Ep. 86 - "A Score to Settle" (2019)

It's time to SETTLE THE SCOOOOORE! BRAISE THE BEEF! FIND OUT WHO IS AND WHO IS NOT REAAAAAAL! AHHHH IT'S THE WICKER MEN, BABYYYYY!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, mess. I'm a lieutenant in the police department.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm in the middle of a homicide investigation. Try to
get my prescription please.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
The whole time is standing there with this whom me
expression on your face.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Have you ever been dragging to the sidewalk and being.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
To you best blood?

Speaker 4 (00:25):
No man has spilt more blood in God's name than I.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
How in the name of Zeus's buttle did you get
out of yourself?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
What you really think?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I let myself get killed in a garbage truck?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Ha well, I hit in a soup, can roll it
all the way to the city dump because I was
made for this super baby.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
And I am the cat.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Uh down it down that ice down?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Nice?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Nice?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Actually, yeah, don't hurt yourself. Don't hurt yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Oh boy, it's the Wickerman. We're back and we have
a score to settle with all those fools out there
that aren't listening to the show. Uh yeah, Wickerman, that's us.
I mean Kogore Joint is always by James Grounge, Hey

(01:45):
and a j Pan.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Happy to be Hello, Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Another episode. It's so dumb every week it gets me
every time.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
My classic line, I just.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's no I know, whatever you do, it's always that.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Something like, Yeah, they don't call me this caapman for nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's a good point. That's a good point, and it's
also not for what you think.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Uh speaking, we.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
Watched Cleaning Ladies. We're probably talking.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
About Hey, how about this Caapman's boy Rich?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, I actually really hurt my chest. I hit
because you slammed your.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
He bunched yourself real hard. That just made me think
of it always sunny when Dennis is married to Marine Ponderosa.
It's like beating yourself and then Mac is like, oh, dude,
I've seen this. Dude, I see this. She's gonna play
it on you. We watched The Score to Settle, directed

(03:10):
by Sean Ku released in August second, twenty nineteen. Put
us in twenty nineteen, but funny enough August.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, that is, he did seven teen movies in twenty eighteen.
You haven't waited till August.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
He had to take a break. He needed he needs
some time off either.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Hey guys, we're we're closing in on where Nick Cage
was that in his career. Yeh, we began the podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I know I'm hesitant to add to the interesting hesitant
to add to the Google doc until we hit it.
We've only got five more movies.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Wow, where it was when we begin That's.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Kind of while what a milestone.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
And also kind of crazy to think that since we started, like,
since you made that list, he's probably had like fifteen.
I think about it so many.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I was talking to one of my coworkers about it
the other day and they said something that actually really
hit me hard. I was like, yeah, you know, we're
eighty five movies in or whatever. I think this eighty
six maybe. I was like, and yeah, he's he's got
you know, about one hundred and fourteen, so we're almost there.
And goes, oh, so you're you're three forces of the
way done. It's like, yeah, I guess. I guess we're

(04:27):
only about three fourths of the way.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Make a fucking sprintsheet, nerd.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Not hit. I thought, it just feels like we're almost
donned well, and so it feels like we'll never be finished.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
That's the thing though. Also, let's let's say, you know,
we're not going to few out finally, but let's say
we end up making another six month break. I was
gonna put out like eight more films.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
I can't even think about that. We have to keep recording.
We just have to keep.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Uh. So this movie starts Nick Cage as our lead
Frank Carver.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
And then Noah la Grosse who plays this son, Joey Carver. Uh,
you got Carolina. We draw Widaw, we draw a Simone.
Mohammed Kareem is Jimmy the Dragon. That's your name now.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
The Dragon.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Benjamin Brat is cute Ian Tracy's tank. And then in
a in a short lived moments, we had Bailey Coppola
as young Frank who James, as you mentioned at the
end of our last episode, that is Francis Ford Coppola's son,
his nephew, right, who plays a young Hymn which actually
in the like two minutes screen time he had, I

(05:36):
was like, he definitely looks like him, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
He was fine, Yeah, and he kind of got down.
Is He did enough in that role that made me
think he's not a good actor, but he can act
as Nick Cage pretty.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, which is what you need for this if if
you're playing that.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
I totally forgot that was his nephew when the movie
started and I was like, oh wow, this guy for
this guy has really kind of steadied his manners.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
They spent three hundred dollars d aging Nicholas Cage.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I mean, like the voice was totally off, but the
physicality of his acting was was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Kid. I just want to say that, I know we
haven't gotten into our first thoughts or whatever, but Hay
brought up the d aging thing. The aging in movies
ninety nine percent of the time looks so so, so bad,
and I would much rather just have this where it's
like you said, hey, he didn't totally look like him
or sound like him, but he studied him enough to

(06:39):
you know, be able to do the role. He's in
it for two minutes. And I would so much rather
see that and then just have that kind of you know,
cut to the older.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Cage way way cheaper. Yes, just get an actors, just
get an act work in visual effects, and it is
way way cheaper. It's just it's completely.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Take out of the movie to go, oh, look at
that smooth Robert de Niro.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Right, yeah, yeah, you know, and it's like and it's like, okay,
there's like some people would argue, we might spend a
lot of money, you know, daging, and but also we
might have to spend a lot of money getting like
a really good actor to be this person like you
don't have. It depends on the movie, of course, it
depends on how important, Like a movie like this, it's
it's like five minutes maybe of where you see this

(07:28):
guy who plays young yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well the flip side, right, it would be would be
Looper where they cast uh yeah and Joseph Gordon Levitt
to be a young Bruce Willis. They could have looked
or acted any different exactly the day.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know, there's a little words great to be done,
you know by the casting department.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, but yeah, it's it's and the text come a
long way, but it is just like it's just a lot.
It's a lot. And the hardest thing for me though
is more of like like my go to example since
you're talking about it, is always like Captain Marvel with
Samuel Jackson, who like it looks good, like he looks
like a young sam Jackson, and that's probably one of

(08:13):
the better like times for de aging. But the problem
is as soon as like he's supposed to be like
a thirty year old and like he's fighting and throwing punches. Yes,
but when it's actually Sam Jack. It just looks like
this old man who could barely r, you know, and
then you got to get a stunt double to like
play the person for the bigger scenes, and it's just
it's all just well.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
It's it's like the Irishman when when Robert playing and
that's like the worst example of old Robert de Niro
and goes to kurbs the guy and it takes some
ten minutes to walk from the door to the curb.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
And he's supposed to be like he's supposed to be
like twenty two.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's outrageous. The man, I can't the most arthritic twenty
two year old you've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, they got they got they got
it in the family. They got Copola in here.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
And that's subtle and it's just scored.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's been a score to settle with Jimmy and the Dragon.
But yeah, totally yeah, Okay, Well what did y'all? What
did y'all think of this film?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I actually really liked it, Okay, I I really enjoyed it.
I think it had Yeah, yeah, it had a lot
of great cage in it. There are some massive, massive,
massive issues with this movie, which we'll get into I
think it has arguably the worst twist that we've seen
on this podcast to date. But I think I just

