Ep. 123-Cut Your Hair (Pavement)

Welcome to our first full episode of the new year as Louie, Ryan & Al have a barber shop conversation about the Indie legends Pavement and their music video for their hit, "Cut Your Hair."

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello and welcome to episode one hundred and twenty three
Throwback Music Video Review Podcast, and tonight we will be
reviewing Pavements.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Cut Your Hair.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Cut Your Hair is a song by American rock band
Pavement from their second album, Crooked Rain Cricket Rain, released
in February nineteen ninety four. It was written by songwriter
and lead singer Steven Malkmus. The song was released as
a single and became the band's best selling and most
popular song, reaching the top ten on Billboard's Alternative Songs

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chart in the spring of nineteen ninety four, spending two
weeks on the Billboard chart. In May two thousand and seven,
and The Me magazine placed Cut Your Hair as number
twenty eight in its list of the fifty Greatest Indie albums.
The music video was directed by Dan Krretzley and Ryan
Murphy and currently has three point seven million views.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
On YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Al could you read this just this paragraph for me? Oh,
I think it's some pretty good information about that whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
So, though only briefly attracting mainstream attention with the single
Cut Your Hair in nineteen ninety four, Pavement was a
successful indie rock band. Rather than signing with a major label,
as many of the nineteen eighties four bears had done,
they remain signed onto independent labels independent labels throughout their career,
including Flying Nun and Matador. They have often been described

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as one of the most influential bands to emerge from
the American underground in the nineteen nineties. Some prominent music
critics include as Robert Riscut Chriscu and Stephen Thomas. Earlewine
called them the best band of the nineteen nineties. They
have a cult following as for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
And Robert Chriscau is like a huge I mean he's
like Rolling Stone. He was a part of Spin magazine,
The Village Voice, Billboard, MPR. Like he's a huge critic.
It's weird they're such an indie band. I think they're
a little bit bigger now, but back then they were tiny.
He's still you know, well, yeah, Yeah, I want to

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do something a little bit before we talk about our history,
because I'm not sure how I know Al. Usually when
we do a band where he's not that interested, he
does literally no research. So I wanted to do it. Apologize. No,
it's fine, but I think this is a new segment.
I'm going to do. What I'm doing a band that
I know Al's not gonna know too much about. Is
They're gonna do a little prequiz maybe about the band.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Okay, a season up, just to give.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
You a little bit of information about the band, right
and you guys let me know and then I'm gonna
give you the answer right away. To see there's not
gonna you.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Don't you call me beginning of the episode.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
You don't have to put any dings or buzzers for
this one.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Okay, it's fin alright, fine, all right.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
All just to let you know, this is the first question.
What year was Pavement formed? Nineteen ninety seven, nineteen eighty eight,
nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety two, nineteen eighty eight, Nope,
nineteen eighty nine, eighty nine. What are you doing in
eighty nine?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I was collecting baseball cards?

Speaker 4 (03:21):
What are you doing?

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Now collecting expensive more expensive basebalk.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Right, what label released Pavements first three EPs? Sub Pop,
drag City, Merge or Matador.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
I think it's Matador, No Matadors ninety later.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yeah, it was drag City. But yeah, you're going to
get that, and you want.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
To say that again, just say flying No, it was
in winded.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Pavement guitarist Scott ken Berg has an alter ego? What
is his alter ego? Is it Priston? Is it trigger Cut?
Is it Spiral Stairs or is it eight s K Preston? Nope,
it's Spiral Stairs, right, and Stephen Malcolmus actually goes by
alter you go to, it's just s m on like
when it's on on the records. So it's okay, here

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we go out. How many full length studio albums this Pavement?
Did Pavement release three? Seven five or four four five? Ryan?
Which of these members was not present in the final
live lineup of Pavement. Steve West, Bob Estava, Gary Young, My, yeah,

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good good, Ryan?

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Right, So it's not fair, it's not fair at all.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Let me see, we'll do We'll do one more. I
feel like I'm killing your spirit off. Sorry, I thought
those would just help. That's cool Here we Go. Who
produced Pavement's final studio album Out, Oh my god, was
it was it self produced?

Speaker 6 (04:44):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Huh? Bruce Goggin, Neil Google rich Are Mitch Easter checking referencing.
I'll give you a hint. They some people call him
the sixth member of Radiohead.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Oh my god, it's that some producing.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
So it's Redial Heat producer. Okay, okay, I'm sorry. I
just I was hoping that would give something I got.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Am I apologize people, No, I just want to give
you a little bit of Yeah. I mean, I know
payments is a huge deal in the indie rock scene.
And then unfortunately that was that was in my cup
of tea in my growing.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Years in the nineties, and it wasn't. It was my history.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
It wasn't a lot of people.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
It wasn't.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
It wasn't a lot of it wasn't and it was
mine at the time. I didn't get into it till
until they already broke up. I think I first. I
bought the first album the year they broke up, so
I was like and and and you.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Know it's coming from me too, Like I tend to
follow bands that have already been defunct, you know, That's
that's actually my thing is like, because I feel like
there's a there's a complete story now with this band.
There's the first album, this is the last album. You
can come up with a story for him.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
But you never heard of that.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
But Pavements just never really got on my radar because
just you know, like the kind of genres of music
I decided to follow in that in those times of
my life, just you know, they weren't on my scope. Yeah,
so my history with this one is that essentially.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
And I think the only the only way I heard
about them is like reading interviews from even smaller indie
bounds talking about how they really like payment. I'm like, oh,
I should check these.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
Have been influenced by by that bad And that's that's
the tendency, right, Like you get into music and or
certain scenes or genres, and all of a sudden you
start to backtrack, kind of like finding the roots, you know,
not unlike when you're trying to find your.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
Accesstory go back, you know.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
But actually it's interesting because Louis and when that got
me into them. I've heard the name floating around, but
never you know, I didn't have money to buy albums
or CDs or whatever, you know, and it's a little
bit too deep, like ind deep, you know, where it's
like you have to know the scene people around you
to be in it. But when Louis bought Slanted and Enchanted,
I couldn't take it at first. Man, I was like,
this is like it's an acquired taste, you know. It's like, hmm,

(07:02):
it's interesting because ironically I was heavily into shoegaze at
the time, and at first I didn't like shoegays either
because it was just too much, like it's too like
it just took over your senses. But this was a
different way of doing that, like especially the vocals was
too upfront and too.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Slacker, like where I was like, oh, I'm not caring
for this.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
But when I heard Watery Domestic, which Louis also bought, yeah,
my mind just exploded because that's probably for me, like
the for me, like one of the best EP's I've
ever heard in my life because it's so influential. And
when I started to make music and just the way
they structured songs and just kind of like that didn't care.
But it just when sometimes when you don't care and

(07:40):
it just just things fall into the exact places and
how you want them to fall into. Yeah, and it
just wow, like you know, like to me, that's that's
probably one of the most listened epis throughout the last.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
What twenty five thirty years of my life.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, that's a long time.

