Ep. 117-Whip It (Devo)

The cream stayed out too long as Louie, Ryan & Al cracked that podcast mixer and discuss the music video for Devo's 1980 smash hit, "Whip It."

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello and welcome to episode one hundred and seventeen of
Throwback Music Video Review podcast, and tonight we will be
reviewing Devo's whipp It. Whipp It is a song by
Devo from their nineteen eighty third studio album Freedom of Choice.
Whip It became a hit single and found chart success

(00:44):
in several countries and peaked at number fourteen on the
Billboard Hot one hundred. The music video is directed by
Devo member Gerald Casally and currently has twenty two million
views on YouTube. You think it'll be more? Right?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I know? Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Only well it was only uploading not long ago that
that Warner Brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, the Warner Brothers Vault. So guys, what is your
history with Evo's whipp It?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, while I'm wearing my energy don't hat now, I
was gonna wear mines. I have one? You have one? Yeah?
Did you wear it for like a Halloween thing or.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, we played. I played a Halloween show as Divo
nice me and my wife and ah, and then after
I DJed a at eighties club and I dressed up
like Divo too. So I actually have the I have
the actual whipp it outfit.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
The turtleneck with the cutoff sleeves.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
And then I also have the one with the where
just says Devo with the cutoff shorts and then no
sleeves and then ice socks.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's a good look, huh.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
I like that love It's an easy easy yeah, easy
and comfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
I went to like the craft store and just bought
the iron on Devo letters. I just ironed them on
and I had that side. I got the Energy Dome
and I was good.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Sorry, the most expensive thing is the Energy Dome. It's
probably not even that expensive.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Actually, I actually they are. They're kind of like I
think they're like thirty to forty bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
The official Energy Dome, the official ones.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah, but I got mine because I d did that
party and the drew our friend. Do you hear? I go, well,
I'll do the party, but you gotta let me have
this energy, don't He's like okay, because he bought two
of them, or he bought I think he had four
of them for it was like his kids and his wife.
They all dressed up like Divo.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's cute.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
It's a classic, look huh. Iconic definitely, sure, people like
get it right away.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Right, it's I mean yeah, especially with this music video
has been viewed millions of times, more than twenty for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
But Devo, man, I mean that's a that's a classic,
you know.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
I mean as far as a go to song, go
to party songs, iought was a pretty rocking like yeah here,
once you hear the high hatched, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Like everybody's like, yeah, it's gonna be fun, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
And club wise, like or even any party, like you
can kind of see like the energy like start to
build up and maybe like the wackiness and the cookiness
kind of comes out of people, you know, especially if
you're familiar with the video and and just the idea
of Devo alone. But yeah, it's it's always a hit
for me. At least, it's one of those songs I
can go back to over and over. I don't think
I've ever seen the video, and I don't recall ever

(03:02):
hearing it for the first time, I just knew it
was just such a it was just everywhere. It was
just everywhere. So I couldn't really pinpoint when I first
heard it because you were like, what three years old when, yeah,
that's yeah, So I don't really know remember the exact
time for sure. In the Philippines it was. It was
pretty big in the Philippines as far as the sound,
the song and.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
All the different continents in Asia, they were like huge already.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah. Yeah, but I think you guys saw Devo and
they played.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I've Darker Ways, Yes, like five or six, it's the
Dark Ways.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I'm sorry. It was Cruel World, crul World.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, so that's another band that i'd like to see
just because.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
They're fun and energetic live even for their age. That
was like easily top three of Cruel World. The Cruel
World Bill.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
And I heard in an interview it's one of the
things that they wanted to change, like if they're gonna
play live, it has to be something that's completely different
from what's been recorded. So they they made it like
a thing for them to do, like if we're going
to do this live, we have to do something special
and not just copy what was on the record. So
apparently you guys are saying it's pretty it's pretty good,
right right, A.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Full on fucking show.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeahs performance you know, visual arts, and that's where they
come from.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, they change outfits in the middle. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Does sound fun for me?

Speaker 4 (04:17):
This is a record that my parents had in the
collection when I was a kid, so I would listen
to it all the time on the record player. I
don't know. I think when I was young, break dancing
music you know, wiki wiki, wiki wiky all that kind
of stuff was like, you know, big, and then I
think that was just when I heard this stuff, I
was like, oh, it sounds kind of like the electronics
of it, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
And hearing the mini move, the mini mogue and all.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
The sense and you know the way they look they're
kind of nerdy, and I was like, oh, it's come
pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
It's probably around the same time like Revenge of the
Nerds came out, and you know all those eighties movies,
you know, and so you see them everywhere. You know,
their influence, and then MTV they were like one of
the early videos and MTV that I that would play
all the time that I would see when I was
a kid, latchkey kid at home, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Uh yeah, Because like back then, MTV, even though they
were still starting for content and the what was one
of the first bands to actually like make a video
before the video boom happened MTV started out. And I think, yeah,
they shot this before MT was even a thing yet.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
They had, Yeah, they had the three videos. This is
the third video for the album that they shot. Gerald
says Casella.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
You know where the Wookies live the planet.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
That's actually right.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Casal is the Filipino word for a wedding for getting.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Married American accent, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
He was saying that. I mean, it was really cool.
I listened to I listened to this one interview that
they did only about music videos. So it was Sam
and Mark mothers block, and they were like talking about
early MTV days and they were talking about like, oh yeah,
they were so hard up for video content. We already
were making videos, so we were just able to give
them to them, right, And then he talks about like
there was only like four good videos on MTV. It's

(06:05):
like us, it was ashes to Ashes, and it was
the Buggles and the rest of the stuff was just
like live yeah, concert footage or yeah yeah, and he
did like concert trash.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
He's like Boston's more than a feeling. Probably it was right,
but he.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Was talking about like it was. It was crazy because
they were on MTV and they had no money because
MTV doesn't pay you to play the videos. You're giving
them the videos for free publication. They had to pay
for their own videos. The record company didn't pay for
the videos. And like this video was like fifteen thousand.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Right, fifteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
They were still poor, Like they were going places and
they couldn't get home because they didn't have enough money
for plane rides and stuff like that. So it was
just kind of wild.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Anyone's curious. Fifteen thousand dollars in twenty twenty four inflation
is fifty four thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Now, shit, wait, fifteen thousand dollars is only fifty four thousand.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, it hit yeah back in nineteen eighty. Fifteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Is expecting more for some reason.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
But still that's a good term for your investment. Right,
four grand waiting for you right here.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
And it was the years.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
It wasn't until until like MTV, and then also a
couple radio DJs that flipped the album over to play
whip it with what they started getting.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Right because they wanted Girl You Want. They expected Girl
you Want to be the single yeah, for the Freedom
of Choice album.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
And they have a video for that too. It's it's
so weird.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
So yeah, girl you Want.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
You know what, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Back in our thrift store shopping for records days, Divo
albums were plenty, right, there's there's so many.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Eat them a choice. They're all scratched up.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
And but then you'd always find a few of them, right.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
But this is one thing I think and it applies
to me as well, because Diva. We know Diva, right,
and then you play the record of the album, it's
hard to get. You know, it's not as accessible as
you would think because you're expecting other whip you know,
like we besides songs like that.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
But no, not at all.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
It's like, you know, it's very quirky, right, It's got
a lot of stop starts and just the way that
they construct songs. It's not your average pop band or
even rock band for that matter.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
No, they do weird timing, time signatures, and their influences
are like insane like son Rai and you know, and
then early you know John Cage and Roxy Music.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah yeah, Brianino. I didn't know that he produced their
first album. Oh yeah, yeah, that's insane to me.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
But it's weird, like they even say, like, well it's
not Roxy music is one of our big influence, but
it's not really their pop songs.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's definitely not like their.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Synth sound when Brianino played synth, which was like a yeah,
you know, it wasn't even so it's like even their
influences are just like pieces of a piece of a
pop song.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
It's so weird.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
It's more of an influence as in I want to
make music too, rather than I want to make that
kind of music.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, I want to be weird like that.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
But the thing was like they were they were actually
like very visual at first, you know, music came in
kind of right. They're very they're artists, you know, it's
from the very core that the great intentions of creating
these experimental videos with music for all them composing the
music with it too.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
It's a rare thing that I guess, and to see
in music also and coming from like the eighties and
stuff like that is their working class, if not even
a little bit below working class, maybe barely struggling working class.
And they had the drive to become artists, right, which
you don't really find that a lot, especially like you know,
it's usually like, oh, I'm good artists. But my you know,
my parents own Diamond Mind in South Africa, you know,

