Rob McConnell Interviews - PAUL KIMBALL - The Other Side of Truth - The 'X' Zone Radio/TV Show

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Kevin has written more than twenty five books about UFOs,
including the recently published Roswell in the twenty first Century.
Now here's the host of a different perspective, Kevin Randall.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Good evening, This is truly a different perspective, and I
really am the host, Kevin Randall. I'm going to be
joined in just a few moments by Paul Kimball, who
is a Canadian film and television producer, a writer, and
a director whose products include several documentary films on UFOs.
I'm not sure how much of this biography I should
go into, because it's quite long and extensive, and I

(02:53):
understand paulish changing his direction now and becoming a politician,
so maybe this is all passive. I will say that
he's done an awful lot of TV work, he's done
a hosted TV shows, he's hosted a blog or a podcast,
and he believes that the paranormal is actually our interaction

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with advanced non human intelligence who may be pulling things
out of our own minds and presenting it back to
us in ways that we will understand at some point. Anyway,
I'm going to kind of jump over the bio here
and just say, Hi, Paul, how's it going.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Hi, Kevin?

Speaker 6 (03:33):
Good. Two things.

Speaker 7 (03:35):
One, in terms of my belief I actually posit that
as a theory. Now that I'm a politician, I have
to be careful about saying I believe in paranormal things.
You never know, people will use that stuff against you.
They have, They've used it against me last year. And
the other thing is, and this won't really make a
whole lot of sense, or most people listening probably won't care,

(03:57):
and that's probably a good thing. But this is the
first time you and I I have talked in quite
some time, and now that I am sort of a politician,
one of the things that I really believe in is
owning up.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
To your mistakes.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
So now that I have you here in person, I
want to apologize to you in person for our little contretemp.
You and I had a dispute of falling out during
the roswell slides. Mess of all the things to fight
about that anyway, totally my fault. I released a confidential
email that you had sent to me, and it's taken
me far too long to in person apologize to you.

(04:31):
I just wanted to say what I did was wrong.
But looking back on it now, I can't believe I
did it, and I hope you accept my apology.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, looking at back on it now, I can't believe
you did it either. It's not a problem, Paul. Of
course I accept your apology. I think the whole roswell
things gotten a a lot of people's minds in different ways,
and I truly was on the peripheral. But I really
didn't have a hand in the investigation of roswell slides.
Otherwise I think things might have gone a little bit differently,

(05:01):
that I would have raised a few red flags when
they came up. But I was being fed information from
Tony Bagallia about what was going on, and that was
why I had some inside information. But I really wasn't
a part of that investigation. But that's all water under
the bridge, so we'll.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Move on, We'll move on.

Speaker 8 (05:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (05:19):
Yeah, I've always felt I've always felt bad about that,
and you know, not as bad as I would hope
they feel about the whole Roswell Slides fiasco. But I
you know, that's I'll leave it up to the Roswell
Slides promoters to engage in their own journey of self awareness.
In terms of how that all went down.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
I am absolutely a stunned that Tom Carey would have
been dragged into that thing the way he was. I
thought he was a little bit more alert on that,
but I think his belief structure got in his way
and he just thought, here is the absolute evidence that
proves that aliens are visiting Earth, and by extension, Roswell

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was an alien visitation, and he just overlooked some things
that I think in the past he would have been
more careful about. I'm just kind of appalled that he
got sucked in the way he is, But that's his
problem and not mine.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
Yeah, it has, as you know, it happens to a
lot of people. Look, Stan Friedman's my uncle. As a
lot of people know, he and I agree on some things,
and I love Stan, and I assume he still tolerates me.
But on Majestic twelve, for instance, the same sort of
thing I believe happened to Stan, that his belief system
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coming back from that path. He's never going to change
his mind about Majestic twelve. And a lot of that
has to do as you've written, as I've talked about
in the past, in that it came along and it
confirmed a story that he was already telling, and you
can either walk away from that or you can go
further down the rabbit hole. And in that case, I
think he went further down the rabbit hole, even as

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most other people stepped back and said that's too far.
So you know, it can happen to the best of us.
There's a difference in motivation between somebody who genuinely believes something,
even for the wrong reasons, and people who are hucksters.
And the Roswell Slides had a bit of both. So
you know, that's kind of the way it goes in eupology,
isn't it.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Absolutely. I think too often the belief structure gets in
the way of what people think and what people come
to believe. They're just so keyed on their own belief
structure that it kind of gets in their way. We're
going to have to take our first break here real quick.
I'm with Paul Kimball, who is at www dot winter
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Speaker 5 (11:16):
And as promised, we are back. I'm with Paul Kimball.
We were talking briefly about the Roswell slides and that
sort of thing, and I think we just kind of
beat back into the ground. So we'll move on from
there unless Paul has something he wants to say about
it that we haven't really talked about.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
Two things, One, I like your phrase the Roswell NTS slides,
so you should trademark that. And two aren't we moving
on from Roswell? If I read your email right now,
we're going to talk about Oak Island, which if you
could find one thing that might be more ludicrous than
the Roswell slides. It might be the Oak Island television show,
but sure we can go for that.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Well, that's what I was going to say. Let's talk
about Oak Island briefly, because they had another episode last
night or the other night, and you know, I've been
I've kind of been blogging about this for the last
several years and poking fun at them because it's just
so absolutely ridiculous. But last night on the preview, they
showed them digging their fourth hole in the Great Money