Speaker 6 (07:55):
Yes it is.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
And you know what, it's very low rated, which is
you know, like by the critics and stuff, but something
clicked with the Yeah, it's just I love that APN.
But anyway, those are my experiences when we bought those
those first CD that he bought that uh slanted in chant.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
I couldn't get into it. It was just a little
bit too different for me.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
But it took a few years and to understand, Oh,
I see what they're trying to do, you know, I
see what they're doing. And then you start to hear
the influences and that's really like, you know, makes sense now.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
You know, it's funny because I bought I remember me
and Ryan were doing our classic warehouse going out of business.
Well we would we would warehouses a we go to
we go to Hollywood, we'd hit up Aaron's records, hit
the used CDs and then go to the the warehouses
that are right there that are that?

Speaker 6 (08:37):
Are that?

Speaker 4 (08:38):
And then hit those use CDs and I remember we
went to the warehouse that was by the I think
it's on Sunset and Highland, So we went in there
and that's where I bought the Slanted and Enchanted and
I listened to it and I was like, I mean,
this is cool, but it's it's not what everybody's saying.
It is. Everybody's like, this is like the noisiest ship.
And I think we were already listening to pretty noisy stuff,

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you know, coming from like San Francisco and different things
like just pure feedback almost and stuff. So I was like, okay,
and then we got the I got the Watery Domestic,
and I was like, oh, this is pretty cool too.
I mean, this is pretty cool. I kind of get this.
But then I got Sleigh Tracks nineteen thirty three nineteen
sixty nine, which is their first album on Drag City.
It's kind of a compilation of a lot of like
home recordings, and that fucking blew my mind. It's just

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like fucking noise and hiss and and like songs with
just feedback over it, and it's just like the craziest shit,
like songs that last thirty seconds and then it'll be
like a weird pop song that's just like noisy. So
that kind of like blew my mind. And then I
went back and then I'm like, oh yeah, all this
shit is like all this stuff's fucking amazing. And then

(09:43):
I and then I got Wowie z Auie exactly, I got.
I got onto Wawi's aUI around and then around that
time is when I started going to Musicians Institute. And
then that's when Stephen Malcolmus released his first self title
and like that album that's kind of blew my mind too.
I was like, this is like so fucking great, you know.
And I think what happened was before Pavement, we're playing

(10:06):
music and stuff, and I was playing a lot of
like post punk and stuff like that. And then once
I got into Pavement, I started like learning how to
kind of play guitar more, you know, and actually like
learning a little bit of like their lines and stuff
like that and that they're playing. And I kind of
got more serious into playing guitar because it kind of
made me want to learn how to play guitar other

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than just like oh no, I just want to be
like joy Division and play like single notes and then
power chords. You know, I was like into yeah with
the guitar, which I was into like sonic youth, and
I was into like my Bloody Valentine and stuff like
that already, but they seem like this that's so fucking
far away, like I'll never get to that guitar playing,
you know which I now, I could play all those songs,

(10:47):
no problem, but I did. I thought like it sounded
like it was so far away where pavement sounded like, oh,
I could probably success, I could probably do this, but.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah, it soundmost like Joy Division two point zero exactly
in the sense that, you know what, I could do
this exactly. And you know, to Louise Credit, a lot
of his early recordings, the Broken Kilometer stuff had a
lot of like, you know, the pavement aesthetic.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, kind of like that this.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Is your your your you know, like how I would
consider like what my bow hous is, this is.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Your kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
It's actually a huge influence of musically, it's.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Actually like it's actually pavement with with Also at the
same time, I was really getting into all the Elephants
six Bands, which is another low fi record label, so
that's like neutral milk hotels, Olivia, Tremolo, control apples and
stereo like early dressy dressy Bessie and stuff like that.
And I was getting into that kind of stuff, which

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is very sixties and which kind of like was also
kind of from the getting into like the Lilies who
Kurt Easy was also sort of part of that scene too,
So I was getting into that. So that's why that
Lo Fi album, the first album, kind of like hit
me so hard because I was already into a kind
of like lo fi noisy hissy tape hiss and stuff,
so it kind of all just kind of accumulated at
the same time. Which also so I was like I

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didn't know that America is doing all this indie stuff.
I thought like only like C eighty six was doing
like really cool stuff.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
I don't know at least UK bands.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, because that it totally missed me. I was like
probably listening to like looking Chris Cross at that time,
you know, like you know, I was like a little kid.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I mean, yeah, I was there with you.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Man.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
We mentioned this many times.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
You don't have older siblings who were that, so usually
that's how it kind of like filters through it and.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
You become the older siblings.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Right, you had to find it from just reading interviews,
you know, magazines of interviews with people and.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
Then your own research, right exactly, And like.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Oh shit, I got to get into that. And then
luckily at that time, not luckily, but a lot of
the U c D places were closing and we were
able to get ucs for cheap, like you could buy
it for like a dollar almost, you know, that's what
I could actually afford.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
That you part taking that out like going through the
all the so amazing, right, oh yeah, and you see
when you're like looking through us, yeah exactly, and then
you look around and you see the people that are
they're all like music nerds too, like you know, trying
to find a grail, you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
They're like trying to see what you have? Did you
get some that I wanted?

Speaker 6 (13:00):
It sounds like shopping at third stores, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I mean nowadays you can you know, go to like
a used record store or whatever and they have CDs there.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
The seed is almost to be cheaper, even they have superior.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Audio quality, but still like you can yeah, like I mean,
records self are so much more than a CD.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Now.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
It's like back in the day it was the reverse,
you know, and get right for a two dollars and
then you get CD for like thirty dollars.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
But the UCD thing was so cool because you could
find something that maybe you've heard someone talking about this
band and it has a cool cover and you're like, man,
it's only like two bucks, Like yeah, I could actually
take a chance on this and if worst comes to works,
I'll bring it back in salad for fifty cents or something,
you know, and then use that credit to buy something else,
you know. So it was kind of like a cool
way to like listen to it, you know, figure it out,

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because not all of them had like listening stations back
then because you couldn't get the CD was behind the
kind of thing. It wasn't like a record, you know, so.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
It wasn't a blockbuster music yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
So especially like like like a place like Aaron's Records,
where you knew the UCD bin was going to be
pretty like good, like they were only going to buy
good stuff. So if it was going to be there
would be like six bucks maybe, and you're gonna like, okay,
I could spend six bucks on this and check it out.
There's usually something there you could get out of it,
you know, there was, right, there's hardly any misses.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
You know. I used to print lists like the early
internet days, you know, like in the late nineties, and
they take that with me to record stores, like and
like just kind of try to memorize the stuff that
I want to like listen to, you know, and occasionally
we'd find something.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
You would go there on the mission.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yeah, just like I'm serious.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
I just like Raw Dog and I found like gams
Man and it's like, yeah, I can't believe I scored this,
and it feels good, you know what I mean, And
you want to share with people.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
I miss those times exactly.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
That's what I'm saying. You know, it's too easy.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
These days, right, I mean you know, like back then,
we could drive to Hollywood go to a Meba, right,
you know, and just like you don't know what you're.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
Gonna get, you see it the whole day, you know, Right.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Even movies and back in the movies were hard to
just get hs or whatever, like foreign indie movies that
you'll never find in any record store.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Video.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, things are a criterion now that was like so
hard to find back then.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
I remember, like I was just driving by me, but
I don't know why I was out there. I think
I was at the time, I was taking my girlfriend
to work and then she she worked like in Hollywood,
and then I was like, ohmost stop at Amba for
a little bit. I went inside and I was looking
for the CD in like on early internet forms like
this CD, like knowing you couldn't get it to download anywhere,
and everybody's just like this CD is like unfindable, unfindable,

