The Warped Shelf - Wicked - The Warped Shelf

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Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hello, and welcome to the Warp Show.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm Frank Durant, I'm Deshaun Basquez.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
And today two nerds reach into the pile of.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
It can be movies, it can be TV shows, It
could be comics. Sometimes just any sort of like entertainment
or art form that you might that might mean something
to you. We talk about what's worth keeping on your
or shelf. Now that can be literally like the stuff
behind me, or that can be spiritually if it's not
out physically.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
The shelf inside of your body, the shelf inside your mind.
Today we're talking about Wicked Part one. I'm so John,
I'm so excited to talk about this. I'm so excited
to talk about I don't know if people know how
much of a fan of Wicked I am. I don't

(01:29):
even know.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
If you imagine like and imagine like longtime viewers might
surmise that as they might surse as being kind of
the not I wouldn't say the prototypical or even stereotypical
like theater nerd, but you are in the bubbles.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
I'm the theore nerd.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
But as growing up, I had a friend who my buddy,
Joe Felbella. He's a great writer and composer, and he
and me first off did a talent show thing where
he did define gravity and I was one of the
guards and I helped him practice every day, so I
know define gravity so well, like it's it's it's frightening

(02:09):
how much I know define gravity. And then we also
together worked on a fan musical called the wickan of Oz,
which is a sequel to Wicked, which I did not
come up with the idea. He came up with the idea.
I helped him, you know, polish it, finish it. But
we worked on like original songs set in this universe

(02:30):
like this is that I'm a huge nerd about this,
and he's still producing that musical. By the way, I
hope he gets to finish that musical. I I I
really do. That is nerdy layered nerdy ship because not
all like and we were old, like we were teenagers
doing this, like we were like we were like, we're
working on this, We're making the next musical, and like.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Musical musical nerd making own musical that's basically fan fiction
of another established musical.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Well, and then I mean that's not that's not even
my my personal like my shining moment in high school,
like theater was. I wrote a musical called Nazis Don't Dance,
which was a big play on the producers, of course,
but it was like strictly just Springtime for Hitler, like
the musical, and I just like did that the entire time,

(03:19):
and like that's how that's how much of a theater
nerd I am? Is that, Like that's the type of
shit I was up to. Was like being like, hey,
let's do a riff on Springtime for Hitler where it's
the whole play. And everyone was like, you can't do that,
and I'm like, I already, we have Nazi uniforms.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
We're gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
And they were like, don't do that, and I was like,
we're doing it, and like I hope that if I
run for president someday that doesn't come back to bite me.
But it was all a joke to play on the Nazis,
because fuck you fascism. But like, but uh, but besides
the point is that, like I grew up loving Wicked,
and this was before the musical came out. We were

(03:59):
into the book and then we were into the musical,
and then they announced the movie when we were still
me and my buddy Joe were still hanging out in
high school, like we I remember they were like, we're
making the Wicked movie, and I was like, holy shit.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
This has been in like on off development for a long.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Time, long time, long time. Lots of directors attached, a
lot of people attached. Like I remember at the time,
it was like, no, no, no, we are absolutely putting
in the original stars, you know, like we are, you know,
like that's what the Wicked movie is going to be.
And then that fell apart, you know, as as things
went by, and you're just like, damn.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Adel Daze, mister Bigger her real chance there.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
But I so it's one of those things where I
heard about this movie. I was excited, you know, like
cause they're making you know, I've heard about this since
high school. And then when they're starting to like piece
it together, I'm like, oh man, this is gonna be great.
I'm so excited. Like John M. Ch like, the man's
having quite the run of movies. Like you gotta give

(05:06):
it up to John M. Chew, Like I feel like
a lot of people are are not talking about how
much this man is absolutely killing the Hollywood game at
the moment because the man's got a long history of
great of movies, and it's kind of wild, you know,
like cause he's like starts it up with Step Up two,

(05:27):
then he's got to Step Up three D, and you're
kind of like, okay, this is what he's doing forever.
You know, he did justin Bieber Never Say Never, which
I think is funny because that's the number one like
concert movie of all time, and you're just like, oh, okay.
But then you know, he did Crazy Rich Asians later on,
and you're like that was huge. And then he did

(05:48):
In the Heights recently, which I said in our Yearly
Recap video from last year that In the Heights was
my most rewatched movie of last year. I think me
and Mary just kept watching it, you know, like it
was just like this is it was just so rewatchable.
It is it still is. If you haven't watched In
the Heights yet, go watch In the Heights. If you

(06:10):
like Hamilton, if you like you know, like anything like that,
you'll love it. If you loved Wicked Gozy in the Heights,
if and but besides the point, I was all excited
for this. But the one thing that stuck out to
me and I think it sticks out to everybody, and
I've said this to everybody I've run into. I was like,
why is Ariana Grande here? You know, Like I was like,

(06:33):
why is she Glinda? Why is she playing this? Even
in the trailers, I was like, I don't know if
I'm feeling this, like, and she's such a big part,
like of course Cynthia was killing it. I'm like, I'm like,
she's already amazing.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I was.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I could tell from the trailers she was killing it.
But Arianna, I like, I mean that's everything.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I would actually argue the opposite. I don't think the
trailers for Wicked is at least until like much later on,
like the initial teasers and the like for Us, I
don't think looked very good.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
No, I mean I think it had vision. I just
think when I saw the first trailer, I just didn't.
I didn't. I thought there was a lot of good things,
but I was like, eh, And then I saw the
trailers with Arina Grande and I was like even more scared.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
And I was like, cause, like, I think Ariana Grande.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Is really funny. I think she's great in SNL, like
you know, like she does like really she's got comedic chops.
I was scared that she wouldn't be able to capture
Christian Chenowith's bubbiness in the same way without feeling fake,
you know, like because Kristin Chenowitz's uh Glinda is is

(07:42):
so hard to top, you know, like it's just the
way she is just bubbly inherently, you know, It's not
a fake outward thing. It's who she is, you know, like,
and I was scared that they wouldn't be able to
like grab that with with Ariana Grande, I'm happy to say, guys,

(08:03):
she's a fantastic in this. I think that.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I don't know what you think, Deshan, but I think so.
She was my biggest worry.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
So we have two different perspectives here. Yeah, this is
coming from like someone who already had like a horse
in this race, familiar with the musical. Like my only
end too, This is that tangentially. I watched The Wizard
of Oza million times as a kid, never read the
original like L. Frank Baum novels, really never read Wicked,
And as far as Wicked specifically is concerned, I've listened

(08:35):
to like the obc Like album a couple of times,
but that's about as far as it goes, because musicals
are expensive. I've only just recently started going to stuff
like this.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I've never seen Wicked, so that that's the thing. I
have watched cams. I've seen cams of it, of course,
and I was slime tutorialis and I've uh and I've
of course listened to the soundtrack over and over and
over again.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
But I've never you know, seen it.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
You know. That's all the way relationship that is, depending
on where you live, kind of the relationship you got
to have with these types of shows.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
N Isn't it funny? It's like Hamilton in this is
one of those things where people may never see it,
you know, Like that's why this is so important. This
movie is so important to me, I think is that
like I may have never seen Wicked, you know, like
unless I was going to London or now, I might
be able to because every Broadway, London, everywhere, maybe even

(09:35):
Boston next year is going to do Wicked.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
And you're like, wickets come to Boston already a couple
of times.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, I've missed it, and I'm like, damn, I should
have done that.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's just a matter of like when it rolled around
they didn't have the cash short or I prioritize something else.
So like, so far, the only ones I've seen it
in Beetlejuice in Hadestown. One it's expensive. Two it's not
always over here because we don't live in New York.
And three, I mean the industry is also I wouldn't
even say low key. It straight up is of classes.
But that's another topic.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
But I think that that's what's so important about this
movie is that people may have not been able to
see this. And that's why I think that it was
good that they did the Hamilton stage show and they
just shot it and put that on Disney Plus, because
people may have never seen it, you know, like and

(10:25):
that happens for most musical guys love most musicals.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
We've talked. We talked about this way back when I
think I was like the first year when we had
brought the podcast back. We did the movie Musicals episode,
Like we recorded that in like the old ECST building
not long ago. That was that was a while back.
That's funny. We had talked about this, this obsession like
just not the industry never wanting to put out pro shots, yes,

(10:53):
which is what they are. Yes, you hear that Emmys,
You hear that Emmys. Hamilton is not a fucking TV show.
Should not have been nominated.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's true. It's like to being like, that's a TV show.
You're like the one episode TV show. Like, what the
fuck are we talking about here?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's not a movie either. It's just a recorded it's
just a recording of the live play that's called the
pro shot. It ain't that complicated. But yeah, we don't
do this that often. Even that that Hamilton won that
was shot in twenty sixteen, it just went through like
bidding between a bunch of different companies until eventually Disney
got it. And then you know, once COVID rolled around,

(11:29):
just like, oh, I know what we got we could
put out.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I know we got the Disney Volts, but we didn't.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Get that that often, like you maybe get like the
big it's usually the big, big ones that get one,
like you know, a Phantom of the Opera, Les Miss rob.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, and I that's that's the thing is a lot
of people hate on movie musicals. I feel like this
year hated on movie musicals. We had two movies that
were afraid to announce that they were movie musicals. You
have Mean Girls and Joker too, both movies that in

(12:03):
all of their advertising nobody opens their mouth and sings body.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Even Wicked was doing that at the start.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, and you're like, guys, what are you just gonna
people are gonna walk in and be like what you know?
Like why you want that? Why don't you want people
to know it's a musical? Like they just why do
we want to trick people to go in your theaters
instead of just telling them what it is?