(09:38):
had fun watching it. I think I thought it was
going to be so bad that and it ended up
being in the like kind of cage movie that I
like to watch and like to watch with people where
it's just fun and stupid, and I thought it was
gonna be just kind of boring. So yeah, I had
a pretty good time with this movie. I gotta say, what.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Will you are, Jane?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, my my expectations were in the gutter. And you
can usually tell, you know, with a lot of these movies,
like the opening credits, not the opening credits, but like
the title screens for the studios that are making it,

(10:21):
Like well.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
There was about twenty five in this as we say, yeah,
which one which production company?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Never Well, but I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Like with higher production movies, like first of all, you'll
probably see a studio that you recognize, Yeah, and even
if you don't, like, you know, you probably won't even
pay attention to it because it's kind of like exciting
or whatever it is. But like when it's not even
animated and it's just like a static title slide, static

(10:51):
title slide and they're just images. It's like, oh.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
No, you're getting into But you know this, this movie,
it didn't need any effects.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
It didn't need anything, you know, fancy bell. It was
just toy and you know.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
In fact, so many lack of frills they didn't even
bother to get it raided by the NBA.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's honestly my perfect movie, and not because it's something
like disgusting crazy, There there anything.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, uh, you know, yeah, it exceeded my initial expectations.
It was a pretty fun ride and we'll get into
you know, parts of the ridiculousness, uh shortly.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah. I found it boring but harmless, you know, like
I found it pretty boring. Uh. I was surprised by
how much of a drama it actually was, just like
at least in the middle section, and like when he
gets out of prison and like like playing all the like, uh,
probably very cheap to get country music while they're driving

(12:06):
through in the taxi and all this stuff, and I'm like,
this is not the typical action kind of like it
feels like actually trying to make more of a drama,
which I thought was a cool idea, but then it
just goes straight to Yeah, action and then back.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
It was just all over the place, so many, so many,
so many plot issues with this film, and just weirdness
that went on through it, no doubt, But yeah, I
don't know. I just thought it was kind of boring.
I liked the guy that played his son, actually, and
then I I mostly liked the guy that played the concierge.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I thought he was insane.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Is one of the worst actions I know, but I liked.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I like him, and then when I found out the twist,
I was like, I like him even more.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
So, did you?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Guys? I thought the twist was was I knew exactly
what was gonna happen the second she's like, you're you're
subject to hallucinations with your insomnia.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
No, I actually didn't get No, I really it got me.
And that was actually one of the redeeming things to
me about the film. I was like, oh, that was
actually pretty good because I thought, unlike a lot of
movies that do that, where like, the choice is the
sun's dead the whole time and he's been talking to
a ghost, and yeah, they do set it up around
the bat he has he has a deadly form of insomnia.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, that gets him out of a life sentence in prisons.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
And the whole thing is that he just seems to sleep,
and so is he just not slept in nineteen years?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, it doesn't make.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Sense getting progressively worse, you know. But now it's kind
to the point where it's terminal.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
But if you're a terminal, but it's not terminal because
if you're a terminal, like if you have cancer, if
you have terminal cancer, they'll let you out of prison
because you only have six months to live or whatever.
And it's why die in a prison? This man could?
She the doctor seemed to set up that he'd be fine.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
And they gave him. They gave him h.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, that's the roof the rape drug. That's the first president.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yes, yes, both.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
When his son sees it, he's like, oh, they gave
you the good stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, his son who's a drug addict and gets killed
by Q who takes over the crime syndicate that Frankie
worked for. Uh, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Don't know. It was just dumb.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I mean, yeah, they said that shouldn't They set it
up obviously that he's hallucinations, But I thought they unlike
most movies that have the dumb. They were dead the
whole time. Twist. I liked that at least they tried
a little more because like they had him like shopping
with them in public and like seeing him try and
watch his put stuff on. And there's like some of
the giveaways where like they buy like the fancy sports

(15:04):
car and he buys it for the sun and the
sun is like, no, Dad, you take it for the
first spins, Like okay, But I thought the fact too nice.
They had like they did like a FaceTime call together
and like, oh, he's actually interacting with the world. So
it got to me, which it is hallucinations. I think
that's just a bad just technical part. Like I think
it's just them not really going all out. And I

(15:24):
don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I thought the thing for me was less is that
he gets out of jail and he's walking down this
dark Oh yeah, that road weird and then his son
is just there and I was like, oh, yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Wait, I wanted to ask. I don't know if anyone
know the answer to this. Did they just release prisoners
at midnight?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
No, but every single cage.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, yeah, Like it's I feel like it'd be like
in the morning, you're gonna be released. Not a fucking
two am. Get the fuck out. That is, even though
you have money for a taxi, we're also not going
to call you one. Just lea.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, so he brought into prison with him or or
did he pick this up at the shed he went to.
I'm not sure he brought it to him prison. He
brought four hundred and fifty thousand dollars away the money
baseball bat, the money, just the ball, just the bloody
baseball bat, and then the money.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
He had a bag full of bats that he made
in prison.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
But where did he get the bloody bat?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I thought that? Okay, okay, so they think.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
They think this man murdered someone with a baseball bat,
and they allow him in prison to just continue to
make more baseball bats and then release him on in
some it's crazy with a bag full of bats with
why why was that a plot pack that he was
making baseball bat?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Also also yeah, wait, hold on that too. We're releasing
a man with multiple weapons that he's pinned, you know,
for having murdered someone with and we're aware that he
has active hallucination.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, we're giving him this man that we think murdered
someone with a baseball bat we're giving him forty of
these lethal weapons as he leaves prison. He's just allowed
to take him the middle of the night. Insane.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, but it is silly because Okay, so they released
him at one am and he's walking down the road
and that's where I first see like his son, grown
up Joey, And it is really weird because like Joey's
just walks out of the shadows and we don't know
how far they need to get going. Oh, and he's
just like, don't have your car and he's like, yeah,

