Ep. 129-Seven Seas (Echo & The Bunnymen)

We're finally back after an unexpected hiatus and thank you to those who have been patient and to those who joined us through all that. In this episode, we discuss our experiences with Echo & the Bunnymen and  the music video for Seven Seas, helmed by Anton Corbijn. Did we like it, or did we throw it back to the bowels of the ocean?

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Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thank you again, Hello, and welcome to episode one twenty
nine of Throwback Music Video Review Podcasts, and tonight we
will be reviewing seven Seas by Echoing the Bunnyman. Seven
Seas is a single by the band Egity Bunnyman, which
was released in January January in July sixth, nineteen eighty

(00:54):
four by Corona a little rusty guys size and it's
been months.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Wow, it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
It was the third single to be released from their
fourth three album, Ocean Rain, and reached number sixteen at
the UK Singles Chart and number ten in the Irish
Singles Chart. The music video was directed by Anton Corbett
and currently has three point eight million views on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Is that official?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Their official page.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
It is their official official Echo page. If you look
at the thumbnail of their Echo page, it's the Ocean
Rain cover.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Oh not not much on three point six.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Three point eight. It's not the big it's not the
biggest song. I can only imagine killing one would be like.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, killing yeah, sure, and this one is like it's
their last single from this album, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think there was three singles, right that came from.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
This was it was it Killing Moon, Silver and seventies seventies?
This is a banger of an album. I love this album.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I love this.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Album, such a good album.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
And you know, actually I was more familiar with the
sort of like their best of, right, what was that album?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
The songs learning sing had the album.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Banger after a banger.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
I never can play that thing front and back, doesn't matter.
But the problem was that you didn't realize that they
came from actual, awesome, fucking amazing albums on its own,
you know, so you really needed to go back. But
that's when we first started collecting records, right back in.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
The day of the year three yeah, three story, you'd
find the best of all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I never got that luck. I mean I never found
any like any not the best of. I found crocodiles,
crocodile and and heaven up here and up here of course,
and porcupine. I have found those in the bargain bins
of three stores back in the early nights. That will
never happen again, Nope, not in this climate.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I found a song for learning sing maybe three years
ago to three store. Every time I find it, I
buy it. I have like five of good condition. It
was a pretty good condition, yeah, because the one I
had had a scratch on it and I forgot what
song would skip. So then I was like, I'm gonna
buy it again. So I had like that one, and
then the echo and the bunnyman neck and the moneyman,
the black and white one with like lips like sugar,

(03:03):
and some of that. I have like two or three.
I have two or three of those because I found
that too, and I was just buy them because I
buy them, and then if it sounds good, then I'm
like I'll give them away to somebody, Like if someone
gets a record player, I'm like, oh, here you go,
like you need to have this album.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
It's a treasure exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I don't have songs learning you can, I'll bring you
give me a scratch the one. I don't care.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, I'll bring you and I think, I think to.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
The listeners, this little preamble should indicate that we're pretty
big fans, major fans.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
When I was doing research for this, I was like,
how am I going to talk about this? This is
probactly my favorite band of all time.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
We're standing out here.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'm totally total. They stand out.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Like the eminem document that I forced them to. I'll
stand down here, the standout episode.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
If they did like a doc. And I'm just wearing
like a wig with the color hair and its just
like a girl, like a bright girlond.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Ryan as the will sergeant wig going on and just
a penguin. So, guys, what's your history with this song?

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Never heard of them?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Oh? Man?