Speaker 2 (12:26):
And then like, Frank, so far it's worked. I know.
It's stupid because there's always the stigma for the general
public towards musicals, even though the same loves them.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
People love them, same people who say I hate musicals.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
They're like, but I do love this one, And you're like,
then shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
You love musicals usually.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
A Disney one, yes, Yeah. For some reason they act
like those don't count or even something like Wanka, it's
just like, oh my god, Walk is a musical, like
the original Gene Wilder film is a musical.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You're like, you're like, did you did those songs go
over your head? When they open their mouths and start
singing for several scenes.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Is a musical two.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yes, yes, yes, it even I think it's funny because
you have I think Wizard of Oz is genius. First off,
I don't know if we've ever like talked about that,
but they do a genius thing where only Dorothy sings
at the beginning when it's in the black and white,
only that realistics over the Yeah, Sepia, but like you
know that, like she's the only one like holding these

(13:34):
dreams up. And then when she goes into Oz, it's
a dream land. Everyone sings. It's gene It's it's sort
of a genius structure for for a musical because you're
just like, you're like realistic singing and then into the
fantasy world, you know, like instead of being just like yeah,
everyone just sings.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
You as like a musical theater nerd stuck in a
small town with one to relate to, Yes, until they
until they find their fellow.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Freaks, go match my freak.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
But but I do feel like this is a This
is a thing with musicals is that they try to
they try to hide them and then they come out hard,
being like Wicked is a like at first they didn't
but then they came out being like this is a
musical and we're gonna have sing along versions at Christmas,
you know, like so come then, you know, like for

(14:23):
everyone who wants to sing along, which we could talk
about the people singing in the theaters all day. Yeah,
you want to talk about that, because like my thing
is like yes, okay, Dwayne the Rock Johnson and Cynthia everioh,
you both said it would be sorry, it would be
fine to sing along in the theater or make noise

(14:46):
talk okay, don't have genuine reactions to movies. Please don't
hold your reactions back, but don't talk or sing during
a movie, like just don't, like unless it's set for that,
Like I just don't do it.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
When I had seen that like clip of like the
encouragement for that, I'm like, no, yeah, absolutely, shut the
fuck up.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Absolutely, not like yes, react to the movie like like yes,
when you go to see a horror obviously, don't go
like when you see something go like ah and then
turn your friend and go that was crazy. You know,
like yes, that's a very normal thing to do, but
not like singing along to a movie that somebody may
have not seen already and now you are singing.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
This will be this will be most of the general
public's like access to this, yes, to the story to
this musical, and and I and.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I would say people are like, well, you sing along
at concerts, and you're like, that's different. That's completely different.
You are joining in concert with a live person and
you were singing together. It's a moment between you and
the artist that is not happening with the movie the
movie playing.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Or it's just like, well, no one complains with all
the fucking Marvel nerds cream their pants and clap every
five minutes when MCU movie comes out. Just like again,
that's just general engagement with a movie. They're clapping because
they're excitement about the scene. No one's fucking breaking out
into song. It's a different thing. And some one of
those things are like I came here to see the
two leads sing, I didn't come to hear your Failed
Dreams live.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I do want to say that too, is that like, yes,
sing along with your favorite musicals, just don't do it
out pun.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I mean I think it helps that, Like, like I
wasn't necessarily worried about it, but I've gone to see
this at the Alamo Draft House, specifically at like a
later screening that wasn't kid friendly, Yeah, just to avoid that.
Gotta love it was.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
My showing is pretty good. There was some girls singing
behind us, but some people shushed them so they stopped.
But it was only during define gravity the like and
I get it. You gotta get swept up.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I think I get it, but I'm but I'm also
seeing it in Boston, and Bostonians are cold, man. Yeah,
so like, there ain't no way if the moment someone
would have piped up, they would have got shut down
really quick, would thrown at their head.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Uh but I I do.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I do want to say I got a big laugh
in the theater because the minute Jeff Goldbloom's head came out,
like of any's big giant gold head came out, I
started uncontrollably laughing, like I could not handle myself, and
everyone else started laughing because I just started laughing. It

(17:32):
was to me, it was so funny.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Just the curtains are there and I'm expecting the big
like floating head, but.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Then a giant golden Jeff Goldbloom comes through and it's
like hello, DearS, and I just fucking I just started
laughing so much, and everyone else around me was just
like what and then just started laughing to and I
was just like, that's that's incredible. I was like, that's
that's why Jeff Goldbloom as the Wizard was perfect casting.

(18:00):
I feel like they did such a good job there.
You're just like you're like, yeah, he's.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's almost nice to see like Goldblum play like a
con man where he's just like charming on the outside,
but like deep inside is like pretty malevolent.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yes, and I I I do love I mean to
like kind of bring it back to the plot of
the That's the thing about Wicked that's great is like
it kind of digs into the little things that The
Wizard of Oz had, you know, like they're like you're
you're like in the Wizard of Oz, you're like, oh,
there's animals running around and talking and you're like you're like,
but why is there not like you know, like why

(18:37):
is it not normal? Like you know, like why is
there only one? You know?

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Like and then like you know, like they're talking about.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
The Wizard and how he just lied to these people
to like get control of their city, and you're like
in the Moo in the movie and and in the book,
it's so like played off as like ha ha, isn't
that funny, and like, I.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Man, everyone wear green glasses, so they would so they
would visualize the Emerald City as supposed to it actually
being great.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah, and you're like, what the like you know, and
it's kind of like it's and it's it's it's one
of those things that they just yeah, sorry, I've lost
the track there, but like it's it's uh, they dived.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Sorry, they dive into how much of a con man
he is and how he's basically colonizing Oz, you know,
like he's not he's not just showing up and being
like yeah, yeah, I'm you know, I I know these
things and I can help you guys. He's like, no,
I'm taking charge and I'm gonna like turn the world

(19:35):
to work for me, you know, like he's a con man.
Like this is like and it's like it's one of
those things that like it's slight. It's not even explored
in the Wisdom of Oz, and it's like to go
that much further in Wicked is Great. And I love
all the little allusions to the next to the next
part and Wisdom of Oz in this movie. Also, I

(19:56):
think that's what a lot of people love about this, uh,
is that you know, you get you get Dorothy and
all of them at the beginning when when they're showing
them through the flag shots, so you're like, Okay, they're established,
they're in this, and then you have so guys, I
guess we can say spoilers. I mean, I alreadys talked
about Jeff Goldblum.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, we're also like a month later than everyone else
talking about Wicked.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
But I'm talking part two, which you yes, should I
even say, like with this fuck with you like.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Because like because I guess we should just be vague
about part two.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, yeah, because I don't want to spoil that for
anybody who might not so I'll hold back. But there's
lots of little allusions to who the characters in this
story are are in the Wisdom of Oz so I
and I love those moments, all these tiny little things
that you're just like, You're like, John, MG, you're pretty good.

(20:59):
You're like you pretty good?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
It is, my man.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And it's just from a visual perspective interesting seeing the
marriage of like what the musical was, but also what
the cultural zeite guys associated with that original nineteen thirty
nine film is In marrying the two because like, just
as a small example, like Glinda's dress at the beginning,
like no one mourns a wicked it's a blue dress. Here,

(21:21):
it's gotta be pink because everyone associates that pink dress
with Glinda the Goodwitch because of that original film. It's
the same thing with like the shoes were silver in
the book, there were ruby, yes in the movie, and
that movie's too iconic for you not to do that.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, but they do do the silver slippers here.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
They do do that.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
They do do that, and I wonder if they'll change
them to the ruby or they'll just stick with it.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
I forget.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I forget and listening and knowing the plot, but I
forget what they do.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
But uh, I But just to bring it back to
more of the casting of everything, because I was saying
that Ariana Grande is fantastic in this, and uh and
I think that Cynthia say it again, a Revo is
absolutely fantastic in this. I don't know, I was. You know,

(22:15):
you're always scared that's not a Dina Menzel, you know,
like it's one of those things where like as a
longtime fan, you're like, well, that's not a Dina, you know,
like you're like, what are you up to?

Speaker 3 (22:23):
You know, like, but then that.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
She's fantastic in this I think they're such a good
pair that they instantly become this generation's Glinda and Alphaba,
like instantly. And that's what's so I keep saying it.
That's what's important about this movie is that this is
the version people will know other than like the history books.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
You know, yeah, which is why it's important to you know,
get that right when adapting, Otherwise you might end up
with let's say, The.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Whiz or Dragonball Evolution.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Like I finally I was just sticking to musicals.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
But sure, but yeah, you're like, but but think about it,
Like some Westerners, that's the only thing they've ever seen
and that's it.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well, the benefit of Dragonball Evolution is that it's such
a generic movie that everyone forgets, Like I forget that
I'm a huge dragon Ball fan. I forget that movie
exists until someone brings it up. The best thing about
it is how forgettable. It was very easy to just
put that away. I don't that doesn't hold any space
in my head.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's really fucking funny to me.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
You're just like, no, I just completely but again about
it again, because we never want to do a pro
shot because the industry fears that if someone sees a
pro shotter of something, they won't want to see it live, which.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Is definitely rumors that there's like original cast Wicked pro shot.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, of course, same thing.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
They're sitting somewhere.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
It's so annoying because it's just like, oh, I listened
to this album from my favorite band. I would never
want to see them live and I've already heard them
just like, no, of course they're gonna want to see
it live. It's a different experience.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
It's so stupid.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Because right now, like like I said earlier, this movie's
so popular that I guarantee there's gonna be wickeds at
every major like that, you know, Broadway touring thing.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, can have it, and it might actually it might
not even like light a fire under them to be like, Okay,
we'll give you a pro shot because yeah, that's just
easy revenue.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Right, It's just easy mooney.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's what I've been crossing my fingers with Beatlejuice that
it's like, oh Beatlejuice, beju does well, Yeah, just isn't
just so the fucking tour of the musical going and
maybe come back to the Boston area, or maybe we
can finally get that pro shot they have meant to do. Seriously,
I would love that, But yeah, it becomes like the
only version that you get, and if you represent it poorly,

(24:42):
then it might be the only accessible version you watch. Like,
for example, as a direct comparison, the Wiz, The Whiz
movie not very good. I've heard the actual show The
Whiz is not bad. The movie's not great.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, I feel like the movie kind of trips over
its own feet. But the musical it's self is just
a good time, you know, Like it's like that's the
thing is. It's just like you're not as flabbergasted by
all like the celebrity and the weird designs and the Wiz,
Like you're just kind of like, oh fun, you know

(25:14):
when it's on, when it's on on stage, you.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Know it's a good time.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Or sometimes things just don't translate, like I've brought up
like me not being the biggest fan of like the
Matthew Broderick Nathan Lane version of The Producers. Yes, just
because I feel like it's a very like flat direct
adaptation where it stops for it stops like the musical
for a crowd that doesn't exist in movie form, and
it's so awkward.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yes, I do agree that happens, but yeah, I do
enjoy that because it's Nathan Lane and Matthew Roderick.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Though I do, it's like I do.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
That's the reason why I like that version, as I'm like, Okay,
those guys are good together, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
And another big caveat that we haven't brought up yet,
at least pertaining to this as a worry, was the
idea that like, huh, all right, you're splitting the movie
into two parts, and it makes sense act one, act too,
but the fact that like just to run.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
The main concern. That's what everybody talked to me.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, Like even our buddy Eddie reached We were talking
about it, Eddie mckaid and he was like, he was like,
why are they doing two parts?