(17:47):
I so wanted to settle my drug debts. And then
he goes, that's okay, I'm glad we could walk. And
so then Joey, I guess after who knows how long
he walks now it's to turn around. I guess they're
just walking.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
That's what I'm saying. The second that happened, I was like, Oh,
he's dead. This guy doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
You're you're sharper than me. I didn't get that. I
just thought it was dumb.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, well, especially because then the next scene they're in
a taxi together, but it's now broad daylight, so it's like,
did they walk seven seven hours?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, taxi at seven am.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Hilarious.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's so.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I got very pissed off at the end of the
movie because all of a sudden it was like, oh,
the Sun's dead, and I'm like, I didn't see him die,
Like did they cut that part of the movie, Like
what the I must have missed the part that explained
that it was a hallucination. What was that?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, that was the grave. So he's because he's saying
goodbye to his wife at the graveyard and his wife's
gravestone that has her name is far over and tire
as it can be on the grip.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
When so.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
And then and then he you know, he puts the
flowers down, and then this is the twit. Then he
takes a step over and you see Joey Carfee or
whatever their name is, and and then you see Joey
Carver appears. I think it is Carvy. Hold on, it's Carver.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
But yeah, exchange where he was like, Hey, if you
don't give up this revenge, like you could just say
goodbye to me, and he's like, yeah, I'm not going
to give it up. And so I told him he
was just leaving him cold turkey at the at the cemetery,

(19:56):
and I was like, oh, damn.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
No, that's when the twist happens.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, okay, Well.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
So my issue with the end of the movie is
the plot point that so he's mad the whole movie
at this guy Max, who killed who is the one
who actually killed someone with the baseball.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
He was the crime leader from what I.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Could tell, though he wasn't. He was just a rich
guy that was like funding this crime syndicate. He didn't
seem to be too involved until he then killed someone
with a baseball bat. I couldn't really tell what the
Max relationship was.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
No. I think it was like because it opens up,
you know, and this this is how they open up
to set up Frank two is a baseball lover. Is
He's like teaching the leader how to hit a baseball,
you know, hey, square up, you know, and you see
him take a couple of swings, and then the camera
pans and we see that, oh, we have a guy there.
I don't know, he just love the classic tropes, you know.

(20:50):
He turns the radio on, rolls his sleeves up, and
he's just ready to beat the ship out of this guy.
But uh, your your audio's out. I think.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, we don't. We don't hear.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
James, We don't hear your pal.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
That was a pretty that was a pretty nice little
way to open the movie with that camera pan. You're like, oh,
it's not some friendly baseball thing, like, yeah, it was
ecusing device, which happens to be happens to be so good.
He's just been pelting this guy.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
He's even throwing a ball up and just sucking it
into him.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
For so long. Yeah, but we don't know what James.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
And stuff figured out. But no, but he was the
leader in life, you know, and and like what happens
to is the supporting like all the goons around him,
you know. For like he throws one of the baseballs
and then like flies outside of the warehouse they're in,
and so they're like, oh, boss.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
We'll go get it twenty bucks.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
The fends it first, and so they all end up leaving,
and as soon as they walk back in, Max is
just beating the ship out of this guy. Uh. And
that's what leads to like this guy, you know, they
murder whoever this we don't really know. It's like some
rat or something that they were like, you know, interrogating who.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Has a great lawyer by the way, who has a
great lawyer.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, you gotta hear me. Now, by the way, there
you are.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Because Max says, all right, you got to take the
fall for this. Well, I'll give you half a million
dollars if you take five years of jail time. Yeah,
but no, we're brutally murdering someone in cold blood. You
get nine years.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
No, you get like you get insomnia.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah. Wellna.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
So this was my This was my problem stemming off
of that that I was going to say is at
the end of the movie, Cage is so mad at
Max because he thinks he neglected what he promised. He
was going to mad. He's mad Max Baby, but he
thinks he needed with duties to take care of Joey
Carr or his son. And then he finds out that

(22:55):
Max got a stroke exactly six years ago, and it's
so died exactly five years and three hundred and sixty
four days ago. It was like one day, it seemed
like one day after Max had the stroke, his buddy
Q just killed his son. It was I was like
it was.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
In charge now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Like Cage just gives up. He's like, oh, you you
actually held up your bargain. It was the second you
had a stroke. My son died. Yeah, why did they
kill the son?

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I know they explain it. He explained it whenever, whenever
they're shooting the bridal party. Yeah, when Cage just lost
its mind, you know that that. Yeah, he took too
many drugs and threatened to go tell the police everything
the crime sin the kid has done. If it don't
give him money for more drugs. And so you gotta

(23:46):
take care of the business, Frank, you took it for
life in prison for the business. You would have done
the same thing to me, which I like when Q
says that because that implies that he would have killed
his daughter, who's right by about to get Yeah, in
front of crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
How did you guys watch this movie?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
By the way, it on Apple TV?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Okay, aj h.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I rented it on Amazon Prime okay.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
So did you guys have weird like cut scenes that
looked like you were going to commercial?

Speaker 1 (24:19):
No? Non the movie would okay.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
AMC Plus is the worst streaming service to ever exist.
I signed up for their free trial eight ninety nine
a month. No ads, right, no ads? So you're paying
nine dollars a month for all the AMC shows with
no ad in seeing that anyone would pay that. But
in the movie there are these long fade to black pauses,

(24:47):
as if you're going to commercial, they just play that.
I don't get the commercials, but I still get the
fucking commercial break interruption.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
There's a scene company Boo.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
There's a scene where they go and they get that
baseball card and Cage, I guess, gets all the money
from his old shit and he comes back and he's
talking to his son, and the son's like, all right,
what's next? And then it cuts to black, and all
of a sudden, the whole tone of the movie shifts.
So as soon as it cut to black, I for

(25:22):
sure thought I signed up for the one with ads
because you get this three minute like music video slash
commercial montage of Cage driving around sticking his head out
a million b roll shots. So so what am I watching?
It was like it opening credits, but it also just
felt like a Sealis commercial whole thing.

