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Ed Craft , The Original Anomalist TM, is a UFO Researcher, Investigator of the Unexplained , Author of UFOs the Dossier and Fellow at the Pangea Institute. He has experienced unexplained lights, bipedal hair creatures and variety of anomalous phenomena. He has explored the ruins at Teotihuacán in Mexico, investigated the "Swamp Ape" in Florida swamps, and has been interviewed on radio, online magazines, and national television. With over twenty-five years of research in the field, Ed has taken a path of applied science and an open mind to discover a keeping it real approach to investigating unexplained phenomena. Lisa E. Carmody was born profoundly deaf but that doesn't keep her from experiencing life to the fullest. She has traveled to England and Ireland where she has explored many historical, legendary and mythical sites, including Stonehenge and Dozmarie, the very lake said to be home to the mythical sword Excalibur. Lisa has also seen firsthand faerie circles in Ireland and has explored England s Tower of London and Hampton Court, former home of Henry the 8th said to be haunted by some of his six wives. Closer to home, she has investigated both the U.S.S. Hornet & the Stokes Adobe.
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Before I get to our next guest, mister Ed Kraft,
I'd like to talk about an article that we received
over the weekend, that is that has been bothering me
since I received it, and we're going to be doing
a two hour showing it tomorrow night. One of my
guests more night will be Brian David Anderson and it's
Canadian ISP's plan to Net censorship and it's by Mike Finch.
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A net neutrality activist group has ing covered plans for
the demise of the free Internet by twenty ten in Canada.
By twenty twelve, the group says the trend will be worldwide.
Belle Canada and tell Us, Canada's two largest Internet service providers,
will begin charging per site fees on most Internet sites.
Reports say within tell Us, it's beyond censorship. It is
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killing the biggest ecosystem of free expression and freedom of
speech that has ever existed. IPOWER spokesman for Reese Layson
said IPOWER was the first group to report on the
possible changes. Bell Canada has not returned calls or emails
to this point. The plans made by the large telecom
businesses would change the Internet into a cable like system
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where customers sign up for specific websites and must pay
to see each individual site. Beyond a certain point, subscription
browsing would be limited, Extra fees would be applied to
access out of network sites, and many sites would be
blocked altogether. This is a quote we have had inside
sources from bigger companies who gave us the information on
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how exclusively deals are being made at this very minute
between ISPs and big content providers like TV production studios
and major video game publishers to decide which sites will
be in the standard package offered to their customers, leaving
all the rest of the Internet un reachable unless you
pay extra subscription fees per every non standard site you visit. This,
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according to this report, will be done in the year
twenty ten. Isn't it funny when in twenty ten is
also the year that the North American Union is supposed
to go into effect. Coincidence, We're going to find out
tomorrow night here on the X s Owne when one
of my guess is going to be Brian David Anderson.
As we talk about this, the Canadian ISPs planning to
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charge for Internet services. I guess this hour is ed Kraft.
He served in the United States Army with a secret
clearance as volunteer soldier with the Headquarters with the Headquarters
United Nations Joint Security Force at the Joint Security Area,
Camp Kittihawk on the thirty eighth parallel between Pan Munjum, Korea, Headquarters,
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eighth Army Engineering Battalion, Second Division, Korea the headquarters and
the Headquarters Battalion Fort Devons, Maryland, the Headquarters seventh Special
Forces Medical Support Battalion Fort Devons in Maryland again and
he was awarded the Armies Overseas Ribbon Service Ribbon and
the Army Achievement Medal for his service. It had his
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first unusual encounter with a hairy creature as a young
boy in South Florida, which was featured in a book
called Encounters with the Strange and Unexplained by internationally renowned
Rolling Stones photographer Matt Hoyle. Since his initial encounter with
the unknown, he has investigated strange unexplained lights in the
night skies and research government cover ups of the Lofo phenomenon.
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He has also investigated ghostly occurrences in homes and businesses,
and has stood on the Pyramid of the Sun at
the Ruins a teacher Connon in Mexico. It has searched
for the swamp ape in the wilds of Florida swamps
and explored many more phenomenon of unexplained nature. Want to
come back in two minutes at Kraft and I will
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be discussing the world of the paranormal here on the
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here on Talk Stared Craft is my special guest this hour. Ed,
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Welcome to the xcellon I thought, Rob, how are you tonight?
I'm doing great? Thanks? Ed. A question for you, how
is it that you decided to author a book on
RFO was after so many years of research in them?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Why now, well, let me let me take a step
back here, if I could particular Rob, it's not the
Maryland that poor Devin's is in. It's actually Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Let me let me I want to correct that, because
I don't need anybody writeing me about that Massachuset. It
in Massachusetts, many of Massachusetts about Maryland. Uh. But uh,
well it came about because, uh, I think the timing
is right on it. You know, people have asked the
question and we alone in the universe for for millions
and millions and millions of years, and I think the
attitudes and perspectives on that question have really changed in
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this day and age. People are more prepared. I think
it's more open minded to the possibilities and potentials. In
my upcoming book, I've asked I actually presented a classic example.
Young gentleman sent me a through an email. I have
permission to actually use his name. It's Ryan Hoge sent
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me a nice little class report that he did in
a public school system. I think it was about two
years ago, and he got an A on this this report,
and it was on extraterrestrials and a public school system.
Now that's something that I know in my day and age,
when I was in thirteen years old, if I'd have
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turned in a school report on extraterrestrials, my teacher would
have thrown it into the trash can said, take this away,
you give me a report on a real subject. Don't
ever turn something like this in again, or just give
me a fly out at app on it, much less
taking it seriously. So I use it in the book
as an example of how times are changing and how
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open minded people are becoming, because this young gentleman was
so creative that he took the time time to actually
research the subject and turn it in, and the teacher
took it so seriously that a public school teacher actually
gave him a legitimate grade for that type of research
in the public school system, and that's something we don't
see today.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Those times are really changing.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yes, I mean, so now it's one better time to
write a book on UFOs than now, because we're seeing
such a you know, changing of the guards stink and
this is the next generation that's coming up, and we
are going to see disclosure come about on the subject
matter that it's going to be. That generation is going
to force our governments to bring about that change.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
How come this generation hasn't been able to do it?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I think because this is the generation that's kind of
caught in the middle. We're caught in the crosshairs. We're
in between the old generation, who was the fifties generation,
the believe in your government faithfully generation, and we're sort
of that this children of Vietnam, the complete distrusting generation,
and the hippie generation. So we're kind of in that
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crossfire generation, right smack dab in the middle somewhere, whereas
our children are going to be the ones who are
going to be able to kind of get out from
underneath all that blanket and come forward and say, look, okay,
we forgive everything. Let's get on with our lives. Tell
us the truth, and let let's move past all the
garbage down.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
So what happens if the government said, listen, guys, we've
been telling you this for years and years and years.