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and I was that I was there, and I went
to the I went to the Lily section and I
was looking into Lily's album called the Xcam Photo. Yeah,
And I was looking and it was fucking there out
and it was like eleven dollars used and like I like,
I felt my eyes like watering up, like to cry,
like it was that emotional. And I got out of

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the car and then I think I right away I
called Ryan or I found Ryan. I'm like, I found it, dude,
I fucking found it, and it's fucking amazing. It's like
the greatest fucking album ever.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
And this is what the problem is with the Apple
Music and Spotify is the world robbing people of that
moment robbed them changing discovery moment and just as.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
An aside, Kurt Easy has a similar look as what's
Stephen malcolmis?

Speaker 6 (16:08):
No, no, no, what's his name? From Lord of the Rings?

Speaker 4 (16:10):
It's oh Proto Baggons.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
He does look like the similar And then Louis gave
me a back. Then you would burn cdcually burned xcellent
photo band for me. But he made a special cover
with Elijah wood as a Proto bag It's so I
still have it.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
It's so what did you do it?

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Because it kind of looks like because we would go
watch him play and he looked like we would always
say he looks like Elijah Wood man.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
And he made it for me, and it's so goddamn funny.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
You still have it.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
So great see things like that.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
You know he'll never this is Jerry will never see that.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
For listeners, just when they thought we were out of stories,
guess what, I have one last one in my back pocket.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
Oh wow, so beautiful.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
No, but yeah, it's it's weird because it's you know,
people are so into like the vinyl culture, but you
see the culture, it's something that nobody talks about, but
it was huge for us anyways.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
You know, yeah, it is well one the ease of
just because you know, it was more everybody had a
CD player, right, not only that, but in your car.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
Right, we all had cars, and we all like.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Well, we didn't really get the full time CD playing
like in the two thousands. Back then we were like
putting our discman plugged in set adapters in a car. Yeah,
the technology if you have the cheapest available Discman, it
didn't have the anti skip technology exactly.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
But man, I had a thriving, strong CD collection based
on you know, I remember your yea, the used culture.
You know, when they started like reselling stuff and people
just kind of like moved on and grew.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
Up or something got they sold everything.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
You would find good. Even at the third story you
would find like trash Can Sinatra like main album, Like
what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Like right you find Yeah, it's either they died or
people just didn't know what to do with it.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
Don't need they move out. You know, kind of went
through that too. We got rid of all our stuff
after a while.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
You know, anything good CD, find it on disc coog
for eighty dollars, thanks a lot. And I'm just kidding.
The more you could find them. Do you understand what
this song is about, well, I.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Mean, yeah, it's about keeping an aesthetic to be successful exactly.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yeah, And I think that I think the video is
also trying to show like because they are going from
a really really small label to a bigger indie label,
you know, and I think they're kind of showing like,
you know, well we're a little bit selling out or
something like that, you know. Or but they also talk
a lot about in interviews back then they're very bratty
kind of punks, you know, and they would talk to
about other bands and they you know, they would bring

(18:42):
up that kind of stuff about talk about other bands
and you know, you know they're there indie jarlings now
and yeah, but they're on a major label now and
stuff like that. So I think that's that was just
like an indie thing for the time. But his lyrics
are are always so weird and encryptic, right.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Right, right right.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
I mean part of the charm I think is it's
in a way that it's hard to kind of understand
because I don't I don't really know the titles right
most especially nineties American indie bands. There the titles of
the album the song titles. It's just where do they
get it from? Right, Like, it's just so so left field,
but it's so also very interesting And then reading the lyrics,

(19:19):
it doesn't really make any sense, but at the same
time it's so interesting that it kind of adds to
the mystery, right, the mistake of like songwriting, because you know,
fitting those lyrics and the way it's being sung in
their way of writing, like the chord changes and the
songs and the hooks. You know, I don't you know,
like you have to have some sort of like artistic background.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
No, yeah, I don't have that, right, I don't. I
don't possess that.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
So and it's weird, like the themes that they go
on will be like it starts off kind of like
a relationship song, but then it starts talking about like Wright,
water rights in California, and like end about being indie
in California, you know, And if you kind of read
the lyrics, you're like, well, yeah, I guess, yes, selling
out and selling this and water rights and being indy,
I guess I get.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
There's a lot of word playing, yeah, yeah, exactly how
kind of make it fit through together?

Speaker 4 (20:07):
And words that sound like other words that should fit,
but there he puts to throw another word in there
that means something that can mean something completely different, which is.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
It can make sense. You can make you think, oh okay,
I see the connection right.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Reminds you of that meme.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
And it's always sunny in Philadelphia where you know, like
Charlie Day has.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Those little you know, the.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Board just like and like looks insane trying to make
sense of it. That kind of reminds me of the
way you guys are phrasing this his lyric writing.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
But no, that's that's it just sounds it's like a
literate very like somebody well ran, you know, like because
they can pull from different subject matter.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
And yeah, people keep talking, people keep talking about like
career in Korea on this song. Yeah to me, it's like, oh, well,
what is this your first time? Because I heard Dave
Gone doing career in Korea with rhyming it rhyming them,
so it's not this ain't my first rodeo.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
On When they first kind of got big, they got
knocked around a little bit by like Marky Smith from
the Fall, because a lot of their album covers are
very fall looking like like The Fall was very like
kind of like di Y kind of scraps of paper
collage style, you know. And then a lot of his
lyrics are kind of like weird and opaque, kind of
like Marky Smith's lyrics, you know, and it is kind

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of like slurring and kind of his vocal style was
kind of not unlike Marky Smith's, and he would talk
a lot of shit like oh, they're just ripping me
off and stuff like that. You know, So you could
really hear with them being such a weird band, you
can really hear a lot of their influences, which is
a lot of post punk, kind of like New Avy,
kind of like echoing the Bunnyman.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Stuff we talked about, like him writing the what is
it the prologue to that gooing to Butnyman box set?

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is wild, right, It's so weird. Yeah,
so yeah, it's it's their their lyrics are kind of crazy.
But I think that you, like you said, it adds
to the mystique and that's why so many like weirdos
on Reddit, you know, try to dissect their songs and
stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
But you know what, that's that's very that's very nineties
in the rock, very niceties. Yeah, right, like people like
the titles and and like you know, like it's a
it was a.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Different time too, very different times.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Like you can't apply what what the people were thinking
in the ninety It's just.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
It could be like this obscure instrument or you know,
tool that was being used back like in the eighteen
twenties or whatever, and then it's part of the title.
But somehow they make it fit. It's and it's it's
kind of interesting, you.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Know, it's skill.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Another thing is like because it's so strange that it
gets kind of like stuck in your head. Yeah, well,
let's take watery domestic ready, Like he they chose that
because it's the kind of beer that he likes.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
He likes the cheap watery you know, cheap domestic beer.
So it's like that.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
But then you got the rooster on the front, the
cock on the front, and it's like, what is that mean?

