November 19, 2025 • 49 mins
Throughout human history, there have been various interpretations and beliefs surrounding God's chariots. Some individuals propose that these chariots mentioned in ancient texts, such as the Bible, could be seen as unidentified flying objects (UFOs) in contemporary terms. They argue that the descriptions of these divine chariots, often accompanied by otherworldly phenomena, could be metaphors or allegories for advanced technological crafts that surpass our current understanding. It's important to note that the interpretation of religious texts is deeply personal and can vary among different individuals and religious traditions.
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for four decades, serving previously as the Louisiana State director
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of moufon That's the Mutual UFO Network. He is currently
a professor of somatic theology and ethics at Pacific Lutheran Theology,
Theological Seminary, I'm Sorry, and the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, California.
He co edits the journal Theology and Science at the
Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences. He has authored
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and edited more than two dozen books on theology and
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Ted's Timely Take at www dot Ted's Timely Take dot com.
We're going to be talking to Ted Thesaur about his
new book entitled UFOs God's Chariots. Join me now from
(02:44):
the beautiful state of California is my guest this hour,
Ted Peterson, Ted, Welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Well, Rob, thank you very much for having me on
the X Zone. And yes, I come from California. I
wish I could say I was in orbit around eight
Toto too reticulate, but I guess it's California. But sometimes
in California we feel like we're in morbit.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Tell me what was your inspiration for writing your book,
UFOs God's Chariots well.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
As you mentioned in the introduction, my work has to
do with the interaction or dialogue between faith and science,
and I have been fascinating with a fascinated with the
subject of UFO since I was a kid, and I've
sort of grown into it. And there is a real
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scientific dimension, actually a kind of cast or ambience about
the UFO phenomenon, but hidden right beneath it are religious
and spiritual dimensions, and I'd like to ferret those out.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Tell me, have you yourself had a UFO experience and encounters?
Speaker 5 (03:54):
I have not, but I would love to have one,
and I've interviewed a number of people who have had experiences,
and sometimes I get a little jealous.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Is there a conflict between ufology and theology or do
they exist hand in hand?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I do not think there is a conflict. Yes, there
are some right wing Christian fundamentalist types, actually creationist types
who think that flying saucers or UFOs are demonic, but
a close look will show that what they really fear
(04:36):
is the theory of evolution, the idea that extraterrestrials evolved
on another planet. And so it becomes the same old
battle against Darwin. By and large, I think that religious
believers in general, Christians in particular, do not have any
difficulty with the idea of extraterrestrial life, nor with the
(04:59):
idea that we might be visited by ETI and flying saucers.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Tell tell me, Ted, in your opinion, why do you
think that there might be a government conspiracy or cover
up to suppress the information that extraterrestrials UFOs may be
real and may be visiting this planet.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Well? Why do I believe that?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Because there's ample evidence that the government has hidden information,
and that seemed to have begun already as early as
nineteen forty seven. The question would be whether there is
a systematic government conspiracy to hide really dramatic information. I
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tend not to believe that, but that information that is
important has been withheld from us. Well, we can pretty
well document that that's the case.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Thanks, oll Nation. My guess this hour is Ted Peters.
We're talking to Ted about his neebook entitled UFO is
God's Chariots, Spirituality, Ancient Aliens and Religious Yearnings in the
Age of Extraterrestrials. His website is www dot Ted's Timely
Take dot com. We we've got about what we're gonna
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do is We're just gonna hold it off here. I've
got to take a two minute commercial break.
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Ted.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
When we come back, we're gonna be discussing UFOs and
the the connection in theology. And I'm going to ask
you the question, are UFOs that God's Are? They are
the UFOs God's Chariots?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
I guess question?
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All right? Stand by Ted, You and I will be
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Timely Take dot Com. My name is Rob McConnell and Ted,
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Explanation. Ted Peters is our guest. He's the author of
UFOs God's Chariots. His website is www. Dot Ted's Timely
Take dot com. So tell me, Ted, are UFOs God's Chariots?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
The answer is both no, and yes. The no answer
has to do with the ancient astronaut theory. Many think
that our ancestors back in Biblical times were kind of
stupid and unable to distinguish between spiritual things and visiting
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technologically advanced flying saucers and UFOs. So we could translate
ancient scriptures both Christian as well as written texts from
other civilizations, translate those so that they don't read gods,
but they in fact read euphonauts visiting us in flying saucers.
(11:25):
I tend not to support the ancient astronaut theory, so
in that regard, no, UFOs are not God's chariots. On
the other hand, I would like to say yes because
the message that we get all too frequently, and I
shouldn't say too frequently, I should say, I'm quite grateful
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for the message that we get, namely that euphonauts come
from a civilization that has advanced, not just scientifically but culturally.
They've learned how to have peace on their planet, to
get past the stage of development where they're threatened by
nuclear war, that in coming to Earth, they can teach
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us how to have a peaceful society here on this planet,
and I think that if that message comes to us
from those who are piloting flying saucers, I want to say,
that's a good message, and they could be agents of
God's word if that's the message that they are delivering.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
All right. Do you think that the God that so
many people on this planet believe in is the same
God that the extraterrestrials believe in?
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Well, I wouldn't know how an extraterrestrial believes until I
ask them, But I do think that there is but
one God for the entire cosmos, and if we do
wake up some morning and we've got neighbors orbitings to reticulate,
they will be children of the same Father that you
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and I are.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Is it possible that the angels that were talked about
in the Bible could actually be etes?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Actually, I don't want to categorically reject the ancient astronaut
theorists because the angels are not thoroughly described, and it
is possible that there can be bearers of God's word
in many different forms. And yes, I would say that's
(13:38):
a possibility. I'm not going to vote for it, but
it's a possibility.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
You yourself have never had a UFO experience, and yet
you're you're in the UFO field. You were with Moufon,
You've talked to many people who claim to have had experiences.
Why did you decide to carry this torch?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I've got outer space in my her soul somehow or other.
