November 19, 2025 • 56 mins
Tonight, we’re diving into a realm where science, faith, psychology, and the unexplained collide. Our guest, Vicki Joy Anderson, is an author and researcher whose work examines some of the most chilling and misunderstood experiences of the human condition: sleep paralysis, spiritual warfare, and the hidden battlefields of the unseen world. With a bold approach that blends biblical insight, real-world testimony, and deep investigative research, Vicki brings clarity to topics most people are afraid to even whisper about. Her website, vickijotanderson.com, is a gateway into her groundbreaking work, and tonight, she joins us to separate myth from reality and shed light on the mysterious forces that visit us when the world goes dark. This is one interview you’ll want to listen to with the lights on.
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Right here in St. Catharine's Ontario streaming us on Classic
twelve twenty dot ca Well tonight, we're diving into the
realm of where science, faith and psychology and the unexplained collide.
Our guest, Vicky Joy Anderson is an author and researcher
whose work examines some of the most chilling and misunderstood
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experiences of the human condition, sleep paralysis, spiritual warfare, and
the hidden battlefields of the unseen world. With a bold
approach that blends a biblical insight, real world testimony, and
deep investigative research, Vicky brings clarity to topics most people
are afraid to even whisper about your website, Vickyjoyanderson dot
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com is it's a gateway, the great way into her
groundbaking mercan tonight. She joins us to separate from reality
and shed light onto the mysterious forces that visit us
when the world goes dark. Vicky, welcome back to the
extu and A was great having you with us. How
are you, my friend?
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Thank you Rob, thank you for that beautiful intro, and
thank you for having me back.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's always a pleasure having you and I must say
that sleep paralysis is a topic that people really don't
like to talk about it these days, and yeah, it's crazy.
How did you get involved in the study and research
of sleep paralysis? Let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
Yeah, well, I got entangled in it unintentionally, as in
that it was something that I suffered from from about
three years old up until about forty and I think
for the longest time I just sort of pretended it
was nightmares due to stress and trauma, and I think
I knew it was something more, but it's just easier
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to lie to ourselves. You know, when you hear the
bump in the night, you say it's the cat, even
if you don't have one. You just don't really want
to delve deeper. And so it was not really anything
I ever paid much attention to, to tell you the truth,
It was just such a part of life. It was like,
there we go again. And it wasn't until I had
a resurgence of it when I turned forty that I
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finally decided I kind of want to figure out what
this is. And when I discovered that this was something
that was not just happening to me, but in fact
happening to thousands of people. You know, every sex, every
culture every period of time. This goes all the way
back documented into like the sixteenth century, though it occurred
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before because there's whispers of it in the scripture. But
I decided, just for my own curiosity's sake, that I
wanted to know what it was and why it was
targeting me and if there was an mo or all
the people being targeted, do we have something in common?
Rob the people that I write to and that I
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talk to. Everybody's had this maybe once or twice, a
little bit of jet lag, or maybe a divorce or
a stressful time in their life. I'm primarily talking about
the people where this started around three to five years
old and it has chronically followed them for decades. That's
the group that I am studying and that I am researching,
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helping people that are being traumatized by this to figure
out what doors were open and how can we close
them and how can we overcome this because it's something
that over time affects someone mentally, emotionally, psychologically, physically, and spiritually.
It's a very draining thing to be having happened to you.
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And there's a lot of people out there who want
help and psychology, medicine and the priesthood. They're all trying
their best, but they're compartmentalized, and they all have little
bits of the story, and none of them are ultimately
very helpful.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
All right, let's let our listeners know what sleep paralysis is.
How would you describe it?
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Yeah, that's always a great place to start, rob because physiologically,
there is nothing wrong, weird, supernatural, or paranormal about being
paralyzed during certain phases of sleep. And that's why I
personally think that the phrase sleep paralysis was really poorly
chosen because it inadvertently becomes a way to gaslight people
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who do suffer from it, as as if to accuse
these people of being so stupid that they don't understand
that during RAM cycles you're naturally paralyzed. And the reason
why that happens is we would act out our dreams,
and so when that paralytic function malfunctions, that's when we
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have sleepwalkers and bedwetters that that paralytic function is breaking down.
So there's nothing weird at all about being paralyzed during
deep sleep and RAM phases. What we're really talking about
here when we say sleep paralysis is we're talking about
people who have an episode or an attack of some
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kind during those phases of sleep when they're paralyzed, and
these people often report seeing entities or sensing entities in
their room, being pinned down, held down, choked, they can't breathe,
extreme levels of terror. It runs the gamut. Rob there's
no real way to summarize everyone's experience because there's outliers.
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And interestingly, I'm finding that the younger generations are having
a much different experience. Where the sleep paralysis entities caught
Gen X and baby boomers with vinegar, they are catching
the younger generations with the sugar.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
My goodness. When during your research, have you found out
that the very first reports or historical accounts of sleep
paralysis actually were brought to the attention of the masses.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
So there is a medical journal I believe it was
from the Netherlands, and it goes back to the sixteenth century,
and that was the first allegedly the first documented in
a medical journal instance, but I believe it goes way
way back before documented history, back into oral history. There's
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whispers of it in the Bible, Job four being the
most prominent example, where Eleafhaz, one of Job's buddies, who
is there giving him unhelpful counsel as he suffers. The
Elafhaz is trying to build up a case for why
his wisdom that's about to come out of his mouth
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cannot be argued with. And it's kind of the antiquated
equivalent of when you know, these Christians come up to
you and say, I have a word from the Lord
for you, how do you argue with that? Right? And
so what he says is that he was, you know,
in his bed at night and he couldn't move, and
a figure, a spirit passed before him and spoke. And
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so he's basically telling Job because something from the celestial
plane visited me at night, the words that were spoken
to be must be wisdom, So you must listen interestingly.
By the end of the Book of Job, Job is
offering sacrifices and praying on behalf of Elephas because of
the unsoundness of his alleged wisdom. But at least there
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we get a that's probably the most significant example in
scripture of sleep paralysis. And I love the fact that
it shows up in the Book of Job. Because the
books of the Bible aren't in our English Bible. They
aren't listed chronologically, and job is often believed by scholars
and historians to be the oldest book in the Bible,
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so it goes all the way literally to the beginning
of time.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
How does your Christian faith shape the lens through which
you explore the phenomenon.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Yeah, that's a great question, and the answer might surprise
people inside and outside of the faith. Now, when I
was young, when I was a little girl, and I
was going to Sunday school every Sunday, and I didn't
have a concept of anything deep or theological. I just,
you know, had a three four, five six year old understanding.
For some reason, whenever I would have these dreams, I
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recognized that they were not ordinary dreams, and I would
I would instinctively, in my mind believe that it had
something to do with the Devil, because I didn't have
a concept of demons back then. I just thought everything
was either Jesus or the Devil. And so when I
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was having dreams where I could see my bedroom and
I felt like I was awake and I was I
was specifically getting disembodied voices in my head. The messages were,
We're going to drag you to hell. Jesus doesn't love you, your
parents can't hear you, they won't save you even if
they could. I mean, they were very spiritual messaging. But
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I do recognize and I can hear the skeptics in
my head, and I will agree that the way we are,
the way that we believe, our worldview and our culture
is going to significantly influence how we interpret these events.
So the way an atheist versus a Catholic is going
to interpret this, the way an American versus someone from
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the Philippines or Africa or Russia, it's all going to
be different. We're going to have different names for this,
different interpretations. And so I fully realize that my culture
and my my Christian worldview is obviously going to influence
how I interpret these events. But as I've gotten older
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and I've delved deeper, and I've now had the opportunity
and the pleasure to talk to hundreds of people all
over the world who have told me about their experiences,
what I'm finding that's really interesting, Rob Because I've talked
to Muslims, I've talked to atheists, Agnostics, Catholics, Christians. It
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runs the gamut. And I will tell you that people
instinctively as they're explaining to me their story and they're
getting triggered, and you can tell that they're getting anxious
as they're rehashing the story. No matter what your worldview,
or your religion, or your lack thereof, people always use
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the same vocabulary, even if it doesn't match their worldview
or their culture. You have got everyone instinctively using the
world's evil hell and demons.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Vicky, stand by you and I have to take a break.
X O Nation. Our guest this hour is Vicky Joy Anderson.
She's the author of The Only Come Out at Night
and visit her website www dot Vicky joy Anderson dot com.
