Ep. 91 - “Grand Isle" (2019)

Well come on down now and getchoo some of that nice, ice-cold sweet tea on this hot summer's day... OH MY GOD IT'S A HURRICANE! OH MY GOD IT'S NIC CAGE! OH MY GOD HE'S A WAR VETERAN! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S THE WEEKLY PODCAST SHOW!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, mess, I'm a lieutenant in the police department.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm in the middle of a homicide investigation.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Try I get my prescription please.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
The whole time is standing there with this whom.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Me expression on your face?

Speaker 5 (00:21):
Have you ever been dragging to the sidewalk and being.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
To you best blood?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
No man has spilt more blood in God's name than I.
How in the name of Zeus's buttle did you get
out of yourself?

Speaker 4 (00:38):
What you really think?

Speaker 5 (00:39):
I let myself get killed in a garbage truck.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Ha Well, I hit in a soup can roll it
all the way to the city dump.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Because I was made for this, super baby.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
And I am the cat whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Back to our weekly podcast every week on the dots,
moving right along, boy boy. This this week we watched
grand Isle. I'm just we're just getting to it. Don't
care anymore? Uh now, grand Isle, you're not.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Doing your whole I've been begging you for and now
we have six months seven months off.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
You hated.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
We change the name of the podcast to Weekly Podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, we're now Weekly.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Weekly Podcast, the Weekly Podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
We change all of the movie posters.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
We don't do bits anymore, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
You know one time set Denny's and I was so hungry.
I haven't eaten for six weeks, six weeks because I
wanted to get there, and I wanted that grand Slam
that you're doing, you know, that sweet deal, bacon eggs,
everything right or to the meal. Waitress brings it out
to me and she says, I'm gonna tell you something

(02:03):
just between us, and I said, as my close personal
custom wait, yeah, that sounds that sounds really great. And
she said, I can hand this to you here, or
I can take you somewhere special you can eat it there.
And I said that sounds pretty good to me. Next
thing I know, blacked out, don't know what's going on.
I'm in an airplane. I wake up and I'm on

(02:24):
an island by myself, not Tanya's mind you. There's no
there's Lobo or a blue blue the man. Blue Blue
is the gorilla. Lobo was the man.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah that's right, Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
But they weren't here. They weren't there, right, And so
I'm looking around and all I see is me coconuts,
palm trees, and a sweet grand slam. And I look
around and say, damn, is this not one grand isle or.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
What see you know, I thought you were going to
go to the target route like you were walking in whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
No, I don't know why I asked for that. I
could have just let it go. I think it's because
he didn't say the Wickerman, and he just said welcome
to the Weekly Podcast and then just got right into it,
and I just well, it's I just felt like vibes Wroth.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's the Weekly podcast starring the Wickerman, which is one
of them. I'm thank and as always every week we're
here with James Crouch yep, and and are so weekly
other person Ahja Panzika, that's not my name. Yeah, I'm sorry,
Uh squigglicious squigglicious.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I always give that resident guest on the show.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
You said that last time.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Said he says it every time he said it, all
ninety two episodes.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
It's who I am.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
It's just that is the flavor that I bring to
this cacophony.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's fair in your own mind. I mean it's not
the truth, but whatever, So grand Isle This is came
out December sixth, twenty nineteen, directed by Stephen Campanelli, starring
of course, Nicholas Cage, Is Walter, Katie Strickland is Fancy
Luke word is Buddy a special appearance by Kelsey Grammer
who for one day to film.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yes, clearly, I can't believe they got him in a
second location. That was the most shocking part.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Emily Marie Palmer's Lisa and Zulaw is Detective Newton. I
think that's everyone that matters here. But but my sources
indicate to me that this film was not originally called
grand Isle. I think I think, James, you can explain
a little more there.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yeah, hey, I'm glad you brought that up and totally naturally,
and I didn't ask you to do that before we
started recording. Yeah, no, this originally was called Fancy Buddy
and Mister Walter.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
No it wasn't, I.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Think com clearly see Buddy and mister Walter.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
I can't say I felt like the title grand Isle
was a great title, but after hearing Fancy Buddy and
mister Walter, I would have totally shifted the entire movie.
I wouldn't have been what this was. So I think
they made the right choice.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
They made the right choice. And that's funny we say
that because the whole time I'm like, why did they?
I mean, I get that it's set in Grand Dial,
but really it's just in a house. Why is it
Grand Isle? Yeah, which I've been to Grand Dial many
times in my life.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
The real one I was gonna ask, Yeah, I was
gonna ask.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And this one really brought me back.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Did you feel at home?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, made me feel at home due to the hurricane.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Was it her? Was it her accent?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Her?

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, her Southern bell.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah. She sounded like she was in the nineteen sixties,
like like slavery had just ended and she was trying
to figure out how to run her.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Nineteen eighty eight and she's just like, well, I don't
know about that, but she was.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah, it was. It was ridiculous and I.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Make you a mint, Julip Buddy. Yeah, this movie, well, okay,
what do you okay, what do you'all thought? What are
your first thoughts?

Speaker 5 (05:58):
I'll hop in here. I actually really enjoyed this movie.
So let's say this.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Run time preface. Actually, I'm sorry I asked you. Let
me let me preface. I saw going into this and
you can't always go by these kind of ratings. But
Rotten Tomatoes gave it a nine percent.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah, IMDb four point seven.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, so I was expecting utter trash. Yeah, that wasn't
the case. There's a lot to talk about, but that
wasn't the case.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
So for the first hour and fifteen minutes of this movie,
I actually thought my score might might be creeping into
like the eighties. I thought it was pretty damn and
then I thought the ending was so horrendous that I
wanted to erase it from my memory. Because you have
the well, we could get into it, but my initial

(06:43):
thought is just you have this movie that I think
has like a pretty interesting setup. It's kind of got
like a sexy thriller vibe going to it, like a
little bit of mister or missus Smith as well, where
they're you know, kind of trying to take each other
out and then and then they just completely lost the
plot of the movie. So that was my initial take,
AJ what about you.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean, finding it on YouTube for free with
no ads was not a good sign.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
But right off the bat it did surprise me.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
You know, like it starts with you know, the house
getting robbed, and then Cage is like, you picked the
wrong house, motherfucker, and shoots the guy and he falls
to defense, and then like it opens into this interrogation
scene and the way that they set it up, it
really makes you like wonder and think, like, is this.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
The guy that just got shot?

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Did he survive?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Half the movie realized?

