Ep. 114-Alison (Slowdive)

Louie, Ryan & Al party it up with the icons of shoegaze as we dive to the music video for Slowdive’s “Alison.”

Episode Transcript

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Okay, hello, and welcome toepisode one, one four, one

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hundred and fourteen of Throwback Music Videoreview Podcasts, and tonight we will be
reviewing Alison by Slow Dive. Alisonis a nineteen ninety two song by English
rock band Slow Dive from the albumSUDLACKI, released on June nineteen ninety three
by Creation Records. On its initialrelease, Sudlocky peaked at number fifty one

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on the UK Albums Chart and wasgreeted with tepid reviews from critics. It
has since received retrospective critical acclaim andhas been hailed as a classic in the
shoegaze genre. The music video forAlison was directed by Mike Mason and currently
has three million views on YouTube.So, guys, what is your history

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with Alison by Slow Dive. Let'sstart with you el you know, you
know Slow Dive were Oh yeah,do you know about them beginning with me
no very minimal. I first heardof Slow Dive through one of those local
rags, you know, yeah,and they were there's local zines you can
get for free at a record store. And I thought like, oh,

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slow Dive, what an interesting namefor a band that looked very somber because
they used basically the promo photos forSuvlaki on this one. And I was
like, you know, and ofcourse you're as a man who was like
growing hormones, you you're immediately hypnotizedby Ragel goswell, of course. And
I'm like, wow, okay,like so it seems like a really cool
band, and then that was myfirst exposure room. I never really heard
Souvlaki until like the mid nineties,like late nineties, and then I heard

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their cover of Some Velvet Morning,which was I thought was a phenomenon cover.
It's looking great, yeah, andthen that was like, oh my
god, Like, you know,I know shoe slow Dive, I know
shoegaze, but like hearing this islike if this is what shoegaz can sound
like, I'm like like I'm in, I'm in, so like, you
know, I kind of followed backon on the album of SUBLOCKI and I
thought that was a phenomenal album.And yeah, Allison was one of them,

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right, but basically very not asmuch as you guys for sure.
And then just recently, you're SlowDive pilled at the show? Yeah,
oh my god. Yeah, Louistook me to a Slowdive show, took
the real pill. Yeah, yeah, fell into it and that was it.
That was the pill for h indeedindeed, And yeah, Louis took
me to a Slow Dive show amonth ago and that was a great time.
Well, I'm very happy that they'reback because I never got a chance

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to see them. But same,same thing it was. I remember all
the time LA weeklies and you'd seeyou know, the the for sale right
the CD. I didn't realize.I was thought it came out in ninety
four, and I was I thought, well, the shoegaze scene was almost
dying at that point. You know, it came out in ninety three,
but some problems, it didn't getreleased here in the US until ninety four.
But I didn't really I guess agay. First of all, let's talk

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about the genre itself, right,I wasn't really familiar with it, but
playing in bands, right, youknow, we started playing in bands,
and we really started off with likepost punk kind of music and then a
lot of like some sixties stuff,right, And then I discovered like this
genre of like shoegaze along with likenoise noise pop, dream pop, and

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I fell in love, man,I just I love the like lou and
now we're talking earlier, I faredliberating, all right, yeah, because
there's there's a certain headspace that allowsme to like immerse myself into the sound
that I've never gotten any other typeof music. You know. It was
there was something about it that becauseyou know dream pop, right, I
mean, it took me to awhole new world, man. And this

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coincided with me kind of experimenting withwith just pot really nothing heavier than that,
and drinking as well, and allthat kind of combined, and I
fell in love with it. Manover heels. It's like everything I needed
to consume everything, you know.I wanted to know all the different bands
that came out of it, andI did, and it just kept fueling
my interest in the genre and thescene and the music that we were trying

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to play, but also the aestheticof it because I like the way they
looked. They looked very, verycasual, you know, but behind it
there was like something brewing that thatcould only be explained through the music that
they were playing. And you know, as a young impressionable want to be
artist, I guess you know,it's like, oh yeah, I kind
of want to emulate that. Butit was difficult because we didn't come up
in the same kind of environment,right that they Yeah, upbringing different history.

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Yeah, so you know, Ijust thought, I love the music.
I want to play the music asmuch as I could, as close
as to it as I can get. And to this day, man,
anything that when I hate those tags, when I hear those terms, I'm
like, oh, I'm into it, you know, I want to know
about it. It's very different nowthe stuff that's coming out, and I
like that that resurgence of this genrethat came I would probably say eighty eight

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through maybe like ninety four, ninetyfive even you know, and even it's
American counterparts, I still love allthat noise, dream shoegaze kind of music
and slow that was one of thetop bands that I was like really into
and I was just telling you guys, earlier, back in the internet cafe
days, I would just go therejust to download whatever I could because LimeWire

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and Napster, man, you couldn'tget anywhere else. I was a poor
kid, you know, poor college. What am I going to get the
money to buy like the you know, go to the record store and buy
it. There's no way, man, Even the CDs were expensive. And
then Warehouse, like I said beforepreviously, right, they they started selling
you stuff. I'm like, fuck, man, that was it tapes.
I found the Superlocky tape and Ikill that tape. Man, it was

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non stop playing it. And allof this, of course, is attached
to relationships that you've had during thattime period. So there's a lot of
that too, you know. Whereit's like So, I guess what I'm
starting to say is like you growup with it and it kind of really
stays with you and you have aspecial like place in your heart about the
music and the time of when itwas happening. But yeah, man,
slowda, I still love them.That music always takes me somewhere else.

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So you know, I kind ofalmost echo Ryan. I mean, same
thing getting into post punk and thengetting into like some sixty stuff and then
getting into like indie and then britpop. And then it's kind of weird because
it almost went indie britpop because Istarted I think I started listening to like
Pavement a little bit and was like, what the fuck is this? But

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then hit slowed over around the sametime. So it was always kind of
weird that I kind of got bripopa little bit before shoegaze, and so
I thought it was like around thesame time, because you know, kind
of wasn't, but it in myhead it was because I started listening to
it at the same time, butthey were already all done, Like shoegaze
was already dead. I had noidea about the whole Brit Yeah, this

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genre was already dead in the earlynineties. I didn't know. And that's
what's so exciting about it because it'sjust'sart, you know, and a lot
of the really good stuff is ona lot of the EPs that were really
hard to find, like even likelike my Bloody Valentine all their keys and
like xt Sey of Wine and alot of that those kind of early stuff.

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It's like really good and it's likewhat the fuck is this? But
that stuff really didn't come out.You had to find it used and it
was really hard to find use stilltoo. And we were like me and
Ryan were talking about the really earlyslow Dive EPs too, how they're just
kind of like mind blowing. Soit was really weird. Like when you
hear about like, oh, Britpopkilled shoegaze and all that stuff, and

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like let's say, like the Pitchforkdocumentary and they talk about that and you
read the articles and stuff, sothat kind of blew my mind. So
I didn't really learn about that untillike recently, maybe like five years ago
or something of that, you know. So I had no idea. I
thought it was like, oh,man, fucking shoegaze, and I thought
like the britpop kids probably loved shoegatestoo, you know, but it wasn't.
It was like they were like fuckshoegaze. It was really crazy.
Yeah. Yeah, it's basically justa footnote in musical history. Yeah,

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it's tiny, and a lot ofthe bands were most of the bands were
indie and they really didn't get thatbig. A lot of like really good
bands, especially the American bands,were just indie bands. They were ever
really big them never none of themever made it, you know, and
really other than Slow Dive Now,it was just like My Bloody Valentine pretty
much, you know, like everyeverybody else was kind of like smaller bands

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maybe Ride, but they kind ofchanged and kind of went with the britmup
a little bit. Yeah, theywere still young enough and they kind of
maneuvered into that to that way,you know. But you know, the
same thing. I love it everythingabout it. The aesthetics they look.
It's a lot of black and white. It's not unlike Joy of Its exactly
a lot of black, kind ofjust like regular people are like are like

