Ep. 87 - “Color Out of Space" (2020) [Feat. Christian Becker]

What color is this? What feeling is this?! WHY. ARE. THE. ALPACAS. LOOSE?!?! Guest Christian Becker will explain why. Maybe. I don't know. Behold: The future of cinema!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, mess, I'm a lieutenant in the police department.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm in the middle of a homicide investigation. Try to
get my prescription please.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
The whole time is standing there with this whom.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Me expression on your face?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Have you ever been dragging to the sidewalk and being.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Tell you best blood? No man has spilt more blood
in God's name than I.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
How in the name of Zeus's buttle did you get
out of yourself?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
What you really think? I let myself get killed in
a garbage truck? Ha well, I hit in a soup,
can roll it all the way to the city dump.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Because I was made for this super baby and I
am the care.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Time out. Are you catching a fan? I have a
fan on Can you hear it?

Speaker 5 (01:03):
I don't hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't hear it.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
But I'm a fan of I'm a fan of Colorado Space.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
We're just going.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Hearing today. Yeah, what up? Everyone? Welcome to the Wickerman.
My name is Hank Kilgore. Joint is always with James
Crinchink and a j penzy Go and we have a
very very special friend of the show guest. Returning guests
probably are our all time. Uh it's either him or
Lauren I'm not sure who's been on more times with

(01:36):
the check, but Christian Becker is back with us today.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Hey, this will be three, so.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Hopefully it is Christian confirmed. You just broke the tie
with Lauren, and shout out Lauren just had a baby,
and shout out Dan Brown because he's also been on twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Hey, guys, this is I'm the guest on today. This
is about me today.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Now shout out, and.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
I want to point out Lauren actually named her baby
Hank James is Jay and could it be more thankful
for that?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
And they changed their last name to Wicker. Christian, welcome back.
I think last time we had you was a ghostwriter
one or two?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
It was two?

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, we did. We did one then two.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
You couldn't get enough.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I really hope they make a third, just so you
just so I can come back again.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I'd be great. I also don't know. There was just
something about when I was thinking about watching this movie,
I was like, I think Christian might be good for
this episode. And I just texted you the other day
at random. I'm very grateful that you were able to
come up.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
I was about to ask what brought you on for
this movie, particularly.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Literally just James. He just texted me said, hey, we're
doing the Color out of Space. I thought of you,
and I thought great, I don't know what that movie is.
Myself a big Cage fan, and I didn't know what
this movie was. I said that sounds cool. I watched
the movie and then I texted Jane and I was
essentially like, why did you think of me for.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I don't know. I have no honestly, I have no clue.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
I can't wait into it then, just to knock out
our our our details here. So Color out of Space
and adaptation of a short story from Lovecraft. It was
directed by Richard Stanley. Released in September seventh, twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Any Relationships film Stanley Kubrick.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Let me see Richard Stanley, Stanley Cube, Yeah, distant cousins.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Related to Stanley.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
There was a Stanley cameo in this film. Don't know
if you caught it or not.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
He was the well yeah, it's official, yes, yes.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
His official release was he was January twenty fourth, twenty twenty.
It's a Shutter exclusive. You got Nicholas Cage is Nathan.
Jolie Richardson is his wife. Teresa. Madeline R. Arthur is
their daughter, Lavinia Gardner. Elliott Knights is Ward Phillips, Brinden
Meyer as the son Benny. Julian Hillard is the son Jack,
and Tommy Chong. Tommy Chong shows up as extra. So, yeah,

(04:15):
Color of Space, what do you? What are you all?
Guy's initial thoughts on this.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I actually liked this movie quite a bit. I
think it's really good. My favorite part, which I'm sure
we'll discuss later, is when Cage dips into Peter Lowe
for about and a half minutes just hearkens and a.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Half hours, because so I really like that.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
But no, actually I think that's a pretty good movie.
I think the visuals are really good. And yeah it's
not I mean it's not amazing, but I think for
for what it is, it's it's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
This whole descent into madness, I didn't know for the
first like bit, like because there's like a turn that
happens in the movie, right, yeah, bit, I didn't know
if that was like actually on purpose, that that was
like his character kind of like change his voice and mannerism,
just Cage being he had this little bit of like
a Pennsylvania accent kind of thing when it was where

(05:08):
he's going at his daughter. So I'm just like, it's
even that way the whole movie, or.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
He's like, why don't you get out of my eyes?
You know what I'll do better, I'll get out of
your eyes.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I was like, I watched this movie with my buddy
George last night. George, and I was thinking, because I
didn't know the backstory, I figured Christian was a huge
fan of this movie, and since he's a huge fan
of the podcast, he saw it coming up in the

(05:45):
ranks or whatever and was like, Yo, I need to
get on this.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Christian is actually following.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I don't know if you knew we were doing a podcast.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I know we haven't released any episodes yet, so there's
no way he would have known. But my brain thought
that you were just a super fan of this movie,
and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Had a weird Christian.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Watched the first.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Time two hours ago.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Hey, Jay, was this your first time seeing it?

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah? I when did this come out?

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Twenty twenty? If you listened earlier, yeah, come on, yeah,
January twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
This came out shortly after we began the podcast.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yes, And.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
I remember there was before we began the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yes, right, it was that sweet spot.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
The sweetest spot. So I've I've been like purposely avoiding
this movie because I wanted to it with fresh eyes
for this. So, thus beguns, the thus beguns, Thus beguns.
The era of Age movies that have been released following

(06:56):
the start of the podcast. Oh wow, wait, you know
this is a huge, huge chapter for us.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
I think, Yeah, it's pretty wild. As of recording this
today is June thirtieth, twenty twenty four, which also I
want to say, happy mid twenty twenty four everyone.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
No, okay, Well, so.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Two weeks out from another Cage movie that I'm very
excited here.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Oh my god, Long Legs. Yeah, I'm actually really nervous
about that movie. I want to say this because it
connects to this movie. I hate horror movies. Horror movies
really stick with me for a long time, and I'm
worried about Long Legs. I think I'm gonna be a
little bit about it when I actually watch it. But
this movie Color out of Space. The first time I

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watched this, I was very not sober, and so I
went in ready for a lot of colors and Cage
in a colorful world. I didn't know anything about this,
and I was so scared the whole movie. I was
freaking out watching it again, sober in the daytime. Not
a super scary movie, but there is a lot of

(08:00):
like very creepy elements to this movie. I think they
do well.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
They do so well because yeah, there's it's not like
there's like a scary demon or ghost or monster. You know,
it's all just this family and what they're seeing in
their heads. And there's some really creepy imagery. Yeah, for sure,
but it's not I wouldn't. Yeah, it's it's less of
it's a slow burn horror, you know.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
I was gonna say that's like, Yeah, That's what definitely
stuck out to me the most in this was I
thought it was gonna be when it was starting off,
because there's a scene where the uh, what's what's the
guy's job? Not the the toxicologist as a hydrologist.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Hydrologist catch that fifteen times he says that in the movie.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Apparently not, I was just like cage where he can't
get the guy's job right. But there's a scene there
early on where he's sitting in the woods and his
car alarm kind of goes off and then the car.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, I thought that's what the whole movie was gonna be,
like like these like kind of jump scares. He's like
poltergeist y kind of things. But then as it went on,
it's way about the imagery that's scary there. Yeah, the
demon alpacas and the mom being warphed together with Jacks, the.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
Mom my god, my consuming her young.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
So I was just very like into the hole, like, oh,
are they actually gonna because but the first I was nervous.
I thought they weren't actually gonna show like the alpacas
and all that, because they're doing a lot of close
ups on the eyes.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
And they do, and they showed in a lot of
glory and cage with a shotgun shooting each of these
five heads. Yeah. This is the second time I've seen
this film. The first time I remember liking it but
but thinking it maybe it was a little cheap looking.
And then this time watching I was like, actually this