(09:22):
like you know, my dad gave me a couple of
million dollars vic.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
They're definitely like self made, yeah, yeah, exactly, and and
and the thing was that, yeah, but they still had
enough funds or to go to Kent State.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, and their state school, right and then.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
But yeah, like that was apparently the whole you know,
Kent State massacre. That was a triggering moment for the
band members to instead of just becoming hippies, become actual activists. Yeah,
through art of course, through art though, you know. And
that's what yeah, like Bob and Gerald actually it was Gerald,
right who who had a friend several friends, Yeah, who

(09:59):
got shot in that. That's nuts because that's such a
historical moment and we still talk about it to this
very day, right, Yeah, that's the history.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
They like joined the Communist Club or something like that,
right or that or something like that. Yeah, so was
such a weird band because I see them as it's
and this is gonna be a contract. Don't don't at me, bro,
But I really see them as like the original punk band. Right,
they're fucking punk even in like the mid sixties, they're
already like fuck establishment and their ideal and they're real
about it.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
It's right, they're not like they never stopped then, they
never stopped. And even the ironic sense that they became commercial,
they were still very punk about.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
They were like, oh, it's because they're in on the
joke and that's what makes it like, Well, the thing
was that what they were trying to say was we
can't really fight it. We had to fight within, you know,
like yeah, in the system in order to tear it down.
I think it's a Simpson's quote too, you know, like
he's slowly tearing it down from the inside.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Remember that that line he says.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
And that's true, and that's really what you have to do, right,
Like you need your foot in the door before you
can actually make a difference.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
And I think that's one of their their core values.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
And they got into the system on their own vision,
which is like, oh really you like that song? You
see it that way? Okay, we'll go with it. Yeah,
all right, that's fine. You think whip it's about masturbation. Yeah, sure,
that's about masturbation. You know.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, it's it's smart, like they're they're pulling the strings,
you know. It's like and you know it.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
Sadly, they never really made a lot of money, right,
they always talk about we never really made a lot
of money. But they're pretty smart with like keeping their
publishing rights. Yeah, they would never give that up. But again,
as far as like making millions, not not necessarily, I
think barely just starting to.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, they're making money now, yeah, by licensing.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's always like that with these like original artists.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
And I just bought like a funko pop of Divas Whippings.
Oh really yeah, so yeah, I'm sure they're getting what
like twenty five cents out of that on that transaction.
Back then, they weren't playing to be commercial, you know,
they weren't. They were a brand, but they were a
counterculture brand. They well that was the intention, right, right,
that was the intention, you know, they were. They're they're
just kind of like hey, you know, like we hate capitalism,

(11:55):
we hate the right wing part of government and just
the unearned authority, their anti all that stuff. And but
then you know, as a kid back in the day,
I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
To me.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Of course, Whip It was just a fun song, yeah,
you know, like when I first heard her, like, yeah,
whip it, yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
And we didn't know the other stuff behind it, like
the other music.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
No, we had no clue. Even in our twenties, we
still didn't know.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
No, it wasn't until well, they released the Hardcore Devo album,
which is like the early stuff and like the original
Whippet and stuff like that. And then I went to
that concert, which was fucking rad.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
It was so good. Where did they play.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
They play at the will Turn for that sh and
then it was kind of like they would play like that.
It was weird. They would play the album and like
do all like the weird samples, and they would do
the samples of like talking, do all this stuff, and
then they would stop and give a little context and
then go into the song too. It was really really cool, nice,
and it was when the guitar players Bob the the
guitar players when he died, so it was kind of

(12:50):
like a tribute to him. So they had like these
like Bob shirts.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I bought one.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
It was like fucking cool. And I didn't know about
that stuff until until then. But it makes it's so weird,
Like it makes sense that, especially like this album comes
out in nineteen eighty, that's when Reagan gets fucking nominated,
and that was like their worst fear. And I could
relate to that because when the Trump thing happened, it
was like, what the fuck's gonna happen? But I can't
even imagine being like forty years later, no, getting a

(13:15):
little bit famous and having a little bit of a
punk sensibility and then me like, this motherfucker is dumb
fucking actor who can't even fucking talk, is going to
be the president for you know, everybody loves him and
he's destroying he's killing all the unions.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
He's everything that I was making, what was making America solid.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Yeah, and he's a he's an actor, he's not anything.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
So now he's basically like I mean, back as a kid,
right like growing up in that whole Reagan administration, I
didn't know any better, you know, and I thought like, oh, Reagan.
You know, he seems like a cool guy, seems like
America to look it seems to be prospering under his thing.
But that's all that guy. Like, as I get older
and I realized what his policies did to things, they're
still reverberating now, like you know, killing out unions. There's saying,

(14:00):
you know, no, he's horror he was horrible. Yeah, and
and you know back then too, like they demonized Jimmy Carter.
You know, he wasn't the most interesting president for sure,
but at least he kind of kept it.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
He's a lifelong civil servant.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, he cared for the people. Yeah, like Reagan just
like fuck you you know, like, yeah, I'll rubber stamp
everything my donors would get me, and this is anyway
we can totally go political.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
But I think that was a big, big what what
Actually it was the Kent State thing and then and
then the Reagan thing, and the Reagan thing goes into
this video which is a pretty much fuck you to Reagan.
The women video, which is crazy.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
And Gerald Casal is like his original like kind of
built up to Divo was the whole the evolution right
where the name comes from. Of course, and just like
everybody just conforming and just kind of like regressing as
a society.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
And I think, right, it's like, you.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Know, voting against your interests is for the evolution, because
you know, they're they're like these uh kind of like
these free thinkers, you know, like these guys are artists,
are like they want to break it down where it's
like it's not for everybody, right, Like it's hard to
kind of get that.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Idea, especially if you're if you're just into music, and
because you know, they have like this philosophy behind it
and in order to do that, that's why they're pretty
lucky to actually combine the music and with the visuals
that they did, and it's still didn't really take off, right,
Like I didn't really know all the stuff that they shot.
I don't know if you guys ever seen that, Yeah,
all those crazy videos.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Videos something yeah, oh yeah, insane.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
I was like, wow, it's very like you know, you're
getting into like surrealists visuals.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's like, wow, that's that's some cool stuff.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Well that's the thing. I remember like when I was
maybe in high school, I saw some of like the
Oingo Boingo stuff and I was like like movies and
stuff like that. I'm like, oh, this stuff's crazy. These
guys are crazy, but it's they're just fucking copying Deepo.
Divo did it first with their own money, with like
little tiny you know it, with little studio funding.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
But I think Divo definitely did pave a way for No.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
No, yeah, they I mean yeah, I mean they stole
their own things, right, No, but no, not a horn
section though.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
That's a differentiation.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Scot there's there's right they're from. We gotta love them.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
The thing that always gets me back to the punk
rock thing is like these guys aren't like rich artists.
They're just working class dudes who hey, let's just scrap
some film together and do something because for no reason
for they're artists, they're just wild, which is crazy, Like
nobody does that anymore, but everybody is art to post
it on Instagram or something like that.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Basically it's a different outlet now, which ties into their
own ideal of like the evolution. It's like, no, they conformity, right,
that's what everybody's doing, so I'm going to do it too.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
They're like, no, funk that, you know, I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Be as weird as possible, and you got to accept
it or we don't even care.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
They don't care exactly, we don't care.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
We'll be poor, we don't care.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I mean, can't get more punk rock than that, right,
And it's like, you know, like back then, it's like
I didn't think, you know, of course the synthesizers didn't
make me think, because I thought punk was a was
just a style of music. But no, it's it's an ideal.
It's an idea, you know. And and that's and Devo's
definitely motives in creating art was very punk rock, subversive
f the establishment kind of.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Thing supposed to make you think. Did you read it behind?