Are you a believer or are you a skeptic? Send
me an email x O at x on Radio TV
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dot com and we'll both be back on the other
side of the short break. As we continue from our
broadcast entering studios in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, I'm Rob McConnell.
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W dot com. Sleep paralysis. I remember having it once
and as I started to wake up, I was paralyzed
and I kind of chuckled to myself and I said
to myself, Wow, this is cool. I know what's happening.
Come on, kick in kicking, where's that hormone that's going
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to release me from this? And I worked my way
out of it, but it still is a frightful experience
when you wake up and you just can't move. Not
only has there been the mystery surrounding sleep prolyssies, but
there's a lot of people who associate it with demons,
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and there are also people who associate it with alien abductions.
Now my question to you is, as a researcher, is
it possible that the alien abduction and the demonic experience
may be one and the same.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Yeah, this is a great question, rob And this was
something that my mind got changed as I researched because
I was sort of educated the way everyone is that
you don't get your chocolate in my peanut butter. That
sort of a thing. Because uphology has been taken seriously.
There's serious researchers out there. They don't want all this
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little sleep prowless is riff raff nonsense getting mixed in
with their serious research, and so I always respected that
boundary and determined that, yeah, they're probably nothing alike. However,
in the last four years of doing hundreds and hundreds
of counseling sessions with people who have had sleep paralysis,
I have numerous UFO experiencers calling me and one of
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them told me, and this was eye opening to me
because I did not realize this, and she told me,
not everyone who has sleep paralysis has had a UFO
abduction experience, but everyone who has had a UFO abduction experience,
that's sleep paralysis. And that was really the point where
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my research really shifted and I started grafting the UFO
research into mind because prior to that I didn't think
that they were related. And so we know that with
UFO abductions, people can experience them well wide away. You know,
they're driving down the road, they're in the proverbial cornfield,
things like that. But there is a sleep paralysis version
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where instead of the shadow man or the red glowing
eyes or the old Hag, the three alien grays show
up at the end of the bed. That's sort of
a scenario. The instances are different. Classic sleep paralysis is
usually shrouded in darkness. Your room is dark, it's darker
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than dark. You a lot of times are going to
see the entities at the bedroom door. If you have
an out of body experience, you're probably going to be
pulled toward the ceiling. With the UFO variety, you've got
the alien grays instead of the shadow people. Instead of darkness,
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you have a room flooded with light. And during the
outer body phase, if you get to that phase, you're
being pulled typically toward a window rather than the ceiling.
Another thing that I found, And of course, rob these
are just statistics. There's always outliers, there's always people that
don't fit into these categories. But for the for the
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for the most part, the people that have had sleep paralysis,
chronic sleep paralysis their entire life, there's some type of
childhood trauma. With the UFO version, the trauma is usually
very specific to molestation or sexual abuse.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
How would that relate to in an alien abduction scenario?
What is the what is the the mechanism that would
bring a child molestation to manifest itself as an alien abduction?
Is this the way the child gets themselves out of
their body away from the experience.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Yeah, it's a great question. And this is the part
you know you had alluded earlier in the show. This
is why people, even in today's day and age, where
people get on Facebook or television and share all their deepest,
darkest secrets, there's really no such thing as taboo anymore.
That's right, But This is the part that people are
very reticent to talk about. And again, there are outliers,
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and I'm not talking about people that just had sleep
proalysis once or twice during a stressful situation. I'm talking
about the people that have had chronic targeted harassment over
their whole life.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
How does it relate to harassment?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Well, because when your sleep is getting interrupted night after
night after night, and you're seeing entities in your room
and it's affecting your sleep, and it's creating over time
narcolepsy and sleep disorders, it's creating mental illnesses, it's creating
physical illnesses. They're now doing secular scientific studies that some
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eighty five percent of UFO experiencers, by the time they
reach their forties have several autoimmune diseases. There's links to
the decline of the mental, emotional, psychological, spiritual, and physical health.
But the piece that nobody wants to talk about, rob
is that a lot of people that have had chronic
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sleep paralysis of the UFO or the shadow Man variety,
these experiences are sexual.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Let's I would imagine. I would imagine that the vast
majority of these experiences happened at nighttime.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Am I correct, correct, Though despite the title of my book,
they only come out at night. They can come out
any time you are in a state of utter exhaustion,
an RM state, or an altered state of consciousness. So
a lot of time, the worst sleep paralysis episodes are
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when people take those mid afternoon naps, or they're jet lagged,
or extreme amounts of stress, or in meditative states. A
lot of new agers, they won't talk about this openly,
but when you're in those deep meditative states, or you're
in those binaural frequency inducing altered states, the veil is
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thin and these things can happen. So it does not
have to be at night. Is just the most convenient
time because people are phasing in and out of altered
states of consciousness all throughout the night.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Why I was asking that as I was wondering how
it relates to people who do shift work. If a
person who does three shifts, for example, eight to eight
to four, four to eight and then eight eight until whatever,
how does this affect them? Are they more susceptible to
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sleep paralysis because their bodies clock seems to be altered
all the time. And I know from personal experience when
I was on the police force that for the longest
while when you would work those three shifts, your body
it was hard on your body. Finally, I said, no,
I just want to work night patrol so I could
get some semblance of scheduling so that my body could
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react better and I would feel better. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Yeah, So when.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
You've got people like the residents who work in hospitals,
nurses who work in hospitals, who work with the tremendous
shifts that they work, are they more susceptible as well
as the people who do work shift work? Are they
more susceptible? And is there any study to correlate that
with the evidence that you've collected over the years.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Absolutely. This is a great question, and in my attempt
to answer that, I stumbled into some really fascinating research.
What's fascinating about this is we're told, you know, the
health standard is go to bed at sunset, or go
to bed, you know, before ten o'clock. You definitely want
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to be asleep between ten and midnight, and all the
defragging and the brain happens, and your gallbladder is not
going to digest food if you don't fall asleep by
this hour. And we're told that this circadian rhythm of
eight hours of uninterrupted sleep during these certain hours is
absolutely essential to quality health. But what's fascinating rob is
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historically that was not the sleeping pattern. And if you
go into antiquity and you read about by phasic sleep,
it's also called segmented sleep. There's actually a whole bunch
of different names for it. When you read old literature
or you watch period piece movies that take place during
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certain time periods, they'll say first sleep and second sleep.
That's another word for it. Interestingly, we all know about
the witching hour, which is midnight to three am, and
so what's interesting is in many many cultures throughout time,
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people would go to bed at sundown, they would sleep
three to four hours. They would get up and they
would stay up for three or four hours, and then
they would go back to bed and sleep the remaining
three to four hours. Because we know from sundown to
sun up there's twelve hours. Nobody sleeps twelve hours. We're
not going to go to bed when the sun goes
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down and then get up when it comes up. We
don't sleep twelve hours. And so the people of antiquity
were still sleeping eight hours, but they had a four
hour window in between where they would get up, and
when you read about it, some say they did housework,
they did cooking, they did baking, they did some of
the things that were too hot to do. During the day,
they would socialize, they would have family time, they would
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play games, they would visit neighbors. But if you get
into the deep lore in the religious history, what people
were doing during that witching hour was praying and they
were evaluating their dreams. And what we know is a
lot of us, especially as we get older, we tend
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to not remember as many of our dreams as we
did when we were young, or we only remember the
dream that we had as we were waking, and even
then once we're up and we've been up about an hour,
we even forget that. And so what these people would
do is they would get up in the middle of
the night where all of those dream memories were still fresh,
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and they would evaluate them and they would dig through
them for symbols and meanings or messages from the heavenlys
or or they would be praying to protect the family
from from the gods and the demons, and depending on
the mythology of the culture, and so we've fallen out
of practice with that. But I do wonder if maybe
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the ancients knew something that we didn't know. I do
a lot of research on spiritual warfare, and a lot
of people, especially people in the church, have really not
taken spiritual warfare seriously anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Let's talk about spiritual warfare when we come back from
this break. Explanation. Vicky Joy Anderson is our guest. Your
website is Vickyjoy Anderson dot com, and she's the author
of They Only come out at night like somebody's grandmother's teeth.
I guess we'll be back after this break. Don't go away.