I got inflicted with that when I was about twelve
years old, and so I study UFOs and have been
since I was a teenager, all the way down to
the present period of time. But in addition to that,
I'm quite interested with regard to what our scientists are
(14:20):
doing at NASA and SETI. NASA scientists are looking for
microbial life within our solar system, and as you know,
SETI scientists are looking for intelligent life and an extrasolar planet.
I'm just as fascinated with them as I am with
the UFO phoenomena.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You know, I've had the pleasure of having Seth Shawstak
on the show a number of years.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
I've had the pleasure, delightful guy.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, and I've known you know, Seth for over twenty
two years. But you know, like I've said this to Seth.
I said, what happens if you guys are listening to
a frequency or for a frequency that you just can't
pick up what happens if the communication that you're expecting
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has already come and past, and because of the equipment
that we have based on our modern technology, you're unable
to pick up the message.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Well, I suspect that SETH said that's just a limitation
of the technology, as well as other limitations such as
the amount of space that SETI has been able to
cover over the last five decades of their searching.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Well, if you were to take the total amount of
space that SETI has covered, if you take an eight
if you were to take all the water in the world,
it would only be an eight ounce glass of water
that they've actually investigated.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
There's a lot of universe left out there.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yep, there certainly is. There, certainly is. I'm not a skeptic.
I'm not a believer. I'm in the middle because my
background is criminal investigation, and up until now doing this
show for twenty two years, I have seen no proof.
(16:10):
I have not spoken to anybody that I unequivocally believe.
I think that Major Jesse Marcel when it comes to
Roswell should have been you know, this guy here bungled
an investigation. If there was any any credible evidence. I
believe that so many people want to believe that they
(16:33):
are clinging to anything. And I think and I believe
that the Internet has spawned so much disinformation that I
consider the Internet to be the biggest septic tank that
men has ever created.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Well, I think Seth Shostak from SETI would tend to
agree with you that from his point of view, there
is insufficient evidence gathered in the UFO phenomenon to prove
persuasively or demonstrate persuasively that we are being visited yet,
and I'm sure you've confronted this before. Rob stan Friedman
(17:12):
would say there's more evidence to prove that we're being
visited by ETI than would be necessary to convict a
criminal in.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
A court case.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
And I bet you would disagree with Friedman on that.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I disagree with Friedman on everything.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I think that Stanton Friedman is a cult leader. I
think that he you know, he's revered as a guru,
and he's basically not a guru. He's a scientist. You know,
he hasn't done anything spectacular when it comes to the
UFO and enigma except bringing what might have happened in
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Roswell New Mexico in nineteen forty seven to the public.
That's it why people revere him, you know, that's you know,
that's up to them, But I certainly don't.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, Stan is what I would refer to as a
nuts and bolt kind of investigator. That is to say,
his model is a spacecraft that brings euphonauts here, just
like our spacecraft took astronauts to the Moon. There are
many other dimensions to the UFO phenomenon which he stays
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away from. Abductions, paranormal experiences, kind of providential guides, a
lot of New Age spirituality, etc. And stand stays away
from that. I tend to like the nuts and bolts ufologists,
but the phenomenon is a whole lot bigger than just
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thinking of the spacecraft.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
You know, And here we go, Roswell, New Mexico. There
has been no evidence to support the claim, any new evidence.
With all the investigators that go down there, all the
wannabes that go down there, still after all these years,
nothing new, nothing new.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
That's one way to describe the UFO phenomenon is that
fundamentally it has not changed from the early nineteen fifties
to the present time. I think in part it's due
to the media. As you suggested earlier, you're neither a
believer nor a skeptic, But the media really wants every
(19:35):
time there's a UFO report to find a believer what
does he or she say? And find a skeptic or
a debunker what do they say? And then they're done.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Well, that's because it's the media's job to present both
sides of the story and let the person watching the report,
reading the report, or listening to the report make up
their own mind.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Well, that's true, but one of the problems is that
there's only one question that the media has asked for
sixty years, and there could be other dimensions to the phenomenon.
And that's what I try to point out in this
book is that there has been cultural influence cultural impacts
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by the UFO phenomenon, which is affected to some degree
the way we think politically. It capitalizes on our stereotypes
of what scientists do and then vary indirectly. It has
some impact on religious sensibilities, and I think these things
are interesting. I'm talking here as a scholar who studies
(20:43):
the matter, and I get interested in lots of things,
but these other dimensions, which are complex and nuanced. They
don't you get reported in media stories. But still I
think I find them interesting. And if you're neither a
skeptic or believer, I'll bet you find these other things
(21:05):
interesting as well.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Sure I find them interesting. I find them part of
the UFO genre, but it's no different than any other
aspect of the power normal ghosts, bigfoot, locknest, monster, lake monsters.
You know, you've got all these stories out there that
have been around for so long. But because of the
(21:27):
Internet bang, everybody wants to you know, everybody's joining these
little clubs, these little groups, and they don't know what
the hell they're doing. Nine times out of ten they
call themselves investigators and researchers, and they don't have a
clue what a real investigation entails, what research entails. But
they've got these little buzzwords, they've got these little magnetometers,
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they've got these little night vision cameras, they've got these
little tape recorders. That doesn't make them investigators. The biggest
problem within the UFO community as I see it, is
there's a lack of communication between each and every UFO believer.
Every UFO researcher, every UFO investigator, and every UFO club,
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including Moufon.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Well, I was going to say, do your criticisms apply
to move On?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Sure they don't.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
It's made an attempt to I wouldn't say professionalize, but
certainly to upgrade their investigations. But your criticisms still apply
to Moufon investigators, you think, Well.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Sure you know when flight When Flight three seventy disappeared,
the MOFON director for the State of Pennsylvania put out
a press release that what happened to Flight three seventy
was the aircraft and crew were abducted by an extraterrestrial UFO.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Well, there's probably no way to disprove it at this
particular jug sture.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
No, but come on, let's be real. You know, stand by,
We've got to take a commercial break with the news.
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Ext O Nation. Ted Peters is our guest this hour.