Speaker 6 (22:45):
It's so I want to know more.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Right, like the beer you brought here today, the rooster.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Louis spe the same family.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Sometimes it's about the marketing, you know, sometimes yeah, sometimes
about that.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
And yeah, you never you can't tell if it's like
they thought about it and they you know, really put
some kind of art direction or they're just like, man,
fucking I'm stone. Just yeah, use that whatever, you.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
Know, just write it on there, you know, like when
Slackers came out right exactly.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, so pre pre grunge, there was Slackers, right, and
then after that was grind but.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
More more underground ground the college rock scene.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I got pre quiz, got prequiz, so you guys, we'll
have a pop quiz after these messages.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
All right, it's time for the pop quiz.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
All right, guys. Since we're doing this song it's about
getting your haircut, We're gonna do a pop quiz about cosmetology. Yeah,
there we go, all right, Ryan, because I gave it
a lot of I got a lot of quiz over there, Ryan,
is it coming to your hair? Cutting? And hairstyling has
been practiced since Hey, the Glacial Age, b the Golden
Age of Greek. See the Renaissance are deep medieval times?

Speaker 6 (24:02):
Oh, I'm gonna go with the Renaissance.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
No, it's a the Glacial Age.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
So when was that like eight thousand years.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
That's when, Yeah, the world was covered with ice. They
would get their hair because they needed warm humans have
always cut their hair and needed to groom and maintain it.
During the ancient times, people found ways to cut and
hairstyle their hair with primitive tools. The Glacier Age refers
to the time period thousands of years ago when glaciers
covered the land and the earth, indicating that hair carab

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practices have been around since a very very long time.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
And people are hairy because they protect.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
From the cold.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Yeah, because it freezes, you know, and then you have
all those ice that's true. You're the shining he has
all the kills on.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
It and it gets madded.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Difficult, exactly, you just have dreads.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
Yeah. Oh.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
The first people to use cosmetics were the Mayans, the Vikings,
the Celtics are the Egyptians.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I'd go Egyptians.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
You are correct out, Yeah, yeah, there's beautiful makeup, so yeah,
I start it every day. There's a strong belief that
they use it for both religious ceremonies and then also
like beauty reasons to make themselves look beautiful. And there's
been like tons of things that they found and during
the during like digs that actually show like.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
That they're using to have their cosmetics.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Using plants and different things to color these things exactly, Bryan,
Hannah is a die extract from a roads petals, b
walnut shells. See dried bodies of insects are the leaves
from an ornamental shrubs with.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
The ornamental shrunk.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
You are correct. You gotta doing great on this. Yes, yeah,
so it's used to They use it to dye clothing.
They use it to dye their hair, and they also
use it in like make up products.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
Have ever gotten it done?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Or the Hannah? No, I've never done that before.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I've always wanted had a couple yeah, right their hands,
you know, the classic right floral.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Maybe next year when I.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Go to Cocollo gets a flower crown.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
I'm just gonna get a tear al. Nail care was
first practice before three thousand VC in what part of
the world, right, Okay? Egypt and China, Northern Europe, India
are the Americas?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Oh, definitely Americas, Egypt in China you're.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Correct, damn yah. So they found grooming products and nail
clippings in like archaeological digs.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
I can only imagine like the oldest civilizations already would
have some sort of nail care.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Yeah, Ever, if not, every would be like the girl
the records.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
That guy, that guy that everybody knows me.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
That guy standing on the second floor dropping him down right.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Like panic snacks, like very anxiety.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
Pan Nacks is a good band.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Name, Bryan. Women in ancient room used hair color to
indicate how many children they had their class in society.
Marital status are the religion.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
I'm gonna go with status.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
You were correct. Yes, it was a status symbol back
in the day. So if you had colored hairy, you were.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Everybody could do it right, only people who could afford it.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Wow, hold on, let me see you. This is kind
of talking about, you know, the whole people who are
actually doing it right. So okay, when monks and priests
were forbidden by Pope Alexander to shed blood, they enlisted
help of a barbers. B farmers see servants are carpenters
to help with their bleedings. Barbers, you're correct. Like a horse,

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they always got to you know, they always got to
get a work around, right, reach around, Bryan. The barber
pole is a symbol symbol of the barber slash surgeon
has its roots in early practice of tooth pulling, blood letting,
hair cutting, or leeching.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
With leeching no.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
It's blood letting. Its blood letting.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's why I said it's wronging a horse, because it's
you know, did a little reference blood letting go one.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Of their songs from that album, Well, that's.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
What that means.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
Oh dang, what's what's blood letting?

Speaker 4 (28:12):
You just get blood. You let the blood out because
you have too much blood in your system.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, right, it's a it's like, yeah, it's basically like, oh,
you your your blood is tainted.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
You need to bleed out more to kind of clean yourself.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's a very you know, it's like dialysis almost right, almost,
but they didn't.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, if you watch those there's a lot of blood
letting in that ancient doctors. She has too much blood
in her system. She has hysteria.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Oh but she's still acting bad. How do you think this?

Speaker 4 (28:41):
A little jab? Right, a little dig John's daughter. Okay,
who's next now?

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (28:50):
The first job of a new cosmetology graduate usually offered
is hair color specialist, salon stylist, salon manager. Are cosmetic chemist?

Speaker 3 (29:00):
I have no clue I'm going to guess on this one. Manager.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
No, it's stylists stylist.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
Hair stylist stylis throwing in after Marinella.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
After you graduate, you go as a straight hair.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Celebrated Applebee's and you become a hair It was a
Marina Marinelli for the.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Like marineracause some of that.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Beauty. Did we get a haircut at Marinas one time?

Speaker 4 (29:25):
You see get them all the time.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Yeah, right, because it was cheap, because it was cheap dollars,
right right, because they're practicing on your head their trade.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
I never told you guys my my Oasis haircut story. No, okay,
we have one more question. I'll give you my Oasis
be right back, Ryan. The client desiring a new wave
pattern will require the service of a a nail technician,
be texture and service specialists see platform artists or d

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at the ethntician.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
New wave pattern, way pattern? What is a new wave pattern?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
It's like a wave pattern in the hair. You see that?

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, waves, like the block of seagulls kind of hair.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
No, kind of like like like, well, it's the hair
sound in the twenties when they yeah, exactly the because
I remember some girls.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
We used to hang out back and oh okay, okay, okay, okay,
I get yeah that that very Oceany.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
What was what was b b was texture service specialist.