Speaker 4 (04:05):
I love that. There's probably one of my top bands
of all time. As far as like listening repeatability. I mean,
I can listen to it any album. I'm always finding
something new. But we really got pretty heavy on them,
like in the you know, the early days when I
first started getting into music, and you know, the whole
new wave scene, the whole eighties scene was coming back.
The only song really was Killing Moon. That was the

(04:28):
one that was always constantly played a lot of radio
play looks like Sugar as well, of course, and of
course a lot of soundtracks pop up here and there right,
but definitely getting into them a little bit more like
deeper when you started to actually listen, you know, finding
those records of thrift stores and listening to the whole
album and it is like, wow, there's so much depth, you know,
like not just a music making his awesome voice, every instrumentation,

(04:53):
everything they did, the production is just unbelievable, and it's
always kind of like inspired me to I knew, I
knew I would never sound like that, but man, it
was always like that goal, you know, It's always like
on the top of the mound that you wanted to reach.
And then, you know, when we got older, we started
to making some money and we actually could go to shows.
We were a little bit older, and we got to
see them several times. And I'm sure you guys will

(05:13):
share your experiences, but we got to meet them one time.
We met Ia McCullough and just him, not the rest
of the band unfortunately, And I think this was the
time when it was just real sergeant and Ian McCullough.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
So were you doing as an echo or as actually
bunny Man.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yeah, Les Pattinson wasn't around. I think he was like
caring for his I don't know if that's that period
of time. But we met him at the Greek Theater.
We went to go see him and uh, and we
always thought it was a weird kind of coincidence because
we kind of just bumped into him. I don't know
if you guys remember that. Were you there?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
No, I wasn't. I would I would have.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
That was at the John Answered for the Sorry.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, yeah that I saw them there. I think guys
were there too.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, when we met Ian mcclough and he was like
being ushered into maybe like behind the stage is on
his way there, and he had his handlers with him.
He was right in front of us, so we were like.
He shook his hand, but he was kind of like
like a little boy, like all lost.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
He was also scared because we ran backstage after the show.
We ran up the side and just went backstage like
like nobody was there stopping anybody was going backstage.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah, it was early and this is an open air
venue and you can kind of walk around everywhere, you know,
and this was nineties.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, and we were dressed pretty nice, so we looked
like we could probably be backstage, you know, we weren't.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
So, but he was very kind enough to like shake
our hands and look us in the eyes and thank you,
thank you. But he was very like meek and almost like,
I don't know if he was on something.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
He was almost like he was afraid of like an
alien who came to Earth and was afraid of the
of the human race, like we were gonna do something
to him.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Remember the X Files episode of The Simpsons when mister
Burns would get those treatments. Yeah, you know, he's always
kind of like that. Yeah, wide eyed and curious, but
not you know, he's just like a childlike being crazy.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
He was super nice and sweet and was afraid that
we were going.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
To mug him, mug them or something.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
That was a wild experience that was there. There's been
a couple of times where we've either snuck into a
place or got somewhere where it was just like whoa,
And that was one of them. That was awesome.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
That's an interesting part. Nobody else really was there when
we ran into him. It was kind of like almost
a private moment. That's why. That's probably why he was like, Oh,
what's what's going on? Should I know these kids? You know?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah? Yeah, are you guys from k rock or what's
going on? Like why are you guys here?

Speaker 4 (07:21):
You guys work in the backstage or something, you know,
bring me in Avion. Other than that, of course, we've
seen them many times and different venues. We saw them
in a different outfit like electro fiction. Of course, when
it was yeah, when it was just him and we'll
sergeant and I think other pretty prominent band members, right,
the supergroup, Yeah, kind of like a supergroup. We saw them,

(07:44):
I believe in Orange can the Galaxy Theater, Orange County
and suited up. Oh yeah, and the Galaxy Theater is
a very like class. It's intimate, too intimate, and it's
theirs seats and tables and you would order food, right,
and then that.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Was beyond our pay grade back. We did not understand
that culture.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Had like five dollars in my pocket at the show,
had zero, like no bank account.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I didn't have a job.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I think we worked for Lemon Waters and we shared it.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Luckily we'd have a drinking problem underage.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
But yeah, I'm sure you guys have your own thing happening.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
For me, I think it started like in yeah, high
school and it was just like, yeah, these guys are
that's it. I'm good to start wearing trench coats and
I'm done. This is the band. And I think they
also had a lot of the they would listen. I
mean I got into a lot of bands because of
them too, not unlike Joy Division, but you got into
like Valid Underground and a bunch of stuff like that
too because of them. So I think them and balanced

