September 11, 2024 • 47 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, mess, I'm a lieutenant in the police department. I'm
in the middle of a homicide investigation.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Try to get my prescription please.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
The whole time is standing there with this whom.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Me expression on your face?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Have you ever been dragging to the sidewalk and being
tell you best blood?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
No man has spilt more blood in God's name than I.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How in the name of Zeus's buttle did you get
out of yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
What you really think?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I let myself get killed in a garbage truck? Ha, well,
I hit in a soup can roll it all the
way to the city dump because I was made for
this super baby, and I have the care where's my
(01:02):
where's my floating hands? With the note card?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh man?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
AI is only getting better. Hey, welcome to the liquorman. Ah,
you want to talk about running? We're running from AI.
But Cage is running with the devil.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Might as well jump Hey, hey.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well running with the devil. I don't even have anything
pulled up nothing. I don't know, I don't know anything.
Why would I.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I don't the kind of movie that just makes me go,
why are we doing this? I metes or so.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Speaking of speaking of yeah, of of this in cage
I saw I'm not gonna say anything ever first, but
I saw long legs that could take shell. The other
day and one of our friends, I was with the
supporters roommate along with him, and whenever he came out,
you know, one of my friends was like, oh my god,
you guys gonna talk about long legs like like coming
up in your show. And I was like, well, I
mean unfortunately we actually want probably for like a year,
(02:06):
like two years, yeah, but we will eventually get to it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And is it I do want to ask you one
question about long legs, Yeah, because I'm going tonight. I
hate I do. I'm terrible with horror movies, but I
gotta see it. Is it really that scary?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
No, well, that's that's I think. I text you this,
but it's it's it's the same level as scary as
like Signs of the Lambs, where like it's not pop out.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I can handle that.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, it's purely just like tense in your head perfectly,
just like yeah, you've eased my brain. Yeah, so you'll
be okay.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Well, well, widow baby, James, I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Listen color out of Space gave me a couple of freights,
and you know scary movies.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
There's like a little pop here and there, but it's
nothing I would that's yeah, it's not like spooky, got
scary anything, like okay, cool cool. But yeah. So that
my friend's roommate, he was like, wait, what do you
what do you what do you talk? You guys do
a show together, like you do a Nick Cage shows,
like oh yeah. So it was explaining to him what
the Wickerman was and he was like, oh my god,
that sounds amazing. I go, we are all sick of it.
We are all so tired.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, God, damn movies. You know what I'm sick of.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Well, I was trying to explain into Diana the other night,
and it really sounded pretty crazy coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, especially like four years.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
She's like, yeah, what did.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
This end of twenty nineteen? Oh shit, Yeah, we got
like sixty five episodes out during during COVID and then
twenty in the last week.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Like how many movies are there? And we're like, there's
like one hundred and eighty and they're like what I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
We were so confident in ourselves that we were doing
bonus episodes. But I know we do our bonus movies.
But we were doing you know, Joe Exotic, We're doing
little Hey, go see this movie. We go see that movie.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Remember when we did the Wickerman Holiday Special?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
No, yeah, I believe you.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I was like twenty seconds, it was no, it was.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Like four minutes. And and I was cleaning my library
where I store all hor like you know, data, and
and I was like, what the fuck is the the
Wickers Special? And it was like, yeah, Dan was on
British Stand was on it, and he's like the night
it was all good, all of the fright, you know.
We's right, yeah, yeah, right, we had a good time.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Now look at us, we're just phoning it in.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That we're not even fucking no quality, just fucking here's
my problem.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Here's my problem. Every time we do this, we're like
we're out of the valley. We're out of the valley
with Cage Trough. We're good movies. We're out of the trough,
no problems now and then and then it's just this.
It just up right back. It's this, it's kill Chain,
it's primal, it's Grand Isle coming out. I mean, I think, oh,
(05:04):
it's so here's here's where I am with this movie.
We were supposed to record this two weeks ago from today,
so I watched it, Uh two weeks and one day
ago I woke up, So that was a Monday night
on Tuesday morning, the day we were supposed to record,
and I said, well, this isn't good. I don't remember
(05:24):
a thing about this movie. I guess two weeks later,
I remember even less. So I remember Laurence Fishburne is
in the movie, and that's about the extent. So I'm
literally reading a Wikipedia synopsis of it right now, which
is what I did or wish I did with the
movie instead of watching in the first place.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, probably would have been more since.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, oh, James, what are your first thoughts about this movie?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
There you have it. Those are my.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Well, I'm Hank Kilgore. Joint is always a Jane described
me aj Ponzika, And yeah, this is Running with the
Devil directed by Jason Cabell and written by him as well,
which which is very important to say. This movie it
came out at some point. I don't even care about
(06:18):
this at all.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So this movie came out of twenty nineteen, which I
think last week we did Color Out of Space, which
came out in twenty twenty, and I think what happened
is we made this list so long, we got some
release dates ended up getting changed.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So this is September twentieth, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, I think, but it's always hard to tell. It's
like I feel like, we look at IMDb, we look
at Wiki Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
It's sometimes too like and they don't blatantly say it,
but sometimes we'll be like, oh, when it actually premiered
at a film festival before?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, exactually in theaters and other things. So if this
was on a film festival that I hope does not exist.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Anymore, I do not think it was. But I do
just want to give a big shout out to the
production company Old Patriot Picked Sures Glad Pictures made this.
And I found out that the director, Jason Cabell, was
a member of the DEA, and so that explained a
lot of the movie and especially the writing, because that's
one thing I really wanted to bring up was it
(07:15):
was funny because when I first you know, when I
was watching it, I was like, Okay, whoever whoever wrote this, uh,
clearly the worst drug they've ever taken was like advill PM,
you know, or like they just don't know this at all.
And then when it ended, I looked it up and
the guy was a fucking Dea agent.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
God damn it, that's why he knows.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, I mean it's basically it's like it's less of
a story driven film and more of a this is
what the process is from from the farmer down and
South Mexico, you know, growing what you need to make cocaine,
and then the process of getting that all the way
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up to the States, and.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And and how much it hounds keeps going up.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
All right, The cast names are fantastic.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, well this is we need to discuss because you
talk about this going just procedural. They didn't even want
to name any of the cats. This is like reading
a friggin Dea report.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Uh So, Nick Cage plays not Walter White, but but
his his name is the cook. Then Laurence Fishburn is
the man. Then Leslie Bibb is agent in charge, Cole
Hauser is the executioner, Adam Goldberg is the snitch, Barry
Pepper the boss, and then Peter Fatchanelle is number one.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
So hey, let me.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Ask you this if agent in charge.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
If you're going into a bootle. He knows about drugs,
the cartel and everything. You see a character named the Cook,
would you think that it is a cook of drug
you know, someone that's making up the batches, or would
you think it's a guy that every once in a
while it goes into a restaurant in dress clothes, puts
on an apron and cooks in the restaurant.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Which, well, I'm glad you actually asked you a question, James,
because it's strangely relevant here.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I cook.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I think you didn't remember this movie who.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Both knows the rest it's coming back to cocaine, but
also makes a really good pizza. Yeah, Cage runs this
like pizza restaurant, which, like the restaurant itself looks just
like just a regular spot, but like it's like the nicest,
like biggest fucking kitchen in the world. In the background,
and he's got this like like Michelin Star chef like coat,
(09:43):
you know, the kind of like looks like an overall.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It was infuriating me as someone who worked, you know,
closely with chefs for three or half years. Why was
he wearing dress clothes underneath every time? Not a single
chef in the world would be doing that. But everyone
in this movie, including h who's the other guy that's
cooking sometimes Barry Pepper? Oh yeah, as well, who's the boss?
(10:07):
Always always wearing dress clothes? Gotta say fancy when you're
tossing that marin nera saus I guess.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Well, yeah, it's better.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
When you're a bus. You do everything like a bus.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Like a bus. Mary Pepper. It's great because his name
is Pepper and we're talking about food. But I did
want to be I did want to be completely honest
about this film. And here's here's what it comes down to.
The film's nonlinear storytelling adds depth and intrigue to an
(10:41):
already compelling narrative. Personally, I thought Nicholas Cage delivers one
of his most nuanced and captivating performances in years. You know, James.
The haunting musical score perfectly compliments the film's tense atmosphere,
and aj I was specifically thinking about you when I
thought that Laurence Fishburn's portrayal of the man is nothing
sort of mesmerizing.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Who wrote that, Jason Cabbell, Guys.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The action sequences are expertly choreocraft and heart stoppingly realistic.
