August 21, 2024 • 46 mins
Thwip! Thwip! Ruuuuubik's cube?! Say, kid, we gotta go give a punchin' up punch up to them bad guys, see? Yeah, yeah yeah! It's the Wicker Men in the Wicker-Verse!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, mess, I'm a lieutenant in the police department.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm in the middle of a homicide investigation. Try I
get my prescription please.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
The whole time is standing there with this whom.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Me expression on your face?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Have you ever been dragging to the sidewalk and being.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Tell you best blood?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
No man has spilt more blood in God's name than I.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How in the name of Zeus's buttle did you get
out of yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
What you really think? I let myself get killed in
a garbage truck? Ha?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, I hit in a soup can roll it all
the way to the city dump.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Because I was made for this super baby and I am.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
The care Uh jeez, how are we gonna make this one?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Boy?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You ever you ever see a spider on the street
and you're just like, man, oh man alive? That thing
is eight legs, eight legs. It must be able to
walk pretty parallel with itself, parallel universes. What is this
going into the spider verse? I'm kind of a spider man.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I actually was thinking about this. Can I give
it a try?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Okay? So I went home, and I was home about
a week or two ago. I actually saw aj while
I was home and Asia. I don't know if you
remember this, but when we had lunch together, my mom
started singing and she just decided randomly to start singing
this song I hadn't heard in a long time, and
she started.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
It was was.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
An old lady who swallowed a fly. I don't know
why she swallowed it. And I was like, Mom, can
you please stop? Can you just get into the spider
verse already?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Do you actually say that to your mom?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No? I just came up with that seconds ago. I
was trying to think of something.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Now, you know, I feel.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It feels, it feels terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Hold on, nurse, let me burst on this spider verse.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
All right, kickback, relax and grab yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
A bever Ridge, Oh bever Ridge more like Sufferin's Season
two coming soon? Oh boy? Yeah, we are, we are.
This is the wicker Man. My name is Hank Kilgore.
Join as Always by James Crown.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Hello and a j.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I don't believe that's my name.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'm sorry. Hold on, I'm getting new information here. Join
as Always by zoombo woomba loo boom bamboozoom bomba boom bamboo. Yeah,
it must be a dialect thing.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
From the South, So I can't help you there. Uh.
Today's episode UH is spider Man Into the Spider Verse,
the twenty eighteen animated superhero film directed by Bob Percietti,
Peter Ramsey and Rodney Rothman UH and then released December fourteenth,
(03:30):
twenty eighteen, starring a killer cast of Shamik Moore as
Miles Morales, Jake Johnson Is, Peter B. Parker, Hayley's Nine Fellers,
Gotasy Mems Ali, Ryan Baby, Tom ands O grab Ander Boy,
Nicholas Cage, spider Man Noir pretty far down the list
incredible actors, one after the.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Other, stealing the limelight.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, this is kind of a funny one to do
because he's just he's so minimal to this movie. But
also like it does feel like though, because there's been
like one or two movies we just haven't done because
he's like maybe in it for like a scene or
a line, and.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We debated doing this one or not. Yeah, yeah, but
it does really hit when he's in it.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, Well he's so he is really and it's I
watched it last night again. I mean it's probably like
the twentieth time I've seen this movie. I love it,
but I really try to pay attention to him in it,
and I do some things I want to say, but
I want to check with you guys. Well, how do
y'all feel about this movie?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Ada?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Why don't you go first? I always go first.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I love this movie.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
This.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You know, in terms of how many movies I'd already
seen on this list when we started this great Journey,
this would have been towards the top, I'd probably seen
it like two or three times already knew I liked
this movie, and man, it never misses. This time was
just as good as I mean, it's a great movie.
(04:59):
It's it doesn't feel like a cage film because he's
not in it quite enough.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
But I mean, you could watch a whole series on
Spider Man Noir.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Oh you sure could.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I will, Yeah, I will.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
This is this is the glory of it.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
But yeah, for him to just have the role that
he had in this awesome movie, what a thrill start.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He really only further enhanced an already great movie.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I mean, for me, this is this is very
near a perfect movie. I love it. I loved it
the This is actually only the second time I've seen it.
I loved it the first time. I saw it. I
watched it half on the treadmill at the gym, which
I assume is the way it was meant to be watched. Yes, director, Yeah,
on your phone, sweating your ass off at the gym,
(05:55):
and then I watched it half on my TV. And
it's just it's so good. It's it's and Hank, I
say this with caution because I know you've worked on
quite a few Marvel movies, and I do want to
point out that this I kind of put in the
same bucket as is it Werewolves by Night? Is that
what it's called?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, where it feels like there's actually some passion behind
making this, and a lot of Marvel movies for me,
like historically, but especially in the last like ten five
to ten years, have just been so like devoid of
any kind of passion, and they just feel like you're
watching a bunch of people in front of a blue screen,
which essentially you are. So to have a movie, a
(06:38):
Spider Man movie, and I know I think this was sony,
but still it's all the same. But to have a
movie where the animation is so like cutting edge and
different from most of the other stuff you're seeing, I know,
Sony's not the same as Marvel, but I feel like
Sony's projects have been even shittier than Marvels. It's just
(06:59):
impress stand out. Yeah. So it's incredible. Yeah. So all
that to say, I love this movie and it was
it was an absolute delight to watch it again.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah. No, Yeah, this movie fucking slaps. It's they they
hit every beat perfectly. It's PG and and it works
for literally everyone. There's a there's something that I think
can hit well, whether it's about parents or friends, or
not fitting in or discovering yourself or a trillion different things. Yeah,
they they did it. They made it look easy, which
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this was clearly such a different I mean think I
think it took like four years to make this movie.
They had to literally create their own style of animation.
The way that they do this has never been done before,
which it's incredible. I remember reading, like after I saw
it when it came out in theaters, just just like
reading about how they did it. And I don't remember
too much from it, but I do recall that they
had to like pull in all kinds of old school
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retired animation veterans because it was hard for them to
find people in animation that are used to the Disney
Pixar style of like three D animation, and and they didn't.
They didn't even realize like at first how fucking difficult
it was going to be to do something like this,
and they nailed it. And I mean it's it's this
(08:14):
thing that looks like a yeah animated but like as
a movie, and.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I mean it's amazing too. Where there are moments in
the movie, like I always think about the scene where
he first I think it's when he first tries to jump.
Here if it's when he first tries to jump, or
he's getting away from the prowler but he falls and
he hits a sign and the letters fall off the sign,
and it just it actually feels like for a second
(08:41):
you are reading a comic book. You almost forget they
are watching something like it's it's spectacular.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And I think we'll be doing this sequel to this later,
even though Nick Cage is really actually barely.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
In he's not he's actually not in it at all
the sequel, which sucked.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But they you see him, but I don't think he
has a line in it, yeah, thing, which is unfortunate.
So we'll probably not do it. But I did want
to just point out because I don't think we'll be
doing that episode. The sequel I love very much. I
only saw it once, but like they took this form
of animation they started, and they really push it to
the next level. So like, just props to the the
people behind it, because like you were saying, this movie
(09:20):
is it's pure passion and it's really cool to see that,
especially for like the seventh Spider Man movie or whatever,
and not just introducing a whole new Spider Man, but
now all these billions of different ones, and like it's
so easy for this to get caught up in its
own thing. And actually I think that is an important
distinction between Sony and Marvel Studios, which are two completely
different companies. Yeah, like Sony has this catalog of all
(09:44):
Spider Man related things, and so they really went for
it and they.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
And this was this was before No Way Home.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Right correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is actually probably what
helped make that movie end up happening, I.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Would assume, which is is really cool too that an
animated film, and like I said, PG animated film could
spark you know, whether you liked it or not, it's
this great like nostalgia piece essentially of No Way Home,
and you get to see all these characters that you
wanted to see again in another Spider Man movie, and
(10:18):
it's all stemming from this animated but it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah. And and I also like, I think this movie,
you know, and and I had friends that worked on
No Way Home, and and it's a it's a really
fun good movie. But it's like this one, like when
you when I think of Spider Man, it's like after that.
