November 15, 2025 • 49 mins
Ed Komarek is a longtime UFO/ET investigator and activist having been involved in the field for forty years. He was involved in exopolitics long before the word exopolitics was coined by Alfred Webre a few years ago. For the past several years Ed has written over one hundred exopolitical essays on exopolitics published to this blog and in the Internet press. The essays are regularly published in the American Chronicle, The Oped News, The Canadian National Newspaper as well as in the UFO/ET community by UFO Digest and The Alien Seeker News. Because these articles can be republished by anybody they float about the Internet creating an extensive global exopolitical network feeding back into the blog. Recently Ed has compiled these essays and cases into a free Internet e-book that can be read on the Internet or printed out for easy reading. It is believed to be the most extensive and detailed exopolitics book available to the public to date. - http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/
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Ed Coomeric and Ed is a longtime UFO ET investigator
and active activist, having been involved in the field for
forty years. He was involved in the exopolitics long before
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the word was ever coined by Alfred Weber a few
years ago. For the past several years, ED has written
over one one hundred exopolitical essays on exopolitics published to
this blog, which is www dot exopolitics dot blogspot dot com,
and other Internet pages as well. The essays are regularly
(02:17):
published in the American Chronicle, the OpEd News, the Canadian
National newspaper as well as in the ufoet community by
UFO Digest and the Alien Seeker News. And joining me
now is Edkamerica and Ed Welcome back to the X
zone and how are things with you in this new year?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So far?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Hi, Rob, things are going along pretty good. How's it
with you?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, it's a new year, a lot of great things
happening here in the X zone. But tell me Ed
in ufology, are there more sightings than usual or are
the sightings staying the same?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
It obviously things that be, they're increasing. There wire some
stuff I saw on the Internet about British uf sightings
and there was a very marketed decrease increased in the
last few years, so it's increasing worldwide. And also it
seems like people are getting better and better pictures even
though we have problems, you know with people making better
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and better fakes, and so it's hard to tell the
difference between you know, what's real and what's not as
far as images are concerned. So you know, when you're
dealing with images, it's a good idea to have witness
testimony and an UFO researcher, you know, check out the
people involved that are you know, involved with promoting the images.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Tell me, ed, how long and how did you get
involved in the investigation and study of UFOs well.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I was born and raised in southwestern Georgia, which is
way down in the Deep South, And at seventeen years
of age, I had one year at a local college
and I decided to go out, strike out of my
own and go to Fairbanks, Alaska for my next years
of college. And so at seventeen, in nineteen sixty seven,
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I went to the university and began at the University
of Alaska, and Fairbanks at that time was a real
frontier community and downtown there were like lines of bars,
you know, with the college students would go down and
drink and play pool. And I expect, I don't know
for sure, but I expect in the middle of winter
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on that first winter that I was there, I, you know,
went out to get some fresh air, which was you know,
probably forty fifty below zero at the time, and I
walked by a little side street that had new Age
bookstore above it, and I got curious and opened the
door and was greeted by you know, warmth and incense
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and crystals and rose and rows of books on a
paranormal UFOs reincarnation out of the body experiences. And this
was really I just felt right at home and it
really blew me away, and I started reading up on
the subject, and what happened was is that eventually created
an extensiustual crisis in my mind. I went to it
(05:10):
very difficult three or four years in adapting to all
this new information and expanding my worldview. But since that
time it's been up all the way because I learned
to discipline my mind and my mind and my emotions
and kick out depressive thoughts and things like that. So
I've developed a very positive attitude for the rest of
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my life. And I've continued to be involved in all
these different areas, but I've tended to focus on UFOs
because it's one of those things that's where you can
there's evidence of solid evidence where you can kick the tires,
so to speak, crash retrievals and that sort of thing.
So I've tended to focus over the years more on UFOs,
but I'm still very interested in other aspects of poor
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paranormal because that's a much larger worldview of perspective in
which the et reality also reside interrest reality.
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Ed.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
There are those that are uninformed, and they often ask
whether or not the aliens actually pose any threat to us,
and you should we really care about it.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
The way that I look at it is I actually
wrote about a little bit about that in my latest article,
is that each one of us, as individuals, you know,
who have our little micro environments that we operate in,
are very much influenced by the micro environment or the
terrestrial politics and economics. And the analogy I thought about was,
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it's kind of like a farmer in a remote area
of the world that you think what need to be
is pretty much out of touch with the rest of
global society. But it's very important for that farmer to
know about global society and what's going on on the
political economic front, because it involves the prices that he
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gets for his farm products, and involves prices on his fertilizer,
and it you know, it also involves fuel costs, and
these are all influenced by global politics. And economics, and
so we're in the same kind of situation as that farmer.
That is very important for him to not only know
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about what's going on in the rest of the world,
but also how to position himself to you know, with
that knowledge to his best advantage. And unfortunately, we're kind
of in the situation where we're like a farmer that
doesn't have any idea what's going on in the rest
of the world, and so he's at mercy to changes
in fuel costs and crop prices and cannot you know,
(12:41):
change his crops, you know, to meet the different market
conditions around the world. So somebody that knows has an
overall perspective has a great advantage of, you know, over
the farmer that you know has a very limitedspective. And
so I kind of think of it that way that
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we're being impacted on a exopolitical basis in ways that
we do not Most people don't even have an inkling
of what's happening to them, but they're being attacted impacted,
and what you don't know definitely can hurt you.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
How do we know if we as an individual or
someone we know or someone we love is actually being
abducted by these aliens or having contact with them.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Okay, it's tough, you know, dealing with one individual, you know,
dealing with one individual. But the way that I like
to do is is that I like to gather as
much information as I can from you know, what I expected,
you know, are credible individuals and other credible information, and
then cross reference that information to come up with patterns,
(13:58):
general patterns as to what's really going on. So I'm
not dependent dependent upon what one particular individual experience has
to say, but more about where many, many individuals are involved,
and you know, using comparative analysis on the information that
I've gathered to come up with these patterns. And it's
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true of some cases, you know, people have a lot
of other motivations other than the truth, and you have
to windle out the week from the chaff, so to speak.
