Ep. 81 - "Looking Glass" (2018)

Did you do it? Did you look through the looking glass? Did you? DID YOU? DID YOU LOOK THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS DID YOU DO IT??? DID YOU DO IT? DID YOU? DID YOU DO IT? ...i know u didn't do it.

Episode Transcript

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Hello, mess, I'm a lieutenantin the police department. I'm in the
middle of a homicide investigation. TryI get my prescription please. The whole
time is standing there with this whomme expression on your face? Have you
ever been dragging to the sidewalk andbeing to you best blood? No man

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has spilt more blood in God's namethan I. How in the name of
Zeus's buttle did you get out ofyourself? What you really think? I
let myself get killed in a garbagetruck? Ha well, I hit in
a soup can roll it all theway to the city dump because I was
made for this super baby and Ihave the care. Is that a caral

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hat? Yeah? Carl weezerat hat? Thank you. I thought about this
a couple of weeks ago. Iwas like, I wonder if there's any
Carl Weezer hats out there? AndI found this one on red Bubble,
so I bought it. Don't youlove the modern age? I love it.
There's some terrible stuff, but thenthere's stuff like that. Yeah,
I love it. It's amazing.I sent the link to Luky immediately bought
one. It's it's great. Really, where did he? Where did he

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did he did he see on hiscomputer? Was he was he looking through
the glass? There we go inorder to buy the hat. At least
it was quick. At least itwas quick. We done into the podcast.
It's been a long weeks, beena long week, a very long,
almost five month long weeks. Ithink it's just been seven days.

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I feel like the last five orsix episodes have started that way of it's
been a long time. Well,i'll tell you right now. We recorded
a couple of times in January,we recorded a bunch in April, and
then we did June, July,December. That's great, but that's right,
we're on different schedules. We weresupposed to be doing a Christmas episode

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this week. Yes, yeah,so I remember nine months ago when we
discussed the eighty first episode was goingto be our pick that we usually do.
That's non Cage. But here weare, here we are talking about
our boy, and that's okay.The movie was The movie was was Looking
Glass. It was directed by fameddirector Tim Hunter and released February sixteenth,

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two thousand and eighteen, about NickyCage and his wife and they buy a
hotel and things get our motel I'msorry and things get weird. Can I
ask you a quick question? Iwould love that. So did you guys
think that she was a that shewas going to be dead or like a

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fake character the whole time, likethe wife Jackson in his mind? Yeah,
okay, so that was a pointI had, was not that I
like that because that that Yeah,I just need it. I need to
get She's so not because she there'sno point in the film except for like

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one time where she actually interacts withanything. She's always sitting down or reading
a book. She's never doing thejob, she's never working at the she
doesn't interact with anyone until at theend the way through. Yeah, to
be so yeah, let me letme read this off. We got we
got Nick Cage is Ray, wegot Robin Tooney Tonny Tooney, which is

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what we're talking about. As asMaggie the Wife, we have Mark bluecoss
Is as Howard, he's a sheriff, and Ernie Lively is Tommy, who
is a truck driver. And CassillaConway as Strawberry Blonde, which sounds like
she should be in that fucking JamesFranco movie that we please read the character

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name for Oh yeah, Gray,of course is Jessica quote room six in
case you needed to know, Iknow that. Yeah, it was a
well like we said, yeah itwas. It was already explained the movie.
They so like their kid dies earlykid together and then they immediately buy

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a motel like she was Jessica Roomsix. Jessica Room six. Yeah,
because her real name is na,it's just Jackie. But yeah, it's
definitely spelled Jacques so and then andthen Gray it's it's j A c q
u e Ah, that's that's funkedup. What So, I've been in

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a I'm sorry, but while we'reon the cast, I've been in a
h binge since basically since last Christmasof watching that was like really terrible Christmas
movies like Hallmark Channel movies, buta lot of the Amazon originals, and
the guy who plays the cop Ithought you looked familiar the whole time.

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Did not care to go to MarkBluecass. Yeah, Mark Bluecass did not
care to go to his IMDb pagetill just now. He was in a
Christmas Dot Dot Dot Ellipsis Present withCandace Cameron Beret, which came out last
year. Candae Cameron Beuret of coursefrom Full House, but I watched it

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last year because he's in this movieas well. I like that because like
I know him from like a goodchunk from what A remember of Buffy the
Vampire Slayer. But they were alsoin some lifetime the Christmas Present. Yeah,
it's a podcast. AJ I thought, you know, maybe we should
talk on the podcast. So forgiveme anymore drop interesting little nuggets. Forgive

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me for doing that. All ofour sponsors dropped us, we stopped doing
episodes and and so there's no talkinganymore. No one's paying for it,
uh unfortunately. So well let's goaround, let's and discuss. We can
start with a j general first impressionsof the film. Looking, I'm sorry,

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h Snart snarred, starred fire Glory. If you could describe your first
impressions of this film, Oh,thank you, A little a little more
stink on it. There's like aI don't know what the two thing is
called wait, hold on, myname is and I stop you before,

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but you guys were just like insuch a rush to I'm just excited.
It's great to be back in thesaddle. You forgot to introduce us.
Well, if you don't know usby now, then you walk allow me
to introduce myself. WHOA, well, maybe we have new listeners. Knew

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the introductions around here, pal,even if I don't give us your damn
thoughts on the movie, listeners,Yeah, this was the movie. It
wasn't the worst, it was notthe best. It really didn't have you

(07:31):
guessing much. It was just kindof slow until something happened and it was
like, oh it happened, yep, yeah, so there, Yeah,
can I give my initial thought isthat yeah, I don't know, aj
if you were done. So,there's four characters in this movie. There's
Cage, there's his wife, there'sthe cop, and there's the truck driver

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and the truck driver on Strawberry Blondeand Strawberry Blonde. But but there's like
four people that it could be like, you know, there's this murder.
It's a thriller mystery. You tryto find out who's killed this girl.
And the mystery is whether or notCage's wife is real. That's the real
mystery. And it's so and it'sso clear and obvious that the cop is

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a bad guy, like that couldnot be any more painted out. The
only other character that's what I'm saying. There's no other option. I don't
know if anyone was The Five Nightsat Freddy's. But it was a very
I mean, it was terrible movie, but it was a similar thing where
and I'm not I'm not gonna spoilit, don't because I'm watching it,
but it's it's there's only one othercharacter, so you know, when you

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only cast six people, it's asmall it's pretty obvious. But yeah,
I actually kind of liked this movie. I don't know, I didn't.
I didn't think it was good,but I also didn't think it was bad
like AD was saying, but Ikind of it was one of the what
did you say, I don't thinkit was bad. No no, no,
I'm saying like you said, itwasn't good. Orbit it was just

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it was fine. And but Ikind of liked it. I I it
was one of them where I watchedand I wasn't constantly checking the time or
anything, which I count as awin. And I showed that does count
as a win. Yeah, AndI thought Cage's fotacial hair was like looked
like it was glued on. SoI spent half the movie trying to figure
out if that was really it lookedlike and it's like a conglomeration of a

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lot of people. But yeah,I just couldn't get it. Part of
it was like John Cusack and I'mtrying to remember the movie. He was
like the one time you ever seenhim with a beard, and he kind
of looked like that. But Idon't know. I thought this movie was
fine as well. For me.The frustrating thing was seeing the amount of
potential in it. Yeah, becauseand at the end of the day,
like and I wasn't sure how y'allfelt about this. Like I thought,