Because I remember like whenever this was announced, I was
like not interested at all. Yeah, and then because I
was also like, oh, Sony whatever, they they kind of
lost their Spider Man way. But a buddy mind Michael
(10:42):
wanted to go see this. Uh. And it was just like
a random day. He's like, he you just want to
see the new Spider I was like, yeah, sure, so
we want to go see it. And I walked out
just like what the fuck, you know, like that was
like the best thing I've ever seen, and just being
genuinely stunned and impressed. Yeah, though it's it's it's yeah,
it's hard. It's hard to say too much because it's
just gushing at this point about this movie. But they
(11:03):
just did a great job and if you haven't seen it,
I couldn't recommend it more, even if you're not a
big animation fan, Like it is so unique.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
This is this is what like animation is for, you know,
bringing bringing a comic book and comic book style storytelling
to like full three D motion of whatever your imagination
can possibly create. And they had so much fun with it.
(11:34):
There was there were so many levels to it. You know,
they're self aware kind of to the right degree of
you know, throwing jabs at their own styles and their
own stories and the fact that every Spider Man thinks
he's the only Spider Man to ever Spider Man, like.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, I mean those those scenes of them going through
the well, let's do this one more time, like you know,
with all the origins. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And then even if it was like like the the
one when they do all three of them, yeah, and
then when they just like talk over each other over
and like they're over it and like it's great.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
It's very funny.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, because you don't want to listen to it like
three or four more times. So now they're doing like
three character mashup of it, and every time he thought
you knew what they were going to do. It was
like they took it to the next step and that
was so great. Yeah, okay, now we could see his
thoughts when he was thinking too loudly.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, yeah, I want to just get to Cage. You know,
he's plays Spider Man Noir, which is just a wild
poll and and what I what I noticed and perfect,
you know, Like what I noticed watching it last night
was like really listening into his voice, and after doing
so much of listening to this guy's voice over the
(12:54):
last four years, like he's so in it, and that
that can be said for every single act voice actor
in this film. They all were so good. But he
takes it so seriously and in such a good way.
And and his voice for like, he doesn't get like
a weird goofy Cage or he gets a little goofy,
but not like Crazy Cage. He takes it very very seriously.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Which he easily could have ruined the role I think
with Crazy Cage.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, you know, and just like the Yeah, but I
was just impressed. I was very happy to see especially
after like look at the last few movies we've watched
on this show, like just all the the crap that
we've had to go through and in the last few
years of this guy's career, and then to hear like
(13:43):
this performance ONNG, like even in this little bit that
he's in, it's like, yeah, you get this guy the
right material and he'll deliver, you know, any day. Uh
and and on that like we could you know, we
we kind of mentioned the end of the last show,
but because it's relevant, they just announced on Amazon, like
he had mentioned earlier, James, Yeah, they're doing a live
action Spider Man Noir show starring Nicholas Gage, which obviously
(14:04):
wouldn't have happened with Yeah, which is amazing. And it's like, yeah, there,
I'm so in I and I really hope it's good.
Obviously I'm gonna we'll see as more stuff comes out
about it. They only just announced it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, I'm trying. I'm looking at an article right now.
I can't tell you anything about when it might come
out or are a part of it, which was cool.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, And and Amazon has been slowly starting to put
some really good stuff out. They're they're finding their way,
and so you know, it's it's got every It's Cage
Spider Noir, don't fuck it up, you know, and either way,
it's just like, no matter what the movie is or
that the shows it being, I'm sure we're gonna love
it just because it's.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I'm gonna Superheroes. Yeah, that's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And also that we've only ever seen him in kick Ass, right,
like he's not in Superheroes. We lost him in Superman
and he's.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Also have not been in TV. So yeah, it's like
a good, good blending of both.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, so it should be unique. And it's all because
of this little movie. Yeah little, I mean like million
dollars before you're in the making project.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I think it's all because of us. Actually not because
of this movie.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I think our podcast with the cattaly is that made
this happen.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Email from Spreaker, which is what we use to host
our podcast, and it's just like you have so many listens,
you know, I'm just like, yes, this makes sense.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah, but as you can see it right, like when
you fire super colliders at each other, it rips the
space time continuing. So something that we could be doing
right now could have been playing out in culture for
the last.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Twenty years and they just don't know. What the spark is,
because the timeline.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Would be able to go into the wicker Verse if
we put a collider and then the three of us
like stuck our heads into it and like pulled all
the other Wickerman from from the grand multiverse and have
a have an ultimate Wickerman episode.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
That sounds like a horrible idea.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Could you imagine with nine hundred Hanks trying to do
an intro? I can't And then and then nine hundred
a js and James were like, God damn.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
It, Yeah, like that episode of I would just I
would be putting on my whole own musical play.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, the possibilities. You know how many cat hats we
would have.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I I want to give a little shout out to
John maliney as yah h what is it? Peter Porker.
I just think he's so funny.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I got bit by a radioactive pig.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The funniest thing in the whole movie to me is
when uh, they're all asking him can you do this?
Can you do this? Can you get down? Or can
you get up when you get knocked down? All this stuff,
and then he just goes, can you float like a
you know, can you float when you smell a pie.
I like that to me, just I laughed and laughed
and laughed at that line.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, they gets so sad one. And whenever they're all
in his bedroom and they're trying to hide from his
roommate and they're up on the you know, in the ceiling,
and in the roommate looks up and he sees all
these Spider Man and they're like, oh no, we didn't
want to freak him out. And then Spider Pig or
Hamm or whatever, he just goes can animals talk in
this universe? I don't want to freak him out.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Oh yeah, did you clip in the audio?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I didn't because, to be honest, I just didn't think
about it.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
He was on the treadmill for most of you.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
He's got Yeah, he's got great. He's got great.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I thought about getting lines too, But it's also like
it would just be all of them. Yeah, it's only
like maybe three minutes of actual speaking that he has. Yeah,
but I love like the little bit they do with
like they're just hanging out and they give him a
Rubik's Cube, but his whole world is black and white
and he can't see color, and so he's like he's
like is this purple? And they're like no, it's like
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is it green? Like no, He's like, I've better figure
this out, which is a good little gag that they
bring up later and you know, they do good with them.
I forget the exact words. He's like something like whenever
they are doing can you do this? Can you do this?
He's like, can you beat up a couple of Nazis?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
You know, like it's just great.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
He mentions that he like drinks like egg whites or
something at the at the at the local soda parlor
or some shit.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
It's great, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, but yeah, I don't know, man, I don't have
to say he's uh, just see this movie.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
You know, he's good movie podcasts or heart.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
It's like, well, when it's not about him, they were
doing a show, that's it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's like we've watched some really good movies, but it's not.
And then also, how do you I just don't know
how to talk about anatomy. I like we could get
into a serious discussion here, but I just, like Hank said,
I we're talking about cage. It's I do think this
is you know a great steph just taught me this
word and I forget. Is it a Bill Dung's Roman?
(19:19):
Is that what a coming of age tale is?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I'm sorry Bill bungs Roman, I.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Got I should pull her in for this, but I
get it. It is it's a it's a Bill dungs
that's a novel dealing with with a it's a coming
of age novel. So forgive me, God, forgive me on
that one. Well, we'll see about But I try to
get don't say that in try can't say that because
this is an excellent coming of age tale, But is
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that a discussion we want to have on here?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
That's the thing. And I also feel like, especially now
it's twenty twenty four, this movie came on twenty eighteen,
they already have the sequel out, they're working on the
third of the trilogy, and it's like, there's there's enough
talk of this movie when it comes to reviews, and
at this point people probably already have either seen it
or made their opinions on it, or just don't want
(20:08):
to see it. If you just have someone that just
never caught it, I, as we've said, like you can't
recommend it more. It's like it's a it's just a
really fucking good movie, and yeah, it's a Spider Man movie.
And if you're not really into the Marvel stuff or
superhero stuff, like, it's totally fine, Like, but I would
recommend if you're gonna want it's almost like a Guardans
(20:29):
of the Galaxy in a way where it's like it's
just sort of its own, really special thing made by
really passionate team. Uh, and that the difference shows like
immensely and it's worth seeing, you know. That's it. We
all love the movie.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Oh did you like the Rubiks cube bit? I thought
that was pretty funny that he actually solves it in
the end.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And becomes the king of his reality.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yes, exactly exactly, because he takes that rubicscube and he says,
I don't understand what this is, but I'm gonna figure
it out. Yeah, damn it. He does.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
He does how he kills Hitler, and he.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Does at the end of the movie, he's got it solved.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
No, he before he jumps in the portal, he goes,
I don't know this, but I will figure it out,
and he jumps away.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And then at the end of the movie they show
him one more time and he's got the solved.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Rubik's Cube what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I promise you where do they show it?