Speaker 5 (07:44):
And I want to say this because I'm glad you
said that. Aj. I think IMDb did this movie dirty.
I didn't. I didn't read this until after. But the
the plot on IMDb, or like the one sentence tagline
that tells you about the movie says, a young father
is charged with murder and must prove his innocence by

(08:05):
recalling a very dark, twisted night of events. I'm with you.
I was watching this and I thought it was the
guy who got shot and then some other crazy shit
went down.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, I thought I thought it was cage even it
was like take off the young part. But I was like,
oh this, but there's something else. Yeah, yeah, seen turns
out none of that.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
That was a very templete guy.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
It was.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
It throws you for a loop, and it made my
brain be interested in the movie, and I'm like, oh, okay,
they fooled me once, I'll give them my attention.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Let's see, let's see where this builds to.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
And then it's kind of like a slow burn intro
and then it gets pretty crazy in the middle and uh,
but yeah, my initial.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Thought was like, hmm, all right, let me give it
a chance. I'll tell you where it lost me.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Though, as as a proficient builder and home remodeler.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Guy shows up to fix a three foot section of fence,
like small fence. You don't have to set posts or anything.
You just have to install like maybe six pickets onto
a fence. And it took the kid all day. He
got maybe two pickets in like eight hours of work.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
But they keep showing and put the first one down
but never never know.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
It made me so bad.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
As a television graphics operator. I watched that and said,
I could do this in two hours. What is he
so worried about with that? Why would they not have
made it like a bigger like if the guy drove
his car through the fence, Like I don't, I'm with you, aj,
Why would it be fix little pickets. It's not believable
for anybody.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
It was not believable that I, as a visual effects coordinator,
I thought even I could fix that fence a couple
of hours. No, it was so dom and so like
just to just to to explain a little bit. Yeah,
this guy is robbing from Cage's house, Cage shoots him dead.
Then the guy breaks through the fence when he's trying

(10:14):
to escape. That's why the fence is broken. Then we
cut to Kelsey Detective Kelsey Grammar and this other guy
who you think is the guy that probably got at
least I thought that, and then no, he's just the
guy that they hired the next day to come fix
the fence. I also want to point out on our
last episode, not Tiny's Island, but our last Cage one Primal,

(10:34):
we talked about it was named Fomka, who played Gene Gray.
So I also wanted to say, now in our next
Cage movie, we have Kelsey Grammer, who played Beast in
the x Ah. I'm hoping that we're gonna slowly get
all the original X Men cast.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Well, we'll get we'll get I guess he's in the
new one. I was gonna say, we'll get other Beast
when we do rent Nicholas Hoult with Nicholas Fult. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
True, we're gonna start getting the new people we need
James McAvoy movie. All right, we'll get there, but that's
that's for all of our avid listeners. That was about
nine months ago.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
Exactly episodes hot. How awesome was Cage in this movie,
especially like right from the jump his facial hair ever
so good.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
The only thing that that got me was when he
would sometimes do a fake Cajun accent and then sometimes.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
And I don't really know what he was trying to do.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
You know what actually really confused me. So the movie opens,
It doesn't open with the robbery. It opens with that
little girl, those two little girls coming to the house
and the woman, and then after that happens, it then
flashes nineteen eighty eight, so it makes you think that
it's going to be some kind of flashback, and that

(11:51):
really confused me. Edit.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
The editing in this film was one of its worst.
Uh was one of the bigger problems. Yeah, it say
the writing is number one because of the ending in
some bits, but the editor didn't know what the fuck
was going on until they finally just had the house stuff. Yeah,
everything else, everything outside of the house. I hated everything
within the house.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, yes, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Which is most of the movies in the house. But yeah,
it's like it's just this, like her name is fancy
and she and her husband, Cage, I guess, have this
thing that they're doing and they're kind of fucking with
this guy Buddy. He's trying to fix their fans but
then gets stuck Hurricane.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
Are they fucking with him?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Though?

Speaker 5 (12:31):
This is this is another issue I had and a
maybe you could dig into the mind of the writer here,
squiggle ishous, maybe you could dig into the mind of
the writer here.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
But what I have a court appointment of virtual court
appointment next week, okay, and I'm really hoping I remember
to change my name before I signed.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I hope you don't.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
So here's where I need answers. Were they fucking with
each other? Or were they not? Because one, here's here's
my case for why they weren't. Were, And here's my
case for why they weren't. I think they were because
they team up at the end to try to get
him so that way they don't get exposed. Cage ends up,

(13:19):
you know, basically killing himself too because he can't be
with her. All that stuff. The reasons why I think
they weren't One, Cage gets cyanide into his eyeballs. Oh,
and that was why I thought so too, Because Cage
gets cyanide into his eyeballs and makes no reaction. It
was as if water was tossed into his eyeballs. So
then I was like, was that actually cyanide? But then

(13:41):
later Kage is talking about how she actually wanted to
run away with with Buddy. Fancy actually wanted to run
away with Buddy, and Cage does not agree with what
she's doing in the basement. So I could not figure
out what they were trying to tell me if these
two were together or not.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think they were. They were in on it together,
and I think he really loved her, but I don't
think he fully agreed with the basement. But I think
he just kept going with it.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
So did he try to kill her or No?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
No.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I don't think she tried to, but I think he.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Was part of their weird I think he wanted to
kill her, but he couldn't because she had a voodoo
doll of him.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
The doll and did nothing with it.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
I think I think he might be right Aja.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, but the fact that he ran away when the
cops came and that he left her makes you think.
I think they were both in on it together, but
he was also okay kind of either way.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Because I do think he tries to kill her in
this movie. I do think he genuinely. And that is
the craziest thing to me, is that he gives this
guy cyanide, right then he gives Buddy sinide and he
wants him to go kill Fancy, and Buddy walks into
the bathroom and Fancy's there having a bath, and not
only do these two then make sweet, passionate love with

(14:58):
each other, they then fall asleep in each other's arms
on the bathroom floor for like hours.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
I was a little curious about the timeline, and.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Cage is just sitting down there, still battling up his windows.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
He's he's yeah, he's also putting wooden boards on his
windows for the hurricane that's already been there for like
four hours.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
You know, That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, it's I had you know. Okay, there's a really
good movie in there. They over complicated it, but it's
really good. It's a really good and I'm not really
into this kind of thing, but it worked. There's a good,
like erotic thriller, and you don't the wife is coming
on to the young carpenter guy. He's trying to just
to get some money because he needs money for his kid.
And I thought the I thought the acting they all

(15:44):
did pretty good. I was like totally there on Buddy.
I was like, Okay, this guy, this is good. I'm
in you know. But then it starts loading up stuff
of like everything because it's basically gets set as flashbacks
while he's talking to Detective Kelsey Grammar explaining his side
of the story, which one got really complicated because once
you get to the part where you realize how he

(16:05):
gets set up to get arrested after telling Kelsey the
whole story, you're like, hold on, why did the police,
Like why are they treating Kelsey Grammar's ripping on this
guy the whole time? And it doesn't make any sense
by the time you get to the end of the movie.
But you could have just had a simple movie where
there was no police investigation during the thing. Just have
the guy, oh I got called to go fix a
fence go there and then tell the story that they

(16:27):
told up until like they leave the house.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
Yeah. Well it was weird too, right because like it
was so cage and what was his name? Mister Walter
and Fancy are happy to give the one dead body.
They're happy to plant the one dead body of evidence.
But they're assuming that this guy's not going to recount
his entire evening, that even his wife knew he was there,