Where good you want from a film? I mean the
film's expiration of moral ambi ambiguity as layers of philosophical depth.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
What was the moral ambiguity? Come on, it's great, You're right,
You're right. A j did you love this movie?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I want him to answer your question, because if you
don't know what the moral ambiguity is, you didn't write that.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
All that matters is the film's pacings, relentless, never allowing
the audience a moment to catch their breath.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Wow, I don't know where you dug up that review?
Was that? Like? Did you as to say?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Well, I don't know, man, the dialogue crackles with tension
and authenticity. Okay, Roger, I thought it really So it's
funny James that this morning, when we were all texting
about the Plumber thing and you sent the j I
generated because yeah, last night I was watching this and
(12:12):
just like, God, this is fucking awful and I couldn't
keep it up at all. I wanted to do this
whole episode just reading off. I would said, not chat cheept.
There's another one called Claude, and I like that, And
I typed in, Hey, Claude, write a glowing, extremely positive
review about the twenty nineteen film that's awesome, and then
it sent me this whole amazing review and then afterwards, like, hey,
(12:35):
just in case, can you send me twenty additional lines
of praise for Running with Itself?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Drop them in, slowly, drop them in.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, yeah, they're so good.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oh god, yeah, heyj what do you what do you
remember of this film?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
If anything?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Did you like him?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It wasn't.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
It wasn't horrific, but it was pretty It was pretty stupid. Yeah,
I I don't remember a whole lot of it because
it's been a while.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I do remember that Nick Cage gets moved fasted.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
But doesn't die, that.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Fall off a cliff and doesn't die. I remember, Yeah,
it was It was very stupid how everything was thought
out in terms of the running of the drugs and
uh hm, I don't know Lauren, like Kate, when Cage
(13:41):
gets thrown off the cliff, he's wearing his backpack with
the drugs, and then at the end, Lawrence Fishburne has
the backpack.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I didn't catch that either. I didn't like with I
must have fallen.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Off the drugs. That they were even started carrying.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So I remember are actually being angry about this from
the other perspective where Cage falls off the cliff with
the drugs, and then Lawrence Fishburn finds only the backpack
but not Nicholas Kate. So he I do remember him
going down there and finding the backpack.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Well he found one though, that the original one that
he lost in the river. Oh no, no, he found
so how did he get that back That's the thing.
So what I'm pretty sure is what happened, even though
they do not do a good job at showing it is,
is because at that point, when Cage is about to
fall off the cliff, lords Fishburn, he already lost his
backpack because he tripped in the river. Okay, and and
(14:38):
and mind you, the river was nothing but rocks in
a very faint stream. But somehow this massive, like hundred
pound backpack just soared all the way down and miles
and miles and miles.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And so Cage is like pissed because like what He's like,
we need the backpack.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
We got to get the backpack. Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And so they keep following the and eventually Cage trips
or something, and he's about to fall off a mountain,
but apparently what happens in that time is I guess
his backpack falls off and lands, not off the cliff,
but where they are on the cliff, and.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Cage just happens are known to do and they're always
just falling off your back.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, right before you fall off the cliff. It all
makes sense. And Laurence Fishburne somehow grabs you know, Cage's arms,
but I guess the backpack is just next to them
on the ground.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I saw it last night, and I was very confused.
And so then he drops Cage as his backpack keeps
walking and then happens to find and then find one
from the river because I could frustrating, but I'm pretty
sure that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
The other frustrating thing. And in Laurence Fishburn's defense, Cage
should have died after dropping, you know, fits, or at
least been injured to the point of not being able
to get up and walk away.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, but given those sweet crutches.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, true, true, Laurence Fisher, you're.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
In the middle of the jungle.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That there's a snowy forest, was it?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
He doesn't even try to he doesn't even try to
find Nicholas Cage's body, But then when Nick Cage comes
back later in the movie, he goes, I watched you die,
which is something you usually say when you know, if
you shot someone and you watched them die, not he
would have been like, I watched you fall off a cliff,
maybe right, and.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I assumed you died.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yes, I.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, but I mean, you know, Laurence Fishbern betrayed him.
He completely betrayed him. It's kind of nuts. I mean,
it's that's why, like the film's unflinching look at violence
never feels gratuitous, but it serves the story effectively. That's
what I thought.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I'm that scene. I'm gonna start doing this with movies
a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
So, Hank, you keep commenting on the violence. What was
your favorite violent scene? Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It was probably less the scene and more the fact
that the movies themes of greed, power, and corruption resonate
long after viewing.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
In all honesty, was there like a good action sequence. No,
I honestly don't remember all those.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's because it's it's very procedural and very I mean,
there's like a feel like there's like when the there's
like the one truck, the cartel truck or whatever is
like driving and then gets stopped and oh no, yeah,
it's like in the middle, and there's a helicopter that
starts shooting at him, and they snipe like one of
the guys, and then one of them really smart move
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when you see a sniper above you. He gets out
of the car and runs into an open field.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And then at the same time, though, like like fifteen
army men in ghilli suits just come out of the
bushes where they stopped them and just mow them all down.
I guess that was cool.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, sure it happened. I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was one of the scenes of violence.
Oh there's a scene where the police stopped them also
in Mexico, and the guys just shoot the police and
then take their uniforms and they stop the next car.
But then cage and random guys show up and kill them.
(18:35):
And then I didn't really know. I didn't really know.
I wasn't following it that well.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I don't know what you're talking about, but yeah, I
imagine it was a horrible scene.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It wasn't great, But running with the Devil Stands is
a bold and uncompromising addition to the crime thriller genre
as seen by these scenes.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
So one one note I had that I wrote twice
right was just in case I could not believe the
transitions that they were using to seem the scene with
the SVU of music that don't you watch it on
and fades to black MC plus really I don't remember
(19:20):
it was on Hulu hul. I watched it on MCI.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
The first one I thought was kind of like what
you're talking with AMC plus because like, yeah, like faded
out and then get back in. Turns out, that's just
the editing.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
That's just the movie. That's the way they made the movie.
They chose the movie like that.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It was awful and like the first one was like
obnoxiously long, like if it was a commercial break. I
was like, oh no, But then I started to learn
as it went on it would do him very quickly. Yeah,
it would just it would just fade on back in
ye or somewhere else down. I was like, oh, I
think this is a choice was a good one, but yeah,
(20:01):
yeah it was. It was really frustrating to watch and
the music was atrocious. It was just awful the whole
way through you may not remember.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, the music was awful. It was all like Royalty
free crap, little beat Bob boot bops.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I could have done without, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
But story wise it presents a brutally honest portrayal of
the drugs trade. Drug trades far reaching consequences. There's a
lot of moral complexity that adds layers and depth to
the characters that blurred the lines between right and wrong
in the world.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
If you said the Trump's ethics, if you said these
lines just slightly convincing, I would I would buy like
I could do. I think I could have done that
for this.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Name was the supporting cast, including Leslie Bibb as a
determined DA agent and Barry Pepper as a ruthless enforcer.
I don't know, man, I thought it rounded out the
ensemble perfectly, each character's fully realized.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yep, yep, oh, I did like I did have this
note and I don't know what it means, but I said,
nice entrance for Cole Houser, So I guess he had
a nice entrance.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, Cole, Yeah, noticing him with him just standing in
the corner of the room.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I think I think it was after Lawrence fishburn has
that like weird coke scene with.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Prostitutes intro.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly like that, exactly like that. Yeah,
and it's not It's much better in animated form with
a Horseman than it was with Lawrence fishburn By the way,
I don't really like Lawrence Fishburne. Would be a greater conversation,
but I just don't think he's very good.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I was surprised to see him in this movie because
this is around the same time as like John Wick
two or three or two, But like, like I was like, yeah,
why are you in this? What happened?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Palu? Do you guys remember the other two movies we've
watched with Lawrence Fishberg.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Ooh oh man, he was young. One of them was
The Cotton Club.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
That was the Cotton Club.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm not sure if I remember the other one though,
I feel like there's like the.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Other one was right before the Cotton Club.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, the other Francis Ford Coppola one where he's name
is Smokey Rumblefish.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Frumblefish Yeah right, yeah, nice, full age full We recorded that.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
It was just the sweirst like that's like episodes two
and three.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
We recorded Rumblefish December fifteenth, twenty nineteen in the Cotton
Club January first, January twelve, twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Oh my god, so good polls, Aja, and we haven't
had I got that first one.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Thanks good poles, ag.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Heya. Your poles were both ruthless and terrifying. An incredible
sense of tension.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I was very distracting.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I love I love an event horizon. So I'm just
going through my notes here. It was a pulse pounding
throw ride that will keep you on the go from
start to finish.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'll round out my notes.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
You if you don't uh score this in the nineties,
mister chat But wait, actually, let me ask what it was.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Ask Claude, ask Claude what they would score it, and
we'll we'll have Claude as a special guest. Yes, just
make sure you have featuring Claude. I'll ended reading out
his full Yeah. No, that's perfect, I'll add so yeah,
save Claude, save the rest of Claude for the end. Okay,
give us the full review and I haven't written down.