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I wonder if is what the show is going to
be about. It's the butterfly effects.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
That means him bringing artifacts from how he found it.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, back in the White World.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
It could be like, now Hank has me questioning everything.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, I'm confused. Find this Why you brought that up,
like like ten minutes after we already talked about the
Rubik's Cube.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I don't know, I full transparency. I was dealing with
an issue at work and uh and so I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Wow conversation, we already covered the cube.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, well, apologies on that, but I do promise you
that he solves it in the end.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Okay, because like another one of the things about this
movie is that you want to just like soak up
every little morsel, like the opening and ending credits are as,
the credits.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, and so, like I was just entranced. It was beautiful.
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It takes that space in a movie where people usually
just like try to set a tone or you know,
give you information, but like this was just the most
artistic way of communicating a little bit more bits of information.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I thought it was no, it's cover. And what's also
unique and what's so fascinating about animation general is like
every frame literally has to be thought of, every every
piece of it has to be designed. And you could
and not that this is a bad thing. You could
just like keep it simple and just yeah, tell your
story and do your thing. But it seems like these
people really took the every frame matters to heart and
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like made sure to make the most out of out
of their work within it, and it shows brilliantly. And
there's so many little running jokes like in the background
that are never spoken, you just see visually that they
follow up with on like everything just really tight. It's
a really tight.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
When James was talking about when he hits the sign,
like that was one of those where he hits the
sign and it wasn't letters, it was numbers. It was one,
two three four was the address of the hotel. And
when he hits one, two three four, they go spraying
and he lays in a like in a pile on
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the ground next to four and two and he the
spider was number forty two. That bid him like all
these little things.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Sneaky, sneak.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Well, the only reason I caught. It was because it's
forty two, which is like his.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Life to Jackie Robinson, Right, Jackie Robinson, I was, you know,
the author of the Checkers of Guide Galaxy books.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yes, yeah, did you like Stan Lee's cameo? Did we
discuss that yet? Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, stan one of his last gorgeous last few ones.
The suit always.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Fits for posterity here. But yes, was that? What was
his last one? Hank?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think it was.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Of course, you can't freaking screenshoot a movie.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It would have been like right after that you caake
a photo of it on your phone.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, I could have, just don't remember.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't know what his last one was. It must
say it must have been like the first movie of
like twenty nineteen or something.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, it was one. It was Madness and the Method.
What is that?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You know, Captain America?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
A Jay Silent Bob film? Come on, god?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Oh no, stan No.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well it wasn't that. I forget it. That doesn't matter,
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Anything is possible.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
But alas a j I feel like you had the
most to us say about this. Was there anything else
that was tackling your fancy that you want to talk about?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Well?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
You want I want to have a conversation about the
physics involved and what they're talking about lay it on us,
and how we have these super colliders in Switzerland that
are like doing this and you know this is a caricaturization.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
What could go wrong?
Speaker 4 (25:55):
But like, like how much of our reality is our
reality or base reality? Have things been changing very ever
so slightly about the multiverse right now?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
So do you believe do you believe in like the
Berenstein Bears effect, Like you know, people remember things differently?
Is that a memory issue or is that all effect
that is not? Is that whatever?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I mean essentially that's the same kind of thing we're
talking about here, is like, yeah, are little things that
seem unnoticeable off because certain parts of our reality have
been like displaced with another similar of guleans of layers,
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you know, is it is it getting incrementally a little
bit more different over time since these things were turned on?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Or do people just misremember? And that's truely, I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I think the beauty of the Internet is that, like
normally you would have just like written off your end
Kathy about you know the fact that she saw Sinda whatever,
You're just crazy, Yeah, but like there's enough people that
are all like corroborating certain things, where if you're getting
(27:30):
like twenty thousand people around the world all kind of
saying the same thing, I don't know, is that where
you decide to stick some merit and think, hey, maybe
somethings a little fishy going.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
It makes you think, Yeah, this movie made me think, oh,
look at this.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
So this is in the credits that it's actually it's
like right before the credits. It's when Miles is kind
of doing his little end montage and they show it.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Quick every other one and that nice. The movie's still
surprises to this day.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Isn't there another one after this where he's like standing
at a podium and it's on like a pedestal or something.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
There might be The only reason I know it's out
of the credits is because I didn't watch the credits. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
By the way, uh, while you were talking about the
possible multiverse, Stanley's last cameo was Avengers End Game.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It's it's because they filmed it back to back with
Infinity War and he's like driving in a car and
it's like when they're in like the seventies, I think,
and they yeah, yeah, yeah, screw you pigs or whatever
to the military.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Stanley, Can we talk for a second about how last
movie was the end Game? That is, it makes a
lot of sense. Yeah, but his cameos are great. Oh yeah,
like freaking Tarantino does cameos and he's just the worst
I've ever seen for ten minutes in a movie doing
an Australian accent. Yeah, terrible, stan Lee, though, I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
And he'll he'll like he'll do the bit like like
they do some stupid shit like like there's I think
it's like Guardians two or something. They have him just
like sitting in a spacesuit talking to a bunch of
like bald watchers on a planet and you know he's
one and thor Ragnarok where he's like an alien haircutter
with a hundred arms or some shit. It's just like hell, yeah, Dan,
good for you.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Well, don't forget too. He was in Teen Titans Go
to the Movies, that's right, Yeah, our second stan Lee project, and.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
They had a nice they had a nice little bit
of like can we do this yeah yeah right, which
is awesome, yeah yeah, which actually they had a moment
like that too. It's with Spider Pig, where like whenever
he jumps in the thing, he goes, that's all folks,
And like off camera you hear Jake Johnson go, is
you allowed to say that?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Can we do that? Wait?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
So do you think they're gonna use AI to keep
and Lee's cameos alive?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, I because they have it, And no they're not,
because Marvel already said that they're never gonna do that
for him.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, which is good. Oh my god, there's so many
goofs and gaps. Why are people doing this for this movie?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well, it's a goofy film full of funny gags.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It's so hard. But like it's so hard, We're not
gonna give this any more airtime than it deserves. No
goofs and gas, no gooules this episode. We're not doing
it because I refuse to talk about someone who is
saying that a shadow is off in a frame of
an animated movie that looks like this. You're gonna tell
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me there's a that looks incorrect.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
This is definitely gonna affect my rating.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I'm sorry, but yeah, I'm not. I just I can't
give any more to that. Just can't. I did want
to say though, it did win Best Animated Feature Film,
which was cool, Yes, and obviously very deserving.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yes, as it should. It's it's just it's just everything
that's uh, it's everything that makes the Spider Man character
slash world so good. Yes, put together in a really
well made package for something that on paper sounds like
it should have been a nightmare of a film. Yeah,
and they nailed it.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Which the the other thing too, is that nailed it.
Like the thing I always love about Spider Man until
you can debate, kind of like the last couple Tom hollibums,
but the steaks are always way lower than every every
single comic book movie. Now is saving the world, And
even in this one, his main objective is he thinks
(31:45):
everyone in Brooklyn's going to die. It's not a if
we open this up, you know, the whole world and
the whole universe is going to die. It's everyone that
is located in Brooklyn is going to die. And those
steaks are so much lower than you know, saving galaxies
and universes and or even just all of New York,
or even all of New York. Yeah, and it's great,
Like I just love that. I wish more comic book
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movies were like that. It allows them to be more
fun than having to be you know, super serious all
the time.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Totally, And that's that's and I mean, I will give
this to every Spider Man film, at least, I'm pretty
sure they're all like that, every single one of them.
And I will say, like the Tom Holland ones I
used to really like, I'm not so crazy about anymore,
but I will say they did such a good job
with like like the Vulture, like Michael Keaton. I think
the villains are the best part of those movies, yea,
(32:38):
and then like even villain, you know, Kingpin?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Uh do you think about Kingpin?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm actually not crazy about him in this one. He's
the one person that kind of takes me out of
it because he's a little too He's a little too
like I don't know if it's like goofy or he
just he just seems like too much of a caricature.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I think, Yeah, his his motivation was kind of odd
and yeah it was yeah, like you said, just kind
of a lovely Schreiber.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I don't think that was the right voice for him.
You know, it's it is hard. I mean, you can
really only compare to one other actor as far as
that goes, It is Vincent Anofrio, and his is so
goddamn good. But like, I'm not saying they need to
be the same thing, but it just felt like his
a little bit too. And this is funny to say
with like Cartoony when everyone else does take the roles
(33:30):
so seriously.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
In his Yeah, I mean you have the other two villains,
maherschel Ali and Catherine Hahn especially I thought were so amazing.