(16:53):
and and someone else knew he was there. Whoever got
him at fence.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Job the first day trying to do I mean, I
think vaguely I get that. Okay, they played at one
point Fancy medically can't have children of her own, and
so eventually about in the movie, they're always talking about
what's in the basement. What's in the basement. Eventually you
find out although you really don't see anything which is annoing.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
Well, this makes no sense too. They say that they
were kidnapping people to force them to have children. They
weren't kidnapping children, which they do kidnap children because they
kidnapped the two girl scouts, So what what.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
You also only see because the second they flash a newspaper.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
They do the Yeah, they flash a newspaper to show
you they kidnapped the girl Scouts.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, it was like they just threw that in. Literally
they're like, oh yeah, what about the girl Scouts.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Oh just it was very strange, like the idea of
farming your own children, so like stealing teenagers, making them
have sex and conceive, and then like that you're gonna
like have the girl have the baby in the house
and then kill her and take the baby and make
the baby think that go steal a baby that would

(18:03):
never know.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Well that this movie makes a lot more sense if
if throughout the whole movie there's like a sixteen year
old in the house.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Right who's kind of just meek and doesn't really say much.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
Exactly, and then it turns out, oh, he's one of
those babies or whatever. But apparently they've just had no
success their basement.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Apparently when you do go down the basement of this
old like plantation home made out of wood and everything,
and you get down there, it's suddenly like a like
a concrete prison with multiple like it's.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
The world's biggest basement. There's like seventy five rooms. It's huge.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
It's it's bigger than the basement and a barbarian you know,
like but yeah, well, okay, I just want to get
there because this was like I want to get to
the reason why this movie completely fell apart. So Cage
is a Vietnam War veteran and and you know, he
has a lot of like trauma that came from that
apparently his whole he's telling that Buddy that like his

(19:04):
whole unit at one point got wiped out. He was
a sole survivor. And the whole movie he's just down
on alcohol left and right, you know. And they relayed
a little bit because Buddy is a was he in
the navy, and he also lost a lot of his
people during an incident whatever. Now I don't know when
that would have been, because Buddy was clearly like supposed
to be like twenty years old, yeah, sure, and first year.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
And by the way, was an incident that Cage had
heard about.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Right, yes, yeah, But so Cage is already a little
he's he's already you know, out there, and he's complaining
about like it's the classic sort of post Vietnam thing
of just like, oh, the government never took care of us,
blah blah blah blah blah, everyone hates us. Right, and
again he's all scraggly haired and disgusting the whole movie.
He looks awesome, though, he does. And then long story

(19:53):
short of all, when when Buddy finally is able to
convince the police that he didn't have anything to do
with whatever's going on the house. Cage escapes and runs
away for allegedly months or whatever. Buddy's wife ends up
just getting upset with him and leaves him for a while.
So Buddy's just sad and out a diner or whatever,

(20:13):
and then suddenly you just hear gunshots and they go
outside and Cage is there, and now he looks like
normal Nick Cage. He's got his nice hair and his shame.
I'm pretty sure he was just filming another movie and
they yeah, crazy hair that they had. He's wearing his
like lieutenant costume or whatever, his uniform. That's that's the

(20:34):
point is, that's nuts. We're this is already becoming a
completely different movie, and he's holding the girl friend.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
When I saw it, I thought I led you guys
astray because I was like, oh, YouTube didn't upload the
whole movie. Because when I saw there was like eight
minutes left and we're at this point. I'm like, surely
there's way what are we doing you guys.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I was like, hold on, I got like ten minutes.
I thought it was like just gonna be long credits.
I don't know why. And then it just becomes this
whole other movie about this guy who's upset about being
treated poorly from the war, which has nothing to do
with the erotic thriller or the kids in the basement
or the kidnapping or fancy or anything. It's a completely
different movie plot just just thrown in there at the end.

(21:13):
And then and then Cage like shouts like gunslingers. It
just runs out and gets blasted by like forty.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Cops by or suicide by cop. It was one of
the worst endings I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
It was so bad that James, like you were saying earlier,
we were in like an eighty territory and I'm like, oh,
all right, this is fuck.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
It's it was horrible. I it this may explain it.
This is the first piece of trivia on IMDb that
twenty four people found helpful. By the way the movie was,
the movie ran out of money and was finished without
the last two days of shooting. And I feel like
that kind of makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Cage had to go off to another movie.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Yeah, It's like, okay, I get that.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I could see that. Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Then they spend all their money on it.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
It was one house and three actors.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
A couple ten dollars a plank on the wood.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Right right in of course taxes.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, man, pressure treated with prices are great.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
And I kept thinking too, oh so at one point,
you know, he had an Action Jackson reference yeah, which.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Is oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
In his like man cave and he's like, what are
you Action Jackson? And it's interesting because I looked at
up the second This movie takes place in nineteen eighty eight.
Action Jackson came out in nineteen eighty eight, and I'm like,
this must have been cagek I guess Cage goes to
the movies.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Yeah, mister Walter went to the theater and then decided
to kill his wife. Yeah, yeah, I did like the
dark Action Jackson. I did like the narcolepsy that mister
Walter has in this movie. That man can sleep through anything.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
He doesn't use his bed, He uses a chair in
the corner of their living room and then he puts
sunglasses on. Yeah that's where he sleeps.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
That scene where his wife sings to him, and I
thought about clipping the whole I actually forgot to clip
any audio, but aj we have a special segment whenever
Hank wants to get to it of our audio clip
of the week, and it's just gonna be all of
us doing it. But I did think about clipping this
where his wife sings in this like sultry palm because

(23:28):
it's their anniversary to try to seduce him, and he's
sleeping the whole time.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And he's pouring him alcohol and like singing right in
his ear. Yeah, and then she just takes his glass
off and she's sleeping.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
And he and she slaps him. I love that by watching.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah Special, I so wives.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Were getting mad at their husbands of this movie for
no reason. I thought she had no right to be
mad at Nicholas Cage in that scene because he was sleeping.
And I thought that his wife, Buddy's wife had no
right to be mad at him.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Life.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I didn't understand at all. I didn't understand anything going
on with her.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
She was played by She was eighteen years old, that
actress was she?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Actually she was, Actually she.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Was in real life eighteen years old, and I assume
I guess I was playing like his twenty five year
old whatever, But yeah, she she was. Yeah, she was
a horrible character. Every character was horrible.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
For her was It was definitely a case of the
writing because like, she goes to see her husband and
Kelsey Grammar let's her into the interrogation room and he's like,
he's like, look, I'm gonna explain everything to you, but
I promise you I'm innocent here, and she's im media, like,
so what am I gonna do? Huh, I'm out fuck you?
She leaves like Jesus out of nowhere, you know.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Even but to set that he knew that he had
fucked Cage's what.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, she did.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
He did cheat on her to be That's why I
want to go back a little bit to whenever he
first gets stuck at the house because it's it's the
hurricanes going on. He can't drive it. So he calls
his wife on the phone, and earlier they're at a
diner and he's telling her, look, I'm gonna go work
for this guy today. I'm gonna just try to get
the money up front and do what I can. And
she's like, okay, I mean I'll get a job. He's like, no, no, no,
I'll take care of her. Okay, fine, So she goes