(08:40):
Abashian are like the bands I've seen like over ten times.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
It's a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, I've probably seen Yeah, every time I go to
the Bundy Man comes, I've always seen them. Never missed
a concert in La So it's it's yeah, they're the
Vegas We did see them in Vegas. Yeah, I saw
them there. I saw like Sonic Youth. I saw so
many people. Yeah, and they And that was funny when
we were walking through the casino, Will Sergeant was just
like walking by and I was like, oh.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
My god, it's Sergeant.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
That was a guaranteed awesome show man.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah yeah, Muergeant.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
That's that's what I scared, the cravitable Sergeant.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's for me. Mine probably is before because I actually
heard Killing When under radio in nineteen eighty four as
a as a kid and wave for the first wave
of the British Invasion. I guess yeah, I remember hearing
in the radio and just it was very distinct from
a lot of the stuff that was literally that's pop music,
because a lot of them was like synthpop, you know,
like an emotion and ship or new romantic like yeah,

(09:36):
of course, you know, they were just different. There's it's
very acoustic and and just kind of you know, gloomy
and very moody. But I thought it was like and
just that the course of Killing When stuck with me forever,
and you know, Ryan had the songs to learn and
sing back in you know, back in eighteen when we
were sitting through your brother's records, right, and we yeah,
like yeah, we kind of revisited that and kind of
expanded our appreciation for that.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
But also we got into like the second of the
Liverpool sound, so because it was them, Tear Dropped, Explode,
the Care Wild Swans, all the bands and they were
all like in each other's bands before Records, Zoo Records,
and so that was kind of cool getting into like
all those tiny bands that really didn't really make it
too too big over here.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
They got big in Asia, right, a lot of those bands,
but not so much here in the US.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, they're just as good, you know, amazing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, like that Trash Theory documentary talked about that they
could have been as big as you too.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Sure, Yeah, but I.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Never thought that they were actually in that trajectory. But
you know, I guess it just made decisions that within
management or.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
It's like self sabotage. Really.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
It's also this this album changed the course of their
their trajectory because before this they were kind of more
YouTube sort of kind of punky going at it, you know,
like early you two, you know, not GARAGEI but like
this noise, yeah, a lot of noise and stuff like that.
And then after this one is when they incorporated all
the strings, right, And this is this album. When it
first came out, kind of like it got really mixed reviews,

(10:59):
Like a lot of people didn't like it because they're like, oh,
they sold out? Are they They changed their sound, they
lost their kind of punk ethos. But I think but
if you it's kind of funny. It's it's like one
of those religious here histories all the magazines did like
another review of it, and now it gets like, you know, critical,
critically claim now, but at the time it was it
was kind of not and that I think that's one

(11:20):
of the things that stopped there.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
They're kind of they got stunted in a way because
of just that that contemporary It's kind of like Blade Runner, right,
how Blade Runner was panned critically back in the day,
and now it's like that, Yeah, now it's like legend,
legend touchdown.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, well, no, like them, we're I mean, we're talking
about the Big Labats game. And when that came out,
everybody hated it and they're like, oh, the Coen Brothers
are terrible, Like what the hell you put out Fargo,
and then you put this out, like a comedy about
a stoner guy, you know, like what the fuck? And
it's just like.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Now, classic classic, right.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
So it's just like one of those things that like
people weren't ready for it yet and then you know,
you know.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
But your kids are gonna love it, you know.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
But like much like Tears for Fears, they had a
different way of interpreting kind of gloomy music. Right. Also,
the aesthetic, the fashion is I remember very distinctly, the
when it's just their faces and they're all like good
looking cats, you know, they're all dressed nice, awesome here.
It's like and then you hear the music, like it's
just a perfect package, and like these guys could really,