Speaker 8 (25:43):
Yeah, yeah, it was crazy, but yeah, yeah, that's that
means that they literally an AMC plus because there's literally
like uh TV edits of these movies, yes in there,
so that's the one that they uploaded and they just uploaded.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
The TV edit, which that aside, though the montage of
the actual film still felt like a commercial.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Right, well that's what I was saying earlier. That's when
they got like the cheap country music and like it's
just them looking at how beautiful. I'm like, and without
that weird fade out, it just is a normal mortar say,
it's just a cut to it, but it's it's like,
is this a like a drama, like a family drama.
It's about a man reconnecting with his son, you know,
Like that's what I thought it was gonna be. There's

(26:27):
no violence until like an hour in, so I'm just like,
maybe that's just what this is.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Age in this montage is so whimsical and dreamy and
just like he's got his head out of the car
window and the winds blow and he's just like a
couple of dogs. Revenge, revenge, And that's.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
What's so weird. So they set him up coming out
of this prison like he's over it and like happy
to just be like, oh my godling a bed for
the first you know time in years, and eating a
nice meal and dressing in nice clothing and get a
nice hotel like enjoying life and then immediately all right,
trying to load up, just goes and buys an art.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, that's part of the problem, right when you're trying
to trying to make it a twist that the son's dead,
is that you have to make it seem like, oh,
maybe he is kind of just happy to be reunited
with his son and on the outside. But so it's like,
I guess you're they're trying. They're really trying to trick,
trick the audience right into thinking, man, he's blowing his

(27:34):
shot with his but but he Okay, So here was
the other thing with the Sun is this scene and
let me let me play the audio here because it
just it really tickled me. It's it's not the greatest
clip I've ever had, but the uh when Cage gets
back from his first night out that Hank's talking about,

(27:55):
where he goes and he meets up with Q I think,
and then goes and buys the guns. Yeah, and he
comes back to the hotel room and he just he
can't find his son and then ensuing seventeen seconds of
this Joey Joey, Joey, Joey.

Speaker 9 (28:23):
Joey, Joey, Joey Dad.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
It's so good, it's so aggressive.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
But when the sun comes back in, his eyes are
so sunken into the back of his head and he's
got the biggest bags under his eyes where it's clear
either he's dead or he's using again, right, And it's like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Clean, Dad, look at my eyes. I'm clean. I'm clean.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I'm clean, but you're not clean anyway. I love that
clip audio.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, yeah, that was like, that's what you see. The
dad is totally unhinged because he's how quick just starts
screaming this guy's names. Also, how much stuff can Cage
get away with in this fucking hotel without anyone calling
the police, let alone the fact that, yeah, it's astounding.

(29:16):
Also it's like, okay, you you got you got four
hundred and fifty thousand dollars for taking the hit, You
get out of prison, you get your money back, you
immediately blow it on like a week and a half. Like,
let's let's say he didn't actually go like settle the score,
you know, like he just was gonna blow through that
money and then.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
What yeah I guess.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, yeah, I guess so. But at one point there's
a you know, they they're walking in and they're at
the they're having a dinner, and he Cage looks over
and sees just like this gorgeous woman, uh with this
old man, And Joey's like, uh, by the way, I
don't like to think of Joey as a hallucination. I
like to think of Joey as a spirit.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah. I actually agree with.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
By side with him trying to guide him gently mixed
in with Cage's manic mind loss.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
But he's looking over and then Joey's like, hey, dad,
someone as old as he could pull a chick like that.
You can't do.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
And He's like, no, that could be your grandfather.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
There maybe ten years apart. Also, wait, also, am I
let's I want to break something down because I know
I need help on this. Okay, young Coppola, what's his?
What's is? I want to get Bailey? Bailey Copola, Bailey, Yeah,
that's Frankito. Frankie is like twenty one years old. Whenever

(30:50):
they are whenever this goes down and gets arrested. She
has been in prison for nineteen years. And he comes
out as like a like a fifty eight years old man,
like a man he's supposed to be like forty means
out right.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
He must have gotten it. He must have been in
his thirties.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I think I can't remember what it was about that
whole thing where it seemed like he didn't end up
going to jail for like years after the guy got
beat to death with the baseball bat. Yeah, it didn't
seem like it was that night, which, by the way,
they set up right from the start, they set Q

(31:36):
up as the shady character who looks like he's going
to double cross Cage, so you think maybe he's gonna
be the one that that sends him to jail or
like he's some kind of or something. And then so
then when you meet him again later, it's like, obviously
this guy's gonna fucking set him up at some point
in this movie, and he does. So maybe I'm just
a really intuned movie watcher, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, that must be.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
You're really on it for those fifteen percent.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Exactly. So, Hey, when you uh, you brought it up
that Cage meets this lady of the night y, Yeah,
and he gives her many many an orgasm you know
very well.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Of course he's the greatest, he's the best sex she's
ever had in.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
The best sex she's ever had. Yeah, this disgruntled mania.
But so after that he comes home that night and
uh or the next morning, and the Sun's asking him
about it and Cage isn't saying anything, and he goes,
first time you make mercury in nineteen years and you
won't tell her?

Speaker 1 (32:44):
What does that mean? Mercury? Is? How many times in
this movie is somebody tell Cage, hey, welcome to the
twenty first century?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, so as if he's been in prison for like
eighty years, which would they explained?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Is hey? Also?

Speaker 1 (33:04):
How many times in this movie do you think, like,
does a conversation between Cage and the person end and
then they turn around and then Cage.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Goes, wait, yeah, he's like Columbo. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
He never leaves it alone, like learn when it's overdue.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
So ca Cage doesn't only talk in this movie. No,
there's a beautiful scene which apparently he learned to play
piano for where he sings, would would you guys like
to hear it?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yes? I love I like it the first time one
and a half hours ago. Why would I not like
it again?

Speaker 2 (33:39):
So it's a little bit long, but it's it's worth it.
But uh yeah, he's in I guess is he in
Q's bar?

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I think this is when he's talking to Q.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
He's in Q's closed bar because CU's surprised to see him,
and he just he just starts riffing And like I said,
it's a little long, but it's it's worth it.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Always chasing rain bo Walchan class drifting by.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Schemes are just.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Like all my dreams and the sky song fellows looking
find the sunshine, always looking to find.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
The ring.

Speaker 10 (34:33):
Chance of that song with Lorraine at your wedding.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
She thought it was a happy song that happened to you.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
I was just taking care of Luisin.

Speaker 10 (34:43):
Frank, Frank Frank, all of the guys that we came
up with that didn't get killed. They're all smart enough
enough to know when it was time to get out
that game of gangshit that we used to play us
for kids, okay, and we are not kids anymore.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
I'm not playing anymore either.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Believe me.

Speaker 10 (34:58):
They deserve what they got coming, no question about it.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Change is it really worth it?