(25:14):
home to take care of the kid. So later when
he gets stuck there, he calls her and he's like, hey,
I'm so sorry. I got it's you know, the hurricane
came out of nowhere. I'm stuck here. I just they
can do. I'm gonna come see as soon as I can,
probably in the morning. And she just goes off on
him about being a terrible father and a terrible this
and all that. I'm like, I don't know what he
did wrong. It's a fucking hurricane.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
I mean, I can make a case for what he
did wrong.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Like, yeah, he's trying to get money, but like, if
you live on the other side of town and there's
a fucking hurricane coming, like wrap it up before the
hurricane comes.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well that's the whole thing. Though. He wanted to get
that extra money, which he had to do only if
he did it in one day, and even told Kate
couldn't do it in one day, and Case says, yeah,
but if you do, I could be more money, and
they set up how much he needed money.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
I also can't help but feel like he could have
probably riven his truck as it was starting to lightly
drizzle to the other side of town.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, the problem is that he's the slowest fence fixer, right.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Like, at a certain point in your day, if you
realize how long these pickets are taking to nail in
to a board, like you gotta make a judgment call, Okay,
it's can't take me forty five minutes to get home.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
It's taken me eight hours on this fence, Like I
don't think I'm gonna finish it today.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
So you know, he would have had time to fucking
knock off a convenience store.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
On the butt.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
He goes up to the casion, he says, hey, I
can't do this, and then he gets in his car
and he tries to leave, but the car's broken. He does,
he does try to stop.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
That is true. I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
That is realized that the car is broken after it
already started raining. And her argument was like, I don't
I don't want your excuses, like if your car's broken,
you could have taken a cab home, like it's still
the same town.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
But like he waited until the hurricane.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Was completely upon them, Yeah, and the island shut down.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
You know, now, if she could have seen what we
all saw, would she have been as angry that he
cheated on her?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
You mean, if he saw fish, she saw fancy.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
What's a man to do.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's kind of what he tells Kelsey Grammar. I know,
he's like, he's like, look, I know, I know I
had sex with her, but she was really pretty at
one time.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I was like, she's also like a voodoo queen.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
So she's working with magic. Her family's been there for
one hundred and fifty years. There's some like old shit
going on here.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Oh like and she was covered in soap SuDS. Of course,
what was a man to do?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
The moment whenever they're like at the end of the
movie when the police are well allegedly.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
The end of the movie, Yeah, what should.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Have been the end. The police are there going through
their house, and then you know, Cage and her are
talking on the side, like we need to go, and
she's like, you know, She's like, you know, I can't leave,
you know, and he's like, which I don't know why,
but she keeps saying that. He goes, well, I'm gonna leave.
He goes, no, you can't leave, and then he just
flies out, and then she she she like wants to
but doesn't. She chooses not And I'm like, oh, is

(28:18):
this where the vood Is there some magic that she
has to stay on the property? In order to keep
the magic when's it's gonna was the never it's all
this voodashit and there's never even never even mentioned.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I thought like maybe because she's got deep ties to
that area, Like you know, she's got the judge and
the sheriff and stuff in her pocket because like her
family contributed to the to the creation of the police
force back in the day, you know what I mean, Like,
there are so many opportunities to tie it in and
they just didn't even try a lot.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Of stuff they could have done, but they overcomplicated themselves
without also having any substance. It was so it was
the most bizarre like thirty minutes of an Indiana like ever.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
And you you mentioned the police Hank those were the
most incompetent cops to ever exist, every cop. This won't
play on a podcast, but that's fine. Who's like what,
oh just look around and then and then like getting
antsy and then had to go downstairs themselves go downstairs.

(29:22):
You think that there's potential that these two people are
maybe maybe cuff them if you have to whatever you
have to do.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
What about when when the inspector lady and the regular
So there's there's four. There's like I think four cops.
Two of them go down in the basement and there's
an inspector lady in this other cop. They're talking to
Cage and Fancy, and then inspector lady goes, hey, you
watch over them. I'm gonna go see what's going down
in the basement. They've been gone a while, and he
goes okay, and the second she leads that cop just
turns around.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
I know.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
What is going on.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Fancy, Cage time to do what they do.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
And there's there's been four abductions in this tiny island.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
It's on the it's obviously on their radar.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
When you get your first tip of like someone saying, hey,
I know where the missing people are. They're in these
folks basement, and Kelsey Grammar's like, they're lying to me.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Well, the crazy thing away. It's not even he didn't
even reference what was going on. So to even further
strengthen your point is there is this crazy thing going on,
and this separate account is saying I was in a
basement where people were being held, not like trying to

(30:34):
get himself out of it or something that should be
like iron clad.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
More than if you can remember all the way through.
Can you explain how it is that the police decided
to listen to him and go go to him out
What piece of evidence was it that they decided, Okay,
maybe he's onto something.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
I forget.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
I actually don't remember either.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Red cloth.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Right, che girl.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
So whenever he's in, he when he's about to find
when Buddy is still within the situation that he's in
and he's in, he's in the base, or he's trying
to get in the basement, he's finally he has Cage
tied up. He thinks the wife is still against Cage, right,
and then he's like, okay, I'm going in the basement.
And then she's like, no, no, no, you still can't
go in there. Let's just leave. Let's just get the
heck out of here. He's like, no, I'm going in.
He starts to open it, and then she like starts

(31:24):
shooting at him with a gun, and that's when you realize, oh,
her and Cage are allegedly still partners and all of
this whatever. Anyways, he runs away and that's where he
finds the body of this other guy who's still barely
alive and has an IV in him, and all this
kind of stuff, and in the guy's hand is a
piece of like silk or red fabric that has some
like Chinese or maybe Japanese like characters on it, right
like like let yeah, okay, and so we see that

(31:47):
for like a second. He's like weird. Whatever. Anyways, when
we get back to the police, there's a inspector lady
is outside of the double you know, mirror glass thing,
listening to the whole interrogation, and she pulls Kelsey Grammar
out because at one point he had mentioned, oh, there's
this weird fabric that I found with some characters on it.
And then she goes, wait a minute, there was a
woman two years ago who was kidnapped that had a

(32:11):
red silk dress with characters on it. And then they
go and he is that the same thing you saw?
And he's like yeah, He's like okay, and they leave you.
It could be anything that she must be the smartest
goddamn investigator on the planet. I don't know, it just well, I.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Also really liked that she existed, so that way Kelsey
Grammar would have to do a third location. This is
literally the.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Only spector room.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
And then when when cage.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Is outside of and then also like, if this girl
was abducted two years ago, why is the guy that's
still there like clutching this piece of fabric Like.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
That doesn't make any questions?