There are no UFOs, we are not being visited, there's
no conspiracy. This is the truth.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Well, unfortunately, and this is where the catch twenty two
does come in. And there is a catch twenty two
here until I don't think they're going to Eventually they
will eventually be able to do that, but only after
all the players who are involved, say like in the
Roswell air, have died off. And the only reason I
say that is because for sixty years they have been
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lying to us, at least sixty years that we know about,
they have been lying to us, and they've been telling
lies to cover uppose lives. So anyone who runs for
any elected office that has been tied into those lies
at one point or another is not going to be
able to run for an elected office. Why not, because
if he comes forward now and says, hey, I was
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involved in this and yes we lied about it, no
one's going to vote for him.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
But what happens if he comes forward and he says, oh,
if so, you mean if somebody who's political suicide?
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
He says, Okay, yeah, I was involved with this thing,
but I'm telling you the truth. Now. You know, it's
still political suicide. So tell everybody has died off that
was ever involved in that one way or the other.
There's you know, it's political suicide for anyone to ever
confess to having anything to do with a period.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
All Right, Something I've I've never understood about the Roswell crash.
Maybe you can help me understand this. Why did Jesse Marcell,
the intelligence officer who went out to Brazil's farm or
stop at his house with key evidence instead of going
right back to the base.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Well, I suppose I asked Jesse Jr. To that question.
I sat down and talk with Jesse Marcell Jr. And
asked him that question. And one of the reasons was
it was the hour and the hour of the night.
He was on his way. He was on his way
home that evening because of the they had actually stayed
over late that evening. He was on his way back
to the base with it. He had some It was
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just a small amount. He was just going to take
it back to the base with him in the morning.
It wasn't it wasn't a huge amount. It was a
small box full. It wasn't like he had these, you know,
a huge car load. It was just a very small
amount and he was just going to haul it back
to the base with him in the morning.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
But I know, you know what, I looked at it
in a totally different light. If what would happen if
a police officer who was at a crime scene decided, well,
I'm not going to take it back to the station. Tonight.
I'm going to stop off at home and I'll show
my kids and my wife the evidence that I found
at the crime scene, and then the next day takes
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it to the station. That doesn't make sense. And yet
you've got the guy in charge of intelligence for the
base who decides to go home, wake up his wife
and kid, and show him the stuff that he found
that's supposed to be a UFO. Does that make sense
to you?
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Well, it does in a way, because the crime scene
is a different story. You're talking about a murder. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
don't think from out of this world different. But doesn't
he But doesn't he have to show your kid a
piece of a flying sponsor versus, you know, a murder weapon.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Well, I'll tell you something. Being a responsible person, no
I won't, because being a responsible person, I would take.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Him your responsible person. Nobody said Jesse he was responsible?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Well, then what the hell was he doing as an officer,
as an intelligence officer? Then who in the name of
God put a guy like that in charge?
Speaker 5 (14:01):
You? Hey, how many how many people? You know? What
does it take to be an officer in the military
these days?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Brains?
Speaker 5 (14:09):
I hope, you hope, but that doesn't necessarily you know,
it is not always the case. All it requires is
that he is a little bit of testing. You know,
we have people who get in the military all the time.
They get into these high positions and they end up,
you know, going to jail and they end up committing crimes,
just like any other occupation that's out there, all right,
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But what.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Does this do for the credibility of the case after
you've just painted Jesse Marcel as a loose cannon.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I'm not saying I'm not painting him as a loose
The potential is there. The potential is always there, and
you have to you have to consider that there there
are both sides of this picture here. I don't think
in in his case that I think that his case
does hold the lidity because of his background, he is
a very credible witness. Turns out, if you look at
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his case history, he was out, uh, he was very
much aware of what weather balloons looked like. The man
turns around, he does go home with this stuff. Like
I said, it was on his way to the base.
The man stops in, he goes to show his wife
and kids this he's just seen this flying saucer. The
man is in shock.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on here,
hold on here, time out. How do you know he
saw a flying saucer? And where has this ever been stated?
That he saw flying saucer before.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
He saw some materials that he'd never seen before.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
That doesn't mean it was from a flying saucer, does it?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
He knows, he knows he saw something that he had
never seen on this Earth before.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Okay, he had never seen That doesn't mean it didn't
come from this planet. It's just that he.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Had never seen it. I'm nebuted. Now in my book
I described this could be our take, This could be
something that he was not aware of that did come
from this planet. I will give you that. I'm not
I'd never state that it wasn't it was extraterrestrial in nature.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Okay, So the flying saucer parts that he saw could
have very well come from this planet and it was
a material. It was material or substance that he was
not aware of.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Correct. Okay, Now, I will give you that. I do
state that in my book. I'm not I'm not never
gone there with that.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Okay, tell me something. Why is it that the story
died so fast, and it was only after Stanton Friedman
wrote the book that the story was revived.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Run that by me again.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Why was the Why was it that the original story
of this alleged crash died very fast and it stayed
dead for years until Stanton Friedman wrote his book and
then the interest was revived again.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Why? I think it probably had a lot to do
with the fact that the government did its job the
way it was supposed to. They were very good at
covering up. They went in at a time when people
are loyal Americans. Uncle Sam said, look, you need to
be quiet, and you know, the loyal American not a
not a communist, and do you know, keep your mouth shut.
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And that's exactly what they did.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
But that's the theory, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Well, it's all theory for crying out out, that's all
it is. It's all theory. If we could prove it,
we'd have the fact that we wouldn't be asking the questions.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Mind you hypothesis, that's right, that's right. So the entire
thing when it comes to Roswell, including the mg m
J twelve documents, which apparently have been debunked several times
over and once again, who received the m J twelve documents.
Was it Stanton Friedman? Dead?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Friedman actually did? Now I have I have some difficulty
with the m J twelve documents to some extent. I
think some of the older documents. There's some validity to
some of them to some extent, but I think that
I have to give credit where credits due. I think
that the particularly these last ones that are coming out
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are total bunk. I haven't say any supporting documents to
say that these are real.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I just find it ironic.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
There's nothing to find. There's nothing in any archive that
I can find to support or substantiate some of the
latter documents, and they keep coming forward. That's that's the
thing that that amazes me. I still these were these
supporting documents and date books and things to show some
support for him. They just don't exist.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I still find it ironic that once again it was
Stanton Friedman who received the MJ twelve documents and no
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Speaker 5 (23:53):
Okay, Well, the MJ twelve documents are. Let's let's go back,
and it kind of answer yours answering your question there
because it kind of ties into what we were just asking.