He's the author of UFOs God's Chariots. His website is
www dot Ted's Timely Take dot com. You know, Ted,
like you and I were talking during the news break,
I want to believe, I really do, because something inside
each and every one of us would love to know
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that what may be out there is out there. But
after twenty two years doing this show, over three eight
hundred interviews, doing the show from everywhere from Las Vegas
to Florida, from Florida throughout the Caribbean, Mexico, across Canada.
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Nothing no evidence, no, no, no, no undeniable photograph. Why,
in your opinions as a theological expert here, why is
it that people want to believe in UFOs? What is
(26:45):
it that in the human psyche that intrigues people to
the point that they, in many cases devote their devote,
every every spare moment to it.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
What is in the human psyche? And now I think
you're getting to a really good question. We've left the
objective question behind. Now we're going to take a look
at the subjective one. And I do propose some answers
here in the book.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
I think a.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Outer space is naturally inspiring. B. We want salvation and
wouldn't it be wonderful if a more highly evolved society
could bring salvation to our planet. And C we want
to be important and nothing could be more important than
having an event like this. So I refer to this
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as a myth. It's a myth in the sense that
it's like a pair of glasses that we put on
and we interpret anomalous stimuli anomalous experiences in terms of
this myth, and it gives it meaning. And one of
the cases I want to make with which would bother
(28:01):
Seth Shostak is that SETI and the UFO community hold
the same myth. They have the same fundamental mythological beliefs,
some of which are scientific, but some of them are
not scientific. Yet this myth makes it all meaningful, all
worthwhile to get our hopes and expectations up that finally,
(28:25):
someday from the sky will drop down all the goodies
that a future science of technology could give us.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Well, if not, why not?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I would say it's not likely to happen because it's
based upon imagination rather than upon good science or good evidence.
You know, the ETI myth is coming when you hear
a phrase such as, maybe those intelligent creatures on another
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planet have evolved longer than we have. As soon as
you hear that phrase, they evolved longer than we have
a you're leaving science b The myth is now beginning
to take structure because what happens, and hear this amongst
UFO people and SETI people and sometimes an Ascid people
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as well, is the idea that evolution is progressive, that
somehow or other, evolution goes from the simple to the complex,
from the stupid to the intelligent, from the religious to
the scientific, and you can just see the ideology building.
And so if an extraterrestrial civilization it has advanced certain
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hundreds of years, thousands of years, or millions of years.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Just think of all the progress.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
They would have gotten through not just nuclear war, but
also the assesspool of the Internet, which you a few
minutes ago. And all of a sudden, these extraterrestrials are
looking like angels, are looking like gods. It's just that
they're scientific and technological angels or gods. They're are not
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spiritual ones. And then we begin to place hopes on them. Again,
I want to say it's a myth. It's actually based
on an ancient myth called the Gnostic Redeemer myth. And
according to that myth, salvation comes through knowledge. And what
UFO expectance. People who are expecting the UFOs to arrive,
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the people from outer space are going to give us
knowledge on how to prevent war, or knowledge on how
to prevent planetary degradation. They're going to deliver what the
Bible used to call an apocalypse or the Kingdom of
God or something and holds exactly the same myth. It's
(31:02):
just that you know, it's fancied up with a little
bit more scientific language, but the same myth is at
work there. And if you mentioned the SETI that our
best evolutionary biologist of Francisco Wayala or Stephen J. Gould
will say, I'm sorry, evolution is not progressive and you
cannot expect evolution and another planet to produce a more
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highly event advanced society. I'm sorry, that's not scientific. Well
we cant well, with all those planets out there, at
least some planet must have this more.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Highly advanced society.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
And I just want to say, you're leaving science now,
you're getting into the realm of hope and expectation. And
I think that's why you don't see the empirical evidence,
and that's why you ask the question what's going on
with the human psyche? And it's the same psyche in
the UFO phenomenon, in the phenomenon and amongst the apocalyptic
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religions of a couple of thousand years ago.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
But is that the same psyche of Christians Jews?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Oh yes, yes, Christians and especially Messianic Jews would would
think that way. And I don't want to reduce all
of these things to only a psychic phenomenon. But yes,
it's the same basic mindset.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
It seems that that society, a certain part of society,
has gone from or is I should say, is equating
euphology to bibliography or theology.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Well, it's a secular form of theology. Actually, the theology
that comes closest to his millennialism. You know, the vocabulary
is very different, the hopes are pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
In your you know, well, writing your book, what was
the chapter that gave you the hardest time? I know
every author has one chapter that they struggle with. What
was that chapter in your book?
Speaker 6 (33:11):
Well?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I think trying to make clear how it is that
our best science scientists, our best researchers are operating out
of the same myth that we find in ufology and
in the wider culture, and that it's a myth that
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has been around for maybe two millennia or so. That
there's this continuity of hope and a continuity of belief,
and a willingness to abandon what we can rely on
empirically in order to keep the myth alive. I want
to say, and this probably applies to you too. I
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have the highest respect for really good scientists who give
us new knowledge and SETI scientists do this, NASA scientists
do this. I shake the hands, pat him on the back,
thank you, thank you. But at the same time, they
have a myth that science is going to bring a salvation,
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and that's not science's job to bring his salvation. But
it's there, it's implicit. It's what gets funding, it's what
drives the research. And what I find particularly paradoxical is
that quite frequently these scientists are as anti religious as
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you can find in our society, but they've got their
own religion. It's just that they don't go to church anymore.
They go to the laboratory of the telescope. But it's
the same basic psyche operative in both locations.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
This past Sunday, CNN did a special with Morgan's perloc
on UFOs and he met a lady that took come
out into the desert and they were using night vision goggles,
and you know, she was pointing out UFOs like there
were five or six, and then there were seven, there
were eight, and now he was seeing the same thing
(35:12):
that she was saying. But I must give moof On
credit here the video of these u of the so
called UFOs, or the or the time and date that
this that they were watching these so called UFOs was
brought to an analyst and he said, well, let's check
a satellite database out, and they checked off the satellite
(35:36):
database and bang, he identified all the supposed UFOs as satellites.
