Rob McConnell Interviews - DON DONDERI - UFOs, ETs and Alien Abductions - The 'X' Zone Radio/TV Show

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and real threat posed by extraterrestrials. Now, from et to
Dark Skies, countless movies, books, and television shows about aliens
have thrilled and chilled us, exciting wild hopes and preying
on our deep fears, often with a dash of conspiracy
a la x files. We're all hooked by a great

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extraterrestrial story? Is that just fiction? Well, my guest this hour,
Don Don Dari, has reviewed and analyzed sixty years of
accumulated evidence that proves that many reported UFO sightings have
been real. Extraterrestrials have visited our planet, and that some

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have actually caught and released humans to study them. Don
Crosby Don Dearie. He is a PhD andenter at the
University of Chicago at the age of fifteen and graduated
with a BA and BS in biological psychology at the
age twenty one. He worked as an applied psychologist for
IBA and served as an Associate Dean of the Faculty

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of Graduate Studies and Research in McGill University. His book
is Ufozts and Alien Abductions, A Scientist looks at the Evidence.
Joining me now from the most beautiful city in the world,
my hometown of Montreal is doctor Don Don Darien, Don,
Welcome to the A Zone.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Thank you for inviting me. I'm enjoying it very much already.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Thanks Don Don. Where did your interest in ets and
UFOs come from?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Well, it started at about ten years of age. I
was that old when the first UFO sighting that was
widely reported in the US came to public attention. That
was Kenneth Arnold in nineteen forty seven who saw a
bunch of silvery things hop skipping and jumping over the
Cascade Mountains in northwest US in Washington State, and he

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reported them. They were reported at the local newspapers and
a newspaper reporter invented the term flying saucer to describe them.
That's where it all started. That's where the publicity first
came out. And that was long enough ago, so I've
been interested in it for quite a while and that's
about sixty five years.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Wow, Don, what is your opinion on the Canadian government
dropping all UFO investigations and kind of referring everything to
Chris Rotowski at the University of Manitoba.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, it's very nice for Chrismah who has been doing
a great job collecting stuff for many years and writing
about it. I think that the Canadian government is a
bit player in this business for many years, and you
may know this. Back in the seventies there were lots
of UFO sightings in Canada. There was a great deal
of pressure on Parliament to quote do something unquote about them.

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So the National Research Council set up what they call
a non Meteorite Sighting File, which is basically just a
big file drawer full of people's reports. You could go
look at that file drawer anytime you wanted, if you
were a citizen or just off the street. Basically, all
you have to do is promise not to tell people
what was what the names of the people who reported
these things?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
All right, Donamond, do I hate to do this?

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Don? You and I have to take a two minute
commercial break. Why do we come back more with my
very special guest, a fellow Montrealer, doctor Don Don Dry.
His website is www. Dot All right, do you have
your pens and pencils ready? U f O E TS
dot com. Don and I will be back on the
other side of this two minute break. Don't go away,

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Santa Donn again.

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Speaker 1 (06:49):
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Speaker 3 (07:15):
And welcome back everyone. That's April Wine, Montreal band with
just between you and me. You know what, they don't
need to tell me to enforce ken con on this show.
I do it automatically because I'm a proud Canadian. My
guest this hour is Don Don Dry. We're talking about
Don's new book entitled UFOs Ets and Alien Abductions as

(07:36):
Scientist looks at the Evidence and his website is www
dot UFO E T s dot com. That's ufo ets
dot com.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Before we went to the commercial break, we were talking
about the Canadian government's involvement or lack of involvement in
the in the investigation of UFOs. You know, Wilbur Smith
was it project magnet. Going back to the fifties, there
was communication between Washington and Wilbert Smith, and then we

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had the fiasco of the Avro Arrow, you know, and
I often wondered, Donna, maybe you could shed some light
on this if there was a connection between the demise
of the Avro Arrow and the pressure that the American

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government was putting on the Canadian government at that time,
not only in our aviation industry, but into the investigation
of UFOs as well.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
I honestly doubt it. I remember the Avro Arrow incident.
Diefenbaker canceled a brilliant airplane that everybody agreed with, a
superb product for its time. Yeah, and he did it
because I suppose there were internal financial difficulties. I don't
think it had anything to do with the UFOs. I
think the US government has always been very uptight about that.
We can get into that later. Canadian government went along