Speaker 3 (26:18):
And I'm just like, I feel you because.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
This is the run time of this on its own
is longer than the actual stage production.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's longer than the actual play. It's longer like so
that scared me.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
That scared me big time because I was like, so
they're making new content, you know, like they're making new
things like and.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
One of the things I hear about Wicked as like
a as a show is that the second half isn't
as strong. That's the first half.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
And that's that's that it's not only not as strong,
it's also dark, like it is the fall of Alpha
BA and all of owz into basically things like Dorothy
coming in.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
You know, like just split it, but you might bite
yourself in the ass later looking at you it movies,
which was my concern even when that first movie came out,
just like, oh, you're gonna split the child section in
the adult sec the adult section in the book is
not as interesting you're gonna.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Which, like I they it's like one of those things
that part two isn't terrible for it, but it is
a lot of it forgettable. Yeah, I have, you know,
like a lot of it. I don't remember other.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Than I've softened a bit on it chapter two for
what it is, but it is it is very flawed
it yeah, and it's and yes, so it basically has
the same problem. Well it's a different problem because basically
they were taking a b plot in in it, chapter
in it and just made it chapter two.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
And you're like shouldn't have done that. Guys call it a.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
B plot, Like the adult stuff is as important, but
it's just not as compelling as the child sections.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
No, it's just not. Well, that's why I call it
the b plot because like, yes, it's the same care
and they've grown up, but like when they keep flashing
back to the kids, you're like, we're back, you know you.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Like even with the like original mini series, people mostly
remembered the good stuff, which is the stuff with the kids,
and they kind of blank out the adult section. It's
just like, oh, yeah, the stupid rubber spider thing. I
get that. I forgot about when they talk about how
much of the movie traumatized them as a kid or
mini series.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Rather, yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
But what we do this here because that we run
time wise, I feel like we actually fill the time
well because it's mostly character work. Yes, because there's stuff
you can't get away. There's stuff there's a difference in
suspension of disbelief between stage and a film. You accept
a lot more on the stage because it's an abstraction,
so you're willing to buy a lot more. And one

(28:44):
of the things I also hear is like a criticism
of Wicked. Is that the actual like turn as it
were at the end of Act one, feels like it's
there because you know, we have to have that time
act we have to make our wicked and what the
movie does here feels like there's probably a better build
up to that because the stuff we like add in between.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Character wise, yes, and yeah, we kind of see her
like being radicalized, you know, like I feel like they
build that up a little bit more. You know, like
it's because it's like you get more of the relationship
with the teacher, you know, like you get her, you know,
like and it's like and I feel like that sort

(29:23):
I feel like they did all this extra that they
added to this part one. I like, it's so good
that I didn't.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I wasn't sitting there being like discussion prolong this is
in the play, you know, Like.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
I was literally just like great, perfect, awesome.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, it seems like it just understood the idea of like, oh,
we're in a different medium, so we need to use
that to our inn advantage. We need to fill things out.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
So I meant to bring up like, and I think
that's very important with what's with this added stuff is
and it's kind of been this big joke about this
movie is that Cynthia and Ariyana have bing.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Just like crying every interview.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
But I but the thing is, I feel it, you know,
I understand it because it's literally they got their dream role,
like the thing they've been thinking about since they were kids. Literally.
Ariana Grande has a story where she went to Christ
and Jenny with as a ten year old and said,
I'm gonna play Glinda one day. Is that not the
craziest fucking shit you've ever heard that?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
She's like, man, yeah, you know, like holy fuck, Like
there're two theater dorks. Of of course they're emotional and god,
I'm I'm trying to bring this up in a way
that doesn't just dunk on Cynthia Rebo.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Because she's she's very nice. She's very nice. I think
she's very talented.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Like giving her in proportionate response to that fan poster
that it happened. I don't know if you knew about that.
Let me explain it to people. Explain it to.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
People, because it will be years, Like people will listen
to this and they will be like, what are you
talking about?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
You know, like, so explain it so you can look
up the original Wicked poster as in the thing you
would actually see at the actual musical show. It's also
on the play bill. It's an image of Glinda like
whispering to Alphaba and Alphaba has like a smirk on
her face. Yes, they replicated that original poster for this, but.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
They have Alphaba's eyes covered for it.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, it's like crowd.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
You can just see her green and you it's just
it's all character. I love the post.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
It's just a little it's Yeah, it's a great little
art piece for the movie poster. Her eyes are visible
and she's not like smirking, and she doesn't have the
red lipstick. So fans doing what fans do, they just
made like a fan made edit where they just made
it closer to that original poster. So they like lowered
the hat so it like shrouds or eyes. They gave
her a smirk and the colored her lips red.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
A very upset response, she's basically said that it was
racist because they were covering up her. Yeah, and you're
and to me, You're like, no, no, no, guys, you
you you love this pother's poster, Cynthia, like this is
something you love. Also, they just wanted to make it

(32:11):
more like it.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
You know, like it's not simple even any even it's
like that.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Deep no, and it's not even I know some people
were pointing it to like, you know, the gamers editing
the girl from what's the she's fighting the robot dinosaurs.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Horizon verizons, you're a don the.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Characters, and like, not the same thing, not the same thing.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
That's not what's happening here. And I think Cynthia and
Cia took it as that, and that's not what it was.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Because if they were if they were trying to uh,
if they were trying to Caucasian or rough like that
change something has changed, like her actual facial All they
do is they edit the lips so it has like
a smirk on one side, the color it red to
look more like the poster, and they bring the cap
down so it crouds over the eyes. Right, nothing's changed

(33:05):
about the actually.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Still her face, like you know, like I don't like,
I wasn't mad about it. I thought it was cool,
you know, like I like, and then she's like freaking.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
It's just like we need these types of reactions for
things that are actually a problem. Yes, because especially as
far as like AI generated images are concerned. This shit
is getting weird. I don't know if you've seen the
ads lately. I keep seeing ads. I don't know why,
like social media things. I'm this desperate, but you keep

(33:35):
seeing like these apps where it's just like, oh, you
can kiss your celebrity crush by uploading a picture of
yourself and a celebrity and we'll make this. You're like, oh,
this is gonna be a lawsuit.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Well yes, well yeah, it definitely is.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
And I mean we've already reached that even the platform
were recording on right now, after record an episode, you
can basically make it say anything we want just by
typing it out from the data of like yeah, you
could do that with like a ten second clip, but
like literally we're recording hours longs of podcasts like the amount,

(34:12):
Like it's kind of scary to me about my digital footprint,
about how much of my voice is out there that
you could just clip it, like maybe even a twenty
minute clip, pop it into an AI and make it
say whatever you want. Like I made it say something crazy,
and I was like, damn, even early on and it
sounded right.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
It sounded like me early on where things were like oh,
this is very obviously like AI voice. It sounds kind
of rough. My immediate thought even just a few years ago,
because this is already advancing so fast, was just like, hmmm,
voice takes fucked yes, political propaganda, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
The obvious ones.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
But I also worry for voice actors because, uh, you know,
like there's a difference between in the new Lord of
the Rings movie, they use old Christopher Lee click to
make him appear as Solaran in this movie. Sorry, I'm
okay with that. Sorry on I'm okay with that because
they're using old clips. But there's the flip side of

(35:12):
like we can just use those old clips and make
them say whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
We want using AI.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
And that's where it scares me, where all of a sudden,
we're replacing real workers and I and I mean, I'm
not ratting on my work, but like recently, we had
a gig and we had to have you know, somebody voicing,
like next up is blank blank blank, and they're going
to be giving away the blank ward. We we originally

(35:40):
had a voice actor lined up and somebody was like, no,
we got we could just use AI And we did it.
And it sounds fine, like it's fine. And that's the
thing is it's not it's it's those little bits of
erosion that are gonna take some real talent away. Like
I felt really weird about this because I was like,

(36:02):
I don't like that because first off, it should just.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Be a small gig, but there's not much of a
leap between that and just like what do we need
to hire a voice actor? Right?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
And and that's the thing about the AI and animation
is I feel like we're gonna get to a point
where they're just going to be like, oh yo, no
we did. I'm a single person and I'm going to
use AI to generate something that was not possible before
without a giant.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Team and usually under the veil and usually under the
veil of just like well I don't have the resources
that a big team would.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
And then and then then using voice like voice actors
that aren't real or are real people, and just like
generating it.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
You know, like this is a very slippery slope to nobody.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
You've been replaced to work in this industry, you know,
like I And it's and I think that it's it's
a very it's such a it's so fait and so
because all it takes is a little gig where we
saved money like this, you know, like we were like, oh,
we saved some money, you know, like and then it
just becomes standard you out on like for commercial success