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We'll get a score from Claude too, it'll be nice.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Oh my god, I just asked it when it would score.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Okay, okay, well yeah, I can't wait, not wait, So
I do have this note. I guess Lawrence Fishburne at
one point said, uh, bitches in the back. I like that.
That was my last note.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I guess, yeah, there's there's a couple. So that that
actually followed up. I think it was. I think it
was a purposeful follow up of what he did, because
when the bitches first got there, one of them had
a strap on, and then she was like, I'm going
to give it to her in the back, and then
he goes and I'm going to give it to you
in the back. And then when the other guy showed
up later, he goes, hey, the bitches are in the back.
(24:38):
And that's again that goes to like the smart writing.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I was actually smart. I didn't connect those thoughts.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, it's a strap on was right in front of
the camera, just dangling.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Did we need the scene or the storyline with Lawrence
fishburn and his.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Daughter, I mean his family that ever is mentioned.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Again, never mentioned again, but he'd like, is late to
her dance recital or whatever? Yeah, we need that.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
The snitch gets to to Laurence Fisheran's place and he's
one he's looking for bitches and and for more coke.
Turns out one of the bitches is dead.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And the ways I think I meant Adam Goldberg pull Houser,
I think Adam Goldberg's entrance was yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Because his was awesome. Yeah, he's just like the super
cool guy.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
He was kind of wild. He felt actually, honestly not
getting any credit here, but he did feel like the
only actor that gave a ship like yeah, you know,
he tried, compared to like everyone else just seems so bored,
you know. And even even Laurence Fisher is surrounded by
coke and prostitutes and all this kind of ship, but
he just seems so bored. I thought Adam Goldberg at
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least injected a little uh, a little life, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And and no, I agree, but I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
I don't know who the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Come on, he's the golden little thing. Yeah yeah, around
my my plumbers.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Here, So okay, go to your plumber, James, to wax Poetic,
go to.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I Will.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Hey see he's got in mushrooms.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Oh maybe he found them, uh in the pipe. He
just finds little mushrooms hidden people's pipes, and he says, hey,
what uh what that gut of these mushrooms doing? He
And then they're like, I don't know you're the plumber
I asked you. And then he's all like, you might
if I take these are my collection. They said, I
don't mind it all, so just fix my plumbing. They said, okay,
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I'll do it.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I'm imagining like a real life plumber that like comes
over to unplog pipe and he's like, oh man, I
don't think I don't think this strain snake's gonna do it.
You have to go down there and I get out
and then just like gets into the pipe and go and.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
He like gets small and no Mario.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And then it turns out there's a whole there's a
whole world on the other side of.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
The whole world. He gets rich collecting coins.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, these little goombas all over the places. By the
time he saves the princess and he ends up back outside,
you know, into the real world, the person's like, sod
you fix it. And he was like, oh ship, I
forgot I was supposed to fix your plumbing, man, And
I got all these gold coins. I don't know what
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to do with them?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Now?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Can I can I spin these? What do I do
with these?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
What do you do with these?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
What does Mario do with all those gold coins?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Mm? Hmm, Yeah, his pockets aren't really bull ja.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know, every one hundred you get like an extra life.
But like, is that a transaction? Like does he's give
the hundred coins to get the one up? Is it
a choice?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Or if he just is eating them and consumes enough
gold it makes him that much more immortal.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
What if they're chocolate gold coins? You know he's just
unwrapping them, and that's why he gets the extra life
because after eats one hundred of them, he just fills
them up with so much life and excitement, just that
these are the things.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Maybe they're mushroom chocolate coins.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I think we should get plumber on here to settle this.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, I know we need an expert opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
This movie sucked.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It's so bad.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
How's your plumbers you?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Okay, we'll see. He had no idea. He thought he
was here to a solid dishwasher, which is part of
what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But little do you know to talk about running with
the devil?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Here to talk about running with running Nicholas.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Cage Podcast awarded or no, we started talking about Mario.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Ah, nice, keep it all in.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah that's what I said.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, this movie it sucked.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I really don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I just I was so bored by it. Oh, I
did want to talk about the moment when Leslie bib
or I'm sorry, when Agent in Charge she's talking to
she's talking to Barry Pepper and and she's just like,
I know, I know what's you guys. I know that
you're running this this drug cartel and and doing all
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this stuff. And he's like, yeah, well you know what
you you know, you know you can't do is prove it.
There's nothing you can do. I always win, no matter what,
and you're gonna lose. And then she just spits on
his table, flips them off, and then walks out. And
I'm like, that's an agent.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
All right. I guess I guess that's the moral complexity.
You know that she tortured some folks. She kills the
cage at the end, Yeah, all because her sister overdosed.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And she keeps having these monologues by the end of it,
just talking about how like, uh, no matter what us
Asians do, there's no way we can stop this fuel
the cycle or whatever, you know, and she's going off
about that and you're waiting for like her and maybe
find the answer and said she just fucking kills cage. Yes,
And I'm like and I'm like, so the writer director
of this worked in the dea. Is this him admitting
(30:39):
or confessing what he's done but in the past or
is this him? Yeah? Exactly, Yeah, And it's it's it
gets to the point where she's like, it's not even
a movie anymore. It barely was the beginning with and
now it's just your manifesto.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
You know, it's crazy, but yeah, I don't know how
they as in this movie are any sex scenes Lawrence
Fisher and yeah, and then there's like the cowboy guy
that has a sex worker he takes.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Home and great, I like the amount of times that
that people are just like, hey, would you cut this
with and he's like, it's a good cut. It is
a good cut. So yeah, these guys are drug guys.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, So that's that's the other thing that can seize.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Me so much, was that Laurence Fishburne is responsible for
cutting the products.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
And then you see that these drug dealers are quick
to kill anybody responsible for cutting the products.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Well, and he's a postage. He betrays Cage by cutting
it and having his own side business.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
With it exactly. But then Cage finds that out knows
this and then choose him to accompany him on this
crazy mission.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
It didn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, he had him admitted to him when they were
in Canada, and that's when Cage found out. So they
were already together at that point. What Cage did find
out was that Adam Goldberg was actually the snitch because
he was taken by agent in charge and then flipped
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h and whenever the gas stationed.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
But I don't think he didn't think Laurence fishburn was
a snitch.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I don't think no, That's what I'm saying, Like he
only was Adam Golden. So they were already on the
trip together. Killed Adam Goldberg because Cage realized that the
FBI were tracking them. They switched it out with that
like other you know guy that they called in the
fixer guy. Uh, and then Laurence Fishburne and Cage continued
to Canada, and it was when they were there that
he found it, because at one point he didn't he
(32:54):
tests it so Cage knows in the back of his
head that something's wrong with it, but they were already
like in motion, and he's like, all right, it's just
you and me out here. I need you to tell me.
Are you cutting my ship with something else? And that's
when Lawrence fisher was like, I am man, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. I started taking the product and I'm not
supposed to. I started storting on myself. I got addicted,
and then I need more money and I did all
this kind of stuff and Cage says, it's okay by me,
(33:17):
but the boss is not gonna like that. And then
Laurence Fisherman turns on him and lets him fall off
the cliff, but not to his death.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
None of this sounds familiar until you got to the cliff.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
It was a spectacular film. I mean, that's gonna story
telling itself.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Was I'm more bored. Yeah, I was more bored at
the movie, bored talking about it. This is yeah, this
is excruciating. I can't imagine. You should get your yourself checked.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
If you're listening to this, it's because you're waiting to
hear that sweet Cloud review at the end.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Please. I think it's kind of notes.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I didn't take any notes.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
There's certainly nothing to discuss about this movie. There's just
not it was. There's just not.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
It's well, were there any James?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Were there any goofs or gaffs or maybe some ghouls?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
There were no ghouls, thankfully for all of us involved.
There were a couple of goofs and gaps. One's kind
of interesting here. Nicholas Cage's name is misspelled as Nicholas
Cage in the credits with an H name. Let's top,
how are you doing that? As the credits.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And the main star and poll of the films?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
All right, we'll read this one together. I haven't read it.