You're listening to us on your hometown radio, Classic twelve
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Speaker 3 (29:04):
Welcome back to one. Vicky joy Anderson is my very
special guest. We're talking about sleep paralysis, demons, extraterrestrial abductions
and so on. And if you'd like to find out
more about Vicky, if you'd like to find out where
you can get a copy of her book, they only
come out at night, visit her website at vickyjoy Anderson
dot com. We started talking about spiritual warfare just before
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this last break. Tell me more about that because that
sounds like it's very interesting. And is this the connection
between a fight between good and evil? Does that come
into the mix anywhere?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
It's the ultimate Biblical star wars, that the cosmic seed
war that goes back to Genesis three fifteen, where after
the fall, God said to Eve and Adam and the serpent,
that there will be between your seed, speaking to Eve
and the seed of this serpent. And the kind of
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The primo facto Bible verse on spiritual warfare is Ephesians
six twelve. This is the Armor of God section where
we're told to put on the armor of God and
it says that our battle is not against flesh and blood.
In other words, it's not against one another, you know,
it's against these cosmic forces. And depending on your translation,
it'll say fallen angels or Arkhans, principalities, powers, spiritual forces
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of wickedness, et cetera, et cetera. And what a lot
of Christians don't understand. And it's probably not their fault,
because it's really fallen out of vogue to preach about
the devil or hell or demons or spiritual warfare in
church in our generation. But believe it or not, my research,
in my ministry, I get the most pushback and the
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most flak from Christians. You think it would be coming
from the New Agers or the ocultists, or the agnostics
or the atheists, and I speak to all of them
on a regular basis, and I don't get any pushback
like I get from my brothers and sisters in Christ.
And what I get is, if you are really a
Christian sleep paralysis, none of this stuff could happen to
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you because Jesus died and he rose from the dead,
and he took care of all this. So if you're
being attacked like this, you have some sort of an
open door. There's something you did wrong. You're not really
a Christian, et cetera, et cetera. But here's the deal,
and this is what a lot of people don't realize.
Rob that verse Ephesian six twelve, where we're being warned
as believers to be sober minded and vigilant because there's
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a war going on and we're cannon fodder in the
middle of it, and we have enemies in these heavenly places.
That was written somewhere between thirty to fifty years after
Jesus rose from the dead. Paul wrote that in Ephesians,
and so what in the world are people like Peter
and Paul going on and on in the New Testament
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about being sober minded and vigilant. Your adversary is like
a prowling lion seeking someone to devour, and to be
weary of these adversaries in the heavenly places. Why are
they scaring us needlessly? If that all got taken care
of and we got our heads buried in the sand,
thinking that if we're good Christians and we go to church,
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that you know we're safe. But the fact of the
matter is if you're on if you've picked a side
in a war and you're deemed by the enemy as
the enemy, you're going to be even more targeted for
spiritual warfare. He doesn't go after his own team. So
it's always sort of baffled me a little bit that
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Jesus dying on the cross somehow means we don't ever
have to break a nail ever again, and there's no
reason to be vigilant.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It sounds rather manipulative that all these what Paul was
writing about, and how they took the message of sleep
paralysis and threw in their own demonic a way of
controlling people. And I often wonder if how the Bible
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would be written if all the events that are written
about in the Bible happened today, how different would it be.
For example, Paul and the others of the Bible had
no concept of neurology. They had no concept of how
the body processes information. And maybe this is how they
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best explained it. But couldn't they have done it in
a nicer way?
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Exactly right? Yeah, you know so much of what we're
dealing with here. This is something I learned the hard way, Rob,
and I kind of had this epiphany in my mid forties.
I had spent my entire life devoutly going to church,
you know. And when I was a kid, we were
the Sunday Morning, Sunday School, Sunday Night, Wednesday Night pioneer girls.
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You know, we were a gung ho and you know,
that was my entire life. I ended up going to
a Bible college, four years of seminary level classes. I
got a master's certification in Biblical demonology. I'm working on
a doctorate now in the same topics. And what I've
come to find out, rob is, even though I've invested
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half a century in studying the Bible, all we're really
learning is what modern people's interpretations of the scripture is.
And we are so divorced from the context, the culture,
the history, the language, and the geography of the original
texts that we can be light years off in some
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cases of what that Scripture is really saying. And if
Moses or Elijah or Paul or John came and sat
in the most genuine Bible thumping devout church today, I
don't know if they would even understand that we were
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reading out of the books that they wrote. We're just
so separated. And it doesn't mean we can't find the
truth or that it's all a lie. It means that
you can take a rake in your yard and you
can rake stuff, but all you're going to get is
a bag of moldy leaves. And if you really want
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buried treasure, you want pearls, and you want wealth, well
you've got to go to the deepest, darkest, coldest, most
dangerous part of the ocean. You got to risk your
life to find pearls. And so what do you want
moldi leaves or do you want the pearl? And I
find that, unfortunately, the Christian Church has turned into a
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bunch of people with rakes, and they're not digging deep enough.
And that's why Christianity is falling so short of what
people need, and why so many Christians are depressed and
anxious because they are still getting this baby formula and
they're not willing or able to plummet the depths where
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the treasure chests are.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
When it comes to the demons that are causing and
sleep paralysis, according to some people, are they always the
same demons? Is there one specific demon that is the
master of ceremonies for all the little demons that are
running around?
Speaker 7 (36:50):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Rob, There is so much conjecture out there about the
hierarchy of demons and the higher archy of angels and
the Bible, at least the version we have of it now.
Have books been removed and hidden from us, probably would
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more of those gaps be filled and more of those
questions be answered if we had access to everything that's
been hidden, probably, But the version we have of it
now really doesn't go into extreme detail about the hierarchy.
And I know some people that say, if you have
a if you've had sleep proalysis your whole life, it's
the same demon every time. But I don't know where
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they get that from. I don't know what their source
is for that. The one thing that might be true
is there are cases, and we're talking now about high
level occult and free Masonic rituals where we have these
Bride of Satan ceremonies where children at the age of
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eight are you know, they put on their red dresses
and given over to some sort of demonic entity in
these rituals, and in those cases when you're talking about
a spirit spouse, that very well could be one entity
that is assigned to you. But every single time I
had sleep proalysis over the course of my life, was
the entity coming to my room the same one every time.
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I don't know the closest we get to that, But again,
there's not tons of information in the scripture, and that
is the familiars. I do think that there are familiar spirits,
and so there are spirits that have had access to
your entire bloodline, so they knew your grandpa and your
great grandma and your great great grandma, and they know
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more about your family line and your history than you do.
And in that sense, I think that the familiars are
assigned to us. But I'm not necessarily certain that it's
the familiars that are always the ones showing up in
the bedroom doing the scary stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Right. I can understand that an adult might have a
little bit of a better understanding of what is happening,
But God bless the children. How do they process what
they go through? How do they process the sleep paralysis?
And I understand that a child who has sleep paralysis
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also has a problem with nightmares. How do they cope?
How did you cope?
Speaker 6 (39:26):
So I don't know so much about the younger generations, Rob,
but I'm gen X and so I was raised by
baby boomers, right, and so I just I had so
much Like, first of all, I had an extremely high functioning,
loving family. My parents were married for forty seven years.
They got married at nineteen, and there was never any
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affairs or alcohol or anything like that. It was very
leave it to beaver. But I had a lot of
chaos in my life because I was having surgeries every
year for the fifteen years of my life, and so
it was constant doctor's appointments and needles and shots and
medications and being bullied at school and going to school
with stitches still on my face. And so I had
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a lot of undiagnosed anxiety and depression and rejection and
trauma because back in the seventies, people didn't talk about that,
you know, And so I don't think it was ever diagnosed,
and I don't even know that I was aware of it.
And so I was a high functioning, very resilient kid.
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I was an overcomer, and so I just did those
surgeries at like a champ, and I was like, hey,
I did it, man. And so it really wasn't until
I was forty and my mom passed away, which triggered
a tremendous amount of grief that all of a sudden,
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the whole house of cards came down and I realized
that I had four decades of night mares, astral abductions
and sleep paralysis that I had never taken seriously, never evaluated,
and never done anything about. And so I've been on
a quest for the last thirteen years to really identify
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trauma and rejection and work on anxiety and healing. You
can talk all day long, rob about praying and fasting
and going to church or getting an exorcist or deliverance
or casting demons out. But if you do all of
that and you do not face the demons that are
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your trauma, You're not ever going to get over this.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Vicky standbye. We've got to take our final break exhanation.
Vicky Joy Anderson is our guest. She's the author of
They Only Come Out at Night, and her website is
Vickyjoyanderson dot com.