(09:48):
it looks great and I loved I watched it last
night and I just I fucking loved it. It really
hit me this time. I was very impressed by it,
and like it's a small it is a smaller film,
but it works per in its favor. Just them on
this farm in the middle of nowhere, and they established
very clearly that it's super hard for them to get
away without a car. Yeah, I don't know, it's like

(10:11):
the the imagery of it is beautiful. I'm a I'm
a love crafting fan, and it's great and like they
really go for it with Yeah, the mom bee and
all the combined.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Like gonna be the winner of the podcast.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, and was a good guest.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
I will say, I think to the like all the
acting was great. I don't know if I thought all
the acting was pretty damn good.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
And that's the hydrologists. Yeah, I say he wasn't good.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
He's you know, everyone else be a straight man and
like he did fine for that. But like as far
as our main like family goes, like I thought that
they were all great.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
And shout out Jack Jack. I think he's a few.
He's really good. They usually give him bigger, thicker glasses.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Which bigger, bigger than that.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, I mean his eyes are usually head so.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's gotta be like taking up his entire body.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
The problem is these classes were like flat on the top.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, we're full usually they're circular. Yeah, yeah, was he
on was he in Multiverse a Madness?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Hank?

Speaker 5 (11:17):
Oh? That was that the kid? I think it was,
Oh my god, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Worked with him in the past him and.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
He was he was in that in Wanda Vision and
uh when we were on Doctor Strange two, there's this
scene in the movie where him and the other kid
are singing this fucking ice cream song like we like
ice cream like every child duck and I would have
to hear that over for like three months while the
editors were working on it.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, that's terrible, that's terrible.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
But yeah, shout out Jack Jack. Yeah, uh, I just
I love this movie. And what was nice about like
the you really do get the fun crazy case this one.
And what's nice about it compared to other films, especially
more recent ones we've seen, is like it's justified. You know,
like all this world they're living in, it's whether it's

(12:11):
radiation or just this insane, otherworldly horror that's happening around them,
they all slowly lose their minds. And I appreciate that
each of those family members all have their own kind
of like distinct personality set up very quickly that they
dive into by the very end of the film, and
it all gets a little mixed and mingled by the

(12:32):
end of it a little too much. But like as
a whole, I love it. And Cage is like this
like reserved father that just actually hates where he lives
and everything about him, and it all comes out and
just glory.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well, I think you bring up a good point in Christian.
I don't know how. I know you're a big Cage fan.
I know you've seen a lot of Cage movies. I
don't know how closely you follow when he goes over
the top and when he can rein it in and
a lot of its direction. But I just rewatched Peggy
Who Got Married, which is one of my all time favorites,
and that movie is shocking in the sense that Francis

(13:05):
Ford Coppola just did not could not get Cage to
resemble even somewhat like a real person. And yeah, yeah,
I mean it was like it was so outrageous. But
but this movie, I feel like it's it's amazing in
the sense that what you said, Hank, like he does
dip into the Peter Lowe and and kind of the

(13:27):
second but it fits. But when he's normal cage. He's
just normal case. I love the scene when he's on
the news and he's like losing it because because he's like,
couldn't someone have got me a comb? Like, you know,
I just thought.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
And then he mentions that he likes to like there's like,
were you sober when the media right struck? And he's like, well,
I had a you know, I had a subourbon. It's
an urban connoisseur underneath his name.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
About about when the mayor, when the mayor comes hit
the crater and then he's like explaining. She's like, oh,
did you so tell me what happened. He's like, well,
I was inside with my wife. We were you know,
And he's like basically explained to the mayor that and
his wife were having sex.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
And it's been a while, but.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
He's like for the first time since the surgery, just
an oversharing death.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, details.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
No to that point, though, I was worried what you
were saying, James about like, you know, crazy cage versus
reserve cage. I was worried at the beginning because the
way that a lot of these movies work is that
you know, there's like a kid or like like somebody
else in the family is the one that gets like
possessed all the creepy stuff starts happening to them. So
early on, I thought that was what Jack Jack's whole
role was going to be, where he was essentially going

(14:40):
to be like the possessed kid that all the crazy
stuff was happening happening to. And then yeah, as the
dad role was kind of going to be the straight
man because he kind of starts off as a straight man,
like just putting his daughter when he shows up late,
cooking them dinner and all that there. So I kind
of thought early on the movie, that's the cage we're
going to get the whole time, and I thought, oh,
what a waste. But it's like a switch halfway through

(15:01):
where he he starts to slowly divulge into madness, and
I thought that was yeah, like you said, Hank, like justified, Yeah, yep.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Yeah, yeah it was. It was just like, in a
morbid way, fun watching this family just fucking fall apart
over like three days, you know, and just and like after,
you know, because they would kind of set the movie
up where like once the meteorite struck, it was like
during the day things were kind of okay, and then
night is when things really ramp up, and they kind
of follow that, but it it goes exponentially.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
I love how they work with time too, where you know,
when she's washing the dishes and then all of a
sudden it's, you know, seven hours later or whatever. Yeah.
The only thing I will say is it took about
seven hours for that SYNCD overflow. I don't I don't
know about that, but yeah, but yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
I like, yeah, the weakest one I think, and not
his fault, just like the story was probably Benny, because
like his whole thing was just like he literally just
like ran off to the woods. You get the other
acas and then you just don't see him at all.
It was like there's a weird time thing that happened.
I'm like, did they just cut.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
I'll say, I'll say he died in theest way possible
I think of like anything.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, I didn't even understand it. Why.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, he wasn't really like going that, I'd say. Of
all the family men, yeah, he was kind of the
one that kind of stayed the most normal, Like there
wasn't anything like, he wasn't speaking weird. He wasn't like
I wonder if it's because like they established him as
the one that was you know, he's the stoner kids,
So who's already like.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
The far out one in a way. And I wonder
if that was the idea, that it doesn't get him
because it only enhances who they are, and he was
already into like that weird but who knows.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
But it's but but to Christian's point, he then dies
when he loved that dog.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
I hear the dog, but you don't see the dog
like at all, like like barely in the movie, things
like I hear him down I have to go down
the well. And you're like, yeah, the choice of any
character in this movie and you're the one who's not
losing his.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Mind seems to be the most sober, if you will,
Like I do like the line though, when when the
dad or whoever he's asking the daughter like or maybe
it's the hydrology, like wait, where's Bennie. He's like Bennie
lives in the well? Now, yeah, they don't go.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Out to the well, like obviously they hear they hear
screaming from up in the attic from the mom be
but that they never heard the will to like check
on him no, yeah, yeah, no, no.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Which is fair.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, I mean that that death was weird. So I
saw this. I had seen this when I first watched
it someone theorizing online and it just kind of sparked
my brain again when we watched it again. But when
the daughter casts that spell in the beginning, in the beginning,
or I think, like maybe further in when she casts

(17:43):
the safety spell and she cuts herself all up, yeah,
she is kind of the only one that doesn't end
up dying basically, right, Like she gets brought up until
the goes off. But yeah, but she gets like brought
up and that's almost into safety but not in a way.
So I guess they're theorizing like if the spell actually works.