So the snitch is put into handcuffs and change the
change to the ceiling for hours on end. When finally
released to help the Feds, he sits closely with other
the other two drug dealer friends in the living room,
and its wrist shows zero sign of cut marks that
handbucks handcuffs lead behind. In real life, they would have
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immediately noticed those telltale marks had those marks been there,
just telltell marks.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
No makeup team dropping the ball.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, I mean, come on, man, All right, here's another
When the special agent puts her stuff in presumably secure
locker and closes the door. It doesn't latch. This happens
toward the end of the film when she finally turns
the snitch. That editing, I guess the door latches at
the start. I love the opinion, right, I know it's
(35:39):
helpful for that, but man, the.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Movie did have bad editing. That's wait, why.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Are you looking at a locker door?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Stall?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I gave that a helpful by the way, but why
are you looking at that latch? All right? Here? Last one?
The two dead Mexican policia are still breathing.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Next, maybe that's back in the sequel.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I watched you die, sprinting.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
I watched you I assumed you die.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Assumed you died.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, this was sucked.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Man, Well, I think it's going we go to a
little segment I like to call final thoughts and ratings. James,
let's start with you.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
What were you so? I'm done talking about this. I'm
done thinking about this movie so frustrating.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Out of one hundred gages.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I hated that. I hated this movie. I'm not going
to give it a zero out of principle because I
just don't think it deserves any kind of recognition, and
when I look back through the zeros on my life,
I don't want this movie to even have that honor
of being on that list. So I'm going to give
this movie three cages out of one hundred, simply the
(37:12):
three points, just because I don't want to give it
a zero.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Okay, And for the cocaine and cocaine and also.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
That, yeah, I don't I don't know because I don't
remember it.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
But I feel like I'm if I were to watch
this again in the future, I might be like, oh man,
how did I read that?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
So I should read that in eighty.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
I feel like it's like one of those movies for me,
but I don't remember, so I can't. I can't say that.
So we're gonna We're just gonna say.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Thirteen. I don't even have the energy to drawn over
your final thoughts in.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
This One day I might give it an eighty, but
today I'll give it a thirteen.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
If you if you watch this movie again and you
love it, I will I'll give you one thousand dollars.
There's just not I'll split it.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'll give you five hundred.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
There's not a scenario where you're you being honest say
that you love this movie's way.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
That sounds that sounds like easy money because I think
I already like it.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I just forget that. I did. You know what, go
watch take that deal. You guys heard it here first
thousand dollars. I watch it again, spend that.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, everyone, the listeners have heard it. We'll give you
a thousand bucks if you would watch it and give
it an eighty. And I don't think you would.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
So my final thoughts and ratings was that this movie sucked.
It felt very long, it was very boring. Uh, Like
I said, the only credit I'll give it is Adam
goldberga way to show up and try. I mean I
(39:10):
was also talking to like I didn't even like it
felt like Cage and Laurence Fishburne, the two big draws
of the film, were like only together for like three
days on set because it wasn't they don't meet up
to like halfway through the film, and I was like, oh, yeah,
I forgot that they're both in this movie together, you know,
as like business partners or whatever. But yeah, this movie
not fun. Sorry Jason Cabell, but maybe I'm not Maybe
(39:35):
stick with law enforcement and thank you for your service.
I give this a five five out of one hundred
because because they had a good time with Claude.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Okay, yeah, let's hear what Claude had so.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, special guests of the show. Claude wrote a glowing
review Running I actually really liked h with the Devil.
Yeah yeah, I'll read the review and then the score last.
Running with the Devil is a pulse pounding thrill ride
that will keep you on the edge of your seat
from start to finish. This gritty crime thriller boasts powerhouse
(40:16):
performances from Nicholas Cage and Laurence Fishburn, who bring gravitas
and intensity to their roles as key players in an
international drug trafficking operation. Director Jason Cabell, drawing from his
real life experiences in the drug enforcement administration, infuses the
film with raw authenticity and nail biting tension. The intricately
(40:37):
woven plot follows the journey of cocaine from its South
American origins to its final destination, offering a fascinating and
unflinching look at every step of the supply chain. The
cinematography is breathtaking, capturing both the lush beauty and lurking danger.
Of the film's diverse locations, from remote jungles to snow
(40:58):
capped mountains, each setting feels alive with possibility and menace. Finally,
what sets Running with the Devil apart is its refusal
to romanticize its subject matter. Instead, it presents a brutally
honest portrayal of the drug trades far reaching consequences. What
would you give it? Out of one hundred? Cages Claude?
(41:20):
Based on this extremely positive review, I wrote, I would
rate Running with the Devil a ninety five out of
one hundred. This high score reflects the glowing praise given
in the review, highlighting exceptional performances, masterful direction, gripping storytelling,
and technical excellence across various aspects of filmmaking.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Now, both based on the review and the score, it
sounds like Claude may not have watched this movie and
was actually just rating his own review.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
That's what do you say that? It's another paragraph that says. However,
it's important to note that this score is based solely
on the very positive review I was asked to write,
rather than my actual analysis of the film. In reality,
Running with the Devil received mixed reviews.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
For critics and audiences. Oh my god, there you go.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Thank you Claude, Thank you Claude. Good to have you
on as always nice. I mean, yeah, so what what
does that bring? I want to hear wait, I want
to hear our composite score of just our three and
then our composite score that includes Claudes.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Okay, so yeah, I don't think we've actually been this
different on a movie before. I think typically, you know,
we're we're different, but not totally different. But if you
were to take the composite score of just us three
between my three, your five, and ag Is thirteen, you'd
have a seven. But with Claudes ninety five mixed in there,
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we move up to a twenty nine. Wow, twenty nine cages,
which is still terrible. That was this movie, which this
movie would have been our fourth worst ranked movie, but
instead it moves up to uh the numbers. Uh wait, crap,
(43:27):
I did it wrong? Hold on, hold on, So this
becomes our fifteenth worst ranked movie. With twenty nine cages.
It is one point ahead of both Deadfall and Zandali,
and it is two points behind both Time to Kill
a dogg Eat Dog. Now, if you.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Were to ask I think that's where it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, I actually don't.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I don't think is right on track and clothe.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
No, but like it doesn't have it, doesn't. I think
you're enough to have bottom five potential.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Yep, Like it shouldn't be in the category of these
other horrific that he's like.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I just I would if I had to choose, I
would watch Dandi Lee over over this, that's for sure.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
And I don't think that would I would definitely there's
a little art room Zandally is the one where he
pours paint all over himself, right, Yeah, I watched I'd
watch that scene again.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, yeah, that scene.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
But I wouldn't watch many things from this movie again.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
An hour and a half movie.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
So just to compare Zandally, Hank did give it a
forty a j thirty three. I gave it eleven, so
I actually brought the score down further on that one.
Do you guys remember what Doggy Doggie is? I have
no idea what that is.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Was that the one with Willem Dafoe. Oh maybe what's
it called dog dogg Eat Dog?
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, it is with Well twenty sixteen. So we actually
didn't do it that look. Okay, all right, I do
kind of remember this.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
I guess it's Paul Schrader was the film. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I just remember that because William Dafoe these characters mad Dog.
I think we've made a joke being like Willem dad dog.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I think we did make that show.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
That's what you remember.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
I associated it? Yeah, I love Uh well yeah, all right,
well thanks Claude for being on here. Really really exciting episode.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Glad.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
We got to spend all his time in between y'all
watching it and me watching it, and now it's out,
Now it's done. Uh, James, what the freaking heck are
we watching next week?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
So next week we've got one that has at least
slight potential because Nick Cage plays a character named Aaranya.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I think you're gonna say because Nick Cage is in it.
Because Nick, it's always the potential.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
So this is three strangers' lives are inevitably entangled in
a conflict none of them are prepared for. This is
called kill chain. I don't really know what that means,
that they are inevitably entangled in it. I feel like
that's potentially the wrong word there.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
But no matter what, they would be entangled in this
I guess, yeah, I guess so, I guess that's just
the demand. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I actually think I have seen this movie, but I
don't remember a thing about it, So.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Okay, I don't think I have it all. This poster
is not even familiar to me. Will it be better
than running with the double zoned out?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Kill Chain? Kill Chain? I do think it will be
better than running with the Devil, that's my guess.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
I hope.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
So we gotta we gotta like a five video on
demands in a row, don't we.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
This one's on a Prime. This one's on Prime, released
right to prime. So yeah, that's a model equivalent though. Yeah,
answer your question A yes, straight streaming.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, God, just stinker. I can't wait for the kill Chain.