There's a lot of misinformation, misdirected information, and you know, I, hey, listen,
I've given moufon bad reviews, but this was this was
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really good when somebody actually well he took the time
to look at it and say, Okay, this is what
it is. And I think this is where we're where
we're seeing the biggest divide within the the so the
different disciplines I guess within the UFO community is that
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they are not communicating. And I said this earlier before.
One of the biggest reasons why law enforcement is successful
is the communication between different law enforcement agencies and departments.
Without communication, you wouldn't catch the bad guy. And I
think the same should apply when it comes to trying
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to find et communicate. And unlike the scientific community, the
private sector wants to be the one to get the
smoking gun. The one to find the you know, the
door handle to the UFO, so to speak. Do you
think this will ever change?
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Like you, I saw the spurloc CNN documentary and I
liked it quite a bit. I liked it because spurloc
put together the UFO phenomenon right along with NASA, Chris
McKay from NASA and Jill Tarter from SETI. I really
think these belong together. Like you, I really appreciated the
(37:27):
Moufon clip where the Moffon investigators were able to show
that these apparent UFOs were actually ifos, they were satellites.
And I think, by the way, I'm a member of Moufon.
I think Moufon in general wants to have credible, scientific
(37:49):
and thoroughly scientific investigation. That is their mindset. And yes,
this was probably a better investigation than the others.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
One of the things I want to point out is
that the mindset of Moufon investigators is the same mindset
you're going to find it NASA and SETI. With regard
to what does science do, what is the purpose of science,
what is evidence gathering? How do we draw cautious conclusions?
(38:22):
And a few, not all, but a few leaders in
Moufon do have PhDs in the natural sciences, et cetera.
And there's much more in continuity with what I call,
you know, the myth of science or the belief in science,
between people like you saw there in Moufon and the
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ones that we're going to find in establishment locations such
as NASA or SETI. I think they should start going
to the same barbecues. They're going to find more in
common than they might be thinking.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
One of the biggest points and bones of contents that
I've heard throughout the years is that people who want
to have a genuine interest in euphology go to these rallies,
these exhibitions, these lectures, these seminars, and the people who
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go to these don't seem to be very well grounded.
They seem to be in a little world of their own.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
Well that's true, but the world that they're in isn't little,
it's really big.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
I speak at these.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
And I love going around talking with people, and we
put together the nuts and bolts. Youfologist investigators with the
Bigfoot witnesses, with religious cultists, with reincarnation therapists, and what
(39:58):
they like. And I've heard this many times. They'll say
to me. What I like about these gatherings is that
we can have a wild collection of ideas and nobody's critical.
And of course, if you're the scientific type, you'll say, well,
that's just the problem. We should be critical. On the
(40:19):
other hand, a lot of people have their imaginations wildly
at work, and these kinds of gatherings they can just
let their imaginations fly. Yeah, and that really bothers you,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Well, you know what, it reminds me of the CB
clubs of the of the late sixties, when you'd get
a bunch of people with CBS in their cars, pull
up into a parking lot and talk from car to
car in their CBS, you know, like if and once
again you use the term investigators, they're not stigators. They're wannabes,
(41:02):
like they're hobbyists. There are some legitimate investigators, like you said,
and I agree with you one hundred percent, but ninety
five percent of the people that I've had on this
show who claim to be investigators or researchers have no
concept of what a real investigation is all about. We've
got to take our final break stand by Peter Xonation.
(41:23):
I'm sorry, Yeah, Ted Peters is my special guest of
this hour. We're talking about his book UFOs God's Chariots.
His website is www dot Ted's Timely Take. And we'll
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as we wrap up this hour here in the X
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I got to tell you something. I like the way
you think.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
Well, I like the way I think too, but I
probably have no choice in the matter.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
You know, once again, from my experience when it comes
to UFO, it seems that there is a need a
desire for it to be real. And I think that
the need and the desire outplays many times the realistic
(45:33):
events that are actually taking place.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
I'm going to agree with you, Rob, and I say
it slightly differently, that our subjective needs and desires to
know the truth, to somehow or rather make contact with
the infinite, in this case outer space, and also to
have the salvation delivered to us courtesy of science and technology.
(46:00):
These are really big forces in our subjectivity. And so
if we're prompted by something objective in character, a light
in the sky, for example, we just dump all that
meaning right on top of it and butt. I sympathize
with you, how do we get to what's the empirical
core there? Apart from all this meaning that we dump
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on top of it.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
I believe that the meaning is within us. And many
people use the escape of sensationalistic sightings or sensationalistic landings
or crop circles as a way of passing on the
responsibility to extraterrestrials for the mess we'reing. Please come and
(46:45):
save us, because damn it, you know it's too much
hard work for us to do it ourselves. Hey, we
screwed it up, we know that, but we don't want
to take responsibility.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
This is the fundamental human condition that philosophers have been
talking about twelve only five hundred years, and it's just
coming out now in disguised form.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah, you know, like in early days, I believe that,
you know, the good stuff came from God, the bad
stuff the devil made us do it. And once again,
you know, we can't take responsibility for ourselves, so we'll
pass it on to the devil. But in many times,
it's God, why did you do that to me.
Speaker 6 (47:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
In our society, the devil are the politicians and the
angels are the scientists. And of course the scientists would
like to have us actually believe this. And now if
we can have an extra terrestrial scientist, we'll come and
deliver the goodies of an advanced civilization. Wow, now that
(47:40):
would be salvation.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Indeed, well, we can always join the Raelian Organization or
become a scientologist.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
I guess well the Realians fit this prescription to it.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Oh don't they? They sure do.
Speaker 6 (47:54):
Ted.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
I want to thank you so much for coming on
the show. Like I said, I like for you. Think
it's been a great pleasure talking to you, sir.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
Good talking with you and keep that skeptical edge you've
got there and wait for the definitive proof.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
And I'd love to have you back on anytime. Ted,
I thoroughly enjoyed our talk.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
All right, you've got my number, Ted switches the best
wishes to all your listeners.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
All right, and Ted, thanks luck, continued success and I
look forward to reading your next book. X O Nation.