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah they were were they together? Like did they make
a baby together? So he had no.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Because that guy, that guy that was there is the
one who got shot at the beginning of the movie.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's what I thought. But that can't make sense.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
It doesn't. It doesn't make sense. That's your shot alive.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
And then they didn't have a piece of fabric from
a dead girl two years ago.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Yeah, this is a clue, Like it was sentimental, like
it was his only possession that he has to remember
the love of his life.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
No, it doesn't It doesn't make a lick of sense.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It was almost like it was almost like that was
in the movie and then they filmed everything and then
they were like, oh shit, wait, we don't have anything
to actually connect it. What about that fabric? Okay, just
put out a phone of a woman.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, because yeah, I mean even if yeah, there's
just so many different ways that could have gone. I
still don't understand what they were doing in the basement.
I mean, I do.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I know they explained, but well they don't really explain
it though. I'm really the best to guess. And then
I even read the Wikipedia plot afterwards, and I think
we ever wrote it was also just trying their best.
It's very bare bones, but yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
I will say. There was one shot in this movie
that I thought was, let's say, chef's kiss beautiful. Can
you guess what it was?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
When Cage says cock, well, well, that.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Might be our audio clip.

Speaker 7 (34:25):
Yeah, no, it was when it was when Fancy is
making that chicken soup and out of nowhere, for about
thirty seconds, they just have a slow mo shot at.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
First stirring the soup. I thought that was really nice.
I thought I switched to an episode of Iron Chef.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Quick director, and he was just like a he's just
a really big cameraman. And I guess he directed a couple.
He's just a big He was like a pioneer of
a lot of camera stuff.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
Allegedly. So, since you brought it up, Aja, would we
like to do our audio clip of the week that
I forgot the clip? Hey day, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
All right, Well, so this is the hurricane is pouring
down upon them, and uh, Buddy Boy realizes he ain't
going to make it home to his wife and sick child,
so he calls his wife from Fancy's house and he's
telling her the deal and she's pissed. I feel like understandably,

(35:39):
so yes, and like he just dropping and uh.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
He's he's picking up the vibe that.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Buddy is in his situation, which is he hasn't got
the nookie in quite some time and yeah, six months
to be exact. So he hangs up with his wife
and Cage talks to him about it, and he's asking
him some personal questions, like, hey, I were things at home?

(36:09):
Sounds like y'all are going through some ship. How long
has it been, you know, since you've been intimate?

Speaker 6 (36:15):
And he's like, well, we had the baby and blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah, And.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Then Cage delivers this amazing line, very slow in Christopher walking, like,
I forget the exact line, but are we all going
to try to say it together?

Speaker 5 (36:33):
I think we should all try to say it together.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Okay, all right, so I'll lead us in.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
It's how long since your wife suck? I fucked up
the line.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
All I remember is that it's it's four key words
and two of them are.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
H yeah, fuck and it's again out of nowhere. He
doesn't talk like that the whole movie.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Chef's that was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
At one point, he's like yelling at Buddy whenever Buddy
has him tied up, and he's he's just like, like,
just doing this. I can't even He's just doing a
horrible Cajun like like accent. And then and then he
turns to his wife and OK, I just do like this.
He's He's like, I don't know what the hell you're
doing out there. Buddy's his wife and he's just like, hey,
so we need to get out of here. What is

(37:37):
going on?

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Yeah, I don't know how we moved past us all
doing that line. Me just me butchering it completely. I
have it written down in front of me.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
I went too fast.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I finished it, and you guys, yeah, yeah, what a film.
I just it's one of those movies that makes me
angry because they really had something pretty good there and
just just fucked it right it. They tripped so hard
at the.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
End the first half.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Man, I was in, I was and I kept and
I still don't think it's a nine percent either way,
and I'm like, I haven't I don't have time to
read anything. I might go check out some of those
reviews after this, because I'm just so curious, But like,
I just don't like the main guy for once, the
main guy who isn't Cage actually does a good job,
you know. And and the guy was believable, And I

(38:35):
liked Fancy a lot. She was good, and there's some
weird writing among it, but like they all I don't know, man,
I thought it looked good and and then they just
then they just went fucking balls to the wall with
Cage's PTSD Vietnam breakdown, which is a shame.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yep, Why why don't they kill Buddy.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
That too, or or put them him and the kidnappa.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
They have a whole system forget for disposing of people
without a trace, like now, like as soon if you're
if you're that level of a criminal, as soon as
you even hint towards the basement, or as soon as
you know the contractor working at your house sees ten

(39:19):
locks on the basement door and says, hmm, that's weird.
Like sorry, Bud, but you can't go back into society.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Also, they keep him alive sett enough to be arrested,
assuming that, I guess he's not gonna say anything, and
within the time they have him between they don't think
the cops are gonna come check them out, and they
don't bother to clean up anything.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Right from the night.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Before they moved his truck, they fixed they had.

Speaker 8 (39:47):
To fix his truck also to drive his truck to
another location, put his unconscious body in there with the
dead body, and then go back home.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
And then hope, like if they had put him in
there and yeah, and shot him in the head and
made it look like a suicide, then maybe you could
make that make a little bit of sense. But what
you're saying makes no. Like again, obviously he's gonna say
they have all these people in their basement.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
You gotta go check this house out. Yes, I swear
to God, Yeah, yes, I fucked the wife.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
But I'm telling you that.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Ah yeah, it's how come Cage It never like came
on to him. Why was it always only the wife?
You know?

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Yeah, that's actually a good question, buddy, buddy.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
At one point, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
Yeah, I love that scene in the attic. Honestly, I
liked when he through talking about Cinide and.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
So do you remember in the attic there was like
forty rifles and whenever Buddy gets up there to find
a weapon, he just grabs like the smallest pistol yep, yep,
that didn't even work.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
And when he ties Cage up, he doesn't grab the
gun that's on the ground. This guy did did time
in the service, like and he just he just could
have trust in this lady that he just met.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Also, how how does Cage know that he wasn't being
honest about his military story, which he I guess somehow
knew before he hired this guy. He knew all about
the boat. And how does Cage know that he left
his friend to die?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
And that's Cage does this whole like part of his
whole thing is like you have this deep, dark, evil
secret in you blah blah blah blah blah. And Buddy
doesn't want to talk about it, so he just says, no, no, no,
everyone on the ship died and whatever, and correct me
if I'm wrong, But I'm pretty sure all he said,
like the truth was he saw his friend about to die,
he could have saved him and said he was a
coward and he just ran away. That's pretty bad, but

(41:50):
it's not nearly as bad as like, like it makes
you think he's the one who caused the death of
every single person in the like unit or whatever, But
I think he just like escape to save his own
life from an actual accident. It's not that. I mean
it sucks.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
And that's doubly stupid for this movie, because the movie's
making it out to be like, you know, if you're
supposed to believe that, and you're supposed to believe that,
like Cage did research on this guy before he shows
up at the house, looks into his military record, and
is essentially like grooming him to kill his wife, Like