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I don't know if that's the most interesting conversation, but
i'd like to hear from AJ. I feel like a J.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I can't get a read on if you actually like
this movie or not. You're kind of like letting the
conversation flow. You're You're are Tommy Chong of the podcast,
So I kind of like you. What how did you
feel about things?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
What about the witchcrafts?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, about the witchcraft about it all? Did you like
the movie.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I'm no witchcraft expert.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
Okay, well, Alexandrian.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
They whatever you choose, that's going to be wrong. It's
it's mandering. I don't know, it's like it works to
an extent, but you know, I think it's made to
make you think, like is her fucking with the spirit

(18:56):
world like causing this? And then I think you slow
we see that like you know, like whatever is causing
this is like way beyond her pay grade and that like, yeah,
she's probably only doing a little bit of help, yeah,
versus something that's like way beyond their knees.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
But I think I think it has I think it's
what other like purpose would there be for that to be,
like her character right there, to like open the movie
that way, and then for it to just have nothing
to do with it like that seems like a weird.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
She's the only one that that accepts other worldly things,
and so that's why I think she's the one that's
the most actually other than Bennis, she is kind of
the most normal through it all. Yeah, and kind of like, well,
she's like the most like all right, let's okay, let's okay,
let's figure the shit out, you know, like we got
to get the fuck out of here. She's coming up
with planned while she's doing her kind of wild witchcraft

(19:46):
wicked kind of thing and and doing terrible things to
herself through it all. But it's for the sake of like, oh,
I understand that something beyond us is happening, So I'm
gonna do the best I can that I can do
that involves beyond us, you know. And so I think
her acceptance of that world maybe is what allows her
to whether whether the spell works or not, it's that mindset.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
But then so like I'm thinking about her first spell
to right, her first is to take away her mom's cancer,
and you don't obviously you don't know how that's going
to manifest itself. She wasn't specific enough. But when when

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like the color starts blasting and the mom is holding
on to what's his name, jam Jam.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Jack Jack Jack.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Honestly, I'm just gonna say it better.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, I'm gonna stick with jam Jam. When Mama is
like hugging jam Jam and trying to protect him from
the radiation blast and they eventually like merge together, it
it almost is like that she is now sapping his
energy and we don't know, we never got confirmation that

(21:06):
it took away her cancer, but as momby evolves into
this gigantic alien, it seems that she is now surging
with power and not sick at all.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
That's a really good point.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
That's a really good point, give and take. Like cancer,
but will make you a giant fucking spider.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Well yeah, we'll take the tumor out and make you
into a tumor, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, to harvest all the organs of your family.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, James, did you like it when Cage tells when
they're up in the attic and they're like trying to
take care of the mom and Cage comes in with
a shotgun and he says, kids, get out, I'm gonna
take care of this, and instead of shooting her, he
just starts kissing her.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I did actually really like that? Yeah, I want to. Yeah,
that that did it for me. Actually, yeah, did you
know we.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
Were gonna have sex? Because for a minute I dit
and I was like, oh, please talk.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I did actually, But yeah, when he kisses her in
that grotesque saliva, I thought, surely he's gonna shoot her now,
but he goes in for two more kisses. Oh yeah, hey,
when you're horning your horning, I guess.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah makes it worse. Well, the youngest son is attached.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
To her, But so then he was dealing with this
conundrum of Okay, I'm a I'm I'm now mentally ready
to put her down and put her out of her misery.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
The whole time I'm shouting at George, I'm like, you
just ended killer horrible, grotesque, and like, so finally he's like, okay,
like let me put her out of her misery. But
then you see, emotion is still in her. She doesn't
want to die, and so because she doesn't want to die,

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he realizes that she needs maybe she can heal, maybe
she could survive, maybe she needs more power. So then
what does he do. He goes and grabs the daughter,
who he told get out of here, and he's like,
go feed your mother.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
And.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
With no suppon.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
I mean it's like, you know, I feel like there's
a million ways to interpret this movie. I think part
of that, in my opinion, is just the sort of
like idea of face and cancer, you know, and like
dealing with that, and like the daughter obviously never wanted
to and like the sort of ugliness you get from
like I say, ugliness like from Chemo and how it
can physically change someone, and I kind of see that
as like what the whole purpose of this scene is.

(23:37):
But it can go in a billion different directions. And
that's what I really like about the movie is it's
it's very like you can really make your own subtext
out of it, and there's plenty of it there, but
the main, surface level story of it works great. In
my opinion. This is one of the only, I think
only movie I've watched on the show that afterwards, I
sort of reading other reviews about it, just like the critics,

(24:00):
and most of the ones I read were pretty negative
and pretty harsh on it, and I'm surprised by it,
and I'm wondering if it's either just one of those
things where like at the time it came out it
just wasn't hitting with people or what because watching it
it is it is a pretty mixed film, and the
characters by the end of it kind of lose what
made their personalities their thing and just get a little
bipolar in a way. But I don't know, I thought

(24:24):
this is a really good fucking movie. I was really
into it. I'm a also shout out to shutter shutters
or streaming service. It's one of my favorite services ever
is a shutter film and it's it's wonderful, and it's
just I don't seeing a film like this at this
caliber that looks really good, has these really good actors
in it, Like, I don't know, it's great to see

(24:44):
something so fucking gross and different and fun and yeah,
maybe like some some issues here and there, but as
a whole, it's like, I don't know, it just drew
me in. You know. The visuals were so good, very
Mandy esque, just in the idea of like a sort
of the both the visual palette of it all, but
then that the soundtrack, the score of it was very

(25:05):
all encompassing and very just like in your head and
also sort of a descent into madness as it goes
on and on and deeper and deeper. Yeah. Yeah, And
and like, uh, Tommy Chong. I love Tommy Chong in
this he was great, Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
You know, he was he was great, and he I thought, yeah,
it's he was almost like a red herring, like you
almost think he's gonna end up, I don't know, going crazy,
like there's gonna.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Be something about anything.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
He didn't amount to anything. You don't know if you
saved the day or what. But his character didn't amount
to anything really.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yeah yeah, well other than the sister, he's the one
that really accepted it. And he was just like, it's
my time to go, brother, It's already here. It's all
on the surface, it's in the ground. Well he was
just like, uh, I gotta look it up because I
want to make sure I get the guy's name right.

(26:01):
It was another similarity to Israel.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Was the character's name was it?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Oh yeah. He was running with Bill Duke in Mandy
as well. You know, it's like these guys live off
the grid and then there's like this one guy that's
kind of out there, played by like an older famous actor.
I don't know. There's a lot of a lot of
a lot of similarities.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
But before we get too far away from it, you
brought up shutter. I want to take a moment to
talk about AMC Plus again. Like I did last episode,
I got another free trial of AMC Plus, this time
through Amazon, and it actually was great. There was no big,
long black pauses where the commercials were supposed to be okay,
So I just want to shout out AMC Plus. I

(26:38):
don't know if they heard me last week and they
decided to change their streaming platform.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
On our unreleased episode shout out, I'm not Last.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Week, Christian I went off on AMC Plus because the
whole movie I did ad free, free trial and free.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
It was the only way he could watch the film.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
It was the only way to watch it. And the
instead of like, they kept in the parts where they
were supposed to be commercial breaks, so there was these long,
like black pauses in the movie. Just no commercials this week,
none of that. So shout out AMC Plus. They got
their shift figure.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Maybe it was just because you did it through Amazon.
Maybe that's the difference.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Good base.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Shout out what pays out for that prime cut of I.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Will I will say, James, speaking of AMC Plus, I
almost regret it when you asked me to come on
to this episode. I almost immediately regretted it. When you
told me I had to subscribe to A note A
plus for free, I was like.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
I just hag, I like to give the free option.
I'm a big this is what I've been doing with
Paramount Plus for years. I pay for Paramount Plus once
every three months, then I cancel. They give me two
months free, I pay again, cancel two months. It's great.
So listen streaming service should be more complicated in my opinion,
right now, they're too easy. It's too easy to know