Ted Peters has been my guest this hour UFOs God's Chariots.
His website is www dot Ted's Timely Take Dot com
I'll be back on the other side of the news
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Speaker 4 (01:15):
And welcome back to the x On everyone. My name
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is Ted Peters, and Ted Peters has been investigating UFOs
for four decades, serving previously as the Louisiana State director
(02:00):
of moufon That's the Mutual UFO Network. He is currently
a professor of somatic theology and ethics at Pacific Lutheran Theology,
Theological Seminary, I'm Sorry, and the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, California.
He co edits the journal Theology and Science at the
Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences. He has authored
(02:23):
and edited more than two dozen books on theology and
the dialogue between faith and science, and his website is
Ted's Timely Take at www dot Ted's Timely Take dot com.
We're going to be talking to Ted Thesaur about his
new book entitled UFOs God's Chariots. Join me now from
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Ted Peterson, Ted, Welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Well, Rob, thank you very much for having me on
the X Zone. And yes, I come from California. I
wish I could say I was in orbit around eight
Toto too reticulate, but I guess it's California. But sometimes
in California we feel like we're in morbit.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Tell me what was your inspiration for writing your book,
UFOs God's Chariots well.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
As you mentioned in the introduction, my work has to
do with the interaction or dialogue between faith and science,
and I have been fascinating with a fascinated with the
subject of UFO since I was a kid, and I've
sort of grown into it. And there is a real
(03:34):
scientific dimension, actually a kind of cast or ambience about
the UFO phenomenon, but hidden right beneath it are religious
and spiritual dimensions, and I'd like to ferret those out.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Tell me, have you yourself had a UFO experience and encounters?
Speaker 5 (03:54):
I have not, but I would love to have one,
and I've interviewed a number of people who have had experiences,
and sometimes I get a little jealous.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Is there a conflict between ufology and theology or do
they exist hand in hand?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I do not think there is a conflict. Yes, there
are some right wing Christian fundamentalist types, actually creationist types
who think that flying saucers or UFOs are demonic, but
a close look will show that what they really fear
(04:36):
is the theory of evolution, the idea that extraterrestrials evolved
on another planet. And so it becomes the same old
battle against Darwin. By and large, I think that religious
believers in general, Christians in particular, do not have any
difficulty with the idea of extraterrestrial life, nor with the
(04:59):
idea that we might be visited by ETI and flying saucers.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Tell tell me, Ted, in your opinion, why do you
think that there might be a government conspiracy or cover
up to suppress the information that extraterrestrials UFOs may be
real and may be visiting this planet.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Well? Why do I believe that?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Because there's ample evidence that the government has hidden information,
and that seemed to have begun already as early as
nineteen forty seven. The question would be whether there is
a systematic government conspiracy to hide really dramatic information. I
(05:42):
tend not to believe that, but that information that is
important has been withheld from us. Well, we can pretty
well document that that's the case.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Thanks, oll Nation. My guess this hour is Ted Peters.
We're talking to Ted about his neebook entitled UFO is
God's Chariots, Spirituality, Ancient Aliens and Religious Yearnings in the
Age of Extraterrestrials. His website is www dot Ted's Timely
Take dot com. We we've got about what we're gonna
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do is We're just gonna hold it off here. I've
got to take a two minute commercial break.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Ted.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
When we come back, we're gonna be discussing UFOs and
the the connection in theology. And I'm going to ask
you the question, are UFOs that God's Are? They are
the UFOs God's Chariots?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
I guess question?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
All right? Stand by Ted, You and I will be
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UFOs God's Chariots. His website is www. Dot Ted's Timely
Take dot com. So tell me, Ted, are UFOs God's Chariots?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
The answer is both no, and yes. The no answer
has to do with the ancient astronaut theory. Many think
that our ancestors back in Biblical times were kind of
stupid and unable to distinguish between spiritual things and visiting
(11:02):
technologically advanced flying saucers and UFOs. So we could translate
ancient scriptures both Christian as well as written texts from
other civilizations, translate those so that they don't read gods,
but they in fact read euphonauts visiting us in flying saucers.
(11:25):
I tend not to support the ancient astronaut theory, so
in that regard, no, UFOs are not God's chariots. On
the other hand, I would like to say yes because
the message that we get all too frequently, and I
shouldn't say too frequently, I should say, I'm quite grateful
(11:47):
for the message that we get, namely that euphonauts come
from a civilization that has advanced, not just scientifically but culturally.
They've learned how to have peace on their planet, to
get past the stage of development where they're threatened by
nuclear war, that in coming to Earth, they can teach
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us how to have a peaceful society here on this planet,
and I think that if that message comes to us
from those who are piloting flying saucers, I want to say,
that's a good message, and they could be agents of
God's word if that's the message that they are delivering.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
All right. Do you think that the God that so
many people on this planet believe in is the same
God that the extraterrestrials believe in?
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Well, I wouldn't know how an extraterrestrial believes until I
ask them, But I do think that there is but
one God for the entire cosmos, and if we do
wake up some morning and we've got neighbors orbitings to reticulate,
they will be children of the same Father that you
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and I are.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Is it possible that the angels that were talked about
in the Bible could actually be etes?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Actually, I don't want to categorically reject the ancient astronaut
theorists because the angels are not thoroughly described, and it
is possible that there can be bearers of God's word
in many different forms. And yes, I would say that's
(13:38):
a possibility. I'm not going to vote for it, but
it's a possibility.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
You yourself have never had a UFO experience, and yet
you're you're in the UFO field. You were with Moufon,
You've talked to many people who claim to have had experiences.
Why did you decide to carry this torch?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I've got outer space in my her soul somehow or other.
I got inflicted with that when I was about twelve
years old, and so I study UFOs and have been
since I was a teenager, all the way down to
the present period of time. But in addition to that,
I'm quite interested with regard to what our scientists are
(14:20):
doing at NASA and SETI. NASA scientists are looking for
microbial life within our solar system, and as you know,
SETI scientists are looking for intelligent life and an extrasolar planet.