Speaker 3 (35:05):
We're gonna change anything, but a little will change the fact.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
And I'm the only one that got screwed.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
And what if you get killed first.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
It's such a beautiful moment in the movie. It feels
like a stage play they're having, like a duet.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Let me go back and ask you something you said
before that he learned how to play piano, he learned how.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
To go ding listen, I really tell me. I don't know.
I wasn't in his brain, but apparently he wonta learned
for that movie. That is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
It was beautiful, and I like when he just talk
to him in a sing song voice.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, so good.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, it is fun watching. Like for me, definitely, I'm
more exciting the second half, or maybe the last forty
five minutes, because that's when Cage just like he doesn't
get like crazy Cage to this movie, but he just
his character becomes unhinged and just like really starts to
like the whole terminal insomnia thing starts to take its place.
You know. I like to go over the scene. This

(36:09):
is definitely my favorite scene in the movie, where it's
between him getting the concierge to write down every daycare
center around Well, no, actually, okay, here's how the scene.
Let's walk through it. Here's how this scene starts at
his luxury hotel and he's like Joey and there's a

(36:32):
cleaning lady and the cleaner was like, oh my god.
And then he's like, oh oh my me keep clean.
And then he turns around and he sees this like
kid concierge and he's just like, get over here, kid,
and he's like, yes, sir, what can I do for you?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Sir?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
He goes how do these phones work? He has this
guy walk him through, and the guy he's so kind
about it. He's like an Apple genius guy, you know.
He's like, okay, sir, well, if you want to go
back to like a call that you would have found before,
you would go to this. And then this, oh it
doesn't look you have any numbers. He's called me with
his face. Okay, why did this go back? I think

(37:07):
he's walking him through. It doesn't find him further proof
that this kid isn't real, dad whatever. But then he's
like wait, wait, wait, which which.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Which, by the way, begs the question how did Cage
know that FaceTime existed?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Well?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
That's what that's why I That's where I'm like, well,
he must have been real because he had a face call.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I don't know. Then, in classic fashion of Frankie in
the concert, it's like, well, thank you very much, sir,
and walks away.

Speaker 9 (37:33):
He goes, yeah, thanks, Hey, wait uh you know this
he can get to the internet, right, He's like yes again,
He's like, can you go on there and find every
day care center in the city, no, in the state.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
He goes, oh, sir, I don't know. You're like, give
you five hundred bucks. It's like, okay, I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I believe in there too. Cage drops an egg. Excellent,
he does.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
He does.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
The kid goes and sits on the couch and sits
down on the couch. This is all like like one scene.
He says on the couch, Cage pours just a fucking
bottle of whiskey and just goes, you know, I'm gonna die.
Wore kid is right there like yeah, terminal, terminal insomnia.
You know it's gonna kill me.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Then you hear a knock on the door. It's Simone,
or so we think, because he had set up a
dinner date with her before, but he completely forgot about
it because he's just been busy killing people and losing
his mind over the last few hours. He's like, well, shit, Simone,
I didn't I forgot about our dinner. Come back clearly
already on a hinge without opening the door.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yep, opens the door.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
She walks in. It's not actually Simone, but she's like,
you can call me Simone and he goes, no, no, no, no,
I asked for Simone. And she's like, don't be so aggressive.
Pour me a drink. Let's have some fun. And he goes, listen,
you phony fucking bitch, and then she well, fuck you
asked you. Get the fuck out of my house. It's
a hotel. Kid is still there writing all this down.

(39:06):
Then the pimp comes in and he goes, hey, my girls,
you're trying to mess with our stuff, attacks him, cage
flips the gun on him, pulls him down. He's about
to blow his fucking brains out. Does he shoot him?
I'm thinking of Jimmy the Dragon Show. He just like
beat yeah, he beats of ship, throws him out while
the kid is still writing down all these names. And
then he throws the kid five hundred bucks and says thanks,

(39:28):
and they all leave.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
It's a it's a truly amazing scene.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
It's a wind.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
I got a little distracted in the middle there because
I wanted to look up what how old that kid was?
He look, he looks about appropriate age. His name is
Chase Sander. Do you know what his character name is.
It's Bell Hoped Benjamin.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Bell, Benjamin. I love Benjamin. He was.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Kid.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
He was so good.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Don't play.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
And what's really great about it he.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Watched he watched this, you know, and he's just like,
I'm gonna take my money and get you that much.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
And he's good at his job because he as he
runs in terror down the hallway, he also picks up
one of the serving trays on his way out from he.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Does.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
So, Bell, Benjamin, this one's for you.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, I really like Jimmy the Dragon, right, he was
Every scene he was in felt like it was part
of like a velocopasta type movie. It didn't look shot
in the same universe as the rest of ye. Yeah,
like that shootout scene is outrageously bad. Outside the yeah

(40:50):
you keep saying, but.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I don't know it.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Take care, Yeah, all right, you know what, I'll give
it to you. And right right outside the daycare they
have the shootout Jimmy the Dragon and Frank Carver and
it is so you almost have like the cartoon noises
that guns make and shootouts and the background. Aja, you

(41:18):
kind of nodded when I said it, the background looks crazy, right,
like it doesn't look to be of the same universe
as the rest of this movie.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
I would when you said that, I was thinking of
the first time he comes up on Jimmy the Dragon
when he's getting his massage.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, true, yeah, And it.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Was yeah, there was something as you that was I
didn't really notice. I noticed something, but I didn't know
what it was until you said that. I was like, oh, yeah,
that scene was shot differently somehow.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
It was almost like it was almost like they didn't
have the actor for Jimmy the Dragon, and they said, Cage,
why don't you just shoot all this stuff and then
we'll just add someone with a green screen later. Like
it was so hot and it just.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Looked super cheap and flimsy and just like and like
there were some bullet holes on like the sign of
the place, but they looked like it looked like they
were like from a fucking gatling gun or something.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
There's there's a yeah, there's a c G I cut
in there where Yeah, like what Hank's saying it didn't.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
It's just all the guns in this movie looked ridiculous.
The guns looked and Cage had this like oozy with
a silencer on it, and it looked terrible, horrible, like
a space ray. We're gonna say something couldn't.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Tell I'm tab I. Uh yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Got one one more thing we got to talk about, well,
two more things. One was that Cage has this night
with this lady of the night and uh, it's magical
for her, it's magical for him, and then he just
gives her all of his money and her kid's name

(43:07):
happens to be Joey. That I hated that enough with that.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I like though when it was Joey and he just
immediately tears up and goes, of.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Course, yeah, of course, yeah, he probably hallucinated that that
boy was. Yeah, anyway he means, he mean the grown child.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
That's fine, you're.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Saying his problematic things with this movie, I don't.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
No frills, no problem. Definitely not.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
In that that hotel room that it broke down when
when Trip the pimp comes in and he's like he's
like I asked for Simon and this is her Like
like Trip is like, hey, man, what's the matter the
simone you new didn't want to see you any more?
And he was no, I know she did, and he goes, no,
she was scared of you, so like whenever I believe