And for an ordinary person that's very difficult to do
because they don't have, you know, that much knowledge and
experience and but alone maybe the capacity to be able
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to sort things out. So that's where people like I,
you know, can be of great help to people. You know,
if they feel like my work and they feel that
it's credible, I can get you know, give them the
concepts in which to the overall perspective in which they
can then begin to evaluate what an individual friend has
told them or what their you know, their own personal experiences.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Do you think, after all the research that you've done
and that you're continuing to do, that the governments of
the world are truly suppressing the information about UFOs and ets?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Breaking up a little bit with you, I don't know
if it's my phone or not. Could you repeat the question? Sure?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I was asking you if, after all the years that
you've been doing investigations into UFOs and the related fields,
if you believe that the governments of the world are
suppressing the information that they have on UFOs and alien beings.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
The evidence is it's just incredible for anybody that really
wants to, you know, get on the internet and search
the data that's now available, you know, on crash retreeals,
on abductions, on contact tee cases. Uh, They're just a
(16:08):
massive amount of information available to people. Like I said,
but the problem is is that people being able to
sort that out. So there's no doubt in my mind
that the information is being suppressed and for uh, for
a number of reasons. The first reason was is that
people were. The military and the political uh leaders and
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scientists were very afraid when uh you know, spaceships started
falling out the sky, and their natural rejerk, you know
reaction after World War Two was to uh classify everything
and uh suppress the information until they figured out what
was really going on. But unfortunately, the problem went from
fear to greed, and a lot of corporations realized that
(16:53):
they could make a whole lot of money off of
reverse engineering extraterrestrial resources, uh, you know, for the marketplace,
and so the cover up switch from you know, the
main motivated for the cover up switch from fear to greed.
And that's a real problem for our society and very
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damaging it for us both spiritually, mentally and emotionally and
even our environment.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Besides the information on the internet, ED, what evidence do
you have to substantiate the fact that you believe UFOs
are here? Have you have you seen have you touched
any evidence? Have you seen the evidence firsthand? Or are
you going by secondhand information.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I have. I have talked to so many people over
the last forty years. I have seen some possible evidence.
There was a guy in Atlanta that had claimed that
had a small piece of a spacecraft that looked like
some kind of a plastic composite. Uh, but it wasn't
extremely hard or whatever. It's like, maybe it's some kind
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of an insulation or whatever involved in a case. But
mostly I've talked Mostly I feel very comfortable about the
government documents that can be accessed at majestic dot com.
So I think it's called Majesticdocuments dot com, and that's
a good place for people to start on the avidence
(18:26):
of the government's owned documents. Now, you know, they're releasing
documents all over the world on a regular basis. Sometimes
they publicize it and sometimes, like in Canada, they just
slipping them out. But I've also had a lot of
personal experiences with people have been involved in the military
involved in these classified programs, and also local contactees that
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have you know, given me a lot of information. So
it's kind of the cumulative effect of all the information
together allows one to put together a picture. You know,
this hopefully is eighty for sent correct as to what's
going on, and use that to fly sort of by
the seat of my pants.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Now you say you've spoken to members of the military
who have worked on classified some of these classified projects.
Now what does this tell you about their credibility? If
they're willing to give you information that is classified.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Uh, well, they can get into a lot of trouble.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
You know, but but people talk, and people some people
feel so strongly about this that they talk to me.
And it's and my blog has been very helpful. And
not only is the way of distributing you know, information
and concepts to the younger generation that they can build on,
but it also you know, allows me to build up
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a powerful intelligence gathering network. And people contacted me. But uh,
one example was Sam Stanland, who was a local guy
and uh I was you know, became good friends with
the abductee daughter of his uh.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
And.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I interviewed him and unfortunately, he made a mistake of
he was supposed to get back to the Pentagon intend
I was supposed to get back with him, and they didn't.
And when the Pentagon got back to him, they came
down on him really hard. His trailer was burglarized, and
he was given a whole new set of documents asked
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you know, to what you know, military documents and everything.
And not only was that bad, but if they came
down on a friend of his that had to even
talk to me, and afterwards both of them went out
and got drunk. And that's the kind of situation, you know,
The situation that you run up against is is that,
you know, people when they leak information, they got to
be very careful about leaking it to me because he
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can get him in a whole lot of trouble. And
sometimes people are aware of that, and sometimes people like
Sam Stanley thought that this, you know, those information had
been declassified, but it happen't. And he told me about
the information that I had never heard before, that Jimmy Doolittle,
he had seen pictures of aliens that Jimmy Doolittle had
taken and I'd never heard that in the UFO community before.
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And I called up John Lear and asked him about that,
and John said, that's interesting because when John Lear first
got interested in UFOs, his mother got a concern and
she called Jimmy Doolittle, a family friend and he says, yes,
it's real, but I can't talk about it. And so
it's a very serious thing, you know, and I protect
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a lot of my sources, you know, very carefully.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Without without uh, let me ask you this question, and
I'll give you over the interview, over the the newsbreak
to come up with an answer. Why would members of
the military come to you and give you classified information
instead of going to mainstream media where they could actually
become whistleblowers. That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Okay, do you don't made a continue here?
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Speaker 3 (26:37):
Before we went to the commercial break, I asked you
a question, and I didn't ask it to be sarcastic.
I didn't ask it to be mean. I just can't
understand why these whistleblowers are willing to talk to a
researcher and an internet writer like yourself instead of going
directly to mainstream media, where if their evidence was substantiated
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and checked out and verified, would hit the worldwide listener
and viewer audience.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Well, what you have to understand is is that most
real whistleblowers, there's some that have gone public, and you know,
they take the heat. You know, Stephen Greer has you know,
brought out quite a few of those, you know, that
have offered her to testify in Congress and you know,
at the National Press Club. And but they're also You've
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got to understand that being that this is highly classified
and people are risking you know, not only themselves, but
their pensions and their livelihood, you know, and their clearances,
they don't want to go out into the public domain
or talk to the mainstream press because this has gold
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all come down on them. So that's another problem that
we have is a lot of times we can't give
these people's names because that would expose them to severe repercussions.