The MJ twelve documents are a group of documents that
were originally turned over or mysteriously turned over supposedly to
a filmmaker by the name of Jamie Shandera, and he
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claimed that in December of nineteen eighty four that there
were a couple of there two roles of he received
two roles of undeveloped thirty five millimeter film in the mail,
and then all these two roles of film were a
bunch of documents or microficial type documents that supposedly talked
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about a secret group of twelve government officials that had
knowledge of different UFO crashes in top secret UFO events,
and they answered only to the President himself, which was
Dwight D. Eisenhower at the time when President elect d.
Eisenhower who had established this group, and what he had done.
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What Jamie Shander did once he received these documents is
that he went to two individuals who were currently working
on researching the of course Roswell case, which we were
just discussing, and that was Stanton Friedman research of Stanton Friedman,
and I believe it was also more I'm trying to
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think of Roger Moore's last name. I believe I think
of his last name off the top of my head.
I don't have my notes in front of me, but
Stan Breedman was one of the research one of the
two researchers that shandera took Jamie Shander took his this
film to try to find out whether or not these
documents were real. And they have several names for him,
(25:48):
Majestic twelve, NJ twelve, magic Coom, you name it. They're
known by multiple names, but essentially it's a huge group
of documents. Originally it was a small hand full of
documents on this uh this these two roles of film,
and now it's it's turned out to be like literally
hundreds and hundreds of documents. And allegedly, this this group
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of this group of twelve individuals still carries over into
today and it's still answers only to the president. And
it's this group that allegedly heads this this mysterious m
I V. Force. And you know that the legend has
gone on and turned in into some mysterious thing at
this point in time. And I love the opinion that, yes,
(26:32):
maybe at one point time this m J twelve was
a legitimate group of individuals, but it was more or
less a one time or deal or one time committee
type of scenario in which, you know, President Eisenhower said, look,
let's all sit down, look at this. We'll call it
call it m J twelve Code name m J twelve.
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This is a secret media. We're going to have to
discust the issue. A one time deal, that was it,
if it was said and done, and you know, somebody,
I hope that these documents discovered it and turned it
into this big to do And I think really that's
the bottom line is to what MJ twelve is all about.
To get back to what you were talking about earlier
out I think that yes, there was some legitimacy to
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the early documents, but I think over time it's been
fake so much now that ninety percent of what was
out there is just pure garbage. And Stan Freeman was.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Called out by Phil Class on the issue to documents
were fake at one point in time because he was
Phil Class challenged.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Him offered one hundred dollars per copy if Stan Friedman
can actually produce he said. He said that the most
documents of that error were typed in Elite format or
a leaf font and on the typewriters, and he offered
Stan Freedman one hundred dollars for every example of any
document that he could produce in Pika font from that era.
(28:01):
Because some of the documents the alleged m J twelve
documents were actually typed in by a fond and he
said that was proof that they were fake. Well, what
Stan Friedman did was go back to other government documents
from that error and produce examples and Class Class Bill
Class ended up paying him, I think about one thousand
dollars because he was paying him by the page, one
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hundred dollars per page.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
You know. Thing he didn't say one hundred dollars per letter, right.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
He was one hundred dollars per page, so you know
he was he was still pulling, pulling out the pages,
and Class said, okay, I give up you when you
know I was wrong. So you know, it's hard to
prove that these things are real or fake. And there
you know, it's one of those catch twenty twos. But
the only way you can really track some of these
down and find out if they are is is to
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kind of look at them and see because most of
these are all blacked out anyway. The only way is
to find a line or a date. For instance, there's
some of the one of the earlier documents that refers
to President Eisenhower being in a meeting at a certain
time with a certain individual, and you go back and
look at President Eisenhower's date. Look where you know, it
shows who's actually in that location, at that meeting with
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that individual, at a meeting with that individual. You know,
that's kind of how you can verify some of these documents.
And some of them pan out and some of them don't.
So you've got a mix and match of real versus
fake with these documents. So it's really makes it really
hard to weed out the good from the bad. And
most of them are focused. But I think there are
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a few legitimate documents, and I think it's, like I said,
just a.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
One time more deal, you know, ed, there's always the
question that comes up. You know, a few phones are real.
Why don't they just land on the White House lawn?
How do you typically address this question?
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I love that question. Well, I think they probably came close.
And eybody can go to my mindspace page and seek
for themselves because the video's still up there, and that
has to do with the Battle over LA and not
the Battle over LA. I'm sorry, the incident over in
nineteen fifty two over the White House, and I excuse me,
(30:11):
not the White House, the Capitol building in which it
occurred on two consecutive weekends in July of nineteen fifty two,
several objects buzz the Capitol Building. These were for seen
on radar and trace. They were even reported in Captain Rupert,
(30:34):
who was working with Project blue Book at the time,
was actually sent out. He wasn't allowed to pursue it
because he was sent off, and they didn't even really
follow up with the issue. But Eisenhower actually commented on
the issue because it was such a big deal, seen
by hundreds of witnesses, and it was traced by radar,
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both civilian and military, and the official explanation with false
radar blips people it was birds, it was meteors. And
you can clearly see in videos which are all over
like said, you see Moneion, you seem anywhere anybody wants to.
They're on my website, on my MySpace page. There's still
still out there, they still exist that this is. This
is a formation of something flying directly over the Capitol
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Building two consecutive weekends. And they certainly weren't birds unless
they were fluorescent birds flying around at night glowing in
the dark. And I don't know any birds that glow
in the dark.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
What time of year was this?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
It was in July, so it was in the summer.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Wow, so there would be enough people outside to actually
see what was going on.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Even back then it was the no fly zone. You know,
you don't just have a whole formation of unannounced visitors
flying over the Capitol building, the US Capitol.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Now, with the majority of cases that were investigated by
Project Blue Book having been explained as natural or man
made craft, are there any cases that they could not
explain why?
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yes, interestingly enough, and they have still tried to this day.
Many people have come forward and tried to explain it away.
But it's by a very credible witness, and it's the
Runny Lonis was Amaura case and Lennie's a. Mura was
actually a police officer in out in California. He saw
an object that landed in two entities or he lands
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or whatever it was he saw get out in. Uh.