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you see like the Velvet Underground,you know, the black and white photos
of them just wearing like T shirtsand like fucking sunglasses, you know.
And so yeah, it was justit was easy to play on guitar.
I was able to pick up someof the stuff, like it was easy
to digest and then do it yourself. So when we started playing in bands,
it was easy for us to kindof do it, and we're like,
well, we're like so amazed bythem already that we could kind of

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do something like it were it justkind of you can get close enough,
yeah, exactly, you know,what I mean, you can emily just
close enough and sound be part ofthat genre. You know, at least
be kind of considered. Yeah.Yeah, you'll be playing and then someone
will say, oh, because there'sshoe gees or what like, uh yeah,
I guess yeah, you know.But then in your in your in
your head, you're like, fuck, yeah, don't you think it's It's

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very exciting to get into something thatnot. That's the reason why I like
all these little micro genres because the'renot big, not big, and it's
like yeah, Beatles and Rolling Stones, we get it, you know,
like, yeah they're good, butI get it. It's just like hamburgers
and you know, it's just likeit's run off the mail. But you
know, when you when you discovercertain things are like definitely rock, but

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there's something else that they're doing,like in the context of pop music,
right, it's knowing. It's likeit sounds like machines and with the stuff
that you're you're not supposed to do. You know, they're going against the
grain. Yeah exactly. And it'slike counter culture, counterculture, subculture.
But even now, like I wouldnever wear like Beatles or a Rolling Stone
T shirt, you know, butI would wear a Slow Dive or a

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velvet underground shirt, you know,to go to the store. You know,
like it's just I don't know,I just would never do that.
It's weird. Why is that attractive? You know that? That's the question
I always asked. It's it's probablybecause it's not the mainstream. I mean,
you're not going to find uh,Crystal Head vodka with Slow Dives sponsoring
on it, unlike the Rolling Stonesdid. But also like I'm not And

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it's not that I don't like theBeatles or the Rolling Stones. It's just
just would never do it. It'sjust it's an alternative, and it's a
it's a niche. I guess thatpeople just but I guess love it.
Yeah, I guess like when Isee older people wearing it, I get
it. I'm like, oh,yeah, you grew up with that,
that's your you know, low dive. You know. You know what's really
at least the way I kind oflook at it is, you know,

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I like those kinds of things.I like that direction because it always leads
to something else, even deeper thanwhat you thought it already is. Yeah,
exactly, Oh there's something behind that. And then the more like there's
layers, right, and when youget deeper and deeper, whereas you know,
you go to Beatles and or ROMsand I feel bad to them saying
that don't they're amazing without them.There's so many bands without them, there's
no this. The point I'm makingis that I like rooting for the underdog

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and smaller guys, right, likethe totally indeed that they're just hey,
you know, we have we feellike we want to express ourselves in this
way and and it's not gonna getbig. It's never gonna get big.
But that's cool, man, youknow because you kind of it's relatable for
me, like, you know,my limited skills and playing and and and
background and music. But yet they'restill putting out ship that people will like

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and that has that will last andpeople like we'll go back to later,
you know. Yeah. And it'sa strange thing because we collected a lot
of CDs, we have records andstuff like that, but a lot of
the stuff that we got was usedare from thrift stores, right, and
so we were never really record shopguys, you know, So we were
never afford it, h visit,but I was and then I don't think

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any of us are really ever thosethose kind of like you know, when
you're talking to people about music andthey're and you're just dropping like names of
bat that nobody fucking knows, tomake yourself feel superior over some Oh you
don't know them, what's wrong withyou? You know? We're never like
that either. I almost kind oflike didn't talk about that because I really
didn't want them to know, becauseI wanted to be the only It's one

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of those things you want to keepto yourself because you feel like, you
know, you can only share itwith certain people, you know. Yeah,
And it's like I don't want totell you about it because you probably
won't like it because my taste probablyisn't your taste, you know, So
I just you just don't bring itup. And especially playing in like bands
and like Shoe Gaizy bands are indiesounding bands. It's pretty much all those
people are in other bands and likeyou know, and you know, they're

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always, oh, you know thisband, Oh you should, Oh you're
fucking stupid because you know that,you know, how could you know this?
And it's just like it's the JackBlack character and yeah, fidelity where
He's like, what echo the buddyman? Fuck that you got to listen
to Juice and Mary Chaine, youknow there were when he left, Like,
I was never one of those people, you know, But it's just

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weird that we got into this kindof stuff and didn't become those kind of
people. And which is a greatwhich is a great fucking thing. Which
is weird because then when I findpeople that are like that, that like
bands that I like, and I'mlike, you really don't like them.
You're just using it as to holdover somebody, to say that they're dumber
than you because they like they don'tknow them, you know, using them

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as like a boot so you couldstep on her necks or something. Yeah.
Yeah, oh my god, Especiallylike the shoegaze genre because it is
very obscure and there are a lotof really great bands that nobody knows about
and it's kind of sad because they'reso good. I remember the goth you
know, like the stick clubs likeStigmata and them, they would put shoegaze
as one of the categories. Shoegaze. Yeah, I remember, And the

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first time I really saw then theterm shoegaze was that, like I didn't
get it back then in the latenineties. Eventually, Yeah, I find
it's like bands like Slow that Iwould be those, And you're right,
it is attached to the stat scenetoo, because a lot of it is
very gauzy, like the you know, it's very airy. It's very airy,
right, there's a lot it's it'sreally packed, it's dense, but

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at the same time it's like justkeeps going and going. I mean,
like it's larger and larger. Well, there's a connection between like with Cocktail
Twins, and then a lot ofthe lot of the shoegaze bands probably were
golf kids, you know, yeah, because they all love the cure,
they all love they all love Susie. I mean, uh, slow Dive
is like from a Susie song,right, Yeah, well, I'm sure

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most music, yeah it's and they'renot. It's not a very shoe game,
but there's a there's a there's amood that it creates, which I
can see the connection, you know, like a certain kind of like feeling
that it gives you when you're listeningto it. And again you have to
relate it to because even they sayit themselves, man about getting high,
about getting drunk, because part ofthat is allowing you to open your mind

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to create these large sounds. Youknow. It's like with with wall yeah,
the Walls, and again it goesback to the sixties specter wall you
know, it's like boys, it'sjust attacking you, but in this soft
kind of right, you know whatI mean. I remember when you guys
would play you know, and youwould play that that kind of Wallace sound
too, and I was like,you know, like this first time I
actually seen that kind of stuff live, right, was from your band when

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you get you know, in theArt Damage Experiment, and I thought,
I was like, wow, thatsounds really good. And then then when
you know, like it kind ofgot flashbacks. So when I saw Slow
Dive you know, a few weeksago, and you know, it's really
fun to play because it's not thatdifficult. You know, you're just creating
the constant sound. You know.Yeah. I can't say I've seen that
many bands I have, you know, but my Bloody Balentine and Santa Monica

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what is it called Culture Center whateverit is. Yeah, when we went
to go see them and now theyyou know, they played you made me
realize and when they play that songthey have like a ten minute It's just
fucking wall of sound noise, andso much so that one of the chandelier
pieces fell on someone's head dude,and shattered in the dude's head, and

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he was still rocking out. Man. People were like all scattered ever because
they're scared, But that noise,Man's just relentless. Man, I'm going
and going. But still to thisday, I I'll it's whatever that feeling
gave me. Dude, I've neverhad that feeling. Strange. Yeah,
I'm a total sucker for it.You know, it's amazing. You maybe
realize that the concussion. That guydidn't realize that until he was in fourteen.