There's legally there's a document out on the internet that
says there's a ten thousand dollars fine, it's j nap
on there's a ten thousand dollars fine and a year
(28:20):
in jail for revealing information on UFOs. And so you
have a problem there. And then contact tees, real contact
ees you know, usually avoid publicity like the plague because,
like I've written about, the military is not very happy
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with any et collaborators, and they can also get into
a lot of trouble with our government and whatever. So
you've got to understand that we're up against a massive
a cover up, an enterprise that's basically based on extreme
profitability of reverse engineering after treustrial technology. So it's all
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a matter of money, like so many other things. That
is the reason this cover up is in place. And
in fact, corporations apparently control the access to a lot
of are the gatekeepers to this classified information. Uh that
there's informations on my blogs were Admiral Wilson, Uh well,
(29:29):
actually you know, inquired into some of these special access
programs and he was met by corporate lawyers that that
that told him that he could go no further. So,
I mean, if you study up on this, you're you know,
you're up against corporation, really corporations that that controlled governments
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and uh, and they have a monopoly on this technology,
and just like any other monopoly, they don't want want, uh,
you know, the information to get out because and they
would lose their monopoly. And I call it the Alien
Resource Cartel and I've written articles about it. And it's
similar to OPEC, except that it's made up of corporations
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rather than countries. And this cartel was came out with
the guy that was ahead of the Lockheed Skunkworks and uh,
go ahead, okay, and his name was being Rich and
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you can look at us up on the internet. And
he said and he said that basically, uh that this
was no longer uh completely under the m J twelve
of the organization m J twelve, which was originally that
it had been spun off into an international board of directors.
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And so we have a lot of evidence like this,
and you put it all together other that you know,
this is a very serious matter. A lot of money
is being made.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Hold on her, hold on here, hold on here, what
is the evidence?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Okay? Just take Ben Rich's testimony. He was the head
of the Lockheedue skunk works, for instance. You can look
him up on Internet. I've got link span through to
a number of my articles.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Just tell me what the evidence.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Is, Okay, the evidence is is that is that he
came out and publicly said that we have the technology
to take et home. And he said that the the
whole UFO situation was no longer in control over governments,
but it was had been privatized and was now being
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run by International Board of Directors. And you know that
just one little, very small piece of evidence. Now, if
you want to get into documentary evidence, people can go
to the Majestic documentary.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We got a call, hold on, hold on here, hold
on here. Wasn't the Majestic Documents debunked as a hoax?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Oh of course. You know, anything that comes out is
going to beat up there. But that's part of the
program and crediting phenomena.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Ed Wait a minute, hold on here. If it's if
it's plausible and people believe it, then it's real. But
if people cannot substantiate its validity and serious people question
its validity, then it's all part of a conspiracy. Maybe
that's why the mainstream media doesn't take eupology very seriously
because there's a lot of talk, there's no meat, there's
(32:36):
no evidence. There's a lot of claims that the UFO
community make said that cannot be substantiated.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
H Well, that's you know, I think that's that is
simply not true. That anybody can go and look up
this evidence for themselves. Like I just talked about ben
Rich's testimony. You can talk about Amal Helen Carter. He
was the first head of the CIA. He came out
to say that you know UFO for real, it's on
my bogs and some of his quotes. Barry Goldwater went
(33:03):
up to Curtis LeMay, who was involved in all this,
and curse Lamas you know, and asked him about the
bodies and crashes that like Patterson's Air Force Base. This
is Goldwater, your presidential candidate. He was also an Air
Force general. He went up to Curtis Lamy and curs
Mas said, you know, don't ever ask me that question again.
And you can look that up on the internet. I
(33:24):
mean you can see so many quotes and so many
famous people and well known generals and military people and
politicians and whatever. The evidence is overwhelming, but that the
bunkers would have these believe there's no evidence, that's overwhelming,
am out of evidence. And these bunkers, a lot of them,
are vers running counter intelligence on the public, the public
from knowing what the truth is.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Get back to earth for a second, ed, there are
people out there who are as logical and as serious
as any of the people in the UFO community would
only hope to be. All people are asking for instead
of all this crap that's all over the Internet and
all these woo woo pictures and all these claims that
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can never be substantiated, is proof. That's all the world
wants is proof. And you know what, if the government
does have information, let me let me, let me give
you this scenario. Tomorrow, the President Obama calls a press
conference that he is going to tell the world exactly
(34:28):
what the United States of America has on UFOs. At
a press conference, the President of the United States comes
out and says, the truth of the UFO matter is,
we have no information. The UFO community would automatically say
it was a bunch of bunk that the President of
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the United States was lying and that the the the
cover up was still in place. But what happens if
he was telling the truth? You see, I believe that
it's the UFO community that is maintaining the conspiracy because
as long as the UFO community can convince, can convince
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people talk about a counterintelligence operation. I think the UFO
community is doing a great job on this myself. As
long as the UFO community keeps the the government conspiracy
theory alive and well, they don't have to provide any
evidence of the existence of UFOs. Why not, because the
government knows they have all the evidence. So you see,
(35:33):
it's not only the people on the outside looking in
who believe that there's a conspiracy theory. But I believe,
and so to many other people, that the UFO community
is maintaining the government conspiracy and it has nothing to
do with the government.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Well, I think you have to serve consider the alternative.
You know, you can go back and read the documents.