(28:00):
where everything is. We also need a few more yes,
and there's not enough. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Well, now is the perfect time to announce that I'm
launching my own It's called Christian Plus.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Yeah, coin size because we're launching wicker Plus.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
That's great.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
And for wicker Max.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Two months later.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Christian Plus sounds too much like a religious dating site.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
It's like a religious dating site for fat Christian women.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
It's also like quo like.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
To watch movies? Yeah, now, hey, I'm into it? So yeah,
thank god.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Well, thanks amc plus, Thanks everyone for listening, and sure
to subscribe to Christian Wicker Plus.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Can I go ahead and play let me go ahead
and play the audio that I did send you?

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Hey, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Thanks, thank you. So this is uh. I only clipped
off like fifteen seconds because there was just a lot
of cageisms. But they're they're all kind of short. But
I did read that Richard Stanley, well, I want to
have a conversation about in a minute. But he his
favorite cage movie is Vampire's Kiss, and so he wanted

(29:19):
some Peter love, which explains a lot. So he asked
for Cage to do this. But let's just play the
audio because we've referenced it a lot. This is this
is what it sounded like.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Holy shit. They should have been put back in the
barn hours again.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
We haven't even fed them yet, have you, Dad?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
I tried?

Speaker 5 (29:34):
What do you mean you tried?

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Do you have any idea how much those animals cost us?

Speaker 3 (29:40):
They are out packas out packas holy sis?

Speaker 5 (29:46):
And he even does sorry it's a podcast, but even
does the little like hand manners.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yea. Well, well, it's like Christian said, I the exact
same thing where all of a sudden he starts doing
this voice. I was like, was he doing this voice
the whole movie? Where did this come from?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Comes from the tension of the moment, And I'm glad
did you? Oh sorry, j go ahead, go ahead?

Speaker 4 (30:15):
That they live on an apoca farm.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I didn't actually I missed that.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Wait where?

Speaker 2 (30:21):
But the thing the thing is they don't really live
on They have four al pacas, which what are what
is he going to do with four alpacas? Also, he
milks the alpaca, and he goes through the whole process
of telling us how gently you need to work the
boob and how you need to do all these things,
and it's very difficult, and they don't do a lot
of milk. And he gets the milk from the alpaca

(30:44):
and immediately chugs it somehow his chin. He does offer,
you're right, And then I.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Was also curious, like because I was curious about their
whole situations, kind of felt like they like cages so
into the al pacas and like say how expensive they
are and milking the ol pacas. I was like, for
the first little bit, I was like, do they sell
the milk, Like is it like expensive milk that they
sell to like the locals, like grocery stores. That's how
they make a living. But the mom has like a

(31:15):
corporate job where she trades.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Like she's gotta be making so much money, although she's
hemorrhaging clients because a couple of calls, like three days.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
He does mention when they're eating about eating meal pacas
in the future.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, yeah, and you can't eat them.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
You don't, you don't eat them all. At the same time,
that's a lot of fucking meat.

Speaker 7 (31:44):
Dude, But the Mayons.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
The Mayans had it right, age, don't forget that.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
But they went extinct, which which actually brings up an
interesting point as because the Mayans, we have all this
evidence of their civilization, but none of their bones.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Okay, apparently, so did they get color out of space?
You're saying.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
The same thing with these guys, the same thing we
got the Mayans.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's interesting. So rule number one, do not own alpacas,
that's what you're telling me.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Would it be as scary for the Mayans if this happened,
because like, part of the whole thing is this like uh,
this meteor energy. It reupts like anything electrical, and so
part of what's scared of all them is like the
alarms start going, the cars break, the phones don't work.
Mayansn't have any of that. The electrical stuff wouldn't even matter.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Like colors. Let's just say, yeah, this.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Is fucking dope.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Very very small, very small little comment that was like
psychology was talking about. I think he was talking to
the mayor at the beginning, like was trying to describe
the color and all that. He's like, I think it
was a purple or it's like a color I've never
seen before purple, dude, Like, yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
It was was purple.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Though the idea is that you can't, yeah, purple, fuchia.
But like the ideas, you're not supposed to really uh
comprehend the color. And I think they did a good
job at like just picking one that was weird and
different and worked really well.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
That's fair too, because at the end of the movie too,
and he's looking out over the damn it's kind of
it looks semi normalist sky. But you can see some colors. Yeah, yeah,
do it again. Yeah, nice, you can see all those.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
What was it from Silicon Valley?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Middle middle.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Because the short story that was the idea was that
they've never they'd never seen it before. But but I thought,
as a fan of the of the story and then
seeing the way that they interpreted.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I didn't even know it was a short story. I
will have to Uh.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Yeah, it's great, It's really it's really good. And also
I think they did a really great job modernizing it
for current days in the story. What's that?

Speaker 4 (34:10):
When is this suppsed to take place in the story?

Speaker 7 (34:12):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Oh the short story? Oh god, it was when Lovecraft
was alive, so it would have been like, yeah, something
like that. So it's also early days of electricity kind
of idea. But they did a good I mean put
them on a remote farm, but they still have modern amenities,
like it worked really well. Yeah, so yeah, that was
kind of the idea with that.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
But have you have you read the story?

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Okay, So my question is about yeah, big bad here.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
Tommy Chong is not in the short story, by the way,
Tommy or Tommy Chong's character, Tommy Chong himself, he wasn't
born good.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah, like the villain in this movie Color Out of Space.
One of the things I really love about this movie
is that you don't actually get a definition. You don't
it's never like spelled out for you as to what
this is when it started, how it works. It's just

(35:17):
a mystery, which is cool and that actually, like you know,
I usually don't like horror movies because they don't scare me.
This one scared me a couple times, like when the
car started by itself like that that got me. But
I think it scared me because there was such an
element of mystery to it that, like you don't know

(35:39):
what's gonna happen next, you just you can't know because
they don't give you enough information. And there's a you know,
there's color, and there's insects, and there's mombies, and there's
like so many different like permutations of whatever is fucking
all this up. But the crux of my conundrum is

(36:01):
that I don't think it started with the meteor, right,
like right, it.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Was the water. Is it was in the water.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
Though the meteor caused the problems in the water, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Well yeah, well, okay was already out there.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
But but to Hank's point, so the Hydramais hydrologist was
out there because they wanted to build the dam. And
the Hank's point, the whole thing the meteor messes with time.
So that's part of the color out of Space, is it.
It messes with the time. So Tommy Chong's character says
he's been recording these sounds basically forever for a long time. Yeah,

(36:49):
the media only just hit right, and so he shouldn't
have been recording for that long. So you could take
that as he's a crazy character, or you could take
it as it's bending time, which it was. Because at
the end of the movie, when the hydrologist goes back
into the house, there's Cajun his family again, reliving the
scene that we saw earlier in the movie. So I