I guess you'd call them aluminium colored suits. Uh. Because
I say that because they've often been described by some
or tried to be explained away as testing the lunar lander,
this type of craft. What has been explained is that's
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one of the explanations. However, the reason I say that
it hasn't been explained away is because Major Hector Quintonella Junior,
the director of Project blue Book, actually got involved took
a personal interest in Lenny Zamora's case. And while Hector
Quintinella was a very prominent debunker of UFOs and very
(33:09):
pro Project Loubook, which was the public debunker's view of UFOs,
what he actually his opinion of the Zamora case was
that he believes Lonnie Zamora was telling the outright truth,
and he clearly stated that several times in his official
(33:31):
report and summarization on it in Project blue Book. He
himself could not explain that case, and he believed that
Lonnie Zamora was a very rational and credible witness and
that something had occurred that he could not explain. His
official diagnosis was on that case was unsolved.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
How about Kexpert.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Texburg Textburgh is an interesting case. A lot of people
tie the whole thing to the writing on the on
the bell itself, on the object itself, because this hieroglyphic
type writing. I'm not sold in that, because it seems
to be only one or two witnesses that ever saw it.
The vast majority don't even report any any writing. There
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doesn't seem to be bodies or anything like that. Most
don't even report openings on the object. However, there does
seem to be so tie into the Nazi bell technology.
I'm a big supporter of this earthly technology, you think
when it comes to Kexburg, because we brought over some
Nazi scientists during Project paper Clip, which would tie in
(34:40):
one in particular, would tie into a device known as
the repult scene engine. Very much fits the time frame
for the Kexsburg incident. There was a similar object seen
at right Field, Ohio, our right Patterson Air Force Base
in Ohio shortly after that craft. However, in two thousand
(35:01):
and three, despite the government having said US government having
said that we were never on the scene, we never
recovered anything from Pecksburg thanks to Freedom of Information Act, NASA,
believe it or not, of all all the places, freedom
of Information Act request turned up the fact that, yes,
in two thousand and three, NASA said they actually had
(35:21):
their hands on some of the debris and it was
a Chinese satellite. NASA actually touched the debris from that object.
Despite the fact that the government said they never went
out there, never recovered anything.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Well, is it possible that the government was saying that
they didn't go out there and you know that they
didn't recover anything because of national security.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Yeah, I'm sure they were because NASA, you know there
it is Freedom of Information Act. NASA of all places,
had the proof that that's what it was. I mean,
there's the answer right there. NASA of all places had it.
They came forward and said, oh yeah, we had it
all along, we just could talk about it and it
(36:05):
was declassified. There it is Keecksburgh. Here's the crash debris material.
We had it all along. It was the satellite material
from this. So yeah, I believe that's what it was.
It was it was that or it was earthly technology.
I'm convinced one way or the other. It was earthly technology.
I don't really think it was anything betterly technology.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
How about the evasive men in black? Everybody loves to
talk about them. Come on, oh well, Smith, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Just I have a big problem. I've spoken, like I said,
with Jesse myrsel Junior and several people. I don't know
of anyone who's actually been threatened by these people. I
can't say I've never had run in most researchers I
know and talk with nobody. None. There are many stories
about this one dying of that or this one disappearing.
(36:55):
I think it's mostly coincidental. Maybe some sick, sick individuals,
you know. The other sides I think are legitimate suicide
in some cases. I mean, let's face it, people have problems, yep.
But I know of no one who has legitimately been threatened,
And only maybe one or two cases do I know
(37:17):
of anyone even claiming to be threatened. And even in
those cases, they're more sensationalized cases. Most rational individuals and
research and study and republic about it have never been
threatened once that I know.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
But don't you wouldn't you agree that sensationalism within the
UFO community is causing a lot of skepticism out there.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Oh yes, I do. And I think it's I think
it's it's it's ridiculous. I think it's it's all part
of that. It's the same type of mentality that feeds
into the the UFO cult mentality.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Okay, let's talk about UFO cults when I come back
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Ed Kraft is our special guest at this hour. First
of all, Ed, before we get on any further, I'd
like to thank you very much for coming on the show.
And you know, it's the UFO and the UFO phenomenon.
I I I think that it has to be settled
one way or the other. You know, it's it's one
of those things where you've got you've got a lot
(41:37):
of theories. You've got a lot of stories, but no
hardcore evidence exactly.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
And and that's the problem I have with with with
with the groups that are out there is you have
the you have two groups that you have the believers
and you have the debunkers. And I love the school
that you know. You said, as a researcher, I prefer
to have a hypothesis. Okay, I don't believe and I
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don't debunk, you know, I like to form a hypothesis.
Is a researcher and a scientist. That's the way I
think it should be. You know, you set out your
form of hypothesis and you try to find evidence to
either support or disprove it either way. That's the rational
thing to do. And that way you reach a truth
one way or the other. Whereas what we have today
(42:26):
is you have the believers who set out to find
out proof that yes, these things are et, They're gonna
land on the White House lawn and that's the end
of the story. They're gonna save the planet. Or you
have the demunkers who say, look, it's all complete bunk
and there is nothing to it, you know, get on
with your live people, you know, put away your luminable
hats and stop riding the e te train. And that's
(42:49):
that's the two schools that are out there. And I
think the truth lies in the middle exact and we've
we've got to find That's what we need to do
is stop you know, taking a side, get to the
rationale and putting together the evidence and using our brains
instead of trying to play, you know, one side or
the other. Let's let's put our heads together and get
to the bottom of this thing once and for all.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
And what about people like Billy Meyer.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Billy Meyer. Billy Meyer is an interesting gentleman, some excellent
UFO footage and in films and pictures back in the day.
I noticed as time has progressed, he's become a little
relaxed in his photography work. I will say that I've
compared some of his footage to some footage I've seen
(43:36):
in other areas. For instance, one of my martial arts teachers,
I noticed, you know, he had this chain link weapon
that he would swing around and he'd light it, light
the end of it and swing it around and blind
the opponents. And it had a little weight on the
end of it at night, and this would blind the
opponent and of course hit him in the head with
the weighted chain and its slung around it made this nice,
(43:57):
neat little circle of lighter out his head in the photograph. Well,
I compared that to a picture that Billy Myers has,
and he's standing in this ring of light and he
calls it the god, you know, this this light force
field or whatever that these aliens are putting around him. Well,
when I put the picture of the Grandmaster next to
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my teacher next to Billy Myers in this force field,
they're identical. They're identical. You know, you could aside from
you know, one being my teacher and one being Billy Meyer.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Bill and I hate to do this, we've just run
out of time, but I'd love to have you back
on in the future.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
That'd be great, he'd be great, Bill, Bill.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, and it's been really nice talking to you. Take
care of yourself and thanks very much for joining us tonight.