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Well, we were talking about goingto shows by ourselves with them.
When my Bloody Valentine came to play, like at the usc Pavilion whatever that
thing is. I went by myselfbecause I don't want to go with my
wife isn't into it. So Iwas like, Okay, I'm going to
go, and I went and itwas just it was kind of a perfect
show to go by yourself because youjust sit there and just badge out.
You know. It was like awesome. But no, yeah, that's I

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think the feeling that you get fromit is really cool. And I people
lump the shoegaze moniker, but everyband is really different. The good bands
are very distinctive. They're like myBloody Valentine doesn't sound like Slow, I
doesn't sound like high, sound likeyeah, most doesn't sound like them,
Lush doesn't sound like yeah yeah.And then American bands a sorely they don't
sound like them. The Lilies don'tsound like them. You know, there's

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they're completely different, but they I'llget lumped into this thing, which is
something I could see how that couldbe annoying. Yeah, and a detriment
for some of them. Yes,yeah, they want to branch out to
some other things. There were anown thing. No, I don't know
if he stuck with you guys.Yeah, it's kind of like Andrew Eldridge
doesn'tant to be saying called goth,but but it's just it's sure. The
thing going back to Slow and thething about them not very getting that that

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very big ever until now they're theyactually talk about how they're bigger now than
ever that it was until twenty fourteen, and they played the biggest shows they've
ever played back in the nineties.You know when they played Primavera. It's
just strange. Their their downfall wasjust from the press and other bands talking
shit about them, and for somereason the press just hated them and they

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everybody just turned on them when thisalbum came out. Did you have that
documentary? No, any of thoseones, I didn't see it. Yeah,
that was a big point of thedocumentary, like how they got you
know, they're got black balld aoyor well. The thing is, it's
like the rise and fall, buta span of what two three years,
you know what I mean? Likethey were like the the indie darlings and
boom done, like everyone do theydo to kind of nothing nothing nothing.

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It's just you know, brit popgrunge came out all at the same time
and they just kind of left,got left by the wayside. Not the
same thing. Rave was kind ofgetting big to Manchester, Manchester. Manchester
was was getting big. The baggyscene you know, was getting big.
Yeah, yeah, and then everybodywas just taking uppers. Everybody's getting everyone's

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on speed and slow. They're justlike they're drag and they're just like weed
guys and they just smoke weed anddrink you know, and yeah, and
then what is it madixt Street Featuressaid like they're the worst band. They
hate them, they hate them morethan they hate Hitler or something like that,
you know, saying like they didthat in an interview. They they

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said that in an interview and enemyenemy they never did anything to them,
which is and fucking Max Sweet Preaterssuck. Yeah, they're the lame his
band in brip Off. I don'tlike them. Yeah, I wasn't a
big fan. Yeah, one ortwo songs, But like, it's weird
because there other bands that are likelike a nickelback of you back then or
what if you look at a bandlike The Verb, Right, The Verb's

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first album is like a straight upshoegaze, slow divy influenced right. It's
very sprawling, it's very big,it's it's very fuzzy, but it's kind
of muted. And for some reasonthey didn't get blackballed. They but you
know, they ended up coming outwith a more britpoppy album after Yeah.
Yeah, but it's just weird thatfor some reason just slow Dive rubbed everybody

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wrong. I don't know what itis. I mean, even Blur's first
album Man there's a lot of elementyeah, exactly. Yeah, and then
they went full after that. LikeI think Blur's first tour was with Ride
Slow Dive and like the Charlatans oryeah yeah, supporting them. Yeah,
and then they just kind of tookoff. It's just weird. It's just
a weird thing that either they havehorrible management, you know, the band.

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It's just a music industry, andI think that the music industry.
I think, yeah, the musicindustry was just shifting and like, you
know, we got to get theuppity music. Also, the British press
was just like so many there's somany like publications. This is back when
there's magazines, right, So theygot to sell magazine So if you put
something on the cover of a magazinethat's talking shit or something like that,

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you got to sell more albums.And then because after Slow Dive they destroyed
Slida, then they got into theBlur Oasis thing and then started selling magazines
with that, and I mean,and then everything else was just terrible.
And then I mean it's like alot of legendary bands always get canned by
those like enemies and melody makers,you know, like I mean, freaking
the cure and maybe the cure.The Cure got panned a few times.
Depeche Mode definitely got panned. Wellthat's depention was bigger than the US,

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right, and so it's just youknow, like these bands are just will
become legends somewhere down the line.They're always panned initially by these rag mags.
Well that's what that's what they're saying, is that they think it might
have been a good thing because theygot ignored for so long and then now
they're bigger than ever because people areThat's one of the key points of the
document said, there's as many onesthat we were watching because nowadays these publications

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can't make or break bands anymore becauseyou know, it's like regular people have
a say, right, I mean, it's just out there democraty y democracy.
It's like, you know, it'sa lot. There's no better for
any band gatekeeping those which is great, it's great for everybody. Yeah,
it's like, yeah, let peoplemake their own decisions, you know,
you know, like a movie froma movie review to you know, like
a music review. And you know, I'm not against older bands coming back

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to either the music video reviews,though you come here is the one and
only I know if we're talking aboutwill make and never break it. But
anyways, yeah, I mean,fortunately Slow Dive, they they kind of
pivoted and then they did Mohbbi threeafter and they've also had other projects out
even before Slow to have They havehad Eternal with Christian Seville. They had
Simon Scott who played drums for theCharlotte, which is a fat ass band

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Hobby three. Of course they hadMonster Movie. I mean that had a
lot of different bands that sprung outof it, you know, and they
were all good. That's the weirdpart. Before, during, and after
Slow Dive and Neil Halsted during thekind of like when the Slowed I broke
up. He put out a couplesoul albums that are kind of country country
influenced. Well they're like singer songwriter, but they're fucking beautiful. And I've

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seen him play a couple of timesand just great shows. I've seen Mobbi
three play a couple of times,great shows all the time. You know,
they're just a great band all around. No matter what they're doing,
it's always really really good. Yea, all great musicians, like because all
the bands as they came out weregood and it's crazy. They just meant
like in high school right there,kids, man, even before like well
there was like a rec center orsomething like that, Yeah, where there's

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instruments already set up and retro Gozzowould play with somebody else and then what's
his name, Neil Hawsted would justkeep coming by every day. They would
never talk about anything, and theneventually like they started talking about what they
like and they realized, oh,we have a lot of common ground.
And then you know, that's reallywhere it started from. And then they
got the bass player after that,and then they formed their first like they
started doing their demos at that point, but they were called the Pumpkin Fairies.

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Yeah, and I was listening.I was listening to that. It's
pretty fun bad. It's like that. It's like tweet noise, you know,
like a See eighty six like,but late eighties sound amazing stuff,
phenomenal. Yeah, this is rightbefore slow div That's another thing too,
Like there's like those little tiny genresthat too, that are just tiny,
like eighty six and and those tweetscene that those tweet bands that are just

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indie never got big too, andthey're amazing bands, some of them still
play today. Yeah, it's socrazy, but to get back to this
album. So around that that timethey're in a band and stuff like that,
and then they started dating, right, Rachel Goswell and Halsted, right,
and that was kind of like thewhen this album was recorded. That
or before the album recorded, theythat's when they broke up. Oh so

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a lot of the songs but theywere ready okay, all right, a
lot of the songs dealt with thebreakup and the separation. But she was
saying in the interview kind of nodoubt. Then, Yeah, it's like
it's difficult. It's difficult to You'reforced to be together artistically, right,
And I've known people who are manypeople actually who were together and you know,

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played together, and it's like neverreally works, it never works out,
sad ending, But what are yougoing to do? Right, It's
a weird dynamic. Yeah, youalways want to back up your partner.
But then sometimes if you're in aband or you're in something like that,
and you you have your own thoughtson something and maybe it's not the same
as them, and you're not backingthem up. You're just expressing your own
thoughts and it could get misconstrued andthen you know, I could see it's

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just a difficult thing having been ina band with with what I've gone out
with. Yeah, it's the beautyof this album. Is it came out
so well? Yeah, yeah,like out of the ashes, right became
this beautiful thing that you know,just I mean, they're mature adults.
They probably way more mature than wewere. They were like twenty, they
were like twenty. I feel likethey're probably so way more mature than you
know, like than us when wewe could have handled it by our early

(24:45):
twenties. You probably like shitting oneach other on every other track or you
have to consider that, like theydon't know anything else but this, Yeah,
you know what I mean. Sothis is their life. So it's
like they had to do it,you know. That's the producer producer made
you know, made them like reallycoexist and ship like we gotta we gotta
get this done. My band waswasn't signed to a record or anything like
that, so it was like,Okay, I guess we'll just break over

(25:07):
it. When you're actually signed contractand you have to and it's your source
of income, I could understand,like Okay, I guess we have to
work this out to be made.But sometimes out of like pain, it
is beautiful things come on to me, you know, and that it just
has to happen that way. Yeah, exactly. And we got this beautiful
album, this beautiful song. Butwe should never podcast when people were dating,

(25:29):
right exactly. Bo Okay, we'llbe right back with some pop quiz
after these messages. Okay, it'stime with some pop quiz. What you
got first? Okay, So forthis pop quiz, I'm gonna do a
two parter, right, I'm alreadyscared, but go ahead. First we're
gonna do the dive part and thenwe're gonna do the slow parts. Okay.