Speaker 6 (30:20):
I guess I'm gonna go with that.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
You were correct. They're the ones that do the waves
and the wave.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
Patterns right the back in the brit pop days.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
We'll have some of our friends, some of the girls
uh that got my what they called it wave or whatever.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, yeah, and that's yeah, I got my Clara Bow
yeah you know or whatever.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
They were all like really into silent films and something that.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
So all right, let's talk about the music video for
Cut Your Hair.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
So the directors of this video, they only did this video, right.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
They did another video forum, but yeah, like it's it's
around the same time period from the same album.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yeah, you see a musician or it's two dudes, oh guys.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
And I couldn't find any information on them, so I don't.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
I don't know, yea movies know.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
What they're kind of they're basically like, yeah, they must
be just like, you know, a couple of friends.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
And I'm sure if I would have gone like in
a deep dig Reddit thing, I probably could have found like,
oh they were like friends with them and stuff like
that their college or something.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Neighbors, we smoked bongs together.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah yeah, but yeah, I couldn't really find anything just
generally in like the normal internet.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah yeah, you would knock me in my research, But
I look for those fucking directors.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
No, I look for the other stuff was coming up
for like businessmen and like that, and like with the
same kind of names and like.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
They say, they they're linked profiles.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah hopfle it's like they donated.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
On the website.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Maybe it starts out they walk into a barbershop, right,
a really nice, you know, very traditional for even for
a ninety CeNSE barbershop.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
It looks very like fifties, like it was from the fifties.
But it's it reminds me of the nineties so much
because I used my dad used to take me to
barbershops exactly.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, where there's a dude who's like dressed in a
barber coat and you know, like, yeah, he doesn't have
like tattoos on his face in his hands like the
new barbers have nowadays.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
They always have the same fucking haircut as well.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yeah that like not to youth haircut, no.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
Hoop, and their ear lower.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
Smoking weed.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
They got the tattoos and ship.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Hey bro, what do you want it's gonna be ninety bucks.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
Oh god.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
And they look more like butchers than barbers.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, like old school butchers are like logo for pizza
man exactly.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
They look see I lost children down.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Remember their old timing like weightlifters. Like in the circus,
in barbers of the twenty percent, you know, there were
these cool looking guys that would wear their barber jacket
like they're almost like doctors.

Speaker 6 (32:46):
Or science uniform smocks. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Look to me, it's like I have I have minimal
experience in barbers. I mean, if you could look at
my hair and out, you could tell that I haven't
been styling decades, right, And like you know, back in
the nineties, I would go to the barber and the
same probably barbers you guys went to one. You know
that that guy apparently was apparently blind and one eye.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
He cut my ear one time.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Wait, ray, are you talking about every year he got
more shaky, more shaky and cut my ear too.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Oh but yeah, but you know this is I'm a
little older, so I caught him more in his prime years.
He caught you in his declining years. Right, you got him,
and so he did my hair pretty good.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
You know you got him in the Enchanted.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
So so yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I never had a bad experience with him, and my
dad knew him too. Is this this where he took
me to?

Speaker 4 (33:36):
No, But they they and they all walk into this
really nice barbershop and they all.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Sit down, which looks a lot like the barbershop exactly
wat day, right, I.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Think film.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Just like you would in any barbers during that time,
you would sit and wait and.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
Wait until you called you.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
I love that you'd wait, you'd maybe read some of
the magazine, maybe look some pictures. Maybe similarly, I want
some of those the old magazines of like the hairstyles,
the hair style, like the drawings.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
Oh yeah, it's just so cool Home magazine of those, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
It's always like the weird sixties, one.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Different like looks if you're digging the landfill somewhere in
the in the city, Indy or something, you might find it.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
But yeah, they all sit down there, The whole band's there,
and then five of them they first start start going
up to the to to get their haircut.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
One of them, when the time gets called out, called
up right.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
But one thing I noticed though about this music video
is that the drummer is always singing the song as
the you know, the lyrics.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Are going mouthing it.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
He's always mouthing it unless it's his turn to go.
Another band member picks up and he starts singing the song.
The little details like that, that.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Was a continuity. Probably that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I mean those little things like I really appreciated about
this this music video.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
It's little subtleties.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah, so first, you know, Mark goes up there and
he's the one that sneezes and the cat comes out of.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, it's so random, the little moment, so what happened?

Speaker 4 (35:01):
And then he walks away, and when he comes back,
you notice he's wearing something different, and each one of
them goes up and they're wearing something completely different.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
But wait, let's go back to the cat though.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Okay, I love that cat that little moment, but like,
I just love how the barber's so enamored with the.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Cat, like it's a cat.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
He's so happy about it.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
He just happened, like he just gave a birth to
a baby, and he gives them the cat.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Here we go. It's a completely grown white cat. I
love it.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
And the next spiral stairs goes up there to the
barber chair, and he's dressed and when he walks up
then he dressed like a gorilla. And then he just
just takes him off the top.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
A little the top, and you actually get a little
close up shots of him snipping away, and he walks back.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
He's regular, and he walks back, he's regular, but in
different cloth. And then next Bob goes up there. Do
you guys know Bob's role in the band.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
He doesn't. He's a percussion so he plays like.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
A side percussion. He plays nord sometimes, and then he
also sings back.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Up, yeah, with tambourine, you know, just tambourine, and he
does a lot of different he's kind of more just
like an energy guy, ye pretty much, which is very
weird in an indie band, you know, which that is rare,
like utility man, yeah, Hernandez of that band, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
So he goes up and he trips over the He's
the one who trips over the magazine stand drops him
all over the place, right, And then he goes up
there and he pulls out a flask. He starts getting hammered,
and then he gets the barber the blue barberie starts
drinking that too, and then they take the barber takes
it away from him, and then you know, the barber

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cleans him off and then he goes back.

Speaker 6 (36:40):
You don't really see him.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
He just wants to He just wants to indulge in
his just wanted to get his vices.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
And here's where the where it comes, where the whole
song comes to a head, you know where what the
kind of the song is about, right, And Steven Malcolmis
goes up there and the barberings. The barber gives him
like a sceptor of well, a platter and then a
sceptor and then a martini, and then he gives him
a crown. He crowns him the King of Indie. And

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then he has a little a little tear comes down
because of.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Closet and close awkward like you know, it reminds you
that that Native American you know.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Video back in the seventies.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Because he's he's selling out man and he's sad that
he's selling him out and he became the king, you know.
Then he goes back and he's in different clothes too.
And then last the drummer, Steve West, goes up there
to the barber chair and he's something like turns into
like mister toad or like a lizard's very like mister toady.
That's what what's what I got? But I guess maybe
a lizard reptilian.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
This is this is pavement stands on the whole, you know,
like like conspiracy theory in the world. The leaders the
worlds are full of lizard men.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
And now that they're there, they sold out and they
they're they're making all this money in India.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, they're not lizard people.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
They sold out to the to the big you know,
the big Indie lay.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
But I mean he looked like a gecko, right, the
Geico gecko.