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and dealt with its public the best it could by
setting up this non meteorite sighting file and let it
slide at that. Now they've closed it because the issue
is so far beyond the Canadian government's interest or ability
to deal with that, they've basically left it or rented
it out if you like, to other interested governments, including
the US, I just don't think they're interested.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Don Let me ask you this, as a scientist and
as a researcher, why has the best evidence from competent
observers been ignored or shunned by members of the scientific community.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Because science is a very conservative, relatively closed minded occupation
which occupies extremely intelligent people on extremely narrow questions that
have some theoretical basis. Nobody has a theory that explains UFOs,
and so for as scientists, it's just you just don't
look at it because it's so far out of your

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ken that you can't make sense of what you see
or what people tell you they've seen. That's why science
and quotes can't do anything with UFOs, because scientists have
no theory to explain how they work. The fact that
they're there is of interest to people because people are curious.
Scientists aren't curious unless they have a theory.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
But John, what about theoretical physicists wouldn't this enter their
realm of expertise?

Speaker 4 (10:26):
It does. The question of how you get around gravity
is a very good theoretical question in physics. The problem
is nobody has an answer, and nobody has a viable theory.
There are a couple of people who've published theories. There's
actually a scientist named Paul Laviolette who's published a book
and a couple of papers on the subject, but they're
not widely accepted, and they basically overturn the established basis

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of quantum theory, so that you can't accept Laviolette without
rejecting a lot of stuff that does work. So people
are in a qua about that and don't know how
to proceed when they don't pay attention.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
When you have the number of citizens worldwide that are
reporting sightings, contact and abduction scenarios, how can the governments
of the world not join force to do a credible
investigation to find out the answers and be honest with

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the public about their findings.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Well, first of all, a lot of governments have just
shrugged their shoulders, told people what they know, and washed
their hands of it. Perfect example is the Belgian government,
which issued a very comprehensive report on low level UFOs
seen around nineteen eighty nine nineteen ninety and then let
their spokesperson simply say, here's what we've seen. We don't

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know what to do about it. If you're interested, lead
our report, and they made the report available to everybody.
The French have done sort of the same thing. Various
South American governments with UFO activity have done the same thing.
The big clam up government is neighbors to the south.
The US probably knows a tremendous amount more about UFOs
than the government is telling you, because they have incredible

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surveillance equipment available to track that kind of thing. But
they are I think frightened of the consequences or the implications,
I should say, and don't want to deal with the
public consequences, not yet anyway, in.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Your opinion, don do these visitors pose a threat to
the national security of this planet.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
In a literal sense. They do. And here's why. It's
quite clear from all of the militarily generated reports and
the evidence of many people's observations that aircraft missiles can't
stop them, can't shoot them down, can't deter them, have
no way of interfering with UFOs. UFOs crews slowly over

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our large cities and public transport roads and stuff. Nobody
can deal with them. Nobody can chase them away, or
we can chase them away, yes, but deter them by
any more violent means no. Therefore, they are by definition
a threat to national security because you don't know what
their motives are and you can't stop them. That's not

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something most governments want to admit.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
And yet where you look throughout history that these visitors
from the skies have been around, it's nothing that is
really that new. So if they've been around since wellly
the airship flap of the eighteen hundreds, and then you've got,
you know, reports and sightings that have been written in

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historical books under different types of classifications. If they wanted
to do something negative to this planet, wouldn't they have
already done it?

Speaker 4 (13:53):
I don't know. That's an excellent question. The fact that
they I think we are the technical people in our
governments agree they could do it simply means that we're
not prepared to stop them if they did, and that
itself is a danger. Certainly, it's no neurosis to worry
about some power that could deal badly with you but

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hasn't yet put it that way. And I think that's
the attitude of many governments to this, in particularly the
US government.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, let's take a look at some of the Canadian sightings.
The Shag Harbor incident, for example. You know, there you
had testimony from members of the Canadian military, the Raw
Canative Mounted Police, and observers who saw something go into
the waters of Shag Harbor in Nova Scotia. I remember that,