(37:11):
think it was caused by the meteor. But the water
problems have been going on for a long time, so
I think both are true.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I think the meteor might have like activated something that
was already.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well that yeah, it could could be, or the other
interpretation could be the meteor was drawn to that location
because of what was happening previously.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Are you media like by.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
The I think the point is that the media is
the inciting incident. That's that's what gets all this started,
is from that media.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well, but that's not what me and A That's not
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
I want to add, just to clarify. Are you saying
that if the media, let's say that the media didn't
hit right, there would all of this stuff in the
like all these things in the movie, like the weird
stuff happening still happen.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Well, I think what if you go on AJ's line
of thinking, I think the media could have been the
fine essentially the final catalyst to get done what it
needed to get done. Where there's been this thing brewing
for a long time, and now the media is drawn
to this location because of what's happening in the water.
How I interpreted it was it's all stemming from the meteor,

(38:25):
but because it bends time, when the media hits there,
it was actually affecting how time was previously. So essentially
the water and everything was already messed up from the meteor,
but the media didn't actually hit until, you know, three
days before the massive explosion or whatever. That's how I
read it.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
But that was like Dinny Darko logic.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is actually yeah, very similar logic.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yeah yeah, which I think in that kind of it
doesn't really matter. I mean you can't. You can break
it down however you want it to be, you know,
but the point is, like this little radius that they're in,
water's fucked up. Things are falling in the sky, other
worldly beings are coming out, Shit's going down.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
You know. Well, it's interesting, right because is moving forward.
You know, they've built this dam and you see the
color still there, so something still exists there. But is
the water still fucked up for future generations as well? Probably?

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Right, Well, it's interesting there too because it only really
effect I mean We don't know for sure, but it
is to suggest that it's only affecting them in this
little like house because there's a little bit like you know,
there's obviously a world outside of where they live. There's
a TV crew, there's the hospital they go to and
all that. So you know, it's how far does it go?

(39:42):
Is my question? Yeah, is this like something where you know,
if you were to go beyond the world of this movie,
is it affecting other parts of the state of the
world or is it literally just their little commune?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah? Probably just probably just there, right, I mean.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
That's where the story of the short story is basic.
It's about people on a farm, which also just up
it came out in nineteen twenty seven, that's when he
released this.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
And then they obviously the farm at the end, right,
so hopefully that's what the guy says.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
More water of the Broken. No, it's great, and like, yeah,
I think the whole point is this is just an
isolated event of insanity that happens and then it's gone
and there's no rhyme or reason for it, and that's
that's just like classic code of Lovecraft, like this is
something from beyond our whether it's our way of thinking,

(40:37):
or literally our universe or whatever it's. It's it's something
that happens is unimaginably terrifying, and yet only the people
involved can see it and no one else can and
then it's gone.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
This is sort of a cliche thing to say, but
it almost reminded me of a Twilight Zone episode.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Oh no, hundred percent, yeah, totally. It would have been
a great story to a doubt for Twilight's on it.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, absolutely honestly with that.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
And I don't know if you guys have seen this, Hank,
I'm sure you have, But the imagery of the of
the farmland, like after the flowers were growing and it
was like kind of becoming overgrown with like pink and
different like plant life, it kind of reminded me of Annihilation.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
Yes, very much, very much.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
That was what was coming the whole time watching it
for me.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. When we finished, she was like,
I kind of want to watch a lot of Annihilation now.
Reminded me exactly. The Oscar Isaac stuck to him another
another great.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yeah, no that that totally would agree. Yeah, yeah, I
like the slow burn. Both of the madness of these
characters talked about but then yeah, that's a good like
the world itself, how it's slow, you know. Cage at
one point is like did you plant those flowers? And
she's like, I don't know, maybe she's an early bloom,
you know, and then his like tomatoes and peaches are.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Figure taking a bite, taking a bite, throwing, you know.
Was the maybe the most unhinged Cage part of the
film for me is when his wife chops her fingers off.
They go to the hospital. They spend a day and
a half at the hospital, she gets her fingers reattached,
they can't get in contact with their kids. They're driving

(42:22):
home and he's singing like opera or whatever, singing be
like shut up stop.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
What do y'all think about?

Speaker 3 (42:31):
This?

Speaker 5 (42:31):
Part of me wonders if whenever because they were able
to leave and before coming back and getting really sucked in,
do you think leaving sort of reset their minds a
little bit back to normal them or like did that
help or not? Because then also whenever they do come
back is really when they both started, like they jump
straight to Nutsoe territory. So I always I was like,

(42:54):
I wonder where the if you are able to leave,
what happens. Do you still keep going nutso or are
you returning?

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Well, a lot of this stuff seemed internal, right, you
got a lot of those like visually like it was
like you see like kind of their faces kind of
became transparent.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
It was his rock skin.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
It seems like you carry that beyond the little light,
like there was like a vote like I don't know,
like beyond the property line and all that, because didn't
the horse. I may have miss seen this, but didn't
the horse also like start to have like purple.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Eyes, Yeah, purple eyes.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
And then it like kind of got out of there
and like ran off the property and was just like
any kind of thing. Yeah, but then do you is
it like a zombie type thing where like Cage's rash
can like spread to people beyond their Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
When he gets in that shower and at that point,
like you you you understand the waters is what's doing
a lot of this and like he's just surrounded by it.
Like I was just like fuck, yeah, yeah, this is
so good. Yeah, I was really into this movie.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, actually I'm surprised. I thought, yeah, I thought you might,
Like I thought a j would be the one like
the one on the podcast I really like it, and
I thought I wasn't gonna like it, But it sounds
like we've all we all kind of liked it.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
You'd never seen it before, i'd see wait me, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, I know I saw it, but I, like I said,
I was like freaking out. I didn't I don't want
to watch it again.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yeah, I wish I wasn't sober watching this.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
I I took a hit of a joint right before,
and it was it was just enough and.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
A j sometimes for a movie that could be a compliment.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
Yes, yes, yeah this.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
I think this would have worked really well with with
Sam LSD.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
I would have would have probably do.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
You all think the.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Mhmm some of the scenes, like like especially at the end,
like when everything was like coming to a head, when
I think it was like almost like a static looking
like thing like that was pretty trippy.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
It was like it was like the worst trip you
could have aid. You know, it's this movie.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
I wonder what was it? There was a there was
a visual that I really loved where like I think
it was the hydrologist at the end, like right before
everything blows up, he's trying to get to the basement
whatever and his his body has like a lag to it.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
So he's like moving through the house and you see
like his arm is still kind of stuck over here.
That's like slowly catch up a.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Fight with Cage and they're both kind of.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Like really good.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
That's a good point too, where like even just like
the like the the visuals, like the way that they
elevated like the movie like that, like that came out
of nowhere, but it fit perfectly. And then it's like
the sound is just completely encompassing and all you hear
is my pitch squealing and like it's fucking you feel like.
And there's a point when like whenever he runs down

(46:01):
to the basement hydrologists and like he's sitting there with
his like hands over his ears trying to like you know,
protect himself, and all the glass around him shattered and
like I wait for his head to fucking just blow up,
you know.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Yeah, yeah, especially for it being such like like you
were saying, like an independent film that Shutter put out,
kind of like what was the budget for this movie?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Do you know? Because yeah, oh is that what you
were saying? This was put out by Shutter?