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at least from Cage, like hedid a good job, you know,
like he did his work for this, and I don't think he was Like
I thought he was pretty solid andhis performance. The movie just didn't support
you know it, And it waslike you said, like it's a mystery
thriller and there's only one other guythe killer could be. Oh wow,
it's it's the guy that's constantly askinghim if you know what's going on,

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and it just the movie just kindof sucked. And the script was pretty
bad. And I love the ideathough. I like the idea of a
couple's who's just coming out of atraumatic situation. They just lost their kid.
They want to get away from LosAngeles. They buy a rundown motel
that's on the way to Las Vegas, just to kind of start a new
life for whatever. And weird shithappens at the hotel in a little tiny

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side town off a freeway, whichis right for great characters and weird people,
and you're the new ones. You'rethe new people here, and you're
the weird ones to us, whichis what they touch on, but they
just don't go far with it,and it just isn't interesting. And you
know what I did like though hand, which is I liked that you mentioned
it that they had this trauma oftheir kid died, and they they basically

(10:52):
they showed at the beginning of theyet well, I liked that there wasn't
like some big flashback scene and therewasn't some big exposition scene. It was
it was like the opening credits yousaw it, which the opening credits were
really funny. By that I wantedto address the opening credits. And then
they say it like she blames himfor you know, not being there because

(11:13):
he was cheating, But it's basicallyimplied and then he blames her for not
being there because she was high,and then that's it. Like I like
that they didn't spend a lot oftime on it. Oh, they went
right into it, which is great. I wish this movie was fifteen minutes
shorter because I think that would havealso been it a little better in that
sense, because they don't waste anytime, which is nice. It's like

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the opening to Black Widow, theonly Marvel movie where there's a main on
ends credit sequence where you see theprelude to the plot actually happening in a
bunch of flashes. In this case, it's just a weird looking baby that's
definitely not their kid, that isblowing out candles, yes, and then

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and then a police car shows up, so I guess. I guess that
kid's dead. And I appreciate thatthe kill a kid within one minute of
it was kind of messed up thatthey gave the kid trick candles. It
was either trick candles or bad editing. Not only did the kid die,
but he couldn't even blow She diedfrom but but the movie opens wish it

(12:18):
was another birthday and she couldn't blowout. Yeah, let me just sorry.
While we're on the candles slid.Let me just say that. There's
a shot of her trying to blowout these candles, which are all in
the middle of the cake. Sheblows out like half of them. Then
it goes to another shot of themall lit again. She blows them all
out in the middle of the cake. Then it goes to another shot where

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all of the candles are around therim of the cake and she has to
blow those out. It's like aIt's the most messed up thing I've ever
the Olympics of They just kept lightingcandles and being like, but here's the
deal. When you have when youhave one minute tocter to build character for
this, for this integral important part, integral part of the story, what

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do you do? You have herblow out a bunch of different candras.
I mean, what would a highperson do. They'd make you keep blowing
out candles. They make you keepblown out candles. Ye. Honestly,
this movie was pretty incredible and Ilove the story development, So I don't
know, yeah, yeah, sowe can move past the candle sorry,
yeah great. Of course I didn'trealize we'd even barely bring him up.

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But I'm glad we did, honestly, but we we kind of opened after
this little montage of that to them. It's while they're like driving to the
you know, through the desert toget to the motel. Uh and and
I don't know what. I don'tknow if it was Molly or what the
editor was on whenever they were addingthe credits in there. But it's just
this like really like it like theand it does not match this movie just

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what I'm meaning, It doesn't matchthe tone of the film. And all
these these these actor names just flyinto the front of the camera and like
this really shitty font all in redand then disappear, and then another one
flyes. It's horrible. It's likeit's like iMovie but worse. Yeah,
it's so it's like Windows movie maker, Like what is going on? You

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know? And I'm like, ohboy, we're in for one of these
movies. I was gonna say,well made, Like I mean, it's
it's the sets are nice enough andthe camera works fine enough, but it's
it's not you know, that setme up for something much worse in the
movie and being a little bit betterthan that. So I appreciate that.
So I don't know what the fuckthe the credits people were were doing for

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that, but good start to afilm. It was awful. Yeah,
yeah, I actually I was heatingup food and I missed the credits.
I wasn't paying attention. I've gotabout six notes on this one. Two
of them are different audio to clip, and I only ended up clipping one
of them because the other one wasn'tgood. But my first note before we
just knocked out one of them.So yeah, there we go. But

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my first note was actually about tostart because it was is she actually in
that car with him? Or ishe pretending she's there? Or maybe the
beginning of the movie with the deadkid, how much deeper you are into
the idea of is she real ornot? I couldn't, like yeah,
because it's just weird. They've shotin the car and then, like you
said, like she never interacts withanyone out Wait, what about when they're

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driving and she goes, I needto pee, I really need to pee.
I'm gonna pee my pants. Ineed to pee. And it's like
okay, and then he pulls overand kid goes wait a second, and
she goes, stop, let mepee. It's so cute. Yeah,
I love them he's like, shouldwe should we talk about should we talk
about the motel? And she's like, no, let's pee me and get

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out of the car. But likethat assumingly was also like thirty minutes later,
because I mean they're in the middleof the desert when she was talking
about all over o P there's noone there. Yeah, you gotta buy
one of those funnels. You gottabuy a funnel. Yeah yeah, the
one woman, Yeah, yeah,it's like a journal, but for her,
Yeah, it's a hurdle. Yep, yep. My next note comes

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in right at the next scene whenthey get to the hotel for the first
time. Uh and and they walkin and they they they are observed,
it's like late at night, andthe guy that previous owner's not there,
and so they're they're just seeing itreally for the like the second time in
person, or I guess the wifefor the first time, and she says
it looks a lot bigger in thepictures. And I thought that was a
real misopportunity for Kge just say,yeah, well so does my dick.

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But it still works just fine.I thought you were going to mention the
penis with legs that was on thecounter. No, no, no,
no, I was hoping you would. Yeah, I'll send you, guys
the picture that I took. It'sI guess it's a bird, but at
first glance I did think it wasa penis with legs. This motel did
have an obsession with owls. Well, there were nine owls. Is that

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what it was? Is that whatthey well they say it on the Marquee
it's yeah, completely, Oh youare far Oh yeah, that's that's where
it's coming from. Schnard Fargler.You guys see this picture. I know
this is a terrible podcasting, butcan you see why I thought this was

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a penis with with legretty good?It looks very phallic legs. It is
it is the meaning of all life. There's nothing about that that that says
to me. Are you talking aboutthe statue on the right. Yes,
that looks like a penis, right, yea, literally the only thing that
looks like a penis with legs.I couldn't have been more descriptive. Sorry,

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I was looking at the answer.Yeah. Yeah. The next forty
five minutes is Cage just looking suspiciousand being suspicious of everything happening. Yeah,
so this is a trope, right, is like, I feel like
I've seen this a billion times andmaybe not that many. But in movies

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with motels where there's the one waymirror and or whatever they call that,
right is one way mirror, Welllet's let's yeah, let's set it up
for the two listeners who thought Igot to hear their looking glass review,
but I haven't. I mean,they get this motel and like the the
owner, Ben, the guy thatthey bought it from, like just he

