actual moment of like
we you know, you can seeit from mister Incredible's perspective of like that
kid put himself in danger, likeliterally was caused a train accident, you
know, like or you can seethe or you can understand that everybody has

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a different perspective, and from hisperspective, he went up to his hero
and his hero shut his dream down, you know. Yeah, and and
like so it speaks like on thatgrayness of like kids are very impressionable,
but also the like most organic portrayalof like a toxic nerd years before that
would become like a recognizable thing,right like the Harley Quinn nerds that they

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slap in to make fun of theirown show like that where you're like,
yes, the toxic nerds, therethey are, you know, like and
I think that the the nerd turnedvillain it has it has a root in
that, like Spider Man was anerd and then he becomes you know,
Spider Man, you know, likeand everyone can connect with Spider Man in

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that way or like everyone can connectlike relatable. But they they so they
try to do the reverse with thosevillains, and it doesn't exactly land most
of the time because they're not andI know they're trying to do this to
make them a villain, but they'renot. Like you can't feel for them,
you know, like you and youcan't empathize. Mostly it's also funny

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how like they make it more cartoonishthan this actual cartoon because you look at
like how like subtle and just howlike a real person syndrome feels as opposed
to something like you know, JimCarrey and Batman Forever those movies are silly.
So he's like, you know,he's doing the Jim Carrey thing.
But something like Electro, which evenfor the amazing Spider Man comes just feels

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like so tonally confused with like thebad comb over and the teeth or just
like what the fuck is this?Oh, they were trying to be like,
look, we made Jamie Fox theCoolest Man Alive a nerd, you
know, like I know, theywere trying to go for that, you
know, where they're like, oh, yes, we made Jango fucking you

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know, like like we made hima nerd. But like at the same
time, you're just like, nah, no, you went too far,
you know, like you went alittle too too ironic, because they did
like the nerd aspect of Peter sowell in the First Amazing Spider Man.
Yeah, we're just like, yeah, he's a nerd, but yes,
he can skateboard, but also he'svery socially awkward and he has like these

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weird like physical tics like I've knownkids like that. Just like that feels
believable as opposed to like, youknow, the stereotickleling pocket like a packet
protector. Niah. Yeah, it'sit's more of I think it's kind of
one of those things where they makethem pathetic and I and I don't know
why, you know, like becausethey're trying, you know, like they're

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trying to make your empathize with them, but making them pathetic doesn't exactly work,
you know, like because it justit doesn't fly, you know,
it doesn't. Going back to theendangerment thing, uh, things that just
hit different when you're adult. Anadult, I find the like the thing
that made supers retire so fucking funny, which okay, yeah, super funny,

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but it is. It was funny. We were talking to our our
old roommates and she's and nanny andshe just introduced her kid to The Incredibles
and she had to explain what justhappened there because like, because a man
tried to kill himself, the superherosaved him, and you're trying to explain

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to like a three year old thathe didn't want to be saved. And
in the American legal system, wecan sue people for that shit, you
know, just like but obviously thatdoesn't actually happen in the real world.
But like so that's why it's funny. But like the concept is not like
you know, like it's not toofar from what I can picture actually happening.

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Though it's in the same way thatlike, it's in the same way
that like Alan Moore would tackle watchmansjust like if superheroes actually existed, it
would actually become really fascistic, whereashere it's just like one spheres in a
lot thing. We'd probably run intothis sort of legal like scuffle. I

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agree with you there because and Imean, if you haven't heard the true
story before, you know, everybodygrowing up brought up the lady who sued
McDonald's because she the coffee was hot, you know, like yeah, but
then you you actually hear the truestory of what happened where she was handed
the coffee. The coffee had beensitting there for maybe sixteen hours boiling,

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so it's not it's not just beingmade. McDonald's had left that shit boiling,
and she literally like the cup disintegratedin her hand and burnt her lap
and she's forever having to live adifferent life because of that, you know.
Like and but as Americans, wewere all like, haha, lady

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sued because of you know, likecoffee. You're like, she's so stupid,
and you're like, and of coursemc donald's was also pushing that propaganda
because I didn't want to pay upright, And it's like it's messed up
because they literally it was negligence,you know, like and they hurt somebody,
you know, like, and weshouldn't allow big corporations to just hurt
somebody like that, you know,Like but of course Americans are like showing

(31:15):
people. Oh god, speaking oflegal departments and big corporations. You know
what hits different now that I'm thirtyand actually have worked at an insurance company.
Is the stuff with Bob working atan insurance company. Ah damn,
yeah, I know, like atfirst you're just like, oh, he's
just a good guy. But then, like you know, a little bit
older, you're watching it going likeshit, you just want to do this

(31:37):
every time, and it's so it'sso interesting just being like remembering how well
this movie is communicated because watching thisas a kid and you have no idea
about insurance or like how that likeworld works, but you still get the
sense that, like this is wrong, and like the Bosh is a fucking
sweep and he deserved too. Honestly, you got off easy. I do

(32:00):
love the boss there. I thinkthat. Uh, what's the voice actor
who voices him. It's Walla Shawn. Yeah, he's so good and like
so good at playing a dick andlike and he's he's perfect. It's also
the irony of like Bob working ininsurance after being a superhero and all like
the property damage jokes and stuff likethat. And there's there are a bunch

(32:22):
of like little touches that they do, Like one, it's desaturated. The
camera's like very like the aspect ratiohasn't changed, but like the focal length
has changed, so like everything's kindof squeezed in. Everything's like very almost
monochrome. There's little stuff like whenhe's sitting in the room being interrogated by
the boss, like everything's pointing athim. The pencils are pointing at him,

(32:43):
the desk is kind of pointing outof him. There's little touches like
all the slogan on the pencils isyour life is in our hands. You're
like, yes, but yeah,touch of If you're watching it now,
you think, and Bob thinks thistoo, that the notice that the boss
moves on his desk is a terminationnotice. Bob thinks that the audience is

(33:07):
supposed to think that, but ifyou look at it, it's literally a
pamphlet that says, like, uh, the company, you will pay for
your own parking now you'll buy yourown food. Oh and we've made record
profits this year, you know,like it's all like this like big like
costs, like you need to payfor all your office supplies. Yes,

(33:29):
and you're like, uh huh,that's what I need to do my job,
Like you should pay for that.But I think that that's an amazing
little bit that like Bob comes inand he feels so persecuted that like he
you know, like he feels likehe has nothing to lose, and the
fact that like he has to helpthis old lady in the completely legal manner,

(33:52):
but he's not supposed to because we'resupposed to people over to get more
money. We're not supposed to theline. He's like, legally, yes,
we are supposed to help them.You're like, just like have there
been complaints? No, Just like, are you're saying we shouldn't help our
customers the law requires that. Ianswer no, when you're just like yeah,

(34:13):
fuck yeah, it's so true.It's just more of that this movie
is is not. It's like,yes, it's marketed now as a kids
film because they could sell the toys, you know, But I don't think
brad Bird was very like he waslike I'm making my movie here. Yeah,
not the like very much stereotypical kidsfilm, because it's still a kid's

(34:36):
film. And again it's just akids film that doesn't talk down to kids.
Yes exactly, I'm not saying yeah, I'm not saying it's some adult
you know thing, but he waslike that that stereotypical like children's film that
you would associate. I watched thismovie twice leading up to this episode,
once just on its own, andthen watch it again with Bradbird's commentary.