(12:15):
Pit area, which I think when they refer to a
money pit, they're talking about throwing money into a pit
as opposed to daking it out. But they apparently dredged
up a gold coin, which supposedly proves the treasure is there.
And I'm thinking that had they actually found money, which
would have been last summer, there would have been something
probably in the Nova Scotia newspapers or the Nova Scotia

(12:37):
area about the find at Oak Island. And since you're
in that area, I thought i'd asked, have you ever
heard anything about that?

Speaker 7 (12:44):
No, although for a lot of reasons, I don't read
the kind of local media that that might have been
in as much as I used to, but no, I
don't recall seeing anything. Television production companies can be pretty
good at keeping under wraps things that they might find,
so you know, I'm sure everybody involved in the production

(13:05):
of Oak Island is under a non disclosure agreement which
takes us back to the Roswell slides. No, just kidding,
but you know, they which probably has you know, not
insignificant ramifications if they were to preach that. So perhaps
that was one of those things. I mean, I've never
watched the show other than five minutes. I tuned in
for five minutes once and that was six minutes longer

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than I should have. It's just not for me. But
I've never really found the Oak Island in quotation marks
mystery to be very mysterious. I've been to Oak Island.
It's one of the least mysterious islands you can find
in Nova Scotia. And you know, when you talk to people,
it seems like there's been this story, this myth.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
And Nova Scotia is full of stuff like this.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
It's on the South Shore, which runs from Halifax down
to Yarmouth, which is where you can catch the ferry
domain and all along that shore. It's kind of like
history and mystery, as people like to say, and it's
kind of like Maine with Stephen King. There's every town
is a story, every house and every town is a story.
Every island has a story. There's histories of rum runners

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and pirates and privateers, and all of that is true.
All of that is part of Nova Scotia's history. But
as far as I can tell, there's never been any
credible evidence or proof offered of some sort of massive
treasure on Oak Island. So then it becomes And I
attended a conference last year where they had an historian

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who specializes in Oak Island, and he didn't talk about
the paranormal aspect or really the mystery. He talked more
for about an hour and a half about how the
story had been created and how it evolved and all
the people that had been sucked into the money pit
over the years, including Franklin Roosevelt when he was younger
was one of the investors, and I think in the

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nineteen twenties or even no, must have been the nineteen
twenties before he was president, who had put some money
into one of the exploratory efforts on Oak Island. And
here's the amazing thing, Kevin, Oak Island isn't that big,
so you would have thought that they could have dug
the entire island up by now, but apparently they haven't. So,
you know, the mystery of Oak Island is why people
are still intrigued by it. It's other than you know,

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the fact that it's been a pretty good story, pretty
well told. But in terms of the television production, it's
no mystery at all. You know, the I assume they
have decent ratings for it in the United States, and
you know they have funding for it, including as you posted,
the provincial government here has put millions of dollars into
the production of that television show over the last three

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or four years, and so somebody's making money off it,
even if it's not the Treasure Hunters themselves.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
I looked at some of the statistics and it has
bumped up over three million viewers a couple of times,
which I guess for a cable channel is really good.
And I remember back in the olden days when we
had three networks in the United States, that if you
got fewer than thirty five forty million viewers, you just
weren't doing a very good job of anything. So they're
three million dealers are just to me is not that

(16:02):
big a deal, but apparently for the cable companies it is.
But what I wondered was.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
If the.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Anybody had thought about the logistics of somebody in the
fifteenth sixteenth century of digging a hole that big and
booby trapping in that way. Did they have the capability
of doing and did they have the engineering savvy to
do something like that. I never really see that discussed
at all.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
Yeah, I've been to lectures. They used to have something,
they might still have it. They used to have something
called Oak Island Days where one day year or two
days you could get down they had you know, pirate
parades and you could go on to the island. Is
the only time of the year you could go on
to the island. Now I don't think you can go
onto the island the tall You can drive up to
the causeway and that's it. You know, they won't let
you on the island. And among that they would have speakers,

(16:53):
and some of the speakers that I saw would talk
about the history and they would say, look what you're
talking about. The engineering that would been involved here is
impossible that the resources just you know, pirates didn't have
that kind of knowledge to build the sort of thing
that you're talking about. Prince Henry Sinclair didn't have that
kind of infrastructure and knowledge to build that kind of

(17:15):
thing you're talking about. The only people that might have
would have been royal engineers in the British Army, and
even they come on, you know, in the seventeenth and
eighteenth century, didn't have the kind of knowledge and engineering
know how that we're talking about to create what would
have to be there now for you to believe that
they still haven't been able to find the treasure given

(17:35):
all that they put into it. So, you know, is
there something on Oka. I mean, years ago, when I
was in the provincial government, we funded a documentary about
Prince Henry Sinclair. It was called The Prince and the
Grail and the idea that he had brought the Holy
Grail over here hundreds of years ago, and I went
on an archaeological dig.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
It was one of the best.