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you know, and you have all this evidence and yet nothing, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Exactly nobody has. Nobody, an official the official world, has
anything to say about those things because they can't do
anything about them. You report to your constituency, yeah, we've
seen a UFO go into the water in Shag Harbor.
We've seen them fly over this city or that city,
and your constituency says, well, what are you going to
do about it? And the answer is, we can't do

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anything about it. So the best thing to do from
a government point of view is make the least of
it as possible so that people will not pay attention.
And it's easy enough to do because the whole proposition
is so potentially threatening that a lot of people just
don't want to think about it, and if you don't
want to, it's easy to ignore the problem.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
As a scientist. Is there a scientific discipline that is
dealing with UFOs presently me, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Kidding me, and maybe fifty or sixty or seventy other
people with some kind of scientific qualifications who are not
tied to research grants. I'm a retired professor, so my
life goes on without having to win research grants from
various governments. Governments don't support that kind of thing. Your
peers in science are the people who grant those research grants,

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because these are all awarded quite fairly on the basis
of what other people think is worth doing, and most
other people, for the reasons I've suggested in science, don't
think it's worth doing science about UFOs because there are
no theories to explain them. And the only kind of
scientists who take a real interest in this are people
like me who are behavioral researchers in psychology, or people

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with imaginations and some freedom of action who aren't bound
to advancement through their universities by getting research grants. It's
a difficult thing to deal with in science. There is
certainly no specific discipline responsible for studying UFOs, and very
few people do it the imaginative. There are lots of
imaginative friends of mine who do, but they're mostly outside

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of what you might call mainstream science.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
I would think that the scientific community would want to
jump on this phenomenon to actually solve it one way
or another. It's a win win situation. Just imagine being
able to say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that yes,

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there are UFOs, Yes we are being visited by people
from other galaxies, other universes, and yes we have the
ability now, based on the conclusion that they are real,
to start a process in which we can make contact
and learn and exchange information. I know that would be

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to me a fantastic.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Thing, except it's dangerous. You don't want to make contact
with people who might want to eat you. I'm being
perfectly serious about that. It's not a joke. One of
my friends who I was talking to about this news
in fact read my book. He said, the people who
want to make contact are generally kindly, well disposed individuals
who think that the entire world is as benevolent as

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they are, and that's not necessarily true. I think your
own background would tell you.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
That my own background also tells me that until I
see a hostile action, not to assume that that person
is hostile.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Absolutely, but also not to assume he or she isn't.
And that's the problem with the UFO thing. The people
who are responsible for what you might call national defense
in our large neighbor to the south right have a
responsibility to be able to protect their population and for
that matter, ours from harm from above. And that of

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course went back to the Cold War, when the harm
from above was from across the continents. Now the same
thing is true, and I don't believe there's a way
to protect us from potential, not actual harm from above.
And it's that potential that worries people. And where is me, Franklyn.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, we've got to make our news break here explanation
Doctor Don Don Darius our special guest, and we're talking
about Don's new book entitled UFOs Ets and Alien Abductions
a scientist looks at the evidence. His website is www
dot ufo ets dot com. And we'll be back after

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My very special guest of this hour is doctor Don Donderry.
He's the author of a fascinating book entitled UFO E
T S and Alien Abductions As Scientist looks at the Evidence.
His website is www dot UFO e TS dot com.
And first of all, Don thanks very much for joining us.

(21:38):
Great having you with us. And one of the parts
of the of the ET experience that a lot of
people have a problem with believing is the alien abduction scenario.
What is your what is your opinion on that, sir?

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Okay, The first two propositions you start the program with
that some of what people report as UFOs or ET spaceships.
And the second proposition, which is that some of those
spaceships have ET crews, I think are proved beyond reasonable doubt.
Now you can convict a person of a crime on
that evidence. The last opposition, that some of people are
caught and released by those crews to be tested, is established,

(22:20):
I think on the basis of probabilities. On the balance
of probability, which is what you need to win a
civil case. It's not as strong as standard of proof,
and I have still I'm still working on research that
tends to reinforce that idea, which I think is true,
but which I can't say is demonstrated as thoroughly as
the exact the actual existence of ET spaceships or ET crews,

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So it's work in progress. The evidence is strong, it's
obviously harder to take seriously, because while you can imagine
a shiny thing s flying around in the sky easily enough,
the idea that ets are actually here interacting with us
is another step harder to take. I've taken it. I

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persuaded the evidence is strong, but I agree it's not
quite as strong as the evidence that there are actually
ET spaceships in our space.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Tell me, don have you spoken to anyone who has
claimed to have been abducted by aliens?