Ed Kraft are very special guest tonight talking about the UFOs.
This new book is called UFO's The Dociate Dossier, and
we'll have that back on because where there's so much
more to cover when I come back from the news.
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Before I get to our next guest, mister Ed Kraft,
I'd like to talk about an article that we received
over the weekend, that is that has been bothering me
since I received it, and we're going to be doing
a two hour showing it tomorrow night. One of my
guests more night will be Brian David Anderson and it's
Canadian ISP's plan to Net censorship and it's by Mike Finch.
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A net neutrality activist group has ing covered plans for
the demise of the free Internet by twenty ten in Canada.
By twenty twelve, the group says the trend will be worldwide.
Belle Canada and tell Us, Canada's two largest Internet service providers,
will begin charging per site fees on most Internet sites.
Reports say within tell Us, it's beyond censorship. It is
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killing the biggest ecosystem of free expression and freedom of
speech that has ever existed. IPOWER spokesman for Reese Layson
said IPOWER was the first group to report on the
possible changes. Bell Canada has not returned calls or emails
to this point. The plans made by the large telecom
businesses would change the Internet into a cable like system
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where customers sign up for specific websites and must pay
to see each individual site. Beyond a certain point, subscription
browsing would be limited, Extra fees would be applied to
access out of network sites, and many sites would be
blocked altogether. This is a quote we have had inside
sources from bigger companies who gave us the information on
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how exclusively deals are being made at this very minute
between ISPs and big content providers like TV production studios
and major video game publishers to decide which sites will
be in the standard package offered to their customers, leaving
all the rest of the Internet un reachable unless you
pay extra subscription fees per every non standard site you visit. This,
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according to this report, will be done in the year
twenty ten. Isn't it funny when in twenty ten is
also the year that the North American Union is supposed
to go into effect. Coincidence, We're going to find out
tomorrow night here on the X s Owne when one
of my guess is going to be Brian David Anderson.
As we talk about this, the Canadian ISPs planning to
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charge for Internet services. I guess this hour is ed Kraft.
He served in the United States Army with a secret
clearance as volunteer soldier with the Headquarters with the Headquarters
United Nations Joint Security Force at the Joint Security Area,
Camp Kittihawk on the thirty eighth parallel between Pan Munjum, Korea, Headquarters,
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eighth Army Engineering Battalion, Second Division, Korea the headquarters and
the Headquarters Battalion Fort Devons, Maryland, the Headquarters seventh Special
Forces Medical Support Battalion Fort Devons in Maryland again and
he was awarded the Armies Overseas Ribbon Service Ribbon and
the Army Achievement Medal for his service. It had his
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first unusual encounter with a hairy creature as a young
boy in South Florida, which was featured in a book
called Encounters with the Strange and Unexplained by internationally renowned
Rolling Stones photographer Matt Hoyle. Since his initial encounter with
the unknown, he has investigated strange unexplained lights in the
night skies and research government cover ups of the Lofo phenomenon.
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He has also investigated ghostly occurrences in homes and businesses,
and has stood on the Pyramid of the Sun at
the Ruins a teacher Connon in Mexico. It has searched
for the swamp ape in the wilds of Florida swamps
and explored many more phenomenon of unexplained nature. Want to
come back in two minutes at Kraft and I will
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here on Talk Stared Craft is my special guest this hour. Ed,
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Welcome to the xcellon I thought, Rob, how are you tonight?
I'm doing great? Thanks? Ed. A question for you, how
is it that you decided to author a book on
RFO was after so many years of research in them?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Why now, well, let me let me take a step
back here, if I could particular Rob, it's not the
Maryland that poor Devin's is in. It's actually Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Let me let me I want to correct that, because
I don't need anybody writeing me about that Massachuset. It
in Massachusetts, many of Massachusetts about Maryland. Uh. But uh,
well it came about because, uh, I think the timing
is right on it. You know, people have asked the
question and we alone in the universe for for millions
and millions and millions of years, and I think the
attitudes and perspectives on that question have really changed in
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this day and age. People are more prepared. I think
it's more open minded to the possibilities and potentials. In
my upcoming book, I've asked I actually presented a classic example.
Young gentleman sent me a through an email. I have
permission to actually use his name. It's Ryan Hoge sent
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me a nice little class report that he did in
a public school system. I think it was about two
years ago, and he got an A on this this report,
and it was on extraterrestrials and a public school system.
Now that's something that I know in my day and age,
when I was in thirteen years old, if I'd have
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turned in a school report on extraterrestrials, my teacher would
have thrown it into the trash can said, take this away,
you give me a report on a real subject. Don't
ever turn something like this in again, or just give
me a fly out at app on it, much less
taking it seriously. So I use it in the book
as an example of how times are changing and how
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open minded people are becoming, because this young gentleman was
so creative that he took the time time to actually
research the subject and turn it in, and the teacher
took it so seriously that a public school teacher actually
gave him a legitimate grade for that type of research
in the public school system, and that's something we don't
see today.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Those times are really changing.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yes, I mean, so now it's one better time to
write a book on UFOs than now, because we're seeing
such a you know, changing of the guards stink and
this is the next generation that's coming up, and we
are going to see disclosure come about on the subject
matter that it's going to be. That generation is going
to force our governments to bring about that change.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
How come this generation hasn't been able to do it?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I think because this is the generation that's kind of
caught in the middle. We're caught in the crosshairs. We're
in between the old generation, who was the fifties generation,
the believe in your government faithfully generation, and we're sort
of that this children of Vietnam, the complete distrusting generation,
and the hippie generation. So we're kind of in that
(10:05):
crossfire generation, right smack dab in the middle somewhere, whereas
our children are going to be the ones who are
going to be able to kind of get out from
underneath all that blanket and come forward and say, look, okay,
we forgive everything. Let's get on with our lives. Tell
us the truth, and let let's move past all the
garbage down.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
So what happens if the government said, listen, guys, we've
been telling you this for years and years and years.
There are no UFOs, we are not being visited, there's
no conspiracy. This is the truth.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Well, unfortunately, and this is where the catch twenty two
does come in. And there is a catch twenty two
here until I don't think they're going to Eventually they
will eventually be able to do that, but only after
all the players who are involved, say like in the
Roswell air, have died off. And the only reason I
say that is because for sixty years they have been
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lying to us, at least sixty years that we know about,
they have been lying to us, and they've been telling
lies to cover uppose lives. So anyone who runs for
any elected office that has been tied into those lies
at one point or another is not going to be
able to run for an elected office. Why not, because
if he comes forward now and says, hey, I was
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involved in this and yes we lied about it, no
one's going to vote for him.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
But what happens if he comes forward and he says, oh,
if so, you mean if somebody who's political suicide?