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like calls him once and then getsrid of his number and goes off the
grid. Uh. And so Cageis already like, oh, this is
weird, Like this is a weirdsituation. Uh. And throughout the you
know he did, so that's yeah, So next time you buy a motel
business of any kind. And whydid the guy sell it? Is because

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he knew the cop was the murderer. Is that well? Okay? Well,
I mean to go forward, Idon't know. I don't know because
when they finally gets the whole movie, they're like, where's Ben, where's
been? Every time the cop showsup, it's where it's been. And
when at the end of the film, when Cage finally tracks this man down,
get no answers. He just getsshot. There's no and I'm like,
I guess the cop he didn't evenreally track him down. He called

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the number that they all had andthen the guy was like, yeah,
i'll meet you. Well, theyapparently had this number, but no one
tried it because the cop kept saying, have you talked to him? You
know, I haven't talked to him, but you never see anyone. It's
infuriating. And he talks to hiswife about it. He's like, well,

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he he threw out his number andI just don't know how to reach
him. But like, yeah,the next day after they bought this fucking
property, and the wife goes,oh, maybe he changed his number for
twelve hours of talking to him duringthe middle of the business negotiation. It's
yeah, I love When they showup and Cage is like the key,

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he left the key outside the hotel. Anyone could have got it in the
key. It was like, Ilove that. And what does he do
In the next scene He makes anotherkey for the stranger he just met clean
and he has a wet dream aboutthat, an old ass cleaning lady that
he's threaming about, which is great. There's a nice shining moment. So

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this is one of my issues withthis movie is sorry, Hank, you
were setting it up and then wewe kind of went off. No,
it's hard straight back to that.Okay, go ahead, you say your
piece. Okay, I'll say mypiece. Then you give me I'll transition
back to what he was talking about. Okay, perfect. So what I
was going to say is one ofmy issues. You know, we really
got this podcasting thing down and itwas so but yeah, I know,

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so, Hank. I love howwe just don't ever talk over each other.
You know, it's a perfect conversationthat there's this crawl space where it
came fin that he can walk behindand there's a two way or one way
mirror into in the room that hecan watch, you know, one way
mirror, but it's to the room. Truck ball truck driver just happened?

(21:00):
Was that was not a plan?You said two balloon zoom. Loved your
fucking joke. I'm sorry everyone.I held for part of my really funny
joke. I held a one fingerup for when I said one way,
and then two fingers up for abunch of balloons. Shot back, it's

(21:26):
going to be are you doing I'mtoo. A wait, that's not doing
it for me. Do we havea video recording we might need release.
We'll put it on X yeah,which I don't even think. Yeah,
we'll put it on our Instagram.I need to see this, please please

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recording? Okay, So we foundthe mirror the one way Ah yeah,
so Cage with the mirror. Soanyway, essentially, the whole first half
of this movie sets Cage up tobe this gigantic pervert. He's having like
wet dreams, he's having you know, sex where he's waking his wife up
in the middle of the night,he's watching people upside and so like,

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why why why does the one waymirror get him to be a little more
perverted. Yeah, and we'll talkabout But what I'm saying is then it's
like that just isn't even relevant tothe movie at all. By the second
half of it, it's the andit should have been, because the idea
was that his character, prior tous meeting them, cheated on her allegily

(22:32):
exactly. But there's just no theythat's there's no proper setup for it for
this to then be like, oh, that's what he does. It's always
going back into bad behaviors. Youdon't exactly, they just don't they don't
execute that well. And then andthen it just drops off because by the
end it's I just yeah, Idon't know. I I found this movie

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like almost hard to follow at theend, where it was like they set
a million things up was was andopen the fucking floodgates of whatever, you
know, Like none of it made. It was just a bunch of ideas
that they were trying to build tooand never got to appropriately, which is
also what makes this movie hard totalk about because they set up so much

(23:15):
stuff that has no payoff. Well, you can't even you know. We
talked about the murder before, likewho could the murderer possibly be? It
ends up being the cop you Theway you find out about the murder is
so boilers for twenty eighteen's looking classYeah, sorry sorry spoilers, which you
can only watch on Stars. Yeah, or by renting it on Apple TV.
Yeah, it's it's prime what Yeah, I did a free Star subscription.

(23:41):
Razy, You're crazy, but yeah, no, I mean, you
know what, I don't even rememberwhat I was saying, but oh yeah.
The way you find out about themurder is someone throws a dead pig
into the pool. Yeah, itwas not all about it. Yeah,
well okay, yeah, some ofthat happens. So the idea is like
a murder happened like the day afterCage looked at buying the hotel originally,

(24:03):
which we never saw because we catchup with him and they were and we
also don't even know if that's true. The cop may have just said that,
and the cop could be lying.Yeah, he's unreliable as a narrator
for us. But like they theyI guess the way that she died name
was Chrissy, and the way thatshe died was like she cut herself open
and fell into the pool or somethinglike that. So some local townspeople or

(24:26):
something, which ends up not beingimportant at all. Later on, they
throw a dead pig into the poolwith a body cut open and a note
inside of it saying, Chrissy.This is This happens when Cage and his
wife for the first time, havea little downtime and they go to a
casino and get real drunk and havea lot of fun together. Come back

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and they find a dead pig body, and instead of reporting it to the
police, Cage drives it out likefour miles into the desert and just burns.
It is that why he doesn't handlethat? I'm even well three fluid?

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Yeah no, yeah, it's notgonna burn. It might get a
slight char but then you have likea little just stinky wet. It's a
pig. Yeah, it's huge.Yeah, it's not gonna They found it
in a minute. Yeah. Well, so here's here's what I think about
that is it wasn't townspeople that didthat. It was the cop and he's

(25:37):
messing with Cage what she could beSo which leads to the question, and
it does of the whole film,why is the cop fucking with k I
mean, so it's like, whatis this guy's because the cops obviously the
psychopath murderer, but but it's like, what is the motive? Why?
Why is he now fucking with theguy that just bought this motel when the

(26:00):
cop could have just gotten away Scottclean, and instead he instigated enough events
to get caught and then later killed. And why why does any murderer allow
themselves to get caught because that ata certain point they can't keep the secrets.
It is his signature throwing a wellI think the cops like favorite part

(26:30):
of this whole deal, and thereason that he did the whole pig prank
was to get Cage into the situationthat you would find him in next right,
And maybe it's because he wants toset Cage you you think the cop.
Yeah, the cop, we're thinkingbecause he's trying to set Cage up
to potentially be Remember, he's like, I'm gonna do a murder suicide thing

(26:52):
and you're gonna be the one thatactually killed. He's gonna tell people that's
who killed Chrissy. Don't those boysadmit to the pig though, or did
they admit to the They don't needthey don't admit to anything. They they
they because later in the movie it'slike the whole one thing is there's the
only other character in the movie isa gas station owner across the street,
or like a convenience store that's alwaysopen. Uh, And every now and

(27:15):
then the cop is like, well, the this the general store has video
of you pulling out in your truckor whatever. And then you I thought
the boys that were outside the gasstation, I thought they were like,
well they definitely did it, nicemess to clean up or whatever. Yeah,
well they imply that they're the oneswho did it without saying directly they