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Did you read the part about when they met the
sex Pistols?

Speaker 3 (17:10):
No?

Speaker 4 (17:10):
No, no, no, okay, So I read the book right.
I was reading the book, and this book is really
really good. It's actually about the Freedom of Choice album.
It's the thirty three and a third. It's really good
to read. It's a debot book like they do them
about albums.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Oh okay.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
They usually get a different writer and they go really
deep and it goes by a song by song and
they talk about one. So for Whippe they talk about
the time that they met the sex Pistols, so they
were signed to the same record label as sex Whistles,
And when sex Miistles came to America, they were actually
staying together. They were because Divo was so like poor
that when they when they toured, they would stay at

(17:45):
like different punk rock fanzines houses and stuff on their couches,
and that's so like weird in punk rock hardcore, you know.
They were doing it even like in nineteen seventy nine,
you know, or nineteen seventy eight, and they were staying
out a place and that, and the sex Pistles stood
there too, and they met like Johnny Ryan, and they
were like huge sex Whistles fans. They were like, oh yeah,
these guys are like fucking antire everything and stuff like that.

(18:07):
But then they really met them and they met like
sid Vicious and they're like, oh wait, this guy is
just like he doesn't have a personality. They were all
talking about like politics or fucking punk or whatever, and
he was like a far away on the side and
he was just like staring at them. And then there's
a glass on the table, right and he's just like
pushing it slowly, slowly and like looking to see if
anybody's looking at him, and then he would just like

(18:28):
throw it off the counter to let it shatter, and
then he was just like looking at everybody and they
were just like what like he didn't get a rouse
out of anybody, and yeah, they were just like yeah,
we're talking over here, you know yeah, and like they're like, oh,
this guy just like he just wants attention for doing
like their stuff. Yeah, and they're like, oh okay, Like
that's when they found out like, oh okay, John Lyden

(18:48):
like he's a really cool guy. And at that time,
Richard Branson owned that record company, and Richard Branson called
them and said.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Hey, you know what we we want?

Speaker 4 (18:57):
We love Devo, John Lydon loves Devo. Sex pistoles just
broke up. How about get John Line into seing for Devo?
And they were just like, you know what, like we're
a little bit different. I don't think it's gonna work out.
But yeah, that's just like a crazy, like weird story
that could have happened. But imagine it would have been Yeah,
maybe I don't know, maybe there'd be no pill.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
WHOA, that's a that's an interesting thing to think about, Like,
you know, like timeline to think of about, right, No, yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
They said that they were they were hanging out with
sid and and and Nancy and all that stuff, and
that night the sex Fistles broke up. It was like
on their American tour and everything imploded.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, I don't I remember the Dallas leg of that
sex Pistoles tour where it went really bad for him.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
That might have been it.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
They were staying at some like I forgot what punk
rock fanzine it was, but they were staying at the
whoever puts that on. They said that they were sleeping
on the zines because there was enough room in the
little place that they're like sleeping on piles of zines.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
But it's just like weird ship that you don't think
about that you don't know and you're just like, oh wow,
Yeah they were connected, and you know, and I think
Mark contemporary Mark, I think Mark mother said that he
was in a band with not Blondie, who was it?
Forgot who the Pretenders, Christy Heine, Christy Heine before Divo.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, Like it's just like there's so much from Akron Ohio.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, there's just all these like kind of
connections that you would never think.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Right, And if you watch Pistol at Hulu, you know
Christy Hines is a pretty important character in that series.
He looked up with Steve Jonesler. Well, it's no spoiler
is in real life that happened fifty years ago. So okay,
So what else do you want to talk about?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Though?

Speaker 2 (20:37):
With Devo being punk rock and counterculture.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
One of the weird interesting things that I read of actually,
in an interview Mark Mothersbo talks about how when he
was a little kid, he used to get his brothers
and sisters albums and scratch him on purpose, so then
they would skip, and when they would skip, he would
write music to the skip because it would be.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Like loop, yeah, loop.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
So he was making his own loops on vinyl and
then he would write on just like a little piano
that he had in his house. So when he was
a little kid, he was already like in some kind
of weird ass yeah, musical fucking traditional. Yeah, So he
just grew up kind of like I don't know if
he's got the tism or not, but like, you know,
he's got I never heard that, you know, he sees

(21:23):
music in another way?

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
And then to meet other people who also see it
that way is kind of crazy.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah, their music making is is not your regular way
of making music, but they work well together. That's what
he was talking about when I was listening to that interview.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I mean, he also makes like beautiful music for sound.
I mean, you know TV, the Rugrats things and Wes
Anderson movies.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Right, it's like him and Danny Elfman, just that little
rivalry gone.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Another thing, Right, there's another thing that Dally Elfman is.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
All right, so we'll be right back after these messages
for some pop quiz. All right, it's time for the
pop quiz.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Okay, So the band Divo got its name from what
philosophic concept a the evidence E de evaluation C, de
evolution DD eviction, uh, the evolution. They got that concept
and before they started the band, they actually made the
whole band around.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
That that concept. And then that's that's freaking cool. Diva
must be spinning in their above graves right now since
they're you know, they're still mostly alive, that you know
what's happening right now, because it does feel.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Like a devolution exactly what they were thinking about all
this time, right, this.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Is what they feared for and it's happening again. And
that's why when we saw them A Darker Waves, Our
Cruel World, they were like, yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
And everything are angry man?

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Okay, Ryan? Yes? What rolling song song does Devo cover
on their first album A Sympathy for the Devil? B
can't get No Satisfaction see Ruby Tuesday, r d.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
NG No Paint of Black. I'm gonna have to go
with satisfaction to either.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Of you guys.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, Like, first time I heard that song was U
was that Scarsese movie? It wasn't Good Fellas?

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Right? Or it was it Good Fellas or version?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, the Devo version of it?

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I think so, yeah, Casino or one of those movies.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
And when I first heard it's like I can get
the those faction Like I just thought like, wait, this
sounds very familiar, but I have no idea what sing it?