Speaker 7 (17:53):
It was probably the best said visit I ever had,
although the craft services wasn't as good. So, you know,
because I'm in historian by training, nobody else wanted to
go on this, I said, oh, go. So it was
all the way down not far from Oak Island actually,
and they were rooting through rubble and you know, mystery
walls and stuff like that, and I found it fascinating.
But at the end of the day they found absolutely nothing.

(18:14):
So you know, people have been looking for this kind
of stuff in Nova Scotia for centuries now and there's
never been anything really found that would indicate that any
of this stuff actually happened. So that's kind of my
take on Oaklan. It's good television, it's bad history.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
Well, let me ask you a question, which back in
the olden days, and by that I mean just a
couple of years ago, there was a program called, I
think Chasing UFOs on National Geographic and they went out
to Roswell and they're camping out overnight on what would
be called the debris field on the old Brazl Ranch
posta ranch area, and they came.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Up with a button.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
They found a button which was an Air Force button
off a Class A uniform. And I'm thinking, hey, the
Air Force didn't exist in nineteen forty seven. B nobody
had been out there in a Class uniform to lose
a button obviously that was planted there by somebody, and
I don't know whether it would have been the production
company or somebody else's sault in the area for a
great joke or whatever it was. They were excited about

(19:11):
this fine, and so they teased the other night that
they had found a gold coin. Is there possible that
somebody in the production company might have planted that out
there just to keep things going or something like that.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
You're asking a television producer whether it's possible that television
producers might guild the lily a little bit in order
to make more money by making television. The answers, yes,
did they do it? I have no idea.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
Would they? I have no idea.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
I do know the producers, I don't know whether they
would or the people you.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
Know, I honestly don't know. Could they?

Speaker 7 (19:47):
Absolutely And we can see there was a show in
the United States, a ghost hunting show years ago. I
think it was called Most Haunted, and they got in
trouble for faking stuff. I think it was on the
Queen Mary whatever. The one is the old crew ship
docked in Long Beach, you know, basically faking things within
their ghost hunting show. So it's clearly gone on in
the past with some of these paranormal shows. You know,

(20:09):
I've been involved in paranormal shows. In fact, we start
shooting a new ghost show in about a month.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
You know.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
I take great pride in the fact that whatever you
see on screen with us actually happened. And I think
I've earned that reputation by being very outspoken about people
who maybe do gild a lily a bit. But you know,
it does go on. And did it happen with the
Oak Island show. I honestly don't know, but it's possible.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Well, and I bring that up simply because of the
button episode on the Chasing UFOs, because clearly that button
was planted out there, and it would have been out
there since literally nineteen forty seven. If what we're talking
about is true. It showed no signs of weathering. I've
got buttons from a Air Force uniform that I had
back when I was in the Air Force, and the

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buttons are tarnished much more than this thing was. It
was very pristine, so immediately knew that it to his faith,
and with all the people who'd been out there with
metal detectors and all the archaeological site surveys going on,
somebody would have found that button long before they came
up with it, But I was just something that's stuck
in my mind, and I thought that. I actually wrote
to one of the fellows that was on the program

(21:16):
about that, And of course I don't believe that he
or the other two people who are out doing the
investigations had a hand in that, but I think he
was a little bit disturbed by that button as well.
So it just something came to my mind.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
There's a lot of people involved in a television production.
I think you're probably coming up on your break soon,
but you know, I could tell you about when they
flew me out to do UFO Hunters in California to
talk about Jim McDonald and just sort of the types
of questions that they were asking in the way they
were doing things, and it just raised the hackles on
the back of my neck, because that's not how I've

(21:51):
tried to you know, I've interviewed you a number of times,
and I interviewed Carl Flo. I've never I take great
pride in never having had anyone ever say their views
were misrepresented. They might not like the documentary at the end,
but they always felt they were treated fairly. That everybody,
you know, Stan, you, Carl, everybody got a fair shake,
even Stephen Greer. I gave him a fair shake by

(22:12):
not putting him in my film, which was the kindest
thing I could have done for him, because he would
have looked foolish, you know. And when I look around
and I see things like UFO Hunters was not great
chasing UFOs, that's the show. James Fox threatened to kill
me on social media. He actually literally threatened to do
me bodily harm because I criticized the show. And you know,
it's like that kind of stuff goes on far too

(22:33):
often in television production. Unfortunately, not the death threats, although
that happens too, But just reality television is not real
that I shouldn't have to say that to me. That
just seems like second nature. But even when you do
your best, when you try to make it as real
as possible, there's it's television. There's always going to be
an element of, oh that interview or sorry, not that interview,

(22:55):
but that segment where I walk in to meet my
co host for the ghost Hunting show, Maybe we could
do that better, do that again. So as long as
you're just doing that stuff, that's fine. It's when you
start faking the actual experiences or what you find that
you run into real problems. And there's more shows that
do that than I think people would care to admit.
And the problem is then it creates, you know, this