(37:10):
for other things, and it's just like all of a sudden,
all voice actors. Nobody can be a voice actor anymore
because there's so little jobs in the industry because AI
has taken it all.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, like you also miss out on like nice success stories,
like we had talked about this and when we reviewed
Doctor Sleep that was just like, you know what was
kind of refreshing about Doctor Sleep that they didn't go
like the deep fake route and just had like a
dah like Shelley Duval and Jack Nokusen and that we
just hired actors to play them and it worked. It's like, oh, yeah,

(37:43):
this is just what we used to do and it's
kind of refreshing. Or you don't get stories like oh,
I'm gonna it's like, uh, like the the Chad Vader guy. Yeah,
we used to make old like Darth Vader like skits
on YouTube and then became the official voice Double Dark
for Dark Vader and like video.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Games, and right right, it's like now because they.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Now post Obi wan Kenobe. Now we're just because Obi
wan Kenobi just used AI for his voice to make
him sound younger.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I don't love it. It's a it's a very It's
one of those things where right now we're like, oh, yeah,
I can enhance the things I could do these things.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
That's plus. It also kind of takes away from James
Earl Jones's like aged voice was actually kind of nice,
Like I actually love the way Vader sounds and rebels
the fact that, like James Earl Jones is a lot
older and he has like a lot of like season
to his voice. It's actually kind of nice. It's different, right,
I like it, And there's already But the problem is

(38:43):
there's already enough like agism in the voice acting industry,
especially in the West.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yes, and I feel like it's it, you know, it's
one of the things where they first come for the
you know, it's that joke where they first came for
the voice actors and I said nothing, you know, like
and then they came forward. It's literally that though. It's like,
if we do not and I mean this is totally
different tangent, but if we do not have like a

(39:08):
safety net for the work that that AI is going
to take away.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
We're gonna have a problem, Like you know, like I know.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Star Trek said that the Irish unification riots were supposed
to be last year, could happen this year. Star Trek
isn't wrong usually, but you know, like the.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
This was supposed to be four.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Wicked back to Wicked off the AI, but I you know,
with with the talking about real versus AI. One of
the best things about Wicked is how much the sets
were real. In a world where they're like Mandalorian will
just use a volumetric screen, Wicked planted eight million poppy

(39:54):
seeds eight million to make one field for for like
several shots like the train shot them skipping through and
that's it. And they were like, no, we're not gonna
see gi that, We're gonna go plant some fucking plants.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
And you're just like, holy.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Shit, problem with it because I do think this film
looks overall good, but it is still very digital looking MMM.
And my problem is, like, as much as I appreciate
the attention to detail and like the sets and stuff,
everything is so saturated that you can that you can

(40:31):
mistake it for Cgi anyway.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yes, that's true. I do feel like that happens a bit.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I do.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
I have a different reaction to it. I think they
desaturated some images. I think you can look at the
images and that they can corrected it down.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Desaturated. That's sorry, And it made it.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, it makes it look fake instead of poppingly real,
you know, like Willy Wonka or even Very Wizardo. You know,
like where everything looks real because it is except for
the painting in the background, and we all know that
doesn't look real. But you know, it's kind of nice those.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Things where because I've heard I've heard John and Chew
talk about this's just like, well, I just wanted to
like add that bit of realism to make Oz feel real.
It's just like, Okay, I understand that conceit, But I
understand that conceit. But this is a movie about like
witches and flying monkeys and talking goats. Yeah, but I

(41:36):
need to be afraid about the lack of realism.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And it's also just But my thing is is that
actors will act better in a real environment. Of course
if they have like yes, you can say like acting
with a digital actor is always going to be hard,
but Acting in a digital set is also hard because
you get no vibe from the things around you.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
You do, not know how, no tell, nothing to bounce
off of.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, you're just.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Your vibe is whatever you're bringing to it instead of
what the surroundings are. And like, so that's why I
think it was important to build and it's important to
build real sets to be able to do that, you know,
like have that feeling, you know, because actors are nervous
on set and if you're not able to relax them
in some way, you know, and especially for these two

(42:26):
who are doing their dream roles, you got to relax them.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
And this movie's fault. This is just like modern blockbuster stuff.
Stop it with a motivated lighting?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Well, what do you mean? What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Just like, what do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Though?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
The idea that like every like lighting source has to
have sort of like a realistic source where it's coming
from a specific place, which I've noticed just more and
more with is more particularly blockbuster filmmaking as we go along,
where it's just like, guys, some of the best cinematography
you can get doesn't really have like a realistic like

(43:04):
fix your point, it's just cool lighting because it looks great.
Not everything has to have like a realistic sources have
this problem now.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Well, yes, and okay, So I don't think it's the
motivated lighting that's the problem, because motivated lighting is important
because it adds realism. What's the problem is not dynamic lighting.
So and and I think we sent this meme to
each other the other day where they showed shots of

(43:33):
Madam Web and how detailed the lighting. How there's a foreground,
a background, the characters are lit, there's lights in the background.
It's so textured the lighting, which I hate to say
for Madam Web. You're like, you're like what cudotographer was
working on this? You're like hot, damn like because they
were cooking. And then you look at like Spider Man,

(43:54):
no no way Home, not no way home. What's the
latest one?

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, no way home? Sorry, no way home?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
And they it how flat it is, you know, like
how it's just it is the image, you know, like
it's it's them. There's background, but that's not dynamic in
any way. It's just is you know, like the most
dynamic they get is on the Statue of Liberty at
the end.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
And then at least there's something happening.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
There, you know, like there's a you know, like it
is you know, there's some lights in the background of
the statue and like there's something going on. But most
of the movie is very flat sunlight lighting and not
very dramatic or cool looking at.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
All, and like that like TV slash, like low budget comedy,
even mid budget like comedy look where everything is so stale,
which only really kind of came about in the aughts.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yes, and it's really I attribute it to the easiness
of shooting video is because you're not working with a
fully professional team that has grown up and been like, okay.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
So we have to have some lighting back there, we
have to have some.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, film is telemental, so we need to be very
specific about the light.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yes, but not only that, but like filling the image
with light, you know, and and then taking it away
to add dramaticness. Is is something that I think a
lot of young filmmakers don't think about enough anyways. And
I think that because of the easiness of visual you
just shoot, you know, like instead of being like, well,

(45:32):
we need to make sure this is lit, but we
also want to you know, our subject is lit, but
we also want to make sure you can see the background,
you know, like and we got to make that cool
looking too, you know, Like that's the way old filmmaking
used to work, instead of just being like, all right,
it looks real nice, you know, go you know, because
it does look nice right off the bat, but you
need to to get that cinematic look.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
It takes.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
It takes different lighting. You know, Like even my background
now not super cinematic because it's just a single light
from this window. And then I have my light lighting
me and my light lighting my room, so I don't
have like a cinematic other than this light here. I
need something more motivated behind me. You have to light
these like that. There's there's an idea to them, thematic

(46:21):
lighting that they are just not implementing it now.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
There's also just like there's also the technical know how
about it? Think about how many times you hear complaints
about like an image being too dark now from movies
and TV shows all the time. Same thing that and sound.
I hear complaints about those two things all the time.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yes, And I mean that's those are I love those
arguments because it's people who don't know movies saying something
that's very specific to a movie. Like when they're talking
about the sound, they're talking about mastering, and a lot
of people don't master their movies anymore. They don't bring
in a guide to make sure that it all sounds

(47:01):
good the whole time, you know, like they just edit
their scenes and they place it together, not thinking like
does this all flow right?

Speaker 3 (47:09):
You know, like that's the importance of having somebody and
to do that.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Specifically at home, you've got commercials, which guys, mixed with
the other stuff. Yeah, but there's also the advent of like, hey, guys,
when you make a TV screen flat, you also have
to shrink the speakers. Your default speakers on your fancy
flat screen TV is not gonna be very good. I
mean that serious sound system.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
That is very true.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
A lot of people are spending their money on these big,
big TVs because they're getting cheaper and cheaper, but they
don't ever buy it sounds. Some guys, if you if
you're if you're sitting at home right now without a
soundbar or some or boxes next to your you know,
like if you're not using something else other than your
TV speakers, yeah, and probably missing a lot even how

(47:57):
even if they it's got stereo even if they're bragging,
you're talking about getting sound from a single source that
is confining it's most of its sound to the bottom
of it.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
You wouldn't go to a concert and see all the
speakers facing you are, like all the speakers on the
ground facing you, Like, that's not you can see when
you go to a concert. They're above you, they're on
the sides. It's like, yes, because you've got to fill room,
you know, Like if you're not filling the room, the
sound's not doing it.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, you know. So it's not even necessarily the project's
fault if you can't hear anything and you either have
to like crank that volume up or watch everything with subtitles,
which I know plenty of people who do that, But
I do wonder, like the cynical side of me is
just like, okay, but how much of you don't know
how sound works and just never bought a system for

(48:50):
your TV. And also how much of that is just
you guys never wanting to pay attention.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, I do feel that in our house we're ok
with subtitles unless it's a horror or a comedy, because
both of those are uh there's timed moments, yes, and
the subtitles will fuck them up, you know, like jokes
and scare moments are timed.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Moments, especially subtle.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yeah, they'll fuck them up. Like it's just kind of
it's it's I mean sometimes subtitles could be really funny
during a horror movie, like you know, they're like, you know,
it goes silent. You're like you're like, you're like okay,
like on of those moments where you're like, okay, thanks
you for telling me it's silent.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
The last season of A Stranger things with subtitles because
it was with a group, and the person who was
streaming it for us like put on subtitles and I
kept getting a good laugh because it was descriptive subtitles
that would describe like sounds and stuff. And every time
it would cut to a clock for uh vecna's like
sinister clock chongs, it would always be like in brackets chimes,

(49:58):
sinister chimes.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
My favorite was and you'll you would be so angry
to Sean so on. On Thanksgiving, we always watched Godfather
at my mom's house. We decided Godfather too this time. Yeah,
so during the you know the flashback scenes with young
young Veto and danniro He whenever they spoke Italian. The

(50:23):
movie put real subtitles on the bottom for what it said,
but the subtitles put speaks Italian over the real subtitles,
so I couldn't read them. I was like, are you
fucking with the Amazon? What the fuck is this?