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Oh? Indeed I have. I've spoken to people in Montreal.
I'm working on a case now which I obviously can't
mention by name, a woman and her mother who claimed
to have been abducted. That's not an uncommon experience, by
the way, because these things appear to go in generations.
I've talked to people who have been studied thoroughly by
other investigators, who I know and who I've met. Many

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of these cases are extremely convincing. What they have in
common is the important thing in the world of military intelligence.
You look for commonalities between bits of evidence that you
can build a strong case on. If some aspects of
the case are consistent from one case to another, then
you have more credibility that those cases all apply to

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something real, and that situation applies to a lot of
the abduction cases. They are what a famous British researcher
called touchstones that are in common things like, for example,
the experience of a close encounter, having a conscious memory
of seeing a UFO within a couple of hundred meters
of you. The next thing is missing time, having conscious

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recollection that you can't account for an hour or two
of your time at some point after the close encounter.
When you start with that and you get many cases
showing exactly that pattern, then you have a fairly persuasive
start to your intelligence case. And the rest of it's
filled in when you get the details from people, either

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through flashbacks or through what's called aided recall, which is
where some professional helps people with their recall by sitting
them down, relaxing them of getting to talk, occasionally using hypnosis,
which is a tricky tool but can be used.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
So when it comes to the loss of time, don
is it not true that most of the abductees who
have a loss of time are driving. And isn't there
a connection between the abductees' loss of time and something
a phenomenon known as a highway hypnosis.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Actually, no, there's not. A highway hypnosis is something that
can happen to anybody, not just on the highway. You
can go to sleep briefly for microseconds or at a time,
lose track of where you are, lose track of paying
attention to what you're doing. But that kind of inattention
is not exclusively something that happens when you're driving, And

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it's not the explanation for one, the close encounter to
the easily defined period of missing time and an otherwise
normal consciousness. So I don't think that's a good explanation.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
But what kind of evidence do you have? You know,
the people who claim to have these alien abductions, they
tell good stories, a lot of them are convincing.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
But what about the evidence, Well, depends on what you
mean by evidence. First, there are some of these accounts
where there are witnesses to the departing or arriving UFO.
There are several cases I describe in my book that
case one very well known that's been published by another researcher,
the late Bud Hopkins I knew very well, and other
cases less well known published in monographs by other UFO researchers.

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There are observations of the UFO's leaving and leaving behind
a returned abductee. Secondly, there are consistencies in reports. Now,
a lot of people, including some scientists, don't think that
people's reports are evidence. I disagree. When you have consistent reports,
and so by the way to the courts, when you

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have consistent reports of a phenomenon or more than one
witness to something happening, the evidence becomes more than anecdotal
and more than simply somebody's story. And when you pair
that with consistent experiences, when you appear it with the
existence of scars or other physical evidence that something's happened

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to people that they can't explain, then you begin to
put together a picture that I agree is less clear
than the picture, the instrumental picture that there are UFO spaceships,
but it's clear enough so that I basically say, even
though I can't prove this beyond reasonable doubt, I believe
on the balance of probabilities that these cases are consistent

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and that they represent people being caught and released and
put back down again in order to be studied by
our et visitors.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, but if that is the case, where they are
being abducted to be studied, why the continual study And
that makes no sense to me. If you want to
study a subject, you don't have to keep going and
catching more and more and more over the over a
period of time. Our DNA through this.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
It's not actually it's a good question, but look at
what we do professionally when we're studying something. Some guy,
and you've seen this in news, has just come up
with a new mammal species found in the Ecuadorian Cloud
for US in northern South America. People didn't know that
best species was there until he had spent a good