You know, some have been league some are classified doctors,
some you know have been leaked by governments. I mean,
Britain's has released Bukoo's documents, France, Canada has even released
a few quite a few years. Recently, very quietly, Brazil
(36:13):
has released a lot of documents. In fact, the Brazilian
military and the Air force generals are talking directly to
the Brazilian UFO community and releasing information. I mean, if
you want to ignore all this massive amount of evidence
that's available and say there's no evidence at all, I mean,
I think that's really a problem. And the way that
(36:35):
I look at it is is there's an abundance of evidence,
but you've got people that don't want this truth together.
They want to mix it up. And it's not the
UFO community that's mixing it up. It's intelligence people in
the intelligence community that have infiltrated a lot of times
in the UFO community. But you know, both as UFO
researchers and as debunkers, and it's a matter of each
(36:58):
individual to figure in figure out the truth here, you know.
But you know, I'm could come convinced that it is
not the UFO community. UFO community, it's very factionalized and
fights amongst itself and it acts like a dysfunctional intelligence
community that's been compromised, which is exactly is what has
happened over the last of sixty years. I mean, but
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you know, it's up to you know, the individual whether
to ignore all this evidence, you know, or to you know,
to try to take all this evidence that's available, it
will come to some kind of a understanding of what's
going on.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
All right, But in the grand scheme of things, big deal.
So the UFOs are here, even if they aren't here,
big deal. They're here, Big deal. The aliens are here.
According to some people within the UFO community, they've been
here since day one. So big deal. At the end
of the day, the difference.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah, this This was what I what I brought up earlier,
that you know, our micro environment, our individual environment, is
very much dependent upon the macro environment. For instance, you know,
local politics are being you know, affected by global politics.
You know, the U the US Chamber of Commerce, you know,
has a worldwide presence and then they go right down
(38:17):
into the federal government, the state, and right into every
county in this country. You know. So there's a macro presence,
you know, a macro environment here that's very important to
the understanding of our individual environment. So people thought of nounce,
you know, well, how is it going to impact me?
And I say, well, it's impacting you as far as
fossil fuels, you know, in the destruction of the environment
(38:38):
because we should have been out of fossil fuels and
into these chief alien technologies forty fifty years ago. And
this is what has thought to solve the global warming
problems problem along with many of these other problems. So
what we don't know can hurt us. It is hurting us.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
You know, we're the major problem lies. If you really
want to take a serious and honest look at the
world economy and the global the global outlook, look at China.
Take a look there. That's where a big problem of
global warming is coming from, not aliens. And don't you
think that if this alien so called technology was around
by now, it would have slipped out and one of
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the other countries in the world, who would love nothing
better to do than to smear the great United States
of America, would come out with the unequivocal proof that
the United States has been lying all these years, and
that here is a crashed UFO, here is a dead alien,
and look, here's a turbo thrust booster from a star
trek that has been circling this earth. And don't you
(39:42):
think that would have happened by now? God, if the
president of the United States can't have a presidential affair
in the most secure building in the world without the
world knowing months later, how in the name of God
are you going to suppress all this so called reverse technology?
It makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Okay, well you have to understand that there is that
there are whole aspects of the intelligence community need that
work to suppress this information as soon as he gets
out in a local newspaper or something, and then the
IA picks it up.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
The next thing, you know, you've got somebody knocks on
your door. That's a salesman. That that's you know, you know,
say you've got some physical avelenge or claim that the
physical ablems. Next thing, you get a door from some
salesman and a salesman you'll talk to you about so
and so product. Next thing, this discussion gets on the
UFOs and you said, oh, yes, you know, I've got
uh you know this little piece of craft crash craft
over here, what do let me show you? And you
(40:36):
know this sail to say that's interesting. And maybe a
week later somebody comes to the door with material seizures
warn't or he's verbalized, and the evidence is disappears and
all he has is a good story. I mean, this
has happened, you know, time and time again, and you're.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Up again and you really believe this stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Well, you know, anybody, you know, if they want to
take the time to really look at the evidence is
available and not just you know, come up and say
there's no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, like a lot
of de bonkers. Do they really wanted to book at
this avenance? Take all the little bits and pieces. Like
I say, it's like a o oz when you suppressed information.
It's like breaking a o ose and you have to
(41:16):
pick up all these little pieces and try to put
them together into the original condition of the vase. But
that even that's you know, it's difficult enough.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
And we've got a so so long for This guy
just doesn't know when to stop talking. All right, gang Ed,
thanks very much for joining us. You go watch out
for those little black men and those little black helicopters
and those alien crunches, because I'm sure they're going to
be able to get you. And I guess I'm a
debunker and proud to be one. I'll be back on
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Speaker 3 (46:28):
Welcome back. I guess I am officially now a UFO debunker. Well,
no I'm not. I'm a guy who wants answers. I'd
like to see some proof beside this. These these UFO papers,
the majestic papers that were debunked as hoaxes. I'd like
to see more evidence beside a bunch of old phonies
(46:51):
claiming to be members of the military going to people
like Ed Kameric who don't have the guts and the
dedication to go and face mainstream media. You see, you
go to a guy like Ed and you tell him
a UFO story and he believes you right off the bad. Wow,
this is fantastic. You say that you worked on this project. Wow,
it's got to be real, because you're telling me bull crap.
(47:14):
The people who go to people like good k American,
the other members of the woo woo alternative media that
we have to thank the Internet for, don't have the
credibility nor the guts to face mainstream media and present
the facts that they claim to have. You see, when
(47:36):
you talk to mainstream media and real journalists, they want
to see the proof. They want to verify using credible
means of research, not just the Internet. The big problem
is is that I believe that it's not the government
(47:56):
who is suppressing information and maintaining the UFO concs cospiracy.