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
He says, Okay, yeah, I was involved with this thing,
but I'm telling you the truth. Now. You know, it's
still political suicide. So tell everybody has died off that
was ever involved in that one way or the other.
There's you know, it's political suicide for anyone to ever
confess to having anything to do with a period.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
All Right, Something I've I've never understood about the Roswell crash.
Maybe you can help me understand this. Why did Jesse Marcell,
the intelligence officer who went out to Brazil's farm or
stop at his house with key evidence instead of going
right back to the base.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Well, I suppose I asked Jesse Jr. To that question.
I sat down and talk with Jesse Marcell Jr. And
asked him that question. And one of the reasons was
it was the hour and the hour of the night.
He was on his way. He was on his way
home that evening because of the they had actually stayed
over late that evening. He was on his way back
to the base with it. He had some It was
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just a small amount. He was just going to take
it back to the base with him in the morning.
It wasn't it wasn't a huge amount. It was a
small box full. It wasn't like he had these, you know,
a huge car load. It was just a very small
amount and he was just going to haul it back
to the base with him in the morning.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
But I know, you know what, I looked at it
in a totally different light. If what would happen if
a police officer who was at a crime scene decided, well,
I'm not going to take it back to the station. Tonight.
I'm going to stop off at home and I'll show
my kids and my wife the evidence that I found
at the crime scene, and then the next day takes
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it to the station. That doesn't make sense. And yet
you've got the guy in charge of intelligence for the
base who decides to go home, wake up his wife
and kid, and show him the stuff that he found
that's supposed to be a UFO. Does that make sense
to you?
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Well, it does in a way, because the crime scene
is a different story. You're talking about a murder. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
don't think from out of this world different. But doesn't
he But doesn't he have to show your kid a
piece of a flying sponsor versus, you know, a murder weapon.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Well, I'll tell you something. Being a responsible person, no
I won't, because being a responsible person, I would take.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Him your responsible person. Nobody said Jesse he was responsible?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Well, then what the hell was he doing as an officer,
as an intelligence officer? Then who in the name of
God put a guy like that in charge?
Speaker 5 (14:01):
You? Hey, how many how many people? You know? What
does it take to be an officer in the military
these days?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Brains?
Speaker 5 (14:09):
I hope, you hope, but that doesn't necessarily you know,
it is not always the case. All it requires is
that he is a little bit of testing. You know,
we have people who get in the military all the time.
They get into these high positions and they end up,
you know, going to jail and they end up committing crimes,
just like any other occupation that's out there, all right,
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But what.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Does this do for the credibility of the case after
you've just painted Jesse Marcel as a loose cannon.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I'm not saying I'm not painting him as a loose
The potential is there. The potential is always there, and
you have to you have to consider that there there
are both sides of this picture here. I don't think
in in his case that I think that his case
does hold the lidity because of his background, he is
a very credible witness. Turns out, if you look at
(14:57):
his case history, he was out, uh, he was very
much aware of what weather balloons looked like. The man
turns around, he does go home with this stuff. Like
I said, it was on his way to the base.
The man stops in, he goes to show his wife
and kids this he's just seen this flying saucer. The
man is in shock.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on here,
hold on here, time out. How do you know he
saw a flying saucer? And where has this ever been stated?
That he saw flying saucer before.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
He saw some materials that he'd never seen before.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
That doesn't mean it was from a flying saucer, does it?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
He knows, he knows he saw something that he had
never seen on this Earth before.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Okay, he had never seen That doesn't mean it didn't
come from this planet. It's just that he.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Had never seen it. I'm nebuted. Now in my book
I described this could be our take, This could be
something that he was not aware of that did come
from this planet. I will give you that. I'm not
I'd never state that it wasn't it was extraterrestrial in nature.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Okay, So the flying saucer parts that he saw could
have very well come from this planet and it was
a material. It was material or substance that he was
not aware of.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Correct. Okay, Now, I will give you that. I do
state that in my book. I'm not I'm not never
gone there with that.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Okay, tell me something. Why is it that the story
died so fast, and it was only after Stanton Friedman
wrote the book that the story was revived.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Run that by me again.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Why was the Why was it that the original story
of this alleged crash died very fast and it stayed
dead for years until Stanton Friedman wrote his book and
then the interest was revived again.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Why? I think it probably had a lot to do
with the fact that the government did its job the
way it was supposed to. They were very good at
covering up. They went in at a time when people
are loyal Americans. Uncle Sam said, look, you need to
be quiet, and you know, the loyal American not a
not a communist, and do you know, keep your mouth shut.
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And that's exactly what they did.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
But that's the theory, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Well, it's all theory for crying out out, that's all
it is. It's all theory. If we could prove it,
we'd have the fact that we wouldn't be asking the questions.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Mind you hypothesis, that's right, that's right. So the entire
thing when it comes to Roswell, including the mg m
J twelve documents, which apparently have been debunked several times
over and once again, who received the m J twelve documents.
Was it Stanton Friedman? Dead?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Friedman actually did? Now I have I have some difficulty
with the m J twelve documents to some extent. I
think some of the older documents. There's some validity to
some of them to some extent, but I think that
I have to give credit where credits due. I think
that the particularly these last ones that are coming out
(17:58):
are total bunk. I haven't say any supporting documents to
say that these are real.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I just find it ironic.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
There's nothing to find. There's nothing in any archive that
I can find to support or substantiate some of the
latter documents, and they keep coming forward. That's that's the
thing that that amazes me. I still these were these
supporting documents and date books and things to show some
support for him. They just don't exist.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I still find it ironic that once again it was
Stanton Friedman who received the MJ twelve documents and no
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to ask you to explain what the MJ twelve documents are?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Okay, Well, the MJ twelve documents are. Let's let's go back,
and it kind of answer yours answering your question there
because it kind of ties into what we were just asking.
The MJ twelve documents are a group of documents that
were originally turned over or mysteriously turned over supposedly to
a filmmaker by the name of Jamie Shandera, and he
(24:15):
claimed that in December of nineteen eighty four that there
were a couple of there two roles of he received
two roles of undeveloped thirty five millimeter film in the mail,
and then all these two roles of film were a
bunch of documents or microficial type documents that supposedly talked
(24:38):
about a secret group of twelve government officials that had
knowledge of different UFO crashes in top secret UFO events,
and they answered only to the President himself, which was
Dwight D. Eisenhower at the time when President elect d.