Oh yeah, I would love just give me all doc
oc Oh it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, fit you could have used her motive yeah, and
totally got rid of this guy.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
It was just kind of pathetic.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
A good point. You just maybe think A. J. James
was even even with as little screen time the villains
have in this obviously the Prowler getting the most, but
even between the Prowler and and Catherine Hans Octavius, you
see both sides of them as both people and as
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their villains and and like because a lot of her
stuff is in like the background, but it's all there,
and you see it as like a really good scientist
and fighting with Kingpin to get like her work done.
Is all she cares about and Kingpin. You only ever
see this over the top, goofy villain, and they try
because obviously the whole point of it is he's trying
to get his like his dead wife and kid back,
(34:33):
But it just never hit the same way as like
any other of the serious parts of this one.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, which I do wonder if we hadn't had Vincent
and Afrio, who you know, to me, that's one of
the great villain portrayals of all time and Daredevil and
I think he was a punisher too, you know, would
we like this a little bit more? Or if they
had used Vincent and Afrio's voice instead of leab Shriver's voice,
(35:01):
would I liked it more?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And I don't think it's going to affect I don't
think would affect my opinion, just because it's also so
different from that dark Daredevil for classic angry people, and
I would expect this one to be more slighthearted and fun.
I just don't think they balanced it well enough between
over the top and making it more relatable.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I think they just had too many villains, because like
they had a lot of Spider Man's right, and you
like you want to give time to all of the
Spider Man's to like make it make sense and make
it not cheesy. I feel like they developed those characters
enough to like where it was fun to play with,
but with the with the villains, like you have good
(35:49):
motives for doc Oc and the Prowler, yeah, and then
he's just like like over and over, which is.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
To Hank's pointing. But to Hank's point, I think the
or if it was you who said a AJ but
you get kind of the backstories of the doc Oc
and and Uncle Prowler character, but in a more subtle
way where you know, Kingpin, they're having to like tell
you here's my motivation, here's but to me take him
(36:24):
completely out of the picture, or even if there's like
a short scene where you're nervous because he's come in
from this other universe, you know whatever it is, because
there was no villains that came in from the other universe,
which I actually liked because it didn't muddle things up.
But I think if you just have doc Oc and
then you just have the Henchman and the Prowler, who
was amazing, Like I almost wanted more screen time on
(36:47):
that character, and you take away the fifth part I
totally agree with you.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
And maybe even Kingpin could just be the guy that
funds it all, you know, and the background is first thing.
But then just don't give a this full on you know,
like you can allude this is why he's doing it,
but without it constantly telling you just like to do
with the other characters. So I don't know, there's there's
there's ways around it. But that's also like, uh, that's
(37:13):
that's also coming. Like that's the only thing I can
say negatively about this film, and that doesn't really take
anything away from me, you know, like it's so fucking good,
and I do. I like his look. I like his design.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
He's just.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
It looks like Snorlax, you know, like it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
And then he's got this train hopping agility actually that
he's just.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
He's fucking ripped. But well, I mean, I guess if
we're not doing our goofs and gaffs and the potential,
I won't allow I guess, uh, we can just skip
ahead to a little sex. And I like to call
final thoughts and ratings, So uh uh, Jimmy's frozen right now,
(38:14):
we got him back, We got him?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Was I frozen?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
You're a little frozen.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Then I thought you guys were frozen.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I think you should just let it go.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I did, Okay, I did just get hit with my
internet connection was unstable, so apologies. I thought you were
really holding out the final thoughts, and.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
It is something I would. Yeah, it's fair.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
We'll go ahead and give us your final thoughts and ratings. Yeah,
I mean hundred cages. Okay, I said it earlier. I
this movie is it's nearly perfect for me. I think
maybe you lose a couple of points for Fisk, but
it's not not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I think this one is definitely way better than, or
not way better, but better to me than than The Seat.
But the sequel is still so good that it would
be in the high nineties as well. I gotta give
it a ninety eight. I think, well, we're rating it
out of cages.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Right, writing out of cages.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I'm still gonna give it a ninety probably, so yeah,
mark me out for a cool ninety eight. Great.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Actually, I'm just gonna mark that down all right.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Thank you, A J.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Well. I totally agree with your logic.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think I think Old Bowling Ball was maybe the
only thing about this movie that I would ever could
have changed. It is a near perfect movie. It was
so fun. It was like it made just like regular
dialogue fun and interesting because you could see it and
(39:56):
like people are playing.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
With what the words are doing on the screen.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Brilliant all the way around. Story performances. Our guy could
he use a little more cage, could use a little
less Kingpin. Uh, you're gonna give it a ninety six?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yes, okay, Yeah, it's amazing. Obviously everything we've said I
ever fucked it all. I would recommend it for children,
and I would recommend it for adults and even seniors.
Uh so about little tots, It gets difficult with the
little tots because they don't fully understand language. However, with
(40:40):
it being so visually pleasing, I think the little tots
can handle it too. I think they can have a
good time to seeing all the cool pictures and imagery.
So yeah, you know what, this is my first all
spectrum of human recommended, which is pretty incredible. You know,
(41:00):
congrats the Spider Verse for that. But yeah, it's a
fantastic film. I think it pulls everything that's great about
the Spider Man character out. I think it pulls everything
like into it I think it pulls everything that's great
about animation, everything that's great about filmmaking. It's it's a
it's a perfect it's a near perfect package. Yeah, there's
some things here and there, obviously agreed, but with Kingpin,
(41:23):
could it be better? Anything could be better, But I
think it's it's god damn wonderful. And I'm always down
to watch it pretty much. If it ever gets suggested,
I'm not gonna say no. So I also give it
a ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Okay, nice, Yeah, this movie rules.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, and I and and I do wish, of course
we had more cage, but hey, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
So with double ninety eight and a ninety six that
brings our composite score to ninety seven cages out of
one hundred, let's see where that puts us? Boys, that
puts us third.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
So we have Empires Kiss, which, of course, as everyone remembers,
was a one thirty three adaptation ninety eight, and then
Face Off and Spider Man into the Spider Verse title
ninety seven and a round out the top five for
those interested, Mom and Dad at ninety six. Yeah, what
a movie like The Surprise? Gotta watch it again? Yeah,
(42:19):
such a surprise hit.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
How amazing it was? Yeah, nice, it's pretty good. It's
it's it's funny too.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I think that's appropriate.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, yes, it's funny because it's also like good Ahead
are so cage heavy where this one isn't. But I
think that just goes to show how amazing this film is.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
I love how we are so respectful during final thoughts.
Marry a word said from any of us while the
other person's giving their final thoughts before and after we're
just talking over.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Well, it's final thoughts.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You got respect, the.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Ft, you got the pedestal.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Aj flease, what were you going to say?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I have no idea at this point.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Okay, okay, okay, Well that's that.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Spider Man into the Spider Verse, Spider heat Ecentric film. Jimmy,
what the heck are we watching? Next week?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
All right, next week we have a movie that based
on actually, let me send it to you boys right now.
What it looks like the IMDb photo here, both the
first shot of the trailer and the and the cover.
I am absolutely stoked for this one. This is called
(43:42):
a score to settle. This is an ex enforcer for
a local crime syndicate has vowed to enact retribution on
his mob bosses after nineteen years of wrongful imprisonment. The
only thing diverting is violent. I know, it's so good.
The only thing diverting is violent plans is a new
relationship to his beloved son. So this says Cage obviously.
(44:03):
Then you have Noah La Grosse, Mohammed Kareem, Benjamin Bratt,
Carolina Widra, and then the person I'm most excited for,
you have Cage's nephew, Francis Ford Coppola's son, Bailey Coppola,
playing a young Nicholas Cage in this one. He actually
looks a lot like him, and I would imagine that's
the only reason he got cast and the name, because
(44:25):
I just he's in three movies, so he's got to
be just terrible. But I've never even heard this movie.
I don't think no I have it either. I have
no idea where I'm gonna watch it, but.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
I'm here though. It's not rated, so oh, we could
get that. That shows some potential to me.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
You're talking A and T or T and A. We're
talking C and B potentially. I think we're talking a
little maybe a V in there. Oh my God, anything's possible.