(27:36):
cop. And you never seen whoknows this is a this is a quiet
town that does you know, likeno one knows who who could have done
it. No one else talks inthis movie off the island. What were
you saying? Is a quiet town? I'll be right back this movie so

(27:59):
you know, there's there's not alot of action. These guys are making
their own entertainment with the new guy, right, and so like I think
the cop wants Cage to think itwas hooligan's from the neighborhood so that he
distrusts them, but really he's gotthem in his pocket already. Yeah,
his cronies. They're his eyes andears. And really the creepy, the

(28:25):
creepiest person in this whole movie who'swatching everybody is the sheriff. He's watching
them on people's surveillance cameras. He'sfollowing people around. You know, when
he says, oh, the rangersfound the pig in the desert, immediately
like, well, if he plantedthe pig, I bet he was watching
Cage to see what is he goingto do with it? He could have

(28:51):
said, we have it on thesurveillance footage from across the street, but
in reality, he was just followingCage, right, I mean exactly,
yeah, because it's a whole it'sit seems like a whole ruse to me.
And the reason I think that isbecause of my favorite scene from the
movie, which brings us to thehold on, we can't do we can

(29:21):
we can wait for hank I'm gonnaI'm gonna start setting. My mom's dog
just freaked out when I heard that. Nice but you know what I'm talking
about. It's it's well, no, no, no, I'm saying.
I'm saying, let's just let's justpause the podcast right here, Hankle,
just edit the fit out. Idon't I don't actually have a clip to
play. Oh okay, all right, well well let's keep going. Then

(29:45):
let's roll on like nothing happened.Yeah, forget about Hanky. Well we're
gonna actually I want to reenact theclip with one of you, and you're
here, so let's do it.So Cage is sitting there with a cop
right, it is not I havethis clip. You have the clip.
I have clip. No, don'troll the clips. Let's just do it
because it's the easiest clip to Okay, yeah, yeah, do you want

(30:07):
me to be I want you tobe Cage? Okay, So what I
think we should do? And hankto catch you up to speed. This
is Age's clip of the week,which also happens my clip of the week.
But oh, instead of rolling theclip, we're going to act it
out and then maybe you just rollit after and then the people can say

(30:30):
how close we call me? Callme rolling Emrick, because I'm down perfect.
He did the whole he did allthe other disaster movies. So am
I playing the Copper? Am Iplaying Cage? No, you're playing Cage

(30:51):
the cop. The cop comes into the motel, and uh, I
don't know if he gets coffee thistime? That was the Oh he's got
icy, and and all of asudden, the truth just kind of starts

(31:11):
coming to the surface. Cage startsvolunteering information about what happened. Well where,
yeah, I don't know. Maybehe got pressed for an alibi.
So he's telling the truth of well, the somebody put this pig in my
pool and so I buried it,blah blah blah. And then the cop
takes a turn and he wants tosee what Cage is made of and Cage

(31:33):
has been acting surprisingly suspicious, andso he decides to have a little fun
with him. Now, at theend of the day, we know that
the cop like did it, soobviously Cage didn't do it. But this
is just the most fun. Allright, Okay, we acting, we're

(31:55):
acting. Who's the cop? Who'sCage? Okay, sorry, go ahead,
I'll be the cameras. Do it? I do what? Did you
do it? Did I do?What? Did you do it? Did
I do it? Did you doit? Did I do what? Come

(32:20):
on? Did you do it?Howard? Did I do what? Did
you? Did you do it?Did I? Did I do what?
Didn't you? Didn't you? Though? Did I do it? Didn't you?

(32:42):
Did I do? What? DidWe'll see the inline? Now,
Yeah, that was that was prettygood. That's about as good as it
wasn't I know you didn't do it? I mean, it's about as annoying
as that was, but way quicker. And so know that it's not much

(33:06):
quicker. It's like forty five seconds, Well what did you? But the
it's like did you do it?No? Did you do it? Did
no? Did I do? What? Did you do it? Did I
do it? Did you do ita little bit, they do it?
Maybe they rehearsed. It was thenight after you showed up here to come
see this place for the first time. It was just a couple of months
ago. You came here to lookat it, right, and the boys

(33:29):
across the street said they saw yoursame truck in this parking lot the day
before. Is that some strange asstiming? Or what did you do it?
Did I do it? Do it? Did I do? Ready to
do it? Did I do what? Did you do it? Great?

(33:52):
Did you do it? Did youdo it? Did I do right?
Did you do it? Did Ido? What? Did you do?
Did I do what? I knowyou didn't do it? Did you did
you do it? Did you doit? Did you do it? Did
you do it? I know youdidn't do it. I know he did

(34:14):
and not about it Like that scenethat cage is like at this point,
he's he's been seeing weird ship.He doesn't know what's real what's not.
He's looking through this one way mirror, a some like BDSM ship going on
in motel room number ten, whichshould have been the name of the movie
because everyone says number ten five trilliontimes, yeah never and and he's just

(34:36):
he's freaking out. He just burneda pig in his pool. He had
no idea what's going on, andnow a cop is just screaming at him.
Did you do it and get theguy break? Like he's just losing
his mind? Well, that thattoo, was the scene. I mean,
obviously it's I is that the introductionof the copp or I think it's
a second no, no, nono, it's a ways into because he's

(35:00):
bothering him about the coffee a coupleof times before they get to that.
But but that scene, if youdidn't already realize that he's the murder,
you're like, oh, this guy'sa socio path. No normal person would
have that. I don't even believehe was a real cop. I feel
like, show to the hotel wearingthat uniform. But it's like, you

(35:21):
know, just like how the wife'snot real, Like no one in this
film is what they seem to be. Well, I was so deep into
the wife's not real thing that whenher and the cop interact, I was
like, oh, the CoP's notreally I just wasn't giving up the wait.
Wait, were you as deep asJacques as Ray? Uh? Tommy's

(35:44):
Girl number five was into Strawberry Blonde. No, I was. I was.
I would not have licked her shoes. Let me tell you yeah,
well mm hmm, Tommy's girl thinkthat was her? I don't know that.
I think it was. I thinkit was twelve people listed on the

(36:04):
so it's hard to tell. CanI ask you guys a question about this
movie, because I feel like wemaybe don't have too much. I'll ask
once we're done with we have somuch to say. I have, Yeah,
one more note. Maybe this willspark some conversation. I only had
two notes right now. I havemore to say than I did after watch
the same But I so I hadthis thought earlier. Do you think that

(36:30):
more or less than three thousand peoplehave seen this movie? You think more?
Yeah, that's got about one hundredreviews online. It's I'd say definitely
more than three thousand, just becauseNick Cage is in it, and okay,
that's fair. I think yeah.I think people are going to watch

(36:51):
it on my accident. Yeah,no, it's not. You got to
rent it or at the very right, but it's there. I think people
saw this and I feel so badfor all of them that got suckered in
by and we don't watch trailers andshit before we watch these movies. Usually
we just watched the movies. Ihaven't seen any trailers for I'm sure they
made a great trailer that showcased alot of Cage. Oh yeah, and

(37:13):
then with his name on it andslap him on there. One hundred percent,
he was used for his star statusbecause at this point, like we
are now, like if I'm correct, seven years ago, our last episode
was Mandy, So at this point, he's back on the market, he's
moving again, and things are gettingbetter for him, but he's still you
know this, this could have alsobeen filmed before that, who knows whatever,
and release at this time. Butthis was one hundred percent a movie