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deal of his lifetime studying finding it. There's always more
to learn if you are interested in the new species,
you're not going to simply satisfy yourself with one or
five or even ten years of study. You may be
doing it for a lifetime, and you may be the
successor of somebody else has been doing it for a lifetime.
All right, we don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
But here here's another question. If these ets are really here,
and they're able to cross the time space continuum to
this planet another planets, why would they need to abduct
in order to observe.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
I don't know. I can't tell you that. But just
because they have some kind of propulsion system that we
don't have doesn't mean that they know everything about us.
Just because they're smarter in one respect, they may be
the smartest kids on this block, even though they're not
from here, But that doesn't mean they know everything about
this block or everything about us, and they're still interested

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in finding out. I don't see anything inconsistent in that.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Well, why wouldn't they just clone a human or keep
the humans instead of bringing them back? It makes no sense.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Well, well, keeping them would be very bad politics because
people would notice, and this would bring the whole thing
to a head. Where did your grandmother go? Well, she
was abducted by an alien. It never came back, or
she disappeared off the face of the earth two weeks
ago while driving between Hamilton and in Toronto, and we
don't know where she is. That kind of thing wouldn't

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make good publicity, and if.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
The ah, but good publicity are but good publicity for who?
In order for it not to be good publicity, there
has to be someone else involved who wants to protect
the identity of the ets or the actual reason why
they're here. The ETS, I don't think, would give a
damn whether it was established that they know back Grandma

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took off and she never came home.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Well, we don't know that. And the other thing is
we don't treat other species that way. We are relatively
careful when we're investigating how bears live, for example, barring
people who shoot more than their quota or who and
bears don't really have a social organization to protest that.
We tend to be minimally interfering when we deal with

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other species than ourselves. By the way, we haven't always
been minimally into fearing with each other, because the history
of European exploration has been rather tough on the people
who lived in the places Europeans visited, including the place
we both occupy. But the general ethics of dealing with
other species has been involved in the human species to

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the point where we try not to mess them up
too much, and that may very well be what's happening here.
The other thing is, if they want to maintain a
standoffish attitude and not basically get us upset to the
point will take action against them, Not that we can much.
Then they'd want to minimize their interaction, learn what they
can without making too much of a fuss with us,

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And that's I think what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Is it possible that the Echis have already made in
an agreement with the governments of the world, and the
governments of the world actually know what they're up to.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
I suppose anything is possible, but I haven't a clue.
I just simply don't know. It's beyond my ken to
be able to put down on paper that I have
any evidence or reason to think that's true, and I
just don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
So, if the et scenario is real, if people are
being abducted by aliens for one reason or another, why
is it that not everyone believes in them?

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Well, first of all, there's a tremendous barrier of knowledge
to overcome before you can think this is true. The
book I wrote is an attempt to bridge that barrier
by presenting in plain language. It's not a textbook, it's
not a learned treatise written in academic language. To present

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the facts as they've been accumulating for the last thirty
five sixty five years, depending on how far back you
want to go. And first of all, it's easy to
defend against that because you don't want to know that.
You don't want want to know that there are smarter
kids than we are on the block, cruising around, maybe
looking to take over your home or buy it or

(33:09):
turf you out of it. Possibly that's at least one possibility.
There who you can't stop or control, and who aren't
part of your social system. This is a rather threatening idea.
It's easy to descend against those ideas by simply not
thinking about them or basically diminishing their importance.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
But don't you think that we humans face those facts
each and every day of our lives with other people
here on this planet. So what would be so different?

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Well, we do, and in fact, a psychologist named Leon
Festinger about thirty five or forty years ago presented his
theory of cognitive dissonance, which explains how we deal with that.
We basically turn away, often from facts that are uncomfortable
by basically dismissing the messenger, killing the messer metaphorically. In

(34:01):
any case, we do it all the time, not all
of us look hard facts in the face, and we're
very good at debating them, and there are plenty of
defensive mechanisms of adventure from doing it.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
What is your opinion of the Roswell crash incident going
back to nineteen forty seven.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Oh, I think that's real, and I think that's a
clear example. And I've talked about that in the fair
written about that at fair length in the book, that
the US government swept up the evidence and tucked it away.
And that's not my idea. I've read and cite in
my book the work of many previous researchers have gone
into that in great detail and have presented the facts