Speaker 5 (23:31):
It was?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Div I'm like, oh, of.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Course they got They got asked in an interview that
I watched, what are their favorite times that their music
was used? Because it's been used a lot, right, and
one of them was that. The next one is this
question what Divo song whip? It was featured in a
two thousand and three ad for what product Hey slim
fast b swift Er wet jet ce tied with bleach

(23:53):
r D, Jiffy Loube.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Jiffy Loob, swimt first.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
So one was yeah, one was was that the Martin scart,
says he and two was the swift wedge.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
And apparently too saying that instead of he can't say
swift it because they will cost him a lot more money,
becaid swift it instead of saying you got a swiffer,
you know, which sounds really bad in hindsight, but the
concept of swift it would cost them more money.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Well, it's because they need to do bigger punch in
on the on the recording probably so right, and he's
probably charging him to do the punch.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
And so he also.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Re record the whole thing, like uh, you know, to
every time they use it, just so that they can
keep the publishing right. That's what I'm saying about that,
you know what I mean, Like that's a pretty smart
move because that's the only way they can really make
big money on it.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah. Yeah, And they said that they the reason why
they love that one so much is because it's like, hey, man,
our music is so fucking weird. Now you cheap are
using any of your fucking commercials, you know, like, yeah,
you guys have just gotten dumber.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
You know, like like now they're inside and then now
there are is kind of like it's like a cancer.
Then it's spreading now, you know in some ways.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
And you know who saw that kind of you know
what their motivations are was Kurt Cobain. He considered them
so like, these guys know what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
These guys are so fund One of David Bowie's favorite
bands is DeVos.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
They were just supposed to work with it, right, yeah, yeah, workut.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
He was like, oh, I got want some paintbox pro projects.
Guys got it.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Here and Briani knows the same thing. Brian Eno saw
them and wanted to work with them. Brian O like
there's so like a lot of the no wave bands
wanted to work with Brianino and he did do like
a compilation with but with only what he thought were
the best songs. He wouldn't work with the band. He's
just like, no, I like that song, I will produce
that song. But he's just like, no, I don't want
to work with you. Yeah, but he saw them. He's like, no,

(25:44):
I want to produce your guys' album, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
The entire album. That's a song, your entire album.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Even Slow Dive he only produced like two songs off
of that, and he asked for writing royalties, and Neill says, like,
you didn't fucking write this song, but I guess I'll
give you some writing royals.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Because you have your name attached. That's I mean, he's
a brand, you know he is. He's a corporate he's
his corporation himself. He's a dot cop.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
He's a brand that Devo got into.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Trying the song Whippe. It is featured in what nineteen
eighties Devo album Freedom of Choice A B Total Divo
see New Traditionalists r D Oh.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
No, it's Devo Freedom of Choice. There you go.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Every he's getting it like I'm giving you a softball.
They're super zombie ding ding Ding's okay, this is such
an important, important song and video. I didn't want to
go with my weird You know what is the what
monkeys like a de evolution? I'm going to give you
guys a monkey quiz. I'm actually getting you put it
up by the time.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Oh, oh, man, I was, I was boning up my
my primates.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
And go a little deep, you know how.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
The akron Ohio band Divo featured drummer Alan Myers. I'm
sorry Alan Myers, right, and which two sets of brothers
Barls and James Lloyd and Fargo Martin and Coy case
Sally I'm sorry in Mother's baugh the.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Last one because thousand Mother's baw.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Another weird thing. Right, that's a brother not.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Since Duran Durant. That sets a brothers hookup and be
so in sync with each other.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Ryan.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Their debut album was this nineteen seventy eight classic album
A New Traditionalists B Freedom of Choice, c oh No's
Divo or d Q Are We Not men A We
Are Devo?

Speaker 3 (27:28):
And there you go. Yeah. I love that cover too, man,
it's so good.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Apparently the face that they used on there was was
an amalgamation of US presidents at that time. Oh really yeah,
like they say, like Jimmy Carter's face is in their
Eisenhower's face and all.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
That that was. I think it resonated with me because
it's very mad magazine, right it does?

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Ye, well, they are very magazine.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, that's their era.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, they're born nineteen fifty and they were thirty when
when they first came up with their album. Then their
thirties are ready thirty and you know, and that's that
kind of posca somehow. I just imagine in them being
in there young and like punk. They're way older than
Johnny Rotten, but they're.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Like, yeah, they started with like in seventy four or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, I guess so, yeah, in their mid twenties, but still.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Nineteen seventy Devo appeared like wearing what color jumpsuit ship
A red B green, ce black? Are you yellow?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
D yellow?

Speaker 4 (28:23):
You are correct?

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I saw a clip of it.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Then apparently the John belue she stole their cocaine. Really,
he snorted their DeVos into drugs, and every story in
this book cocaine is around.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
There's two things that are for sure. Aids aren't around
yet and cocaine is around, like they.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Talk about, you know, To be honest, I never really
thought of him as that same.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, like Mark Mozabo says that, like, yeah, like you know,
cocaine's around, but like it just he tried it and
he just wasn't his thing.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Okay, people found her mark. Mothersbar wrote the themes for
this kid show A The Fairy Odd Parents, B SpongeBob
square Pants, see Inspector, Gadget or.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
D rug Rats to rut.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, we already presented. This is why I hate asking
good questions. I like asking weird questions about that don't
make any how. The Devil album Shout featured a cover
of this Jimmy Hendrick song A Purple Hayes B you
are Experience ce Hey, Hey, Joe our d Foxy lady.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
It is are you experienced experience?

Speaker 4 (29:32):
I might have got you with that one.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
A lot of covers aged man.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Satisfaction.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Satisfaction of this one, Yeah, Ryan, Devil founder maker.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Mothers Bar wrote the score for which of these movies
A Little Miss Sunshine be Royal? Tennebond d I mean
see Juno r D Shakespeare in Love.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
I guess it's ten of Moms right, it is royal?

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Tennebox got to miss a question here, A lot of strict.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Mister Anderson's talent. Two thousand and eight, devas suit Fast
Food Chain for introducing a toy called new Wave Nigel
was it a Burger King B McDonald's see Windy r
D Taco Bell.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Shit, I actually don't know this one, so I would say,
Taco Bell.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
You're wrong. McDonald's did it. They they made these things
for all like music. They made new wave Nigel and
he had energy Dome and they sued him because they
owned the rights to the energy Dome.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Oh shit, that's awesome. Can you get those? Where can
you get those?

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Probably like Frankenson's at the McDonald the McDonald's What.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Year did they come up with that? On two thousand
and eight?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
I don't remember a thing like that. I remember there
was other music stuff too.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, it was like a rock guy and then like
a hip hop little figure and the newave Nigel.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, that's a that's a little that's a little bowld
of McDonald's through the Energy Dom part.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
In two Ryan. In nineteen eighty seven, Devo release Easy
Listening Disc, an album made entirely of what a Latin
music B drums, C muzak are d silence musak muzak
is correct.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
They also did their kids pop album where they did
all their songs as kids.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Wait, wait, how does that like as kids? A kids
singing their song Oh cute?

Speaker 4 (31:24):
In nineteen ninety six, Divo released This for All, an
album of previous recorded tracks called Adventures of What Adventures
of a Society of Anarchy B Adventures of the Smart
Patrol see Adventures of the Two Bobs are d Adventure
of Divo and Sons.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh my god, I have to guess on this one.
Uh two bobs?