(23:17):
entire mindset amongst people where they have trouble distinguishing reality
from unreality. And that's the great irony of reality television.
It's it's contributed greatly to the dumbing down of America
and Canada and whatever other country it exists in. And that's,
you know, that's not what television should be for. And
I sound like something out of a nineteen fifties, you know,

(23:38):
commercial for the good that television can do for the public,
you know, the public, commonwealth or whatever. And but that's
not what's about. It's about making money, and primarily.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
So well, I know, in my own my own personal investigations,
I often audio record the interviews, and I don't know
how many times I've been accused of mis quoting somebody
and I've sent them copies of the tapes and here's
what you said, and here's how you said it. I
have not misquoted you. I have not taken it out
of context or anything like that, and they would write

(24:08):
back and say, well, that's not what I meant, or
that's not what I said. I said, it's you on
tape for crying out loud. I know that's what you said,
and that sort of thing. And I also know that
I was watching one of these documentaries when Walter HoTT
was being interviewed. I don't remember exactly how the sequence was,
but I knew that the answer that he gave was
not to the question they asked. They had asked a

(24:29):
different question to give it a completely different take. So
you know, we had those sorts of problems. I think
when we come back, though, we're going to move on
to maybe the ten best UFO settings, as we kind
of killed oak Island, and that's the thing. And if
you want to read all about Oakland, visit my blog
at www Dot blogspot dot com. And as I say,

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take a look at www. Winter Light Productions dot com
with Paul Kimball and we will return momentary momentarily, so
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Speaker 5 (29:39):
We are back with Paul Kimball my guest today on
a different perspective. You can read more about him or
learn more about him at www dot Winterlightproductions dot com
and www. Paul Andrew Kimball dot com. I think I
got those out correctly. I think we pretty well done
away with Oak Island, although I did want to make

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one other comment that came out in the program that
I found interesting. There was a guy named Ball who
owned a great deal of Oak Island back in the
nineteenth century, the late maybe the seventeenth century, seventeenth, eighteenth century,
nineteenth century, nineteenth century. And the thing that struck me
about it was he supposedly was one of the original
three guys who had found the treasure, and he dropped

(30:23):
out of the thing and it became a different three guys,
and it was just kind of interesting to me that
the history had changed to a different three guys finding
the treasure, although Ball had owned part of Oak Island
in the mid nineteenth century. Having said that I'm going
to move on anyway, when we went away, I threatened
to talk to Paul about the ten best Ufo Sidings

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and he'd done a documentary. Paul, you did a documentary
on the ten best Ufo Siddings, and I know you've
kind of reversed yourself on a couple of those. I mean,
I think better information has come along. So what did
you look at as the ten best sidings and where
are we today?

Speaker 7 (31:02):
Well, it was I'm not so sure it was me
reversing myself only in the sense that I created the
list by polling folks like you.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
I think I actually got your.

Speaker 7 (31:12):
Top ten list and Dick Halls and Stan Freeman's or whatever,
and I put them all together, and out of that
I created the top ten list is sort of voted
on by UFO researchers. With the exception of number ten.
I added the fifteen sixty one Nuremberg and I put
in quotation marks case just to show that this had
gone on before nineteen forty seven, that this wasn't, excuse me,

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something unique to the twentieth century. But of all of
those cases, you know that was two thousand and seven.
Looking back on it now ten years later, you know,
there's about two or three of them that I still
think are very interesting. The rest of them I find
either uninteresting. I might have found a couple of them
money interesting at the time, but I just sort of

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you know, it wasn't just me or you know, I
think there's been satisfactory acts nations or at least doubt cast.
The Malmstrom missile base case, for instance, has become very
controversial over the last ten years, and you know, it's
just like a swamp. You don't want to wait into
it because the vitriol between the people involved in both
criticizing and supporting the case is so rancorous that you know,

(32:19):
you just want to step back and say, I don't
even want to know what the truth is.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
It's just that that's a swamp. I don't want to
get involved in.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Let me break in. Just say. The Malstrom case was
in nineteen sixty seven where they thought that an outside
force had shut down the missile ten of the missiles
in one of the missile flights, and then a week
later it shut down another ten and the Air Force
was completely and totally baffled by this because if some
outside force could disable the missiles from outside, then we

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were vulnerable to surprise attack. And I understand about the
problems with that and how there is great arguments between
the people who were involved in the first one, which
was documented but not necessarily UFO related, and the second one,
which was not really documented, but is UFO related? And
I understand how people were really at each other's throats

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on those both sides of those saying, well, this did happen,
this didn't happen, and it's become a real bone of contention.
It was an interesting case, and it was an interesting
case for one thing, and that's because the UFO officer
at Malstrom at the time was a guy named Lewis Chase,

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I think it was, and he was the pilot for
the RB forty seven case, which was another of the
really great, at one time, really great UFO sidings. Had
you made that connection or were you aware of that?

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (33:45):
Actually I interviewed a guy named Bruce Bailey who flew
OURB forty seven. One of the most fun things about
what I used to do. I make feature films now,
but it's a documentary maker.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
What I used to do was.