Thanks everyone for listening, listening.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I hope you did it. I hope nobody's listening.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Just us three here.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
This is miserb. I will never think about this movie
or this podcast again.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
This is quality.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Next week.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Quality Until next week, folks, peace out, follow your heart,
love yourselves, and love your book.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
I
Hello, mess, I'm a lieutenant in the police department. I'm
in the middle of a homicide investigation.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Try to get my prescription please.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
The whole time is standing there with this whom.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Me expression on your face?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Have you ever been dragging to the sidewalk and being
tell you best blood?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
No man has spilt more blood in God's name than I.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How in the name of Zeus's buttle did you get
out of yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
What you really think?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I let myself get killed in a garbage truck? Ha, well,
I hit in a soup can roll it all the
way to the city dump because I was made for
this super baby, and I have the care where's my
(01:02):
where's my floating hands? With the note card?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh man?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
AI is only getting better. Hey, welcome to the liquorman. Ah,
you want to talk about running? We're running from AI.
But Cage is running with the devil.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Might as well jump Hey, hey.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well running with the devil. I don't even have anything
pulled up nothing. I don't know, I don't know anything.
Why would I.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I don't the kind of movie that just makes me go,
why are we doing this? I metes or so.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Speaking of speaking of yeah, of of this in cage
I saw I'm not gonna say anything ever first, but
I saw long legs that could take shell. The other
day and one of our friends, I was with the
supporters roommate along with him, and whenever he came out,
you know, one of my friends was like, oh my god,
you guys gonna talk about long legs like like coming
up in your show. And I was like, well, I
mean unfortunately we actually want probably for like a year,
(02:06):
like two years, yeah, but we will eventually get to it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And is it I do want to ask you one
question about long legs, Yeah, because I'm going tonight. I
hate I do. I'm terrible with horror movies, but I
gotta see it. Is it really that scary?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
No, well, that's that's I think. I text you this,
but it's it's it's the same level as scary as
like Signs of the Lambs, where like it's not pop out.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I can handle that.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, it's purely just like tense in your head perfectly,
just like yeah, you've eased my brain. Yeah, so you'll
be okay.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Well, well, widow baby, James, I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Listen color out of Space gave me a couple of freights,
and you know scary movies.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
There's like a little pop here and there, but it's
nothing I would that's yeah, it's not like spooky, got
scary anything, like okay, cool cool. But yeah. So that
my friend's roommate, he was like, wait, what do you
what do you what do you talk? You guys do
a show together, like you do a Nick Cage shows,
like oh yeah. So it was explaining to him what
the Wickerman was and he was like, oh my god,
that sounds amazing. I go, we are all sick of it.
We are all so tired.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, God, damn movies. You know what I'm sick of.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Well, I was trying to explain into Diana the other night,
and it really sounded pretty crazy coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, especially like four years.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
She's like, yeah, what did.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
This end of twenty nineteen? Oh shit, Yeah, we got
like sixty five episodes out during during COVID and then
twenty in the last week.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Like how many movies are there? And we're like, there's
like one hundred and eighty and they're like what I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
We were so confident in ourselves that we were doing
bonus episodes. But I know we do our bonus movies.
But we were doing you know, Joe Exotic, We're doing
little Hey, go see this movie. We go see that movie.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Remember when we did the Wickerman Holiday Special?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
No, yeah, I believe you.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I was like twenty seconds, it was no, it was.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Like four minutes. And and I was cleaning my library
where I store all hor like you know, data, and
and I was like, what the fuck is the the
Wickers Special? And it was like, yeah, Dan was on
British Stand was on it, and he's like the night
it was all good, all of the fright, you know.
We's right, yeah, yeah, right, we had a good time.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Now look at us, we're just phoning it in.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That we're not even fucking no quality, just fucking here's
my problem.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Here's my problem. Every time we do this, we're like
we're out of the valley. We're out of the valley
with Cage Trough. We're good movies. We're out of the trough,
no problems now and then and then it's just this.
It just up right back. It's this, it's kill Chain,
it's primal, it's Grand Isle coming out. I mean, I think, oh,
(05:04):
it's so here's here's where I am with this movie.
We were supposed to record this two weeks ago from today,
so I watched it, Uh two weeks and one day
ago I woke up, So that was a Monday night
on Tuesday morning, the day we were supposed to record,
and I said, well, this isn't good. I don't remember
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a thing about this movie. I guess two weeks later,
I remember even less. So I remember Laurence Fishburne is
in the movie, and that's about the extent. So I'm
literally reading a Wikipedia synopsis of it right now, which
is what I did or wish I did with the
movie instead of watching in the first place.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, probably would have been more since.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, oh, James, what are your first thoughts about this movie?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
There you have it. Those are my.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Well, I'm Hank Kilgore. Joint is always a Jane described
me aj Ponzika, And yeah, this is Running with the
Devil directed by Jason Cabell and written by him as well,
which which is very important to say. This movie it
came out at some point. I don't even care about
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this at all.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So this movie came out of twenty nineteen, which I
think last week we did Color Out of Space, which
came out in twenty twenty, and I think what happened
is we made this list so long, we got some
release dates ended up getting changed.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So this is September twentieth, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, I think, but it's always hard to tell. It's
like I feel like, we look at IMDb, we look
at Wiki Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
It's sometimes too like and they don't blatantly say it,
but sometimes we'll be like, oh, when it actually premiered
at a film festival before?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, exactually in theaters and other things. So if this
was on a film festival that I hope does not exist.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Anymore, I do not think it was. But I do
just want to give a big shout out to the
production company Old Patriot Picked Sures Glad Pictures made this.
And I found out that the director, Jason Cabell, was
a member of the DEA, and so that explained a
lot of the movie and especially the writing, because that's
one thing I really wanted to bring up was it
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was funny because when I first you know, when I
was watching it, I was like, Okay, whoever whoever wrote this, uh,
clearly the worst drug they've ever taken was like advill PM,
you know, or like they just don't know this at all.
And then when it ended, I looked it up and
the guy was a fucking Dea agent.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
God damn it, that's why he knows.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, I mean it's basically it's like it's less of
a story driven film and more of a this is
what the process is from from the farmer down and
South Mexico, you know, growing what you need to make cocaine,
and then the process of getting that all the way
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up to the States, and.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And and how much it hounds keeps going up.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
All right, The cast names are fantastic.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, well this is we need to discuss because you
talk about this going just procedural. They didn't even want
to name any of the cats. This is like reading
a friggin Dea report.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Uh So, Nick Cage plays not Walter White, but but
his his name is the cook. Then Laurence Fishburn is
the man. Then Leslie Bibb is agent in charge, Cole
Hauser is the executioner, Adam Goldberg is the snitch, Barry
Pepper the boss, and then Peter Fatchanelle is number one.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
So hey, let me.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Ask you this if agent in charge.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
If you're going into a bootle. He knows about drugs,
the cartel and everything. You see a character named the Cook,
would you think that it is a cook of drug
you know, someone that's making up the batches, or would
you think it's a guy that every once in a
while it goes into a restaurant in dress clothes, puts
on an apron and cooks in the restaurant.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Which, well, I'm glad you actually asked you a question, James,
because it's strangely relevant here.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I cook.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I think you didn't remember this movie who.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Both knows the rest it's coming back to cocaine, but
also makes a really good pizza. Yeah, Cage runs this
like pizza restaurant, which, like the restaurant itself looks just
like just a regular spot, but like it's like the nicest,
like biggest fucking kitchen in the world. In the background,
and he's got this like like Michelin Star chef like coat,
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you know, the kind of like looks like an overall.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It was infuriating me as someone who worked, you know,
closely with chefs for three or half years. Why was
he wearing dress clothes underneath every time? Not a single
chef in the world would be doing that. But everyone
in this movie, including h who's the other guy that's
cooking sometimes Barry Pepper? Oh yeah, as well, who's the boss?
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Always always wearing dress clothes? Gotta say fancy when you're
tossing that marin nera saus I guess.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Well, yeah, it's better.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
When you're a bus. You do everything like a bus.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Like a bus. Mary Pepper. It's great because his name
is Pepper and we're talking about food. But I did
want to be I did want to be completely honest
about this film. And here's here's what it comes down to.
The film's nonlinear storytelling adds depth and intrigue to an
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already compelling narrative. Personally, I thought Nicholas Cage delivers one
of his most nuanced and captivating performances in years. You know, James.
The haunting musical score perfectly compliments the film's tense atmosphere,
and aj I was specifically thinking about you when I
thought that Laurence Fishburn's portrayal of the man is nothing
sort of mesmerizing.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Who wrote that, Jason Cabbell, Guys.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The action sequences are expertly choreocraft and heart stoppingly realistic.