Can we get some FP potentially full penetration.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Little DP in the sequel.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Eventually we got two scores to settle.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
You can stream it, oh god. It can be streamed
on a MC plus.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah what is that? Or AMC plus or hooplah, yeah, outrageous,
but you can.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
You can rent it on Apple TV for four bucks,
in Amazon for three fifty nine. All right, in a
few other spots. So this one, I'm excited to watch
this one. I'm definitely curious. All right, Well, we'll skeedtle,
we'll settle our scores. We'll scedtle our sores next week,
and uh, until then, we'll see you. In the Wicker Verse,
(45:52):
there was an old lady who followed a fly.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I don't know why you hold a fly, Papne
Hello, mess, I'm a lieutenant in the police department.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm in the middle of a homicide investigation. Try I
get my prescription please.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
The whole time is standing there with this whom.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Me expression on your face?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Have you ever been dragging to the sidewalk and being.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Tell you best blood?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
No man has spilt more blood in God's name than I.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How in the name of Zeus's buttle did you get
out of yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
What you really think? I let myself get killed in
a garbage truck? Ha?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, I hit in a soup can roll it all
the way to the city dump.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Because I was made for this super baby and I am.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
The care Uh jeez, how are we gonna make this one?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Boy?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You ever you ever see a spider on the street
and you're just like, man, oh man alive? That thing
is eight legs, eight legs. It must be able to
walk pretty parallel with itself, parallel universes. What is this
going into the spider verse? I'm kind of a spider man.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I actually was thinking about this. Can I give
it a try?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Okay? So I went home, and I was home about
a week or two ago. I actually saw aj while
I was home and Asia. I don't know if you
remember this, but when we had lunch together, my mom
started singing and she just decided randomly to start singing
this song I hadn't heard in a long time, and
she started.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
It was was.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
An old lady who swallowed a fly. I don't know
why she swallowed it. And I was like, Mom, can
you please stop? Can you just get into the spider
verse already?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Do you actually say that to your mom?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No? I just came up with that seconds ago. I
was trying to think of something.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Now, you know, I feel.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It feels, it feels terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Hold on, nurse, let me burst on this spider verse.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
All right, kickback, relax and grab yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
A bever Ridge, Oh bever Ridge more like Sufferin's Season
two coming soon? Oh boy? Yeah, we are, we are.
This is the wicker Man. My name is Hank Kilgore.
Join as Always by James Crown.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Hello and a j.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I don't believe that's my name.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'm sorry. Hold on, I'm getting new information here. Join
as Always by zoombo woomba loo boom bamboozoom bomba boom bamboo. Yeah,
it must be a dialect thing.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
From the South, So I can't help you there. Uh.
Today's episode UH is spider Man Into the Spider Verse,
the twenty eighteen animated superhero film directed by Bob Percietti,
Peter Ramsey and Rodney Rothman UH and then released December fourteenth,
(03:30):
twenty eighteen, starring a killer cast of Shamik Moore as
Miles Morales, Jake Johnson Is, Peter B. Parker, Hayley's Nine Fellers,
Gotasy Mems Ali, Ryan Baby, Tom ands O grab Ander Boy,
Nicholas Cage, spider Man Noir pretty far down the list
incredible actors, one after the.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Other, stealing the limelight.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, this is kind of a funny one to do
because he's just he's so minimal to this movie. But
also like it does feel like though, because there's been
like one or two movies we just haven't done because
he's like maybe in it for like a scene or
a line, and.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We debated doing this one or not. Yeah, yeah, but
it does really hit when he's in it.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, Well he's so he is really and it's I
watched it last night again. I mean it's probably like
the twentieth time I've seen this movie. I love it,
but I really try to pay attention to him in it,
and I do some things I want to say, but
I want to check with you guys. Well, how do
y'all feel about this movie?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Ada?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Why don't you go first? I always go first.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I love this movie.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
This.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You know, in terms of how many movies I'd already
seen on this list when we started this great Journey,
this would have been towards the top, I'd probably seen
it like two or three times already knew I liked
this movie, and man, it never misses. This time was
just as good as I mean, it's a great movie.
(04:59):
It's it doesn't feel like a cage film because he's
not in it quite enough.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
But I mean, you could watch a whole series on
Spider Man Noir.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Oh you sure could.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I will, Yeah, I will.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
This is this is the glory of it.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
But yeah, for him to just have the role that
he had in this awesome movie, what a thrill start.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He really only further enhanced an already great movie.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I mean, for me, this is this is very
near a perfect movie. I love it. I loved it
the This is actually only the second time I've seen it.
I loved it the first time. I saw it. I
watched it half on the treadmill at the gym, which
I assume is the way it was meant to be watched. Yes, director, Yeah,
on your phone, sweating your ass off at the gym,
(05:55):
and then I watched it half on my TV. And
it's just it's so good. It's it's and Hank, I
say this with caution because I know you've worked on
quite a few Marvel movies, and I do want to
point out that this I kind of put in the
same bucket as is it Werewolves by Night? Is that
what it's called?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, where it feels like there's actually some passion behind
making this, and a lot of Marvel movies for me,
like historically, but especially in the last like ten five
to ten years, have just been so like devoid of
any kind of passion, and they just feel like you're
watching a bunch of people in front of a blue screen,
which essentially you are. So to have a movie, a
(06:38):
Spider Man movie, and I know I think this was sony,
but still it's all the same. But to have a
movie where the animation is so like cutting edge and
different from most of the other stuff you're seeing, I know,
Sony's not the same as Marvel, but I feel like
Sony's projects have been even shittier than Marvels. It's just
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impress stand out. Yeah. So it's incredible. Yeah. So all
that to say, I love this movie and it was
it was an absolute delight to watch it again.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah. No, Yeah, this movie fucking slaps. It's they they
hit every beat perfectly. It's PG and and it works
for literally everyone. There's a there's something that I think
can hit well, whether it's about parents or friends, or
not fitting in or discovering yourself or a trillion different things. Yeah,
they they did it. They made it look easy, which
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this was clearly such a different I mean think I
think it took like four years to make this movie.
They had to literally create their own style of animation.
The way that they do this has never been done before,
which it's incredible. I remember reading, like after I saw
it when it came out in theaters, just just like
reading about how they did it. And I don't remember
too much from it, but I do recall that they
had to like pull in all kinds of old school
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retired animation veterans because it was hard for them to
find people in animation that are used to the Disney
Pixar style of like three D animation, and and they didn't.
They didn't even realize like at first how fucking difficult
it was going to be to do something like this,
and they nailed it. And I mean it's it's this
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thing that looks like a yeah animated but like as
a movie, and.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I mean it's amazing too. Where there are moments in
the movie, like I always think about the scene where
he first I think it's when he first tries to jump.
Here if it's when he first tries to jump, or
he's getting away from the prowler but he falls and
he hits a sign and the letters fall off the sign,
and it just it actually feels like for a second
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you are reading a comic book. You almost forget they
are watching something like it's it's spectacular.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And I think we'll be doing this sequel to this later,
even though Nick Cage is really actually barely.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
In he's not he's actually not in it at all
the sequel, which sucked.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But they you see him, but I don't think he
has a line in it, yeah, thing, which is unfortunate.
So we'll probably not do it. But I did want
to just point out because I don't think we'll be
doing that episode. The sequel I love very much. I
only saw it once, but like they took this form
of animation they started, and they really push it to
the next level. So like, just props to the the
people behind it, because like you were saying, this movie
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is it's pure passion and it's really cool to see that,
especially for like the seventh Spider Man movie or whatever,
and not just introducing a whole new Spider Man, but
now all these billions of different ones, and like it's
so easy for this to get caught up in its
own thing. And actually I think that is an important
distinction between Sony and Marvel Studios, which are two completely
different companies. Yeah, like Sony has this catalog of all
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Spider Man related things, and so they really went for
it and they.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
And this was this was before No Way Home.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Right correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is actually probably what
helped make that movie end up happening, I.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Would assume, which is is really cool too that an
animated film, and like I said, PG animated film could
spark you know, whether you liked it or not, it's
this great like nostalgia piece essentially of No Way Home,
and you get to see all these characters that you
wanted to see again in another Spider Man movie, and
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it's all stemming from this animated but it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah. And and I also like, I think this movie,
you know, and and I had friends that worked on
No Way Home, and and it's a it's a really
fun good movie. But it's like this one, like when
you when I think of Spider Man, it's like after that.
Because I remember like whenever this was announced, I was
like not interested at all. Yeah, and then because I
was also like, oh, Sony whatever, they they kind of
lost their Spider Man way. But a buddy mind Michael
(10:42):
wanted to go see this. Uh. And it was just like
a random day. He's like, he you just want to
see the new Spider I was like, yeah, sure, so
we want to go see it. And I walked out
just like what the fuck, you know, like that was
like the best thing I've ever seen, and just being
genuinely stunned and impressed. Yeah, though it's it's it's yeah,
it's hard. It's hard to say too much because it's
just gushing at this point about this movie. But they
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just did a great job and if you haven't seen it,
I couldn't recommend it more, even if you're not a
big animation fan, Like it is so unique.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
This is this is what like animation is for, you know,
bringing bringing a comic book and comic book style storytelling
to like full three D motion of whatever your imagination
can possibly create. And they had so much fun with it.