It's the UFO community itself. Because, as I said to Ed,
as long as the UFO community claims there is a
government conspiracy, they don't have to produce any evidence for
the existence of UFOs. Another thing that I didn't get
(48:20):
a chance to ask ed was how does he know
these people who come to him claiming to be members
of the military are who they say they are. How
do we know Ed isn't writing all this material himself
based on his own personal beliefs, putting it on his
blog or into the other newspapers, the internet newspapers that
(48:44):
he contributes to, because you know, he doesn't want to
give away the identity of the person. Why not, because
maybe then we can actually call of the person say
did you really say this? Where's your proof? I think
there's a lot to be investigated into the UFO community,
not on the government side, but in the people in
(49:05):
the UFO community. There's a number of them in there who,
as we've exposed in the past, have very shady pasts.
We should start checking more of these people out. When
it comes to UFOs, show me the proof, Maybe then
I'll believe I'll be back on the other side of
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zone and how are things with you in this new year?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So far?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Hi, Rob, things are going along pretty good. How's it
with you?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, it's a new year, a lot of great things
happening here in the X zone. But tell me Ed
in ufology, are there more sightings than usual or are
the sightings staying the same?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
It obviously things that be, they're increasing. There wire some
stuff I saw on the Internet about British uf sightings
and there was a very marketed decrease increased in the
last few years, so it's increasing worldwide. And also it
seems like people are getting better and better pictures even
though we have problems, you know with people making better
(03:15):
and better fakes, and so it's hard to tell the
difference between you know, what's real and what's not as
far as images are concerned. So you know, when you're
dealing with images, it's a good idea to have witness
testimony and an UFO researcher, you know, check out the
people involved that are you know, involved with promoting the images.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Tell me, ed, how long and how did you get
involved in the investigation and study of UFOs well.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I was born and raised in southwestern Georgia, which is
way down in the Deep South, And at seventeen years
of age, I had one year at a local college
and I decided to go out, strike out of my
own and go to Fairbanks, Alaska for my next years
of college. And so at seventeen, in nineteen sixty seven,
(04:06):
I went to the university and began at the University
of Alaska, and Fairbanks at that time was a real
frontier community and downtown there were like lines of bars,
you know, with the college students would go down and
drink and play pool. And I expect, I don't know
for sure, but I expect in the middle of winter
(04:26):
on that first winter that I was there, I, you know,
went out to get some fresh air, which was you know,
probably forty fifty below zero at the time, and I
walked by a little side street that had new Age
bookstore above it, and I got curious and opened the
door and was greeted by you know, warmth and incense
(04:47):
and crystals and rose and rows of books on a
paranormal UFOs reincarnation out of the body experiences. And this
was really I just felt right at home and it
really blew me away, and I started reading up on
the subject, and what happened was is that eventually created
an extensiustual crisis in my mind. I went to it
(05:10):
very difficult three or four years in adapting to all
this new information and expanding my worldview. But since that
time it's been up all the way because I learned
to discipline my mind and my mind and my emotions
and kick out depressive thoughts and things like that. So
I've developed a very positive attitude for the rest of
(05:31):
my life. And I've continued to be involved in all
these different areas, but I've tended to focus on UFOs
because it's one of those things that's where you can
there's evidence of solid evidence where you can kick the tires,
so to speak, crash retrievals and that sort of thing.
So I've tended to focus over the years more on UFOs,
but I'm still very interested in other aspects of poor
(05:53):
paranormal because that's a much larger worldview of perspective in
which the et reality also reside interrest reality.
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Speaker 3 (11:02):
There are those that are uninformed, and they often ask
whether or not the aliens actually pose any threat to us,
and you should we really care about it.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
The way that I look at it is I actually
wrote about a little bit about that in my latest article,
is that each one of us, as individuals, you know,
who have our little micro environments that we operate in,
are very much influenced by the micro environment or the
terrestrial politics and economics. And the analogy I thought about was,
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it's kind of like a farmer in a remote area
of the world that you think what need to be
is pretty much out of touch with the rest of
global society. But it's very important for that farmer to
know about global society and what's going on on the
political economic front, because it involves the prices that he
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gets for his farm products, and involves prices on his fertilizer,
and it you know, it also involves fuel costs, and
these are all influenced by global politics. And economics, and
so we're in the same kind of situation as that farmer.
That is very important for him to not only know
(12:20):
about what's going on in the rest of the world,
but also how to position himself to you know, with
that knowledge to his best advantage. And unfortunately, we're kind
of in the situation where we're like a farmer that
doesn't have any idea what's going on in the rest
of the world, and so he's at mercy to changes
in fuel costs and crop prices and cannot you know,
(12:41):
change his crops, you know, to meet the different market
conditions around the world. So somebody that knows has an
overall perspective has a great advantage of, you know, over
the farmer that you know has a very limitedspective. And
so I kind of think of it that way that
(13:02):
we're being impacted on a exopolitical basis in ways that
we do not Most people don't even have an inkling
of what's happening to them, but they're being attacted impacted,
and what you don't know definitely can hurt you.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
How do we know if we as an individual or
someone we know or someone we love is actually being
abducted by these aliens or having contact with them.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Okay, it's tough, you know, dealing with one individual, you know,
dealing with one individual. But the way that I like
to do is is that I like to gather as
much information as I can from you know, what I expected,
you know, are credible individuals and other credible information, and
then cross reference that information to come up with patterns,
(13:58):
general patterns as to what's really going on. So I'm
not dependent dependent upon what one particular individual experience has
to say, but more about where many, many individuals are involved,
and you know, using comparative analysis on the information that
I've gathered to come up with these patterns. And it's
(14:22):
true of some cases, you know, people have a lot
of other motivations other than the truth, and you have
to windle out the week from the chaff, so to speak.