Where good you want from a film? I mean the
film's expiration of moral ambi ambiguity as layers of philosophical depth.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
What was the moral ambiguity? Come on, it's great, You're right,
You're right. A j did you love this movie?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I want him to answer your question, because if you
don't know what the moral ambiguity is, you didn't write that.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
All that matters is the film's pacings, relentless, never allowing
the audience a moment to catch their breath.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Wow, I don't know where you dug up that review?
Was that? Like? Did you as to say?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Well, I don't know, man, the dialogue crackles with tension
and authenticity. Okay, Roger, I thought it really So it's
funny James that this morning, when we were all texting
about the Plumber thing and you sent the j I
generated because yeah, last night I was watching this and
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just like, God, this is fucking awful and I couldn't
keep it up at all. I wanted to do this
whole episode just reading off. I would said, not chat cheept.
There's another one called Claude, and I like that, And
I typed in, Hey, Claude, write a glowing, extremely positive
review about the twenty nineteen film that's awesome, and then
it sent me this whole amazing review and then afterwards, like, hey,
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just in case, can you send me twenty additional lines
of praise for Running with Itself?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Drop them in, slowly, drop them in.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, yeah, they're so good.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oh god, yeah, heyj what do you what do you
remember of this film?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
If anything?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Did you like him?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It wasn't.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
It wasn't horrific, but it was pretty It was pretty stupid. Yeah,
I I don't remember a whole lot of it because
it's been a while.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I do remember that Nick Cage gets moved fasted.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
But doesn't die, that.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Fall off a cliff and doesn't die. I remember, Yeah,
it was It was very stupid how everything was thought
out in terms of the running of the drugs and
uh hm, I don't know Lauren, like Kate, when Cage
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gets thrown off the cliff, he's wearing his backpack with
the drugs, and then at the end, Lawrence Fishburne has
the backpack.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I didn't catch that either. I didn't like with I
must have fallen.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Off the drugs. That they were even started carrying.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So I remember are actually being angry about this from
the other perspective where Cage falls off the cliff with
the drugs, and then Lawrence Fishburn finds only the backpack
but not Nicholas Kate. So he I do remember him
going down there and finding the backpack.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Well he found one though, that the original one that
he lost in the river. Oh no, no, he found
so how did he get that back That's the thing.
So what I'm pretty sure is what happened, even though
they do not do a good job at showing it is,
is because at that point, when Cage is about to
fall off the cliff, lords Fishburn, he already lost his
backpack because he tripped in the river. Okay, and and
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and mind you, the river was nothing but rocks in
a very faint stream. But somehow this massive, like hundred
pound backpack just soared all the way down and miles
and miles and miles.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And so Cage is like pissed because like what He's like,
we need the backpack.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
We got to get the backpack. Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And so they keep following the and eventually Cage trips
or something, and he's about to fall off a mountain,
but apparently what happens in that time is I guess
his backpack falls off and lands, not off the cliff,
but where they are on the cliff, and.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Cage just happens are known to do and they're always
just falling off your back.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, right before you fall off the cliff. It all
makes sense. And Laurence Fishburne somehow grabs you know, Cage's arms,
but I guess the backpack is just next to them
on the ground.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I saw it last night, and I was very confused.
And so then he drops Cage as his backpack keeps
walking and then happens to find and then find one
from the river because I could frustrating, but I'm pretty
sure that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
The other frustrating thing. And in Laurence Fishburn's defense, Cage
should have died after dropping, you know, fits, or at
least been injured to the point of not being able
to get up and walk away.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, but given those sweet crutches.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, true, true, Laurence Fisher, you're.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
In the middle of the jungle.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That there's a snowy forest, was it?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
He doesn't even try to he doesn't even try to
find Nicholas Cage's body, But then when Nick Cage comes
back later in the movie, he goes, I watched you die,
which is something you usually say when you know, if
you shot someone and you watched them die, not he
would have been like, I watched you fall off a cliff,
maybe right, and.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I assumed you died.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yes, I.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, but I mean, you know, Laurence Fishbern betrayed him.
He completely betrayed him. It's kind of nuts. I mean,
it's that's why, like the film's unflinching look at violence
never feels gratuitous, but it serves the story effectively. That's
what I thought.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I'm that scene. I'm gonna start doing this with movies
a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
So, Hank, you keep commenting on the violence. What was
your favorite violent scene? Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It was probably less the scene and more the fact
that the movies themes of greed, power, and corruption resonate
long after viewing.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
In all honesty, was there like a good action sequence. No,
I honestly don't remember all those.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's because it's it's very procedural and very I mean,
there's like a feel like there's like when the there's
like the one truck, the cartel truck or whatever is
like driving and then gets stopped and oh no, yeah,
it's like in the middle, and there's a helicopter that
starts shooting at him, and they snipe like one of
the guys, and then one of them really smart move
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when you see a sniper above you. He gets out
of the car and runs into an open field.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And then at the same time, though, like like fifteen
army men in ghilli suits just come out of the
bushes where they stopped them and just mow them all down.
I guess that was cool.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, sure it happened. I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was one of the scenes of violence.
Oh there's a scene where the police stopped them also
in Mexico, and the guys just shoot the police and
then take their uniforms and they stop the next car.
But then cage and random guys show up and kill them.
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And then I didn't really know. I didn't really know.
I wasn't following it that well.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I don't know what you're talking about, but yeah, I
imagine it was a horrible scene.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It wasn't great, But running with the Devil Stands is
a bold and uncompromising addition to the crime thriller genre
as seen by these scenes.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
So one one note I had that I wrote twice
right was just in case I could not believe the
transitions that they were using to seem the scene with
the SVU of music that don't you watch it on
and fades to black MC plus really I don't remember
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it was on Hulu hul. I watched it on MCI.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
The first one I thought was kind of like what
you're talking with AMC plus because like, yeah, like faded
out and then get back in. Turns out, that's just
the editing.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
That's just the movie. That's the way they made the movie.
They chose the movie like that.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It was awful and like the first one was like
obnoxiously long, like if it was a commercial break. I
was like, oh no, But then I started to learn
as it went on it would do him very quickly. Yeah,
it would just it would just fade on back in
ye or somewhere else down. I was like, oh, I
think this is a choice was a good one, but yeah,
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yeah it was. It was really frustrating to watch and
the music was atrocious. It was just awful the whole
way through you may not remember.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, the music was awful. It was all like Royalty
free crap, little beat Bob boot bops.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I could have done without, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
But story wise it presents a brutally honest portrayal of
the drugs trade. Drug trades far reaching consequences. There's a
lot of moral complexity that adds layers and depth to
the characters that blurred the lines between right and wrong
in the world.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
If you said the Trump's ethics, if you said these
lines just slightly convincing, I would I would buy like
I could do. I think I could have done that
for this.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Name was the supporting cast, including Leslie Bibb as a
determined DA agent and Barry Pepper as a ruthless enforcer.
I don't know, man, I thought it rounded out the
ensemble perfectly, each character's fully realized.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yep, yep, oh, I did like I did have this
note and I don't know what it means, but I said,
nice entrance for Cole Houser, So I guess he had
a nice entrance.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, Cole, Yeah, noticing him with him just standing in
the corner of the room.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I think I think it was after Lawrence fishburn has
that like weird coke scene with.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Prostitutes intro.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly like that, exactly like that. Yeah,
and it's not It's much better in animated form with
a Horseman than it was with Lawrence fishburn By the way,
I don't really like Lawrence Fishburne. Would be a greater conversation,
but I just don't think he's very good.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I was surprised to see him in this movie because
this is around the same time as like John Wick
two or three or two, But like, like I was like, yeah,
why are you in this? What happened?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Palu? Do you guys remember the other two movies we've
watched with Lawrence Fishberg.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Ooh oh man, he was young. One of them was
The Cotton Club.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
That was the Cotton Club.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm not sure if I remember the other one though,
I feel like there's like the.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Other one was right before the Cotton Club.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, the other Francis Ford Coppola one where he's name
is Smokey Rumblefish.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Frumblefish Yeah right, yeah, nice, full age full We recorded that.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
It was just the sweirst like that's like episodes two
and three.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
We recorded Rumblefish December fifteenth, twenty nineteen in the Cotton
Club January first, January twelve, twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Oh my god, so good polls, Aja, and we haven't
had I got that first one.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Thanks good poles, ag.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Heya. Your poles were both ruthless and terrifying. An incredible
sense of tension.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I was very distracting.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I love I love an event horizon. So I'm just
going through my notes here. It was a pulse pounding
throw ride that will keep you on the go from
start to finish.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'll round out my notes.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
You if you don't uh score this in the nineties,
mister chat But wait, actually, let me ask what it was.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Ask Claude, ask Claude what they would score it, and
we'll we'll have Claude as a special guest. Yes, just
make sure you have featuring Claude. I'll ended reading out
his full Yeah. No, that's perfect, I'll add so yeah,
save Claude, save the rest of Claude for the end. Okay,
give us the full review and I haven't written down.