(25:52):
In my I was supposed to doit the other way, the slow
down, right, but I whenI printed out I forgot that. I
put him on the wrong pagees case. So first we're gonna dive, get
into it. So this is gonnabe true of us questions about diving.
Oh man, I don't know,do you guys know, are you guys
certified scuba constructors or no? Ahead, I'm putting on my little head dingy

(26:14):
that divers put on when they're gonnadive. Okay, here we go,
true or false. Jacques Coustou wasnot only the inventor of scuba diving the
way that we do it nowadays,but he also was one of the oldest
divers in history. He was stilldiving at the age of eighty six.
True or false. I think it'strue. I'm gonna going true true six,
Yeah, going true true. Firstof all, I didn't even know

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jacqu Is still invented the modern dayconcept of scuba diving. That's crazy.
This is the true or false ofit all. Wow, Okay, you're
going true? Yeah, you're right, all right, he invented our modern
way of I had no idea.It was all a tribute to them.
Yeah, that's crazy. Oh,good on jaka No true or false.
During World War Two, the Australiangovernment was already using what they can call

(27:00):
the chuck and suckle at the depthof thirty meters for a long time with
that was the best kept secret fromthe Royal Navy. Okay, what is
a chuck and suckle? That's whatthat's what they would call. That was
their diving device that they used.That was like secret that they kept from
the saying. Is that true orfalse? Yeah? Why would they hide
you from the Royal Navy. Ithought their allies, I would say false.

(27:23):
That is false. Actually, duringWorld War Two it was the British
divers who were using what they calledthe noc Trix rebreather. Chuck chuck,
chuck and suckle is a term usedby Australians which means to lie when you're
calling in sick to work. I'mgonna use that. Hey, guys,

(27:44):
I gotta go check it suckle tonight. I chuck and suckle to work this
I'm gonna check on suckle work thisafternoon. That's how you use it.
I'm gonna check it suckle work thisweek. That's great, Ryan tru or
false. Diving is one of theoldest dangerous sports. According to the Divers
Alert Network, one out of everythree hundred and eighty four divers succumb to
drowning every year. One I havethree eighty four. That sounds a reasonable
I'm gonna going true. That isfalse. Even though scuba diving is considered

(28:08):
a risky sport, according to theDiver Alert Network DAN, the fatalities only
happened one in every two hundred andeleven thousand dives, safer than driving.
I guess slang a plane crazy.Oh sure, false? All right,
A broken toe is the most commoninjury during scuba diving. I could see
that happening. Okay, yeah,i'll buy, I'll buy. Yes,

(28:30):
you're correct. True, you droppedthe tanks on your toes. Oh you've
been scuba diving before, right,No, no, I've done snarkling.
I've never done scuba now, I'mway too away, too much of a
woos to do that. Ey.No, no, no, no,
I've never done it snarkling. Iwas snorkling. I've done snarkling, but
not like officially. I just busteda snorkel went to the ocean. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's that's whatI've done that. I had a

(28:52):
wet suit and everything, but Ilike, I chuck and suckled up for
like a week of work. Iwent to Hawaiian scuba diving on my own.
Ryan. In twenty fourteen, theEgyptian a Mere Gobber achieved a new
depth world record, reaching the depthof three one hundred and thirty two meters
are one thousand ninety feet death,Right, I'm gonna go with false.
That's true. Damn. The thingis that's he's Egyptian. I was like,

(29:18):
h that might he might get outYeah a thousand feet dude, Damn,
I know you can. He probablyhad to come up real slow and
stuff craze. Okay, imagine whatdo you see down there? Merman?
You see that log deeck controller thatkilled the billionaires? Were us? How

(29:38):
deep that they went? Real deep? Though? All the deep helm's deep
al true or false? The salaryof a diving instructor is one of the
most highest salaries in sporting industry,even higher than a college sports coach.
There's only so much few and stilla very lucrative job. So yeah,
I believe that that is false.It's one of the lowest action. A

(30:03):
cap counselor and a sports coach forlike a high school get paid more than
how much do they make? Ihave no idea, but it's just very
low mass man. Sorry that Ishould yank all my stocks on my orders
and puts and ship to my stockand diving, you know, scuba diversity.
That's not a poor person's occupation,right or a hobby even yeah,

(30:26):
that's not a poor person's hobby.That goes into the next question, right,
true or false. There are oversix million active certified school divers in
the world today six million. Sixmillion are mostly oceans. Yes, yes,
there are a lot. We aremostly cond it's a lot of moment

(30:47):
of it population, there's a lotof Neil Hastead's altru or false. The
most common reason people don't want toparticipate in Scooba Diamond is fear of drowning.
That sounds reasonable because that's definitely oneof my reasons. And yeah,
I'll say, yes, it isfalse. It's actually the fear of sharks.

(31:07):
Sharks, I knew sharks, whichis very It's a legitimate fear.
But but it's not it's not irrelevantfear because it's like it's one of those
things where like one out of veryit's rare people being scared of snakes and
spied exactly like that. So now, yeah, to me, it's like
I didn't think of sharks. WhenI do that, I think I don't
want to drown. I blow.This goes on to the next question for
Ryan. Here you go, trueor false? Ryan, coconuts and humans

(31:30):
in comparison are more dangerous than sharks. Yeah, I think more people get
hit in the head with coconuts.That is true. Yes, coconuts kill
an average of one hundred and fiftyhumans every year. Sharks only eight to
twelve humans killed, even though thereare thirty million sharks. They don't want
to bother anybody. Yeah, yeah, because they know human meat is like
garbage, all microplastics and shit.Yeah, and humans eat sharks and they

(31:52):
also eat coconuts, coconut sharks withthe gorilla banana. It's like that.
Every time you drinking coconut water,just think about them. Glad you're drinking.
I know, hell chure or false. The most trained specialty ever is

(32:13):
underwater photographer. Ever. False itsays it's for some reason. It's true,
It's right, it's weird. Right, you can take a fucking brain
surgeon, right, but I guessyou have to learn how to scow dive,
learn how to do photography underwater,and and then also well there's also
lighting, lighting and not getting killedlike other things, and you know,

(32:34):
and there's there's too many things happening. I do. I do appreciate their
work because holy shit, some ofthese things they take a picture of and
we'll just I mean, even likethe documentary is like the the shots they
again, like damn man, didthey do that? The planet? Yeah,
it's it's like they're Imax camera sometimes, right, yeah, so it's
crazy, okay, sure or false, Ryan, if you could dive at

(32:55):
all the spots in the world thatare limited to recreational diving, you would
have had to dive over seventy fourpercent of the ocean. So these are
only places where you can dive,right, and if you dive in all
of them in the world, youwould have seventy four percent of the ocean
under your belt. D that's toobad. I'm gonna go with false.
That is false. You would onlyhave four percent of the ocean. That's

(33:17):
it. Of every place where youcan dive, you do them all in
your lifetime, you would only havefour percent of the oceans. There's that
saying like a stat or with somethingthat we've covered way more in outer space
than actual our own oceans, rightright, So yeah, okay, Now
we're going for the slow part.I'm going to talk about the world's slowest

(33:37):
animals. Oh oh, here wego, Yes, oh, here you
go. For some reason, there'sa lot of questions about sloths. Sloths
actually grow algae on their fur,which helps them a conceal themselves in their
leafy element B with high nutritionous foodthey could eat it or see conceal themselves