(11:34):
There was there were so many levels to it. You know,
they're self aware kind of to the right degree of
you know, throwing jabs at their own styles and their
own stories and the fact that every Spider Man thinks
he's the only Spider Man to ever Spider Man, like.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, I mean those those scenes of them going through
the well, let's do this one more time, like you know,
with all the origins. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And then even if it was like like the the
one when they do all three of them, yeah, and
then when they just like talk over each other over
and like they're over it and like it's great.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
It's very funny.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, because you don't want to listen to it like
three or four more times. So now they're doing like
three character mashup of it, and every time he thought
you knew what they were going to do. It was
like they took it to the next step and that
was so great. Yeah, okay, now we could see his
thoughts when he was thinking too loudly.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, yeah, I want to just get to Cage. You know,
he's plays Spider Man Noir, which is just a wild
poll and and what I what I noticed and perfect,
you know, Like what I noticed watching it last night
was like really listening into his voice, and after doing
so much of listening to this guy's voice over the
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last four years, like he's so in it, and that
that can be said for every single act voice actor
in this film. They all were so good. But he
takes it so seriously and in such a good way.
And and his voice for like, he doesn't get like
a weird goofy Cage or he gets a little goofy,
but not like Crazy Cage. He takes it very very seriously.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Which he easily could have ruined the role I think
with Crazy Cage.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, you know, and just like the Yeah, but I
was just impressed. I was very happy to see especially
after like look at the last few movies we've watched
on this show, like just all the the crap that
we've had to go through and in the last few
years of this guy's career, and then to hear like
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this performance ONNG, like even in this little bit that
he's in, it's like, yeah, you get this guy the
right material and he'll deliver, you know, any day. Uh
and and on that like we could you know, we
we kind of mentioned the end of the last show,
but because it's relevant, they just announced on Amazon, like
he had mentioned earlier, James, Yeah, they're doing a live
action Spider Man Noir show starring Nicholas Gage, which obviously
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wouldn't have happened with Yeah, which is amazing. And it's like, yeah, there,
I'm so in I and I really hope it's good.
Obviously I'm gonna we'll see as more stuff comes out
about it. They only just announced it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, I'm trying. I'm looking at an article right now.
I can't tell you anything about when it might come
out or are a part of it, which was cool.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, And and Amazon has been slowly starting to put
some really good stuff out. They're they're finding their way,
and so you know, it's it's got every It's Cage
Spider Noir, don't fuck it up, you know, and either way,
it's just like, no matter what the movie is or
that the shows it being, I'm sure we're gonna love
it just because it's.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I'm gonna Superheroes. Yeah, that's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And also that we've only ever seen him in kick Ass, right,
like he's not in Superheroes. We lost him in Superman
and he's.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Also have not been in TV. So yeah, it's like
a good, good blending of both.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, so it should be unique. And it's all because
of this little movie. Yeah little, I mean like million
dollars before you're in the making project.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I think it's all because of us. Actually not because
of this movie.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I think our podcast with the cattaly is that made
this happen.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Email from Spreaker, which is what we use to host
our podcast, and it's just like you have so many listens,
you know, I'm just like, yes, this makes sense.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah, but as you can see it right, like when
you fire super colliders at each other, it rips the
space time continuing. So something that we could be doing
right now could have been playing out in culture for
the last.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Twenty years and they just don't know. What the spark is,
because the timeline.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Would be able to go into the wicker Verse if
we put a collider and then the three of us
like stuck our heads into it and like pulled all
the other Wickerman from from the grand multiverse and have
a have an ultimate Wickerman episode.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
That sounds like a horrible idea.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Could you imagine with nine hundred Hanks trying to do
an intro? I can't And then and then nine hundred
a js and James were like, God damn.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
It, Yeah, like that episode of I would just I
would be putting on my whole own musical play.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, the possibilities. You know how many cat hats we
would have.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I I want to give a little shout out to
John maliney as yah h what is it? Peter Porker.
I just think he's so funny.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I got bit by a radioactive pig.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The funniest thing in the whole movie to me is
when uh, they're all asking him can you do this?
Can you do this? Can you get down? Or can
you get up when you get knocked down? All this stuff,
and then he just goes, can you float like a
you know, can you float when you smell a pie.
I like that to me, just I laughed and laughed
and laughed at that line.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, they gets so sad one. And whenever they're all
in his bedroom and they're trying to hide from his
roommate and they're up on the you know, in the ceiling,
and in the roommate looks up and he sees all
these Spider Man and they're like, oh no, we didn't
want to freak him out. And then Spider Pig or
Hamm or whatever, he just goes can animals talk in
this universe? I don't want to freak him out.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Oh yeah, did you clip in the audio?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I didn't because, to be honest, I just didn't think
about it.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
He was on the treadmill for most of you.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
He's got Yeah, he's got great. He's got great.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I thought about getting lines too, But it's also like
it would just be all of them. Yeah, it's only
like maybe three minutes of actual speaking that he has. Yeah,
but I love like the little bit they do with
like they're just hanging out and they give him a
Rubik's Cube, but his whole world is black and white
and he can't see color, and so he's like he's
like is this purple? And they're like no, it's like
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is it green? Like no, He's like, I've better figure
this out, which is a good little gag that they
bring up later and you know, they do good with them.
I forget the exact words. He's like something like whenever
they are doing can you do this? Can you do this?
He's like, can you beat up a couple of Nazis?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
You know, like it's just great.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
He mentions that he like drinks like egg whites or
something at the at the at the local soda parlor
or some shit.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
It's great, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, but yeah, I don't know, man, I don't have
to say he's uh, just see this movie.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
You know, he's good movie podcasts or heart.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
It's like, well, when it's not about him, they were
doing a show, that's it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's like we've watched some really good movies, but it's not.
And then also, how do you I just don't know
how to talk about anatomy. I like we could get
into a serious discussion here, but I just, like Hank said,
I we're talking about cage. It's I do think this
is you know a great steph just taught me this
word and I forget. Is it a Bill Dung's Roman?
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Is that what a coming of age tale is?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I'm sorry Bill bungs Roman, I.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Got I should pull her in for this, but I
get it. It is it's a it's a Bill dungs
that's a novel dealing with with a it's a coming
of age novel. So forgive me, God, forgive me on
that one. Well, we'll see about But I try to
get don't say that in try can't say that because
this is an excellent coming of age tale, But is
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that a discussion we want to have on here?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
That's the thing. And I also feel like, especially now
it's twenty twenty four, this movie came on twenty eighteen,
they already have the sequel out, they're working on the
third of the trilogy, and it's like, there's there's enough
talk of this movie when it comes to reviews, and
at this point people probably already have either seen it
or made their opinions on it, or just don't want
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to see it. If you just have someone that just
never caught it, I, as we've said, like you can't
recommend it more. It's like it's a it's just a
really fucking good movie, and yeah, it's a Spider Man movie.
And if you're not really into the Marvel stuff or
superhero stuff, like, it's totally fine, Like, but I would
recommend if you're gonna want it's almost like a Guardans
(20:29):
of the Galaxy in a way where it's like it's
just sort of its own, really special thing made by
really passionate team. Uh, and that the difference shows like
immensely and it's worth seeing, you know. That's it. We
all love the movie.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Oh did you like the Rubiks cube bit? I thought
that was pretty funny that he actually solves it in
the end.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And becomes the king of his reality.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yes, exactly exactly, because he takes that rubicscube and he says,
I don't understand what this is, but I'm gonna figure
it out. Yeah, damn it. He does.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
He does how he kills Hitler, and he.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Does at the end of the movie, he's got it solved.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
No, he before he jumps in the portal, he goes,
I don't know this, but I will figure it out,
and he jumps away.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And then at the end of the movie they show
him one more time and he's got the solved.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Rubik's Cube what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I promise you where do they show it?
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I wonder if is what the show is going to
be about. It's the butterfly effects.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
That means him bringing artifacts from how he found it.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, back in the White World.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
It could be like, now Hank has me questioning everything.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, I'm confused. Find this Why you brought that up,
like like ten minutes after we already talked about the
Rubik's Cube.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I don't know, I full transparency. I was dealing with
an issue at work and uh and so I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Wow conversation, we already covered the cube.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, well, apologies on that, but I do promise you
that he solves it in the end.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Okay, because like another one of the things about this
movie is that you want to just like soak up
every little morsel, like the opening and ending credits are as,
the credits.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, and so, like I was just entranced. It was beautiful.