(37:37):
that's crappy screenwriter, director that's definitelymore of a TV director and then goes
straight to on demand and but wegot Cage, we got Nicholas Cage and
he and he does a good job. So I think more than three thousand
I'm gonna say at least three thousandand seven people saw this movie. Okay,

(37:58):
that's fair. Yeah, I thoughtprobably a low estimate, but it
feels about right for a movie thatmade seventy thousand dollars at the box office
and it probably had like a twoscreens, you know, yeah, a
weekend or something. It's great now, I mean it's great now. Like

(38:19):
when I went to see Dream Scenario. I know you were laughing, Henk,
because we sent the picture, butwe got there kind of early.
The theater was like half full.And I've been to a few. I
went to Renfield and it was apack theater. So it's like, there
are movies that he's in now thatpeople are going to see. This is
not one of them. This twentyat this time, Yeah, we're not

(38:40):
there. Yeah, looking Glass,we're not there yet. Yeah, it's
it's he's not he's not filling housesyet. And like even Mandy was a
exception still at this time that we'rein that just happened to be a really
interesting movie that's definitely a higher levelthan something like this. Yeah, you
know, and and would bring peoplein just kids just like it, and

(39:00):
you can market it and you can'thonestly say, oh, here's Cage going
batshit with a movie like Mandy.Yeah, that's what people are going in
to see Cage for. Is this. You're not getting the crazy Cage,
but you are getting an engaged Cageand I love which I loved you.
Yeah, he's definitely participating in thisfilm, which is nice, and so

(39:21):
it's upsetting when I see that.He clearly liked the idea of this movie.
And it's just it's whether it's ascript or just what happened on set,
who knows, But it just didnot come out as good as this
story should have been. Well,something happened on set. Robin Tooney was
blown away, described Cage as oneof the greatest actors ever, saying she's

(39:43):
never enjoyed working with someone as muchas with him. So that's his wife.
Yeah, I think she was justin love with them. They kissed
the lot and he grabbed her kits. How you not be I mean they
had sex a couple of times.Yeah, it was. It was always
kind of freaky times. It wasnice, very horny film. It was
a horny film. It was aweird one to watch it work, funny

(40:06):
enough, he always watches at work. Yeah. I had a conversation with
a with a with a friend theother day and she was like talking about
it. I don't even know whatmovie, but she was just like,
it didn't it didn't earn its horniness, and I thought that's crazy, Like
you can just be horny for thesake of horning. Every movie should be
warning. But in this case themovie it's it's horny, but it doesn't.

(40:27):
It's all the whole movie is justso disconnected. It just feels so
disjointed. Yeah, and and there'sno real running tone throughout it. It
kind of shifts too much. Andwhat was your favorite line? Because edited
like three different people, there isa correct answer. There's a correct answer,
yep, to your favorite line,because I know what it is.

(40:50):
Did you do it? Nope?I mean I might have been. That's
your favorite scene? What was yourfavorite individual line? Uh? Reminded me
it was It was most likely thetruck driver saying I've got to go do
my duty to my wiener. Ithought that was a nice That was a
good one. That was a goodline. Right. The truck driver was

(41:14):
good. He just showed up andhad sex. Yeah. I didn't really
care for the scene of the truckdriver's balls flapping around in his tidy white
as it really made the necessary though. It was it didn't earn that horn
Let me tell you that that's first. It was experience with the looking glass.
We still have not set up thelooking glass. Not well, I

(41:36):
think it's pretty well. We justwe just bashed right too. Well,
this brings us back to about twentyseven minutes ago when I was saying they
bought the hotel, and then Cagejust sort of checking it out and he
finds a cross space that he walks, you know, kind of goes through
and he finds that it's only inmotel room number ten that has a little
ladder underneath the foundation of the place. You can time up and look through

(42:00):
the one way mirror in there.But what's so, what's so? This
is? This is the problem withthe movie is it sets up this idea
that all these locals in this freewaytown know about something in this motel is
like you can go have weird sexand it's okay, which is like just

(42:20):
generally I imagine what most motels arefor anyways, but in this town particularly,
everyone knows you gotta go to motelroom number ten and forgive me and
tell me, guys if I misssomething here, if like the truck driver
was aware that he's being watched,and if and if the BDSM chick is
aware that they're being watched because everybodywants to be and I think I think

(42:45):
they were. Yeah, I thinkso too, but they don't explicitly say
it in the film. I don't. I don't so I don't think the
BDSM girl was, but I dobelieve. I do believe that the truck
driver was, because otherwise there's reallyno reason for him to insist on room
number ten. And that's the issuewith the film is they never establish at

(43:08):
any point that these people know,like, Okay, maybe the guy the
previous owner been, maybe he wasfilming it behind cameras and this was some
secret porn and the truck driver wouldbring people in there to film them unknowing,
or the BDSM chick would do thesame thing. Why did everyone want
to go to bed room number ten? They never know. There's no I

(43:28):
think he said I call it.I think I think he said something about
it being like a bigger suite.No, that was room number five.
No, it's at the end ofthe strip, right. So the excuse
the truck driver makes is that likehe wants to make a lot of noise,
not bother people, so he wantsto be far on the end.

(43:49):
There's no one else on the otherside at least, right, that was
the excuse. But then they mentionedsomething about it being bigger and nicer,
and like, that's the room thatanybody would want. I thought, okay,
so I thought it was when theymoved the girl out of room number
five. They she had said six, room number six. We have a

(44:10):
family. I thought that was thewhole thing. They need the double in
the bigger room, right, becauseit's not the king, which would make
which would make ten. Not becausetim's just a regular room. I mean
as far as if you when youwhen we see it, yeah, not
necessarily because when you're looking through theglass you see the bed. But there

(44:31):
is another room off to the side, and that's where he noticed. That
is true. I think the cigarettethat was like a sitting room. You're
right, you're right, Okay,you're right, there's another party. Can
I say something about the title lookingglass? Please? Do you boys know
the definition of a looking glass?This was bothering me. I looked it

(44:54):
up to confirm. A looking glassis an object with a surface so reflective
that you can see yourself in it. In other words, a mirror.
That was not a looking like hewas seeing a whole room. He was
seeing no no no no no nono no no. But but James Cage
is seeing Ray, is seeing himselfin this reflection, in this look,

(45:17):
he's seeing the perversion that he wants. He's seeing. It's it's an internal
characterization, emotional trauma that he's tryingto to surpass. I missed that because
this film that this movie actually betterunless for the true tour okay to understand

(45:43):
well, so that that brings meto my second issue. It doesn't.
But my mother big issue with thisis is the murder which we've alluded to
earlier, which is the woman whoKelly was her name Hank Giraffes on the
film, Cassie. Cassie the onewho gets murdered and they throw the pig

(46:05):
in the in the pool, soanyway, she is allegedly dies by suicide,
was the initial report. So sheslices herself open like uh, someone
committing suppuku and but there's no knifeat the scene of the crime. They

(46:27):
make a point of that, sothat doesn't make any sense. So what
did happen is she gets murdered inroom number ten, which is how the
hotel owner knew about it. Butyou're slicing someone from basically from head to
to toe. I don't know howeverfar he say it was. It was