(34:58):
And one of the things see ourwhich is great because I remember this when
I watched it with commentary years backon the DVD. He has like this
huge ramp about like people calling andwe talk about this all the time,
animation as a genre, and it'sjust like, animation is not a genre.
Yeah, animation is an art form. And he was joking. It's
just like, if I go intoone more interview and someone asked me,

(35:21):
what's it like working in the animationgenre, I'm gonna punch someone. It's
it's so true. It's one ofthose things where you're like, yo,
this is a medium, you know, like that is not a genre,
you know, like this is notlike it's just so like people want to
put things in certain boxes and andthey wanted diminish what it takes to make

(35:44):
animation. And I feel like that'sthe real problem with being like, oh,
animation is a genre. You're like, yeah, like horror is a
genre. No, I don't think, so get together, you know,
like you're like, come on,like that's because I've seen horror animated films.
I've seen spot. Well, nowwe're talking about spy and superhero animated
film. You know, like thisis not that they do genres. It

(36:07):
is it is a method, it'sa form. It's an art form,
you know, like it's not It'salso like that's also a generational thing because
you know, we have our parentsand our grandparents who like would grow up
more and like the cusp of likeanimation becoming a bigger thing and the idea
that like it was mostly marketed forchildren at the beginning, depending on like

(36:28):
the case, so that's what youassociate it with. And I feel like
that's like, as the generation shift, that's becoming less and less of a
problem, but we still have workto do. Like I'm glad that like
my mom, of all people,is open minded enough that like I've shown
her Castlevania, I've shown her Arcaneand she loves it. And so I
note that just like I wish Ihad stuff like this cartoon wise growing up.

(36:52):
Yeah, my dad is less sohe's called several things I've watched just
cartoons, and I'm just like,it's an anime, you're like, and
it had people being cut up,you know, like what dead you watched
it with me, you know,it's obviously adult. You can always sense
cartoon derogatory and like, don't youdare? Yeah right, It's like the

(37:13):
quickest way to piss an anime fanoff is to call it a cartoon.
Yeah, I love I love cartoons. Don't get us wrong, we love
cartoons. But it is one ofthose words that it means a lot of
other forms of animation. Yeah,it has, it has a specific connotation.
It's kind of like how Japanese devsare being mad about the term JRPG

(37:38):
because they're like, no, JRPGjust means it was made in Japan,
and it's RPG. You can't justcall it that, you know, like
it's many other things, you know, like and I sort of get that,
like because it's a little bit racistin frustration, But it's also a

(37:58):
way to diffrench because a Eastern styleof RPG is very different from a Western
RPG but a final fantasy game.Are completely different philosophies to the point where
they might as well be considered separategenres. True, I do think that
a lot of our Eastern RPGs areaction RPGs, And you can just say

(38:21):
that, you know, like youcould just be like, that's an a
RPG, you know, even noteven on that sense, like I'm not
comparing like say like Kingdom Hearts tolike a Skyrim, even if you go
back to like turn based on bothends very different philosophy. JRPGs tend to
focus on like the power fantasy aspect, and Western RPGs are more about like
the actual nitty gritty tabletop like statsstuff. Yeah, I feel like you

(38:45):
can feel that with in the bigdifference of the two biggest RPGs of recent
years, you got boulders Gate,you know, which is straight up D
and D you know, like youare playing as that character to being like
I mean, I was gonna sayPersona five, but like you know,

(39:05):
like lots of other Yeah, no, Persona's the right comparison, because you
do have stuff like social stats,which has like visual novel elements, but
it's still that like JRPGs are doingall the math for you. Yes,
you're getting the most like streamlined versionof that, so you don't have to
worry about that stuff. I feltthat way when I got two of my

(39:25):
friends into Night c the Old Republicwho have only played JRPGs. So when
they start the game and they're justlike, constitution strengths, What the fuck
is this? Just like that's thepretty RPG elements of the RPG. That's
very fair. Actually I like that, But yes, do not call I

(39:46):
wouldn't even call this a cartoon,you know, like I just I just
wouldn't, you know, like Iwouldn't call The Incredibles a cartoon in any
way it is. Yeah, that'swhy we have the term like animated film,
animated series, like come on mate, but back to you know,
like to the Incredibles. I dothink it's it's because we were talking about

(40:09):
the downfall of the superheroes and it'sit's funny, you know, like it's
a good joke and everything, butit's sort of interesting because like, what
is it saying, you know,like, what is it that like,
yes, shove those people down,you know, like, but also we're
supposed to see that as a badthing, you know, like we're supposed

(40:29):
to be like, Okay, that'sbad, you know, like and then
the private company steps in and startshiring the superheroes. You know, in
both of these movies, it's likeit's the private sector who steps in to
lift these people up? And isthat what they're going for here? Is
that like the government might keep youunexceptional, but private companies will lift you

(40:53):
up. You're like, ah,because I think maybe more so in the
second film, because the second filmis very confused, yes, but in
the first film you do have likethat give and tick of just like wow,
I finally get the opportunity for likea private sector to do my thing.
But they're they're also the bad guys, it turns out. So so

(41:15):
it is that great area of justlike there are exceptional people, and depending
especially depending on where you and especiallydepending on like where you've been brought up,
we tend to like to squash peoplelike that. It's just like,
stay in your lane. What makeswhat makes you think you're special? I
do think it's interesting to compare thisto uh, say My Hero Academia because

(41:42):
or even X Men, you know, because like they're they make the argument
here that like once everyone's special,no one's special, and then you look
at my hero and you're like,everyone's fucking special, Like and guess what,
it's still rad you know, likethey're workless people in My Hero Academia.
Yeah, but yeah, yes,and they make a big deal out
of that. I feel if theydo a good job of being like this

(42:05):
is we're saying something here, youknow, Like, but I do think
it's interesting that like that the privatecompanies weren't hiring them before that, you
know, because it's one of thosethings that they knew superheroes existed, and
would you think you would want thosesuperheroes with super strength to do whatever crazy
thing you need to do. Butyeah, but that's what the movie's saying,

(42:29):
I guess, you know, isthat like the society was like no,
no, no, stay down,you know, even if but I
appreciate, even if it would behelpful. This film is always just frank
about the way it talks about thesesubjects. Like I think about the argument
that Helen and Bob have in theapartment. I right always think about that
talk that Helen has with Violet andDash after they've like survived the plane crash

(42:52):
about like, this isn't like thoseshows you used to watch as a kid.
These people will kill you. Ilove that moment because it it first
off to me, says, youknow, like this is not your normal
kids film, because now we're explainingto the kids that we're not dealing with

(43:14):
cartoon cartoon villains here. You know, like that these people will kill you.
They don't care, you know,like they're not gonna have some mercy
about this. They're going to killyou. And like, I think that
that's such a genius like moment becauseit speaks to the kids and it speaks
to the adult audience and is like, hey, you know, like there's
some sterio like and there are evenmoments that you like don't catch the first