Eisenhower who had established this group, and what he had done.
(25:03):
What Jamie Shander did once he received these documents is
that he went to two individuals who were currently working
on researching the of course Roswell case, which we were
just discussing, and that was Stanton Friedman research of Stanton Friedman,
and I believe it was also more I'm trying to
(25:25):
think of Roger Moore's last name. I believe I think
of his last name off the top of my head.
I don't have my notes in front of me, but
Stan Breedman was one of the research one of the
two researchers that shandera took Jamie Shander took his this
film to try to find out whether or not these
documents were real. And they have several names for him,
(25:48):
Majestic twelve, NJ twelve, magic Coom, you name it. They're
known by multiple names, but essentially it's a huge group
of documents. Originally it was a small hand full of
documents on this uh this these two roles of film,
and now it's it's turned out to be like literally
hundreds and hundreds of documents. And allegedly, this this group
(26:10):
of this group of twelve individuals still carries over into
today and it's still answers only to the president. And
it's this group that allegedly heads this this mysterious m
I V. Force. And you know that the legend has
gone on and turned in into some mysterious thing at
this point in time. And I love the opinion that, yes,
(26:32):
maybe at one point time this m J twelve was
a legitimate group of individuals, but it was more or
less a one time or deal or one time committee
type of scenario in which, you know, President Eisenhower said, look,
let's all sit down, look at this. We'll call it
call it m J twelve Code name m J twelve.
(26:52):
This is a secret media. We're going to have to
discust the issue. A one time deal, that was it,
if it was said and done, and you know, somebody,
I hope that these documents discovered it and turned it
into this big to do And I think really that's
the bottom line is to what MJ twelve is all about.
To get back to what you were talking about earlier
out I think that yes, there was some legitimacy to
(27:12):
the early documents, but I think over time it's been
fake so much now that ninety percent of what was
out there is just pure garbage. And Stan Freeman was.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Called out by Phil Class on the issue to documents
were fake at one point in time because he was
Phil Class challenged.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Him offered one hundred dollars per copy if Stan Friedman
can actually produce he said. He said that the most
documents of that error were typed in Elite format or
a leaf font and on the typewriters, and he offered
Stan Freedman one hundred dollars for every example of any
document that he could produce in Pika font from that era.
(28:01):
Because some of the documents the alleged m J twelve
documents were actually typed in by a fond and he
said that was proof that they were fake. Well, what
Stan Friedman did was go back to other government documents
from that error and produce examples and Class Class Bill
Class ended up paying him, I think about one thousand
dollars because he was paying him by the page, one
(28:26):
hundred dollars per page.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
You know. Thing he didn't say one hundred dollars per letter, right.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
He was one hundred dollars per page, so you know
he was he was still pulling, pulling out the pages,
and Class said, okay, I give up you when you
know I was wrong. So you know, it's hard to
prove that these things are real or fake. And there
you know, it's one of those catch twenty twos. But
the only way you can really track some of these
down and find out if they are is is to
(28:52):
kind of look at them and see because most of
these are all blacked out anyway. The only way is
to find a line or a date. For instance, there's
some of the one of the earlier documents that refers
to President Eisenhower being in a meeting at a certain
time with a certain individual, and you go back and
look at President Eisenhower's date. Look where you know, it
shows who's actually in that location, at that meeting with
(29:14):
that individual, at a meeting with that individual. You know,
that's kind of how you can verify some of these documents.
And some of them pan out and some of them don't.
So you've got a mix and match of real versus
fake with these documents. So it's really makes it really
hard to weed out the good from the bad. And
most of them are focused. But I think there are
(29:34):
a few legitimate documents, and I think it's, like I said,
just a.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
One time more deal, you know, ed, there's always the
question that comes up. You know, a few phones are real.
Why don't they just land on the White House lawn?
How do you typically address this question?
Speaker 6 (29:48):
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Speaker 5 (29:48):
I love that question. Well, I think they probably came close.
And eybody can go to my mindspace page and seek
for themselves because the video's still up there, and that
has to do with the Battle over LA and not
the Battle over LA. I'm sorry, the incident over in
nineteen fifty two over the White House, and I excuse me,
(30:11):
not the White House, the Capitol building in which it
occurred on two consecutive weekends in July of nineteen fifty two,
several objects buzz the Capitol Building. These were for seen
on radar and trace. They were even reported in Captain Rupert,
(30:34):
who was working with Project blue Book at the time,
was actually sent out. He wasn't allowed to pursue it
because he was sent off, and they didn't even really
follow up with the issue. But Eisenhower actually commented on
the issue because it was such a big deal, seen
by hundreds of witnesses, and it was traced by radar,
(30:55):
both civilian and military, and the official explanation with false
radar blips people it was birds, it was meteors. And
you can clearly see in videos which are all over
like said, you see Moneion, you seem anywhere anybody wants to.
They're on my website, on my MySpace page. There's still
still out there, they still exist that this is. This
is a formation of something flying directly over the Capitol
(31:20):
Building two consecutive weekends. And they certainly weren't birds unless
they were fluorescent birds flying around at night glowing in
the dark. And I don't know any birds that glow
in the dark.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
What time of year was this?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
It was in July, so it was in the summer.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Wow, so there would be enough people outside to actually
see what was going on.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Even back then it was the no fly zone. You know,
you don't just have a whole formation of unannounced visitors
flying over the Capitol building, the US Capitol.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Now, with the majority of cases that were investigated by
Project Blue Book having been explained as natural or man
made craft, are there any cases that they could not
explain why?
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yes, interestingly enough, and they have still tried to this day.
Many people have come forward and tried to explain it away.
But it's by a very credible witness, and it's the
Runny Lonis was Amaura case and Lennie's a. Mura was
actually a police officer in out in California. He saw
an object that landed in two entities or he lands
(32:26):
or whatever it was he saw get out in. Uh.