(33:57):
from certain predators, I mean concealtheir scents from predators. And there's no
all of the above because all ofthem makes sense to me. But they
should be both of us, right, like, oh yeah, yeah,
there you go. Yeah, okay, So sloths they grow algae on their
front, right, does it concealthem and their leafy elements. Does it
provide them with a highly nutritious foodsource, or does it conceal their scent

(34:20):
from predators. I'm gonna go withthe scent. The scent. It's a
good answer. Predator wise. They'rebig enough that only maybe certain raptor birds
will get them. But I wouldsay it's some food source. You guys
are Those are very good answers,but they're both wrong. It's actually to
conceal them in their leafy elements,so it actually grows, so it's almost

(34:44):
like they're camouflage because the color,it's the color, and it's they have
leaves growing off them like like moss, so it looks like they're a part
of the tree. That's crazy.It's number two. Being nocturnal help slots
avoid their main predator which is aa black caped care which is the night
terror of Ecuador. The scarlet macau, which is the jungle the jungle floor

(35:07):
scavenger, are the harpy eagle,which is the daytime hunter. I'm gonna
go with the eagle. Harpy eagle. I didn't get you guys, Yes,
what do you get? The caraboobecause it's just like a little man.
They don't even keep me like Ijust you know, I was looking
at harpy eagle things on Instagram.It was cute. It was a rpy

(35:29):
eagle and there a hearty eagle chicks. But they're beaks, man, dude,
those will tear your Yeah, that'swhat I'm saying. By raptors.
And they're eating poor little slats andtheir algae in their fur. It's like
you got a salad and the meatit's like a what is it like like
a steak solad? Slots extreme slownessmakes them very vulnerable on the ground,

(35:52):
in the water, are on roadsand highways. I've seen many videos on
Instagram. Was slatt, you know, be so slow in the road that
they needed human intervention. They needlike sloth crossings. Right, Yeah,
I'm sure, but I think it'sjust the ground in general out here.

(36:13):
Correct, the ground all ground thereattack. That's why they stay. They
only come out of trees for certainthings, which will be a question later.
Yeah, there are which will bea question right now. There are
only two reasons which slots leave theirtree. A to find a mate,
B to bathe, c to eat, and this one's got to get a
d D to poop. There's twoof the answers are correct. Really now,

(36:40):
I've made it in trees many times, so I'm pretty sure they don't
meet. Now, I'm gonna gowith bathe. Any two answers to answers
poop, I'll just let it drop. I guess. I guess bathe and
mate for me? Bathing mate,okay for me? This is the essentials.
Eat and mate, eat in mate. You guys are both half right.

(37:02):
The two answers were to find tomate and to poop. They will
not poop in a tree. Theydon't poop where they live. Oh that's
smart. I didn't know that.They don't ship where they eat. That's
right. Yeah, why would theyThey ship where they mate, which is
nasty. Maybe they do it atthe same time. It's just wild.

(37:22):
You didn't know that slots were sofreaky. Yeah, I quite leap from
from shoegaze to that's what you got. It's like some slots. It's like
jeopardy all you know what you get? Here we go. Now we're gonna
go to another creature, iguanas.Although iguanas could run quick if they need
to, they prefer to be slow, conserving their energy and rely on A

(37:47):
they're poison, B camouflage, rD their leaping ability. Camouflage. I'm
gonna have to go with Ryan came. Yeah, they camouflage that criss crossing
the camouflage the eighties. Here wego. Horn frogs. I don't know

(38:07):
how much you guys know about hornfrogs. The horn frog of South America
lives in dry areas. To avoiddrying out, they form a cocoon made
from sand and mucus. A Bdead insects, R C shedded skin that
they lock moisture in. I'm gonnago with the cocoon. Cocon of what

(38:28):
cocoon with their mucus and sand sandmucus? Yeah, I would go metal
into skin al right, skin andmoisture fantastic. Here we go. The
last one. Guys, good luckto both of you. Scientists believe chameleons
change color to A reflect their mood, b blend into their environment r C
for mating. It was the environmentblending. Yeah, that's how it's the

(38:53):
mood ring mood rings environment for meenvironment, yes, environment can. I
was also flabbergasted by this. Whatreselect their moods? What that's what scientists
believe chameleons changed for Yeah. Wow, not like you know, posting Instagram

(39:14):
stories about their girlfriends at that time. It's not about esoteric reference. It's
not about show that they're having tonightthe chameleons. Yeah, when we do.
Chameleons don't how many videos right dothey? Yeah? But anyways,

(39:36):
let's talk about the music video forAlison. This music video makes me remember
being young and going to cool parties, not old person parties that I go
to now where you're just it's solame. But it's just the party.
I mean, it's a party.So what I read and I don't know

(39:58):
if this is true. This iswhat rache Olds Goswell said that Creation Records
gave them money to make a videoand instead they threw a big, giant
party and just filmed it so didyou read that also? No, no,
no, no, okay, SoI think that's probably what happened to
because if you give me I'm likenineteen twenty and you give me all this
money, I'm like, yeah,I'm gonna have to throw a party.
You know, it would make senseas far as videos, exactly, right.
So, but they happened to invitelike all the most attractive people in

(40:21):
the world, right, well,there was only in the nineties. There's
only attractive people. And the ninetiesI only ate out at restaurants like once
a month maybe at the most.Yeah, I was eating at home all
the time. I cheezburgers for uscalore. Right. No, it just gave
me that that feeling of being ata party and drinking and meeting. You
go to a party where you don'tknow anybody, but then you start talking

(40:44):
to people, but then you haveyour friends there. It was exciting,
right Yeah. And as you mentioned, parties we go to today pretty much
boring, kind of lame, andyou're expected to participate in games. Yeah,
you have to play cards against Mattieor something just to past the silent
party. Like that's the pinon.Parties have been lame for me. Now

(41:05):
is that I'd kill for our carsof against humanity. Little setup, like
I don't need to be entertained.You're having a party, it's entertaining.
Give me a drink and I'm justgonna mingle with people. And it's also
insulting as in, like you don'texpect me to know how to have a
good time with with just strangers andyou know that's isn't that the whole point
of a party where you gather abunch of people that might not know each
other and then hopefully, you know, have some mixing together and enjoying themselves

(41:28):
by meeting each other and talking.So they kind of eliminate that, right,
Yeah, parties today, But inthe video you see like this man,
this gathering of just like inhibitions goneright. You got the black and
white, you got the cool kindof effects that they put a little sparkly
things in little fada ways. Yeah, its bring you back to that.
It gives you the of you beinga little faded and you know, making

(41:50):
out with the stranger. You know, it's really cool to see the Yeah,
and then you get the shots ofthem playing and like just in a
black studio and they looking cool allthe ship. You know, it's like,
oh man, these are like thecoolest people in the world, and
I get to go watch their party. And then you know that I like
has the aesthetic of a of asixties hit people in the sixties, but

(42:12):
not as extreme with the makeup.It's moret but it also has that weird
nineties groundedness and ruggedness about them too, you know. And then that's what
like to me, it's like avery timeless aesthetic, you know. And
then especially with the black and whiterise, yeah, for sure. And
it looks like a party that Iwould have went to. It's like it's
not a nice house, it's justlike a normal house, right, and
it's probably like three girls are rentingthis house and the inviters to their party,

(42:36):
and it's just like there's a bunchof people there and it's just like
that's one thing I missed too aboutlike clubs, a sure. Yeah,
the after parties. You know,after a club is that you go through
these kinds of random people's homes thatyou never heard met and shit, and
you could just like smoke out andhang out. The thing is that you
you just get invited happenstance because youknow, you know, you know someone

(42:58):
in and that's when you really tome, that's the most exciting part because
I know the people there, Idon't know any of them. So for
me, it's like, oh man, I'm gonna get to be exposed to
new ideas, probably new music becausethey're gonna be playing bears their thing,
you know. I mean it's likethat to me. No, you meet
people like, oh, you're animator, you're drawing comboy. Like, you
meet new people that you're like,well, I didn't even know. That's