Speaker 7 (41:49):
Talkaway, We'll be right backs.
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Speaker 3 (42:59):
Stars Vicky joy Anderson is our guest and Vicky, thank
you so much for coming on the show. It's always
a great pleasure.
Speaker 7 (43:11):
Talking to you.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
And for the people who may not have the opportunity
of talking to you like we do, I'm sure they'd
like me to say one thing to you. Thank you
for being there, thank you for helping them. And I'm
sure because you do such a great service by helping
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these people understand. And I wonder how many people listening
have thought that they're the only people that this happens to,
and it's through people like yourself that are able to
help them. And what's the number one question you get asked?
And when somebody finds out what you do and that
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they're not alone with this old hag syndrome, the sleep proalysis,
what do they say to you?
Speaker 6 (44:02):
This is really sad, rob it breaks my heart. The
number one consistent first question I get is am I crazy?
Speaker 7 (44:13):
My lord?
Speaker 6 (44:15):
Because it's what they've been told their whole life, And
it's why most people won't speak about this, because they're
afraid of getting that label, and that's outside the church.
Inside the church, they don't want to talk about it
because then they're going to get the label that they're
a sinner or that they're not really a Christian, and
then they have to call their whole faith into question.
And so most people that suffer from this suffer silently,
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which is why I think it took until the two
thousands for people to realize that there were more of
us out there.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
If the church is making people feel as if they're
sinners or they've done something wrong and they haven't changed
their way of thinking for at least two thousand years
that we know of, is it maybe time that the
church reevaluate itself and bring its standards up to these
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modern times, start looking at the world as it really is,
not how it was, and knock off the control of
the people. I know that Jesus said, suffer little children
to come on to me for thine and will be
the kingdom of heaven. I know he said that, but
I'm sure that what we have done, and I'm talking
about society over the many years, is not what he
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was talking about.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
Yeah, it's one of kind of my pipe dreams Rob
that pastors and especially youth group pastors would get a
hold of my information. I'm not even saying get ahold
of my book, you guys. I'm not about Look, I'm
not Stephen King. I'm not going to get rich selling books.
I have hundreds of hours of information on my website
(45:53):
of podcasts I've done. You can get it for free.
But if parents and grandparents and school teachers and youth
group leaders and pastors don't understand what's happening, we're just
going to keep repeating this pattern. And I alluded earlier
Rob that the younger generations are getting a different version
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gen X and before these entities just wanted to keep
us in isolation and in silence and in fear. But
what they're doing with the younger generations is they're tantalizing
them with all of this dream world, simulations, reality shifting,
(46:38):
lucid dreaming, the mall world, all of these places that
they can go and explore and play video games all night.
It's like a video game structure, and they can they
can be whoever they want. They can be a superhero,
they can be Harry Potter, and they can have these
like three D, four D, five D real realistic dopamine
(47:02):
hitting fantasy worlds playing out and it's the ultimate form
of escapism. And you look at the kids because, like
I said, the targeted individuals are usually kids who are
going through trauma, who have a lot of rejection, a
lot of self loathing, self esteem issues, and so you're
going after that that generation, and you're offering them this
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fantasy world that they can escape to. And the kids
don't have the biblical foundation, or the life experience, or
the discernment to understand that what's super fun and games
for them in their youth do like they do for
all of us, eventually turn into sleep disorders and psychological, spiritual,
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mental and physical disorders and illnesses because this stuff all
comes with a price tag. Rob you don't go and
play around in the celestial playground and not get a
massive check for it later. They don't let you play
for free.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
How does one discern between mental illness and spiritual warfare?
Speaker 6 (48:13):
Then, that is an excellent question, and I will tell
you one of my hugest pet peeves. I'm actually seeing
it shift. I cannot stand when someone talks about a
sleep paralysis experience and they are automatically instantly labeled schizophrenic,
and then they're put on all sorts of heavy medication,
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which makes it worse because when you're going to bed
at night and you can't wake yourself up you're heavily sedated,
you're going to have an even more terrifying experience. And
a lot of those medications carry side effects that themselves
mimic schizophrenia. You've got people hearing voices and having suicidal ideations,
et cetera. But here's the deal. I recently put chat
(48:58):
GPT to the test, Rob, and I said, how are
sleep paralysis in schizophrenia linked? And so I expected the
official narrative and all the misinformation, and it actually spat
out at me that while there are some overlapping symptoms,
there is no relation between sleep paralysis and schizophrenia. In fact,
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only twelve percent of people who've been diagnosed schizophrenic report
ever having sleep paralysis. So I do see the narrative shifting.
But it's a great question, Rob, because the DSM five
the reason the DSM is getting and this is the
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kind of the Bible of mental illnesses, right, The DSM
continues to get larger and larger and larger, and now
all of a sudden. I'm not joking, Rob. About twelve
years ago they started trying to call grief a mental illness.
So if your mom, your spouse of fifty years dies
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and you feel grief, there's a mental illness there. So
it's getting out of hand. And I do think that
there is legitimate mental illness. There's legitimate traumatic brain injuries,
there's dissociation, there's d id there's trauma. But I think
that a lot of spiritual warfare, that these entities are
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hiding overt agendas behind an ever growing list of mental
illnesses that we can't even keep up with putting in
the books. And it does take discernment to tell the
difference between the two, which is why I wish that
the medical field and the spiritual field would stop being
so scared to share notes and hear the other side
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of the story, because you're each holding a puzzle piece, guys,
and you're never going to get the picture if you
don't put the pieces together.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Would you say that the rise of a cult entertainment
normal the spiritual warfare aspect of reality?
Speaker 6 (51:05):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. And it is just incredible how
overt the occult themes in movies and television and cartoons
are now, and not only is it sending the message
to our young kids that this is normal, it goes
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a step further. This stuff is cool. This stuff is cool,
and they're intrigued by it. I talk about this a lot.
I don't know if it's still trending, but a year
or so ago it was trending on TikTok where kids
were overdosing on benadryl because they wanted to see the
hat Man. And a lot of people were seeing the
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hat Man and they were you know, you know, getting
their their jollys off of that and getting to tell
their spine tingling stories and redd it gets to blow
up with all the stories. But what a lot lot
of people, children or adults don't understand is the Hitcher effect.
Whether you're going out in the woods to find a cryptid,
or you're you know, walking around in graveyards or Roswell
(52:10):
or Area fifty one, or you're taking benadryl to see
the hat Man. Once you get your titillating little experience
and you go home, you don't understand that these things,
if they so choose, can attach to you, and they
can also lay dormant for weeks, years, or decades, so
that when they come back to wreak the real havoc,
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you're never going to put two and two together. That Oh,
that was the Ouiji board I played with in high school.
That was the time I went into the woods and was,
you know, calling out for the cryptids. These things are
very clever. They've been at it for thousands of years.
They're smarter than we are. They're more clever, and a
lot of us are messing with these things because Hollywood
(52:55):
and social media makes it look harmless. They don't tell
you about the entire are iceberg lurking beneath the surface
of the water that you can't see when you summon
these things.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
It's used as a cash cow. Yeah, quick question for you,
because we've got about two minutes left. Are these demons?
Are they interdimensional? Do they come from another dimension? Are they?
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Do they sleep in our subconscious? Where? How do they?
How do they come to be?
Speaker 7 (53:36):
Like?
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Why does it take some of them so long? And
then others that that just terrorized children?
Speaker 6 (53:43):
MM I can answer this in two minutes. I believe
that there is a vast hierarchy of of these things.
Demons are the riff raft they are the bottom of
the barrel. They're the janitors of the organization. Because uh,
the the historical theological religious take on a demon. The
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definition is they're the disembodied spirits of the nepheline. So
these are the giants that died in Noah's flood, and
so the bodies died, but the spirits remained immortal because
their fathers were the watchers. And so the demons are
the riff raft because they're not immortal. They were created
and they have human DNA. So the real demons, the
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seraphs and the angels, they look down on these half
breeds that have corruptible human DNA in them. So those
are the least of our worries, and we have easy
authority over them. The higher up ones, I believe that
they're above the earth, on the earth, and under the earth,
and that they're all operative and compartmentalized. And I do think.
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I don't think the ones in the abyss can can
get out, but I believe that the ones in the
heavenly places and on the Earth are innerdimensional and they
can travel betwixt them.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Vicky, you and I have to say so long for tonight,
but please come back so we still have so much
to talk, but I want to thank you so much
for everything you do. Thank you for being here tonight.