And for an ordinary person that's very difficult to do
because they don't have, you know, that much knowledge and
experience and but alone maybe the capacity to be able
(14:42):
to sort things out. So that's where people like I,
you know, can be of great help to people. You know,
if they feel like my work and they feel that
it's credible, I can get you know, give them the
concepts in which to the overall perspective in which they
can then begin to evaluate what an individual friend has
told them or what their you know, their own personal experiences.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Do you think, after all the research that you've done
and that you're continuing to do, that the governments of
the world are truly suppressing the information about UFOs and ets?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Breaking up a little bit with you, I don't know
if it's my phone or not. Could you repeat the question? Sure?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I was asking you if, after all the years that
you've been doing investigations into UFOs and the related fields,
if you believe that the governments of the world are
suppressing the information that they have on UFOs and alien beings.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
The evidence is it's just incredible for anybody that really
wants to, you know, get on the internet and search
the data that's now available, you know, on crash retreeals,
on abductions, on contact tee cases. Uh, They're just a
(16:08):
massive amount of information available to people. Like I said,
but the problem is is that people being able to
sort that out. So there's no doubt in my mind
that the information is being suppressed and for uh, for
a number of reasons. The first reason was is that
people were. The military and the political uh leaders and
(16:31):
scientists were very afraid when uh you know, spaceships started
falling out the sky, and their natural rejerk, you know
reaction after World War Two was to uh classify everything
and uh suppress the information until they figured out what
was really going on. But unfortunately, the problem went from
fear to greed, and a lot of corporations realized that
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they could make a whole lot of money off of
reverse engineering extraterrestrial resources, uh, you know, for the marketplace,
and so the cover up switch from you know, the
main motivated for the cover up switch from fear to greed.
And that's a real problem for our society and very
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damaging it for us both spiritually, mentally and emotionally and
even our environment.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Besides the information on the internet, ED, what evidence do
you have to substantiate the fact that you believe UFOs
are here? Have you have you seen have you touched
any evidence? Have you seen the evidence firsthand? Or are
you going by secondhand information.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I have. I have talked to so many people over
the last forty years. I have seen some possible evidence.
There was a guy in Atlanta that had claimed that
had a small piece of a spacecraft that looked like
some kind of a plastic composite. Uh, but it wasn't
extremely hard or whatever. It's like, maybe it's some kind
(18:05):
of an insulation or whatever involved in a case. But
mostly I've talked Mostly I feel very comfortable about the
government documents that can be accessed at majestic dot com.
So I think it's called Majesticdocuments dot com, and that's
a good place for people to start on the avidence
(18:26):
of the government's owned documents. Now, you know, they're releasing
documents all over the world on a regular basis. Sometimes
they publicize it and sometimes, like in Canada, they just
slipping them out. But I've also had a lot of
personal experiences with people have been involved in the military
involved in these classified programs, and also local contactees that
(18:49):
have you know, given me a lot of information. So
it's kind of the cumulative effect of all the information
together allows one to put together a picture. You know,
this hopefully is eighty for sent correct as to what's
going on, and use that to fly sort of by
the seat of my pants.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Now you say you've spoken to members of the military
who have worked on classified some of these classified projects.
Now what does this tell you about their credibility? If
they're willing to give you information that is classified.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Uh, well, they can get into a lot of trouble.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
You know, but but people talk, and people some people
feel so strongly about this that they talk to me.
And it's and my blog has been very helpful. And
not only is the way of distributing you know, information
and concepts to the younger generation that they can build on,
but it also you know, allows me to build up
(19:45):
a powerful intelligence gathering network. And people contacted me. But uh,
one example was Sam Stanland, who was a local guy
and uh I was you know, became good friends with
the abductee daughter of his uh.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
And.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I interviewed him and unfortunately, he made a mistake of
he was supposed to get back to the Pentagon intend
I was supposed to get back with him, and they didn't.
And when the Pentagon got back to him, they came
down on him really hard. His trailer was burglarized, and
he was given a whole new set of documents asked
(20:24):
you know, to what you know, military documents and everything.
And not only was that bad, but if they came
down on a friend of his that had to even
talk to me, and afterwards both of them went out
and got drunk. And that's the kind of situation, you know,
The situation that you run up against is is that,
you know, people when they leak information, they got to
be very careful about leaking it to me because he
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can get him in a whole lot of trouble. And
sometimes people are aware of that, and sometimes people like
Sam Stanley thought that this, you know, those information had
been declassified, but it happen't. And he told me about
the information that I had never heard before, that Jimmy Doolittle,
he had seen pictures of aliens that Jimmy Doolittle had
taken and I'd never heard that in the UFO community before.
(21:08):
And I called up John Lear and asked him about that,
and John said, that's interesting because when John Lear first
got interested in UFOs, his mother got a concern and
she called Jimmy Doolittle, a family friend and he says, yes,
it's real, but I can't talk about it. And so
it's a very serious thing, you know, and I protect
(21:29):
a lot of my sources, you know, very carefully.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Without without uh, let me ask you this question, and
I'll give you over the interview, over the the newsbreak
to come up with an answer. Why would members of
the military come to you and give you classified information
instead of going to mainstream media where they could actually
become whistleblowers. That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Okay, do you don't made a continue here?
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Ed.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Before we went to the commercial break, I asked you
a question, and I didn't ask it to be sarcastic.
I didn't ask it to be mean. I just can't
understand why these whistleblowers are willing to talk to a
researcher and an internet writer like yourself instead of going
directly to mainstream media, where if their evidence was substantiated
(27:03):
and checked out and verified, would hit the worldwide listener
and viewer audience.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Well, what you have to understand is is that most
real whistleblowers, there's some that have gone public, and you know,
they take the heat. You know, Stephen Greer has you know,
brought out quite a few of those, you know, that
have offered her to testify in Congress and you know,
at the National Press Club. And but they're also You've
(27:36):
got to understand that being that this is highly classified
and people are risking you know, not only themselves, but
their pensions and their livelihood, you know, and their clearances,
they don't want to go out into the public domain
or talk to the mainstream press because this has gold
(27:58):
all come down on them. So that's another problem that
we have is a lot of times we can't give
these people's names because that would expose them to severe repercussions.