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We'll get a score from Claude too, it'll be nice.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Oh my god, I just asked it when it would score.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Okay, okay, well yeah, I can't wait, not wait, So
I do have this note. I guess Lawrence Fishburne at
one point said, uh, bitches in the back. I like that.
That was my last note.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I guess, yeah, there's there's a couple. So that that
actually followed up. I think it was. I think it
was a purposeful follow up of what he did, because
when the bitches first got there, one of them had
a strap on, and then she was like, I'm going
to give it to her in the back, and then
he goes and I'm going to give it to you
in the back. And then when the other guy showed
up later, he goes, hey, the bitches are in the back.
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And that's again that goes to like the smart writing.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I was actually smart. I didn't connect those thoughts.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, it's a strap on was right in front of
the camera, just dangling.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Did we need the scene or the storyline with Lawrence
fishburn and his.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Daughter, I mean his family that ever is mentioned.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Again, never mentioned again, but he'd like, is late to
her dance recital or whatever? Yeah, we need that.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
The snitch gets to to Laurence Fisheran's place and he's
one he's looking for bitches and and for more coke.
Turns out one of the bitches is dead.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And the ways I think I meant Adam Goldberg pull Houser,
I think Adam Goldberg's entrance was yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Because his was awesome. Yeah, he's just like the super
cool guy.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
He was kind of wild. He felt actually, honestly not
getting any credit here, but he did feel like the
only actor that gave a ship like yeah, you know,
he tried, compared to like everyone else just seems so bored,
you know. And even even Laurence Fisher is surrounded by
coke and prostitutes and all this kind of ship, but
he just seems so bored. I thought Adam Goldberg at
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least injected a little uh, a little life, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And and no, I agree, but I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
I don't know who the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Come on, he's the golden little thing. Yeah yeah, around
my my plumbers.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Here, So okay, go to your plumber, James, to wax Poetic,
go to.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I Will.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Hey see he's got in mushrooms.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Oh maybe he found them, uh in the pipe. He
just finds little mushrooms hidden people's pipes, and he says, hey,
what uh what that gut of these mushrooms doing? He
And then they're like, I don't know you're the plumber
I asked you. And then he's all like, you might
if I take these are my collection. They said, I
don't mind it all, so just fix my plumbing. They said, okay,
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I'll do it.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I'm imagining like a real life plumber that like comes
over to unplog pipe and he's like, oh man, I
don't think I don't think this strain snake's gonna do it.
You have to go down there and I get out
and then just like gets into the pipe and go and.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
He like gets small and no Mario.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And then it turns out there's a whole there's a
whole world on the other side of.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
The whole world. He gets rich collecting coins.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, these little goombas all over the places. By the
time he saves the princess and he ends up back outside,
you know, into the real world, the person's like, sod
you fix it. And he was like, oh ship, I
forgot I was supposed to fix your plumbing, man, And
I got all these gold coins. I don't know what
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to do with them?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Now?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Can I can I spin these? What do I do
with these?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
What do you do with these?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
What does Mario do with all those gold coins?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Mm? Hmm, Yeah, his pockets aren't really bull ja.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know, every one hundred you get like an extra life.
But like, is that a transaction? Like does he's give
the hundred coins to get the one up? Is it
a choice?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Or if he just is eating them and consumes enough
gold it makes him that much more immortal.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
What if they're chocolate gold coins? You know he's just
unwrapping them, and that's why he gets the extra life
because after eats one hundred of them, he just fills
them up with so much life and excitement, just that
these are the things.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Maybe they're mushroom chocolate coins.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I think we should get plumber on here to settle this.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, I know we need an expert opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
This movie sucked.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It's so bad.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
How's your plumbers you?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Okay, we'll see. He had no idea. He thought he
was here to a solid dishwasher, which is part of
what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But little do you know to talk about running with
the devil?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Here to talk about running with running Nicholas.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Cage Podcast awarded or no, we started talking about Mario.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Ah, nice, keep it all in.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah that's what I said.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, this movie it sucked.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I really don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I just I was so bored by it. Oh, I
did want to talk about the moment when Leslie bib
or I'm sorry, when Agent in Charge she's talking to
she's talking to Barry Pepper and and she's just like,
I know, I know what's you guys. I know that
you're running this this drug cartel and and doing all
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this stuff. And he's like, yeah, well you know what
you you know, you know you can't do is prove it.
There's nothing you can do. I always win, no matter what,
and you're gonna lose. And then she just spits on
his table, flips them off, and then walks out. And
I'm like, that's an agent.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
All right. I guess I guess that's the moral complexity.
You know that she tortured some folks. She kills the
cage at the end, Yeah, all because her sister overdosed.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And she keeps having these monologues by the end of it,
just talking about how like, uh, no matter what us
Asians do, there's no way we can stop this fuel
the cycle or whatever, you know, and she's going off
about that and you're waiting for like her and maybe
find the answer and said she just fucking kills cage. Yes,
And I'm like and I'm like, so the writer director
of this worked in the dea. Is this him admitting
(30:39):
or confessing what he's done but in the past or
is this him? Yeah? Exactly, Yeah, And it's it's it
gets to the point where she's like, it's not even
a movie anymore. It barely was the beginning with and
now it's just your manifesto.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
You know, it's crazy, but yeah, I don't know how
they as in this movie are any sex scenes Lawrence
Fisher and yeah, and then there's like the cowboy guy
that has a sex worker he takes.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Home and great, I like the amount of times that
that people are just like, hey, would you cut this
with and he's like, it's a good cut. It is
a good cut. So yeah, these guys are drug guys.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, So that's that's the other thing that can seize.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Me so much, was that Laurence Fishburne is responsible for
cutting the products.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
And then you see that these drug dealers are quick
to kill anybody responsible for cutting the products.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Well, and he's a postage. He betrays Cage by cutting
it and having his own side business.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
With it exactly. But then Cage finds that out knows
this and then choose him to accompany him on this
crazy mission.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
It didn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, he had him admitted to him when they were
in Canada, and that's when Cage found out. So they
were already together at that point. What Cage did find
out was that Adam Goldberg was actually the snitch because
he was taken by agent in charge and then flipped
(32:28):
h and whenever the gas stationed.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
But I don't think he didn't think Laurence fishburn was
a snitch.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I don't think no, That's what I'm saying, Like he
only was Adam Golden. So they were already on the
trip together. Killed Adam Goldberg because Cage realized that the
FBI were tracking them. They switched it out with that
like other you know guy that they called in the
fixer guy. Uh, and then Laurence Fishburne and Cage continued
to Canada, and it was when they were there that
he found it, because at one point he didn't he
(32:54):
tests it so Cage knows in the back of his
head that something's wrong with it, but they were already
like in motion, and he's like, all right, it's just
you and me out here. I need you to tell me.
Are you cutting my ship with something else? And that's
when Lawrence fisher was like, I am man, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. I started taking the product and I'm not
supposed to. I started storting on myself. I got addicted,
and then I need more money and I did all
this kind of stuff and Cage says, it's okay by me,
(33:17):
but the boss is not gonna like that. And then
Laurence Fisherman turns on him and lets him fall off
the cliff, but not to his death.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
None of this sounds familiar until you got to the cliff.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
It was a spectacular film. I mean, that's gonna story
telling itself.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Was I'm more bored. Yeah, I was more bored at
the movie, bored talking about it. This is yeah, this
is excruciating. I can't imagine. You should get your yourself checked.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
If you're listening to this, it's because you're waiting to
hear that sweet Cloud review at the end.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Please. I think it's kind of notes.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I didn't take any notes.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
There's certainly nothing to discuss about this movie. There's just
not it was. There's just not.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
It's well, were there any James?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Were there any goofs or gaffs or maybe some ghouls?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
There were no ghouls, thankfully for all of us involved.
There were a couple of goofs and gaps. One's kind
of interesting here. Nicholas Cage's name is misspelled as Nicholas
Cage in the credits with an H name. Let's top,
how are you doing that? As the credits.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And the main star and poll of the films?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
All right, we'll read this one together. I haven't read it.