(43:38):
time, like when when Violet jumpsin front of Dash and then uses the
shield and they start like running likein the hamster ball thing. Violet doesn't
know that she can do. That'sjust in front of Dash to take the
bullet because her brother's about to getshot. And then she gets lucky that
the shield comes up right pretty crazy, pretty great, like and I do

(44:00):
love when she does her powers.A couple of times she like puts her
head down and throws her hands up, very like Phoenix from X Men.
But it's like it's so like partof the character, you know, where
Dash is keeping his head up thewhole time, and Mike and so is
it missed incredible and Elasta Girl,but like Violet does not, you know,
like, and I think that that'ssuch a it's cool. It's really

(44:22):
funny that The Incredibles is the onlygood fantastic for a movie. Fuck,
you're so right. God damn it, I mean, god damn it.
Two, you're right. It's downto the point where like two of the
members of the Incredibles families had theexact same powers as Too Fantastic four members.
Violet is the invisible woman, it'sthe invisibility but also like shields and

(44:45):
stuff. Yeah, and Elasta Girlhas like the flexibility, the stretchy stuff,
mister Fantastic and then Jack Jack canturn into the human torch. So
you're like, hey, like likethat's that's pretty crazy. I I do
think that the family dynamic and thestakes of having the family there is what

(45:07):
keeps this movie interesting, and that'swhy they fuck it up so bad.
Incredibles Too, because literally, inthe middle of watching it, I turned
to Mary turned to me, andshe goes, what's the stakes here?
And I go, Oh, they'regonna crash the boat into the thing and
all the superheroes won't be You're like, oh, I have to explain the
stakes. That's bad. It doesn'tfast. It doesn't matter Incredibles. To

(45:31):
one, it recycles the exact Forone, it exactly recycles the exact same
plot beats, except it's a rolereversal mm hmmm, which I doesn't explore.
I like that they're building on thecharacters. I do like that,
but it's it just feels like it'snot just Incredibles Too, as the Rush

(45:53):
sequel we would have gotten years ago, not the sequel we should have gotten
like over a decade later. Likethis shit would have been straight to video
back in the day. Yeah,and it would be on Disney Plus right
now, you know. Yeah,this would be like a straight to Disney
Plus like follow up, not likea true follow up, because you think
you get to the end, andwe've taken so long to get to a

(46:14):
sequel that you're like, all right, well, the superhero genre in film
has completely changed since The Incredibles cameout. We could really tie into that.
It's also been so long that obviouslythe actor for at least Dash,
because Violet was already voiced by agrown woman, Yeah, would be too
old. So maybe we do atime skip and we really go into like
how much things have changed since,like supers were able to come back,

(46:36):
and like what we do things differentlynow. But no, we just decided
to have it take place right afterthe first one ends, and we just
do nothing with any of those interestingThey separate the characters, which is a
huge mistake, you know, LikeI feel like they like in the first
one, it's like Bob goes offon his own and they all have to
go after Bob, but like,at least they're all going to get damn.

(47:00):
In this one, Laster girl goesby herself, Bob has to go
do stuff with Jack Jack, andyou know he's working with the family,
but it's all very separated, andI know they're just trying to give everyone
time, but that means that there'snone of the family dynamic going on.
It's just like it's so paint bynumbers, just like we made a big

(47:21):
deal of just like the world hasopened. I hate it. We bring
this up a lot, at leastI do the like Men in Black two
problem of we've opened up the world, we have endless possibilities, and then
we go for the easiest, smallestidea we can think of. I remember
like all the world then in Blacktwo as a kid, but like now
we want to get You're like,oh, god damn it. Yeah you

(47:42):
liked it because it just reminded youof the first one, because it's just
the greatest hits of the first oneagain and it's one of those things where
it's just like, oh, theworld's opened up, soupers can potentially come
back, how things could potentially bedifferent? What do we do? We
defeat the underminer and they have togo into hiding again. Yeah, you're
like what what? What? Likeso that happened a week later? You
know, like the triumph of thefirst movie is just gone. You know.

(48:06):
Yeah, you're like cool, andnot even in like a clever subversive
a like we're not trying to likeempire it or anything, justin they're like,
we don't know what to do.So we're just gonna recycle what we
already did. Yeah, And Ifeel like that's the great thing about Incredibles
is that it's able. It's endlesslycool the whole time, and you know,
with the spy theming going on,but also it actually feels like a

(48:30):
family drama and like every family memberactually is important here. And the thing
is is that I do love Boband Helen. I love them, you
know, like I think they're they'regreat characters. But I gotta say I
enjoy Dash and Violet so much more, even in the rewatch as an adult,
you know, like I loved himas kids, but like as an

(48:51):
adult, I'm even more Like theybring the fucking energy to this, you
know, like they they change itup, and I feel like, I
like there's that just whole middle partof Incredibles too that just feels like they're
just throwing shit at the wall andeating their own tail meta wise, and
and here that is not happening,you know, Like it is such a

(49:13):
flush right towards the end, andI fucking love that, ye know.
And this isn't really took buzz inViolet. I mean sorry, but it
takes the kids Dashed. Sorry,I don't know why I call it buzz,
but it takes Dash in Violet tolike amp it up in the second
movie, you know, like oncethey're introduced to the actual action, you're
like, okay. It's also amovie that justifies its run time because for

(49:35):
a for like something under the Disneyor Pixar umbrella, because I don't think
Disney had bought Pixar yet at thispoint. It might have been maybe soon
after maybe yeah, because there wasa few years in a couple of movies
before they outright bought Pixar. Yeah. But the point is like under that
umbrella, like you expect ninety minutes. This is an over two hour movie,
but it knows that it needs tobe, yes exactly, It's not

(49:59):
meandering around. There's no wasted spacehere like I like I talk about how
structure bothers me on this podcast,and Incredibles is one of those extremely well
structured movies. It just freaking moves, and it's able to keep its characters
and its action interesting, and itdoesn't feel like I'm sitting there being like

(50:20):
what the fuck are we up to? Like it happens in Incredible Stout and
going back to Dash and Violet.It helps that they work so much because
it is so easy to introduce achild's character into a story like this and
have them be annoying. Yes,because I don't know about you, but
like I never as a kid,I never related to like, oh,

(50:43):
we have to put a child characterin this superhero dynamic because that'll be the
one that the kid projects onto.I was never that kid. I'm like,
I don't care. I know.It's one of those things that I
think one of the most recent examplesthat is kind of bad and is but
you can argue for it is badBatch and and they're what's the name of

(51:04):
Omega? Omega? You're like,because she's she's fine for most of it.
Yeah, but then there's moments whereyou're like, oh my god,
just let the bad Batch do whatthey're doing instead of Omega getting in trouble,
like can we please you know,like like like we couldn't just have
like the badass like Wetworks Mercenary CloneTroop. We had to have a kid

(51:25):
in there. Yeah. And you'relike, I get it. It's Star
Wars and you have to like andthere is a big kid audience there.
But now we have young Jedi adventures, you know, like we like we
have these other things or even Resistance, which I don't recommend, but like,
you know, like we have actualkid products in Star Wars. So