(46:50):
through the belly, in the chestwas yeah. Okay, So there's so
much blood right that I would assumethat room would be destroyed unless he you
know, I laid completely out.He had a he had a disinfect and
disinfectant disinfected okay, okay, Yeah, they sprayed it in a yeah,
and he had a little handwipe thatmakes sense. And then he carried this
bleeding body to the pool and nobodysaw it. Mm hmm. Even though

(47:15):
these these fellas across the street,they watch everything, security footage, the
whole nine yards. Yeah. Ihated that that murder made the murderman not
especially because like the guy across thestreet who has a front camera at his
at his at his twenty four toseven store and would see a lot of

(47:37):
this stuff going on and actively talkswith the We see his security camera,
how's the pool in it? It'sall there, but he just ignores it.
Is he in on it with thecop? We don't know? Because
the guy once so the town,you got it in establish all these characters

(47:57):
in this town, all these weirdosand their own, the guy that runs
the store. Oh, these arethe punks that mess things up, but
maybe you make them think that thepunks that threw things in the ocean.
But maybe they're the ocean. Butmaybe not. You know, you'd established
all these different people. It doesn't. Yeah, we also in the worst
way. Yeah, there's a lotof information missing, which leads to our

(48:22):
confusion as well. Right, becausewell, when the second murder happens,
right, it doesn't happen in theroom. The girl gets snatched and murdered
somewhere else. So and we allwe don't know what the hotel owner saw
in that room. We don't knowwhat kind of interaction he had with the

(48:45):
cop. Maybe he saw her getsnatched and ran outside worriedly, and the
cop just kills her right here andthrows her into the pool and threatens it
or something, you know, ormaybe he doesn't see the murder at all,
but he knows something happened. Wellno, because at the end,

(49:05):
remember at the end, when whenCage jumps through the window and the cops
about to die, he's like,that's how Ben knew it, like clicks
for him, what, which whichimplies never, well, that's how he
knew that ship was going down theone way. But but that also means
the cop didn't know that there wasa one way mirror there, which makes

(49:27):
them now separate, you know,separately related things, which would be interesting
if it wasn't played like they werein fucking cahoots together the whole Yeah,
and it was stupid about it.Who shot him? The cop? Did
he like the cops shot him?Yeah? I hated it. I I

(49:49):
what I was most confused by.And James, maybe you can he I
don't know what is going on withWho's Asy talking to? Probably is yeah,
right, you might, But Imean Anthony Perkins was nowhere to be
seen, I know. And itwas called Baits Motel. Yeah, yeah,
and you know obviously, as youknow, my favorite film is Psycho

(50:10):
three, and it is so frustratingto not see Anthony Perkins after all that
great characterization you get after Psycho oneinto two, right and you bring it
all the way to three, andthey didn't follow up that at all.
Yeah, so this movie so right, we were talking about Psycho. So

(50:35):
my only other note, all I'msaying is that Psycho and I know that's
a crazy thing to say, butpersonally I think that the Psycho films and
series are better than this movie somehow. Yeah, even the Vince Vaughn shot
remake might have been better that one. Maybe we should do is a is
a spin off episode? I don'tknow. I talked to my mom about

(50:57):
Cake for one second, and we'retalking about a whole other movies here.
Well, hold on, let mebring us back to the movie. I'd
rather be talking about psych one moreand that we can we can talking about
Do you guys notice how bad thechoreography was in that bar fight scene.
That was the worst active fight.I think it's really smart if you're holding
a gun to someone to get asclose as you can so that they can

(51:17):
grab the gun, rather than usingwhat guns are good at, which is
distance. But they hits. Thehits themselves looked so fake. It was
horrible. It was on an actionfilm. James, it's a mystery thriller.
You're right, Well, that's allI had in the mystery Where a
gun out in the bar in thetown where everybody fucking knows each other,

(51:40):
and you're the only nuke Like he'sthe target out in that bar. Probably
not. They have one of thegreatest goofscaffs or rules that I've ever seen
on IMDb. I can't wait getto that section. Guy, it's a
shame that we're not that section,but I can't wait to get to that

(52:02):
of the show because I have somany more notes here. My only other
note is at one point, Cagewipes his glasses with a one dollar bill.
Yeah, whenever, whenever, whenever, whenever he gets back from from
he like he burns the pig andthen he like sits down in his car

(52:23):
and like has to take a couplehours, so like just relax. He
gets back to the apartment or themotel and he's like he's just kind of
freaking out. And the truck drivershows up. He's like, hey,
room number ten, and then Cageshuts down. He's like, I've had
a terrible, terrible night, andthe guy's are you okay, And he's
like, I don't know. Andhe reaches into his pocket and he pulls
out a one dollar bill and takesoff his glasses and starts wiping him,

(52:46):
which is the grossest, and putshis eyes. Wow, super gross.
That's my last note of the film. That happened about thirty minutes. I
got nothing else a j My firstnote was how much I absolutely loved our

(53:08):
introduction to the hooligans. Uh didwe have an introduction to them? Well,
that's that. It's exactly it.He goes across the street and it's
like the convenience store owner and thenit's just like the hooligans and they're just
giving him like a really sharp look, like the sharpest look. Wait,

(53:30):
so your first note was at theone hour and ten minute mark. I
know that because I AIO of thebad interaction, but it didn't play over
audio. Oh yeah, it wasfantastic. That was my first and out
of two notes. Okay, wow, so you were just in and it
was because the one kid is sittingin the car. They have it jacked

(53:51):
up right. They're working on thecar, and like as they're trying to
like intimidate cage, they're like loweringthe car and the car like slowly comes
into the frame and then you likesee this one young kid at the steering
wheel and he's just staring him down, just staring him down and doesn't say

(54:12):
anything, and it's just a reallylong shot of that, like are just
moving down Just Yeah, the writerfucked up. The writer fucked up.
He made the whole movie out cage. There's so much else to tell the
story, and they just here's aguy staring across the street. Not relevant.

(54:37):
It's it's like a Star Wars movie. All they talk about is the
Skywalkers. This movie. All theywanted to talking about was Ray. At
least Star Wars has lightsabers, youknow, and those are cool and yeah,
which is a great too. Music? Right, yep? Did you
know that that's the genre of musicthey play at the is is that's cannon.

(55:01):
That's George Lucas cannon right there.That's one of those. Yeah,
we need this because fat about theone about friends. This is worse.

(55:22):
This is your fault, James.This is what you asked. He's making
sweet love to his wife Williams.Was that the just Williams? But they
are called the Wailers? Is that? Is this correct? This is true?

(55:45):
This is true, This is real. That That makes so much sense
then, because what happened is myfriend is a real music nerd. He
likes making love with music. They'reindistinguishable. He needs one have the other.
And as they're listening to music,the Cantina band song comes on,

(56:06):
but they were such in the throesof passion that he refused to stop,
and he's like, I will notI will not stop stop at that time,
why would you stop? Well?No, he vamped up and ended
up Cie maxon to the Cantina songand felt just the most amount of shame.

(56:30):
He should he shouldn't. He wasjust doing the genre of music.
Yeah, it's just and yeah,hasn't now every time he hears that song,
Jesus, Look, that is exactlywhat George Lucas wanted. That's exactly
when you watched the original Star Wars. If you're not turned on at the

(56:52):
cantina, then there's something wrong withsomething, you know. And I hate
to say that, but just theway it is. If this podcast,
let's wrap this up. If you'relistening to our show at all or something
that's true, shout out. Idon't want to go through the list.