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Nope, b A smart Patrol, Smart Patrol.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Smart Patrol.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I can't imagine Devo being a you know, authoritarian police,
anti a cab.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Members of the band Divo for live as a Christian
soft rock bound called what they used to open up
for themselves back in the days. A Dove, B Evolution
C Judas Incarnate are d the Crown of Thorns.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I'm gonna go with Juice Incarnate.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Nope, it's a dove.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Really Divo. It's a brilliant of Divo.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, really brilliant.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Like what was the second one? I was good to evolution? Evolution?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, like the chocolate and the SOMs, right chocolate.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Which member of Divo directed the video for the Food
Fighters all Stick Around?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
That is Jeral Cassal.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yeah, you have to read it for you you go,
Alan myerst Ryan, Yes, who replaced Jim Mothersbaugh on drums
when he left Divo in nineteen seventy eight. You I
just said, what DIVA song? Did Sound Garden cover?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Oh Ship?

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Hey, whip it? B I need a chick? See girl?

Speaker 3 (33:12):
You want?

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Are the automodown ship?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I don't know, but I would automo down?

Speaker 3 (33:20):
No girl? You want girl? You want to? Just good?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Does he like rant on about the lyrics for a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
I can't even imagine them, imagine them covering us.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
You know when you when you want a girl, it's
just not about wanting a girl. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (33:41):
What was Robert mother Bough's nickname in the band, Bob Hope,
Bob the Red Hat, Bob One or Bob the Builder.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Bob One Bob guess because there's two right.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Devo song Whip It was featured in the two thousand
and three at for what product Hey Tequila spa b
Martini ranch ce tied with Bleach r D Gin Flower pajamas.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I'm gonna go with gin pajamas.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Nope, it's Martini ranch.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
What the hell's a Martini ranch?

Speaker 5 (34:20):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (34:20):
That any ranch?

Speaker 4 (34:21):
It's a product. I don't know what the fuck it is.
It must be ranch dressing martini.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Ranch geor drinking martinis right now. And I certainly won't
put ranch dressing on it. It might make it more flavorful, though,
but little more tang.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
And those are those are my questions.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Wow, interesting, interesting, Yeah, like you know, it was predictable
at first, but sorry, they got hitting us in the end. Right,
let's getting this video and we'll be talking about the
music video after these messages, all right, it's not going
to music video for a whippat. So it starts out
with a flipping image of Mark mothers of law and
the girl his whip interest. In this one, they're flipping over.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Have you ever seen the Ridge? The full length video?
You know how it ends? And the TV So at
the beginning they're like watching TV.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, it's like a whole like, no, I haven't seen that.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
I think it's part of that thing, right, it's part
of like their movie the visuals, So the.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Whip teas thing is part of them watching it on TV.
Yeah yeah, oh okay, that makes sense because that that
was the kind of like.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Whoa like that that's why it ends weird too, right,
so but yeah, that's that's kind of like, but who
cares like, let's just talk about the video video.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So it starts up with the word whip teas written.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
In rope, you know, which is awesome.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
It's that picture of him and the and the and
the you know, the the girl and he's looking at
her and she's looking at him, and I just thought
it was hilarious the way it's composed.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
They say that they took a lot of the images
from like old yeah comics right that they that they
found from like the fifties of cowboys. Yeah, that's why
they got the whip rope writer, right.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
And yeah. So it's basically like painting the settings literally
of this music video. It's like a play, right, like
a stage play. It's like someone just designed a set
paint hand painted and everything.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
It's so pretty though, like the colors and everything in
the even the the lighting and stuff. I'm like, this
is a very well made like it looks like artsy
you know, like yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, a guy, I'm sure, like a group or a
guy literally, Like I think there's an i m dB
credit on the artists who designed the set. Okay, and
it's actually a guy who designed murals in l A
back in the day, back in the day. I'm not
sure if he's still you know, doing stuff, but but yeah,
like a Jocks or Zox or something. His name is
his street name or his business name. And he just

(36:31):
that shock that they're in that dude ranch thing. Yeah,
it's all hand painted.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Man very kitch, you know, like that kind of stuff
like John Waters. It's absolutely you guys read about where
they got the idea from the dude ranch. This actor
who supposedly like was down on his lug, he bought
a dude ranch in Arizona.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I think they were at the Yeah, yeah, he brought
him and his wife live there. But he also kind
of he would clothes.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
That's how we made money, that he would have what he.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
Would have live with him, but like every like New
Afternoon or something, he would have people watch him whip
the clothes off.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Right, So that was kind of a cool, like little backstory.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
And I love the fact that Reagan coming up and
Reagan being this fucking fake TV cowboy. He's not a
real cowboy. He's a fucking actor from la and he's
like selling himself as this cowboy and they're like, look
at this fucking cowboy guy. He's whipping his wife for money,
you know, like for strangers, and they're just like this
is like the most ironic thing, and like they want
these people want a cowboy to like be their president.

(37:30):
He will like sell his own wife out for money.
This is like the best music video idea ever. It's
so weird. Ye reading that article, I would never get
that thinking like oh, we should do a video on this,
which fucking blows my mind.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
But that's the thing. They're always coming from from the
left field, you know, like the way they they're.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Just the way they think it's it's you know, like
you just got like, oh, we can make something up.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
It's purposeful, you know.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
I mean reading the way they talk about their art,
in how they structure their band as a whole, as
a whole art project, makes me think about I'll never
be an artist. I don't even think a percentage.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Sure, just you don't have to take their personally.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
I get it, but it's just like it's so out
there and I'm like, yeah, when I hear you, I
hear you. Though, So when I when I'm doing something,
I'm like, oh, this is fucking deep art. I'm like
Devo would make fun of me for we're thinking this
is deep art, you.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Know, well, I think part of it is they're smart
enough or they're self aware enough to not take themselves
too seriously.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, and Devo hears you. They're like, that sounds really good, Louis,
you know, like execution wise, but like you know, they'll
have their own opinions, but they're.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Not going to stop you, you know, because there it's
art for the sake of art, right if it's shitty,
they could be like, we could use that shitty art
in this way. Yeah, yeah, you know, can they say it?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Comparison is a thief of joy, you know. Start like,
if you're already making art and you're already comparing yourself
to somebody else, it's over.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
It's over.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
You're not making shit at all.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
So my view on art is art is always art.
Even if like I don't believe in your art because
you're doing it for the wrong reason, it's still art
and I'm still good. I'm not going to shore on.
I'm gonna be like, yeah, you know, that's cool. You
know that's your ar, do you do? You know that's
just the way it is, right, because you can't even
if they're doing it for the wrong reason. You got
to respect that they're doing it and they're going to

(39:13):
have some people come look at it, and you got
to respect that, because how many people look at my art?

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I don't you know.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
It's like you got to respect whoever's selling art, because
you're putting yourself out there, even if you're putting it
out there for the wrong reasons, right, and you're still
putting it out And.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
If every art was put down and nothing would ever
be created because everybody is just like shitting on everything.
So exactly, I'm just staring it back into the video here.
There's a couple of questions. One, all right, we'll talk
about the music video the lady that she's kind of
crossied' she's visually impaired a little bit, right, ye, because
she was trying to shoot the cowboy, right and then

(39:47):
you can kind of you see the camera like like
in beer goggles.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, right, So I did you kind of did you
understand what that was about?