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Yeah, they distributed.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Oh I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Yeah, it's all on there. That's why I first saw
it when it came out.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
The one part I will say, for as good as
this movie looks, and I will say it is a
very good looking movie. The one part that I kind
of laughed at that like did look pretty horrible was
when the sheriff where they were leaving, Tim got like
picked up by the trees, like oh yeah, like arms
were kind of like squeezing him like that, back.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
To back with the with the kid stuck to the
mom's back. I thought both of those made me laugh. Yeah,
just look terrible.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
I think it would have helped if they didn't make
the kid's eyes and face so purplely, because like there
was a lot of practical stuff in there that was
really good, and then they put this layer of the
effects over that kind of took away from it.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
I felt, Yeah, but we're coming off the heels this
movie where Age like lights himself on fire and there's
like window ninety six level special effects. Yeah, yeah, and
so like my expectations were low, and when that praying
mantis comes out of the well, you get like.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
This show that was a good look at it.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
As it's like it's literally evolving in front of you.
I was like, holy shit, that's.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah bad as that was really cool.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
So the budget is there's no hard numbers out there,
but it's estimated between six to twelve million wow, which
which it's that's a fun ton of money. But as
far as like really the world of movie studio stuff,
you know.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Fy movie sorry, Nicholas Cage, that's a pretty low Yeah,
it's pretty yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
And and you know, like the the effects like they
they they I thought like sometimes yeah, they were a
little like shoddy in the animation, but the design of
it all was really really good and that went a
very long way. And their mix of having especially with
like the creepy Mambi and all that, like the mix
of practical and and and the effects worked really well.

(48:21):
Or they'll pack a thing or that fucking nasty. When
they're outside. It's the sheriff and the hydrologists and he's like, hey,
come look at this, and like they opened up the
back of a truck and someone Yeah, it's like dead birds,
rabbits and deer all mushed together and it's fucking gross.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Does that say that the problem extends beyond the homestead.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Came from there. Yeah, it came from that small because
when they zoom out at the end, when it's all
you know, like the white explosion, it's there's a pretty
clear perimeter and then it just becomes kind of normal.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
I believe they mentioned it was about a twelve mile
radius between them and civilization.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
I was wondering because as they were that was a
really cool shot when the hydrologists came out of the cellar,
and then it's now and it's showing like where the
we're essentially like a nuke seems like it went off,
and just like I was thinking that it was going
to like zoom all the way out and it was
just gonna be like in any other right summer blockbuster,
it would have like zoomed out to like the entire.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
World as being like he's the last man.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yeah, just that little radius.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
And icing on the cake foot, it's it's all gray,
no more color anymore. It's just everything's gone. You know.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
They love that.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
That's that restraint Christian that they had. It was it
was keep it where it is and the world cares.
And then you have him like ending you know the story,
which it's a little cheesy, but but like him smoking
a cigarette looking over the damn being like, remember, yeah,
I went in the hydrolog a fucking noir detective.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
It was almost like a completely different movie.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Exactly, but whatever.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, they didn't need that at all. Everyone should have died,
the aliens left a mystery and the town.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I wouldn't have even cared if he lived, but just
ended on that zoom out shot.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Not yeah yeah, yeah, I thought was that was gonna
be the last shot. That would have been like really haunting,
but said you got like monologue, I'm completely literally saying.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Here, but I'm not going to drink the water. See.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
Yeah, it's possible, and I could be completely wrong. It's possible.
There was maybe a producer someone who is like, okay,
hold on, we got to end it with a little
bit more like like you know, something like like that,
and it's like, all right, we'll go film them. We'll
get him back and film him with a beard on.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah, and they did.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
My my favorite thing that movies do when they say
the title of the movie, and.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yes, it was like Space has absolutely ruined my brain
with that. Whenever they made that joke about people like
saying the title, it's it's all I can think about.
But then for it to happen, I'm literally you know,
the second to last line of the movie.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Was goddamn, it was amazing. We were so close.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
Do you all think the mom was actually doing a job,
because all I heard her saying is the forty fifth
up down? No, you gotta know it's Euro.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Who it's Euro's the pip is too squared. Yeah. No,
I don't think she was morrhaging clients.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
I mean, yeah, morrhging clients. So clearly she wasn't doing
a great job.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Maybe maybe she was hemorrhaging in her brain. Yeah, Pretending clients, Yeah,
they were no client, It were just enabling her delusions.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Speaking of all of that, that was like a weird,
like little set like this is kind of like a
tangent here, but talking about you know, it's the scene
after the daughter does like that that witchcraft spell to
remove their mom's cancer, and then it goes to the
homestead where they're about to have dinner. They're all staying down,
but the mom's not there kind of thing. I felt
like that was like a setup to like, oh, she's

(52:14):
sick and she's like, you know, bedridden or she's on
like hospice. Yeah, she like can't like join the family.
But then it's just she's just up in the attic
working a finance Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, so that's why she's not.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Having dinner with her family because she's just like working.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
I kind of see it as because the whole thing
is obviously she's cancer and they're trying to like pretend
like life is normal, and she's at the same time
a workaholic probably, and so then that goes into like
I'm not you know, I'm still gonna keep doing my work,
and I'm actually gonna do it any more, you know.
Kind of that thought is really sad and really effective.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
What was the meal he made? He kept saying it,
and I just can't remember what friend she was like, duck, Yeah,
what was the word?

Speaker 5 (52:55):
I remember so exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
At one point he said meringue though, and I like that. Yeah, okay,
there's so much I mean, h J one last little
cage thing I want to say, did you like whenever
he gets in his car and just starts being like a.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Cockchuck a cock tucker. It was even better on subtitles
to just see a a H exclamation mark, like fifteen
times it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
I had to tell the subtitles off. It was killing me.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
I didn't have them one.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Yeah, that part was so funny that I couldn't tell
if it was the madness that he was going into
or if that was just like the cage character, because
he never or like the media, he had never like
done anything like that. He just started like shouting his
car brown. I could see the dad just doing that,
but also that could be like part of like his
like divulging into madness.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
The dad does have his little freakouts on the side,
so you know it's slash. I think Kage just got
in the car and they were filming him and he
just started doing that, and they're like, oh, going in.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
They cut it down. That actually lasted an hour.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Everyone was exhausted. His arm when I fucking broken.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
We're returning from like a retreat or something they went on,
so they had just like driven like four hours or something.
And I'm watching this at like eleven twelve o'clock at night,
and that scene got so loud and he's punching the
roof of his car. Yeah, so I like I'm scrambling

(54:33):
to try to like make it softer, and what I
did was backed it up like fifteen seconds. It was
just yeah, it was great. I'm glad I got to
enjoy a cock sucker.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Do you'll have anything else you want to go over
before we switch over to our next bit? No, all good, Christian,
I know this is I know you wanted to be
on this one, so I don't know if there's any guess.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
I was begging. Yeah, this is in all seriousness. This
was a fun one just because I'm somebody who like
a big film guy. I like I kind of overanalyzed
things before I even go see them. I like see
the trailer, twenty million time re reviews, I you know,
watch interviews with the directors and actors and all that.
This was a fun one because this was something I
knew completely nothing about. Like I'm not a issue Lovecraft person,

(55:27):
so I barely know anything about him other than like
lovely and so so this was something I went and
completely blind, Like I probably would have never watched this
movie or like done any research on it if you
didn't reach out about it. So this was something I
went and completely blind about, and that rarely happens for me.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
So I had.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
I had a fun time watching this and just seeing
like what was what was going to happen in it?
And yeah, like you said, the slow burn, but I
think it's it's well worth it by the end.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, well that's cool. I'm glad to hear
you say that. Yeah, it's nice.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
Well, James, I was wondering if, by chance there were
maybe any goofs or gaps or gooles.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
It's a lot question. First, no ghoules in this. There's
some goofs or gaps. They're mostly nonsense about I don't
know meteorites wouldn't do this or that.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
You're right, everyone to go fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Apparently alpacas were not raised by mind
so but I won't say that because it'll ruin what
we were saying before. But this one seems to be contentious.
Twelve people have said this is help ten people have
said this is not helpful. So let's see we think

(56:44):
about this one. This is the only goof gas here
I know. So when Ezra attempts to explain the natures
of aliens, the aliens toward Ezra says, what's in here
is out there, and what's out there is in here comprendo.
Now brendo is Spanish for I understand, or in this context,

(57:04):
that could translate to do I understand? Assuming Ezra means
to ask for it? Do you understand? Ezra should either
say comprendes or comprende. Did we finish Christian? This is
what we do now.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
I mean, look, you're talking to a guy who failed
Spanish one to one in college. So I'm not even.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Is splitting hairs worse than worse than we've heard in
a long time?