(43:20):
like a job someone my age,out of your sphere, you know,
it's completely out of your air,your scene, and it's like they hear
what you do and they're amazed byit. I'm like, wow, I
didn't know my job was amazing.Oh yeah, I just do it,
you know, like growing up,like in the nineties, two thousands,
we went I mean, you know, I went to a bunch of those.
Manah. I always enjoyed myself,even if I was just a fly
on the wall, I still lovedit, and I still love listening to

(43:40):
people's conversations. I would watch peoplelike, by around two o'clock, these
people are gonna go home together.You know, you kind of even look
at those things, right, likein a social experiment, right, yeah,
Like oh yeah, those you cansee it later. You can see
like they bumped into each other ormaybe one of them came up to each
other, and then before you know, it starts to kind of get a
little bit more. They got alittle closer, they got a little bit

(44:01):
more drunk or whatever it is thatthey're doing. Then you go to a
club and they're not talking to eachother. Are they gonna get married or
something? You know, and it'slike, yeah, you almost see like
a blossoming of either a relationship ora decay of it or somehow. You
know. It's like like you said, you know, you're exposed to shows
and clubs, and sometimes it bleedsinto someone's house, right, It's like
it becomes this after party and thenyou kind of follow that, right Yeah,

(44:23):
And I'm getting that vibe and kindof the video because it's like there's
certain relationships that are kind of happening, you know, and it's kind of
like you're kind of just looking atit, like watching it unfold like a
movie. Yeah, and now yougo to a party and like, oh,
we're gonna like everybody's gonna make theirown pasta, or we're gonna do
crafts or you know, it's awhy you know, it's like a sushi
making course. Yeah, no one'slistening to this. Fuck. I hope

(44:45):
everybody listens, but nobody. Ihate the like wine tasting parties. Give
me something. I'm just gonna chill, Like I don't want to have to
like a little activity. Yeah,I just want to chill. This is
not like an event hosted by likethe learn the annex somewhere. This is
like I want to just stay thereand like let it happen organically, right,

(45:05):
like not being forced to yeah,like follow an agenda. You know,
it's like to me, that kindof takes the fun away. Yeah,
I don't want to drink fancy wine. Just just give me talk about
it, you know. Sure.But then the thing is too, when
you go to those kind of partiesand you just want to chill, then
everybody's like then the focus is onyou, Like why don't you want to
do it? Come on? Justyou know, just like no, man,

(45:29):
you're all of a sudden, Yeah, you guys do it. I'm
s right here. I'm going towatch the slow TI video on YouTube.
Yeah, like I mean those andthese were the times before smartphones too,
Yeah, exactly, so you're forcedto so you're you have to interact.
And then you know, like Imean, everyone everyone in this video was
like young and attractive people, solike, of course it's going to have
young and attractive, fucking attractive thisto each other. I didn't even think

(45:50):
about, like there's no nobody takingpictures, and then nobody I mean was
probably somebody had a little you know, disposal camerara, you know, snapping
around and now everybody's oh, let'sgo get together, We're gonna take a
picture, and so self yourself,Yeah enough, already you make a video.
Or if somebody's just sitting in acorner looking at their you know,
going through their fees and doom scrollings, like oh man, there's the people

(46:12):
there, but half of them aretexting people that are not at the party,
that are out of it. Soit's like you should be here here,
like I wish Allison was here livein the now bro Well, I
mean but yeah, I guess.Well that's the beauty of being able to
explain this video because you know,it is a different time obviously, and
what you're seeing is is like lifehappening like you know, naturally, where

(46:35):
you know it's not unfettered by youknow, technology or like other bullshit that
it's it's kind of freeing right whenyou watch it, because it did make
you kind of miss that era atthat time, you know what I'm saying
to me, Like it again,aside from just the music itself, you
see, the visual goes along withus like, oh yeah, I remember
those man, so many of thoseand the enjoyment you got out of it.

(46:55):
You know, it's like and itmakes you miss that time. So
I don't think I'm I'm being young. I just misspen the world felt or
something. Yeah, I just likelearning about new people, meeting new people.
So like that. Now it's likehard to meet new people because you
know, because we're so locked intoour own hang ups. I guess that
like I feel insecure, you know, like I don't want to really meet

(47:16):
people. I don't want to getpeople hung up with my own bullshit.
I feel like that's how I feelmost of it. I agree with you
in a setting. I also feellike there's we're fed too much information where
it either kind of inhibits us orlike we say too much, and it's
like, I don't know, man, we get trapped into our own minds,
right, So, like we wehave all this stuff that we all
of a sudden wanted like tell everybodyelse, and then when people get drunk,

(47:39):
that shit comes out and it's it'slike a fucking waterfall of just NonStop.
And because I kind of experience thatwith people that I I don't go
out, I don't even go toparties anyting, but you know, I
watch people and they listen and that'skind of the gist of what's happening,
at least socially, and I'm notyou know, I'm not my hands,
my fingers are not in the pulseor anything like that. But that's what
I'm saying. That's what I feellike. That's it's too much information that

(48:00):
we're absorbing that we want to alsogive out, you know, because whether
to kind of fit in or liketalk about what's new. And it's like
it's it's just not natural, it'snot organic, you know. I love
the idea of just like strangers kindof like oh you too, or maybe
you know, getting to know somebody. I don't think what was fun to
me. I think I miss Ithink it just like popped in my head

(48:20):
or I missed the anxiety of goingsomeplace new because I would have major anxiety.
I have major anxiety. But Iknew it was going to be kind
of a safe place because I knewthere was going to be chills there.
I knew there wasn't going to belike bro guys there. It was going
to be kind of like either likelike my goths or Indie or shoe gazy
or you know. So I knewit was going to be safe. But

(48:42):
my anxiety was more just about itwas almost kind of like an adrenaline thing,
right, you know, to getyou going, and then once you
go there, you know you're goingto be safe because it's not it's not
that kind of party. It's almostlike a positive anxiety, yes, exactly,
because we always had, like you'reright, man, one hundred percent.
Everywhere I go, it's always inthe back of my mind that shit
that might happen, right, likewhether it be a violent thing or a
dangerous thing. But when you feellike it's going to be a safe place,

(49:05):
I still have the anxiety, butit's the excitement the anxiety of like,
hey, I would say like what'sthe difference between I mean excitement and
positive answers kind of looking forward toit? You know, sometimes I like
being out of my own and sometimesI like having to prove myself that yeah
it's okay to be here, youknow, like and and I have to
kind of you know, dig deepinside of me and like have being able
to freight in in a certain atmosphere, right. I Mean the thing is

(49:25):
like, you know, like youRyan, like you can just do it
seamlessly. Really you think I don't. I won't think you're the anxious person.
I'm dying. It takes a lotof work. Yeah, this guy
like, yeah, but that's Iguess that's a that's a mechanism. That's
a good defense. Like I haveto be a certain way to like we
always talk about the same bullshit orlike we're almost like all actors, right,

(49:46):
Like in certain and specific kind ofsituations that we're in, we have
to be that type of person,right, whether it be a professional way
or a social way, Like youstill have to have some de quorum and
the way you present yourself. Right. So but right now, like us
three, we're always like bust yourballs kind of you know, Yeah,
because we're loose and we're cool withknowing each other for so long. But
you separate us individually and separate parties, we're going to be a different person.