Speaker 7 (33:56):
Meeting cool people who'd had cool experiences. So there's this guy,
Bruce Bailey. He's a crusty old former RB forty seven
crew member, highly decorated Air Force crewman officer, retired I
think as a lieutenant colonel like you, And he was
one of the ravens that would work in the belly
of the RB forty seven, manning the electronic warfare and

(34:18):
counterintelligence gear and all that sort of stuff, so highly
you know, highly qualified, competent, high security clearance, all that
sort of stuff.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
So I went down.

Speaker 7 (34:25):
Brad Sparks had connected with him somehow and said, Paul,
you should go interview this guy. None of the original
members from the nineteen fifty seven case are still alive,
but Bailey knew them, and you should talk to him
because he's sort of written the book literally about the
history of the RB forty seven.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
So I went down.

Speaker 7 (34:41):
Very nice guy, still live, still connected to him on Facebook,
and he's still writing about the RB forty seven, some
really great stories. And so I interviewed him about the
nineteen fifty seven, the classic RB forty seven case, and
I talked to him about some of the crew members
he knew, and he said, yes, all to the earth,
these were the best of the best. A couple of
them had even trained me. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
Great.

Speaker 7 (35:01):
Thought the interview was over. I was going to ask
him for a good steak restaurant in Texas where he lives,
and then he you know, the camera was still rolling.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
He said, yeah, and I.

Speaker 7 (35:08):
Had my own UFO experience a few years later, and
I went, what now, and so he said yeah. And
I said, well, can I interview you about that? And
he said sure. Didn't even think twice about it. So
he told me this story. They were flying common Cause
missions over Cuba in and around the Cuban missile crisis,
and they had basically had more or less the similar

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thing happened to them as had been reported in the
nineteen fifty seven case. And so my one of my
favorite moments of any UFO documentary is when I interviewed
him and I sort of there's silence for a couple
of seconds. I said, so, what do you think it was?
And he just looked at me and said it was
a damn UFO. What do you think it was? And

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you know, I don't know And he said, I still
you know, he said, I still don't know.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
All these years later.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
It was just we got back to the base, we
were immediately ordered not to talk about it. We were
old basically that if you did talk about it, even
to your wife or your friends, it was the quickest
way to find yourself posted to Northern Alaska kind of thing,
you know, And he said, so we just didn't.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
Talk about it.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
And I said, well, you know, I kind of find
that hard to believe that you wouldn't talk about it.
And he said, you've never been under a security clearance?

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Have your son?

Speaker 7 (36:18):
And I went, well, not the kind you were under.
You know, I worked briefly for the RCMP. It was
a pretty minimal security clearance. He said, yeah, not the
same thing. They tell you not to talk, you don't talk.
And I went, yes, sir, I understand better, and he said,
are you sure you're understanding me? Way, Yeah, yeah, I
get it. I thought he was going to swear me
to secrecy right there. But you know, that's one of
those things where you talk to somebody about one particular

(36:41):
case and then all of a sudden, you know, you
realize that there's more to this story because they.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
Have their own story.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
And I've experienced the same thing talking to folks about
the Shag Harbor.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
Case, for instance.

Speaker 7 (36:52):
I know you had Don Ledger on your show last week,
and I know Don's experienced that too. I've been out
to lunch with Don and we've been sitting in a
restauran on here in Halifax, and you would think people
would come up to me. I mean, I don't have
an ego, but I'm the filmmaker. Usually it's an actor
somebody coming up and saying, hey, can I be in
your film?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Or whatever?

Speaker 6 (37:09):
I saw you on TV? Ghosty Paul. Nope. They came
up to Don.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
They knew Don, and they said, listen, you're the guy
who wrote the UFO book about Shag Harper, right, And
Don went yep. And I thought, right, I'm the least
important person sitting at the stable right now.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
Great. And they had a story.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
They said, look, I have my own UFO story. Can
I tell you about it? And before Don could say yes,
the guy had pulled up a chair and sat down
at our table, and I went, well, okay, cool, let's
just roll with this. And you know, I would talk
about fifteen minutes and he told this story. It was
a pretty good story. And Don said, look, here's my number.
I'm having lunch right now, but give me a call
and I'd be happy to look into this for you.
So you know, I've experienced that myself. I've been at

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family functions. My favorite. One of my favorite UFO cases,
which is not in the top ten, is one that
me and maybe ten other people know about happened in
Prince Edward Island in the nineteen sixties. I was at
an in law's house and you know, just sitting around
in Prince Edward Island, shooting the breeze as it were.
And suddenly this sort of forty something year old cousin

(38:09):
of my fiance said, by the way, you make films
about UFOs, right, I do, well, I have a story
to tell you. And his mother was sitting right there
and he turned to his mother and said, you remember this, right,
and she just shook her head. She immediately knew what
he was going to talk about, and it was this story.
They saw an egg shaped silver cylindrical object in the
nineteen sixties the year escapes me right now. And they

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were just sitting on their back porch of their farm,
and their father was a civil servant. I mean, these
people were educated people. And they said, we were there
and this thing came down, floated above the ground and
then took off again. I went, you're kidding, right, I
thought they were pulling my leg. Hey, new guy in
the family, ha ha ha, No, deadly serious. And the mother,