Speaker 6 (38:03):
A larger version.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
Yeah, but he kicks him out right like yeah, yeah here,
we don't.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Take insurance salesman like lizard people here.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
And then he walked back. But then he's dressed in
like a flight suit.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Right right, he likes even like Michael Myers, right, mechanics, Yeah, mechanics.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
And then they all kind of like he sits down
and there are then spiral stairs shows a shows them
a stop stop Watch and then they're like, oh ship
and they all get up to himself.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, they go because they all got there whatever they're
they're time at the.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
Barber, the whatever he was reading, he takes it with
takes yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
And that's it. So there's also an alternate version of
this video which I actually seen on one minutes before. Yeah,
and it's just like a black and white and it's
just it's them on the TV. Right, it's on the TV,
and it's kind of like on a loop sort of.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
And it's and it has that you know, like if
you zoom in, it's it's that TV. He's actually in
the background when you get in their haircut.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, yeah, exactly because I remember that.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Poster of the woman with the with the fancy hair.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
With this alternative just alternate. Is it the same thing
but on a TV.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
No, No, it's just them rocking out.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, I'm rocking out.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Look yeah, it's just showing them that you know, fuzzy
a t Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
It's showing there. But then the the other videos is
just that.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
If you watch the video, you know that the same
setup with the TV and the poster and all that,
it's just you know, showing static.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
And the poster is like the cover of the single.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Oh that's what it is. It makes sense now. Details
it's the little things, man.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah it was Pokemon is not even not even POGs
were happening though back in nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
POGs we're in, right, Yeah, POGs are in.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Who show?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Did you guys watch? But of course did you ever
did you see that when they watched this video?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
No, I've never seen that one.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
Watch it.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
It's actually really funny episode or it's a very really
funny segment.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
I guess know what he's saying as back now?

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah, yeah, and that's it's just like, what the is
these guys aren't even trying. You guys need to try harder,
try hard, try hard. They just start yelling at them
to try harder and stuff like that, Like what.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Did he want from them?

Speaker 4 (40:11):
No, it's just because they're all slackered out.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
You know, he says, is it supposed to be funny?
Or is it supposed to be Ye?

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Even the humor went past the Mike Judge.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
I mean, I think Mike Judge probably liked him. My
Judge liked the law. I mean, he wouldn't probably put
it if he didn't. I think he put a lot
of the stuff that he liked on there. And and
he's but he's just sucking around like these metal kids wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Get it's also through beams his eyes exactly, kids like
that would be.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I mean, it's funny because I saw this video before,
you know, in the nineties, right in MTV Classico, and
I did not really know what Pavement was or about.
I just remember this music vide about people getting their
haircut and they're changing, and like I just thought it
was funny.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
You know, it's it's it's really it really is like
that like the indie rock aesthetic, you know, it's like.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
And to me, like I didn't really understand the indie yet, right,
you know, to me what indy was was cure.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I guess I was so just very dense.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Because I always thought of its underground those genres were,
even though it's not underground.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
Because it's like college kids were definitely.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Right, which college radio stations were underground, right, yeah, Because
like even like I don't even think that you find
played this.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
Not maybe like late at night with you know, one
of those kinds.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Of because Pavement did they play really manador music early
like when it came out, maybe like later when later
it got big, but not when it first came out.
That was all like like college radio stations or stuff
like that.

Speaker 6 (41:44):
Yeah, so established bands or anything, right, you know what?

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Also to bring back the CD culture back in the day.
Another thing, another way I got into Pavement too was
for some reason, I have no idea why. I don't
know how, but I had it for fucking years, in
years and years, but I had a script subscription to
me myself as a kid, to Entertainment Weekly. I have
no idea how I got it.

Speaker 6 (42:08):
Okay, it just.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Got started getting sent to me, and I got it
for I don't know, maybe five years, for a fucking
long time, and never paid for it. I don't know
how it got sent to me. I don't know if
I was a present, maybe my grandma gifted it some
me or something. But Entertainment Weekly had an amazing music
section and they used to review indie bands. And that's
how I found out a lot about about a lot

(42:29):
of American indie bands. Is That's how I learned about
like Elephant six, That's how I learned about Pavement. That's
how I learned about a lot of like really really
like indie indie indie indie bands right before they came out,
and they would review them and talk about them. So
with that, and that was like a really huge thing
in my life.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
That's crazy, and it was weird.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
One day, it just and I got it because it
would come, like I think it was, Yeah, it was weekly,
so it would come every fucking week. So I had
stacks of them, right, and I would like, I knew
when it was gonna come, and I would go and
I would read them all. And because there was also
like a lot of indie films, you know, on there,
because it.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Was more of a Hollywood centric exactly right.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
And then it stopped one day and I was like,
so sad, so you have and I don't know what happened.
And when I moved, it would move with me. So
it's not like so I.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Think like future Louis went went to a time machine
and started like I think I could change his man's
life by sending him subscribe.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Maybe that's what it was.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Yeah, you know, it was my lift.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
So yeah, it was really weird. But that was another
way I got into it. And I can beltuely forgot
about until we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
This and I'm like, it's right.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
And I had stacks of them because you know, because
I'm also a dorky nerd. I'm like, well, I should
save these like comic books.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
You know, Like, well, you know, we've always been in
the collect collector nature of us.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
You know, like we always had.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Like we would keep just to keep it right and
just to have like references to things.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to need the
like Danny Boyle episode or something. I mean magazine they
talk about.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
You know, we were you know, we're also interested in
cutting pictures out.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
You know, for sure, we would post there any any
cool bands we would post on my wall.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
I had usual ask and every time let's say we
went to Ty Records, right or a record store, we'd
pick up I'd take all the yeah, the publications cause
I want to just grab I didn't really care. I
was just mostly it's about acquiring things right, right, and
just collecting. Maybe it's a cool article and there was
a cool picture in there, but in a way it
kind of forced you to read it and then like

(44:24):
you learn certain things that you were looking for, you know.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
One of the like the crazy defining moments for me
was finding Enemy magazine or like newspapers from the eighties
at record stores in for like a dollar in Hollywood
and Melrose and I would find like old ass fucking
baouse articles or or you know, like soft cell or

(44:49):
love and rockets.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Or what you know, what have you whatever.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
It was like the hot band back then, and I'm like,
holy shit, like this is like content we don't see
anymore at all. And the ads too were like it
was was kind of like opening. So like I got
as much like relevant ones as I could find back then,
because you know, like Hollywood's far away from where I
lived back then too, so I had like a few dollars.
I'm like, I spent like five bucks and I took
the best ones home.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
That's when you would spend like, I don't know, a
conservative four hours at a record story.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Yeah, yeah, just looking through all the things that you're
not gonna buy it because you can't afford it, you
know right there exactly, that's just what shaped you.