Continued success and in case I don't have the pleasure
and privilege of speaking to you before the end of
the year, to you yours, a very merry Christmas and
the most wonderful, safe and blessed New Year. Take care
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of yourselfag me. Vicky Joy Anderson has been my guest
this hour ex O Nation. She is the author of
They Only Come Out at Night and her website is
Vickyjoy Anderson dot com. I'll be back on the other
side of this break, so whatever you.
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and shed light onto the mysterious forces that visit us
when the world goes dark. Vicky, welcome back to the
extu and A was great having you with us. How
are you, my friend?
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Thank you Rob, thank you for that beautiful intro, and
thank you for having me back.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's always a pleasure having you and I must say
that sleep paralysis is a topic that people really don't
like to talk about it these days, and yeah, it's crazy.
How did you get involved in the study and research
of sleep paralysis? Let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
Yeah, well, I got entangled in it unintentionally, as in
that it was something that I suffered from from about
three years old up until about forty and I think
for the longest time I just sort of pretended it
was nightmares due to stress and trauma, and I think
I knew it was something more, but it's just easier
(03:57):
to lie to ourselves. You know, when you hear the
bump in the night, you say it's the cat, even
if you don't have one. You just don't really want
to delve deeper. And so it was not really anything
I ever paid much attention to, to tell you the truth,
It was just such a part of life. It was like,
there we go again. And it wasn't until I had
a resurgence of it when I turned forty that I
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finally decided I kind of want to figure out what
this is. And when I discovered that this was something
that was not just happening to me, but in fact
happening to thousands of people. You know, every sex, every
culture every period of time. This goes all the way
back documented into like the sixteenth century, though it occurred
(04:45):
before because there's whispers of it in the scripture. But
I decided, just for my own curiosity's sake, that I
wanted to know what it was and why it was
targeting me and if there was an mo or all
the people being targeted, do we have something in common?
Rob the people that I write to and that I
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talk to. Everybody's had this maybe once or twice, a
little bit of jet lag, or maybe a divorce or
a stressful time in their life. I'm primarily talking about
the people where this started around three to five years
old and it has chronically followed them for decades. That's
the group that I am studying and that I am researching,
(05:26):
helping people that are being traumatized by this to figure
out what doors were open and how can we close
them and how can we overcome this because it's something
that over time affects someone mentally, emotionally, psychologically, physically, and spiritually.
It's a very draining thing to be having happened to you.
(05:47):
And there's a lot of people out there who want
help and psychology, medicine and the priesthood. They're all trying
their best, but they're compartmentalized, and they all have little
bits of the story, and none of them are ultimately
very helpful.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
All right, let's let our listeners know what sleep paralysis is.
How would you describe it?
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Yeah, that's always a great place to start, rob because physiologically,
there is nothing wrong, weird, supernatural, or paranormal about being
paralyzed during certain phases of sleep. And that's why I
personally think that the phrase sleep paralysis was really poorly
chosen because it inadvertently becomes a way to gaslight people
(06:34):
who do suffer from it, as as if to accuse
these people of being so stupid that they don't understand
that during RAM cycles you're naturally paralyzed. And the reason
why that happens is we would act out our dreams,
and so when that paralytic function malfunctions, that's when we
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have sleepwalkers and bedwetters that that paralytic function is breaking down.
So there's nothing weird at all about being paralyzed during
deep sleep and RAM phases. What we're really talking about
here when we say sleep paralysis is we're talking about
people who have an episode or an attack of some
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kind during those phases of sleep when they're paralyzed, and
these people often report seeing entities or sensing entities in
their room, being pinned down, held down, choked, they can't breathe,
extreme levels of terror. It runs the gamut. Rob there's
no real way to summarize everyone's experience because there's outliers.
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And interestingly, I'm finding that the younger generations are having
a much different experience. Where the sleep paralysis entities caught
Gen X and baby boomers with vinegar, they are catching
the younger generations with the sugar.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
My goodness. When during your research, have you found out
that the very first reports or historical accounts of sleep
paralysis actually were brought to the attention of the masses.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
So there is a medical journal I believe it was
from the Netherlands, and it goes back to the sixteenth century,
and that was the first allegedly the first documented in
a medical journal instance, but I believe it goes way
way back before documented history, back into oral history. There's
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whispers of it in the Bible, Job four being the
most prominent example, where Eleafhaz, one of Job's buddies, who
is there giving him unhelpful counsel as he suffers. The
Elafhaz is trying to build up a case for why
his wisdom that's about to come out of his mouth
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cannot be argued with. And it's kind of the antiquated
equivalent of when you know, these Christians come up to
you and say, I have a word from the Lord
for you, how do you argue with that? Right? And
so what he says is that he was, you know,
in his bed at night and he couldn't move, and
a figure, a spirit passed before him and spoke. And
(09:18):
so he's basically telling Job because something from the celestial
plane visited me at night, the words that were spoken
to be must be wisdom, So you must listen interestingly.
By the end of the Book of Job, Job is
offering sacrifices and praying on behalf of Elephas because of
the unsoundness of his alleged wisdom. But at least there
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we get a that's probably the most significant example in
scripture of sleep paralysis. And I love the fact that
it shows up in the Book of Job. Because the
books of the Bible aren't in our English Bible. They
aren't listed chronologically, and job is often believed by scholars
and historians to be the oldest book in the Bible,
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so it goes all the way literally to the beginning
of time.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
How does your Christian faith shape the lens through which
you explore the phenomenon.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Yeah, that's a great question, and the answer might surprise
people inside and outside of the faith. Now, when I
was young, when I was a little girl, and I
was going to Sunday school every Sunday, and I didn't
have a concept of anything deep or theological. I just,
you know, had a three four, five six year old understanding.
For some reason, whenever I would have these dreams, I
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recognized that they were not ordinary dreams, and I would
I would instinctively, in my mind believe that it had
something to do with the Devil, because I didn't have
a concept of demons back then. I just thought everything
was either Jesus or the Devil. And so when I
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was having dreams where I could see my bedroom and
I felt like I was awake and I was I
was specifically getting disembodied voices in my head. The messages were,
We're going to drag you to hell. Jesus doesn't love you, your
parents can't hear you, they won't save you even if
they could. I mean, they were very spiritual messaging. But
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I do recognize and I can hear the skeptics in
my head, and I will agree that the way we are,
the way that we believe, our worldview and our culture
is going to significantly influence how we interpret these events.
So the way an atheist versus a Catholic is going
to interpret this, the way an American versus someone from
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the Philippines or Africa or Russia, it's all going to
be different. We're going to have different names for this,
different interpretations. And so I fully realize that my culture
and my my Christian worldview is obviously going to influence
how I interpret these events. But as I've gotten older
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and I've delved deeper, and I've now had the opportunity
and the pleasure to talk to hundreds of people all
over the world who have told me about their experiences,
what I'm finding that's really interesting, Rob Because I've talked
to Muslims, I've talked to atheists, Agnostics, Catholics, Christians. It
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runs the gamut. And I will tell you that people
instinctively as they're explaining to me their story and they're
getting triggered, and you can tell that they're getting anxious
as they're rehashing the story. No matter what your worldview,
or your religion, or your lack thereof, people always use
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the same vocabulary, even if it doesn't match their worldview
or their culture. You have got everyone instinctively using the
world's evil hell and demons.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Vicky, stand by you and I have to take a break.
X O Nation. Our guest this hour is Vicky Joy Anderson.
She's the author of The Only Come Out at Night
and visit her website www dot Vicky joy Anderson dot com.
Are you a believer or are you a skeptic? Send
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W dot com. Sleep paralysis. I remember having it once
and as I started to wake up, I was paralyzed
and I kind of chuckled to myself and I said
to myself, Wow, this is cool. I know what's happening.
Come on, kick in kicking, where's that hormone that's going
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to release me from this? And I worked my way
out of it, but it still is a frightful experience
when you wake up and you just can't move. Not
only has there been the mystery surrounding sleep prolyssies, but
there's a lot of people who associate it with demons,
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and there are also people who associate it with alien abductions.
Now my question to you is, as a researcher, is
it possible that the alien abduction and the demonic experience
may be one and the same.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Yeah, this is a great question, rob And this was
something that my mind got changed as I researched because
I was sort of educated the way everyone is that
you don't get your chocolate in my peanut butter. That
sort of a thing. Because uphology has been taken seriously.