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Like?

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Stop saying speaks Italian? I fucking get it. Everyone gets it,
or could just read the subtitles.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
I ran into something similar like that. There was there
was a documentary a couple of months ago that was
about a Daria Argento. Oh cool, and this for some
whatever was there was something really fucked up about the
subtitles because they were like hard coded into it. But
also you couldn't toggle it off on the actual like

(51:04):
Amazon like settings, so it would double up and you
couldn't change it.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Oh my god, that's shitty. That's so shitty. You're like,
come on, guys, what is this? Like this isn't accessibility,
which is really the problem.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Right If subtitles are fucked up and I'm not an
actual deaf person and I don't understand what I'm reading, you.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Know, like you fucked up, you know, like you're not
helping anybody.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
You're just putting subtitles there because you have to help people,
you know, like actually help people think about it. But
but we're getting so side.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, we keep getting so what happens we record for
a while, Yes, but.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I do think, what were we talking about before we
start going into the mixing?

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Though we were talking, we were talking about like the
saturation the technically.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I do feel like they desaturated this, you know, this
a little bit so much so that like there was
moments where I was like that color doesn't look right,
you know, like that would be my kind of my
only big complaint about this movie is that it's weirdly desaturated,
and I kind of just want.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Which would make more sense saturated versions.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
When we actually get like to the darker section, but
you can literally see like set photos of like, oh,
here's like like the train station. You can see the
set photo of that, and it's brighton's beautiful, and the
train really pops with all that green and even the
floor is reflective. And then you compare it to the
movie and everything's just kind of washed out. You're like,
what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
What the fact? I have a little bit of a
feeling that they'll like put out the DVD version and
it will just be a different you know, blu ray version,
It'll just be a different color. You know, like they'll
correct it again, like cause I feel like the I
feel like there is significant feedback on that. You know,
like a lot of people are saying, why are you desaturating?

(53:00):
You know, like and it and it really is just
you know, there's there's a guy color corrects, you know,
it's his job, and I think he was doing something
to make the image look a certain way. But it
leads to a lot of desaturation.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
And of the director because again she was mentioned that
like it was intentional because he wanted to make Oz
feel realistic, which I get just for like suspension of
disbelief purposes and like really having someone invest in the world.
But again, this is a movie with witches and talking
monkeys and goats.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, but not only that.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Like what brought me out of it, which like kind
of cracked me up, it.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Is the high school musicalness of the age of everybody,
because I know this is supposed to be college but
like even Bowen Yang being there, You're like, he's a
thirty something year old man, Like what are we what
are we doing? You know, like even Bach, the guy
who plays Bach, You're like that man's old. You know,

(53:59):
Like I maybe I'm old now and I can see
when a man is old. But I'm like, I'm like,
these are not college age kids.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
I'm like, we have thirty year olds going to college.
We had older than thirty year olds who were like
our classmates. College is open. It's not.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yes, I mean college is open. College is open. Uh,
But I I was just kind of like, there's due,
what the hell is going on here?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
They're all they're all acting like young, like they're high schoolers,
but they like, you know, like they're all they're all that.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I mean, to be fair, that's just old school. That's
not just high school music. That's just how we used
to do like high school age kids. It was just like, yeah,
they're like they're fucking mid to late twenties.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Like I know, every everyone likes to bring up Michael C.
Hall and Dexter just putting on the wig and they're like,
you're like, yes, young Dexter, and you're like like I
I but I do stand by. They shouldn't have recast
them in the new show. They should have just put
that wig back on them. And sent them back out
like just we're like, go play your fifteen year old selves.

(55:03):
Like I was like, because I bought it during the show,
why wouldn't I buy it now? You know?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, the show was so long ago. Now we're old,
Like Seahall's even older than he was.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
It's true, but I think that would make it even funnier.
But i know they're trying to be serious, but I'm like,
come on, that would be great. They recast everyone for
that show. Kind of interested to see that, but I
didn't even watch the revival of Dexter. Liked, yes, yeah
it was.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I mean it helped that it was the original show
runner who did the first four seasons, which is when
the show was good.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
The show good, Yeah, so true, And.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
I don't even hate like all the seasons after that,
Like I think they're varying, like some are good, some
are The final season is fucking garbage. So it felt like, well,
it couldn't be a full like apology. It's still just like, well,
this still ends on a better note than we did
last time.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
The problem is they're already walking back on walking back
on that too, yes.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Because they're they're somehow gonna explain why he's able to
air rate you know, like this show, this show, you know,
like even though he's supposed to be gone. Yeah, at
the end of the spoiler.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Because that that season has been out for like a
couple of years now, like Dexter dies at the end
of that, like we actually finally kill him off, which
is how the show should have always ended. Yeah, because
now I guess that did well enough that we got
to do a prequel origin like spin off, and we
want to do a sequel series which is literally called
Dexter Resurrections. I'm like, god damn it. Even when even

(56:33):
when you came.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Back to Michael Myers, like he's fucking Michael Myers.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Like just oh man, that was always the logical next
step we have to venture from like true crime like
serial killer stuff to straight up slasher movie villain. It
was always heading this way. We got Jason Voorhees go
through his zombie phase. Now he's not gonna run, He's
just gonna walk slowly and somehow catch up to you.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Man, could watch that, but I'd watch one movie of
that one.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, that's just that's just a suspension. I think it's
easier than the fact that this.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Suspectya that was my one like what the fuck is
happening here?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Was like I was kind of like everyone's kind of
old in this movie. Like I was kind of like, huh,
like it's like this is everyone's kind of old.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Like I'm glad they shot this movie at the same time,
you know, like this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Imagine how much more awkward it would have been if
we actually did have a Dina Mensa and Kristen Yeah, right,
like even ten years ago, they were too old for this.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
I know, I know, it's like yeah, and that's what
they were saying at the time, you know, like they
were like, oh, they're too old.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
I'm like, they're playing on Broadway right now, what do
you mean they're too old?

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah? The stage that's suspension, the disbelief thing. It's like
when they did the Rent movie Yes, which was oh,
which was original Broadway cast, but everyone was like ten
years older.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
So it's just like, what are these speaking of? A
Dina Menzelle, Just like these these.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Kids are not early college kids anymore. This is weird.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I didn't realize, uh, I know this is another spin off,
but I didn't realize that like people didn't like the
Rent movie, I grew up liking it a lot, and like, I,
you know, like and I was a big Rent guy
and like and yes, I understood, I don't.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Like the conceit of Rent in general, but I really
don't like the movie.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yes, I feel like there's some things about it, and
you're like, but like the movie. I always loved it.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
And yes, there was some changes to the to the
musical that I was kind of like, Eh.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
It's actually a testament to how good tick tick Boom
is because I don't like Rent, and I think that
movie is great.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Okay, that's good. That's good. Okay, I'll have to check
out Tik Tik Boom. I've been excited to watch that.
But you know, the the oscars are getting announced tomorrow,
so I got I got some other movies I have
to get to at that point when when they when
they get announced, which I'm sure article.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
And obviously we're like, we're singing this movie's praise as
you and I both liked it. Variety put out a
Variety I think it was Variety put out an article
about just like here's why Wicked will probably be the
Best Picture contender. I'm like, dude, Dune Part two came
out this year, I doubt it, like it may like
maybe it'll get the nomination. I wouldn't be surprised if.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
There's many other movies in my way. I do think
I do think it could win some awards. I I
I literally walked out of the theater and said, this
could win some awards, like this is not but best picture, No, no, no, yeah, sorry,
the best.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
The best you'll get is the best you'll get, is
you'll for They're for sure gonna fucking have Cynthia Revo
do define Gravity live. That's for sure gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
For sure, for sure. We did a Dina Menzel sing
elsa like we're absolutely bringing Cynthia to saying define gravity absolutely.
I'm I'm excited to I'm excited to see, you know,
because I think it. I think I can't and I
think they could win some awards. I don't think it's
going to there's no way best Picture. That's that's fucking insane.

(01:00:13):
I need no the short list they put out the
Oscar short list, but that would be another fucking sorry
that would get distracted.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
We'll get distracted, but distracted.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
I do think that this movie could win some awards.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
It's that good Best Picture good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
No, but that's because the stranger things have happened before
we have We have had movies like Crash Happen. Yeah,
but yeah, driving Miss Daisy beatn do the do the
right thing? Sometimes we just make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah, it's true. Even what's the what's the one the
Green Book, the Vigo Mortenson one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, which is basically just driving in reverse?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yes, which, like I've seen, I haven't seen the movie.
I haven't seen the movie, but I've seen For some reason,
YouTube shorts thinks I will like the movie because they
go they give me clips all the time. So I've
seen tons of clips. It looks like a powerful movie.
Does it look like it should have won Best Picture? Fuck? No,
Like what the fuck are we talking about? Yes, they're

(01:01:16):
both great in those roles. Should they should that movie
when Best Pictures? Absolutely? Not?

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Like, Like what the fuck are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
But you know that's what we're saying. Things, stranger things
have happened, wicked could take it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Is there anything that you walked away from this like
not being crazy about?