I'm just as fascinated with them as I am with
the UFO phoenomena.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You know, I've had the pleasure of having Seth Shawstak
on the show a number of years.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
I've had the pleasure, delightful guy.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, and I've known you know, Seth for over twenty
two years. But you know, like I've said this to Seth.
I said, what happens if you guys are listening to
a frequency or for a frequency that you just can't
pick up what happens if the communication that you're expecting
(15:06):
has already come and past, and because of the equipment
that we have based on our modern technology, you're unable
to pick up the message.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Well, I suspect that SETH said that's just a limitation
of the technology, as well as other limitations such as
the amount of space that SETI has been able to
cover over the last five decades of their searching.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Well, if you were to take the total amount of
space that SETI has covered, if you take an eight
if you were to take all the water in the world,
it would only be an eight ounce glass of water
that they've actually investigated.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
There's a lot of universe left out there.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yep, there certainly is. There, certainly is. I'm not a skeptic.
I'm not a believer. I'm in the middle because my
background is criminal investigation, and up until now doing this
show for twenty two years, I have seen no proof.
(16:10):
I have not spoken to anybody that I unequivocally believe.
I think that Major Jesse Marcel when it comes to
Roswell should have been you know, this guy here bungled
an investigation. If there was any any credible evidence. I
believe that so many people want to believe that they
(16:33):
are clinging to anything. And I think and I believe
that the Internet has spawned so much disinformation that I
consider the Internet to be the biggest septic tank that
men has ever created.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Well, I think Seth Shostak from SETI would tend to
agree with you that from his point of view, there
is insufficient evidence gathered in the UFO phenomenon to prove
persuasively or demonstrate persuasively that we are being visited yet,
and I'm sure you've confronted this before. Rob stan Friedman
(17:12):
would say there's more evidence to prove that we're being
visited by ETI than would be necessary to convict a
criminal in.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
A court case.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
And I bet you would disagree with Friedman on that.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I disagree with Friedman on everything.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I think that Stanton Friedman is a cult leader. I
think that he you know, he's revered as a guru,
and he's basically not a guru. He's a scientist. You know,
he hasn't done anything spectacular when it comes to the
UFO and enigma except bringing what might have happened in
(17:54):
Roswell New Mexico in nineteen forty seven to the public.
That's it why people revere him, you know, that's you know,
that's up to them, But I certainly don't.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, Stan is what I would refer to as a
nuts and bolt kind of investigator. That is to say,
his model is a spacecraft that brings euphonauts here, just
like our spacecraft took astronauts to the Moon. There are
many other dimensions to the UFO phenomenon which he stays
(18:31):
away from. Abductions, paranormal experiences, kind of providential guides, a
lot of New Age spirituality, etc. And stand stays away
from that. I tend to like the nuts and bolts ufologists,
but the phenomenon is a whole lot bigger than just
(18:51):
thinking of the spacecraft.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
You know, And here we go, Roswell, New Mexico. There
has been no evidence to support the claim, any new evidence.
With all the investigators that go down there, all the
wannabes that go down there, still after all these years,
nothing new, nothing new.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
That's one way to describe the UFO phenomenon is that
fundamentally it has not changed from the early nineteen fifties
to the present time. I think in part it's due
to the media. As you suggested earlier, you're neither a
believer nor a skeptic, But the media really wants every
(19:35):
time there's a UFO report to find a believer what
does he or she say? And find a skeptic or
a debunker what do they say? And then they're done.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Well, that's because it's the media's job to present both
sides of the story and let the person watching the report,
reading the report, or listening to the report make up
their own mind.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Well, that's true, but one of the problems is that
there's only one question that the media has asked for
sixty years, and there could be other dimensions to the phenomenon.
And that's what I try to point out in this
book is that there has been cultural influence cultural impacts
(20:20):
by the UFO phenomenon, which is affected to some degree
the way we think politically. It capitalizes on our stereotypes
of what scientists do and then vary indirectly. It has
some impact on religious sensibilities, and I think these things
are interesting. I'm talking here as a scholar who studies
(20:43):
the matter, and I get interested in lots of things,
but these other dimensions, which are complex and nuanced. They
don't you get reported in media stories. But still I
think I find them interesting. And if you're neither a
skeptic or believer, I'll bet you find these other things
(21:05):
interesting as well.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Sure I find them interesting. I find them part of
the UFO genre, but it's no different than any other
aspect of the power normal ghosts, bigfoot, locknest, monster, lake monsters.
You know, you've got all these stories out there that
have been around for so long. But because of the
(21:27):
Internet bang, everybody wants to you know, everybody's joining these
little clubs, these little groups, and they don't know what
the hell they're doing. Nine times out of ten they
call themselves investigators and researchers, and they don't have a
clue what a real investigation entails, what research entails. But
they've got these little buzzwords, they've got these little magnetometers,
(21:49):
they've got these little night vision cameras, they've got these
little tape recorders. That doesn't make them investigators. The biggest
problem within the UFO community as I see it, is
there's a lack of communication between each and every UFO believer.
Every UFO researcher, every UFO investigator, and every UFO club,
(22:12):
including Moufon.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Well, I was going to say, do your criticisms apply
to move On?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Sure they don't.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
It's made an attempt to I wouldn't say professionalize, but
certainly to upgrade their investigations. But your criticisms still apply
to Moufon investigators, you think, Well.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Sure you know when flight When Flight three seventy disappeared,
the MOFON director for the State of Pennsylvania put out
a press release that what happened to Flight three seventy
was the aircraft and crew were abducted by an extraterrestrial UFO.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Well, there's probably no way to disprove it at this
particular jug sture.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
No, but come on, let's be real. You know, stand by,
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Ext O Nation. Ted Peters is our guest this hour.
He's the author of UFOs God's Chariots. His website is
www dot Ted's Timely Take dot com. You know, Ted,
like you and I were talking during the news break,
I want to believe, I really do, because something inside
each and every one of us would love to know
(26:00):
that what may be out there is out there. But
after twenty two years doing this show, over three eight
hundred interviews, doing the show from everywhere from Las Vegas
to Florida, from Florida throughout the Caribbean, Mexico, across Canada.