So the snitch is put into handcuffs and change the
change to the ceiling for hours on end. When finally
released to help the Feds, he sits closely with other
the other two drug dealer friends in the living room,
and its wrist shows zero sign of cut marks that
handbucks handcuffs lead behind. In real life, they would have
(35:06):
immediately noticed those telltale marks had those marks been there,
just telltell marks.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
No makeup team dropping the ball.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, I mean, come on, man, All right, here's another
When the special agent puts her stuff in presumably secure
locker and closes the door. It doesn't latch. This happens
toward the end of the film when she finally turns
the snitch. That editing, I guess the door latches at
the start. I love the opinion, right, I know it's
(35:39):
helpful for that, but man, the.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Movie did have bad editing. That's wait, why.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Are you looking at a locker door?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Stall?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I gave that a helpful by the way, but why
are you looking at that latch? All right? Here? Last one?
The two dead Mexican policia are still breathing.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Next, maybe that's back in the sequel.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I watched you die, sprinting.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
I watched you I assumed you die.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Assumed you died.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, this was sucked.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Man, Well, I think it's going we go to a
little segment I like to call final thoughts and ratings. James,
let's start with you.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
What were you so? I'm done talking about this. I'm
done thinking about this movie so frustrating.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Out of one hundred gages.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I hated that. I hated this movie. I'm not going
to give it a zero out of principle because I
just don't think it deserves any kind of recognition, and
when I look back through the zeros on my life,
I don't want this movie to even have that honor
of being on that list. So I'm going to give
this movie three cages out of one hundred, simply the
(37:12):
three points, just because I don't want to give it
a zero.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Okay, And for the cocaine and cocaine and also.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
That, yeah, I don't I don't know because I don't
remember it.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
But I feel like I'm if I were to watch
this again in the future, I might be like, oh man,
how did I read that?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
So I should read that in eighty.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
I feel like it's like one of those movies for me,
but I don't remember, so I can't. I can't say that.
So we're gonna We're just gonna say.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Thirteen. I don't even have the energy to drawn over
your final thoughts in.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
This One day I might give it an eighty, but
today I'll give it a thirteen.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
If you if you watch this movie again and you
love it, I will I'll give you one thousand dollars.
There's just not I'll split it.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'll give you five hundred.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
There's not a scenario where you're you being honest say
that you love this movie's way.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
That sounds that sounds like easy money because I think
I already like it.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I just forget that. I did. You know what, go
watch take that deal. You guys heard it here first
thousand dollars. I watch it again, spend that.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, everyone, the listeners have heard it. We'll give you
a thousand bucks if you would watch it and give
it an eighty. And I don't think you would.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
So my final thoughts and ratings was that this movie sucked.
It felt very long, it was very boring. Uh, Like
I said, the only credit I'll give it is Adam
goldberga way to show up and try. I mean I
(39:10):
was also talking to like I didn't even like it
felt like Cage and Laurence Fishburne, the two big draws
of the film, were like only together for like three
days on set because it wasn't they don't meet up
to like halfway through the film, and I was like, oh, yeah,
I forgot that they're both in this movie together, you know,
as like business partners or whatever. But yeah, this movie
not fun. Sorry Jason Cabell, but maybe I'm not Maybe
(39:35):
stick with law enforcement and thank you for your service.
I give this a five five out of one hundred
because because they had a good time with Claude.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Okay, yeah, let's hear what Claude had so.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, special guests of the show. Claude wrote a glowing
review Running I actually really liked h with the Devil.
Yeah yeah, I'll read the review and then the score last.
Running with the Devil is a pulse pounding thrill ride
that will keep you on the edge of your seat
from start to finish. This gritty crime thriller boasts powerhouse
(40:16):
performances from Nicholas Cage and Laurence Fishburn, who bring gravitas
and intensity to their roles as key players in an
international drug trafficking operation. Director Jason Cabell, drawing from his
real life experiences in the drug enforcement administration, infuses the
film with raw authenticity and nail biting tension. The intricately
(40:37):
woven plot follows the journey of cocaine from its South
American origins to its final destination, offering a fascinating and
unflinching look at every step of the supply chain. The
cinematography is breathtaking, capturing both the lush beauty and lurking danger.
Of the film's diverse locations, from remote jungles to snow
(40:58):
capped mountains, each setting feels alive with possibility and menace. Finally,
what sets Running with the Devil apart is its refusal
to romanticize its subject matter. Instead, it presents a brutally
honest portrayal of the drug trades far reaching consequences. What
would you give it? Out of one hundred? Cages Claude?
(41:20):
Based on this extremely positive review, I wrote, I would
rate Running with the Devil a ninety five out of
one hundred. This high score reflects the glowing praise given
in the review, highlighting exceptional performances, masterful direction, gripping storytelling,
and technical excellence across various aspects of filmmaking.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Now, both based on the review and the score, it
sounds like Claude may not have watched this movie and
was actually just rating his own review.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
That's what do you say that? It's another paragraph that says. However,
it's important to note that this score is based solely
on the very positive review I was asked to write,
rather than my actual analysis of the film. In reality,
Running with the Devil received mixed reviews.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
For critics and audiences. Oh my god, there you go.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Thank you Claude, Thank you Claude. Good to have you
on as always nice. I mean, yeah, so what what
does that bring? I want to hear wait, I want
to hear our composite score of just our three and
then our composite score that includes Claudes.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Okay, so yeah, I don't think we've actually been this
different on a movie before. I think typically, you know,
we're we're different, but not totally different. But if you
were to take the composite score of just us three
between my three, your five, and ag Is thirteen, you'd
have a seven. But with Claudes ninety five mixed in there,
(43:07):
we move up to a twenty nine. Wow, twenty nine cages,
which is still terrible. That was this movie, which this
movie would have been our fourth worst ranked movie, but
instead it moves up to uh the numbers. Uh wait, crap,
(43:27):
I did it wrong? Hold on, hold on, So this
becomes our fifteenth worst ranked movie. With twenty nine cages.
It is one point ahead of both Deadfall and Zandali,
and it is two points behind both Time to Kill
a dogg Eat Dog. Now, if you.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Were to ask I think that's where it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, I actually don't.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I don't think is right on track and clothe.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
No, but like it doesn't have it, doesn't. I think
you're enough to have bottom five potential.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Yep, Like it shouldn't be in the category of these
other horrific that he's like.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I just I would if I had to choose, I
would watch Dandi Lee over over this, that's for sure.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
And I don't think that would I would definitely there's
a little art room Zandally is the one where he
pours paint all over himself, right, Yeah, I watched I'd
watch that scene again.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, yeah, that scene.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
But I wouldn't watch many things from this movie again.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
An hour and a half movie.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
So just to compare Zandally, Hank did give it a
forty a j thirty three. I gave it eleven, so
I actually brought the score down further on that one.
Do you guys remember what Doggy Doggie is? I have
no idea what that is.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Was that the one with Willem Dafoe. Oh maybe what's
it called dog dogg Eat Dog?
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, it is with Well twenty sixteen. So we actually
didn't do it that look. Okay, all right, I do
kind of remember this.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
I guess it's Paul Schrader was the film. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I just remember that because William Dafoe these characters mad Dog.
I think we've made a joke being like Willem dad dog.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I think we did make that show.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
That's what you remember.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
I associated it? Yeah, I love Uh well yeah, all right,
well thanks Claude for being on here. Really really exciting episode.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Glad.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
We got to spend all his time in between y'all
watching it and me watching it, and now it's out,
Now it's done. Uh, James, what the freaking heck are
we watching next week?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
So next week we've got one that has at least
slight potential because Nick Cage plays a character named Aaranya.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I think you're gonna say because Nick Cage is in it.
Because Nick, it's always the potential.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
So this is three strangers' lives are inevitably entangled in
a conflict none of them are prepared for. This is
called kill chain. I don't really know what that means,
that they are inevitably entangled in it. I feel like
that's potentially the wrong word there.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
But no matter what, they would be entangled in this
I guess, yeah, I guess so, I guess that's just
the demand. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I actually think I have seen this movie, but I
don't remember a thing about it, So.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Okay, I don't think I have it all. This poster
is not even familiar to me. Will it be better
than running with the double zoned out?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Kill Chain? Kill Chain? I do think it will be
better than running with the Devil, that's my guess.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
I hope.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
So we gotta we gotta like a five video on
demands in a row, don't we.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
This one's on a Prime. This one's on Prime, released
right to prime. So yeah, that's a model equivalent though. Yeah,
answer your question A yes, straight streaming.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, God, just stinker. I can't wait for the kill Chain.
Thanks everyone for listening, listening.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I hope you did it. I hope nobody's listening.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Just us three here.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
This is miserb. I will never think about this movie
or this podcast again.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
This is quality.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Next week.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Quality Until next week, folks, peace out, follow your heart,
love yourselves, and love your book.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
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