(42:30):
you're you're not.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Gonna pick the coward.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
You're gonna pick someone who's badass and has all these
confirmed kills.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
The movie is about finishing the job. They keep saying,
you gotta be you're gonna start something, you gotta fix something.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, yeah, because he is trying to like drill into
his mind that he's gonna finish the job of killing
his wife, which slightly makes sense because it's the wife's house,
it's the wife's estate, and we are assuming that he's
trapped under some voodoo spell and can't harm her.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
But like they have no love.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
He doesn't want to fuck her. She wants him to
like beat the shit out of her, but he won't
do it. So he's kind of like cucking himself. And
then like he doesn't stand to gain anything out of
this whole situation because the baby farming is not his jam.
He's just like washed up. He feels like he should

(43:27):
have died with his friends. He has nothing to live for.
He just wants alcohol. So like for his wife to
die and for him to inherit the estate and be
able to clean out the basement and have a lifetime
supply of alcohol, that'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
But like I laugh when you say the alcohol because
how many times in this movie and started to derail you.
They just show them opening up like a decancer or
bottle and you see that, you know, and like the
audio guys really went all in on the pop.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
I got this. Actually muted myself during that because what
you were saying was so beautiful. I didn't want to
I want to stop myself from chiming in aj. I
thought that was a that was a beautiful couple of
minutes you had there.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I had some of these moments on this podcast episodes.

Speaker 7 (44:15):
In well you are our guests, so yeah, thanks for
letting me.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Talk once in a while.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I do want to mention too, Cage. You know, he
has we mentioned a little bit, you know. Cage, he
asks Buddy to kill his wife but with cyanide. But
he also goes to this whole thing being it's it's
all a lie. But he's like, yeah, she has terminal
cancer and I just can't bear to see her suffer
through that. So I need you to use cyanide to

(44:51):
kill her, and I'm going to give you twenty thousand dollars.
It's a good bit of money. Maybe like one hundred
thousand would be believable, But like, well.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
I gotta say, I'm always shocked when I hear about
like murder for hire and it's always like five or
ten grand when the person gets fought.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Right, and I guess that that does happen in real life.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Yeah, that's it comes It's insane.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, I feel like ten grand is like standard for
somebody who does not have the experience and will probably
end up fucking it up. Twenty grand is like they
have some experience and you're they're probably reliable. And then
like fifty to one hundred is like you will never

(45:36):
hear from this person ever again, and it's confirmed that
this person's already dead by the time you're done talking with.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Me, you know, Like, yeah, yeah, I do think for
the sake of the movie, they could have just said,
like one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Well, but that guy was like risking life and limb
and not going home to his wife and six month
old for two hundred and fifty dollars. Yeah, so twenty
grand to him.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Pretty good. Yeah, it was fighting for that too. I
like that. Yeah, yeah, can I can we take this
and like, can we re edit the film? I feel
like we can make a really good movie.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
There's definitely something there, right, Like, there's definitely if if
the end was better and they took out a couple
of things in it, like this is a pretty.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Sea grammar and just have a straightforward story of this guy.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
I don't even mind the interrogation. I thought that added
some intrigue because, like we were saying, you think, I thought,
until pretty much until the end of the movie, he
was the one who tried to rob them in the
first place.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
That's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
So that dumb on your part, because why would the
guy who crashed through the fence be fixing the fence?

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Well, okay, yeah, you're right, I guess. I guess it
was until he got to the fence that.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I was Then it does it works in that it
does build an intrigue of like, wait was this the
guy was this? Okay, what's going on? There's something bigger?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
That framing. I do like in the Terrible ending when
they're outside of the diner the one time when Kelsey
Grammer and Cage But I doubt we're even actually talking
to each other when they were filming that, but when
you cause you never see them in a shot together.
But I like that they do the classic movie like
two old soldiers talking to each other and Kelsey Grammer's
trying to negotiate, and he's just like, come on now, soldier,

(47:24):
why don't we put the guns down and have a
beer and talk this out. You're better than that, you're
in the uniform.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
So I'm so sorry. I found out a fact about
this movie that just made me laugh so hard. Yes,
I must share it right now. Did you happen to
look up how much this movie grossed?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
No?

Speaker 5 (47:49):
So this is according time to be the lowest rated
and lowest grossing movie that Cage has ever started. Don't
look it up, hank. Okay, let me tell you the number.
If I told you it was four digits, would that
shock you? This movie grossed five thousand, five hundred and
sixty six dollars.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Oh, man, what happened? It's not that bad? That's crazy?

Speaker 4 (48:19):
What the fuck had what?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
And that wasn't It was only like five or six
years ago.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
I have no idea, and it happened.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
And by the by the reviewer people and everyone, nobody
want to see it.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
When did it come out?

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Twenty nineteen? I think I think I said December. Oh
it was right before COVID, right before COVID. But but
it was plenty of time to have a.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
Thing was it was not a COVID problem. This movie
did not not do well becausey.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Of time to be in theaters before that. Okay't pulling it.
I'm looking at an IMDb project. Good god, oh.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
Six fifty five. That shocked me.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
That shook me right to well, no wonder. I watch
it on on I just watched it on Amazon Prime
and they had it with ads on it and other
than I'm surprised YouTube didn't have any ads on it,
but I'm like, ife, like, yeah, the only way they're
making money on this is putting it up for free
with ads. But like, yeah, fuck man, that's uh.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
What was the budget?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I'm trying to find it. They didn't have that ranked
on there Wikipedia.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah, and how is the YouTube video not monetized if
they lost that much money?

Speaker 5 (49:24):
I know, well, some schmuck just uploaded it.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
And the and the owners of the movie are just like, yeah, fuck.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
It, yeah, who cares.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
So the the estimated budget that I'm just seeing on
Wikipedia first pass is five million dollars and they made
five thousand dollars. Oh and that sucks to because also
like it was efficient. Okay, you only got five mili. Yeah,
all in a house. Just get some good actors being bad.
That's sucks. That sucks.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
That is that really shocked?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
And look, I don't think Kelsey Grammer did it for free.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
No, And Cage definitely must have been.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
You know, pretty pricey.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
I bet Kelsey Grammer. I bet that was like three
hundred grand for Kelsey Grammer, and I bet Cage was
like two mil. And that's like half your budget, right, there,
that's the movie. I mean, but that's just like, fuck, dude.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
That's r spending five mill and investing months of your
life into a project just to get five cheese.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Imagine to.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
The famous production companies V M I Worldwide, Fiver William
Pictures and obviously or Woe Studios.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
So would you rather would you rather be a part
so a chunk of the puzzle or a piece of
the puzzle five million and let's say six months of
your time probably less to net back five five grand?
Or would you rather spend five years of your time