(34:38):
in a series of books.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
What about the researchers who are now saying, based on
new evidence pointing to Mogul Project Mogul, that they were
wrong in their first first assumptions that it was a
UFO from another planet and they're turning around.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Oh, I think that's nonsense. Frankly, Mogal balloon excuse is
a very bad excuse for evidence that was much clearer
than the Mogle balloon explanation would ever explain.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
You See, I've got a big problem with Roswell Crash.
I don't think Jesse Marcel has any credibility whatsoever. I
think that the fact that he went out to Mark
Brazl's farm collected all the evidence instead of bringing it
back the evidence back to the base maintaining the the
the integrity of the evidence in his possession. What does

(35:31):
he do. He drives home, wakes up his wife and
kid and lets them man held little this evidence. This,
this to this to me shows that this guy, first
of all, wasn't a very good officer. He wasn't you know,
he was very derelict in his duties because you don't

(35:52):
go to a crime scene, collect evidence and then bring
it home to show it to your family.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
You're you're just I understand your your position on that.
But let's put it this way. This is this is
stuff he'd never seen before. He took the stuff the
next day to his boss, which who is responsible for
reporting to All he did was stop off on the
way and show it to his wife and kids.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
All right, you and I have to take our final break.
We'll be right back. Explanation Doctor don Don Darias, our
guest will be back on the other side. Don't go away,
that's not there. If she turns up down, let me know.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
The way to.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Myself, some way.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Roads up.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
No time for summer, friend, no time love you s.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Seasons change, and so.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
You need not wonder wonder, there's no time. And welcome
back everyone. Our guest this hour is doctor Don Donderry.

(37:40):
He is the author of a fascinating book. It's entitled
U FOS E T S and Alien Abductions As Scientist
looks at the Evidence. His website is www dot u
f O S E U f O E T S
dot com. So, so where do we go from here
dot on? What do we have to what do we

(38:03):
have to do in order to satisfy everyone about the
UFO phenomenon. You know, you and I were talking about Roswell,
and you know my views about how the procedure was,
the evidence was carried and what Jesse Marcel did you
know is based on my training, not my conditioning, but

(38:26):
my training. Yet there are those who take the word
of Stanton Friedman and other people who have had no
experience whatsoever in doing a real investigation as the gospel,
and what would have happened if if Stanton Friedman never
would have had this little epiphany and got this little

(38:49):
buzz and wrote his books.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Well, that's a very good question. But you can't start
dealing with evidence by assuming the people who collected it
are not compatible.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
But where's the evidence. You're talking about evidence? You keep
talking about evidence. I have not seen any evidence that
that I would take to court based on any of
these reports. I haven't there's no physical evidence.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
I'm talking about the Roswell reports. There's no evidence to
take to court. We agree completely. Yeah, we're talking about
a story of hidden evidence, and Roswell is only one.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
But how do we know that. How do we know
it's hidden evidence? This is all This is all speculation.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
But speculation based on interviews with many people, all of
whom have something to contribute about what happened on that
day in the preceding several days.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
All right, let me ask you this. We're running very
fast out of time here. So if if there are
millions of people around the world who say they all
believe they saw the same thing, is that evidence that
what they are seeing is real.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
No, but that's not the situation with UFOs.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
But wait a second. Every December twenty fourth, kids around
the world say they see Santa Claus in the Ring
and the Reindeers. So does that mean that Santa Clause
is real?

Speaker 4 (40:17):
No, it doesn't, and I just said it didn't. What
I said was, that's not the situation with UFOs. There's
a great deal of instrumental evidence. There are multiple simultaneous witnesses.
There are people who've seen the same thing at different
times at locations separated enough so that the times match.
There's photographic, radar plot evidence. There's a great deal of

(40:39):
accumulated physical as well as observational evidence that some of
what people report as UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles because what's
reported cannot do what our machines can do.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
All right, you and I have to say so long
for now.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Don.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
I want to thank you so much for joining us tonight,
and I look forward to the next time you join
us here in the X Zone. Until that and take
care me. Thanks again, thank you very much, by bye,
byee ex oonation. Doctor Don Donderry is my was my
guest this hour, And you know what, let's look at
it this way. Gang kids see the Easter Bunny, kids
see Santa Claus, the sand Men and the Tooth Fairy.

(41:16):
I guess adults can see UFOs have a great weekend.
Good Night everyone,

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