(44:07):
so like whenever it goes back, like he gives her
one hundred fifty thousand, like she's probably fucking terrified.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Well I was.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I was confused too, because it seemed like they filmed
her home outside of like some daycare facility. It didn't
look like a home. So then when she's pushing this
grown boy in a stroller, what is going on with
the scene.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
The tyler didn't show up to set that day, so that.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
To use a twelve year.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Yeah, I didn't notice that either. It was weird when
the kid goes hi, yeah, she's just been a yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
It could have easily have just been her boyfriend, so
how old that boy was.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Right? But that was actually that was tripped the pimp.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
I mean to she's scared of him, and yeah, she's
like telling him things that she doesn't tell her clients.
She was she was scared of what her real name is.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
From his big old dick.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Well, that didn't make sense, right because at the end,
when he drops her off. First of all, if you
were scared of this guy, you wouldn't have him drive
you to your home. Secondly, Secondly, like you said, at
the end of the day, after he said all this,
do you want to go out and I'll take you
to dinner and not through the service like conceivably that
could have been what scared her. But then she leaves

(45:38):
the car and tells him her real name. Like you said,
it doesn't something doesn't drive here.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
But even after that, she says, you still do need
to pay me. Yeah, it's very confused all around. Where
the line is with this one?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
But yeah, anyway, she got one hundred and fifty thousand
and she took it.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
So the only other thing I would be absolutely remiss
if we didn't get to I have two more pieces
of audio, but one we don't have to play. The
other one we do. Uh he talks about it. It's
when Cage is at the daughter's wedding, which that whole
wedding thing was it was too much, It was too much,

(46:21):
But what.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
About what about the watching going around like, hey, thanks for.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
What are we doing here? So then Q's walking and
then sees all the bridesmaids running out of the bridal suite.
So he goes in. He goes into the uh, the
bridal suite, and Cage is in there with a gun,
and Q makes the mistake of saying to his daughter,

(46:49):
which by the way, by the way, Cage tells the
daughter that's in there, the bride, hey, get out, and
as she's leaving, UH holds on to her and her
father it's okay, it's okay, let her go.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Get the funk out. That's your daughter, dude.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
No, you need to learn how.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
You will say.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
So on the day of your wedding. Yeah, there you go.
So then Q makes the mistake of saying this beef
is between me and Frank, and Cage unleashes him.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Is wrong word to say. Get It's okay, it's all right.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
His beef is with me, beef, beef, you were my
son killed. He lies straight to my face of hat
I've got with you.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Beef is an accurate description when I've got with your father.

Speaker 10 (48:13):
Okay, okay, So.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
James James, Before I started the movie, I was on
my couch and I just like just rinted it. It was
starting and I was checking my email and I saw
that you had sent the audio clips and all I
saw was beef dot m B three in the preview,
and so I was just like, oh God. So I
put it away and the whole movie I'm like, where

(48:40):
is this fucking beef clip? And it's not to the
very end, and I was.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Like, I mean, that's that right there is why I
like this movie so much and why it's the brilliance
of Nicholas right there.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Well, he definitely elevates it.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
He just elevates it because one other actor is gonna
sit there and say beef for thirty seconds and keeping
that engrossed.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Kids.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yeah, only you could see his facial features as he says.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Well, at this point, he is he is literally part
of the couch that he's on.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
His deepens this couch.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
And he's got this stupid looking oozy with his silencer
on it, and he's just his his eyes are half open.
He could barely move. They show it from his point
of view, and it's constant double vision all about the
place to the point or even cute, not even aggressively.
It is like walking up to him and like, hey,
let's maybe get you to us. Yeah, and he shoots

(49:45):
him in like the leg exah for me, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, did you like that? The daughter shoots Cage on
his way out, and then he just keeps walking, shoots.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Him right in the back and you hear a little.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, just the littlest yeah, and he has no reaction.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
He literally gets shot in the fucking spinal cord and
he just turns around. He goes and walks out.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
So so just to get obliterated by I watched this
movie by myself until the last twenty minutes. Steph came
and sat down and watched the end of the movie.
And at the end of the movie, they show a
gun in the bag waistband of Cage. And again keep
in mind, she has no idea what's going on. She
hasn't seen any of this movie. And the cops are

(50:31):
all all of the police force of whatever town he's
in is there and they tell him, you know, put
your hands up whatever, and he reaches behind him, you know,
to grab the gun, and she and and then they
just start shooting, and she goes, he's holding a picture
of his son, isn't he She was kind of right

(50:54):
for sure was the gun? Because I thought he was
trying to get killed. Nope, she was spot on, so.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Shout out, yeah, it was, it was. It was really
funny in that moment too, because, like you said, every
every cop in the entire fucking county, uh suddenly there, Yeah,
just like the called but well I mean sure, I
mean yeah, you know everyone's but they.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Acted like it was operation everyone gets out.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, that's the thing because they have like the fucking
swat team there yea, And they get one inkling over
they think it's a gun and thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
D this guy, Like why would you even tell Age
that his daughter was getting there? Like he knew that
he was the guy that killed his son. He knew
that they have so like when when this guy gets
out of prison and you know that he's gonna have

(51:54):
money and guns and only wants to kill the people
that wronged him, Like, why are these people hiding? Why
aren't they Like, well, I think.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
You moved He told that ye Cage believed them that
he wasn't involved.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, well because Q was good because he he was like,
oh yeah, no, Max died all these years ago. Early
on in the movie says this, and then I think
it's when he's either talking to Jimmy or one jim
I'm sorry, Jimmy and the Dragon or or someone else
is like, no, no, we put Max. He's been in
a nursing home this whole time, yeah, the last fifteen years. Yeah. No,

(52:30):
he's been being taken care of. And then whenever he
goes to the nursing home to actually, well one we
didn't even talk about that. He goes to the nursing
home to to to kill Max, who he thinks this
is all on uh, because he s doesn't realize yet
it's all really on cue. And so he gets to
the nursing home and there's this lady there, you know,
the nurse, and she's like, oh, yeah, the old I'll
bring you to Max. He hasn't had a visitor in

(52:50):
fifteen years. Wow, but someone used to come all the time. Yeah,
And then go in there. He's on like a medically
induced coma and she leaves the room cage. He holds
the baseball bat up to him, just like he's gonna
beat him, and he's like and then puts it in
his hand a vampire and leaves his bloody bat on