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watching all of Nicholas Cage's movies and then get to
Grand Isle and have to watch it and realize you
have like thirty movies left and he's still putting out movies.
Which one would you rather be?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
And and also on that second one only make like
ten dollars in ad revenue over the.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly between three people. Yep, yep, yep,
I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I'm gonna go with the I'm gonna go with that
option because okay, that the other way, I'd be a
liar because it's not what I've been doing. Okay, Okay,
now could I I guess it was would you rather
I would rather have just made some money. I just
want to make money.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
Yeah, I'm in it for the love of the game.
I'm I would rather have been done with the show
a couple of years ago, but I'm in it for
the lovely game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
So I'm still in it for the ad revenue.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
I'm gonna I'm gonna be the naysayer and say.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I wish I wish the the other reality was true,
because I would have lost five million dollars. But I
still would have had the opportunity to work with Nicholas Cage.
True talking about all this movie.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
Yeah, but don't forget we interviewed his his body double Mark.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
He wants to get back in the game.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
I know he does.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
He blew up my Instagram a couple of months ago.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
He asked me if I wanted a p A on
like a documentary he was making like years ago.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
After he doesn't asked me for ship.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah yeah, wow. Well, do we have any anything else
we want to cover with the film?

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Do we have any Well?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I want to make sure that we got everything out.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
No more notes, I got no more notes notes.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Jay I liked I liked the removing of buddies hants
button with a stiletto heel.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
That was that's pretty hot.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
That was pretty That was pretty They built a lot
of good tension. I know, we've been like shaming this
movie the whole time, but like they they had the tension,
you know, for most of the middle of the movie.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
So that first hour and let's say, like I think
it was an hour forty five movies, so like that
first like hour fifteen I was in. It was good.
They did a good jumpers, there were like little things
here and there. And I was also over analyzing it
because of the ratings, So I was just I was
like what am I like? What what this is? And
I could have convinced myself that it wasn't working like
it was working. I was like, what the fuck's going on?

(53:51):
But no, they had a very good movie. They just
had a just a nose dive of an ending. Well anyways,
A couple of questions for you, are there any goofs
or gaffs or maybe maybe there's a ghoul or two
in there.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
I put this on the top eight of the movies
we've watched to likely have a Google in it. There's
definitely a Google or two flying around that basement. So
I'll say maybe on the goules.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
If they went down there and there was a bunch
of voodoo zombie goules, that would be awesome.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
That'll be awesome. Give me a six hour movie to that.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Yeah, so Goof's gaffs. There were but four.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Okay, so really you're telling me a perfect film.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
So nearly perfect. Yeah, that's like a nine point nine
out of ten. Continuity. Let me hit you with this,
and for a reminder for you folks, you tell me
if this is helpful or not helpful continuity. Fancy brings
Buddy a glass of tea by the fence. He drinks
half and gives it back to her. A few minutes

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moments later, when he smashes his thumb, the glasses in
Fancy's hand, but alas it is full again.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Oh is that continuity or did she just refill the
glass which you kind.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Of say she refilled the glass? Is that helpful for
you guys? Did that help you understand the movie better?
Noj yep, I'm gonna say no.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
And I'm very surprised that anybody would have noticed that
for the same reason that Buddy smashed his finger because
when Fancy is walking away, I'm looking at ass.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Yeah, I mean yeah, yes, this is the point of it,
trying to make the whole movie again.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Why can't that just be another glass that she was
drinking from.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
No, it can't.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
She hadn't actually left the The goof stands about you.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
But I don't have any matching glasses. They're all different.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
So there are two other there's three factual errors. One
of them is going to infuriate you, guys. The first one,
Cage was supposed to be an ex marine, but he's
wearing a bizarre looking quasi military uniform that doesn't belong
to any of the branches of the Armed forces, with
the rankingsignia of both Army Private two and Specialists four,
along with the checker tie into Army marksmanship medals. I

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don't even care to ask you if that was helpful
or not helpful.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Next, this movie didn't get the clearance from the US military.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
Yeah, weirdly, probably not. During a shootout with a suspect,
police would not stop firing even after hitting the subject
multiple times if he is still pointing weapons at them.
I love that fact.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I unloaded.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
And for this verson it wasn't enough. This person thought
they shot seven full clips into this man, but the
police would not have stopped firing all the weights. I
absolutely love that fact on that.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Whenever they are shooting him in the movie, and I mean,
we're not sick like they onload so much. I mean,
and he has just the slowest like he goes down
like one knee at a time. This slowly goes down.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
It's really unvolivable holding.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Those two guns out in front of him the whole time.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
And then finally, so Hank, I don't think you're going
to care for this one very much. Aj, I think
you're gonna love this fact. When Nicholas cage Is character
presents a bag with twenty thousand dollars in nineteen eighty eight,
you can see it as the newer, big faced twenty
dollars bills that were released not released until two thousand
and three come.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Fucking brilliant.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
Yeah, that's very hard.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Someone got a very critical eye, and I would probably
hate them as a person. But if this is what
they're dedicating their lives, too well done.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
Yes, I actually think yeah, I think that's great. I
think that's a great fact. I'm gonna go helpful on
that one. And that's it for gups of guys.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
That was it.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
I find that was not helpful that I knew you
would have liked it.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
It's a twenty nineteen film using two thousand and three
dollars for the next nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
Nineteen eighty eight. Yep, just just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Fit Action Jackson. He just got back on the movie
theater the night before seeing Actually.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Were screws not invented before nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
No, screws are two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, I gat.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah, they were created in response to nine to eleven.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were. They were gotta hold your
buildings up sturdier with screws. Uh yeah, that's it on
goops of guys.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Okay, well, I guess it's speaking in nine to eleven.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
Here we go, all right, can you stop eating? We're
gonna be done in like three minutes.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, I heard an interesting uh eleven, let me start
chewing conspiracy theory. Okay, you know you've obviously heard that
it was an inside job and it was a controlled demolition,
and it has all the criteria of a controlled demolition.
But the the confusing part is, like, well, how would

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they have got all of the explosives into the building
without someone noticing. It was built with secret mechanical from
the beginning.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
From the very beginning, from the time it opened in
the seventies.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
It was already predestined to fall on nine to eleven,
two thousand and one.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Yeah, I think you're right it was. It was built
by Taliban for you, the construction company. Yeah, and yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Makes sense and strange enough that construction company they did
just just shortly after the finishing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
Of the Hours. It's very interesting they did. It makes
you think, It really makes you think. All right, well
that's out of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, let's now move into a little segment I like
to call final thoughts and ratings. Okay, James, let's start
with you. What did you What did you think?