(57:13):
Three people, Clara Jess if you'restill listening, yeah, Hank's new hold
all my coworkers that join and neverlistening. Kevin, Yeah, I don't
have any friends who listen, Okay, because it's not like we're not we're
not We're not a produced show,you know, where we're honest, we're

(57:37):
raw, We're Indie. We weI need to stand because Hank is just
off the rails. We say soover this movie on behalf of I just
love Psycho too. I just thinkit was a much better film. Was
good. That's what I'm saying.It's a great movie. Yeah. I
like trying. People talking about psychall the time, and for good reason,

(58:00):
but they sleep on Psycho two andeven three. Anthony Perkins carries the
character through a level of no.You and I used to talk about it
whenever it was live, Like theshow is great, Freddie Heimo kills it
and I good believe Freddie Heimore theGood Doctor wasn't in this looking Glass film.

(58:22):
Agree, It's just astounding. That'sthat's how I feel about thanks Killing
three. Everyone was talking about thanksKilling two. Thanks Killing It doesn't even
exist. Thanksgiving Killing two is lostin space somewhere, isn't it. Yeah?
Yeah, they had to find itthrough a Kickstarter. Hey, you
know what I want to do.I want to go to a segment of

(58:43):
the show that I like to callgoofs ghouls and gags or whatever that he
James j Fuck, what aj whatdo you want? Before James reads the
internet's goofs and gas change. Ihave a couple of goosey gaps of my
own, and let's let's see ifthey if they make the list. Okay,

(59:05):
okay, okay, all right,first right, Cajun Harrit's the motel.
He goes, he's checking everything out. He's got a ring of keys.
His ring of keys doesn't open aparticular door. What does this door
go to? Not anything super secret. He has to go get a chain

(59:28):
breaker machine tool. How do Inot know what that tool is? The
chain breaker? And he breaks thechain, busts into the room. And
what is that room? The laundryroom. M hm. So how has
his cleaning lady been doing the laundrythis whole time? She's just cleaning.

(59:55):
I hope she's cleaning the sheep,the laundry fellow. They have this hotel.
They just spray and then and thenhe watched the amount of jizz that
is in this hotel remarkable in cleaningthose sheets. It's it's it's it's apician,

(01:00:15):
you know, like there's no it'sjust a it's a nightmare. It
is. But but key should havebeen given that key. So when he
goes into the laundry room. Ithink something is awry. He goes downstairs,
he's looking around, there's storage,there's a funny, peculiar thing that
catches his eye, right, Andthat's the whole into the foundation to where

(01:00:37):
he crawls through the crawl space eventuallyfinds the looking glass. This is the
most problematic part in the movie tome. Somebody who builds things. One
way Glass works on a very strictprinciple of lighting. Right, Yeah,
there was no I had the sameissue ad the issue internet did it that

(01:00:59):
when so? Okay, way,they wouldn't be a mirror for them,
right. No, For One WayGlass to work, it has to be
bright on the reflective side and darkon the non reflective side. So when
you see cops that are looking intoan interrogation room always standing in the dark,

(01:01:20):
Yeah, and the room is alwayswell well lit, and that's interesting
and that is not the case ofthis film because it's dark on both sides.
No, did it is lit attwenty four to seven in the crawl
space. There's like three or fourlights that stay on. But when well,

(01:01:44):
it looks dark, right because it'sa movie. But when he crawled
through, yeah, there's lights downthere. So when you turn off the
lights in the room and the roomis completely dark, what are you going
to You're going to see the lightsan ambient glow, but no one's sleeping

(01:02:04):
in that room. Yes, Ilost you somewhere in there. None of
that makes any sense. I thinkmy jumbled mess. I didn't articulate you.
It was perfect, It was beautiful? Was that it? On the
groups and Gass? I think thismovie. Talking about this movie has made

(01:02:25):
me dislike it. I I kindof liked it watching it, and I
think now I just it's actually mademe like it more. To be honest
with you, yeah, maybe maybegoing back in a this is very bad
kind of way. It's well,if we talk about that hour, what
you might come back? Yeah?Can. That's the only thing that's making

(01:02:46):
me not enjoyed is I'm feeling badfor Hank. I'm watching the life bloods
just sucked out of him from wherehe started where he's like, yeah,
I didn't like or dislike this movie. Issues And then maybe you need a
Maybe you need a cup of coffee. You want a cup of coffee,
you know, you know Bob hadthe best cup of coffee. Any Bill

(01:03:07):
had the best cup of coffee andwhatever? Did you not buy a cup
of coffee? Why are you drinkingcoffee? And it's like Folger and it's
just yeah, who the fuck doesn'tdrink coffee in the morning, no matter
what. I don't drink coffee,but people who do It doesn't matter what
the weather is, it makes sense. I'm surprised it was a terrible on

(01:03:29):
the weather. One is, ah, it's so cold, this is the
desert. Who knew this desert couldbe so cold? And then immediately after
that, how the fuck can youdrink coffee when it's hot out? Yeah?
But is about how deserts work.Isn't a cold at night and hot
during the day. There's a there'sa line where Cage says that he goes
to the to the maid. He'slike, who would have thought it would

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get so cold at night? Yeah, it's a desert. Yeah, what
do you mean? And how itworks? But that's just asking for coffee.
You think it would still be chillyin the morning because it's by seven
pm. Yeah, sounds christ Bothof you guys have purped now on this

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episode most of the time, soHank no Ghoules. By the way,
I didn't even ask per your ask, Well, you said it's goof Schools,
and I just wanted to be clear. There's no Googles. I guess,
I just I guess. I justwish that one movie would happen.
You know, it's not this one. A J. I'm shocked that you
missed this one. So there wasa couple like about just jump cuts or

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whatever, not like you can seetheir mic packs at one point, but
there was one obvious goof that whenyou said you had goofs, I for
sure it was going to be thisone. It is under the miscellaneous section
somehow zero helpful one dislike I thoughtit was helpful. This is on IMDb.
AJ. None of the characters werewearing seat belts in this film.

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It's true you missed that. Didyou miss that part? And KG is
like, see anybody even driving anywhere? I just at the beginning when they're
driving in I guess, but theyweren't wearing seatbelts. But yeah, no,
I thought that was helpful. Whatdo you think? Are you going
to back me up on this?Can I hit him with a helpful?
I think it's helpful because you gotto wear your seatbelt and not only was

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cage again, not wearing a seatbelt. He was streaking a beer while he
was driving. How many times doeshe ask his wife if shall have a
beer with him and she says,nah, yeah, that's great. Well,
because she's a recovering addict, she'sa recovering addict, and he's problematic
in his own ways, but hejust wants a beer, you know,
And and a beer might lead totwo pills, which it does. Wait,

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what about the scene where she's likefreaking out because she wants to take
drugs and she thinks it's he's cheatingon him, and how they don't resolve
it. Yeah, and she hasa panic attack and then they It's just
it's just a series of just likescenes that happen and where you might think,

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oh, well, this is whatthey're gonna do. They don't do
it, but not in a smartsubversive way and just a oh they just
didn't even bother to do the actualbasic scene. You know, this movie's
I think I lost a lot ofpoints think it. I'm very frustrated they

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used my man, they used mysweet boy cage. Yeah, I mean
it's not should we go into it? And for nothing? He was just
a It's just a good soul broken. Yeah, it's Tuesday night. It's
it's July seventh, a week afterour last episode. It is. Let's

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let's go into a little section Ilike to call final thought, James Arena,
what are your final thoughts on thesecond bit? Or right man,
it's been a week, man,a long week. Love that rust?