Speaker 6 (45:26):
That's who you become now, you know exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
And now we're doing podcasts, but a lot of those
people are doing podcasts, well.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
Yeah, because you want to relive those moments and it's fun.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
One of the reasons why I wanted to talk about
this band in this song is because they're pretty soon.
I think it was just at can Or sent that
they're releasing an experimental documentary film on pavement. It's good
to be directed by Alex ross Perry, who's actually a
really cool director. I think you directed like Her Smell
a couple other Golden exits and her Smell and does
a couple of things. And I listened to him on

(45:55):
a lot, talking a lot of podcasts about film. But
it's good. It seems like it's gonna be interesting. It's
like a documentary where they actually use footage of pavement
and then there's actually actors acting out the scenes that
they're actually kind of talking about. So it seems gonna
be some kind of weird mind fuck, you know.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
And it's classic indie style exactly.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Yeah, how can we make a documentary and do the
least amount of work. We'll get actors to play us
in the documentary.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Okay, we'll be right back after these measures for some
notable YouTube comments. Let's talk about the notable YouTube comments.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
So first I'm going to read something. This is actually
from a Reddit post that oh.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
You're doing reddits notable reddit comments.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
No, but actually someone dropped you need a new song
for Reddit you. Actually someone dropped this reddit into the comments,
and I know it's a reddit because I read the reddit. Okay,
so the actual the actual Yeah, they didn't. They didn't
actually put the dude name on here who actually wrote it,
which is kind of a bummer, right, I forgot to
get it before I left, So sorry for the.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
Thing's name was Sparto staircase guy, it might be.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
So this is from March two thousand and two.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
Damn.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
My grandfather, Vincent the barber, is still alive, very much.
So he's well in his in his eighties. In September
twenty twenty one, so he's talking. His berday was in September.
I wish I could add photos to this commentary here
to show you guys. I but believe it or not,
he still cuts hair for some people in our family.
So this guy's grandfather was the barber, and the guy
is a real barber.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
So cool.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Okay, So that's it.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
That was the thing that guy said, that's his granddad.
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Yeah, So that's pretty interesting, right.

Speaker 6 (47:39):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I mean it's cool to see the connections, you know,
And and that barber was a great sport or a
great actor.

Speaker 6 (47:46):
He was great.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, Like, I mean, like I wouldn't have thought he
just he wasn't a real barber.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
I thought he was an actor. I thought he was
an act because he was.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of on point though with
Pavement to actually hire genuine people.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yes, yes, especially if they're gonna act in their music videos.
Fair enough.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Yeah, it's probably is a real barbershop too, right.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
It probably was. We got the barbercide going on there.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Yeah, okay, here we go. This is from unreleased unreleased
run Be Grooves from five years ago. I've always loved
and cherish the fact that Pavement front man Stephen Malcolmus
and friend of our podcast Blur and Gorilla's vocalist David
Auburt bonded over some time quite in the nineties for
their admiration of Missy Elliott. Really that's weird, right, They

(48:27):
both like Missy the Elliot, which makes sense. We should
do a Missy Alley videos.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Soon, do a Pooty Tang video, he appearents in it.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
This came up in the two thousand and three April
interview of Dazed and Confused magazine.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Wow, there was a confused magazine?

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeah, it was like when you remember, like when there
was all those kind of like indie magazines. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was like one of those one they probably only
lasted for like a year.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
And then was it based on the movie and Confused?

Speaker 4 (48:51):
I'm sure that's really why.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
They got it, or the led Zeppelin song.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
It's probably the movie.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Days and Confused. Also Richard Linkland movie.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah right, weird he's direct?

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Is that One Small World?

Speaker 4 (49:03):
And here's the last one? I hope? And this is
something that fucking caught my eye and I'm like, what
the fuck, I gotta use this. And this is probably
the best comment other than the Grandfather one that I've
ever gotten from the Oh okay, this is from Chipcob
sixty six from six years ago. I'll never forget Monty.
Python's Michael Palin picked this video as his favorite on
the UK TV show Alive and Kicking with Zoe Ball

(49:26):
in nineteen nineties. I still remember that episode. It was great.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Wown Michael Palin.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Huh, Michael Palin. I consider Michael Palin my favorite Python
And I was like.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
He is a hero of mine.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Yes, he's probably one of the greatest communists who ever lived.

Speaker 6 (49:41):
I agree. Yeah, it's smartest.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, that's remarkable.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
What was is what I would love to do a
little deep dive on his rationale.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
I get it because you know, I mean, it's it's
fucking freaky ye. It's like a Monty Python episode.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
Absolutely absolutely could be an episode, clearly.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
And I could see the guys from Payment smoking weed
and drinking and watching fucking my Monty Pylon for like
five hours straight and not moving, you know.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
See that.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
So just to give you guys a little bit of
information on that episode, it's actually from February twenty sixth,
nineteen ninety four. It was episode twenty two. I tried
to find the episode to watch it. I couldn't find
it anywhere. It's like a BBC thing. They probably they
probably burned the videotape after it was done. The musical
guest on that episode, because they would have people talking
and then they have music gusts. The musical guest is
the Proclaimers, remember.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
That, Oh yeah, I want to be Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
And they would show little bits of cartoons on there,
and one of the bits of cartoons that they showed
was classic Eke the Cat. Does that seem like the
greatest episode of TV? Of all time. Eke the Cat
one of the best cartoons of all time.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
Class Kids Lived cartoons of all time.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
So you're getting the Michael Pale and you're getting the Proclaimers,
you're getting Eat the Cat, and then they're talking about
Pavement cut your hair.

Speaker 6 (50:52):
Perfect.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yeah, so I think that's about it. What do you
think about this?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
All right?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
So guys, Pavement cut your hair?

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Would you keep it or would you throw it back? Right?

Speaker 5 (51:05):
I will be keeping this video, you know, man, I
like simple videos, you know, but it's also, like it's
been mentioned before, it's those little details that really make
it special.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
You know. It's fun. But it's a great song, by
the way. I love this song.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
But Pavement has a huge impact on my own, like
you know, like stuff that I like to do. Just
giving me the freedom of love, like you know what,
you could do anything and it can still sound good,
you know, and they kind of give me that the
carte blanche to do stuff like that. So but anyway,
just the video along, I think it's funny, it's clever,
you know, just the switching and there's little parts where
you know, the changing the clothes even all that kind

(51:39):
of stuff tells you that it's kind of a it's
very intelligent. Even though you don't really see it in
the beginning, you kind of understand after a while as
you've grown older and have a little bit more experience
with life, like, oh okay, like what they're saying is true, right,
Like what gets big are the ones that sell out
or usually you know, like you have to change your look,
your style, and specifically in this case, cutting you. But yeah,

(52:00):
it's definitely a key all right.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
As for me, Yeah, I'm gonna keep this. I think
ninety seven percent of the videos we do that are
on one hundred and twenty minutes. I'll probably end up
keeping just because of the nostalgia factor. But Pavement, like
I mean, Ryan said it beautifully, they just kind of
made stuff a little bit more accessible, not unlike Joy
Division and a lot of those post punk bands. For
me as a musician, you know, what's weird is just

(52:26):
thinking about when when Ryan was talking, it kind of
popped into my head. Payment reminds me of another band
that kind of changed my perception of music at the
time when I was kind of younger. But Payment was
a little bit like in high school, but like in
junior high was like Dala Soul, where Dala Soul was
a kind of like nerdy looking but they look cool,
you know. And at that time, gangster rock was really big,
and I'm like, wow, man, like you either got to