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I do not know what that means in the context
of the song.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
She's the only different one, right, right, and just I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
If she's actually naturally cross sided and just decide to
play upon upon that fact. She's a beautiful girl very yeah,
and just like I can't imagine like Mark was saying,
oh she's cross eyed. This knew something with that, right, No,
so okay, we're gonna we're gonna get deep. Let's get
deep in it, all right.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
So what you look at the woman who is with
the food and with the mom, the mom, and then
there's the girl who the cowboy goes in has sex with,
and she's the cross eyed one, right, and then there's
the woman who's getting whipped.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Right.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
If you look at them closely, I don't they're not Asian,
but they look pan asian Ish. They all kind their
eyes are have you know, they do have kind of
like a pan Asian look, which is not that far
away from like Indian, right, so like kind of American
Indian native, right, they got a native look.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I'm getting more of an Eastern European vibe from the
mom though.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
I mean, this is nineteen eighties representation of This is
what I think is that they're supposed to be kind
of representing Native American because they're like in some kind
of thing. It's their home. These cowboys are outside drinking,
having fun, fucking around. They obviously look white. Yeah, right,
for sure, oh yeah, yeah, so you know, the mom

(41:10):
is making food, the other girl is very domestics. Yeah,
she's like kind of entertaining them by shooting the cans.
The other one is kind of entertaining them by getting
the whip thing right, And it's like these white people
are on their property, taking advantage of them. They're taking
their entertainment, they're taking their food, they're going and having

(41:30):
sex with them, and it's almost like taking over of
the prairie, you know, like of the land. This is
what I this is my I didn't read this anywhere.
This is that's an interpretation of the video. I'm wondering,
like why do they all kind of have this like
entitlement towards them? And then also this kind of a
nineteen eighties version of you know, Native American. Look, it's

(41:52):
a nineteen eighties version of it. Now it's like it's
actually a native looking people, right, but they they just
got off of like Venice Beach Boulevard, because they just
got people off of ven Right to come and be
in the video. But like, okay, you kind of look native,
let's just bring you you maybe look kind of Mexican
ish native, let's just bring you you know, you have
darker skin other than these white people.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
You know, you think that was the intention of maybe
subconsciously that was the intention.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
No, I don't think that's the subconstantly, I think that's
the full intention.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
There.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
They're home, and I think I have a feeling that
devo Is is really not there, you know, and that
there's just a party going on, and that it's these
white people taking advantage of the home of.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
These minorities, native people, minorities, natives, right, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
They're taking their food, they're taking their you know, their women,
they're they're they're take they're using them as entertainment, you know,
and they're they're taking advantage of them. And it's these
it's these cowboys, these these these meccas of American society.
A cowboy the best thing in the world. The president
now is just stealing and then just taking what they

(43:03):
want and then getting drunk beer, you know, like and
they're just like fuck a commentary. Yeah, that's what I see.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I got out of it. I can see that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Also, I know the lyrics are supposed to be nonsensical, right,
like that's what they that's what he says. Yeah, but
I guess you know when there's when the problem comes along, right,
you miss whip It's kind of like it's.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Like it's it's the the thing of American cowboy, especially
eighties is like when a problem comes along, you pull
yourself up by your bootstraps. You know, you do it yourself.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
You know, there's also that manifest destiny of like, you know,
like it was meant you take it, Take whatever that's
there for you.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, it was yours all alone.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
You want a house, you go take that house? Off
that line?

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Do you know say that?

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I can see that, but that's kind of what I get.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Well, Like in the book they mentioned that the concept
of whip it, it's more of just a mockery of
the idea of you can do it, you'll fix the problem.
So like if a problem comes along, you was whip it.
Like so it's basically whip it is the idea of
just you figuring out how to solve it without really
any true solutions, and how to whip it, just that

(44:06):
you will whip it because you're awesome. Yeah, false positivity.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
In a way, we're cutting social Security benefits because you
could do it on your own.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
You're American Yeah, so that's kind of what I imagine
five year old me when the song came up would
never get that. I have no fucking clue to be
just a fun fucking song. I'm like, yeah, I can
dance of this.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
But the public saw it as.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Public saw it as a fun song too, a song
about you know, asturbations, right, and they went along with
it because they thought that's the best way to kind
of like if it's going.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
To be a hit.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Yeah, and they're like, we'll get the hit out there,
and then when we get an interviewed, we'll say, no,
that's not what it's about.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
But yeah, more so in this music video, right, you know,
the band's playing in their little side of the fence,
you know, four members of the band, and you got
Mark Martyrs about doing a little whipping thing and he
comes in freeing the camera and the darts out. That's
a great composition.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
No, that's the weird thing too, is it's all fenced
off there. Yeah, they're behind a fence, this bands behind
a fence. The families in these in the house. Yeah,
and then that the woman who's getting whipped is also
kind of fenced off from mark mother's law too, So like,
but you know he's able to you know, whip her.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
And yeah, and let's talk about the woman too. Right
at that time, she was a twenty year old who
worked at the bakery in Venice, California.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Venice Beach, Yah, Venice Beach.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
So apparently like Mark Masba and probably Bob or Gerald,
not sure which one of them. Gerald, Yeah, like sars
like hey, you know, like do you want to beat
in this music video? And apparently she already knows of
them and she's like yeah, sure and yeah, and because
they were like so enthralled by her awesome cheekbones, which
she does have awesome cheek bones. That's insane, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
She has a very like specific look.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
She looks very striking.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
She didn't wasn't anything else ever again, and she was
just in that that's it.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
And she's like, I mean, this one doesn't look twenty.
She looks like a full ground. She looks very mature,
you know, that very exotic beautiful woman. This is her name,
read it like it is Sheila spitz Cawmus, that's her name.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
They almost did like twenty four hours of recording. It
was like long days, and then she didn't eat and
She's like, there's I'm starving, like I need to eat something,
and they're like, oh yeah, go ahead and go behind
the tent. And she went behind the tent and they
were just piles of cocaine, so like nobody was eating
because they were all high on cocaine, you know. Like
so so they sent a pa to go get her

(46:34):
a hamburger and mcdonald'sye, McDonald's, and then so she ate
McDonald's because she was like fucking starving.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
That's not her jam. Apparently, I mean that was I
could only imagine the shock of that, like apparent like
lines and rails of cocaine. It's waiting for you there.
And apparently like if she breathes parted on that book.
They keep saying like that's the norm. Yeah, that's the
norm in Warner Brothers.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Apparently they found her, they asked her she wanted to
be in the video. She said yes. Then they took
her to shops that were around there to find outfits.
All right, outfits, right, so they got they went to
a lingerie shop and she got some laundry, and they
went to a dress shop and then they took her
straight to the to the video shoot and that's how
she didn't eat. And then the whole cocaine thing and
it was just like all like super quick. It's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I just can't imagine a mom doing a rail, you
know with creams.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
She's like, whoa, she's part of the person who cut
it all up as a job cutting up line.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
She's the line director, right, cut it we basically the
music video it's Mark Mater's about slowly whipping away, peeling
layers away from this lady, from Sheila. What makes me
uncomfortable is that she wasn't enjoying this. You know, she's
part of the show, but she wasn't enjoying this. She's
kind of like wincing. And as a grown adult now

(47:45):
seeing how problematic the world is, that that kind of
made me like, uh, you know, I can see why
people want to cancel the music video just because of
things like that, where it's like.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
For the for being canceled, yes recently or recently, but
also back then because that they thought it was misogynistic
and they also thought it was about m about masturbating.
They really wanted to cancel it. And then you know,
Divo did come out and it was like no, this
is like we're we're trying to show like, this is
what they want, This is what Reagan was selling. This
is what people are trying to sell what America is