(50:09):
Right. So yeah, Well,even even when you like you go
to a party like this, youhave that friend or you know, those
people who are going to start actingdifferent and you're like, man, why
are you acting like this? It'sbecause that's their persona for the party.
You know. It's like, hey, manure out, just you know America.
You know, people are like toomuch. You know, it's like

(50:30):
the actor, you know, youknow, so you have to be on
right. Yeah. Yeah, Soit just brings out that kind of thing,
and that's I mean, sometimes that'sa bummer, but it's also exciting
because you're waiting for that to happen. It's going to happen. There's always
that one, and then there's athere's a party dynamic. There is that
person, there is that this person, There is the drama part, you
know. So it's it's always fun, but you know, and then this

(50:51):
video just brought all that back,all that. It's very exciting. Yeah,
it's because I can and we canrelate at the clubs because if you
look at it. It is veryIt's kind of like the club is happening,
but they're just like on the sidelines. Is chilling. I can kind
of almost see it like that too, right, because they're at a club
actually, like a dance club orwhatever. It is a show and they're
just kind of all hanging out inthe sidelines, you know, and it
kind of brings back that that kindof you're looking at everybody, you know,

(51:13):
kind of like eyeing people and likeyes, yeah, you know that's
fun man, Yeah, people watchit. Yeah. So Mike Mason.
His IMDb credit is only this,but he has a lot of videos right
as YouTube page. Yeah yeah,so did I all the videos, but
for some reason, this is theonly one that's on IMDb. It's weird,
right, It's that is weird.But I guess this is his major

(51:34):
exposure or something. What kind ofbands does he does? He do videos
for Spaceman three, Spiritualized, BooRadley's Slow Dive, so that scene,
Chemical Brothers, Yeah, like theUK UK like upstarts. But he was
like in a band and I thinkthey were signed to Creation also, and
I think he would he just kindof took that role back to as the

(51:57):
director and then he kind of justgot into it. And I watched some
of his videos on YouTube of otherbands and they're like the same esthetic,
the very close ups of the singersin a very blurry but yet it's very
British. Yeah, he did avideo for Peter Murphy. Oh he did
which one? I don't know.It just there. I just has all
the name of the people that heworked with. It doesn't have the video
names. Yeah, I would guessit can't be cut you up. It
could be strange kind of love.So that's kind of weird too, right,

(52:20):
But yeah, all of this stuff, it's kind of like the same
aesthetic. And but this one islike the classic slowdive aesthetic, right.
You know. One thing I didcatch though, was Neil Hall said kissing
a different girl, a different girl, right, which, like we mentioned
previously, this whole album kind ofdealt with their breakup, right, their
separation, So I like that littletouch of almost like a little wink,
right that you know, like peopleare moving on, but they're still able

(52:45):
to kind of hang out. Andagain, I'm sure you guys can share
personal stories where you're in the samewhatever club or show or whatever. It
is parties and it's like the samescenes. There's a small scene. It's
a small scene, same people thatyou know, and it's like people move
on and like it's painful and themusic video is really simple. A lot
of the Shoegaz videos are very simple. What other Shoegaz videos have you other

(53:07):
than like the Oloyvalentine Soon After Soonvideos. Yeah, there's a Yeah,
there's there's a but they're very similarkind of usually playing yeah and then it's
always blurry, blurry, shadowy kindof thing. Yeah. That's one of
the things too. I think Ithink which attracted me to this kind of

(53:28):
scene too, is they're all likeintroverts, it seems like too, yeah,
which I kind of consider myself alittle bit of an introvert to for
a long time. And I thinkthat like that kind of attracted me too,
because I'm like, oh, they'rejust not like, you know,
on the cover of everything. It'salways kind of like you know, behind
something or the blurriness or you know, or it's never one person from the
band. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think the lead singer

(53:51):
the scene is dubbed as the scenethat celebrates itself, you know, it's
like rather than it's kind of likeinsular, right, It's not it's not
about being out there. It's likethis is us Like yeah, like it's
almost like they're shy, right,like they're this they want to keep it
to themselves because they don't really knowhow to, so they have to do
it through music, right. SoI mean, well, I mean,
if you grow, if your musicalicon is like Robert Smith, you know,

(54:15):
that's that's the Robert Smith thing,you know, Like I mean he
is upfront, but he is avery like hiding away all the time and
stuff like that, you know,but in a playful way. So I
could see I could see how thatcould very childlike almost. You know,
you're not trying to be like superstar. You're not trying to be like the
I don't want to we're shitting onthis to I don't want to be like

(54:35):
the Mick Jagger or you know,the the Uh well, I mean that's
why the makeup and you know it'slike that's you know, I don't want
to show you who I really am. I'm this facade that i'm that I'm
presenting to everybody, you know whatI mean. So like it's a way
for to handle those kinds of likeinsecurities. Yeah, yeah, Joy Division
a lot of the post punk bandstoo. You know, it's kind of
like it's the band, it's notjust me, you know, indeed,
absolutely. Is there anything else thatstuck out to you for the video?

(55:00):
Explain to me the the masks theywere wearing when they're playing guitars. Oh
yeah, I think they just hadI think it's just like a classic,
like we don't we have a smallbudget, so we wasted all our money
on this party. The cousin thecousin it or not causing it. The
thing on the chessboard, the secondchessboard video that we've done that's also black

(55:22):
and white, right, being playful? Probably right. I think they boy
said the studio's money on this musicvideo. You know, it was probably
not picture of the lines of cocainein the back. Did you guys think
that they were really playing chess?Or they just like, oh man,
this will make us look smarter.Let's just put a chessboard out right there,
you know, because it's me anduh Rachel's little chess game in life.

(55:42):
Were playing deep there, you go, getting deep on it, and
the severed hand is everage relationship alsRachel's Allison. I know in my heart,
Hey man, a guy like thatbreaks my heart. I'm I'm going
to try to find some details.You know, a guy with a big
mop top like that breaks your heart. The other I think she actually broke
up with him. Oh damn,I think. Okay, well take a

(56:04):
break first, some notable YouTube comments. Okay, so we're gonna do the
notable YouTube comments. Here we go. There was actually really good YouTube comments
for this one. There's a lotof people commented on it, like I
just like I saw the list,I'm like, I'm not reading because he's
gonna find him oneant. There werea lot and it was a wide range
of people. It was like youngpeople, it was older people from back

(56:25):
in the days. It was almostlike every race because you can see their
pictures and you and I'm like,wow, it's like it transcends everything.
And that's the thing too. Whenwe saw Slow Dye, the demographic was
like freaking thirty year difference between people, right, it's amazing. Yeah,
it was pretty like you go tocraft work and see like, you know,
no one younger than twenty nine,and then the robots, right,

(56:45):
yeah, I think you're being liberalwith the twenty nine lay. I'm not
just kidding. I didn't see avery young person there, but I mean
it's an all ages show. Butstill yeah, well androids, that's my
We're all robots. They're on thematrix. All right, here we go.
Comment number one. This is fromas nine nine ten. This is

(57:06):
this one through me for a loop. A few months ago, I met
someone who showed me this song.He said, I love your name,
and there's a song with the samename. Today I'm listening to that song
because of that person. Rest inpeace, my friend speriod. Man.
Oh man, it's so weird becauseit was like a month ago I met

(57:27):
this person and the person's already gone. Is it the idea that's gone?
I don't know. The fast life. Yeah, I guess he's out there
somewhere. Number two. Something aboutthis song in Books of Feeling that it's
truly unique among the thousands of songsI've listened to over the years. Honestly,
nothing recreates it exists in a planeof its own. It's like a
mixture of contracting emotions but melt togetherperfectly. I can't describe it in words,

(57:52):
even though he's writing it. Thelyrics made bear no relation to anything
I've ever experienced, yet it feelswarm and comfortable, so familiar, like
I've always been there. Yeah.Here, he's a good one, right.
Yeah, it's so funny that hecan't describe any words, but describing
the ridge very well, sir.It kind of puts you in the way,
you know you have to do it, and it's a weird description.
Here's another one. Normally, afterI listened to a song a few times,

(58:15):
I could come up with some sortof cool ass comment about it.
But I've heard this song a milliontimes and I still can't do that.
There's something beautiful and tragic about thissong. It defies words. There's a
lot of that kind of stuff.Yeah, it's very I can see that
nice. Yeah, I mean it'sit's just Neil's vocals too. It's just
how just blending both of their vocals. That's the essence really of shoegaze.