(12:16):
you know, be household names. And and I think from
that documentary you're talking about that he didn't really want it.
I think they all agree. It's like it's almost like
a joke, you know, like they know they're good, but
it's like, what's the point of being on top? They
just wanted to do, like create this art. And he's
almost like a prick in all interviews, you know, he's
always like, I'm bigger than Jesus, I'm the son of God.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
But he always said, but he's doing it, yeah, exactly.
And not a lot of people got his humor.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Exactly, especially the way how serious he is and the
music they play. So I mean that's why I feel
like it is self sabotaged, where they're just hey, this
is us, this is what we do. But I mean
they got their dues, you know, Yeah, they got so huge,
so influential. A lot of bands name them as their influence,
you know, even if they don't sound like and it's
still like that.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, the last bad I picked Pavement, like exactly. Echo
the Money is one of the biggest influences. They cover
eckl the money Man. Yeah, yeah, and then also Echo
the money Man cover all their influences too, so they
always kind of like give away, like, hey man, he'd
be like us, here's this we're gonna and then they
all they all they're like if you get their B
sides and rads, it's just covers of like James Brown
and crazy covers. You know.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
How about his voice, huh, it just stands down like
it's angelic. There's nothing like it really with contemporaries.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
He's a crooner.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah. And then his lyrics it's like mysterious.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
You feel like a lot of it is like a
lot of religious content, right, a lot of the context
that he's he's speaking about, but he doesn't really reveal it.
He said it doesn't he doesn't really put anything into it.
He writes it.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's poetry, right, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
And if when he does give you like a little
glimpse into it of a couple of different things, you're like, oh, wow,
what the heck that's about? That yeah, like, oh, that's crazy.
Like when I found out that the Cutter is about
clock clockwork Orange, I was like, wait, what, it's crazy?
How is that?

Speaker 2 (13:59):
How so though, how did he explain it that way?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Clockwork Orange the Homeless guy is like, is like yeah,
and then the lyrics are kind of like about like
kind of throwing away people like the homeless you know,
kind of like that too, So it's about kind of
like that homeless dude or that unhoused dude. I'm sorry.
And if I read Will Sargent's book and he talks
about like the record labels that they had, like they
were just fake record labels, like they just made them

(14:24):
up and then sold them and got distributed by bigger records.
But you know, the correct Corova is like the milk
bar right and clock Recorns.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
So there's a lot of relations. They really love their
I mean, that's the time they grew up in, you know,
the seventies, right, m hm.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
No Barry Linden references in any of.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Their I'm sure there's a couple of sons. Probably looks
like Sugar's about Barry Linden.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Okay, there was a time I was gifted by a
girlfriend of I don't know what it's called, but it's
all the Echo and the Bunnymen. It's mostly like videos
and visuals. It was a bunch of different like a
bootleg video, like the foot leg style ones, and you
would get.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
It in a blank, Yeah you bite out a record
store something.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Exactly, and yeah, this was in there, and I was like, oh,
I finally get to see all the different you know.
And some of the clips were just like little mini interviews,
just like somebody just chopped it up and put it
all together.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Right. And there were things where like they're on their tours,
you know, and they're kind of like they're talking, they're
kind of goofing around that kind of style we.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Were talking about, like the guys who tried to go
after him and John Ans and Ford Theater.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Talk about I was in the future.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I was horrified from my life. I don't know if
they were to help or.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
What, but but it does end. It does end in
that color impersonation the self titled album in eighty seven.
That's where that video that I got ended.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Oh cool to get that kind of yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
But then they broke up, right and then he left
he went solo. F eighty eight. I think he left after.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
The I mean he did do an album while they
were still together. Yeah, that we had one song, I think,
which I love.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
I love that album. Remember we got we get the
tape all the time.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Candle Land, candle Land, candle Land.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
But Pete Friez died and then that's when they kind
of broke up sort of right.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Drum.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
But okay, it's time for some pop quiz. Guys, are
you ready to pop? Get popping?