(53:11):
top of it.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
It's not like a nice memento for this guy. Now
here's here's your murder weapon. Back, like what, yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Was well yeah that also that guy didn't age at all.
He was already old and became the movie, but it
looked exactly the same. But whenever he walks out, then
the nursing lady's like, you know, I don't know the
name of the guy that would come here. We just
knew him by his initial you. And that's the Cage,
you know. But yeah it's uh, yeah, they kill Cage

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and the spirit hallucination of Joey comes back and lays
there on the and like, I like it because Joey
is like they actually have him cleaned up, and because
the whole movie just looks like a drug addict and
then the movies now and now he's like cleaned up
and looking much better, and Cage is like almost blue
and bleeding out and just like fucking falling apart. Uh

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and they die. He dies, and he finally with his family,
and that's what sets up his time is Seth Plate.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yes, it is, that's true, Seth Plate.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
The funding was two straight up Seth Plate episodes like this.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah this was the prequel, but yeah, that's it for
our that that will conclude our discussion period of a
sport to settle on the wicker. Now we will transition
to goofs, gaffes, and ghules with a question mark by James.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Let me answer your question mark there. While there may
or may not have been a spirit involved in this movie, uh,
there were no ghoules in this movie, but there were
goofs and gaffs.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
It's a shame.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Sorry about that. You aren't not gonna believe some of
the goops of gas that people put.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
So a j are you okay? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I gotta run some getting okay? All right, well I
have my head set on.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
So do you want to do your final thoughts for least?

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Oh carr on okay.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, well we'll carry on with the goofs and gaps.
Had to get to his car. These are important, AJ,
so don't worry. I remember we go helpful, helpful or
not helpful on these factual errors. There's four. I've got
four total goops and gas. When Simone loses her car
from the moving we lost him.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
He wasn't okay, it wasn't okay.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
A bit, we'll pause. I wanna I want to make
sure he hears.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Make this work, alright, I hit except okay.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
There we go. Hank called it. You weren't okay? Yeah,
he's actively riving, all right, AJ you ready for some
goofs and gaffs. Don't think we would do them with Ash.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I didn't wait in all days.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
This Okay, You guys are not gonna believe not only
how dumb these are, but how poorly they are written.
When Simone loses her car from the moving convertible soon
it was supposed to mean scarf it lifts up rather
than being pulled back by the wind. No, we'll go

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unhelpful about another fact, he said, scar this one. This
one is a running theme. I swear this is one
person just fucking with us. This pisses me off to
no end every time I see it. The white sports
car they purchase has no front license plate, which is
mandated in Oregon, where the movie takes place. Fuck off,

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Uh god know that.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
It was also.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Like he had somebody just deliver it to his like hotel,
no paperwork, nothing.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
They don't even ask, just back of.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Cash and right, and that's what you're getting a shap exactly.
That's not help.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah, maybe he didn't have a license plate because he
bought him. Fucking illegally, I got I got another one.
I got another one about that corvette, and then I
have maybe the best for gaff we've had in the
history of the show. But first we've got when they
purchased the corvette, the production company did not remove the
camera off the front window, went a little cheap with

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the cuts, and did and not did the scene without it.
Hold on, I'm gonna say helpful because I appreciate that
this guy put his own opinion. I don't think I've
ever heard.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
It went it went a little cheap on the cuts.
This has to be the same person I wrote all
of these, because this is like the worst English ever,
But it.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Might actually be side note, it might be the same
guy then that wrote the plot on Wikipedia, because as
I've said, I'll often reread the plot the movies before
we do the recording. Uh, and this was the worst
written like plot on Wikipedia.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
There's one other person who watched this movie in the
entire world, and they were really into it. Yeah. Data,
So the final one here is under miscellaneous. I'll just
I'll read the first sentence as it's written, and then
I'll read what it's supposed to say, because I need
you to hear the second sentence, it seems off walked

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into the hotel room when a cleaner is inside. I
think they're trying to say it seems off that he
would just walk in and find a cleaner in there.
Sure second sentence, the cleaner would likely have placed a
sign on the unit door, or at least have propped
it opened to indicate her presence.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
It's true, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
You're really getting on like, well, this person's probably never paid,
like stayed in a palace that costs twenty thousand dollars
a night. But you know, if it costs twenty thousand
dollars a night, then they should be doing things at
you know, the epitome of the skill level. H m.
I've also had a motel six.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah, I think I think that person's correct, because I
I even did when I was watching it. I did
think it was a little weirds, like how did he
not know a cleaning lady because the usually the doors open?

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah? I actually we when we stayed in Boston. This
was what was that first off off walked? Yeah, I
went off locked. But what we stayed at a hotel
in Boston probably now almost twenty years ago. But I
remember this vividly. We walked in and the concierge was

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going through my dad's bag and my dad was like,
what are you doing And the guy's like, oh, I
was looking for your address, which is like the worst
to give. Yeah, he's like, I thought i'd find your
address in this bag. And then and then we watched
the guy get fired downstairs and got two free nights

(01:00:26):
of hotel steps actually worked out nicely. Yeah, here you go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, no place can have a bell hop.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah, that guy's seen some ship.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, this was a concierge, Charlie.

Speaker 7 (01:00:46):
Yeah, like, oh my gosh, imagine yeah, bell hop.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Benjamin. The reason that he didn't even flinch with how
tense that situation was because that wasn't even in like
the top ten of the crazy shit he's seen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
He kept doing his job. He was submitted.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah, all right, well I guess uh, I guess that that.
We will move to a little section I like to
call final thoughts and ratings. Jimmy, We'll start off with you.
Out of one hundred cages, what are your final thoughts

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and ratings?

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah, so I'm gonna really stick Yeah, I'm gonna really
stick to the cages on this one, because I don't
think this movie. If you're rating this movie as a movie,
it's gonna be low. This this was the cage movie
that I've been wanting for a long time. Like we've
had a couple of pretty good movies of the last
few ones that we've done, and then we've had a

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bunch of stinkers, but we haven't had like a cage movie.
And this to me felt like just a good old
fashioned throw it on with college buddies, watch a cage movie.
Hank found it boring. I didn't find it quite as boring.
I was just it was like, essentially the movie was
maybe semi boring scenes in between cage nonsense, which I love.

(01:02:14):
So yeah, I'm gonna give this an eighty two. I'm
gonna say this was eighty two cages out of one hundred.
For me, I would I would certainly rewatch this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Okay, AJ First of all, Yeah, what's your miles per hour?
Right now?