(58:37):
Just takes you in this this veryit's weird. It's like abstract space in
your mind. That it's like anabstract sadness. Yeah, but it's a
nostalgic for something you've probably never experienced. That who knows right, because it
carries you, you know, likeit carries you to a place and it's
like just let you go and wheream I? Yeah, because it's basically
like the you know the concept ofthe white noise, wall of noise and

(59:00):
all that. It's just like itforces you to confront your own ship,
you know, and you you startlike feeling like whatever traumas or positive experiences
you've felt, That's that's how Ifeel. It's like when I get that
Wallace sound from Shoegaz music, it'slike an emotional aggression. You know,
it's like it's attacking you, butlike you said, it's making you face
something that you're kind of afraid ofsometimes, you know. Right, it's

(59:21):
the same thing like what you guysare saying. But like I'm like an
abstract painting that you're looking at rightnow. Like I know you're not a
Jackson Pollack guy, but I rememberseeing that the first time I saw it
for me, Jackson Pollack Painting Live. It just like washed over me and
like I was entrance over it andI couldn't explain it, but it just
gave me all these weird feelings andI it just it's like like the same

(59:43):
thing. It just washed over me, and I had all these emotions that
it's an abstract painting. There's nopicture there, you know, it's just
paint, you know. I guessthat's what's good, what good art is
supposed to do, right, Yeah, Yeah, And I could see that
same kind of You're reflecting your ownshit on the on that, you know,
and it's coming back get you.Yeah. Very good, very good
confrontation. Right, you're absolutely right. Here we go. Here's the last

(01:00:06):
one. The kind of sound thatwashes over a cascading emotion. We all
have an Allison tail to tell piningaway from someone not quite realizing or mourning
something that will end too soon.For Neil, it was really about recovering
from Rachel Goswell, his bandmate,his lover, and his muse. The
fact that Slow Dive survived and thrivesspeaks about the singularity as a human,

(01:00:30):
as a human being in a groupformation, and we are all better for
it. Along with my Bloody ValencineCocktail twins jus Mary chain Ride Lush produced
a veriable soundtrack of our lives.We don't know, we didn't know it
at the time, but we're livingat the end of something we thought it
was the beginning. I found madlyin love with this era, the madness
and despair, but the love remains. I'm just feeling a little lost.

(01:00:53):
Oh, it's very poetic, verypoetic, slow dype fans right piece,
I think we're all speaking with thesepeople are speaking. It just kind of
transcends everything, and you just canI throw this question now, do you
guys find it romantic? Yes,it's the sound. Yes, absolutely,
it's beautiful. You can definitely gothere, right, Yeah. Yeah,

(01:01:14):
it's funny because even when you listento some of like the my Bloody Balancine
songs that are kind of like nasts, some of their songs are kind of
nasty, of course, you know, absolutely, but they're beautiful and still
kind of romantic. Softest Snow butWarm Inside is one of like the most
beautiful songs, and it's the nastiest. It's probably one of the dirtiest songs.
If you like, like you reallylike listen to it and get the

(01:01:35):
feeling out of it, you're like, oh, this is pretty sexy,
you know, like, but yeah, there's some kind of me and romance
and it's it's it's really nice.Sure, we all kiss now. It's
the ritual every podcast we all makeout of high five. Okay, guys,
So Alison my slow die, wouldyou keep it or would you throw

(01:02:00):
it back? I'm throwing this backnow if I'm forced to confront it.
I'm just kidding, of course,if you couldn't tell earlier, I love
the band. I actually had neverseen the video before. You know what,
That's one thing about this genre thatthat's kind of interesting, at least
when I look back, is thatI don't need to watch any videos,

(01:02:22):
just the music itself and the wholescene and what I've read, and just
pictures of you know, because ofcourse you're always interested in what people look
like and you know, the artthat you love and for the people behind
it. Right, the video nevernecessary for me, like it's like,
ah, it will not add toanything for me. But seeing the video,
man, it awoke some other kindof areas that I didn't think would

(01:02:43):
come out. But you know,talking about like missing those days of partying
and just that kind of element ofexcitement after a club or after a show
and then everybody's going to this placeand everybody meets up there. Oh I
saw her at the thing and nowshe's here and it's like, oh,
you know what's going on? Soyeah, I guess in a way it
did add something to it. DoI need it? Not necessarily? Did

(01:03:04):
I enjoy watching and having that likepresented to me. Yeah, it's kind
of cool that it does exist even, you know, because I think it
helps their legacy to continue. Andobviously, you know, they found new
young fans, and I think mostof their fans today are much younger than
you know, like cause so manyother people are discovering their music. But
yeah, definitely, man, thisvideo is great. The song is the

(01:03:27):
first track you know, when you'rewhen I play that tape inside a fun
man, mine goes somewhere else andit still does it. It still has
the same effect from the late ninetiesearly two thousands for me, and that's
twenty five years ago, man,you know, and it's still there.
So yes, absolutely, recording isin twenty eighteen, right eight. That's
for me. Yeah, of courseit is definitely a keeper. You know,

(01:03:51):
I'm the one who is the leastfamiliar with this band, but I
know a good video when I seeone, and this is definitely one of
them. You know. It kindof gives me a little throwback too of
another video that he did, whichwas the nineteen sixty nine by Pumpkins,
Yeah, Smashing Pumpkins, which isanother house party video, which gives you
that kind of and Billy Corgan islike a massive shoecase. Oh there you

(01:04:14):
go. Maybe he got inspired bythis music video here and kind of recreated
his own inspiration from his own childchildhood. But yeah, yeah, definitely
a keeper. Like I do agreewith Ryan says, like you don't need
the music video to really appreciate thesong. But we're reviewing music video here.
It sounds like they got like probablyfive grand to shoot a music video
and they just party with the money, which is great because you could literally

(01:04:35):
put in like a nice stupid hiphop song on top of this music video
and have the music video be fasterand it will still work. It will
still work somehow, you know,or a rave video or something. But
I don't want to take away fromwhat Slow Dive has done musically here.
But yeah, yeah, like it'sit's beautiful what they've done here. I
love the Sparklee's effects, that littlepinwheel effect with the motion lose or yeah,

(01:05:00):
that thing I forgot what you callit, but it's like a wheel
with like you know, moving pictureson it that you see an old twenties
like the like cartoon things and soright there with drawings. That was a
nice definitely, And but yeah,you know, like it's not trying to
be too deep or anything like thatand not trying to be pretentious. It's
just a nice, cool hangout musicvideo. No ask for me. Yeah,

(01:05:23):
I picked the song this song becauseI like it in the in the
video is it was actually new tome. Like we said, we didn't
never seen the video before, whichI didn't know there's videos or a lot
of these songs. But no,yeah, it does. It gives you
that effect. I think if thevideo was more like heavy hearted or like
a sad or like sad video,it would take away from the song.
I think the song is is emotionalenough that you do need to have a

(01:05:45):
video that's kind of like a partyvideo because if not, yeah, it
would just Yeah, it's a goodbalance to it. Yeah, if you
just had you know, some kindof like him singing to a girl or
something, it would be kind ofcheesy almost you know, but I think
this kind of ballance balances it out. Yeah, that made video. Yeah
exactly, and like you know,I'm a sucker for the for this era
of black and white stuff. Youknow, it's like everything always looks better

(01:06:08):
in black and white film. Yeahfor sure. Right see, like rod
Sterling creep in there. What wehave here is a relationship break down relationship?
Oh no, yeah, it's akeeper absolutely, all right. Three
keeps again? Oh man, nowwe need one, right, well,
I'll try to do a combo breakerfor this new for the next one.
So for our next episode, Iguess it's me I will be doing B

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Movies switch On Switch Off? Ohwow? What year is this? What
nineteen eighty four eighty five? We'regoing back to nineteen four eighty five,
the mid eighties height of the newwave pommador you know, since Poppy Thing
and B Movie came up with analbu cul Forever Running. I think it
was nineteen eighty four, and thelead single was a song cale switch On

(01:06:54):
Switch Off, which was they actuallyhad a studio backing in with a music
video. Oh really, yep,I have not seen it. You haven't
seen it. You know. BMovie had videos. Oh, they even
made the music videos for newer materials. Really get ready I'm excited, So
we'll see if you throwing this backor even but anyway, we'll see you
for next time for b movie switchon to a job. Thank you for

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Then it's the best I remember.I still remember watching that. Me

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and later were watching that in theapartment and we were fucking high as af
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