(48:16):
a masculinity, and we're trying to be we're trying to
make fun of it, make fun of it and make
it ironic flat like they in real life, they would,
you know, they would never treat a woman like that.
They're just this is what these people do and they're
having fun and they're drinking, and this is what you
want to represent your country, and we don't think that's right.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
How about the recent it was just hard to be removed.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Well, it was just people watching it and saying this
is sexist and not really knowing anything about Divo, just
watching the video without any kind of context context behind
it and knowing that these guys people, right, yeah, they're
just you know, like if you're just like a layman,
you think that Divo is just just like one hit
wonder band, you know, you're not.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Real the normies, You're not music dork, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Like so, like I think it was more like some
people saw it on YouTube and just was like, what
the fuck is this? This is so bad? They're whipping
this woman and this is terrible, right, yeah, I could see.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
That people what I'm really looking at the true context
of it or yeah, reading about it or what.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Why people are just quick on the trigger anyway?

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Yeah, yeah, why is it relevant at the time they're
trying to modernize the idea of it when it what
makes a lot of sense now, but it makes complete
sets in nineteen eighty when Reagan But guess what Divo
wins man.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
All right, it created an effect on people, So it's
like enough where they would be called out on it,
what forty some years later, right, that's cool?

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Well and then also yeah, and Deva could and I
was afraid, like, oh, deal's going to take this down,
you know and be like oh, you know, we're sorry,
or there was like some kind of thing in front
of the video, but they're like, no, this is the context,
watching this context, and like fuck society and this notion
of the majestic cowboy winning the West. You know, that's
not a real thing, you know, so fuck John Wayne

(49:55):
is what they're saying.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Especially for them, that's the time they grew up in
you know, yeah, his Westerns, you know that was really
big and like.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
You got the bravado of a guy taking claim just
like he's just entitled. He's just going to go to
the house and take that woman trying to shoot him.
But you know, but apparently it looked like it was
consensual anyway, because she was taking them down with the window,
you know, So I don't know, maybe that's just fun
having fun.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Yeah, there's all this ship that's all mixed messages, but
you know, dancing with wolves and like White Saviors all
that kind of you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Touched upon that many times.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
You know, there's just all these weird things with like
the West and it's a whitewashing this contest and the
White Savior. It's just like there's a lot of weird
things that just don't fit and they're trying to pop
Is that for the masses in order to try to
know it's it's yeah, you know poke, you know, regging
in the eye. Do you like the lady when she's

(50:49):
whipping the whip cream? Because I've done that before and
it's so satisfying.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Trying to get it down.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Oh yeah, when you get it and you start whipping
and it's.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Ever done like rising, Yeah, yeah, you get it down
so good.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
I mean, it's so funny that when they were when
this song did get big, and then they talk about
how they would go into because they would have to
do radio spots, right yeah, And then the DJs would
be like, oh man, I just whipped it like three
times yesterday, and they're just like.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Okay, like yeah, I mean you gotta imagine the background. No, No,
DJ Softwareestlan DJ would be that upfront with the band
on a live show, unless than doing it off off
the record.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
No.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
No, they were doing it on the record on the air.
They were doing on the air at that time.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
They were just like, hey, you want to be shock Job.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Yeah, yeah, welcome in nineteen eighty Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah, man, I expected from like poor Man for sure.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
But no, everybody's trying to be that, you know, and
they're trying to you know, and they're like bringing on
this like weird band and they're trying to be like, man,
we're weird. You know, you were playing Devo.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
They're not playing Rick D's or something.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
They're not playing disco duck, you know. But I'm sure
even Rick D's would be like, hey, you know, I
just whipped it last night Liverpool.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
I'm sure they would touch on that subject, especially if
that the public thinks that's what it's.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
About, because everybody wants to be like dangerous, you.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
Know, yeah, this is not they're not interviewing. Bell Collins
was like, Oh, what's going on with these guys. These
guys are probably whacky and the thing wearing their the weird.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Glasses and like what these guys are like so anti social.
It's weird they're not even talking.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I mean, what else happens to this music video that
you guys want to talk about.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
The woman said like that when they whipped the cigarette,
it was pretty close to her face.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Someone actually whipped it off of her, and I was like, I.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Didn't think that was real. Like, I know, the clothes
were or on strings, and they said they would just pull.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
The string, right, she's the bell crow and then they
would with a string.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
And when I was a kid, I always thought they
just had like a mannequin there. But it's really hurt her.
She's just so steel and she's so striking.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
She looks like a fare and bankrupt.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah, it's so wild that she wasn't an actress. She
was just someone they found in a bakery.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Maybe she did a line of cocaine and just like
had an extra focus, right, but yeah, So basically the
song ends when every single layer of this woman has
been whipped out, and then one more final whip. Of
course we don't we see it off screen and the drummer,
the drummer, the drummer runs straight to her, and it's like, oh, Alan,
the you know the little captions right there from the

(53:13):
mom I'm like, oh that Alan, this is what he says, right,
And it's like I didn't know that there was a
relationship between Alan and the one being whipped.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Yeah, that's so it breaks the fourth wall right.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
There, right, like is there a thing in real life
or is it in devo verse that there's a story
there or is.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Just Alan a horn dog?

Speaker 4 (53:30):
And he wanted to go like, yeah, you're naked or something,
you know, Like.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Who knows, But I think Alan's generally concerned for her
because he's completely naked.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
He must cover her up, maybe to hide her shame,
but we don't see any of that. He just it's
just him running toward yeah, right, but he was like
do we even know he's running toward her?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I think so he's good definitely rung in our direction
because any of that look of concern, right. He wasn't
just like, oh yeah, oh baby, she's naked. No, he
was genuinely concerned.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
It was a perfect time and he moves the high
hats right right at him. But I think it's abop two. Yeah,
and and then he runs like darts towards that. Right.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
But yeah, so that's not a videos and then it
kind of gets that has another weird jump where it's
like on a TV.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
And yes, and that's where it ends.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
All right, So that concludes the music video. Okay, we'll
be right back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Fun fact, Diva was asked what modern video they wish
they could do, and they thought for a long time,
and then they said a video that we actually did
on our podcast, Really could you guess which one?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
What year?

Speaker 4 (54:30):
I mean, it's kind of more of a modern one
that we did within the last last like probably seven years.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
The other secret this is America.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
They felt they they felt that video was like it
blew their minds and they're like, why didn't we do
a video like this? This video is amazing and they
just fell in love with it. I was like, whoa,
that's interesting. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I mean, it is there what they've been saying about
this country. You know, it finally got realized and different medium,
different artists, same message exactly. Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Man.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Wow, it's weird right all right. They were talking about
it and then Mark Mothersbro was like, you know, it's
hard for me to listen to modern music because I
work on music every single day, So when I go
home or when I'm like trying to chill out, I
cannot listen to music because that's what I do. So
he's like, I rarely listen to music anymore. And I
was like, oh, that's kind of sad, like yeah, fucked up.
And you could see it kind of like sucks for him,

(55:26):
you know. So's they when they talked about it, it
was like a modern interview and they're like this is
the only thing. It's kind of old already, but like
this is what kind of blew our brains when we
saw it.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
That's wild.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
I was like, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
All right.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Set for the notable YouTube comments, but time for this
very slow mode chill way remix of our set backing
song here.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
So here we go. This first one from Nate dog
Wilder twenty one thirty seven. My family's dog, Devo, died
about six months ago. We named him Divo because he
was a breed of dog called the whipp It, and
we remember him from this day. That's kind of a
sweet one.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Right, So I'm feeling it's not real. I think it's
the main do you think so it might be? It
seems like a joke.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
If I had a whipp it, I would definitely name
him the dog Neva though, if I had a dog
breed of I mean, his name is Nate.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Dog, So I don't know. Maybe he only does documents.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Pines play on word exactly.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Here we go from tone Ton seven four four. Someone
ran for student body president when I was in elementary
school and used this song for their theme. Needless to say,
I voted for them. Yeah, that's so funny, right when
you're a kid, you're voting for student government and like this,
you know you he's last week we did Icelight's Baby.