I guess you'd call them aluminium colored suits. Uh. Because
I say that because they've often been described by some
or tried to be explained away as testing the lunar lander,
this type of craft. What has been explained is that's
(32:46):
one of the explanations. However, the reason I say that
it hasn't been explained away is because Major Hector Quintonella Junior,
the director of Project blue Book, actually got involved took
a personal interest in Lenny Zamora's case. And while Hector
Quintinella was a very prominent debunker of UFOs and very
(33:09):
pro Project Loubook, which was the public debunker's view of UFOs,
what he actually his opinion of the Zamora case was
that he believes Lonnie Zamora was telling the outright truth,
and he clearly stated that several times in his official
(33:31):
report and summarization on it in Project blue Book. He
himself could not explain that case, and he believed that
Lonnie Zamora was a very rational and credible witness and
that something had occurred that he could not explain. His
official diagnosis was on that case was unsolved.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
How about Kexpert.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Texburg Textburgh is an interesting case. A lot of people
tie the whole thing to the writing on the on
the bell itself, on the object itself, because this hieroglyphic
type writing. I'm not sold in that, because it seems
to be only one or two witnesses that ever saw it.
The vast majority don't even report any any writing. There
(34:17):
doesn't seem to be bodies or anything like that. Most
don't even report openings on the object. However, there does
seem to be so tie into the Nazi bell technology.
I'm a big supporter of this earthly technology, you think
when it comes to Kexburg, because we brought over some
Nazi scientists during Project paper Clip, which would tie in
(34:40):
one in particular, would tie into a device known as
the repult scene engine. Very much fits the time frame
for the Kexsburg incident. There was a similar object seen
at right Field, Ohio, our right Patterson Air Force Base
in Ohio shortly after that craft. However, in two thousand
(35:01):
and three, despite the government having said US government having
said that we were never on the scene, we never
recovered anything from Pecksburg thanks to Freedom of Information Act, NASA,
believe it or not, of all all the places, freedom
of Information Act request turned up the fact that, yes,
in two thousand and three, NASA said they actually had
(35:21):
their hands on some of the debris and it was
a Chinese satellite. NASA actually touched the debris from that object.
Despite the fact that the government said they never went
out there, never recovered anything.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Well, is it possible that the government was saying that
they didn't go out there and you know that they
didn't recover anything because of national security.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Yeah, I'm sure they were because NASA, you know there
it is Freedom of Information Act. NASA of all places,
had the proof that that's what it was. I mean,
there's the answer right there. NASA of all places had it.
They came forward and said, oh yeah, we had it
all along, we just could talk about it and it
(36:05):
was declassified. There it is Keecksburgh. Here's the crash debris material.
We had it all along. It was the satellite material
from this. So yeah, I believe that's what it was.
It was it was that or it was earthly technology.
I'm convinced one way or the other. It was earthly technology.
I don't really think it was anything betterly technology.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
How about the evasive men in black? Everybody loves to
talk about them. Come on, oh well, Smith, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Just I have a big problem. I've spoken, like I said,
with Jesse myrsel Junior and several people. I don't know
of anyone who's actually been threatened by these people. I
can't say I've never had run in most researchers I
know and talk with nobody. None. There are many stories
about this one dying of that or this one disappearing.
(36:55):
I think it's mostly coincidental. Maybe some sick, sick individuals,
you know. The other sides I think are legitimate suicide
in some cases. I mean, let's face it, people have problems, yep.
But I know of no one who has legitimately been threatened,
And only maybe one or two cases do I know
(37:17):
of anyone even claiming to be threatened. And even in
those cases, they're more sensationalized cases. Most rational individuals and
research and study and republic about it have never been
threatened once that I know.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
But don't you wouldn't you agree that sensationalism within the
UFO community is causing a lot of skepticism out there.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Oh yes, I do. And I think it's I think
it's it's it's ridiculous. I think it's it's all part
of that. It's the same type of mentality that feeds
into the the UFO cult mentality.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
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Ed Kraft is our special guest at this hour. First
of all, Ed, before we get on any further, I'd
like to thank you very much for coming on the show.
And you know, it's the UFO and the UFO phenomenon.
I I I think that it has to be settled
one way or the other. You know, it's it's one
of those things where you've got you've got a lot
(41:37):
of theories. You've got a lot of stories, but no
hardcore evidence exactly.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
And and that's the problem I have with with with
with the groups that are out there is you have
the you have two groups that you have the believers
and you have the debunkers. And I love the school
that you know. You said, as a researcher, I prefer
to have a hypothesis. Okay, I don't believe and I
(42:06):
don't debunk, you know, I like to form a hypothesis.
Is a researcher and a scientist. That's the way I
think it should be. You know, you set out your
form of hypothesis and you try to find evidence to
either support or disprove it either way. That's the rational
thing to do. And that way you reach a truth
one way or the other. Whereas what we have today
(42:26):
is you have the believers who set out to find
out proof that yes, these things are et, They're gonna
land on the White House lawn and that's the end
of the story. They're gonna save the planet. Or you
have the demunkers who say, look, it's all complete bunk
and there is nothing to it, you know, get on
with your live people, you know, put away your luminable
hats and stop riding the e te train. And that's
(42:49):
that's the two schools that are out there. And I
think the truth lies in the middle exact and we've
we've got to find That's what we need to do
is stop you know, taking a side, get to the
rationale and putting together the evidence and using our brains
instead of trying to play, you know, one side or
the other. Let's let's put our heads together and get
to the bottom of this thing once and for all.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
And what about people like Billy Meyer.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Billy Meyer. Billy Meyer is an interesting gentleman, some excellent
UFO footage and in films and pictures back in the day.
I noticed as time has progressed, he's become a little
relaxed in his photography work. I will say that I've
compared some of his footage to some footage I've seen
(43:36):
in other areas. For instance, one of my martial arts teachers,
I noticed, you know, he had this chain link weapon
that he would swing around and he'd light it, light
the end of it and swing it around and blind
the opponents. And it had a little weight on the
end of it at night, and this would blind the
opponent and of course hit him in the head with
the weighted chain and its slung around it made this nice,
(43:57):
neat little circle of lighter out his head in the photograph. Well,
I compared that to a picture that Billy Myers has,
and he's standing in this ring of light and he
calls it the god, you know, this this light force
field or whatever that these aliens are putting around him. Well,
when I put the picture of the Grandmaster next to
(44:20):
my teacher next to Billy Myers in this force field,
they're identical. They're identical. You know, you could aside from
you know, one being my teacher and one being Billy Meyer.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Bill and I hate to do this, we've just run
out of time, but I'd love to have you back
on in the future.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
That'd be great, he'd be great, Bill, Bill.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, and it's been really nice talking to you. Take
care of yourself and thanks very much for joining us tonight.
Ed Kraft are very special guest tonight talking about the UFOs.
This new book is called UFO's The Dociate Dossier, and
we'll have that back on because where there's so much
more to cover when I come back from the news.
At the top of the hour, Eli Marzouli joins me
here in the X Zone, right here on the Talk
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