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It takes that space in a movie where people usually
just like try to set a tone or you know,
give you information, but like this was just the most
artistic way of communicating a little bit more bits of information.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I thought it was no, it's cover. And what's also
unique and what's so fascinating about animation general is like
every frame literally has to be thought of, every every
piece of it has to be designed. And you could
and not that this is a bad thing. You could
just like keep it simple and just yeah, tell your
story and do your thing. But it seems like these
people really took the every frame matters to heart and
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like made sure to make the most out of out
of their work within it, and it shows brilliantly. And
there's so many little running jokes like in the background
that are never spoken, you just see visually that they
follow up with on like everything just really tight. It's
a really tight.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
When James was talking about when he hits the sign,
like that was one of those where he hits the
sign and it wasn't letters, it was numbers. It was one,
two three four was the address of the hotel. And
when he hits one, two three four, they go spraying
and he lays in a like in a pile on
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the ground next to four and two and he the
spider was number forty two. That bid him like all
these little things.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Sneaky, sneak.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Well, the only reason I caught. It was because it's
forty two, which is like his.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Life to Jackie Robinson, Right, Jackie Robinson, I was, you know,
the author of the Checkers of Guide Galaxy books.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yes, yeah, did you like Stan Lee's cameo? Did we
discuss that yet? Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, stan one of his last gorgeous last few ones.
The suit always.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Fits for posterity here. But yes, was that? What was
his last one? Hank?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think it was.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Of course, you can't freaking screenshoot a movie.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It would have been like right after that you caake
a photo of it on your phone.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, I could have, just don't remember.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't know what his last one was. It must
say it must have been like the first movie of
like twenty nineteen or something.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, it was one. It was Madness and the Method.
What is that?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You know, Captain America?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
A Jay Silent Bob film? Come on, god?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Oh no, stan No.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well it wasn't that. I forget it. That doesn't matter,
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Anything is possible.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
But alas a j I feel like you had the
most to us say about this. Was there anything else
that was tackling your fancy that you want to talk about?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Well?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
You want I want to have a conversation about the
physics involved and what they're talking about lay it on us,
and how we have these super colliders in Switzerland that
are like doing this and you know this is a caricaturization.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
What could go wrong?
Speaker 4 (25:55):
But like, like how much of our reality is our
reality or base reality? Have things been changing very ever
so slightly about the multiverse right now?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
So do you believe do you believe in like the
Berenstein Bears effect, Like you know, people remember things differently?
Is that a memory issue or is that all effect
that is not? Is that whatever?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I mean essentially that's the same kind of thing we're
talking about here, is like, yeah, are little things that
seem unnoticeable off because certain parts of our reality have
been like displaced with another similar of guleans of layers,
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you know, is it is it getting incrementally a little
bit more different over time since these things were turned on?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Or do people just misremember? And that's truely, I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I think the beauty of the Internet is that, like
normally you would have just like written off your end
Kathy about you know the fact that she saw Sinda whatever,
You're just crazy, Yeah, but like there's enough people that
are all like corroborating certain things, where if you're getting
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like twenty thousand people around the world all kind of
saying the same thing, I don't know, is that where
you decide to stick some merit and think, hey, maybe
somethings a little fishy going.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
It makes you think, Yeah, this movie made me think, oh,
look at this.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
So this is in the credits that it's actually it's
like right before the credits. It's when Miles is kind
of doing his little end montage and they show it.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Quick every other one and that nice. The movie's still
surprises to this day.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Isn't there another one after this where he's like standing
at a podium and it's on like a pedestal or something.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
There might be The only reason I know it's out
of the credits is because I didn't watch the credits. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
By the way, uh, while you were talking about the
possible multiverse, Stanley's last cameo was Avengers End Game.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It's it's because they filmed it back to back with
Infinity War and he's like driving in a car and
it's like when they're in like the seventies, I think,
and they yeah, yeah, yeah, screw you pigs or whatever
to the military.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Stanley, Can we talk for a second about how last
movie was the end Game? That is, it makes a
lot of sense. Yeah, but his cameos are great. Oh yeah,
like freaking Tarantino does cameos and he's just the worst
I've ever seen for ten minutes in a movie doing
an Australian accent. Yeah, terrible, stan Lee, though, I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
And he'll he'll like he'll do the bit like like
they do some stupid shit like like there's I think
it's like Guardians two or something. They have him just
like sitting in a spacesuit talking to a bunch of
like bald watchers on a planet and you know he's
one and thor Ragnarok where he's like an alien haircutter
with a hundred arms or some shit. It's just like hell, yeah, Dan,
good for you.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Well, don't forget too. He was in Teen Titans Go
to the Movies, that's right, Yeah, our second stan Lee project, and.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
They had a nice they had a nice little bit
of like can we do this yeah yeah right, which
is awesome, yeah yeah, which actually they had a moment
like that too. It's with Spider Pig, where like whenever
he jumps in the thing, he goes, that's all folks,
And like off camera you hear Jake Johnson go, is
you allowed to say that?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Can we do that? Wait?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
So do you think they're gonna use AI to keep
and Lee's cameos alive?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, I because they have it, And no they're not,
because Marvel already said that they're never gonna do that
for him.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, which is good. Oh my god, there's so many
goofs and gaps. Why are people doing this for this movie?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well, it's a goofy film full of funny gags.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It's so hard. But like it's so hard, We're not
gonna give this any more airtime than it deserves. No
goofs and gas, no gooules this episode. We're not doing
it because I refuse to talk about someone who is
saying that a shadow is off in a frame of
an animated movie that looks like this. You're gonna tell
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me there's a that looks incorrect.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
This is definitely gonna affect my rating.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I'm sorry, but yeah, I'm not. I just I can't
give any more to that. Just can't. I did want
to say though, it did win Best Animated Feature Film,
which was cool, Yes, and obviously very deserving.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yes, as it should. It's it's just it's just everything
that's uh, it's everything that makes the Spider Man character
slash world so good. Yes, put together in a really
well made package for something that on paper sounds like
it should have been a nightmare of a film. Yeah,
and they nailed it.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Which the the other thing too, is that nailed it.
Like the thing I always love about Spider Man until
you can debate, kind of like the last couple Tom hollibums,
but the steaks are always way lower than every every
single comic book movie. Now is saving the world, And
even in this one, his main objective is he thinks
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everyone in Brooklyn's going to die. It's not a if
we open this up, you know, the whole world and
the whole universe is going to die. It's everyone that
is located in Brooklyn is going to die. And those
steaks are so much lower than you know, saving galaxies
and universes and or even just all of New York,
or even all of New York. Yeah, and it's great,
Like I just love that. I wish more comic book
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movies were like that. It allows them to be more
fun than having to be you know, super serious all
the time.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Totally, And that's that's and I mean, I will give
this to every Spider Man film, at least, I'm pretty
sure they're all like that, every single one of them.
And I will say, like the Tom Holland ones I
used to really like, I'm not so crazy about anymore,
but I will say they did such a good job
with like like the Vulture, like Michael Keaton. I think
the villains are the best part of those movies, yea,
(32:38):
and then like even villain, you know, Kingpin?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Uh do you think about Kingpin?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm actually not crazy about him in this one. He's
the one person that kind of takes me out of
it because he's a little too He's a little too
like I don't know if it's like goofy or he
just he just seems like too much of a caricature.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I think, Yeah, his his motivation was kind of odd
and yeah it was yeah, like you said, just kind
of a lovely Schreiber.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I don't think that was the right voice for him.
You know, it's it is hard. I mean, you can
really only compare to one other actor as far as
that goes, It is Vincent Anofrio, and his is so
goddamn good. But like, I'm not saying they need to
be the same thing, but it just felt like his
a little bit too. And this is funny to say
with like Cartoony when everyone else does take the roles
(33:30):
so seriously.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
In his Yeah, I mean you have the other two villains,
maherschel Ali and Catherine Hahn especially I thought were so amazing.
Oh yeah, I would love just give me all doc
oc Oh it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, fit you could have used her motive yeah, and
totally got rid of this guy.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
It was just kind of pathetic.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
A good point. You just maybe think A. J. James
was even even with as little screen time the villains
have in this obviously the Prowler getting the most, but
even between the Prowler and and Catherine Hans Octavius, you
see both sides of them as both people and as
(34:12):
their villains and and like because a lot of her
stuff is in like the background, but it's all there,
and you see it as like a really good scientist
and fighting with Kingpin to get like her work done.