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
So okay, so there's one scene that I'm not super
crazy about and I can't tell you if it was
in the original musical because I've never seen the original musical.
Is the dance scene in the dance hall when they
do when she's doing the unique moves and everyone's silent,
and so okay, I know, I know this scene is

(01:01:55):
not for me. That's the thing I got from that scene.
I'm like cause as a as a dude, I'm like, okay,
they had a dance scene together. But every I went
to the movie with all ladies, everyone around me was bawling.
So I'm like, okay, this was a connection scene that
like that as a dude, I don't fully get, but like,

(01:02:19):
as but like, but but you know, I can put
my empathy fucking hat on and be like, as a woman,
she put herself out there. She did this dance and
and and Glinda caught her and like lifted her up
and and they like had this great friend moment. And
I get that that's what the scene is. But for me,

(01:02:39):
I was kind of like that was a little strange.
I was like that, yes, I think it could have
been a little shorter, like too, I feel like it
was just a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Little bit of an ad in the in the musical, it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Seems like it doesn't seem like it is, like, you know,
like because I know the oz Dust scene happened, I
just I just don't remember what happened in the Ozda
scene in the original. So please guys comment down below
what the fuck I'm missing here if that's an added
scene or not. But even if it's not, it's a
scene I couldn't connect with. But I understand why people

(01:03:17):
connected with it. I saw people like talking about online
saying how important that scene was to them, And I
also see the so I feel like, you know, like
that the big joke is like you know, people have
been holding space for defying gravities, you know, like lyrics.
But this is a guys, this is a gay movie.

(01:03:40):
There's there's a there's a fucking gay movie. Like like
now you know in in the most like I'm not
saying it's stupid. I'm saying, literally, girls kissing guys kissing.
This movie's gay. Like it's like like and I like, yes,
they're like they they played off as friends, but like
that's obviously what this what's the real story behind this

(01:04:03):
story is like best friends who are really close, who like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Holding each other really high being kind of in love
with each other.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
It is kind of underminded. It is kind of underminded
by the love triangle with them, like, you know, you're
not necessarily fighting over a dude, but not not that either.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
And and I think they did that at the time
because that was the time. But I do feel like,
you know, if they could, they.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
There's totally like a queer reading you could get from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Oh my God unlimited, literally the line singing and defying
gravity unlimited. You know, like together, we're.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
You know, you're like, come on, that's just talking about
gay sex, are we not?

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Like, what are we fucking talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Certainly interpretation, but that's also but that's also how things
change should become reevaluated.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Yes, but I do think that I think that there's
a couple of things with Wicked and why it's so
powerful is that it is it can be interpreted as
a black story, as a gay story, you know, like
it's like as just having a good girlfriend growing up
that you might not be friends with anymore. Like I

(01:05:22):
feel like that's the type of stories that this has
always been saying it is. But like everyone's always like, yes,
we's us, you know, like instead of being like understanding
the themes that they are they are saying here, you know,
because this is a black story. So having Cynthia as
the main character feels right to me. I like a

(01:05:42):
lot of people were like crying Hollywood and woke, and
you're just like shut first off, shut the fuck up,
and second off, you don't know what woke means.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Third off, Like that's what this story is, you know,
Like that's what it all like being green?

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
What the fuck you think good illusion was? To what
did you what did you think that much?

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
To?

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
It's it's guys, it's a literary alliteration and it's this thin,
it's this fucking thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Also it's also a matter of like even if something
isn't overtly like socio political, there's also a matter of
like when it comes out and what's of the time
just by osmosis, whether it's intentional or not.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Yeah, and what people interpret from the art.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Yeah, you know the musical started in the Bush era. Yeah, right,
Like so there's like a reading.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
There, right, yes, because there's like the man in charge
who's lying to you to create enemies, you know, like
like literally just like they made the Wizard George w
and like but like in modern times we see it
as maybe a Trump, you know, like as this big
golden guy who's just lying to us. And I think

(01:06:53):
that that's what's another great thing about their story, you know,
like is that it keeps finding ways to be relevant
and tell different stories to go into it. Yeah, right,
Like but I so my my best friend, my good
friend growing up that was we work together on these
like he's he's gay, he's married.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
I'm not outing him like so, but like so like that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
So he like even from the beginning, he's felt it
was that type of story, and you know, I've always
interpreted it as that, And so I think that that's
It's one of those things where you're just like yes,
like people can get all like up in arms about things,
but you're like, this is what this is about me,
this is what you know, Like you could be mad,

(01:07:41):
but what the hell this is what this is about.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
It's like the fucking idiots who like see Patrick Bateman
as like this like sigma male archetype to look up to.
Based on a book written by a gay man and
an adaptation which was written by a lesbian and directed
by a woman criticizing Toxic Master, Oh God or in
the same way or in the same way that like,

(01:08:04):
you know, these dickheads would be like, oh man, we've
been red pilled red pill.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Well it's the same thing as like them talking about
being in the Matrix or getting out of the matrix.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Yeah, you're saying red pill. Like you're like, like, guys,
this was made by two Like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
You know, you're like damn, which now in modern context,
like when you look when you watch the first Matrix,
so you can interpret that as a trans story.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yeah, you're like, damn, I didn't. Like it's one of
those things where like, yeah, it really does come like there, Yeah,
it's there, and it's like kind of like write what
you know. And they definitely wrote what they knew in
that like, because that's what they mean when they say
write what you know. They're not saying only write stories
about your small town. They're saying, incorporate your own life

(01:08:46):
into it so that way it can feel personal and
touch you know, Like that's that's important. Like and I
feel like Wicked does touch and and like and I'm
saying about that scene is that like I didn't feel
touched by it, you know, that dance scene. I didn't
get it like I felt it went on a little long,
but I know so many people that did that, felt

(01:09:08):
that that understood that, that felt like that was a
big moment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Plus it's there for like that visual motif, like it's there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
It's there, so when you have this yeah later, you're like, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
I just think it goes on too long. And yeah,
the way it's staged, while obviously the scene is supposed
to be awkward and for us to like ease in
in my sensibilities, it almost loops around to being unintentionally
comedic before it like comes back around again. Just because
it hangs on it a little too long at the beginning,
I think so too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
And it's kind of just like some one of those things.
I don't know, it's it's also one of those things
where you're like you get to a point where you're like,
these people have taken this bullying too far, you know,
like where you're just like it's just like so it's
like I feel like that they get. It wasn't for me,
but it worked for others, you know, Like like we

(01:10:02):
talked about to bring it back to another movie. That
was an unspoken scene that I felt was important, but
other people were like, what the fuck was Barbie looking
around the world in the when she's sitting on the
bench in the Barbie Movie and she's seeing all these
wonderful things about real life and how people connect and

(01:10:23):
and and and like live together.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
And then she looks over at this woman and she says,
you're beautiful and she says, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
And it's so like even now, I'm kind of like
welled up even like talking about it, which is so weird,
you know, like because it's such a nothing scene. But
for for somebody else, I've I've had other people talk
about it and they're like, what the fuck what was that?
Like I don't know what I was looking at? And
I'm like, yo, just hey, I got glasses on. You
don't need them to fucking see what the fuck is

(01:10:52):
happening here. But people don't, and uh, you know, it
might not work for me, but it worked for other people.
So it's like so that that's you know, there's I
think they took a risk there and it either flew
or it did it for Speaker.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, I think like most of the time was spent
to like actually buy the Alphabe and Glinda relationship. Yeah,
just because like again going back to like me not
having seen the musical either, but knowing like the criticisms
of it is again that turn feels kind of like yes,

(01:11:30):
there just because it needs to be there, and it
kind of flip flops where you get this like it's
just like yeah, we're we're enemies and we're freenemies and
now we're friends, but now your turned out whatever. I
hope you're happy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
It's just like, which is it with you too?

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
This is ridiculous where it's like here as it's presented,
you're just like, okay, you can feel that like inherent
tragedy about it. Yes, we're just like, no, we were
always going to be on different paths.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Yes, I so as just looking at the musical as
you know, as like the songs and like looking at
the new soundtrack, you know, just like breaking it down.
I do think Arianna kills it on No One Mourns
the Wicked. I think she does a great job of
like adding the sadness to that scene, you know, like

(01:12:16):
just and that song in general. She's able to like
bring the like I've lost my best friend, you know,
like into that No One Mourns the Wicked, and that's
definitely a musical fan thing. If you don't know what
the fuck she's doing in that scene, you just you're
just like Glinda's here telling the story of Alphaba, you know,

(01:12:37):
like but if you're what if you know what's happening,
you're kind of like, oh man, she's like she she's
like because Glinda goes higher when she's lying, and she's uh,
and she's absolutely lying the whole song there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Yeah, she's singing really loud. It's kind of wild.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
It's her customer service voice.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
I think Dear Old Shiz was good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Wizard and I used to be one of my favorites
on the album, and I think they did a good
job here, but I think the next song kind of
overshadows the Wizard and I I I I when I
listened to the musical as a kid Wizard and I
was like, I was like, hell, yeah, you know, like
that's that's that's definitely better. But what is this feeling

(01:13:22):
There's they did something, They did something to the song,
they did something in the musical. It's crack, you know,
like I just want to watch that scene again and again.
It's so good. Uh. And I feel like a lot
of people pointed that out that like that that this
song went from being like fun, like it's a fun song,
it's a fun song, to being like, oh wow, this

(01:13:43):
is the highlight of this, you know, like what is
this feeling? Is is so good? You know, like and
actually like a fantastic piece of this And then something
bad with Peter dinklinch which, by the way, I spent
the whole movie being like, I know the goat, I
know who the voice actor of the goat is. It
took the credits played and I was like tiglic I

(01:14:05):
was like, God damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I was trying to suss it out. Like his first scene.
I think I got up by the time he had
like his second scene. I'm like, oh yeah, Peter Dinkling
Peter to place it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Then we have Dancing through Life, which I gotta give credit,
like it's not I don't think everyone's great dancing in
that scene. I think a Hunt is kind of she's cute,
but she's kind of like awkward, and I think that's
the point. She's like not supposed to be into it yet, you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Know, Like, but I think it helps out the perspective
is like Fierro like teaching these all these dorks to loose.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
It up right, I do like that, and I do
I love the set, the role in the library. It's impressive.
It's just impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
It's impractical. It makes more sense, but it's just so sick.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Just so it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Yeah, it doesn't make any goddamn sense. I don't know
what I would be finding in that library, but damn
is it cool. And then of course I feel like
the movie, like, of course it sits on if define
Gravity is great, of course the whole movie does. But yeah,
popular doesn't land. The whole movie doesn't fucking end, you know.