There's serious researchers out there. They don't want all this
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little sleep prowless is riff raff nonsense getting mixed in
with their serious research, and so I always respected that
boundary and determined that, yeah, they're probably nothing alike. However,
in the last four years of doing hundreds and hundreds
of counseling sessions with people who have had sleep paralysis,
I have numerous UFO experiencers calling me and one of
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them told me, and this was eye opening to me
because I did not realize this, and she told me,
not everyone who has sleep paralysis has had a UFO
abduction experience, but everyone who has had a UFO abduction experience,
that's sleep paralysis. And that was really the point where
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my research really shifted and I started grafting the UFO
research into mind because prior to that I didn't think
that they were related. And so we know that with
UFO abductions, people can experience them well wide away. You know,
they're driving down the road, they're in the proverbial cornfield,
things like that. But there is a sleep paralysis version
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where instead of the shadow man or the red glowing
eyes or the old Hag, the three alien grays show
up at the end of the bed. That's sort of
a scenario. The instances are different. Classic sleep paralysis is
usually shrouded in darkness. Your room is dark, it's darker
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than dark. You a lot of times are going to
see the entities at the bedroom door. If you have
an out of body experience, you're probably going to be
pulled toward the ceiling. With the UFO variety, you've got
the alien grays instead of the shadow people. Instead of darkness,
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you have a room flooded with light. And during the
outer body phase, if you get to that phase, you're
being pulled typically toward a window rather than the ceiling.
Another thing that I found, And of course, rob these
are just statistics. There's always outliers, there's always people that
don't fit into these categories. But for the for the
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for the most part, the people that have had sleep paralysis,
chronic sleep paralysis their entire life, there's some type of
childhood trauma. With the UFO version, the trauma is usually
very specific to molestation or sexual abuse.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
How would that relate to in an alien abduction scenario?
What is the what is the the mechanism that would
bring a child molestation to manifest itself as an alien abduction?
Is this the way the child gets themselves out of
their body away from the experience.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Yeah, it's a great question. And this is the part
you know you had alluded earlier in the show. This
is why people, even in today's day and age, where
people get on Facebook or television and share all their deepest,
darkest secrets, there's really no such thing as taboo anymore.
That's right, But This is the part that people are
very reticent to talk about. And again, there are outliers,
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and I'm not talking about people that just had sleep
proalysis once or twice during a stressful situation. I'm talking
about the people that have had chronic targeted harassment over
their whole life.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
How does it relate to harassment?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Well, because when your sleep is getting interrupted night after
night after night, and you're seeing entities in your room
and it's affecting your sleep, and it's creating over time
narcolepsy and sleep disorders, it's creating mental illnesses, it's creating
physical illnesses. They're now doing secular scientific studies that some
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eighty five percent of UFO experiencers, by the time they
reach their forties have several autoimmune diseases. There's links to
the decline of the mental, emotional, psychological, spiritual, and physical health.
But the piece that nobody wants to talk about, rob
is that a lot of people that have had chronic
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sleep paralysis of the UFO or the shadow Man variety,
these experiences are sexual.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Let's I would imagine. I would imagine that the vast
majority of these experiences happened at nighttime.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Am I correct, correct, Though despite the title of my book,
they only come out at night. They can come out
any time you are in a state of utter exhaustion,
an RM state, or an altered state of consciousness. So
a lot of time, the worst sleep paralysis episodes are
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when people take those mid afternoon naps, or they're jet lagged,
or extreme amounts of stress, or in meditative states. A
lot of new agers, they won't talk about this openly,
but when you're in those deep meditative states, or you're
in those binaural frequency inducing altered states, the veil is
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thin and these things can happen. So it does not
have to be at night. Is just the most convenient
time because people are phasing in and out of altered
states of consciousness all throughout the night.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Why I was asking that as I was wondering how
it relates to people who do shift work. If a
person who does three shifts, for example, eight to eight
to four, four to eight and then eight eight until whatever,
how does this affect them? Are they more susceptible to
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sleep paralysis because their bodies clock seems to be altered
all the time. And I know from personal experience when
I was on the police force that for the longest
while when you would work those three shifts, your body
it was hard on your body. Finally, I said, no,
I just want to work night patrol so I could
get some semblance of scheduling so that my body could
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react better and I would feel better. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Yeah, So when.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
You've got people like the residents who work in hospitals,
nurses who work in hospitals, who work with the tremendous
shifts that they work, are they more susceptible as well
as the people who do work shift work? Are they
more susceptible? And is there any study to correlate that
with the evidence that you've collected over the years.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Absolutely. This is a great question, and in my attempt
to answer that, I stumbled into some really fascinating research.
What's fascinating about this is we're told, you know, the
health standard is go to bed at sunset, or go
to bed, you know, before ten o'clock. You definitely want
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to be asleep between ten and midnight, and all the
defragging and the brain happens, and your gallbladder is not
going to digest food if you don't fall asleep by
this hour. And we're told that this circadian rhythm of
eight hours of uninterrupted sleep during these certain hours is
absolutely essential to quality health. But what's fascinating rob is
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historically that was not the sleeping pattern. And if you
go into antiquity and you read about by phasic sleep,
it's also called segmented sleep. There's actually a whole bunch
of different names for it. When you read old literature
or you watch period piece movies that take place during
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certain time periods, they'll say first sleep and second sleep.
That's another word for it. Interestingly, we all know about
the witching hour, which is midnight to three am, and
so what's interesting is in many many cultures throughout time,
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people would go to bed at sundown, they would sleep
three to four hours. They would get up and they
would stay up for three or four hours, and then
they would go back to bed and sleep the remaining
three to four hours. Because we know from sundown to
sun up there's twelve hours. Nobody sleeps twelve hours. We're
not going to go to bed when the sun goes
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down and then get up when it comes up. We
don't sleep twelve hours. And so the people of antiquity
were still sleeping eight hours, but they had a four
hour window in between where they would get up, and
when you read about it, some say they did housework,
they did cooking, they did baking, they did some of
the things that were too hot to do. During the day,
they would socialize, they would have family time, they would
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play games, they would visit neighbors. But if you get
into the deep lore in the religious history, what people
were doing during that witching hour was praying and they
were evaluating their dreams. And what we know is a
lot of us, especially as we get older, we tend
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to not remember as many of our dreams as we
did when we were young, or we only remember the
dream that we had as we were waking, and even
then once we're up and we've been up about an hour,
we even forget that. And so what these people would
do is they would get up in the middle of
the night where all of those dream memories were still fresh,
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and they would evaluate them and they would dig through
them for symbols and meanings or messages from the heavenlys
or or they would be praying to protect the family
from from the gods and the demons, and depending on
the mythology of the culture, and so we've fallen out
of practice with that. But I do wonder if maybe
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the ancients knew something that we didn't know. I do
a lot of research on spiritual warfare, and a lot
of people, especially people in the church, have really not
taken spiritual warfare seriously anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Let's talk about spiritual warfare when we come back from
this break. Explanation. Vicky Joy Anderson is our guest. Your
website is Vickyjoy Anderson dot com, and she's the author
of They Only come out at night like somebody's grandmother's teeth.
I guess we'll be back after this break. Don't go away.
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Speaker 3 (29:04):
Welcome back to one. Vicky joy Anderson is my very
special guest. We're talking about sleep paralysis, demons, extraterrestrial abductions
and so on. And if you'd like to find out
more about Vicky, if you'd like to find out where
you can get a copy of her book, they only
come out at night, visit her website at vickyjoy Anderson
dot com. We started talking about spiritual warfare just before
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this last break. Tell me more about that because that
sounds like it's very interesting. And is this the connection
between a fight between good and evil? Does that come
into the mix anywhere?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
It's the ultimate Biblical star wars, that the cosmic seed
war that goes back to Genesis three fifteen, where after
the fall, God said to Eve and Adam and the serpent,
that there will be between your seed, speaking to Eve
and the seed of this serpent. And the kind of
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The primo facto Bible verse on spiritual warfare is Ephesians
six twelve. This is the Armor of God section where
we're told to put on the armor of God and
it says that our battle is not against flesh and blood.