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she's passed away now. She thought it was a forerunner,
which is a term here in the Maritime provinces for
you know, sort of a supernatural paranorm thing that warns
you of impending doom or some bad happening is going
to happen, somebody in the family's going to die, whatever.
And the day after, somebody they knew was killed in
a car accident not far from there. So she filtered

(39:13):
it through this prism of the supernatural, that this was
a warning from the great beyond that something bad was
going to happen. Her son filtered it through the prism
of you make UFO films. I want to talk to
you about space aliens. And so that was an interesting
conversation too that two people who had seen seen the
exact same thing looked at it in different ways and

(39:33):
took different things because they were from different generations out
of it. So every time, you know, I still run
across people like that. I was speaking at the shag
Harbor UFO conference in October, and you know, I had
more than one person in the Q and a afterwards,
and I prefer this. Actually they wanted to you know,
I expect to be asked questions. Instead they wanted to

(39:55):
tell me stories. And I said, great, happy to shut up,
let you do all the work. And frankly, your stories
are probably more interesting than any answers I.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
Could give you any question.

Speaker 7 (40:04):
So you know, I just basically sat there and listen,
and one guy said, I saw the Shag Harvard thing,
and here's what I saw.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
Great.

Speaker 7 (40:10):
I don't think anyone's heard that story. You should connect
with this, Chris Styles, he's right over there. And you know,
somebody else said, well, I had a similar story a
few years later, and that kind of thing. So that's,
you know, I'm sure that's what's probably driven you over
all these years. It's why, despite all the disappointments, all
the cases that have been proved, all my own skepticism,
and you know, I'm not an ETAH supporter, I still

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look at the UFO phenomenon and I find it interesting
because when I hear stories like this from credible people,
people I know, telling me these experiences that they've had
and including some of my own experiences in the ghost
hunting world over the years. Once I get into that,
you sort of realize there's more to heaven and Earth
than in.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
All your philosophy kind of thing.

Speaker 7 (40:52):
So you keep an open mind, even as you might say, well,
maybe the Moltstrom missile base case is not as good
a case as people thought it was, or maybe the
McMinnville case was a hoax. But hey, by the way,
the Tehran case from nineteen seventy six and Iran with
the Uranian jet fighters, that still seems to be like
a pretty good case. I still haven't heard a valid
explanation for that one that satisfies me. So, you know,

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that's the kind of stuff that keeps you going, even
as maybe you push cases that you might have thought
were better aside as new evidence comes up.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
Well, it's interesting because I was about to ask you
what do you think of some of the what do
you think of the top ten cases that you looked
at are still valid? And you kind of put that
into your answer there about that the Tehran case we've
talked about in the past, and when I say, we
hear on the program and there was stuff on the
blog about it as well to give more information about it.

(41:43):
That's always quite good. But what I find interesting is
the idea that this siding leads to another siding to
another siding. And you are not a fan of the
extra trustrial, do you have a a working theory. What
do you think is going on? And we have just

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a couple of seconds here before we have to take
a break, so make it quick.

Speaker 6 (42:08):
Sure, I don't rule out the extraterrestrial.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
I just think from what I've seen, I haven't seen
any evidence that shows me that that's the case, but
I keep an open mind. But I do think there's
a possibility. And we can maybe talk about this after
the break, because it goes beyond just looking at UFOs.
It goes on into my studies of religion over the
year years as a graduate student, and all sorts of
stuff that we may be It's the Jacques Vallet school.

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We may be interacting with a non human intelligence, call
it God, call it space, aliens, whatever, that presents itself
to us in different guises over different periods of time
throughout human history, but it's basically the same entity. I
don't put that forward to something I know is true,
but I do put it forward to something that seems
to make sense to me as a non prosaic explanation

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for things that I can't find a non can't find
a prosaic explanation for.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Okay, well, come back here in just a few minutes
with Paul Kimball at You can look at him at
Wwwwinterlightproductions dot com, and take a look at my blog
at www dot Kevin Randall dot blogspot dot com. And
when we come back we'll explore this a little bit
further with Paul Kimball, So stick around.

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Speaker 5 (48:13):
As promised, we are back with Paul Kimball talking about
I guess uh UFOs and the paranormal. Paranormal was a
word I was casting about for which for some reason
didn't come to my mind right away. Before we went
to the break, we were talking a little bit about
what his theories were. Your theories are about is what
is happening here? But I wanted to go back to

(48:35):
one other thing which we really hadn't touched on because
we had this or you made this this documentary about
the best UFO cases. What are some of those that
you still considered to be really really good? And we
talked a little bit about tront and I did mention
that people can read about that on the blog. But
what are some of those that you saw at that
time that you think are still good? Are still mysterious?