(52:48):
be like gangster looking or you know, a trollo, or
are you got to be a metal head? You know?
And I was like, well, no, you could be like
these guys who look like they're having fun. They're kind
of like slackery kind of guys too, you know, and
they're doing stuff that's like, wow, this is pretty these
rhymes are pretty cool. I think I might be able
to do some of this, you know maybe, And I
think I think like that hit me at that time

(53:10):
in like in like elementary school probably, and then Pavement
hit me at college, like first year of college, where
I was like, what the fuck am I doing? Which
what should I do? I could barely play guitar. I
want to do this. I'm able to do this because
we could get shows. Now what am I going to do?
And it kind of pushed me to like explore other
things and not just play Jordan Vision covers.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
So yeah, Pavement offered that that avenue that I can
do this, and I'd actually like it.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And if you listen to the
songwriting or my guitar little licks of kind of like
our early band of our bands at that time, you know,
it is very pavementee but with like more distortion and
delay and stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, Like for me, it's like someone just you know,
who has no idea how payment was. It's like, okay,
like I thought it was like a very sonic youth.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Kind of kind yeah, you know, that's where I associated
you or music.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
At that time was which that had a factor too,
That's why there was so much distortion on it. But
it was a lot of like Pavement sounding kind of.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Like I don't really know, like Pavement was the underlying
band though.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Yeah all that.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Yeah, that was a big, a big kind of pool
because it was like accessible, Like I could play those songs,
you know, because they're just like really easy, you know,
if you break it down, you could play on like
on three fingercreds up on top of the neck, you know,
you don't have to go down the neck and get
kind of crazy on to play kind of like the
malady of the songs or.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
Even just it gave me a courage to like exactly
make a solo that doesn't make sense, but it fits.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
It fits in what you're playing. You know, like it
didn't have as long as it went along.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
With it, it would it could make it work exactly,
and it could be a solo of like two.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
Notes exactly over and over or like you you know,
how you would play it.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Yeah, they gave you that freedom exactly. And I think
that hit at that time, like like that, and then
you know, like that's kind of making more sense in
my life, you know, in perspective now you're like, oh,
that's weird, but no, this is the Keeper all the way.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
All right, Okay, that's for me. Oh yeah, this is
definitely Keep. As someone who's kind of, you know, very
uninformed and and all that about Pavement, I probably saw
this video before you guys actually did. And then then
the term of watching this and I'm like, this is
a fucking funny ass video. I don't fucking get it.
But like, you know, the music was accessible for me

(55:17):
at that time.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
It wasn't. I mean, I'm sure this wasn't their most
experimental song.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
You know, you were probably wearing a shirt like no
I was.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I was already I was.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Already transitioning into like the goth days right when that
when this video came out, and to me, it's like,
you know, like I just found the novelty of them
changing and just doing the little high jinks with the barber.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
I thought that was funny.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
And so, you know, like when you when you suggested it,
you know, the last time we recorded, I was like, oh,
that video in my head, you know, I'm like, that's cool,
and so yeah, like it thrusted me back in nineteen
ninety four, nineteen ninety five. So yeah, yeah, it's definitely
a keeper for me too, just because it you know,
it did throw me back in nineteen ninety four, and

(55:59):
in this case, I am keeping it. And it's a
funny video and these guys are super talented.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
But what you said earlier, it's absurdist. I love that
kind of stuff. Yeah, it's it's so great, make any sense,
but it's funny, and it's like.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Okay, it's so Monty Partha, that's that's the whole show.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
Yeah, yeah, does it makes sense? But it does make sense.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
And then the fact that it's a real barber that
even adds a whole new level for me.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
And it's not it's not too far off from the
Yola Thingo video. Who is absolutely yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
So super key for me. So yeah, three keeps guys.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
So okay, all your next right, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (56:43):
I'm lining up. We got an unusual request, but we
actually got to request these.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
Times this time, so seven years we've got to request.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
It's been it's been ages and you know, like, hint, hint, people,
we are open for requests. But anyway, we got a
request to do a nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I think pop hit.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
It was rock sets joy Ride. Right, okay, guys, thank
you for listening and we'll see next time.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
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Speaker 4 (57:33):
Oh but Waste and Circuit Story. Oh yeah, I was
in high school the Waste. This album first came out
the first and I had long hair. This is when
I had like kind of the bob here. Yeah, I
had like the sterling morses from Valid Underground going on, which.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Is quite a feat because you had curly hair naturally. Yeah,
but I used to strain it right that I thought
that was a feed, like wow, it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
And then my mom would cut it into that cool
like I was in playing guitar for Validing Ground. And
then so I'm like, you know what, I'm to change
it up. I'm gonna get the fucking Liam Gallagher.

Speaker 6 (58:02):
Right.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
So I go to not Marri and Arrows, but it
was like the La Puente High School r OP program, right.
So I go there and I took the CD cover
of the Oasis album, right. So I go sit down
and there's this one lady's in the older Mexican lady
who's still doing her hours, right, and I go, I
want this, and she doesn't speak English. I don't speak Spanish.
I'm ashamed of that. And then she goes and gets

(58:23):
the manager or the teacher, right, and the teacher is
like this really cool, flamboyant guy. He comes up and
he's like, ohist and he's just like, oh yeah, you
want to look like the Beatles. And he had like
a hard like he was very like like the Butler
and bird Cage right, you know. He was very like
that and really nice. Man. Yeah, he cut my hair
a bunch of times because it was only like six dollars,

(58:45):
and then he's like, oh, you want the Beatles, you
want the Beatles. So he was talking telling her in
Spanish with what I wanted, right, And what she pretty
much did was like not literally put a bowl in
my head, but kind of like an invisible and just
cut my my hair straight around right, and then she
cut it too short, so they when it dried, it
went really up and I ended up having like the

(59:07):
Zymox hair.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
No, I had the.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
George Clooney haircut, O no, which was the salad the time, Yeah,
which was a style. So then it kind of worked out.
But I had long hair and she could have I
could have had like so.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
She used to blame after you lost that. I thought
it was just like a stylistic no.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
No, no no.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
But it was good though. It looked good.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
It looked good. It looked good, but it wasn't like
I could have had the curtains more. But she, you know,
she cut the curtains too.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
Sure going for the fringe haircut, I was going for
more of a fringe maybe maybe the Jewish Caesar.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Yeah, I wanted like a Stephen Malcolm has just got
a haircut. But I'm still kind of slacker, you.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
Know, especially with your type of Aaron definitely would have
to it would raise up a lot. Yeah, but I
remember you look good.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
I do remember that, like I took it. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I didn't even didn't Evean like fase me. I'm like, whoa,
there's a awful haircut.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
I didn't even think.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
You know, for six bucks it worked.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Yeah, you know. The next thing, you know, Louise Game
comps down and glad.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Heated the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I was on Joaquin Phoenix, Phoenix that with the Laurels.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Yeah, this is Spartan exactly