(51:46):
I don't understand the Well, it'sbecause they're like, oh, Ahsoka was
so big, we gotta make anotherAhsoka. And Omega is not another Ahsoka.
You know, like you're like,oh, did was that a well
planned out character with Ahsoka? Andthis is nothing, you know, it's

(52:07):
just yeah, was also like ateenager as opposed to like a little kid.
Yes, it's true, it's verytrue, and we do get young
Ahsoka, but like even then,you're not like Darren, what the fucker's
this? You know, You're like, yeah, yog so ca, you
know, like you're like you're like, yeah, let's see, you know,
like like I wanted to know moreabout that character, not Omega,

(52:30):
where you're like you're literally another clone. You're just another clone, you know,
like come on, like let's moveon. Like, but I think
that that's thean Jurassic part here,is that that uh that that they,
the kids and the incredible are sowell realized and so well done, and
they and Violet sounds like a teenager, you know, like I you know,

(52:52):
like when she's taught. When they'retalking at the same time too,
that ship cracks me up, Like, like them both talking at the same
time is so good and so welldone too, because it's not like it's
not easy to edit and do welland like and uh, it works so
well in this movie, especially whenthey're like talking on the plane, when

(53:13):
they're like, yeah, mom,we're just dumb. Yeah, you know,
at the same time, Like,I love that. One of my
favorite most like, uh, likesatisfying moments in the movie, uh,
is kind of a funny little momentthat I wanted to bring up is that
the when the robot is pulling Boband it cracks his back and then the

(53:35):
laugh he does is so satisfying.But it's also such a like a great
superhero moment, you know, likeit's such a perfect Superman moment, you
know, where you're just like,oh no, no, you weren't gonna
kill him. You just made himmore limber, you know, like yeah,
you know, like and I lovethat, and his laugh there is
so good. It's just like andthen he goes and kicks the crabout fantastic

(54:00):
performance is obviously like across the board, like Craig T. Nelson as Bob
and her name is cap and mefor Alasta girl right now, I'll look
it up on IMBD. Don't worry, but I agree the cast here is
amazing. And I mean, ofcourse, Samuel Jackson, now it's like
it feels like standard now to havehim in in like in a voice role,

(54:22):
you know, but at the timewasn't as common. It wasn't as
common. Yeah, Craig T.Nelson, Samuel Jackson, Holly Hunter Holly
Hunter. And then of course JasonLee as Buddy, and which is definitely
like sort of against type for JasonLee. Like you don't you wouldn't picture
Jason Lee in a role like thisfor syndrome. The closest thing to like

(54:45):
a villainous part he had played waslike Asazellen, like Dogma. But you
don't really picture Jason Lee as likea meglomaniacal like super villain. But it
really works what I mean. Ofcourse, we have to bring up that
uh Brad Bird himself voices Edna modeand like we were talking about quotable lines,

(55:08):
everything out of Edna Mole's mouse isquotable, like We literally say it
at my family parties. We saylike Edna lines all the time, you
know, like it's just like Oneof the Incredibles is one of those movies
that like my family just quotes,you know, like and uh like she
it's I think it's amazing that hedoes the voice for her. It's also

(55:30):
it's so just natural. It feelsso like I never would have thought.
You know, I don't know ifthis is like anecdotal or not, or
if it's actually true, but Idid hear that. Like originally they were
going to Castle Lily Tomlin in thatrole, and they were using brad Bird
as the temp, and then theyactually then she read that yeah, and
then she heard the what do youmean? Or you have the voice?

(55:53):
Yeah? I heard that he wasdoing it back, like he when he
was showing storyboards, he would doyeah, Edna Mode's voice, and they
were kind of like yeah, okay, yeah, no, no, no,
you you're already it, you know, like you do, please do
it. What I love about Ednais that she's much more of an interesting

(56:14):
archetype, because you tend to havelike a lucious fox or like a character
like that. It's just like whomakes the tech or makes the or the
queue who like makes the tech ormakes the costumes. I love that they
leaned like sort of like a CocoChanel like fashion designer type who's made this
a whole business and lifestyle. Likethat is way more interesting than just like
the tech guy who like adds thecool stuff to the suits. And it's

(56:37):
way more out of the box.And it also it also fits like that
period that they're trying to capture.Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I
do love how upset she is inIncredibles too, that an actual fashion designer
did elasti girl's new suit like sheit's like how upset she is about ban
you know, Like I gotta say, Edna is the best part of Incredible.

(57:00):
Feel bad about her shitting on thebecause I don't know about you,
but I actually prefer the first misterIncredible costume. I like the blue black
I do. I do like it. I like to like that they're all
wearing the same thing, you know, like and it looks cool. But
yeah, there's something to that originalcostume that feels right. But we're also
blue Batman fans, so what youknow, like me and you would be

(57:21):
like best Batman suit. Is itblue, you know, like when we
were watching The Flash or just likethis movie has problems, but you know
what, Athle looks pretty good withthe blue with the blue cape and cow.
They actually did the blue and itactually kind of works. It kind
of flodes. But I do thinkthat that is you know, it's funny,

(57:42):
you know, like because I thinkthe Elastic Girl original costume is great,
and I do think that the newElastic Girl costume in two is quite
good, you know, like itis it is fantastic, you know,
like you're just like okay, youknow, like it's not the same,
but it is something else. ButI will say, uh, the the

(58:04):
one of the things that I thinkis the most adult, and it's one
of my favorite monologues in anything reallyis Edna Mode's Cape monologue here. First
off, it's literally a montage wherefive to six superheroes die in quick succession
on screen most of the time,you know, like and it's and some

(58:24):
of those things where you're like,oh shit, like they don't that's not
that's not a normal Disney thing,you know, like that's not normal Pixar
thing. Just to be like we'rekilling them, you know, they're all
dead, you know, it's justthe way she moves through it all is
so funny but also extremely dark ina lot of ways. You're like,

(58:45):
oh yeah, it's darkly funny,and that's what I like about it.
We used to we used to bea preper nation. We could actually kill
her. Fuck, we could actuallykill our fucking villains. It's true.
Or in just Disney case, outsideof the Pixars, we used to just
fucking have villains that were just eviland they were just fun to watch as
supposed to, like a twist villainthat's revealed in the third act that has

(59:07):
like no dimension, right, You'relike, even here where Mirage betrays Syndrome,
it's not the same as like,oh now she's good, you know,
like which me and Mary were saying, why was Mirage not the bad
guy in Incredibles Too? You know, like that would have worked where it's

(59:28):
like, oh yeah, I helpedyou, but I still was Syndrome's head,
you know, like the number two, you know, like and like
that, I feel like that wouldhave fucking worked where it was like a
betrayal of them where they like believedin Mirage again, but of course Mirage
is attracted to power and it's like, yeah, so that I feel like
that would have worked so much betteras opposed to, like as opposed to

(59:52):
like my dad was dying and theSupers didn't show up a minute after I
needed them to, so I needto destroy the Supers Like what what?
What is that shit? You know, like, what is that? Like?
I don't know it's bad, butI besides the fucking waste of Bob
Odenkirk and kafrink Heen are goddamn itIncredibles Too, you're like great cast,