In other words, it's not against one another, you know,
it's against these cosmic forces. And depending on your translation,
it'll say fallen angels or Arkhans, principalities, powers, spiritual forces
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of wickedness, et cetera, et cetera. And what a lot
of Christians don't understand. And it's probably not their fault,
because it's really fallen out of vogue to preach about
the devil or hell or demons or spiritual warfare in
church in our generation. But believe it or not, my research,
in my ministry, I get the most pushback and the
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most flak from Christians. You think it would be coming
from the New Agers or the ocultists, or the agnostics
or the atheists, and I speak to all of them
on a regular basis, and I don't get any pushback
like I get from my brothers and sisters in Christ.
And what I get is, if you are really a
Christian sleep paralysis, none of this stuff could happen to
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you because Jesus died and he rose from the dead,
and he took care of all this. So if you're
being attacked like this, you have some sort of an
open door. There's something you did wrong. You're not really
a Christian, et cetera, et cetera. But here's the deal,
and this is what a lot of people don't realize.
Rob that verse Ephesian six twelve, where we're being warned
as believers to be sober minded and vigilant because there's
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a war going on and we're cannon fodder in the
middle of it, and we have enemies in these heavenly places.
That was written somewhere between thirty to fifty years after
Jesus rose from the dead. Paul wrote that in Ephesians,
and so what in the world are people like Peter
and Paul going on and on in the New Testament
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about being sober minded and vigilant. Your adversary is like
a prowling lion seeking someone to devour, and to be
weary of these adversaries in the heavenly places. Why are
they scaring us needlessly? If that all got taken care
of and we got our heads buried in the sand,
thinking that if we're good Christians and we go to church,
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that you know we're safe. But the fact of the
matter is if you're on if you've picked a side
in a war and you're deemed by the enemy as
the enemy, you're going to be even more targeted for
spiritual warfare. He doesn't go after his own team. So
it's always sort of baffled me a little bit that
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Jesus dying on the cross somehow means we don't ever
have to break a nail ever again, and there's no
reason to be vigilant.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It sounds rather manipulative that all these what Paul was
writing about, and how they took the message of sleep
paralysis and threw in their own demonic a way of
controlling people. And I often wonder if how the Bible
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would be written if all the events that are written
about in the Bible happened today, how different would it be.
For example, Paul and the others of the Bible had
no concept of neurology. They had no concept of how
the body processes information. And maybe this is how they
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best explained it. But couldn't they have done it in
a nicer way?
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Exactly right? Yeah, you know so much of what we're
dealing with here. This is something I learned the hard way, Rob,
and I kind of had this epiphany in my mid forties.
I had spent my entire life devoutly going to church,
you know. And when I was a kid, we were
the Sunday Morning, Sunday School, Sunday Night, Wednesday Night pioneer girls.
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You know, we were a gung ho and you know,
that was my entire life. I ended up going to
a Bible college, four years of seminary level classes. I
got a master's certification in Biblical demonology. I'm working on
a doctorate now in the same topics. And what I've
come to find out, rob is, even though I've invested
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half a century in studying the Bible, all we're really
learning is what modern people's interpretations of the scripture is.
And we are so divorced from the context, the culture,
the history, the language, and the geography of the original
texts that we can be light years off in some
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cases of what that Scripture is really saying. And if
Moses or Elijah or Paul or John came and sat
in the most genuine Bible thumping devout church today, I
don't know if they would even understand that we were
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reading out of the books that they wrote. We're just
so separated. And it doesn't mean we can't find the
truth or that it's all a lie. It means that
you can take a rake in your yard and you
can rake stuff, but all you're going to get is
a bag of moldy leaves. And if you really want
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buried treasure, you want pearls, and you want wealth, well
you've got to go to the deepest, darkest, coldest, most
dangerous part of the ocean. You got to risk your
life to find pearls. And so what do you want
moldi leaves or do you want the pearl? And I
find that, unfortunately, the Christian Church has turned into a
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bunch of people with rakes, and they're not digging deep enough.
And that's why Christianity is falling so short of what
people need, and why so many Christians are depressed and
anxious because they are still getting this baby formula and
they're not willing or able to plummet the depths where
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the treasure chests are.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
When it comes to the demons that are causing and
sleep paralysis, according to some people, are they always the
same demons? Is there one specific demon that is the
master of ceremonies for all the little demons that are
running around?
Speaker 7 (36:50):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Rob, There is so much conjecture out there about the
hierarchy of demons and the higher archy of angels and
the Bible, at least the version we have of it now.
Have books been removed and hidden from us, probably would
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more of those gaps be filled and more of those
questions be answered if we had access to everything that's
been hidden, probably, But the version we have of it
now really doesn't go into extreme detail about the hierarchy.
And I know some people that say, if you have
a if you've had sleep proalysis your whole life, it's
the same demon every time. But I don't know where
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they get that from. I don't know what their source
is for that. The one thing that might be true
is there are cases, and we're talking now about high
level occult and free Masonic rituals where we have these
Bride of Satan ceremonies where children at the age of
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eight are you know, they put on their red dresses
and given over to some sort of demonic entity in
these rituals, and in those cases when you're talking about
a spirit spouse, that very well could be one entity
that is assigned to you. But every single time I
had sleep proalysis over the course of my life, was
the entity coming to my room the same one every time.
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I don't know the closest we get to that, But again,
there's not tons of information in the scripture, and that
is the familiars. I do think that there are familiar spirits,
and so there are spirits that have had access to
your entire bloodline, so they knew your grandpa and your
great grandma and your great great grandma, and they know
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more about your family line and your history than you do.
And in that sense, I think that the familiars are
assigned to us. But I'm not necessarily certain that it's
the familiars that are always the ones showing up in
the bedroom doing the scary stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Right. I can understand that an adult might have a
little bit of a better understanding of what is happening,
But God bless the children. How do they process what
they go through? How do they process the sleep paralysis?
And I understand that a child who has sleep paralysis
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also has a problem with nightmares. How do they cope?
How did you cope?
Speaker 6 (39:26):
So I don't know so much about the younger generations, Rob,
but I'm gen X and so I was raised by
baby boomers, right, and so I just I had so
much Like, first of all, I had an extremely high functioning,
loving family. My parents were married for forty seven years.
They got married at nineteen, and there was never any
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affairs or alcohol or anything like that. It was very
leave it to beaver. But I had a lot of
chaos in my life because I was having surgeries every
year for the fifteen years of my life, and so
it was constant doctor's appointments and needles and shots and
medications and being bullied at school and going to school
with stitches still on my face. And so I had
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a lot of undiagnosed anxiety and depression and rejection and
trauma because back in the seventies, people didn't talk about that,
you know, And so I don't think it was ever diagnosed,
and I don't even know that I was aware of it.
And so I was a high functioning, very resilient kid.
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I was an overcomer, and so I just did those
surgeries at like a champ, and I was like, hey,
I did it, man. And so it really wasn't until
I was forty and my mom passed away, which triggered
a tremendous amount of grief that all of a sudden,
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the whole house of cards came down and I realized
that I had four decades of night mares, astral abductions
and sleep paralysis that I had never taken seriously, never evaluated,
and never done anything about. And so I've been on
a quest for the last thirteen years to really identify
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trauma and rejection and work on anxiety and healing. You
can talk all day long, rob about praying and fasting
and going to church or getting an exorcist or deliverance
or casting demons out. But if you do all of
that and you do not face the demons that are
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your trauma, You're not ever going to get over this.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Vicky standbye. We've got to take our final break exhanation.
Vicky Joy Anderson is our guest. She's the author of
They Only Come Out at Night, and her website is
Vickyjoyanderson dot com.
Speaker 7 (41:49):
Talkaway, We'll be right backs.
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Carriage bells echo.
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Through the night, candles glowing in windows wide and welcoming
hearts by the fire side. Snowflakes dance. Some queen streets
glow past the clock, where thenryes.
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Flow after drifts.
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Through winters hush. In this town, we pull.
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To truck, It's Christmas Save All Niagaron Lang, Where Times Dasty,
The Lads on Say.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Stars Vicky joy Anderson is our guest and Vicky, thank
you so much for coming on the show. It's always
a great pleasure.
Speaker 7 (43:11):
Talking to you.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
And for the people who may not have the opportunity
of talking to you like we do, I'm sure they'd
like me to say one thing to you. Thank you
for being there, thank you for helping them. And I'm
sure because you do such a great service by helping
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these people understand. And I wonder how many people listening
have thought that they're the only people that this happens to,
and it's through people like yourself that are able to
help them. And what's the number one question you get asked?
And when somebody finds out what you do and that
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they're not alone with this old hag syndrome, the sleep proalysis,
what do they say to you?