(26:24):
Nothing no evidence, no, no, no, no undeniable photograph. Why,
in your opinions as a theological expert here, why is
it that people want to believe in UFOs? What is
(26:45):
it that in the human psyche that intrigues people to
the point that they, in many cases devote their devote,
every every spare moment to it.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
What is in the human psyche? And now I think
you're getting to a really good question. We've left the
objective question behind. Now we're going to take a look
at the subjective one. And I do propose some answers
here in the book.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
I think a.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Outer space is naturally inspiring. B. We want salvation and
wouldn't it be wonderful if a more highly evolved society
could bring salvation to our planet. And C we want
to be important and nothing could be more important than
having an event like this. So I refer to this
(27:38):
as a myth. It's a myth in the sense that
it's like a pair of glasses that we put on
and we interpret anomalous stimuli anomalous experiences in terms of
this myth, and it gives it meaning. And one of
the cases I want to make with which would bother
(28:01):
Seth Shostak is that SETI and the UFO community hold
the same myth. They have the same fundamental mythological beliefs,
some of which are scientific, but some of them are
not scientific. Yet this myth makes it all meaningful, all
worthwhile to get our hopes and expectations up that finally,
(28:25):
someday from the sky will drop down all the goodies
that a future science of technology could give us.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Well, if not, why not?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I would say it's not likely to happen because it's
based upon imagination rather than upon good science or good evidence.
You know, the ETI myth is coming when you hear
a phrase such as, maybe those intelligent creatures on another
(29:03):
planet have evolved longer than we have. As soon as
you hear that phrase, they evolved longer than we have
a you're leaving science b The myth is now beginning
to take structure because what happens, and hear this amongst
UFO people and SETI people and sometimes an Ascid people
(29:25):
as well, is the idea that evolution is progressive, that
somehow or other, evolution goes from the simple to the complex,
from the stupid to the intelligent, from the religious to
the scientific, and you can just see the ideology building.
And so if an extraterrestrial civilization it has advanced certain
(29:47):
hundreds of years, thousands of years, or millions of years.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Just think of all the progress.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
They would have gotten through not just nuclear war, but
also the assesspool of the Internet, which you a few
minutes ago. And all of a sudden, these extraterrestrials are
looking like angels, are looking like gods. It's just that
they're scientific and technological angels or gods. They're are not
(30:17):
spiritual ones. And then we begin to place hopes on them. Again,
I want to say it's a myth. It's actually based
on an ancient myth called the Gnostic Redeemer myth. And
according to that myth, salvation comes through knowledge. And what
UFO expectance. People who are expecting the UFOs to arrive,
(30:42):
the people from outer space are going to give us
knowledge on how to prevent war, or knowledge on how
to prevent planetary degradation. They're going to deliver what the
Bible used to call an apocalypse or the Kingdom of
God or something and holds exactly the same myth. It's
(31:02):
just that you know, it's fancied up with a little
bit more scientific language, but the same myth is at
work there. And if you mentioned the SETI that our
best evolutionary biologist of Francisco Wayala or Stephen J. Gould
will say, I'm sorry, evolution is not progressive and you
cannot expect evolution and another planet to produce a more
(31:26):
highly event advanced society. I'm sorry, that's not scientific. Well
we cant well, with all those planets out there, at
least some planet must have this more.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Highly advanced society.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
And I just want to say, you're leaving science now,
you're getting into the realm of hope and expectation. And
I think that's why you don't see the empirical evidence,
and that's why you ask the question what's going on
with the human psyche? And it's the same psyche in
the UFO phenomenon, in the phenomenon and amongst the apocalyptic
(32:03):
religions of a couple of thousand years ago.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
But is that the same psyche of Christians Jews?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Oh yes, yes, Christians and especially Messianic Jews would would
think that way. And I don't want to reduce all
of these things to only a psychic phenomenon. But yes,
it's the same basic mindset.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
It seems that that society, a certain part of society,
has gone from or is I should say, is equating
euphology to bibliography or theology.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Well, it's a secular form of theology. Actually, the theology
that comes closest to his millennialism. You know, the vocabulary
is very different, the hopes are pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
In your you know, well, writing your book, what was
the chapter that gave you the hardest time? I know
every author has one chapter that they struggle with. What
was that chapter in your book?
Speaker 6 (33:11):
Well?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I think trying to make clear how it is that
our best science scientists, our best researchers are operating out
of the same myth that we find in ufology and
in the wider culture, and that it's a myth that
(33:33):
has been around for maybe two millennia or so. That
there's this continuity of hope and a continuity of belief,
and a willingness to abandon what we can rely on
empirically in order to keep the myth alive. I want
to say, and this probably applies to you too. I
(33:55):
have the highest respect for really good scientists who give
us new knowledge and SETI scientists do this, NASA scientists
do this. I shake the hands, pat him on the back,
thank you, thank you. But at the same time, they
have a myth that science is going to bring a salvation,
(34:16):
and that's not science's job to bring his salvation. But
it's there, it's implicit. It's what gets funding, it's what
drives the research. And what I find particularly paradoxical is
that quite frequently these scientists are as anti religious as
(34:37):
you can find in our society, but they've got their
own religion. It's just that they don't go to church anymore.
They go to the laboratory of the telescope. But it's
the same basic psyche operative in both locations.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
This past Sunday, CNN did a special with Morgan's perloc
on UFOs and he met a lady that took come
out into the desert and they were using night vision goggles,
and you know, she was pointing out UFOs like there
were five or six, and then there were seven, there
were eight, and now he was seeing the same thing
(35:12):
that she was saying. But I must give moof On
credit here the video of these u of the so
called UFOs, or the or the time and date that
this that they were watching these so called UFOs was
brought to an analyst and he said, well, let's check
a satellite database out, and they checked off the satellite
(35:36):
database and bang, he identified all the supposed UFOs as satellites.