(01:15:16):
It's like it's define gravity and popular, you know, like
those are the fucking songs. That's why everyone says act too,
it's not as popular.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
It's because you don't have songs like that, you know,
like you know, like it's just not the same, like the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Big Showstoppers defind Gravity. But that marks the end of
the first half. You're just like, well, if that's supposed
to be the big fan favorite song, and what are
we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
This is what are we doing for the rest of
the movie. But I do think popular, like I was
into Ariana Grande doing this before, like before, like I
was watching the whole movie going.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
She's doing a good job, you know, like she's doing
a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
And and of course I was like what is this feeling?
I was like, she's really killing it. And then popular
I was like, Okay, she's the new Glinda. She fucking
did it. I yeah, yeah, I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
It's a different it's like a different flavor than what
you expect, like listening to Chenna with but it still works.
It almost leans into like a like more of a
mean girl thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Yes, and I think it works really well, like instead
of constant bubble, like you know, like it's like there's
a little mean girl in it, and like I feel
like it works.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
I also love the like, uh, what.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Were the the the right from Ariana Grande when she
when they the what when they're talking about the all
the all the historic figures, they're like what were they?

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
They're popular? And she goes right like I but I
was like, holy shit that that was not in the
musical before.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
That's genius, you know, like it's a and it fits
Arianna so well, and it still fits Glinda like that
that like kind of aggressive happiness that like aggressive like
bubbliness like came across there and like I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
I was like, it's in the same way that like
the bit of alphaba like falling and define gravity before
she takes like flight, like it's such a little thing. Yes,
it's such a little thing that adds so much really
and define gravity. That was the one I was worried
about the most, only because that initial teaser, Like we

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got that initial high note, and I was just like
that and that was the thing I was waiting for.
Like when I saw it in theaters, I think my
face like literally when I'm like, all right, here comes
the high note. And when I got to it, I
was just like I think, I literally, I think I
literally did this like oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
And and I you know, I've I've listened to the
soundtrack a bit since seeing the movie, and it's it's
a really impressive note because it's different. It's different than
a Dina's note, you know, like she's uh and I
do feel I love a Dina Manzel, but I do
feel like and that's that's the magic of her singing
that note. She kind of like stretches to reach that note,
and it's like kind of the magic you can like

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feel she's like really stretching herself to sing that note
and that's what makes it great. But here she does
something different and it's like feels clear and powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
I do wish the And maybe this is just me,
but I've heard this from other people before and I
kind of agreed with them, like, oh yeah, I do
wish the soundtrack was a little less pitch corrective.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Oh yeah, yeah I did.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I feel like it has that like gleeish feel to
it when you do that where it's just like, uh,
they can hit these notes. You don't need to like
tweak it so much and you almost get like digital
artifacting from it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Yes, And I say this when we were talking about
AI voices and replacing AI. AI voices cut off like
not naturally like how we talk. We like our mouths
close and we finish the words. What happens with AI
is they'll finish the word and it cuts so your
mouth doesn't close, and it's not like an edit like

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you would feel like it is literally like the mouth
doesn't fit, like the mouth stays open, you know, like
and that's why AI doesn't work that way. And pitch
shifting is very similar with it because it, uh, it
kind of does this like rounding on the end of
notes and you can hear it and it's like instant,

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you know, like it's kind of how you could be
like that thing has six fingers, that's ai.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
It's like you can find pitch like that. People, that's
too much of a natural turn.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Because there have been a bunch of videos where it's
just like because of course it's gonna get the like
musical heads like going where it's just like, oh, let's
do let's just play like both the version on the
Broadway album and like the version from the soundtrack of
the movie, and let's just talk about like the different
nuances of like both versions of defying graphs.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Because it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Yeah, And I remember I remember one talking I think
it was from like a vocal teacher who was talking
about like, oh, I just wish this wasn't as heavily
edited on the soundtrack side, like it's very pitch correct,
and all the comments being like, yeah, that's just the
soundtrack though sounds better in the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
That's interesting because they must have gone through and mastered
it then and kind of tried.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
To well, it's not the same exact performance like when
you actually like to listen to them like back to back,
like it's similar, but they were two clearly different recordings.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
I think, Well, so one thing is they sang on set.
Yeah so, And I've heard a lot of musical nerds
being like, that's the difference. That's why this movie is
better than all of the movie musicals is because they
sang on set.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
And I'm like that logic, Lay miserab would be the
best musical movie in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Yeah, you're like, You're like, I agree. I think you
should sing on set.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
I think trying to lip sync to a musical feels dumb,
you know, like just sing, you know, like just sing
in person, like do you do the job you were
hired to do? Is basically what I think. But uh,
it's it's it's that might be the difference, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Yeah, and then the difficult to amuse You want to
try and capture like the actual onset audio, especially for
like big set pieces like that, which is why we
generally don't do this. Lie yes, because you end up
with like a miss robbery. You're like, you should have
you should have just dubbed this over not for every
song obviously, but.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Yeah, I I do.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
I do it overall. I enjoy this. I am scared
for Wicked for Good.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
That's the new title of Wicked Part two, which I
also disagree with that title. Also, you're like Wicked for good.
It makes it sound like it's the fourth Wicked. What
the fuck are we doing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
It's just because it's the name of one of the
songs in the second half, but.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Like, I get it, it's an important song.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
I hope it's still Part two on the title card.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Just would be like calling this Wicked Part one. Define gravity,
That's all I'm saying. Yeah, that's that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
I just I hope that it's still Part two on
the actual title card because it'd be weird to have
part one and then not followed with a Part two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Yes, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I feel like which is another thing people have been
tricked into. Was just just like with Dune, just like,
don't call it a part one until you get to
the title card and it's too late to back out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Yeah right, I did. I did love that though, because
like I saw a bunch of people being like Part one,
like as as they're sitting in their seats, like turning
to their friends going Part one, you know, like and
you're just like you're like, yeah, what the fuck did
you think was happening here?

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Like, but people forget, people forget or just don't know.
People fell for it with like with people fell for
it with Across the Spider Verse, just like when this
was first to announce, it was supposed to be Across
the Spider Verse Part one and two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Everyone was like, you're leaving me on a cliffhanger, and
you're like, yeah, what what yea?

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
With Infinity War, it was supposed to be Infinity War
Part one and two, and now everyone's starting to get
the thing. We're just like, Oh, people don't like it
when we split it into parts, so what do we just?

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
We just trick them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
I love that. That's like both things. You got to
trick people into seeing musicals by not advertising into such,
and we got to trick people into seeing like two
parters by not advertising it as such, just like Jesus Christ.
But also especially especially on the musical side, like the
numbers don't lie.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
It works, Yeah it does, and that sucks, But overall,
I I think Wicked will improve movie musicals moving forward.
I think that this the success potentially, this potentially I
think the success half turns out, Yes, true, but but

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it's this has been such a smash success. It makes
me hope that they're turning to other musicals and being
like it's your turn, you know, like to to all
these other musicals, you know, like cause it really like this,
I hope this can lead to a renaissance of the
movie musical instead of.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
You know, just a shining moment.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Yeah, Like I'm hope because people, that's that's the thing
I got leaving it is I for some reason, it like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Filled me with hope for movie musicals.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Is that weird?

Speaker 5 (01:24:12):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Like I left being like we could do so much more.
We can do all the movie musicals. Look how good
this is. Look we can do them all, like you know,
like it's just like maybe be like come on, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Sure it would have given me hope if I had
like seen this after the second Joker film.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Yeah right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Haven't seen yet, but I haven't seen it. I also
fucking ate jukebox musicals, so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not a bit. My wife is a
big more n Rouge fan, and I'm always kind of
like like, I mean Hugh McGregor, Nicole Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Yeah, but I just the only bas Luhman project I've
ever liked is to Get Down and it got canceled,
So I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
What was the other one that Bas Luhrman did recently?
He did he did Elvis Elvis. Yeah, that was actually
pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yeah, let's say the first he's finally starting making things.
I like, yes right around but before but we're starting
to like wind down here. I didn't want to mention
it before we forget Yes where they because I knew
they were gonna do it. I knew they were gonna
put an Indiana Menzel and Chris and Channa with cameo somewhere.
I just wondered where the way it's incorporated here is

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pretty perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
I was smiling, you know, like, and everyone who I
was with who was a fan of the musical before,
was smiling, like it is. It's a perfect cameo. It's
it's it feels, it feels it fits the universe, it
feels right. The song they're singing, uh a, Dina kind
of gets to do her note there, you know, like

(01:25:44):
and like it just feels right and it feels fun.
And I couldn't stop smiling when it happened. I was like,
I was like, this is great like like you know,
like that's just it just feels right and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Better than just like a blink and you'll miss it.
Like ah, there they go, just.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Like oh, we actually got to he did get a
cameo from Stephen Son time the director Schwartz, Steven Schwartz, Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
The Wizard will see you now, which.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
To be fair, that's the about the cameo I expected
from the Human Cell. So for them to get a
song and them like kind of recreating stuff and like
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Know, it was just like okay, this which we haven't
even talked about. Like Stephen Schwartz like in his like
accomplishments lyricists for a bunch of like Disney movies songs
that you like, he also like wrote the songs for
the Prince of Egypt.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Really yes, oh I didn't know that that's crazy, but
I think he's one of those guys that like is
just one of those musical greats, you know, like he
just he's unstoppable, you know, like it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Just like this like he basically pulled like played the
long game with this whole enterprise and basically won because
Wicked was optioned like very early on, like when it
was published, but he had the idea to just like,
I want to make a musical of this, so why
don't you give me the musical rights, and then maybe
we could hold off on doing a straight adaptation of it,