Speaker 7 (48:56):
Shake Harper, I'm a big fan of the show Shag
Harbor case. Still don't know if it's extraterrestrial or not,
but I've talked to enough people and maybe it's like
Ewan Roswell, when you get to know the people involved
and you sort of live in that area. In my case,
maybe it becomes a little more resonant with you. But
in the case of Shag Harbor, people often you know,

(49:18):
there's a whole bunch of moving parts. And I know,
I think with Don you talked about the two parts.
There's clearly something that happened. There's no question that something happened,
that people saw this object in the sky, it went
into the harbor. Nobody disputes that. There's police reports on that,
all sorts of stuff like that. That's the first part
of the case, which is generally non controversial, even if
you don't know what it is. Then there's the second

(49:40):
part of the case, which Don talks about, which is
all this stuff about a cover up and an underwater
search operation and all that. That's much more controversial. I
don't go that far because I've never actually seen any
proof of that. I prefer to stick with what I
can prove, what I know happen. But for me, the
interesting thing is there's a third part to the case,
which isn't talked about a whole lot, and that is

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Shag Harper's about two and a half hours from Halifax.
If you were to drive there, I don't know how
many miles, that is probably one hundred and fifty miles maybe,
and so it's you know, it's not something you can
get to from Halifax like that, just boom, there you are.
That same night in Halifax, Chris Styles talks about this.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
He had a sighting.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
He encountered some strange, mysterious object when he was a
young child. So did and I've written about this. My
business partner, my producing partner, Ron fully McDonald, who's ten
years older than me, of seven years sorry, Ron, seven
years older than me. You know, Ron had a similar experience.
Chris saw something. Ron for him, it was a kid.
He and these kids in his neighborhood called Fairview here

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in Halifax heard something this really loud noise that they'd
never heard before that he says, he was so scared
he climbed under the car. And all these years later,
fifty years later, he said, he still remembers it like
it was yesterday. So, you know, there and there were
reports of these things that had been seen over Halifax.
So there's really a third element to it as well,
which is that this was a series of moving events

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that began in the Halifax area, which is the capital
of Nova Scotia, and then moved down along the Ocean
shore what we call the South Shore to eventually this
community at the sort of end of the province of
Nova Scotia, which is a peninsula called Shag Harbor, and
the surrounding communities as well, and that to me, you know,
it provides a lot of moving parts. There's good witnesses.

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I've talked to the witnesses like Lori Wickens, people who
are still alive who were adults at Lori was the
witness who first called the RCMP that night he and
a car full of friends had seen this object. So
you know, you start to get this picture of something
truly mysterious and weird that these folks all saw or
heard in different places at different times that night, and
then that, you know, pieces together to be something that

(51:47):
I think is still unexplained, and the Canadian government still
considers it unexplained.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
Fifty years later.

Speaker 7 (51:52):
They still when they refer to it at all, still
refer to it as they did back then in official
documents as a UFO. I still think that's a great case.
I still find the Kelly Johnson sighting in Santa Barbara
in nineteen fifty to be interesting and not completely not
I shouldn't say not completely disproven, not disproven, it's still

(52:14):
to me a case that is of interest, particularly given
that Johnson had more than one sighting, and he's the
kind of guy who should have known what was in
the skies because he was designing the most advanced planes
that anybody was flying at that time.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
So I think.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
We should point out that Kelly Johnson worked at the
Skunk Works, which was right place where they're developing the
next generations of military aircraft, and the SR seventy one,
which to me looks very alien when you think this
is nineteen fifties technology. So that this is a guy
if you wanted to point to somebody says, do you
know what's going on in the sky around you? He
would be the guy you'd point to.

Speaker 7 (52:51):
Yes, absolutely, you know that he would be the epitome
of a credible witness. Still doesn't mean that he saw
space aliens or even anything that was in prosaic.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
We don't know. But it wasn't just him.

Speaker 7 (53:02):
It was also one of his top test crews. Somebody
criticized me in the documentary. A critic said, you refer
to it in the documentary as they triangulated when there
were only two of them, and I went, fine, they
do angulate it, whatever the term of that is. But
you know, Kelly Johnson was looking at this object through
binoculars from his home in Agra, California, which is near

(53:24):
the ocean, at the same time as his top flight
engineers and test pilots, unbeknownst to him, were shaking a
plane down going along the coast, and they cited it
as well. And it was only the next day when
they both showed up at work, or the groups of
them showed up at work and they were all talking
about it, that they realized they had seen the same thing,
and so they filed reports with Project Blue Book and
all that sort of stuff. Still unexplained as far as

(53:46):
I'm concerned. Still a very interesting case. So there's three,
you know, trying to think of the rest of them.
RB forty seven credit where credit is due. I challenged
Tim Printy, who does the what does he call it?

Speaker 6 (54:00):
Sunlight?

Speaker 5 (54:00):
Sunlight, which is kind of a tribute to Phil Class's
UFO newsletter.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Then he had out.

Speaker 7 (54:08):
And so Tim does this UFO zine on the internet
once every two months, I think, And so I challenged him.
He was bashing Roswell on a regular basis. I think
he even had a Kevin Randall call him or something
where he was, you know, talk about what you were
talking about. And I said, look, bashing Roswell's easy tim
I get this film with these ten great cases in them,
why don't you have a go at one of those?