There's legally there's a document out on the internet that
says there's a ten thousand dollars fine, it's j nap
on there's a ten thousand dollars fine and a year
(28:20):
in jail for revealing information on UFOs. And so you
have a problem there. And then contact tees, real contact
ees you know, usually avoid publicity like the plague because,
like I've written about, the military is not very happy
(28:41):
with any et collaborators, and they can also get into
a lot of trouble with our government and whatever. So
you've got to understand that we're up against a massive
a cover up, an enterprise that's basically based on extreme
profitability of reverse engineering after treustrial technology. So it's all
(29:04):
a matter of money, like so many other things. That
is the reason this cover up is in place. And
in fact, corporations apparently control the access to a lot
of are the gatekeepers to this classified information. Uh that
there's informations on my blogs were Admiral Wilson, Uh well,
(29:29):
actually you know, inquired into some of these special access
programs and he was met by corporate lawyers that that
that told him that he could go no further. So,
I mean, if you study up on this, you're you know,
you're up against corporation, really corporations that that controlled governments
(29:52):
and uh, and they have a monopoly on this technology,
and just like any other monopoly, they don't want want, uh,
you know, the information to get out because and they
would lose their monopoly. And I call it the Alien
Resource Cartel and I've written articles about it. And it's
similar to OPEC, except that it's made up of corporations
(30:12):
rather than countries. And this cartel was came out with
the guy that was ahead of the Lockheed Skunkworks and uh,
go ahead, okay, and his name was being Rich and
(30:33):
you can look at us up on the internet. And
he said and he said that basically, uh that this
was no longer uh completely under the m J twelve
of the organization m J twelve, which was originally that
it had been spun off into an international board of directors.
(30:56):
And so we have a lot of evidence like this,
and you put it all together other that you know,
this is a very serious matter. A lot of money
is being made.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Hold on her, hold on here, hold on here, what
is the evidence?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Okay? Just take Ben Rich's testimony. He was the head
of the Lockheedue skunk works, for instance. You can look
him up on Internet. I've got link span through to
a number of my articles.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Just tell me what the evidence.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Is, Okay, the evidence is is that is that he
came out and publicly said that we have the technology
to take et home. And he said that the the
whole UFO situation was no longer in control over governments,
but it was had been privatized and was now being
(31:44):
run by International Board of Directors. And you know that
just one little, very small piece of evidence. Now, if
you want to get into documentary evidence, people can go
to the Majestic documentary.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We got a call, hold on, hold on here, hold
on here. Wasn't the Majestic Documents debunked as a hoax?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Oh of course. You know, anything that comes out is
going to beat up there. But that's part of the
program and crediting phenomena.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Ed Wait a minute, hold on here. If it's if
it's plausible and people believe it, then it's real. But
if people cannot substantiate its validity and serious people question
its validity, then it's all part of a conspiracy. Maybe
that's why the mainstream media doesn't take eupology very seriously
because there's a lot of talk, there's no meat, there's
(32:36):
no evidence. There's a lot of claims that the UFO
community make said that cannot be substantiated.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
H Well, that's you know, I think that's that is
simply not true. That anybody can go and look up
this evidence for themselves. Like I just talked about ben
Rich's testimony. You can talk about Amal Helen Carter. He
was the first head of the CIA. He came out
to say that you know UFO for real, it's on
my bogs and some of his quotes. Barry Goldwater went
(33:03):
up to Curtis LeMay, who was involved in all this,
and curse Lamas you know, and asked him about the
bodies and crashes that like Patterson's Air Force Base. This
is Goldwater, your presidential candidate. He was also an Air
Force general. He went up to Curtis Lamy and curs
Mas said, you know, don't ever ask me that question again.
And you can look that up on the internet. I
(33:24):
mean you can see so many quotes and so many
famous people and well known generals and military people and
politicians and whatever. The evidence is overwhelming, but that the
bunkers would have these believe there's no evidence, that's overwhelming,
am out of evidence. And these bunkers, a lot of them,
are vers running counter intelligence on the public, the public
from knowing what the truth is.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Get back to earth for a second, ed, there are
people out there who are as logical and as serious
as any of the people in the UFO community would
only hope to be. All people are asking for instead
of all this crap that's all over the Internet and
all these woo woo pictures and all these claims that
(34:06):
can never be substantiated, is proof. That's all the world
wants is proof. And you know what, if the government
does have information, let me let me, let me give
you this scenario. Tomorrow, the President Obama calls a press
conference that he is going to tell the world exactly
(34:28):
what the United States of America has on UFOs. At
a press conference, the President of the United States comes
out and says, the truth of the UFO matter is,
we have no information. The UFO community would automatically say
it was a bunch of bunk that the President of
(34:49):
the United States was lying and that the the the
cover up was still in place. But what happens if
he was telling the truth? You see, I believe that
it's the UFO community that is maintaining the conspiracy because
as long as the UFO community can convince, can convince
(35:09):
people talk about a counterintelligence operation. I think the UFO
community is doing a great job on this myself. As
long as the UFO community keeps the the government conspiracy
theory alive and well, they don't have to provide any
evidence of the existence of UFOs. Why not, because the
government knows they have all the evidence. So you see,
(35:33):
it's not only the people on the outside looking in
who believe that there's a conspiracy theory. But I believe,
and so to many other people, that the UFO community
is maintaining the government conspiracy and it has nothing to
do with the government.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Well, I think you have to serve consider the alternative.
You know, you can go back and read the documents.
You know, some have been league some are classified doctors,
some you know have been leaked by governments. I mean,
Britain's has released Bukoo's documents, France, Canada has even released
a few quite a few years. Recently, very quietly, Brazil
(36:13):
has released a lot of documents. In fact, the Brazilian
military and the Air force generals are talking directly to
the Brazilian UFO community and releasing information. I mean, if
you want to ignore all this massive amount of evidence
that's available and say there's no evidence at all, I mean,
I think that's really a problem. And the way that
(36:35):
I look at it is is there's an abundance of evidence,
but you've got people that don't want this truth together.
They want to mix it up. And it's not the
UFO community that's mixing it up. It's intelligence people in
the intelligence community that have infiltrated a lot of times
in the UFO community. But you know, both as UFO
researchers and as debunkers, and it's a matter of each
(36:58):
individual to figure in figure out the truth here, you know.