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
Yeah, I think I've made it pretty clear. I would say,
if you want to watch this movie, shut it off
at an hour fifteen, and I actually don't think you'll
miss too much. Basically, shut it off when she starts
shooting at him trying to go down into the basement.
Just turn it off and let your mind decide how

(01:00:45):
the movie ends. And I promise you it'll be better
than the way this movie ended. Yeah, Like I said,
I thought this was gonna be like an eighty two.
The ending was so bad, but it's still captured my
attention and I enjoyed it and and fancy, so I
gotta give it. I'll give it sixty five. Give it

(01:01:05):
sixty five cages out of one hundreds.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Okay, okay, hey j Squire delicious.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Yes, well, I just want to get a good on these.

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I wish you wouldn't. Well, AG's
doing that. I'm gonna say that. The last movie that
we did for this podcast was Primal, and I gave
it a sixty three. I don't know what Primal is.
I don't remember that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Yeah, that was the one where he had the white
jaguarre on the boat.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Ah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
So the fact that I don't remember it at all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I only remember because I looked back before we started
this on what our last night he was, because it's
otherwise you would I don't remember it all.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
The fact that I didn't remember at all and I
gave it such a close score sixty three for Primal
and sixty five for this, I'm gonna give an extra
point to grand Isle because I will remember and asle
so sixty six, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
What you say, now, but your memory is pretty bad.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
I'll remember it, I'll remember it. How could I forget fancy?
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah, I mean I think we we got all the
cards out on the table.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Heah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
This wasn't a winner, it wasn't a loser. But it
was a stinker and it smelled slightly sweet.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
You well, it smelled slightly sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
It was a stinker with a surprise.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
Hey, guys, these are my I love that. That was
really I think.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I think the point to shut it off is right
after the tub fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
I don't think. I don't think it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah, after the tub fucking, it could not have gotten better.
Well trump out, Yeah, exactly, So I'm gonna give it
HEINZ fifty seven varieties.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Okay, I like that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
I love that too. I also like the little tremble
in your voice as you said it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Yeah. Yeah, No. I don't understand why this was so
poorly rated by everyone in the world. So while I
was watching it the whole time, I was like, oh man,
I'm gonna go in the pod and I'm gonna be
the one that said Okay, guys, I actually liked it.
Rail into me about it, but I was genuinely curious
about why y'all were gonna do that. And then no,
we're all on the same page. Yeah, I think it

(01:03:37):
really doesn't it? Definitely? I mean I feel for them
for only make it five grand. That sucks, dude. They
deserve much more than that. I mean, they should come
on like, this movie's not bad, it's it has a.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
It deserves to break the five figure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
It deserves to break even definitely at least.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yeah, yeah, it was worth at least as much as
you'd to kill a person.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yes, well that's that technically, I guess, is what it. Yeah, No,
it deserved a lot better. To everyone out there who
made grand Isle, who was all listening to this, you
deserved it better. Yes, you made a pretty dang good
movie until the end. I don't know what you did there. Otherwise, Yeah,
great job. I'm gonna give it like a I'm gonna

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give it a sixty out of a hunt.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
And and and props to Kelsey Grammar for showing out
that one day.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
Yeah, I mean, Kelsey Grammar and I do kind of
regret now that we didn't do money playing because and
we did Mistletoe mix up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Of course another opportunity, but.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
We would have found another Kelsey grammar. And it's the
same thing in that movie. He's he's in one location,
and I just love that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
I do like his his his his thick Louisiana accent.
In the movie, he at least tries, he definitely shows
up and he does his job. So give him that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
So AJA gave out a it's seven hank of sixty.
I gave it a sixty six. That puts it at
sixty one cages out of one hundred, in a tie
for forty third place on our cage movie list, so
right about in the middle. It's tied with Sneak Eyes,
which is skewed because AJ gave Snake Eyes an eighty three.

(01:05:18):
So this one's more accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I'll give it thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Five fifty one ranked way higher than this one.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
The Snake Eyes was terrible. But it's right behind The
Sorcerer's Apprentice and Lord of War, which we're at sixty two's,
and it's right in front of Guarding Tests, which was
out of fifty nine. Yeah, thinking back, I actually liked
Guarding Tests.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I only give you a fifty so funny because I'm like,
I feel like all those movies you listened were pretty
I remember them all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, guys. The only
thing I remember from Snake Eyes was a suit.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
But I just remember the dice and it's stinking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, but I remember all those movies. Interesting. Okay, well
that's grand Isle. Don't really know what I had to
do with Louisiana, but we watched it. So James, what
are we gonna watch? Definitely next week?

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
Yeah, so next week we are going to have a
guest on a recurring guest I believe his third appearance,
once on a special movie and once on a regular
We will have Luke on for this movie. I did
promise in this one. This movie is It stars Nicholas
Cage what and a bunch of other people I've never

(01:06:29):
heard of. There is Tommy Walker playing Private Tommy. But
this movie is every six years in ancient order of
jiu jitsu fighters joins forces to battle a vicious race
of alien invaders. But when a celebrated war hero goes
down to defeat, the fate of the planet in mankind
hangs in the balance. This movie, of course is jiu Jitsu.

(01:06:50):
We will be watching jiu jitsu next week, okay, and
Cage plays a man named Widely Okay, not the Coyote.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
I don't know all I think I've seen, not the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
This movie, I will I will give you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
This something about it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
And I feel like it's not a spoiler because we
won't watch it for probably like a year. But it
has potentially my favorite scene at least at least in
the top twenty of my favorite scenes ever in a
Cage movie.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
My favorite scene, well, at least top twenty. Did you
backeddle done that so fast?

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
I don't want to hype it too. I mean, it's
not fucking him taking his face off?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Oh, Frank ro all right, well I'm looking at the
at the.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
Hey, Hank, I'm gonna take his face. Oh and when
was the last time that you had your cock? Uh sucked? Hey? Go,
I nailed it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Not a lot of cages in this movie, but that
and that's thank you for listening.

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
And uh, can we end the pod on on one
question here, which I just want this to be out
in the ether for you know, legal purposes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
But okay, what would your price be?

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
What would you charge?

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
How much would it take for you to to do
someone dirty?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Would it be through the same method cyanide in the
in the mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
You can choose your method and you don't know the
person and you don't know you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
Oh uh uh. It would have to be over a million.
I'd need over a million because I just think you're
taking too big of a risk. So I would say
one million and one dollar.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Okay, I do it for five mili if I had.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
I.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Can, I guess yours, aj you can make a bad movie.
I think you do it for one hundred and twenty thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Ag yeah, I probably would.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
Yeah, I know you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Yeah, so basically none of us would do it for
five thousand bucks.

Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
Well he got he got offered twenty and honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Yeah, twenty twenty is low to like, you know, you
got to be able to buy some kind of some
kind of something with it, not just be like oh yeah, yeah,
you can't guess we're here good again?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
Yeah, give me a million and one dollar and I'll.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
Think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
It's not gonna do I'll take I'll take a quarter
mill cool.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
Okay, Well you know our number.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
For legal purposes. Didn't you say you have a court
appointment coming up?

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Ah ye?

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
So don't don't air this before my my court appointment.
I don't want this to be used against me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Okay, well that's that's the weekly show.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Everybody experst

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Ye