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Yes, bad ones too.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
It's incredible because somebody felt so compelled, like they were
like on a mission, that they watched this movie and
they said, no, this cannot be unset.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
They went believe the crazy man on LSD who's squatting
in the woods, off the grid, it doesn't doesn't.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Speak, doesn't have the Yeah, so I guess we're finding
this not helpful.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
I'm not helpful.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Yeah, I can't believe. Eleven people found that health twelve twelve.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
People found that helpful.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Crazy unhelped I've ever felt.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Yes, come Brindo, are you know?

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Oh you know what I got? I'm sorry, I gotta
read this one because forty eight people found this helpful,
five people found it not helpful.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
It's almost never that many numbers.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I feel, No, I know, and that's why I have
to read this, because it's equally just annoying to me.
Ward Phillips states that most meteorite disintegrate in the atmosphere.
This isn't correct. A meteorite, by definition, is a rock
from space that impacts the Earth's surface. A rock that
burns up in the atmosphere without reaching this surface is
a meteore, and a rock randomly drifting through space is

(58:49):
a meteoroid.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Uh nerd.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I hate Christian. This is my favorite thing we do
on this podcast because I just hate the people that
watch a movie and then go to IMDb to write
stupid ship like this. Why why are you writing this?

Speaker 5 (59:07):
Or the forty eight people that go and read for
are the.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
People that are like, oh, this is so helpful.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
Oh now I know the difference between a meteorite and
a meteor and.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
A meteor shut up.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
I think I think the part that annoys me the
most are, like you said, the people who found it
helpful more than the person who wrote it.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Yeah, going on, they're encouraging and enabling. Yeah, we're responding.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
To me, but we at least have an hour and
a half of a fucking show going over these movies
before interacting.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Welcome back to Goofs and Gaffs.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
We just.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Annoyed me. It mildly annoyed me that when Age picks
up the shotgun, he like fires off two rounds, reloads it,
and then he he like puts his smoking barrel down
in the dirt and like leans on the gun like
a cane, and the gun kind of like sinks into
the dirt, and I'm just like, I can't shoot that again. Now,

(01:00:12):
you gotta clean that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
That's a better critique than going Actually.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I'm not I m d B and reel about it
because I want to like see my words on the internet, like, because.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
You have a million other things you could be doing,
you know what.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
The way, I'll just tell you, since you're not putting
on I m dB. I found that very helpful.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Yeah, wow, three helpful for you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I mean gun gun safety is pre eminent whenever you're
handling a firearm, but especially in a in a horror
apocalyptic scenario and you rely on that gun's reliability and
not blowing up in your face.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
With your children all around.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Yeah, and when he was losing his mind.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
Yeah, but he looked funny.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
He did.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Understand little Mandy vibes with the blood on his face
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Hell yeah. Well, let's move to a little segment I
like to call final thoughts and ratings. There it is,
as always Christian, this is a reminder for you. We
rate all of our films out of one hundred pages.
So James, let's start with you. What are your final

(01:01:42):
thoughts on color out of space? Yeah, I and your rating.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
So I'll say this, I really like this movie. I
think there's enough small things wrong with this movie, not
shotgun related, that I can't get myself to give it
in the nineties. But it's close enough for me. So
I'm gonna give it eighty eight cages out and I
think you get really good cage anytime we harken back
to vampires kiss and I can get some Peter Dough

(01:02:09):
in there. That's gonna give it a lot of extra
points for me. I mean, it's it's just you're not
gonna beat that. So yeah, I'll give it eighty eight
cages out of one hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Okay, eighty eight a j.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Mega points for the Peter lowliness it was. It was
nice to see that voice performed again with a face
to it, because we got that voice in G fours
from the play. I feel like that's the last. I
feel like the last. That's the last time we got

(01:02:43):
that level of Yeah. Well, hey, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
I think we got Peggy Sue got married voice in
G force.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
So even it's been a while, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Well, what I'm saying is even to your point, Like
even with that we got a little bit of, but
this one we really got it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
I would pay a disgusting amount of money to be
in the recording booth for a day with Cage.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
That would be my make a wish for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Yeah, you know what my making wish would be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
James and I stopped talking during your final thoughts. No problem,
no problem, it's starting to become a bigger problem on
our show.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
That's a very terrible to make a wish wish.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
He answer a double the secto me and need to
make a wish, I will stop talking during your final thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Promise say double sectomy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Sect to me, my sect to me?

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Oh god? All right, So anyway, I like this movie.
I love that it's mysterious and that they don't tell
you what the fuck is going on. I think the
horror was presented very well. I had an their thought,
but I forgot because now I'm thinking about what a
double physicoy is to horrify me. Wow. Yeah, but okay,

(01:04:14):
Oh That's what I was gonna say is there were
so many redeeming qualities of this movie other than the Casionists,
the time and effort they put into the visuals, both
like digital and physical. Like Tommy Chong's like a little
homestead camp out or whatever. It looked so fun to

(01:04:35):
have built because I like building ship, and so there's like,
you know, elevator and old elevator buttons or whatever on
the front of his door where the doorknob should be.
It's just like really cute, really fun. I'm gonna give
it ninety cages out of one hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
Nice nice Christian, how about you?

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Yeah, this was a nice, nice little surprise for me.
Like I mentioned, I won't go too deep down this one,
but I probably wouldn't have watched it had you guys
not recommended it to me for this episode, So I
thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Yeah, it was suspenseful, it was full of like good cagisms.
I just really like, this is kind of nerdy, but
I like the atmosphere of it. I love just the music,
just the tone of it, which is really really cool.
I felt like you're kind of like living in this
world where, you know something. When I watch a movie
at home, I'm always worried about being not as invested
in it and like pausing it, going to do something

(01:05:30):
else and kind of just like drifting off and like
being on my phone and all that. This one I
was completely sucked into. I really really enjoyed it, even
the slow parts. I mean, I will say that it
is a slow burn sometimes in the movie's detriment, where
like it takes a little while to get going. Some
goofy stuff, some some bad visuals, some bad acting from
the hydrologists. I mean, like you said, James, there's some

(01:05:53):
stuff that brings it down a notch. But overall, I
thought this was really good. Yeah, a lot of disturbing
imagery that will probably make it me not watch it again.
I'm not going like I'm not like running to watch
this movie again, but easily recommendable to anyone. Who's a
you know, big sci fi and cage fans, So I'm