But you know, I'm could come convinced that it is
not the UFO community. UFO community, it's very factionalized and
fights amongst itself and it acts like a dysfunctional intelligence
community that's been compromised, which is exactly is what has
happened over the last of sixty years. I mean, but
(37:19):
you know, it's up to you know, the individual whether
to ignore all this evidence, you know, or to you know,
to try to take all this evidence that's available, it
will come to some kind of a understanding of what's
going on.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
All right, But in the grand scheme of things, big deal.
So the UFOs are here, even if they aren't here,
big deal. They're here, Big deal. The aliens are here.
According to some people within the UFO community, they've been
here since day one. So big deal. At the end
of the day, the difference.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah, this This was what I what I brought up earlier,
that you know, our micro environment, our individual environment, is
very much dependent upon the macro environment. For instance, you know,
local politics are being you know, affected by global politics.
You know, the U the US Chamber of Commerce, you know,
has a worldwide presence and then they go right down
(38:17):
into the federal government, the state, and right into every
county in this country. You know. So there's a macro presence,
you know, a macro environment here that's very important to
the understanding of our individual environment. So people thought of nounce,
you know, well, how is it going to impact me?
And I say, well, it's impacting you as far as
fossil fuels, you know, in the destruction of the environment
(38:38):
because we should have been out of fossil fuels and
into these chief alien technologies forty fifty years ago. And
this is what has thought to solve the global warming
problems problem along with many of these other problems. So
what we don't know can hurt us. It is hurting us.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
You know, we're the major problem lies. If you really
want to take a serious and honest look at the
world economy and the global the global outlook, look at China.
Take a look there. That's where a big problem of
global warming is coming from, not aliens. And don't you
think that if this alien so called technology was around
by now, it would have slipped out and one of
(39:20):
the other countries in the world, who would love nothing
better to do than to smear the great United States
of America, would come out with the unequivocal proof that
the United States has been lying all these years, and
that here is a crashed UFO, here is a dead alien,
and look, here's a turbo thrust booster from a star
trek that has been circling this earth. And don't you
(39:42):
think that would have happened by now? God, if the
president of the United States can't have a presidential affair
in the most secure building in the world without the
world knowing months later, how in the name of God
are you going to suppress all this so called reverse technology?
It makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Okay, well you have to understand that there is that
there are whole aspects of the intelligence community need that
work to suppress this information as soon as he gets
out in a local newspaper or something, and then the
IA picks it up.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
The next thing, you know, you've got somebody knocks on
your door. That's a salesman. That that's you know, you know,
say you've got some physical avelenge or claim that the
physical ablems. Next thing, you get a door from some
salesman and a salesman you'll talk to you about so
and so product. Next thing, this discussion gets on the
UFOs and you said, oh, yes, you know, I've got
uh you know this little piece of craft crash craft
over here, what do let me show you? And you
(40:36):
know this sail to say that's interesting. And maybe a
week later somebody comes to the door with material seizures
warn't or he's verbalized, and the evidence is disappears and
all he has is a good story. I mean, this
has happened, you know, time and time again, and you're.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Up again and you really believe this stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Well, you know, anybody, you know, if they want to
take the time to really look at the evidence is
available and not just you know, come up and say
there's no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, like a lot
of de bonkers. Do they really wanted to book at
this avenance? Take all the little bits and pieces. Like
I say, it's like a o oz when you suppressed information.
It's like breaking a o ose and you have to
(41:16):
pick up all these little pieces and try to put
them together into the original condition of the vase. But
that even that's you know, it's difficult enough.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
And we've got a so so long for This guy
just doesn't know when to stop talking. All right, gang Ed,
thanks very much for joining us. You go watch out
for those little black men and those little black helicopters
and those alien crunches, because I'm sure they're going to
be able to get you. And I guess I'm a
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Speaker 3 (46:28):
Welcome back. I guess I am officially now a UFO debunker. Well,
no I'm not. I'm a guy who wants answers. I'd
like to see some proof beside this. These these UFO papers,
the majestic papers that were debunked as hoaxes. I'd like
to see more evidence beside a bunch of old phonies
(46:51):
claiming to be members of the military going to people
like Ed Kameric who don't have the guts and the
dedication to go and face mainstream media. You see, you
go to a guy like Ed and you tell him
a UFO story and he believes you right off the bad. Wow,
this is fantastic. You say that you worked on this project. Wow,
it's got to be real, because you're telling me bull crap.
(47:14):
The people who go to people like good k American,
the other members of the woo woo alternative media that
we have to thank the Internet for, don't have the
credibility nor the guts to face mainstream media and present
the facts that they claim to have. You see, when
(47:36):
you talk to mainstream media and real journalists, they want
to see the proof. They want to verify using credible
means of research, not just the Internet. The big problem
is is that I believe that it's not the government
(47:56):
who is suppressing information and maintaining the UFO concs cospiracy.
It's the UFO community itself. Because, as I said to Ed,
as long as the UFO community claims there is a
government conspiracy, they don't have to produce any evidence for
the existence of UFOs. Another thing that I didn't get
(48:20):
a chance to ask ed was how does he know
these people who come to him claiming to be members
of the military are who they say they are. How
do we know Ed isn't writing all this material himself
based on his own personal beliefs, putting it on his
blog or into the other newspapers, the internet newspapers that
(48:44):
he contributes to, because you know, he doesn't want to
give away the identity of the person. Why not, because
maybe then we can actually call of the person say
did you really say this? Where's your proof? I think
there's a lot to be investigated into the UFO community,
not on the government side, but in the people in
(49:05):
the UFO community. There's a number of them in there who,
as we've exposed in the past, have very shady pasts.
We should start checking more of these people out. When
it comes to UFOs, show me the proof, Maybe then
I'll believe I'll be back on the other side of
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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