(01:00:13):
but damn it, I I dothink that that the not only is that
Kate Monolague great, but it showsoff even more And then you see it
later when he's going through the theindex of dead superheroes. But how good
and simple the superhero designs are likejust so good. And then for some

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reason, the whole group in IncrediblesToo that they're they grew up with are
just terrible characters, all bad,like none of it's original, except for
the guy in Lava, like thejust from an aesthetic standpoint, because they
were trying to like this is supposedto be like classic pulpy superhero stuff.
You compare like the simplicity and likehow perfect these costumes are these to like

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and then fast forward like a overa decade, like twenty years now into
like the superhero genre in real life, and you see, like just how
like over designs and like militaristic allthe like MCU costumes are now mm hmm.
I do think it's interesting that inuniverse, for this, how that

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the superheroes do work for the government, so they all have military training.
And I think that that's sort ofan interesting take that's like in universe of
this is that Alasta girl knows militaryflight callouts, like she says when she's

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flying the plane, she's saying allthese actual like she the actress actually learned
a bunch of like flight terminology andlike brought it to this and like actual
military terminology being used there. ButI think it's a great in universe thing
like oh, yes, we hadsuperheroes, but they were working for the
government, so we trained them,you know, Like, and I think

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that that's an interesting little thing goingon there. You're like, oh,
Okay, wouldn't usually pick up onthat. Yeah, And it's a way
to do it without like deflecting somewhatbecause I feel like we try to like
move it a slightly excuse, justlike well, we don't want to say
it's the straight up government. It'sjust shield shield shield, it's not our

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government. We don't want to gothere, we don't want to push any
buttons. But but to go backto it, I do think that the
the just the simplicity of the suitsthat they show off in the KP monologue
and then when he's going through allthe dead superheroes, they're also fun,
which is a haunting scene. It'sa haunting scene when he like haunting watches

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like all the heroes who die,and then one hero succeeds and actually beats
the Omni Dorid, but then theyupgrade it and it just comes back and
kills them anyway. Yeah, andjust the the it's the close ups too.
It's like they do it's the wideshot of the screen and as it's
moving, it's starting to go withBob's heartbeat, and then you see Bob's
eyes as it's like a close ofhis eyes as he's scanning everything, and

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it's just this it's this beautiful horrorshorrible realization that like this one man has
killed all these superheroes. You know, like and you're just like what shit,
Yeah for what just to be youknow, like just to show that
he could you know, like yeah, you know, like like it's haunting.
It's also a nice touch. Anotherthing I caught watching this again is

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that all the uh, when youlook at who's at Bob's wedding, all
the heroes that are in the secondrow are killed off. I know.
I felt that too. I waslike, oh god, You're like yeah,
and that's and I feel like that'sthe thing there too, is that
they like emphasize that the heroes knoweach other, you know, like yeah,
another one last shot at Incredibles two, the movie Beyond the Underminor Stuff

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was originally supposed to open with likean in memoriam for the heroes that,
like Syndrome had killed to like recognizethat that was like a tragedy in the
superhero community that like all these knownentities were just killed off that way.
Like, if you look up theproduction for Incredibles Too, you'll find that
a lot of cut scenes would havemade that movie better, just like you
guys cut out all your best stuff. Yeah. Yeah, It's definitely one

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of those movies that you could feelsomebody stepped in, not saying it's Bob
Eiger, but it probably was.But it's like somebody stepped in and said
their peace and they fucked it up, you know, like not gonna say
but Rob Tiger. But it's oneof those things that like that's sort of

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what The Incredibles is saying there,The original The Incredibles is saying like,
hey, you know, like youcould try to control superhero like exceptional people,
but like we do need them,question Mark. You know, like
it's kind of like we shouldn't tryto shove down this uh you know,

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like people who are great at stuff, you know, like just to benefit
other people, you know, likeand sure there is the like oh god
to Aaron rand of that, butthen there's the just being like, hey,
in American exceptionalism is the reason we'rewhere we are in a lot of

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ways. That's the thing. That'swhat I said, Like I have I
have heard people like call brad Burneand an exceptionalist. I'm like, no,
if you watch his work, it'snot really there. It's just talking
about it as a philosophical point,like if he if he was actually in
an exceptionalist, like all these movieswith a very different endings. Yes,

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because like you're saying that, it'slike they they're superheroes not because they're great,
but because they can do great good, you know, like and and
it's not just like with great powercomes great responsibility bullshit. It's it's it
literally is like okay, no,yeah, because inherently, like the like

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the philosophy of like objectionism specifically isvery self centered, and none of these
movies are self centered. That's thething. Yeah, It's like it's it
not only is incredible is about family, but it's about like doing better and
protecting people, you know. Likeso it's like some of the ideas,
but also like how does this benefitpeople? How does this benefit society?

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As opposed to had this? Doesthis benefit me? Me? Me me
me me me me? Yeah,And that's why I think syndrome I was
saying, like Elon Musk, butit's like it's very much that where it's
like, you know, like Iwas hurt. I was the one who's
the victim, you know, insteadof those people on the training he hurt
or or anything else. You know, Like it's like or that bom voyage

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got off off and probably bombed morepeople, you know, like you're just
like, no, no, no, I was hurt. I'm the victim
here. Let me make it everyoneelse's problem, you know, and you're
just like, uh, it's alsohit super funny. And I think they
had mentioned this one in like thebehind the scenes stuff. Uh, it's
funny that syndrome looks like brad Birdif you actually look at a picture of

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them side by side. I thinkbrad Bird's joked about it. It's just
like that wasn't the intention, butthe animators thought they were funny. I
I will say The Incredibles does agreat job of doing It's like their cartoony
you know, like there are everybody'slike Bob is huge, but like the

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way they do him actually having faton his body is super realistic, you
know, like where it's not trueand there and I don't think that he's
like you know, like it's oneof those things where it's hard to be
like cause you're not trying to belike, oh, he's now because he's
skinnier. It's like, no,he had he still had the strength obviously,

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he just it's about putting the musclesback into place, getting back into
it, you know more. Yeah, and it makes it shaming of fat
people, and it makes Syndrome isstill bigger here, you know, like
he's got a belly and like,and I don't think they're saying that,
They're just showing that Syndrome isn't usingany of his muscles. And it also

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helps that using his things. Italso helps that they keep it realistic for
his age, that even though hegets into shape, he's not like the
same size as he used to bein his glory. It's like he's still
big. He's just like a healthierbig, yes, exactly. And I
I think that that's uh, justa great little like detail that they added,
you know, because it's not youknow like like of course, LASSI

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girl can be any shape she wants, but like your rubber band can be
any shape it wants, but ithas a resting position, you know,
like and it goes back. AndI thought, I was like, ask
and Marry that. I'm like,do you think Alasta girl makes her ass
that big? You know? LikeI was like uh, and she was
like no, I think that likean elastic band, it just goes back
to its shape and that's the wayshe's built. And You're like, yeah,