There's a lot of misinformation, misdirected information, and you know, I, hey, listen,
I've given moufon bad reviews, but this was this was
(35:58):
really good when somebody actually well he took the time
to look at it and say, Okay, this is what
it is. And I think this is where we're where
we're seeing the biggest divide within the the so the
different disciplines I guess within the UFO community is that
(36:21):
they are not communicating. And I said this earlier before.
One of the biggest reasons why law enforcement is successful
is the communication between different law enforcement agencies and departments.
Without communication, you wouldn't catch the bad guy. And I
think the same should apply when it comes to trying
(36:42):
to find et communicate. And unlike the scientific community, the
private sector wants to be the one to get the
smoking gun. The one to find the you know, the
door handle to the UFO, so to speak. Do you
think this will ever change?
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Like you, I saw the spurloc CNN documentary and I
liked it quite a bit. I liked it because spurloc
put together the UFO phenomenon right along with NASA, Chris
McKay from NASA and Jill Tarter from SETI. I really
think these belong together. Like you, I really appreciated the
(37:27):
Moufon clip where the Moffon investigators were able to show
that these apparent UFOs were actually ifos, they were satellites.
And I think, by the way, I'm a member of Moufon.
I think Moufon in general wants to have credible, scientific
(37:49):
and thoroughly scientific investigation. That is their mindset. And yes,
this was probably a better investigation than the others.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
One of the things I want to point out is
that the mindset of Moufon investigators is the same mindset
you're going to find it NASA and SETI. With regard
to what does science do, what is the purpose of science,
what is evidence gathering? How do we draw cautious conclusions?
(38:22):
And a few, not all, but a few leaders in
Moufon do have PhDs in the natural sciences, et cetera.
And there's much more in continuity with what I call,
you know, the myth of science or the belief in science,
between people like you saw there in Moufon and the
(38:44):
ones that we're going to find in establishment locations such
as NASA or SETI. I think they should start going
to the same barbecues. They're going to find more in
common than they might be thinking.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
One of the biggest points and bones of contents that
I've heard throughout the years is that people who want
to have a genuine interest in euphology go to these rallies,
these exhibitions, these lectures, these seminars, and the people who
(39:17):
go to these don't seem to be very well grounded.
They seem to be in a little world of their own.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
Well that's true, but the world that they're in isn't little,
it's really big.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
I speak at these.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
And I love going around talking with people, and we
put together the nuts and bolts. Youfologist investigators with the
Bigfoot witnesses, with religious cultists, with reincarnation therapists, and what
(39:58):
they like. And I've heard this many times. They'll say
to me. What I like about these gatherings is that
we can have a wild collection of ideas and nobody's critical.
And of course, if you're the scientific type, you'll say, well,
that's just the problem. We should be critical. On the
(40:19):
other hand, a lot of people have their imaginations wildly
at work, and these kinds of gatherings they can just
let their imaginations fly. Yeah, and that really bothers you,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Well, you know what, it reminds me of the CB
clubs of the of the late sixties, when you'd get
a bunch of people with CBS in their cars, pull
up into a parking lot and talk from car to
car in their CBS, you know, like if and once
again you use the term investigators, they're not stigators. They're wannabes,
(41:02):
like they're hobbyists. There are some legitimate investigators, like you said,
and I agree with you one hundred percent, but ninety
five percent of the people that I've had on this
show who claim to be investigators or researchers have no
concept of what a real investigation is all about. We've
got to take our final break stand by Peter Xonation.
(41:23):
I'm sorry, Yeah, Ted Peters is my special guest of
this hour. We're talking about his book UFOs God's Chariots.
His website is www dot Ted's Timely Take. And we'll
be back on the other side of this commercial break
as we wrap up this hour here in the X
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(41:46):
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I got to tell you something. I like the way
you think.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
Well, I like the way I think too, but I
probably have no choice in the matter.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
You know, once again, from my experience when it comes
to UFO, it seems that there is a need a
desire for it to be real. And I think that
the need and the desire outplays many times the realistic
(45:33):
events that are actually taking place.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
I'm going to agree with you, Rob, and I say
it slightly differently, that our subjective needs and desires to
know the truth, to somehow or rather make contact with
the infinite, in this case outer space, and also to
have the salvation delivered to us courtesy of science and technology.
(46:00):
These are really big forces in our subjectivity. And so
if we're prompted by something objective in character, a light
in the sky, for example, we just dump all that
meaning right on top of it and butt. I sympathize
with you, how do we get to what's the empirical
core there? Apart from all this meaning that we dump
(46:23):
on top of it.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
I believe that the meaning is within us. And many
people use the escape of sensationalistic sightings or sensationalistic landings
or crop circles as a way of passing on the
responsibility to extraterrestrials for the mess we'reing. Please come and
(46:45):
save us, because damn it, you know it's too much
hard work for us to do it ourselves. Hey, we
screwed it up, we know that, but we don't want
to take responsibility.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
This is the fundamental human condition that philosophers have been
talking about twelve only five hundred years, and it's just
coming out now in disguised form.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah, you know, like in early days, I believe that,
you know, the good stuff came from God, the bad
stuff the devil made us do it. And once again,
you know, we can't take responsibility for ourselves, so we'll
pass it on to the devil. But in many times,
it's God, why did you do that to me.
Speaker 6 (47:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
In our society, the devil are the politicians and the
angels are the scientists. And of course the scientists would
like to have us actually believe this. And now if
we can have an extra terrestrial scientist, we'll come and
deliver the goodies of an advanced civilization. Wow, now that
(47:40):
would be salvation.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Indeed, well, we can always join the Raelian Organization or
become a scientologist.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
I guess well the Realians fit this prescription to it.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Oh don't they? They sure do.
Speaker 6 (47:54):
Ted.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
I want to thank you so much for coming on
the show. Like I said, I like for you. Think
it's been a great pleasure talking to you, sir.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
Good talking with you and keep that skeptical edge you've
got there and wait for the definitive proof.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
And I'd love to have you back on anytime. Ted,
I thoroughly enjoyed our talk.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
All right, you've got my number, Ted switches the best
wishes to all your listeners.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
All right, and Ted, thanks luck, continued success and I
look forward to reading your next book. X O Nation.
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