Speaker 3 (16:14):
All right, guys, I got a couple of quizzes for you. Guys.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Let me say three months worth of quizing.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Okay, so we're gonna see it better be like a
fire hose of questions. I'm gonna give you.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
The easy one first. Sorry, we're gonna quiz you about
Echoing the money Man, because we rarely do straight up
quizzes in them. We haven't done it for a while.
I want to get to get you back in.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
The My muscles are freaking stiff, and.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
I want you guys to get I want you guys
to get actually get some right. So these are pretty
easy ones. So all right in the band, Echo and
the Bunny Man. Who was Echo and who was he
in the in the band A vocal effect? B drum machine,
CE newspaper r d Ea mccalling with B the drum Machine.

(16:56):
That is correct? Where we go? Oh this is for you?
What is the name of the Echo the Bunny Man's
debut album, also the same name of their first top
forty single, A Heaven up Here, B Ocean Rain, C
Porcupine or D Crocodile.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Oh, Man Crocodile. You're right, that's the first album. Right.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
If you don't get this one, you're out. Who's the
lead singer of Echo and the Bunny Man Will stargean Emo?
Calla Pete Wiley? Ur Julian Cope?

Speaker 4 (17:25):
What's the guy from Saint Bonus danced took his place
when he left?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Not?

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh that I have that one too, right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Right?

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Al from which city of Echo the Bunnyman Hail Manchester, Leeds,
London or Liverpool?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Liverpool?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
You're right? Which member of the band suffered untimely death
when he Sally was killed in hortorcycle accident at the
age of twenty seven Echo he was a baby twenty seven.
That's that right?

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:57):
After you McCall left the band. In nineteen eighty eight,
the remaining members opted to recruit a new lead singer
for a short period. What was his name? Jake Brockman,
Neil Brooke, Damian Reese, R. Peter Kyle, Neil Yet, Neil
Yes Ryan, Which moody atmosphere cult film in two thousand
and one enlisted Echo the Bunnyman's classic single Killing Moon

(18:20):
at the beginning of the credits. Hey a Beautiful Mind.
B Mulholland, Drive, d Donnie Dargo or C the others
kind dark part too? May there you go?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
That's DARKA star?

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Is that called Park's Dark?

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Al Ian mccaulo. Will Sergeant fell out somewhat in nineteen
eighty eight. They would lay their pick it up six
years later. What name did they give the band? Hey?
Electro Fiction, Electronic Electro set Our Electric soft.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Parade, Electric Fiction.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
There you go. You gotta get them right. You guys
are good at this, Wow Ryan? What timeless song by
the Doors was covered by Ekla the Buddy Man in
the feature film about vampires The Lost Boys in nineteen
eighty seven. People are Strange, pretty good? Well here we
Go Okay? Which Which bunny Man album peaked at the
highest position on the charts of the UK. This is
their highest speaking album, Ocean Rain, Porcupine Echoing the Bunny

(19:13):
Men are Heaven up here.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I know it was an Ocean Rain. I think it's
I think it's Porcupine.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
You're right. Yeah, I picked Echo the Money and then
got it wrong because I had actually had to take
the quiz before I printed it out.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
I think that's More America where they actually made it
a little bit bigger. Yeah, I think the album, but
Porcupine was the UK one, Okay, because.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
That one had the cut up.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Okay, here we go. One more quiz, guys. Because he
liked to say tortoise shells and a lot of his songs,
we're gonna do a little bit about the ocean and
about tortoises. Right here we go, And so there's other
ocean creatures in this quizz too. There we go, Ryan,
tortoise shells are made of how many bones used together?
Over five, over thirty, over fifty or over seventy.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
It's a lot of bones in regards.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
I'm gonna go with over fifty.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
You're correct, Yeah. Hell Whale sharks are the largest fish
in the world. They're around the same size as a
school bus, b a fridge, see a sofa or d
a small car, maybe.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
A Kia definitely not a Kia, so a small bus. Yes,
you're right, no one's gotten anything wrong.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
We're giving you, guys softpall once for the coming back
and need to get your podcasting legs. Seven seas legs ye, Brian.
Question number three, largestpeci of dolphin? Right, Oh, I don't know.
There we go bottle nose, Amazon, river dolphin orca? Are
spinder dolphin?