(01:07:21):
Yeah? This is this is Thisis Hank's flu game except a drop forty.
I love the Hunger Games. Ican't wait for that reboot. It's
pretty cool. That's it's so badtoday. Yeah, it's stinks, absolutely
stinks. You saw an early cutof it. I saw, and let

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me tell you, thanks why I'venever seen any of the There's a line
in that movie. There's a linein that movie for it's like the second
one. For all the Hunger Gamesfans out there, there's a line in
this movie where someone picks up athey go back to District twelve, which,
if you'll remember, is intro goalfor the first few I like to
district. They pick up like aplant, and some goes, what is

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a and the other girl goes,oh, we call it catnus. That
was the worst fucking fan service.That's the name of Jennifer character life.
Oh my god, it was despicable. Anyway, My final thoughts on this
movie are, it was fine.Uh, it's not as bad as Hank's

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making out. Let's be, let'sbe. I don't think I'm even making
it out to be. This isthis is I mean is this is a
purely me thing. Anyone can Iget it? I get it. I'm
just think just thinking about it,nine seven hours after watching it, it's
it's really sinking in that I wasupset by it. All right, well
do you do that in your finalthoughts? In my final thoughts, will

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Hank is saying something completely different andyou men, and my final thoughts,
this is what I thought, thisis what I think. Don't watch this
movie. There's better ones to watch. If it ever becomes free on streaming
and you need something to watch,it's fine to watch fifty seven cages out
of one hundred. Okay, heyJane, Oh, I'm sorry, Stars

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Schnarf and Darker Fow. That isdisrespectful to me and my country and my
people. Forgive him Snart fin snark, your people of North Carolina. Yeah,
this movie was as I h AsI mentioned, the most problematic part

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is the fact that that one mymirror would not not work. Uh,
it was pretty cringey. I thinkit was actually creepier watching Cage just like
stand in the parking lot and stareat people's like closed curtain windows, yes,

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knowing that they're having sex. Thenactually watching them have sex. That
was weirder. But that was becauseit was like thirty minutes of that.
Yeah, it was too much,too much, a lot of a lot
of bad decisions that could have beenmade as good decisions, but they failed.

(01:10:30):
Uh let's give this one sixty threemm hmm. Nice, Okay,
Uh, yeah, it was rightright out of one hundred. Great,
because that's annoying, not looking outof one hundred tonight right, which would

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have been a whole thing. Themovie was fine, as we've all said,
it was fine. It was theywasted a lot of time of Cage
looking through not even the looking glass, just his yeah, his blinds and
his windows and standing around. AndI get that you have this great actor,

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but we gotta have other characters too, and this movie does not establish
that. And if you're gonna bea mystery thriller, you gotta have other
interesting characters to follow through as well. We should only even make Cage shine
even more. So I thought itwas a waste of a good performance from
our king. And I also agreewith you, James that the wife was

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probably dead from years before and wasa ghost the whole way through. And
I just hate to see the Ihate to see the waste of a good
idea, and this movie was apoor execution of a very cool idea.
So rip it was no Psycho twoor three. So I'm gonna give this

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forty eight out of one hundred cages. But the positives will say Cage did
a good job in it. Thewife, even though she wasn't there,
she did a pretty solid job too. I like that it didn't look cheap.
It looked like a well produced movie, which on this show goes a
long way only except for the openingcredits. Except for the opening credit.

(01:12:18):
Whoever did that was it was theintern? But out immediately yeah, yeah,
outside of that, you know,there was some good production quality to
this show, so I'll give themthat credit, which only makes it worse
because it's just like, oh,so you had the sets, you had
the actors, you just had areally bad script. So I hate to

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see it, all right, Sohanky eight. Yeah, yeah, I
gave it a fifty seven. Agentgave it a sixty three, brings a
composite score to fifty three cages outof one hundred. That puts this movie
gotta scroll down. That puts thismovie tied with three of their films,

(01:13:00):
Oh my gosh. In fiftieth playforty ninth place, all tied for forty
ninth, tied for forty ninth.So it's right behind the two way tie
of Amos and Andrew and Astro Boy. I'd watched that. I remember Astro
Boy, and it is tied withSonny, and it is tied with It

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Could Happen to You, which AJfamously gave us seven and was very incorrect
about and dropped that score. Andthen it is right in front of number
fifty or fifty three technically stolen,which I don't think I remember that one.
I can tell you a thing aboutit. Okay, okay, Well

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that's Looking Glass. I almost saidRoom number ten, but looking unfortunately not
the name of this film. Itwasn't nearly as good as Robert Egger's The
Lighthouse. Mm hmm. Otherwise that'sit, James, What the freaking' heck?
Are we watching next week? Gladyou remember? Didn't think you would.

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I'm actually excited. I'm on it. I don't think this is going
to be a good movie, butit is an hour in twenty six minutes.
It's called two eleven. While onroutine patrol and aging Copp his partner
and there ride along get caught ina standoff with a band of former mercenaries
robbing a bank. Now, thereason I am excited for this movie is

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that it stars Nicholas Cage, SophiaSkelton, Dwayne Cameron, Michael Rainey Junior,
and Western Cage, Nicholas Cage's son. Whoa is this our first show
with him? I feel like Ibelieve he's in a season of The Witch
as well. Okay, yeah,yeah, but I think he's like our
actual real character in this one.And he's in Lord of War as well.

(01:14:49):
Oh wow, Okay, is maybewe've seen him a few times?
Yeah, he's in Why does itfeel like it's like the first real time?
I think this is the first timehe's actually like grown up. Yeah.
I think I think he's maybe beenlike a little kid or something.
Okay, it's in Wage, Iguess, yeah, he was in a

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couple other ones, but rage uhand and so, just to go off
of this a little bit, toall of our true fans who are actively
following the show day and night,just seething at the teeth for the next
episode, he will be back.Yeah, that's that's the same for sure.
For sure. Don't take it forgranted. The episode that we should

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be doing, which is the randomnon cage episode, is coming, but
our special guest needed some time towork on his martial arts, so we
are waiting until he finishes his Marchmartial arts career. You, oh,
he'll come and and so after thatpoint we will then have that episode out

(01:15:57):
and we're we are so sorry.It'll be a freaking the tradition, but
it is the Christmas film that willbe. I'm so excited for it.
I really hope he doesn't get hisask before he finishes his martial arts.
We believe in him. I don't. There are some goons out there.
I believe in him, some ghoulsas well, I hope. So he

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give it to the people. Gotan episode hanging there? What's that?
Give it to the people, Hank, send them, Hey people, thanks
for listening. I know it's beena long week, but welcome back to
the Wickerman. We are definitely goingto be having regular episodes for the next
five seven years, so keep intouch and thank you so much. We're

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gonna we're gonna roll our way outand I wish you all the best.
Ay j thanks for being a memberof the show. James, my guy.
Thanks for being a member of theshow. Hank, thanks for being
on the show. Hey, youdo it? What did I know?
What did I do? You definitelydidn't