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maybe we could work on this musical thing first. And so,
and it's one of those things where, like the musical
became so popular that any idea of like a straight
adaptation of the book were basically squashed, And now we
finally have the adeptation.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
God damn, you're like, what the fuck I forgot? He
also did the music for Enchanted. That's wild.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
But the Prince of Hunchback of Notes, you're domb Pocahontas
god Spell, Holy shit, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
I mean, Pocahontas is flawed, but it's got pretty good songs.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
But like that, I mean, guys, that's insane. Like, I
don't think you're like putting it together. The god Spell
Hunchback of Notes, youre Dome and Wicked and Prince of Egypt.
I feel like that's a that's a goat status right there.
That's fucking crazy, you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Know, like that's some insane shit.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Yeah, And he also headed the because there was a
Prince of Egypt like stage adapt taste.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Yes, yes, it's right there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Which they actually came out of a pro shot for
I haven't watched it yet, A good time.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
Yeah, sounds like a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
They also said here there was a PBS thing called
Wicked in concert, which I've never seen, but I'm sure
it's not actually.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
A pro shot. I'm sure it's just like people singing
Wicked songs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, either that or some like whiz
live stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Yes, yeah, yeah, And you're kind of like, uh no,
that as cool. But I mean, overall, I think that
this is a move a project I've been waiting for
for a really long time, and to be, uh to
go in with such high expectations, you know, like for

(01:28:49):
I was going in being like, I if this is
bad in any way, I'm gonna tear this fucking apart,
you know. Like I'm just like, I'm just like I'm
gonna be so fucking angry if this is bad, you know. Like,
And I think that they did a great job. I
think that there's I think they did a great job.
They brought this and and they're going to I think
it's going to make such a huge impact and change

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a lot of things, which is great, I do think.
My one other complaint I forgot to say is that
there is some I think the dance, the choreography in
this is is quite good, but there's some moments of
TikTok dancing that I don't exactly feel like they fit.
But like I guess they're modern, you know, like that's

(01:29:31):
kind of just modern dancing, you know. Like so there
was some parts where I was like, that was that
was weirdly modern, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
You're just like whenever something like that is incorporated, it's
always like, one that feels anachronistic, and two you have
to tread carefully with stuff like that because I could
feel dated in a month.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Right exactly. That's what That's what I was thinking too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
I was like they kind of did a move there
that looked like a TikTok dance and people might not
know that that was a TikTok dance, you know, like
or something you know, like just kind of like, uh,
like there's a difference between the uh what is this
feeling and then walking with the books, and then there's
like the background dancers doing TikTok dances, Like there's there's
like using modern movements to do a musical scene like

(01:30:17):
the the like the walking and dancing with the books,
I felt like that was actually really well done. Uh,
but the there's like background scenes of dancing through life
where you're kind of like, what the fuck is that
guy doing back there? You know, like you're just like
you're like, you're like he's doing a different set of
moves that shouldn't be allowed, Like you know, like you're
just like, what the what the fuck? But that would

(01:30:38):
be my only complaint really, other than like that scene
of the dance hall and a few dancers that kind
of off put me.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
I feel like overall this is a great movie. I'm
scared for part two.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
I want it. I want it now.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
But I think if they're able to expand and like
deep in the narrative as far as like character interaction
goes like they did for here, and try to apply
that because I imagine part of all the stuff that
we have added here for this first part was in
part to like kind of cushion that second half. Yes,
so we'll see if it actually pays off.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Yes, I believe so too.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
It was kind of like sand bagging against and plus
movie wise, it'll still it'll still play, I think, only
because that's when all the iconic like Wizard of Oz
shit comes in.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Yes, exactly, That's why I think it'll play.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Is that, yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Is that all the things you know as familiar will happen,
you know, like you know, like and you only got
a glimpse of the familiar here with Dorothy running and
the monkey's coming in, but like the next part is
a lot more.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
But thankfully the next part is also coming in quick succession,
like we're just getting at this time next year. They
actually shot both parts simultaneously on like a dune. They're
just like, world does hope it does well.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
You're like, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Like one of those that the first half of the book,
and hope it does as well. Oh boy, covid, Oh
this is really this could have been gone very differently.
Oh fuck, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
But uh, Sean, what are your final thoughts in the movie?

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
I think it's a good time. I don't think if
you're someone who's especially averse to musicals, like I don't
think this is gonna be the one to sell it
like this is the yea, this is like the platonic ideal,
like musical theater, nerd shit. So if you're already not
into that from the jump, it's not gonna be the
one to sell you. But if you're a general audience

(01:32:34):
members who likes even the occasional like musical and the like,
you'll probably enjoy it. It's a good time. It's like
it's one of those things where like, yeah, there's a
reason why, there's a reason why it's lasted so long.
There's a reason why even the Broadway album is like
one of the best selling albums period.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
It's insane, it really is. Like the plays on it
are incredible. If you look on like YouTube music like
of course, like the one now Define sing at nineteen
million for like the Late the Newest soundtrack.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Yeah, it's getting a huge bump just because this is
out now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
The original hold on for Define Gravity is sitting at
fifty seven million on just YouTube. So that's not time
like Spotify, you know, like that's that's an insane number
for a musical. That's an insane number. That's pop chart
level numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
You know, like it's over twenty years old.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Yeah, that's that's the crazy part to me too. You know,
like is that this is an old property and we're
kind of all of a sudden reviving it in a
big way, you know, like and I'm excited for it
because I'm a big fan, so like I'm excited that
there might be more broadways that there there might be more.
I mean, there's endless toys and merchandise for Wicked. So

(01:33:48):
if you want anything Wicked, it's out. It's fucking out there.
You know. Like even a couple of clients we covered
had at work, they had Wicked stuff. Like I won't
say what clients, but like we literally they had Wicked
products out. You're like, what the fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
But like it's crazy, it's crazy. Everyone's in on Wicked.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
And I to be fair, I think it paid off
because like they did a big money bet being like
putting all this merchandise out and like all this advertising
and everyone being involved and all this press tour, and
it sounds like it's paid off because we're definitely getting
Part two, you know, like it already shot, but like
you know, like it's coming already.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
They announced the date.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
It's November twenty fifth next year or something like It's November.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Yeah, yeah, I know, it's November.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
I know it's November. I'm excited, I want more. I
am scared a little because.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Part two is darker, and yeah, I'm on the cautiously optimistic,
so cautiously optimistic.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
It's like, it's the problem with these part ones is
we talk about it every time we talk about any
part one, is that the problem is that the first
part it matters so much and it does so well,
but if part two doesn't do well ruins part one.
You know, like that is a problem with this sort
of thing. You know, like it's just that sometimes the

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first part, even no matter how good it is, if
the second part that it was leading to, isn't, it
ruins the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Yeah, and sometimes you can compartmentalize them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Yeah, I do it all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
With the last Shoda that's not like a die. But
it's just like, yep, still love that movie, even if
Fryes Skywalker completely undermines it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Seriously, you're just like god, like, You're like fucking hell.
But uh, basically, guys, uh, I think that you should
go see Wicked. It should be on your warp shelf.
I'm gonna own this the minute I can. Uh. I've
already asked for Christmas for the vinyl. Uh, because it's green,

(01:35:48):
comes in green. I want a green vinyl. Give it
to me and uh, I just think it would. It's
I'm excited. I'm this got This movie got me excited.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
It is basically it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
I've been talking about this movie with a lot of people.
It's a great it's a good movie. Good time we're seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Also shout out to the Alamo Draft House for the
cool themed food and drink items they have for.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
This That's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
What they have anything good?

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
They had like a they have like a yellow brick
road burger.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
They had.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
They had like a Glinda themed drink. So it was
like this pink alcoholic drink that they always do. Like
cool stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
That is cool. I love shit like that. Yeah, Chunkies
did a similar thing, but I forget what they did.
They did like cowardly lie and drink and like something else.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
It was wild.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
I was like, what the hell was going on here?
But they always do like drinks. They don't sometimes they'll
do food, but the foods are kind of set. They're
kind of like, Yeah, it's like the Black Panther Burger
is always the Black Panther Berger. You know, it's just
one of those things. But but guys, I hope you
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And I'm mod Kraika pretty much everywhere. I'm mostly active
on Instagram and threads, mostly for media thread stuff, which
where am I now? I'm like mid five hundreds, so.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
You're so you're my biggest thread friend, Like, you know,
I know a bunch of people who use threads, but
you're obviously most are you tempted to go to Blue Sky?

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
I already I already have a blue Sky account. Really
I did then, mostly because like there was that fucking
mass exodus from Twitter a couple of weeks ago, and
like all these artists that I love to follow on
Twitter are like now moving over there. So I'm like,
all right, I'm moving over there just to have it
and just so I can keep up with them. Mostly,
but like I have enjoyed doing the media thread so
I'll probably just post on both. I'll post on threads

(01:38:24):
and blue Sky for like next year.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Right, just copy paste, yea.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
But yeah, no, I's surprising I don't have a Blue
Sky So I was interested in what you thought about that,
So maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
I will get a Blue Sky then it's all the same.
It's just honestly, it's it's it's just one is a
lot more toxic than the other and always has been.
Always to remind people, Twitter didn't go bad because Elon
bought it. Twitter was always bad. It just got worse.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Yeah, it was like it's it's always been a nuclear
pit of of you know, like a violent scum, but
like it is a it's turned to work. It's just
got It's like, all of a sudden, all the people
that were always bad got louder, you know, like you're
just like, yeah, all right, but anyway, but anyways, but

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