Speaker 4 (20:35):
This is a trick questions.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Or are their dolphins?

Speaker 4 (20:37):
I'm gonna go to Orca.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
You're right, I didn't know that either.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I thought there were whales.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
The dolphins female hawk, bull turtle makes funny sounds when nesting.
Because which do they sound like? A siren? B a belch,
see a bark or d crying?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
This might be the first mistake, guys, I'd stay crying.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
No asiren ah sounds like that.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
That's horrifying. Imagine hearing that in the middle of the ocean.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
That's night and Brian.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Something, that's it. He's going in your backyard.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
You knew the sound, but you didn't get down through. Right,
It's so weird?

Speaker 2 (21:17):
A crying?

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Which of these is not a species of turtle? Loggerhead,
Olive Ridley A green show? Are a hawks bill?

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Green show?

Speaker 3 (21:27):
You're right, yes, damn man, I knew.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I have no idea what those were.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, how many species of marine turtles are there? Seven? Six,
five or four?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I'll go with the theme seven.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
It is seven? Nice Ryan. How many species of shark
are there in the ocean? Over fifty? Over three hundred,
over five hundred? Are over one thousand sharks?

Speaker 4 (21:57):
You say over three hundred? Nailed it?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Nail wow?

Speaker 3 (22:03):
All right, Now this is a visual question. It's not
good for podcasts, but I'm showing you like an orange
fish that's very ugly and weird. Okay, right, I want
you to name that fish. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
All right, friend drop too.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Okay, let me describe to the audience with this fish
looks like it looks like it's an orange fish, probably
the size of I don't know, like like sunglasses or
something maybe.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
And you say something and he's.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Kind of spiny, a little spiny, very exotics. Definitely a
seawater fish.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
All right?

Speaker 3 (22:33):
This is a sea fishes? Yes, seven seafish? Is it
the frogfish, the toadfish, the rabbit fish, or the blobfish.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
That is not the blobfish. What was the what is it?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Rabbit fish, frog fish, frogfish, toadfish, rabbit fish, or blockfish.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I say it's a frog fish.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
You're correct, you know your fishes. Ryan nor Walls are
known for their unic horn, being the unicorn of the sea.
What is their tusk made of? Unicorn dust? Overgrown cane,
hardened skin? Are no one knows? I'm sorry, overgrown canine
that's what is I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
What was the first one?

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Unicorn dust? And I know that's.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Canine? And then what's the last.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Too hardened skin? And then D nobody knows?

Speaker 4 (23:22):
And let me go with B.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah, it is an overgrown Those are like over and
grown tooth.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
That's that's crazier. I just like one too, just like
I'm just gonna go through your freaking head. That's sounds painful.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
There we go. Last question, Thank you guys for Well,
the heart of a shrimp is located on this a
their tail, be their head, see their bottom or do
their stomach?

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I would guess it would be undertail, it's their bottom
their bottom on I don't know where the heart is
guys heartless? All right, we'll be right back for some
music video discussion.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
It's almost like you do one.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Okay, guys talk about the music video for seven.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
You know this one. I mean it's Scott classic Anton
Corbin looks yeah. But then it also is so much
different than a lot of the anti Corburn because like
the weird acting that they do in it, with like
you know, the dancing, the dance routines. Right, it's very comical.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean he framed it as a like a theater play.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Right yeah, because it opens up the black and white
and the indie curtains right right there. It's unveiled, and
then you revealed this beautiful world of like an ocean.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
It's cool, the like the murals and stuff.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah, like an elementary school play where they would have
the moving waves and stuff like that. You know, like
like like somebody actually made it, and we're pros at
this because we were in theater. We were in drama
in high school, and we were in charge of building sets,
so we have some experience so we can really like
look at it and go, hey, you know what, because are.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Some pretty cool tricks, good waves.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Something pros made those, right, has hackneyed high school kids.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
But we have we have to train.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
I didn't do I didn't do two years of stage
theater for for nothing else.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
That's the whole degree right there, advanced, but we we
get him first, right, and it comes out like doing
his uttle swimming routine, his classic what do you call that?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Breast strokes strokes like that?