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you could tell that's where it goesbecause she has that moment where she
looks at her reflection and she sawit's just like oh god, yeah right,
like she like she she like evenshe's like I can't. She's self
conscious about it. Yeah. Yeah, like she's like, I can't just
stretch that, which feel that YeahYeahshan, You're just you'll find the Pixar

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people. Dude, I'm not asbad as like people blatantly are like on
fucking social media. But even asa kid, I'm like, ain't a
problem. No, I mean,don't get me wrong, don't get me
wrong, but like but I do. Every time I do see Elastic Girl,
I'm like, Pixar, what theIt's just like you're like, damn

(01:09:53):
guys, like I know you She'ssupposed to be sexy, you know,
like obviously from the very first sceneand she's doing the you Gotta be More
Flexible is very sexy and fun andspy like you know, like where it's
just like then like fucking wagon comesswinging out. Yeah yeah. But then

(01:10:14):
again, I mean, we grewup with Dexter's Labs, So what do
we know, Yes, what dowe know? We were we were set
this way, but I I dothink it's it's it's an interesting thought,
you know there where you're just likeyou're like, oh, she can change
any shape, but like you're stillyou at the end of the day.
It's also highlights like how interesting elasticpowers can actually be when you're creative about

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it, and also just how Ifreak out every time she takes the man
cover and pulls it around a poleand launches it like an arrow. I
freak out every time. It's justso fucking cool, Like it's just so
cool. I can't deny it,Like it's one of the coolest little action
bits in the hole. You needto think outside the box. You don't
need to go like full plastic Manwith your elastic powers, especially depending on

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how grounded that version of the elasticpowers are, but you can be creative.
It also highlights like how easier,how much easier it is to pull
it off in animation, because we'vehad let's see three technically four if you
count the fucking Roger Korman film Fantasticfour movies, and varying degrees of success

(01:11:26):
with those with those elastic powers.It was one of my big concerns for
Netflix, like one piece, justlike we can't even do like the Elastic
Powers for like big budget movies.What makes you think this Netflix show is
going to be able to pull itoff? Even Miss Marvel. They were
like, yo, we're not doingher elastic powers now, she just does
like SI stuff. Yeah, it'slike projection. It's like it's like almost

(01:11:46):
green lanterning. You're like, okay, yeah, which, like I under
as a filmmaker, I see whatthey were doing there, like I really
do, But as a comic bookfan of her original powers, you're kind
of like, the fuck is thisshit? You know, like you're like
what why, you know, likewhat and don't even bring up the like
well we already have mister Fantastic.We can kind of have two stretchy people.

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Meanwhile, DC has Black Lightning andStatic Who Cares? Who Cares?
And they were both on the sameshow, you know, like you're like
damn, like both times too,when they did the live action Black Black
Lightning, they did bron in Static. You know, like you know,
like you're kind of like both timesthey can come together and it's not like,
oh well we just negate each otherout, you know, like you're

(01:12:30):
like, come on, come,on like it just it just goes back
to that like the suicide squad joke. You haven't a laugh. You thought
you chose me for my skills.He does exactly what I do. He
does exactly what but cooler? Uh, but I I do. I do
think that The Incredibles is one ofthose just it's absolutely stands out from the

(01:12:51):
Pixar crowd how long and that's afantastic crowd, like, oh my goodness,
early on, Like there's there issomething to be said about like that
wondrous like early Pixar era where it'sjust like four dudes with like these great
concepts that they had had cooking fora long time. And then once we

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sort of got away from that andthings started to get a little homogenized,
and Pixar still puts out good stuff. Yeah, but but there's something to
be said about like that early likeoriginal like brain child stuff. You know.
Yeah, I agree, And it'sit's one of those things that I
like, what is the last Pixarmovie? What was it? It's like,
I mean, oh, it's Elementaland which I heard was better than

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it looked. Yes, I've heardit's a good romantic comedy, you know,
it's just wild that it like isail. I have to remind myself
that, like, don't trust thetrailers because all trailers for children's entertainment are
crap. Yes, oh, thetrailers are always terrible. They always make

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the movie look worse. But okay, so if we go through it though,
you got the early Years, yougot Toy Story, Bugs, Life,
Toy Story two, Monsters inc.Finding Nemo, then The Incredibles,
and then right after that is oneof the biggest blemishes to film ever Cars.
But that doesn't stop their fucking justkeep going. They may they do

(01:14:24):
ratitudey Wally Up Toy Story three,but then I feel like this is where
we start to hit the problem weget because Disney finally bought it. I
feel like that's where we are,and you get Cars to Brave Monsters University.
At least we get inside out.But then you get the terribleness of

(01:14:45):
the good Dinosaur, you know,and Finding Dory is okay, yeah,
it's not bad. Cars three isunnecessary, but I know that that to
me, the Cars was just notmy generation, you know, Like I
didn't like it because I don't givea shit about cars. I like in
general, but like, but there'syounger kids who really do care about those

(01:15:06):
movies. I like see them asthey're franchise. My primary my primary problem
with Cars is just as a premise, it looks it looks like what you
would spoof a Pixar movie to be, rather than an actual Pixar movie,
Like Cars could be a fucking familyguys skit Yeah no, and like and

(01:15:29):
and it. Yeah. Really you'rejust like, oh, we just attached
eyes to cars and now they talkand boom Pixar. You know, uh,
but then you know, we stillget Coco. Uh, you get
Incredibles too, but then you getToy Story four, you know, like
and Onward is okay? I thinkOnward is. It's okay, you know,

(01:15:50):
like it could have been better.Soul. We already did a whole
episode on that. Fantastic. Uh, Luca is undeniable. I think it's
great, you know, like Idon't. I don't think anybody can watch
that and be upset, you know, like is one of those things Turning
Red is is fun. I wasn'tas upset as I, you know,

(01:16:11):
like I thought it was gonna beanother bad pix like kind of a mediocre
Pixar movie. But turning Red ispretty fun, you know, like a
lot of ways. It's saying anice message in a great way, you
know, Like, but then youget light Year, you know, like
and you're just like why you know, like yeah, and then you get
Elemental. But like even when wehave like the good highlights, like,

(01:16:33):
it's slowly becoming more and more homogenized. This time goes on and you're like,
eah, how long had it beensince you had seen The Incredibles where
you rewatched it for this? SoI definitely, I mean I've watched it
a ton. But I back whenright before they put out Incredibles Too,
they were putting out three D versionsof Pixar movies, and I remember I

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have seen Incredibles in theaters originally,so when they were like, hey,
we're putting out Toy Story and Incrediblesin three D, I was like,
I'm fucking there, you know,like let me go see it, you
know, like, like yes,now three D is such a fad,
but it was a great time becausewe got re releases of movies in three
D, you know, like thatthat you would have never been able to

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see in theaters again, you know, like, and it's and and Incredibles
is meant to be seen in theaters. It's great to see it on television,
but on your TV at home,but like it's meant to be seen
in theaters. It's been spombastic.Those explosions fucking rock your seat if it's
done right. You know, likeall the action set pieces are just so
good. Like you brought up likethe final fight with like the man cover