(54:28):
In fact, why don't you have a go at the
best one, the RB forty seven case from nineteen fifty seven.
And we had a bit of a back and forth,
and he said, look, if I take that one down,
you'll just find another one. I said, no, if you offer,
you know, a real investigation for this, you know that's
that's a good thing.

Speaker 6 (54:44):
And so he did.

Speaker 7 (54:45):
He devoted an entire I think it's forty five to
fifty pages issue of his zine to this one thing.
And that's all that an advocate for the UFO phenomenon
could ask for, is that the skeptics take a deep,
hard look at it and they give it their explanation.
And I took a look at it. Look, I'm the
first person to admit I'm not an expert when it

(55:06):
comes to you know, things like flight patterns and all that.

Speaker 6 (55:10):
Sort of stuff.

Speaker 7 (55:11):
You know, I don't fly planes, print He took a
pretty good look at it, and I think he came
up and don't ask me what it was, because I
can't remember now off the top of my head, but
he came up with an explanation that people should at
least read and read with an open mind, the same
way that skeptics should look at UFO cases with an
open mind, and then say, okay, well does this get
us to where we need to be to sort of
maybe put the RB forty seven case aside and say, yep,

(55:33):
that one's been explained, or at the very least, maybe
it's not as interesting now you know, there's a credible
counter argument out there for it. So kudos to Tim
Printy for stepping up to do that when many skeptics don't.
So you know that that's one that still interests me,
but maybe not as much as it used to the
rest of them. You know, Rendel Shim I've never been

(55:53):
a big fan of Rendalsham again, one of those convoluted
cases that is, you know, hard to sort of really
wrap your mind around. And the stuff that's gone on
with Larry Warren is very problematic, and you know, people
seem you know that what is it the Burrows and
Peniston came up with their weird alien writing years after
the fact or zero the binary code. So anytime that

(56:15):
you see a case where the story seems to get
better as the years go along, I get a little
leery of that, which is why I like Shag Harbor
because the core Shag story is still pretty much what
it was fifty years ago. It hasn't changed a whole lot.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Well, let me let me break in. That's a good
It allows me to This allows me to promote next
week's program, which will be Colonel Charles Holt, which is
the first time I've had a guest back, and we're
going to talk specifically about Larry Warren and Left at
East Yate, which was his book with Peter Robbins, and
we'll see if we can't hash through some of that
some of that material.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
So you allow me.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
To promote the next week's program in that in that sense.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
But I'm all about the segues.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
Yes, and thank you very much for that. There are
I know John Burrows, I know Jim Pettiston, I know
Burrows better than I know Pedeston. But there were things
that are problematic about that case, and we'll hash that
out next week with halt. We just have a very
short time here left. Is there anything that you'd like

(57:17):
to mention before we go away?

Speaker 6 (57:20):
Sure?

Speaker 7 (57:21):
You know, I actually find ghost investigating to be not
just because I get paid to do it, to host
a television show now, but having looked both at the
ghost thing, and both at the and the UFO thing,
I actually find the ghost thing much more interesting because
for the most part, it's more personal.

Speaker 6 (57:42):
And that sort of is what got me.

Speaker 7 (57:44):
When I did the first ghost show seven or eight
what was it eight years ago, I guess now, and
had some of my own experiences. I became a a
lot more understanding of the experiences that people in the
UFO world would be telling me about and more sympathetic,
even if I didn't necessarily believe I was more sympathetic
to their experience or believe it was alien rather but
b I started to see that maybe there was some

(58:06):
sort of commonality between all of these stories of strange things.
And it's Greg Bishop, who you should have on your show.
Is a guy who's been talking about stuff like that
for years, and mac Tony's used to talk about that too.
I'd ask you to have him on a show, but
sadly passed away in two thousand and nine. You know,
those were the guys that I was attracted to, the

(58:27):
thinkers that I was attracted to, who would say, look,
it doesn't have to be space aliens. Maybe and maybe
there's something here in the UFO stories that is similar
to ghost stories, that is similar perhaps to other stories
of the paranormal experience, including you know, religion. You guys
swear you're president in on a Bible. You know, you're

(58:48):
a very religious country. There are still a lot of
religious people on the planet. I don't see why the
paranormal is that much different from people who believe that
a guy could walk on water, raise the dead, and
was the son of God born of a virgin birth.
I mean, that's about as paranormal as you're going to get.
So to me, I kind of now look at it
as all part of one kind of picture together, and

(59:10):
that's taken me away from the extraterrestrial and closer towards
looking at it as a as a sort of cohesive
supernatural or paranormal story. And to me that that's actually
a bit more interesting. I don't know if it's true,
but it's more interesting.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
Paul we've run out of time. Thank you, Yeah, I
can't can't thank you enough for joining us here on
a different perspective, and I think we'll have you back
at some point in the future. If you want more,
take a look at www Dot winter Light Productions dot
com and www. Paul Andrew Kimball dot com. Paul, thank
you very much. For those of you who'd like more

(59:43):
information about some of the things we've talked about, take
a look at www dot Kevin Randall dot blogspot dot
com and listen for the other great shows on the
x Zone Broadcast Network that's XZBN dot net. We will
be back next week with Charles Halt talking about where
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