Speaker 6 (44:02):
This is really sad, rob it breaks my heart. The
number one consistent first question I get is am I crazy?
Speaker 7 (44:13):
My lord?
Speaker 6 (44:15):
Because it's what they've been told their whole life, And
it's why most people won't speak about this, because they're
afraid of getting that label, and that's outside the church.
Inside the church, they don't want to talk about it
because then they're going to get the label that they're
a sinner or that they're not really a Christian, and
then they have to call their whole faith into question.
And so most people that suffer from this suffer silently,
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which is why I think it took until the two
thousands for people to realize that there were more of
us out there.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
If the church is making people feel as if they're
sinners or they've done something wrong and they haven't changed
their way of thinking for at least two thousand years
that we know of, is it maybe time that the
church reevaluate itself and bring its standards up to these
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modern times, start looking at the world as it really is,
not how it was, and knock off the control of
the people. I know that Jesus said, suffer little children
to come on to me for thine and will be
the kingdom of heaven. I know he said that, but
I'm sure that what we have done, and I'm talking
about society over the many years, is not what he
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was talking about.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
Yeah, it's one of kind of my pipe dreams Rob
that pastors and especially youth group pastors would get a
hold of my information. I'm not even saying get ahold
of my book, you guys. I'm not about Look, I'm
not Stephen King. I'm not going to get rich selling books.
I have hundreds of hours of information on my website
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of podcasts I've done. You can get it for free.
But if parents and grandparents and school teachers and youth
group leaders and pastors don't understand what's happening, we're just
going to keep repeating this pattern. And I alluded earlier
Rob that the younger generations are getting a different version
(46:14):
gen X and before these entities just wanted to keep
us in isolation and in silence and in fear. But
what they're doing with the younger generations is they're tantalizing
them with all of this dream world, simulations, reality shifting,
(46:38):
lucid dreaming, the mall world, all of these places that
they can go and explore and play video games all night.
It's like a video game structure, and they can they
can be whoever they want. They can be a superhero,
they can be Harry Potter, and they can have these
like three D, four D, five D real realistic dopamine
(47:02):
hitting fantasy worlds playing out and it's the ultimate form
of escapism. And you look at the kids because, like
I said, the targeted individuals are usually kids who are
going through trauma, who have a lot of rejection, a
lot of self loathing, self esteem issues, and so you're
going after that that generation, and you're offering them this
(47:27):
fantasy world that they can escape to. And the kids
don't have the biblical foundation, or the life experience, or
the discernment to understand that what's super fun and games
for them in their youth do like they do for
all of us, eventually turn into sleep disorders and psychological, spiritual,
(47:49):
mental and physical disorders and illnesses because this stuff all
comes with a price tag. Rob you don't go and
play around in the celestial playground and not get a
massive check for it later. They don't let you play
for free.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
How does one discern between mental illness and spiritual warfare?
Speaker 6 (48:13):
Then, that is an excellent question, and I will tell
you one of my hugest pet peeves. I'm actually seeing
it shift. I cannot stand when someone talks about a
sleep paralysis experience and they are automatically instantly labeled schizophrenic,
and then they're put on all sorts of heavy medication,
(48:35):
which makes it worse because when you're going to bed
at night and you can't wake yourself up you're heavily sedated,
you're going to have an even more terrifying experience. And
a lot of those medications carry side effects that themselves
mimic schizophrenia. You've got people hearing voices and having suicidal ideations,
et cetera. But here's the deal. I recently put chat
(48:58):
GPT to the test, Rob, and I said, how are
sleep paralysis in schizophrenia linked? And so I expected the
official narrative and all the misinformation, and it actually spat
out at me that while there are some overlapping symptoms,
there is no relation between sleep paralysis and schizophrenia. In fact,
(49:21):
only twelve percent of people who've been diagnosed schizophrenic report
ever having sleep paralysis. So I do see the narrative shifting.
But it's a great question, Rob, because the DSM five
the reason the DSM is getting and this is the
(49:43):
kind of the Bible of mental illnesses, right, The DSM
continues to get larger and larger and larger, and now
all of a sudden. I'm not joking, Rob. About twelve
years ago they started trying to call grief a mental illness.
So if your mom, your spouse of fifty years dies
(50:04):
and you feel grief, there's a mental illness there. So
it's getting out of hand. And I do think that
there is legitimate mental illness. There's legitimate traumatic brain injuries,
there's dissociation, there's d id there's trauma. But I think
that a lot of spiritual warfare, that these entities are
(50:25):
hiding overt agendas behind an ever growing list of mental
illnesses that we can't even keep up with putting in
the books. And it does take discernment to tell the
difference between the two, which is why I wish that
the medical field and the spiritual field would stop being
so scared to share notes and hear the other side
(50:47):
of the story, because you're each holding a puzzle piece, guys,
and you're never going to get the picture if you
don't put the pieces together.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Would you say that the rise of a cult entertainment
normal the spiritual warfare aspect of reality?
Speaker 6 (51:05):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. And it is just incredible how
overt the occult themes in movies and television and cartoons
are now, and not only is it sending the message
to our young kids that this is normal, it goes
(51:27):
a step further. This stuff is cool. This stuff is cool,
and they're intrigued by it. I talk about this a lot.
I don't know if it's still trending, but a year
or so ago it was trending on TikTok where kids
were overdosing on benadryl because they wanted to see the
hat Man. And a lot of people were seeing the
(51:49):
hat Man and they were you know, you know, getting
their their jollys off of that and getting to tell
their spine tingling stories and redd it gets to blow
up with all the stories. But what a lot lot
of people, children or adults don't understand is the Hitcher effect.
Whether you're going out in the woods to find a cryptid,
or you're you know, walking around in graveyards or Roswell
(52:10):
or Area fifty one, or you're taking benadryl to see
the hat Man. Once you get your titillating little experience
and you go home, you don't understand that these things,
if they so choose, can attach to you, and they
can also lay dormant for weeks, years, or decades, so
that when they come back to wreak the real havoc,
(52:32):
you're never going to put two and two together. That Oh,
that was the Ouiji board I played with in high school.
That was the time I went into the woods and was,
you know, calling out for the cryptids. These things are
very clever. They've been at it for thousands of years.
They're smarter than we are. They're more clever, and a
lot of us are messing with these things because Hollywood
(52:55):
and social media makes it look harmless. They don't tell
you about the entire are iceberg lurking beneath the surface
of the water that you can't see when you summon
these things.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
It's used as a cash cow. Yeah, quick question for you,
because we've got about two minutes left. Are these demons?
Are they interdimensional? Do they come from another dimension? Are they?
(53:28):
Do they sleep in our subconscious? Where? How do they?
How do they come to be?
Speaker 7 (53:36):
Like?
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Why does it take some of them so long? And
then others that that just terrorized children?
Speaker 6 (53:43):
MM I can answer this in two minutes. I believe
that there is a vast hierarchy of of these things.
Demons are the riff raft they are the bottom of
the barrel. They're the janitors of the organization. Because uh,
the the historical theological religious take on a demon. The
(54:04):
definition is they're the disembodied spirits of the nepheline. So
these are the giants that died in Noah's flood, and
so the bodies died, but the spirits remained immortal because
their fathers were the watchers. And so the demons are
the riff raft because they're not immortal. They were created
and they have human DNA. So the real demons, the
(54:25):
seraphs and the angels, they look down on these half
breeds that have corruptible human DNA in them. So those
are the least of our worries, and we have easy
authority over them. The higher up ones, I believe that
they're above the earth, on the earth, and under the earth,
and that they're all operative and compartmentalized. And I do think.
(54:49):
I don't think the ones in the abyss can can
get out, but I believe that the ones in the
heavenly places and on the Earth are innerdimensional and they
can travel betwixt them.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Vicky, you and I have to say so long for tonight,
but please come back so we still have so much
to talk, but I want to thank you so much
for everything you do. Thank you for being here tonight.
Continued success and in case I don't have the pleasure
and privilege of speaking to you before the end of
the year, to you yours, a very merry Christmas and
the most wonderful, safe and blessed New Year. Take care
(55:26):
of yourselfag me. Vicky Joy Anderson has been my guest
this hour ex O Nation. She is the author of
They Only Come Out at Night and her website is
Vickyjoy Anderson dot com. I'll be back on the other
side of this break, so whatever you.
Speaker 7 (55:40):
Do, don't go away where
Speaker 1 (55:50):
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