(01:17:44):
and stuff like that, but wehad also talked about like the energy that
Dash and Violet bring to it,which is probably like the most impressive set
piece in the movie. And it'salso a good demonstration of how to do
super speed because we're getting a littleever since we did Quicksilver in Days of
Future Past, we've gotten a littleobsessed with the like I am so fast

(01:18:04):
that I stop time, which isa problem because it makes it really hard
to actually consider anything a threat tosomeone who's that fast. With a flash,
it's appropriate, but even then itshould be a thing when you're doing
it in live action that maybe that'syour top speed that you're able to like
stop time, but you need towork for that hitting it, but you

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like you kind of ruin any potentialstakes if like you can just stop time
at any time because they're so fast, and they do and I think Dash
is a great example of that becausethey do that. He couldn't get caught
on tape at first, and you'relike, Okay, that's really fast,
you know, like that like he'sable to like not be seen moving,
you know basically. But then lateron you have him running from these guys

(01:18:46):
and like and you're kind of thinkinglike, oh, if he was able
to disappear before, you know,like he should be able to go faster.
But it's like one of those thingsthat then they show that he's able
to run on water or you know, like or do any of the other
crazy stuff he does here, andyou're kind of like you're like, there
you go. You're able to showthe speed without being like he's not you

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can't even see him, you know, like he's gone yeah boom. And
there's also a really nice subtle charactermoment there where he's in the caverns and
you have like the two dudes cominghis way and the solution is not to
just run faster, is to stopfor a sec. I do love that.
Yeah, It's like it's definitely areference. It's definitely a reference.
To Star Wars, but it's itis still very good, you know,

(01:19:30):
like it's I mean, that wholescene is is a Yavin for a reference,
but at the same time it's fun, you know, like you're like
you're like, you're like, there'sa reason why they the Yavin, you
know, George Lucas did it infor for a return of the Jedi,
you know, but you know,like that's besides the point. Uh.
But I I think that the actionhere is fantastic, the characters are fantastic,

(01:19:53):
the music is great. It's justthat's why I think Incredibles two is
so dissip pointing, is that likethis feels so efficently cool and well put
together and feels like it's got layersand deepness. And then Incredibles Too,
like you said, it feels likea rushed sequel that we would have gotten

(01:20:14):
a year later, not two thousandand four to twenty eighteen. And it's
like, what It's one of thosethings where like, once again I must
hold myself back from being mean topeople. I have to don't be mean
to people just because they like IncrediblesToo, because yes, plenty of people
I knew came out of it justlike I liked it, it was fun.
It's just like, yeah, tobe fair, it's not like if

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you're just taking it for if you'renot upset, you know, like and
you just take it, it's okay, you know, like there's it's not
offensively bad in some ways. Ithink that obviously we were very upset about
certain things here, but like thereis like for a normal viewer, you
know, like just going into it. It's not uh well, I mean

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the examples there. It's not acars too, it's not uh, we're
getting inside out to this year.I don't think that's gonna work, you
know, like I don't think that'syes, first off, not necessary.
Also, you could have not calledit inside out too, you know,
like you could have called it insideout somebody's name or like, you know,

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like there's other ways to make thisa sequel without slapping the tune next
to it. And I feel like, well, we live in a world
where there was a movie called NowYou See Me, and they called it
now you See Me Too instead ofNow You don't. Yeah, remember that,
it's just like it's right there,it's right out, it's right act.
But they wouldn't have known, No, the audience would know the sequel,

(01:21:45):
you know, like, I meanwe were joking, but literally people
didn't know The Dark Knight was asequel to Batman Begins because it didn't say
Batman two, you know, likeit. But and they obviously feel that
way with the Batman Part two.Yeah, obviously feel like the audience can't
fucking handle it, you know,like, although I just I just feel

(01:22:08):
like that fits the tone because ithas like when you put a part two
with a Roman numeral, it's classy. It's classy. I'm like, I
don't mind that. Godfather mm,but it is one of those things where
it's why we get shipped like glassOnion and Knives out Mystery. Yeah,
you're just like, why can wenot just say glass Onion? Everyone knows

(01:22:29):
what the fuck this is. Itreminds me of like what Francis Ford Kochela
once said about the Godfather movie.He's just like, when I made Godfather
Part two, they fought me sohard because I wanted that part two.
You can't do it a part two. It's going to apply that you have
to watch the first one. Andthen when I directed Godfather Part three,
they fought me because I want tocall it the Death of Michael Corleone,
and they're like, no, youhave to call it part three. So

(01:22:51):
look how the pendulum like swung back. Yeah, and now it's the Now
it's Godfather Part three, the Deathof Michael Corleone CODA. So yeah,
you know, like so you're like, okay, Copola got his way,
but so what cost? You know, like which, yes, And I
think I told you. I watchedCoda like at my dad's house when it

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was just like on TV recently,and I was just like I was just
like, oh my you you youdefinitely saved it. You know, like
this is much better, but notin like a wow, I can watch
this now. I would not.I would argue it's not much better.
I would argue it's marginally better.That's that. But I you know,

(01:23:34):
my thing is that I like,you know, when I first watched Godfather
Part three, I could like feelthe throw up in my mouth, you
know, like when I was younger, and it was like and it was
just like, oh, this isbad, you know, like I can
tell it is, you know,like and watching CODA, I was like,
this feels more like it, youknow, like just the tone everything

(01:23:56):
is a little bit more what it'ssupposed to be. It's still not gonna
it's still not gonna say it stillstill fucking bad. But you know that's
not that they did. It's stillone of the worst sequels of all time.
But like that's about hey yeah,uh, but again, I wouldn't

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say that about Incredibles. To reallyto bring it back is that I wouldn't
be like the Incredibles two if therewere sequels of all the time. It's
fine, But that's the problem isthat Incredibles is amazing, and I constantly
at our family parties are like,honey, where's my super suit? Do
you need to know? Incredibles twoisn't the worst thing in the world,

(01:24:39):
but it still highlights like all theproblems that like a lot of modern Pixar
films have. Yep, exactly.So uh, DeShawn, I say,
Incredibles one goes on the shelf.Of course I don't have the Blu Ray,
but I have the DVD downstairs.He's got He's got the Blu Ray.
Now, guys, we're saying thatbecause Disney Plus has already shown that

(01:25:02):
they'll get rid of movies, evenones that are big off of their platform.
Yeah, even put it somewhere elsein house, like they'll just fucking
take it off for a little bit. Right. It's just one of those
things where you're just like, whatbecause it's supposed to be, you know,
like the originally pitched the Disney Pluswas supposed to be the vaults open.
Now you have it all. Yeah, and that's definitely not the case.