(56:41):
How many kids went out for a SB and that
that year was like doing the Running Man. Hey, I'm
ready for his b Vote.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
For me, you know, and then then the.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Word for your mother and vote, and then the last
one is something we talked about. This is just you know,
fun fact, Mark's mother's law wrote theme song for Rugrats.
I still listen to it to this day.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Nice yep.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
But it's a great music video, all right, guys, whip
it by Devo? Would you keep it or would you
throw it back?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Oh? Louis just his face value.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
It's already a quirky, fun video to watch. You guys
remember this they used to play at the clubs and
the time. Yeah, no video, No, no, not the song,
but the video.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, oh no, I don't remember it.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
I remember. It's the first time I actually like, oh,
is this real?

Speaker 5 (57:26):
Like I didn't know if it was the actual thing,
but then you would easily recognize them with the energy domatce.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
But yeah, face value, it's a great video. It's already interesting.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
There's so many questions that comes up, like I don't
really it's you can't just explain what's happening, right, I mean,
Louis did an excellent thesis. He just shared his Triple
Master's thesis n yu on on the meaning of what
was happening in the video. But I love the lore
that's that's behind Devo, what they've created from whenever sixties
all the way to even today. Probably I love their philosophy.

(57:57):
I like the pure essence of punk rock. And it's
not your traditional you know, doing it through music. It's
doing it through ideas, doing it through making a change,
but within not just like being out and being weird.
It's like I'm gonna it's like the Trojan horse, right,
Like I'm gonna get in there first, and then when
everybody is now paying attention, when everybody has devolved, right,
then we come out, we destroy, And I think they've

(58:18):
they've done pretty good job, you know, accomplishing what they
were actually going for.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
So that's a KEYP.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
So that's a keep Bryan.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
As for me, this is uh. I love the minimalist
and then how they make you think about it deeper,
but then they also make it minimal for like, you know,
de evolved people that they know who are gonna watch it,
you know. And I love that they get off on
like their quote unquote the of all people come up
to them and say, man, I love how you're whipping
that girl and they're like, oh cool. And then how

(58:48):
if someone comes up to me and is like, hey, man,
I really like how you got deeper and this, this
and this, and they're like yeah, that's what we were doing.
You know, Like I love the fact that they're even
if someone comes up to them and tell them they
like it for the wrong reason, they're like, oh good bro,
you know, like and they're still fucking with you. It's
they're so to me, that's so fucking punk is to
be like I'm still like laughing at you because you're

(59:08):
fucking stupid. Like that is just like I really do
think they're like one of the punk ist bands. Oh absolutely,
you know when you really look at punk aesthetic and
they are one of the punkst bands.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Of all time.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Absolutely. I mean they don't have the spiked heads and anything,
but nah, they're ideals. They're basically you know, their their
core messages like yeah, subvert the authority, fuck the status quo,
you know, make music that's unconventional. Yeah, very much the
essence of punk and can't really argue with that. And

(59:43):
you know, like, yeah, they're not punk as in they
sound like fucking sex pistols or the Bad or the
Clash just that. Hey, you know, we have different approach
for fucking akron Ohio. We have synthesizers, so this is
what we do, and we're fucking artists too, by the way,
So yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
They're like, oh, guitars are two rock and roll, you know,
right and roll.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
So yeah, we're a counterculture so we're synthesizer guys. So yeah, keeper, Louis,
you did after years. Everything's a fail for me with
this soundboard, this is this episode okay. So as for me,
of course this is a keeper for me many reasons.

(01:00:23):
It's just it's a fun video. I think that annoying
band the scenes it's funny. The rails of coke waiting
for him and the band in the back say, it's
just funny to me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
That's the weirdest ironic thing is like, never I would
never think like, oh yeah, do you wor coke guys,
But then when you watch me invis like, oh yeah,
these guys are totally cos they're totally high.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, but yes, Like for me, it's like, yeah, the
entire concept of video, it's just you know, it's a
short and sweet song and short sweet video. There's little
things about it, like the the whole little graphic of
Mark Mars Bond and the girl little picture of them
together with the with the rope front. I think it's
fucking hilarious. See that too.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Of course you love the graphic arts of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
But it's like, yeah, as a guy like I paid
attention to a lot of the set design and all
that too. You know, you can tell it's it's yeah,
I mean fifty thousand dollars that's a lot of money
still for nineteen eighty it means a lot of money,
even because fifteen grand now, like, I don't know what
the fuck to do with it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Well, coke was more expensive, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Like, yeah, there's a non recoupable fund.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
By the way, it's like sumable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah, like the you know, fucking Pablo Escobar was like, yeah,
Devo money, keep it coming. But yeah, it looks like
a very fun video. I was definitely entertained by it.
Cancel culture aside. You know, this is the eighties, man,
it's just a different time than looking at it now.
It's like, yeah, you know, I can see why do
you want to cancel culture because it's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
If you don't know the context of it, yeah, then.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Of course it likes Yeah, if you're just getting dropped
in there like straight up with knowing how sensitive things
are now, then yeah you will. You will definitely not
like this video.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
But you know, I was. I was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
I was a product of the seventies. So for me,
it's like, yeah, I don't condone whipping someone for entertainment,
but as far as the context of video when they're
trying to say yeah, you know, it's definitely poignant and
I'm keeping this video. Okay, guys, three keeps, three keeps
for your whip it as expected. So for our next episode,
this will be an interesting one. Yes, I gave these

(01:02:22):
guys a little little flavor of what's gonna come up next.
It's gonna be Lionel Richies Hello.

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I gave us a blind taste test earlier.

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So yeah, we'll be doing Linel Richies Hello. For our
episode one eighteen, we'll be plucking a name from the
USA from Africa Music Universe. So here we go. We'll
see you next time.

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Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Spoiler. I saw Steve Jones at a deli in the
West Side.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Really yeah, I saw him there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
He's a huge man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
What was he buying?

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
He was eating?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
He was eating.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Yeah, Me and my wife went in there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
To It was just like some dellly vegan right vegetarians.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
It was like a healthy vegetarian place because at the
time I was a vegetarian and we were eating there.
And then I go, that's Steve Jones and she's like,
who's Steve Jones. I go, like, guitar player for the
sex Pistol. She's like, oh, I only know Johnny Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Remember when we saw sex pistols. He showed disaster us.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
He shirtfore he stopped drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
He saw his taint and everything so grossed.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Oh yeah, we saw his balls, back balls.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Back balls all right. Time for the notable YouTube comments.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Oops, classic loops and blue It's time for YouTube comments.