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Five?

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Okay? Five?

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Skyland we go?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Can I ask you a really quick question before you
start your final thoughts? So I don't want to interrupt.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
This is my space.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
No, no, no, we.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Just say last week, how how kind.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
It's not his space yet. It's not a space yet.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Do you guys know the movie?

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Do you guys remember the movie two eleven or two
one one that we watched? Yeah, no, five episodes ago?

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Is that the Firefighter one?

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I have no clue. I have no That movie does
not exist to me at all. I don't remember it.
So anyway, I just looked at the sheet and I
was like, did I write this down by accident? I'm
looking at the poster right, I have no idea what
this movie is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
He just talks about him being an aging cop, which
is this is the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
One where his partner dies at the beginning or something?
All right, sorry a sorry started, it didn't start yet.
The floor is yours.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
You're gonna gonna interrupt my flow. Hey, do you remember
this movie?

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Look that you did?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
James?

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Now now he.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Listen, hand out. That's on me. That's on me. I apologize.
We've lost me and now we've just lost So that's
that's twice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Now I've tried to get his final thoughts and you've
bemoaned it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Hey, at least at least this didn't happen mid final thoughts,
so really everyone should be thanking me, right, I don't
know what to do here. He's just gone. Was Hank
and Jake show.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
It's like Hank and Jake Show, Hank and Jake sauces.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Hey, a j you're back. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah, I might. I might not have good service here
now maybe harmony all thank you for that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
Yeah, yeah, I like this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
It was a fun ride. It wasn't anything super glamorous,
but it wasn't It didn't have so many things that
were just aggressively annoyed saying that like it sucks you
out of it, like you know, you can kind of
just get into it and then go for the ride. So, uh,
I was gonna I was gonna rate this a seventy

(01:05:12):
eight cages out of one hundred. It does get a
boost because I like the use of non lethal gunshots.
If you like in movies, everyone's always trying to hit
the person in the head, and if you can only
see their foot, shoot him in the foot. Yeah, that's
gonna give you a tremendous advantage on your opponent, especially

(01:05:34):
if you're hallucinating.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Wait, we didn't mention that he shoots him in the
foot and then shoots him in the dick and then
shoots him in the head.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
He took.

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
Well, if you let me finished, I was gonna give
him plus five for the foot shot and negative five
for the dick shot. Nobody you don't want to watch,
I'm go get Yeah, I'm an mpath over here, I
think people.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah, so seventy eight cages O good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
It took. It took a lot for me and hey,
to not interrupt you earlier, right on your final thoughts.
I really wanted to kind of hope you would get up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
What was so funny to me about it was all
that effort to get to your final thoughts and you
just go, yeah, I like the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Yeah, it was like probably your least fashion.

Speaker 7 (01:06:27):
Hey, Hey, it is the principle of the matter, because
if I let this go, I'm promoting him to let
to interrupt.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Every turn in my final thoughts, and I will stand
for it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Now, you're right, You're.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Right, that's true. Okay, Uh yeah. I I had a
lot more fun talking about the movie than I ended
watching it. I will admit though, the last like forty
five minutes or so was awesome relative to what it
had been before. It's probably not one I would rewatch,
but we do some good Cage moments in it. I
just I like, I would rewatch just the scene of

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him in the church when he's when he's just losing it,
because that was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Is it good for kids?

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
I wouldn't recommend it to children unless they are too
old to be in a child If they're just too old,
but they still go in the stroller, they can watch.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
It representation on screen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Yeah, exactly. Not all children are the same, so this
is good. But yeah, it was fine. If you want
to complete your cage ology, he will at least give
you some fun with it. And that's that's that's a
big thing too. To point is, like we kind of
said earlier, if Cage wasn't the lead, if it was
anyone else, this movie would be a stinker. Like all

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the way through. He totally redeems what you can with
this film. But yeah, it just wasn't for me. So
I'm but I am going to give it sixty cages
because and it's purely for Cage, so so good job cagey.
Oh and and an additional one, get a sixty one
for bell Hop Benjamin and I want to see the

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series that the ship that guy has to deal with all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Yeah, we need like a what's the john Wick Hotel
called that they made this the Concierge. Yeah, we need
like that version that show, but for bell Hop Benjamin.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Three episodes of this guy's life.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
So with you giving it a sixty one, a seventy
eight two, that puts it out our twenty six ranked
movie out of seventy four, it's right behind, right behind
the Cotton Club, which is skewed because AJ gave it
a ninety and National Treasure Book of Secrets, which is
so you know, they both got talking.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
That was like what our third fourth film?

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
That was yeah, four fourth, Yeah, my god. And then
it's right in front of a movie where Cage plays
a character named Bill Furpo Trapped in Paradise, which we
recorded almost four years ago to the day. Wow, but
that got a seventy three from us, So there you have.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
It reminds me of who It reminds me of our
like art intro segue because one of his.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Is in the gambit and I was thinking, is a
nice contester.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
For we were so close but we're losing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, well that we agree, yeah, total all that, and
we agree he is a good contestant.

Speaker 11 (01:09:42):
I love Bill Ferbo Uh yeah, well I think that's
it's actively traveling the road from the middle of nowhere
and uh yeah, score to settle your scores today at
a score to settle dot dot com com.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Yeah, thanks for listening, aj, thanks for being you. James.
What are we watching next week?

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Yeah? So I'm I'm actually pretty excited for next week's movie.
I've seen it one time. I can't really remember if
I liked it or not. I'm not a horror fan,
so I think I was scared of being scared the
whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I h.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
But this is the classic HP Lovecraft tail that takes
place on a secluded farm and it's struck by a
strange meteorite which has an apocalyptic consequences for the family
living there and possibly the world. This has Nicholas Cage,
Joe Lee Richardson, Madeline Arthur, and everyone's favorite Tommy Chong.
This movie, of course, is Color out of Space, another

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unrated movie, Hank, Yes, have you seen this one?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I have, and I remember, I remember, well it it's
a it's a little on the cheaper side. I do
remember really appreciating it and liking it quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
I think, Yeah, I think I think I felt the
same way, but we'll see. I'm excited to watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
For Yeah, so that'll be a good one. I think
it's I think it's like a movie that went straight
to shutter or something, which is a horror.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
It did, yeah, it did, so I think that's how
you can still watch it if I'll find the alternate
ways to watch it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Yeah, but yeah, well that's uh, see that next weekend
and Bill

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Ferpo oh no, I'm not out of