(01:25:26):
And uh and it's and it's oneof those things that even especially nowadays,
you got to own these things soyou can actually watch your favorite movies
when you actually want to watch them. And then even letting them control you.
And even if it's something that youdo have access to, who knows
how much they might have like alteredit because maybe there's a certain thing that

(01:25:47):
like doesn't hold up to modern standards. So instead of just putting a disclaimer
at the beginning, which is allthey need to do, they decide to
like edit it out. Yeah anduh uh and and I think obviously Deshaun
brought up the commentary track. Ithink The Credibles has some amazing behind the
scenes and yes, you can watchthem on Disney Plus at the moment,

(01:26:08):
but for how long? Uh?And you know, like it's yeah,
increasing prices of Disney, plus alot of people might be dropping not every
and not every like streaming service.Most streaming services obviously don't even add stuff
like that. Like I was shockedthat when Barbie got put on Max that
there was a version of the movieto watch with Greta Gerwick's commentary, because

(01:26:30):
they never do that. And thething is, they're only doing that because
that's Barbie. Barbie made fucking bank. But not everything's gonna get that,
Whereas here, like you have twocommentary tracks. You have one with Brad
Bird and you have one with theentire animation team. You have like fucking
ten people on that commentary. That'scool. So if you're into that medium
and you want to know how thesausage gets made, that's the stuff.
That's always my favorite feature on anyBlue Rays, Like I love me a

(01:26:51):
commentary track, I love any behindthe scenes features. Those are always my
favorite, so like, and Pixar'svery good about doing really big ones,
you know, like yeah, andfor Disney, you know, there is
greatly making up stuff for like thetoy Story Blue Rays, Yeah, and
even Disney, Like there's such goodbehind the scenes making of stuff for like

(01:27:15):
a Ladd and Lion King, youknow, like and you literally can't get
that even on Disney Plus at themoment. You know, like it's because
you know they've phased it out orthey don't have it, and like it's
worth purchasing these things if you careabout them like that, you know,
like because you might not see thatever. Yeah, that's why I still
haven't gotten Disappeared. It's like whyI still haven't gotten Lord of the Rings

(01:27:38):
on four K yet because the versionsthat they have they have extended, but
they don't have the appendices. I'mlike, I'm not fucking getting this without
the appendices. You're like, no, you put out a half product,
Give me the whole thing. Giveme the whole thing. And I agree
because that's the reason why I haven'tbought it. And I still have my
really nice you know the Red,the Green, the Blue. Yeah,

(01:27:59):
the DVD I have like that.I have like that Gold Blu ray set
which still has the appendicies. Soyou're like, give it to me.
As much as I would love towatch these properly remastered and finally get rid
of that green tent that was notin the theatrical versions, I want my
appendicies. Mm hmm exactly, butyeah, absolutely Incredibles deserves to be on

(01:28:19):
your shelf, and twenty years laterstill holds up, probably hits even better
now. Yeah, especially, Ifeel like it's not exactly commenting on the
superhero genre, but it kind ofshows you the better way, you know,
like it's like being like, hey, the superhero genre is is just

(01:28:39):
a genre. Let's mix it up, you know, like, let's combine
some spy stuffs with it, andalso, to be fair crime, let's
do some other things. And alsoto be fair I had do you hear
arguments all the time about how theMCUs oversaturated the markets, so superhero movies
don't feel special anymore. To befair, I don't think, I mean,
Marvel has done it, but Iwill give I will give the credit

(01:29:02):
where the credit is due. Sonycan suck it. And they've oversaturated the
market, you know, like withtheir crap uh that they're putting out,
you know, like sure they've madethey they made into the Spider Verse and
across Spider Verse. Yes, someof the greatest movies ever animated movies ever
made. Everything else can stop,you know, like you're just like,

(01:29:24):
I don't need Madam Webb, Inever needed well, I may have needed
a Morbius movie, but not thatfucking Morbius movie. You know, like,
and I'm I'm alone in that sentiment. I like Morebeus, but that's
because he's weird. Yeah, Ilike too. Didn't really need necessary?
Just make these fucking villains in aSpider Man movie. Yeah, yeah,
but of course Sony can't, andthen they can't. They they will lose

(01:29:45):
the Spider Man contract if they don'tmake something with the with Spider Man characters
in it within a year. Sogetting these Spider Man movies with no Spider
Man in them. Yeah, Andnow we are heading towards Craven now,
which I've heard people are excited forthat. But Jesus Christ, how are
you gonna do Craven without Spider Man? Literally, the only thing about Craven

(01:30:06):
is that he kills Spider Man?Is it? It's like doing an Astral
movie. You'd be like, whatthe only thing about him is that he
beats the shit out of Spy aboutbattle? Well, Frank, we made
two Venom movies that have no SpiderMan in them, even though the whole
thing is that Venom is the evildoppel Kanger character for Spider Man. Yes,
but that at least it's Venom.You know, Venom has such popularity,

(01:30:30):
you know, Yeah, he takeson and solo stuff after we do
the Spider Man stuff. Yes,not separate from the Spider Man stuff,
not divorced from the Spider Man thing, which is his whole thing. Even
his design is just evil Spider Man, what the fuck. I have heard
though, that they are interested inthe next Spider Man film, either doing
hob Goblin or their own version ofVenom in the MCU universe. Well I

(01:30:57):
figured that would like we left alittle bit of the in that post credit
scene. Yeah, so I feellike that could be the next move,
you know, to take it backfrom Sony being like no, no,
no, that's Spider Man, youknow, like Venom is Spider Man.
We can use that, you know, like, don't don't think you have
the rights to just Venom, youknow, Like, but we'll see,

(01:31:19):
you know, like I have nohope for that next Spider Man movie,
but we'll see. And I likedFar from Home. Yeah, I like
off topic anyway, incredible. Ifyou haven't seen Way in a while,
it's definitely worth watching again. Yeah, absolutely go watch it again and thank
you guys for watching this episode.Listening to this episode. You can watch

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feel like it's one of those thingsthat the people in our lives like that
we do this so we don't randomlygo on for two hours at them about
incredibles. We get the energy outof here, so we don't talk their

(01:32:24):
ears off because we would. Youknow, like you're like, don't get
me started up Back to Future iswhat I tell most people, you know,
just don't get me started. OrStar Wars. Oh god, I've
even at my wedding. I rememberme and de Sean were up and I
was yelling about Wars. I waspretty drunk on my wedding. Yeah,

(01:32:45):
you were drunk. I was likein the middle of trying to fall asleep
and you just kind of like softlypunched my legs, just like Last Jedi.
Someone's talking about Last Jedi. Allright, Frank, we'll talk about
it all but shows it's it's thefilm goes deep in us and I feel

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out there. Yeah. So ifyou like that energy, though, you
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I'm almost up to the eighties.Spell you're using name for people, so
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so let's make sure that they getit right. It's not as simple
as yep in front of Frank,you know, like, but it's it
is simple and and they should beshould be able to find it pretty easy
and maybe they maybe they think it'sy e p it's yep instead of ye
yep Frank. I've heard that.I you know, when you go to

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places and they're like, what's youremail and I'm like yep, Frank and
they're like hy ep and I'm likeyep, Frank. Like I'm like no,
no, no, no hold on, you know, like no,
no, no, it's yep,Frank. But uh, guys, thank
you so much for the port andwe'll see you soon with with more episodes.
Yeah, probably doing part two becausethat's coming out this week. It's

(01:34:33):
true. I'm very excited. I'mgoing to see it on Wednesday, so
yeah, so I will also beseeing it and yeah what so there we
go. We got a solid planfor next episode. It's doing part two.
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