(01:06:13):
gonna give this one. It's funny. I feel like I'm
pretty positive on this, but I'm on the lower end
from you guys, so I'm gonna give this. It's not
quite an eight for me, So I'm gonna give this
seventy eight cages.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Okay, And I will say, you didn't have to watch
Between Worlds two eleven. Teen Titans go to the movie,
so it's totally understandable that you wouldn't be quite as
high as we are in scoring with us.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
I get something good. It is such a fucking relief.
One hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Let's the think when you're a guest on this podcast,
I'm like, I don't know what the standard is, right, Yeah,
that's a pretty good like score, so totally nice.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Uh yeah, I totally agree with you, Christian. The atmosphere
totally sucked me in and and your point I agree
with because it happened to me. We're like normally, I
do get like a lot of these times I watch
these movies like right before we do the episode, So
for me, it's usually more in the morning and I
might be doing laundry or something and like half these movies,
it's like that's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
You know, this movie completely wrapped up in trespass, boy,
don't even give me a started, I'm stolen.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
But yeah, and this movie, because I remember seeing it
before and being so visually, I was like, you know,
let me make sure I watched this at night, like
in a good proper setup. But even when I watched
up at night, I'm might, yeah, I be on my
phone or like my steam deck or something, but like
this one, yeah, I was in like and it really
got me something about it and like yeah, Drew, it
just kept pulling me and I was right there with
the characters. So big props of this movie. I'll be

(01:07:53):
adding it to my rotation of future movies. And I'm
a horror freak and like usually don't get like gross
out or like scared or anything like that, but like, man,
the mom Be, like the imagery of that, like that
got to me, and it really shook me. And it's
really like the a'llpacka thing even like whatever, but like
the mom Be really got to me. Yeah, this movie

(01:08:14):
left me feeling like when I went to bed when
I had to like watch some Bob's Burgers afterwards, just
to like refresh. But then like when I got to bed,
I was just like, man, that that really stuck with me,
which does not happen with me very often, so big
props to that. And then I would not recommend this
to children. Okay, children should not see this film, but

(01:08:35):
I would recommend it to adults. And if you're still listening,
if you want another similar, really great Lovecraft movie in
a similar vein to this, I would recommend a film
called From Beyond that's very very good and has all
this nasty, nasty fucking shit in it too, from like
the eighties, I think. Anyways, love the movie. I give
it ninety four out of one hundred. This soone's right

(01:08:56):
up my alley. And god damn it. You get a
good fucking cage, some good justified cage, you know, And
that's what this is all about. So fuck it. Ninety
six because cages.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Who talk to yourself into it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
Out of cages. It's out of cages. He deserves it.
Ninety six.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
All right, let me do some math here.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Yeah for bringing it down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
No, hey, don't apologize the.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Math though, Hank, I will say, kind of what you're
talking about, Like my mind, it's not like a new
rating system kind of thing. But I feel like in
twenty twenty four now and people are watching things at home,
this is a high compliment, even though for film guys
that might be astamus. But I feel like there's like
a difference between like an iPad, an iPad movie and
a like big screen movie kind of thing, where like
there's certain things where I can like rent it on

(01:09:46):
iTunes or something like that, and like I'll be like, oh,
that's fine to watch my iPad like while I'm doing Yeah,
certain movies where I'm like, no, I need like the
sixty inch TV to watch that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
Yeah, man. And I mean when there's like when you
spend a year and a half sweating your your ass
off every night for fucking thirteen hours, fourteen hours a
day just to hear people be like one like eh,
which is fine, but worse, it's okay to be like
on the movie, but then you hear like, oh, yeah,
I watch it on my iPhone and I'm like, god,
damn it, you know I watched it, and you know

(01:10:15):
in the background, I'm like all right, you know, yeah,
so yeah, totally totally. But it matters. Yeah, it captures
your attention that says a lot, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
So this is one that I was like, I need
to watch it on my TV, not on my that
that was the ultimately yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
Which I love. Yeah, all in on that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
So with the scores here, Christian gave it a seventy eight.
I give it an eighty eight AG and ninety hank
ninety six. It brings our composite score to eighty eight
cages out of one hundred. That puts it at thirteenth
on our list. It's tied with National Treasure at thirteenth,
very similar films. It's one point behind Next oh Man,

(01:10:55):
which is actually really surprising to me that that an
eighty nine from us and it is.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Watch your next episode? What did you guys give?

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
We gave it an eighty nine. I gave it an
eighty four, a ninety one hank in ninety three Next Rules.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
I would give it one hundred. Just so hold on,
let me sorry, I'm like going into a tangent here now.
I currently on my Instagram. You know how they have
like the highlights, like right there, I have one, two, three,
four or five six highlights of like all the years
I've been on Instagram. One of some of them is
just like highlight reel about like you know, the year
summer and all that stuff. And one of them is

(01:11:33):
a clip from Next Jet of Nick Cage staring at
Jessica Bill awkwardly the best. Yes, that's what people. I
laughed so hard. Yeah, I think one hundred cages for
me just because of that that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
It's crazy that we gave it. He sees two minutes
into the future. That's his whole thing. That's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
That powers or any you know, he does have power,
that's his power, but that's not that's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
His power to see twas.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
Another short story sci fi adaptation.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Okay, Dick, m is that Philip K.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Dick?

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Yeah, Okay, Now I want to rewatch Next. Thanks guys,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
You're welcome. You can rewatch next or you can watch
what will be Watching Next, which is I'm so proud
of Next Week. We've got a movie with Nicholas Cage

(01:12:36):
Laurence Fishbern. Nicolas Cage plays the cook, Laurence Fishburn, the man.
We've got Leslie Bibb, Colehouser out of Goldberg, and Barry Pepper,
amongst others. This is a movie where the CEO of
an international conglomerate since two of his most regarded executives
to investigate why shipments of cocaine are being hijacked and
overcut somewhere on the supply chain. This is Running with

(01:12:57):
the Devil, and I'm afraid we are in a string
of really bad movies again. But it's been nice. It's
been nice to do a couple of good ones in
a row.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
It's nice lasted. I don't know if I've heard of
this one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
I've seen it, and I do not remember a single
thing about it. So the posters, that's what I'm like.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
I said, this poster looks like every other fucking like like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Action Running with the Devils, two runners, one mission, zero chance.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
It sounds like Rick and Morty they got one mission.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Have you guys said Wonderland yet? When did that come out?

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
No, we have not gotten there yet.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Yeah, I actually ironically think that movie rules.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I love that movie.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
But maybe maybe we'll see again.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
I really like that movie, Christian. So hey, if you
want to come back on for Willie's Wonderland.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Yeah, that's another one I've been waiting waiting to see.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
Although that guy play, but.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Yeah, if you want to come back on, open invitation, right, yeah,
thanks for being that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
I'll come on for pig.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Yeah yeah, perfect, And honestly, thank you for for coming
on this week. I I don't know why this movie.
I thought you might like it, and I think I
was kind of right, so.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
You know you were. I'm I was very pleased with it. Again,
I don't see a world where I watch it again,
unless like friends want to watch it. But yeah, it's
not like one that I will pop on myself.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
But say, yeah, is there anything you wanted to plug
or anything like that. You know, we have a huge,
huge audience that's always releases.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
Ye see, where will I be? Honestly, no, I'm not
even being like humble like I've good. I like to
promote like going on right now?

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
We don't.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
We don't even promote our own self for me. Nood Well,
thanks again for coming on. Christian. Always a blast having
you here. Yes, everyone, thanks for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
And uh wow, this is.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
The most normal ending I think she has ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Bye bye, there we go, hang now it's not Thanks