Is all she cares about and Kingpin. You only ever
see this over the top, goofy villain, and they try
because obviously the whole point of it is he's trying
to get his like his dead wife and kid back,
(34:33):
But it just never hit the same way as like
any other of the serious parts of this one.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, which I do wonder if we hadn't had Vincent
and Afrio, who you know, to me, that's one of
the great villain portrayals of all time and Daredevil and
I think he was a punisher too, you know, would
we like this a little bit more? Or if they
had used Vincent and Afrio's voice instead of leab Shriver's voice,
(35:01):
would I liked it more?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And I don't think it's going to affect I don't
think would affect my opinion, just because it's also so
different from that dark Daredevil for classic angry people, and
I would expect this one to be more slighthearted and fun.
I just don't think they balanced it well enough between
over the top and making it more relatable.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I think they just had too many villains, because like
they had a lot of Spider Man's right, and you
like you want to give time to all of the
Spider Man's to like make it make sense and make
it not cheesy. I feel like they developed those characters
enough to like where it was fun to play with,
but with the with the villains, like you have good
(35:49):
motives for doc Oc and the Prowler, yeah, and then
he's just like like over and over, which is.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
To Hank's pointing. But to Hank's point, I think the
or if it was you who said a AJ but
you get kind of the backstories of the doc Oc
and and Uncle Prowler character, but in a more subtle
way where you know, Kingpin, they're having to like tell
you here's my motivation, here's but to me take him
(36:24):
completely out of the picture, or even if there's like
a short scene where you're nervous because he's come in
from this other universe, you know whatever it is, because
there was no villains that came in from the other universe,
which I actually liked because it didn't muddle things up.
But I think if you just have doc Oc and
then you just have the Henchman and the Prowler, who
was amazing, Like I almost wanted more screen time on
(36:47):
that character, and you take away the fifth part I
totally agree with you.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
And maybe even Kingpin could just be the guy that
funds it all, you know, and the background is first thing.
But then just don't give a this full on you know,
like you can allude this is why he's doing it,
but without it constantly telling you just like to do
with the other characters. So I don't know, there's there's
there's ways around it. But that's also like, uh, that's
(37:13):
that's also coming. Like that's the only thing I can
say negatively about this film, and that doesn't really take
anything away from me, you know, like it's so fucking good,
and I do. I like his look. I like his design.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
He's just.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
It looks like Snorlax, you know, like it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
And then he's got this train hopping agility actually that
he's just.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
He's fucking ripped. But well, I mean, I guess if
we're not doing our goofs and gaffs and the potential,
I won't allow I guess, uh, we can just skip
ahead to a little sex. And I like to call
final thoughts and ratings, So uh uh, Jimmy's frozen right now,
(38:14):
we got him back, We got him?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Was I frozen?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
You're a little frozen.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Then I thought you guys were frozen.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I think you should just let it go.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I did, Okay, I did just get hit with my
internet connection was unstable, so apologies. I thought you were
really holding out the final thoughts, and.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
It is something I would. Yeah, it's fair.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
We'll go ahead and give us your final thoughts and ratings. Yeah,
I mean hundred cages. Okay, I said it earlier. I
this movie is it's nearly perfect for me. I think
maybe you lose a couple of points for Fisk, but
it's not not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I think this one is definitely way better than, or
not way better, but better to me than than The Seat.
But the sequel is still so good that it would
be in the high nineties as well. I gotta give
it a ninety eight. I think, well, we're rating it
out of cages.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Right, writing out of cages.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I'm still gonna give it a ninety probably, so yeah,
mark me out for a cool ninety eight. Great.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Actually, I'm just gonna mark that down all right.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Thank you, A J.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Well. I totally agree with your logic.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think I think Old Bowling Ball was maybe the
only thing about this movie that I would ever could
have changed. It is a near perfect movie. It was
so fun. It was like it made just like regular
dialogue fun and interesting because you could see it and
(39:56):
like people are playing.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
With what the words are doing on the screen.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Brilliant all the way around. Story performances. Our guy could
he use a little more cage, could use a little
less Kingpin. Uh, you're gonna give it a ninety six?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yes, okay, Yeah, it's amazing. Obviously everything we've said I
ever fucked it all. I would recommend it for children,
and I would recommend it for adults and even seniors.
Uh so about little tots, It gets difficult with the
little tots because they don't fully understand language. However, with
(40:40):
it being so visually pleasing, I think the little tots
can handle it too. I think they can have a
good time to seeing all the cool pictures and imagery.
So yeah, you know what, this is my first all
spectrum of human recommended, which is pretty incredible. You know,
(41:00):
congrats the Spider Verse for that. But yeah, it's a
fantastic film. I think it pulls everything that's great about
the Spider Man character out. I think it pulls everything
like into it I think it pulls everything that's great
about animation, everything that's great about filmmaking. It's it's a
it's a perfect it's a near perfect package. Yeah, there's
some things here and there, obviously agreed, but with Kingpin,
(41:23):
could it be better? Anything could be better, But I
think it's it's god damn wonderful. And I'm always down
to watch it pretty much. If it ever gets suggested,
I'm not gonna say no. So I also give it
a ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Okay, nice, Yeah, this movie rules.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, and I and and I do wish, of course
we had more cage, but hey, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
So with double ninety eight and a ninety six that
brings our composite score to ninety seven cages out of
one hundred, let's see where that puts us? Boys, that
puts us third.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
So we have Empires Kiss, which, of course, as everyone remembers,
was a one thirty three adaptation ninety eight, and then
Face Off and Spider Man into the Spider Verse title
ninety seven and a round out the top five for
those interested, Mom and Dad at ninety six. Yeah, what
a movie like The Surprise? Gotta watch it again? Yeah,
(42:19):
such a surprise hit.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
How amazing it was? Yeah, nice, it's pretty good. It's
it's it's funny too.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I think that's appropriate.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, yes, it's funny because it's also like good Ahead
are so cage heavy where this one isn't. But I
think that just goes to show how amazing this film is.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
I love how we are so respectful during final thoughts.
Marry a word said from any of us while the
other person's giving their final thoughts before and after we're
just talking over.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Well, it's final thoughts.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You got respect, the.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Ft, you got the pedestal.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Aj flease, what were you going to say?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I have no idea at this point.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Okay, okay, okay, Well that's that.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Spider Man into the Spider Verse, Spider heat Ecentric film. Jimmy,
what the heck are we watching? Next week?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
All right, next week we have a movie that based
on actually, let me send it to you boys right now.
What it looks like the IMDb photo here, both the
first shot of the trailer and the and the cover.
I am absolutely stoked for this one. This is called
(43:42):
a score to settle. This is an ex enforcer for
a local crime syndicate has vowed to enact retribution on
his mob bosses after nineteen years of wrongful imprisonment. The
only thing diverting is violent. I know, it's so good.
The only thing diverting is violent plans is a new
relationship to his beloved son. So this says Cage obviously.
(44:03):
Then you have Noah La Grosse, Mohammed Kareem, Benjamin Bratt,
Carolina Widra, and then the person I'm most excited for,
you have Cage's nephew, Francis Ford Coppola's son, Bailey Coppola,
playing a young Nicholas Cage in this one. He actually
looks a lot like him, and I would imagine that's
the only reason he got cast and the name, because
(44:25):
I just he's in three movies, so he's got to
be just terrible. But I've never even heard this movie.
I don't think no I have it either. I have
no idea where I'm gonna watch it, but.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
I'm here though. It's not rated, so oh, we could
get that. That shows some potential to me.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
You're talking A and T or T and A. We're
talking C and B potentially. I think we're talking a
little maybe a V in there. Oh my God, anything's possible.
Can we get some FP potentially full penetration.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Little DP in the sequel.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Eventually we got two scores to settle.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
You can stream it, oh god. It can be streamed
on a MC plus.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah what is that? Or AMC plus or hooplah, yeah, outrageous,
but you can.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
You can rent it on Apple TV for four bucks,
in Amazon for three fifty nine. All right, in a
few other spots. So this one, I'm excited to watch
this one. I'm definitely curious. All right, Well, we'll skeedtle,
we'll settle our scores. We'll scedtle our sores next week,
and uh, until then, we'll see you. In the Wicker Verse,
(45:52):
there was an old lady who followed a fly.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I don't know why you hold a fly, Papne
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