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Right?

Speaker 2 (25:25):
But is this dog paddle?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
No, it's just the classic swims, right.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Is what they teach you. That's the person.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
The guys are company.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Classic swimming.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
But anyway, Ian McCullough clearly can.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
In the Cardiffs, the Liverpool doctor. I think we're swim.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Cardiff by the Sea or Manchester, Manchester liverp.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
I always forget that they're from Liverpool and then you
hear them talk, especially like I will sergeant. He sounds
like he's like he could be in the Beatles. It's
like wild.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well, yeah, it's a it's a musical town, right, I mean,
I'm sure, like you know, everyone's like you're just bombarded
by imagery of musicians there because it's such a legendary music,
you know, musical, So it's like I guess, I don't know,
like Nashville for country artists, right.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
So Aftercula comes out, it's him and it was Peter
fried right, Peter Frieda is playing drums, right, drums and
then reading a newspaper. He's reading a newspaper in front
of drum sets a line, right, yeah, And then is
that when Les Pattinson comes out as a penguin as
a penguin, right.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Was that him?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
He has a stand up bass, right, he brings and
then he put he puts a monocle on and then
starts playing the stand up.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
He kind of looks horrifying right as a penguin. Like,
It's kind of unsettling because I remember the cover art
for the for the song the single. I think it's
it's him, you know, dressed up in that thing, and
it looks like Deviatos penguin in a much more in
a young a younger self of him or something. This

(26:57):
origin story it was Oswald.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
But it has a very like also like silent movie.
I know, it's like a Victorian kind of, but it
also has like silent movie vibes too, with like the
makeup and stuff like that. Looks very much like a
silent movie.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
But also like many children's plays, you know, yeah, like a.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
You gotta have an exaggerated makeup for your features to
be to stand out in the theater.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
But as well as they're acting too like they're not
really being adult like you. They're kind of being playful
and playing around with each other. But freedis is not
He's just himself. Ryeah. Yeah he has a snare in
the in the high hats. But yeah, McCullough has some changes.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
But before that we get well Sergeant comes out of
himself too. Though.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
What's funny is they push like he was reluctant to
get into the scene, but they kind of they push
him out and they push him out like again like
a child's play, right, he gets pushed out. I don't
want to go, but he does, and he finally gets
out and then he performs it's.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Funny twelve string tear drop guitar and so but as
that's happening, it's there's going to like different parts on
like a really cool map, right, that's just like a
drawing old timy map.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, was like Iceland, like Vic cartographers exactly from like
the seventeen hundreds.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, it was Raca Vic.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
First, there's Liverpool, There's ben Venezia, which is Venice.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Right, Monaco doesn't go right Rocco.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
So yeah, like just do you think that was a
choice by That's what I'm curious about. Or is it
a destination spot for Anton Corbin's whims about him, you
know the guys and the guy loves putting subtleties.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
But yeah, maybe because like Liverpool's a port city, that's
where they poured out two different.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Seas, right, Yeah, they enter through the seas and then
they land in those ports. Yeah, it's good. That's a
good theory thought about that.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Maybe it's the Ocean Rain tour the legs the Ocean
rainfor if you if you notice too, like a lot
of the promotions for Ocean Rain I had to do
with nautical images like ships and stuff, so you know,
maybe seven Seas was part of the whole design. And
We're too you know if you watch a Killing music video,
which I don't think Anton Corbin directed, No, he didn't

(29:04):
direct it, right, Like that's also has a ship theme,
So this is I guess the Ocean Rain is there
there their Aqua album, I don't know they're I mean
Evan up here though. The art is they're in the
beach because you know, They had a theme going with
their cover art right from the beginning, from crocodiles to
you know crocodi tree, right, yeah, they're in the tree, porcupines,

(29:26):
like the glaciers, the crabs, right and then evan up
here they're in the beach, and then ocean rain. They're
in the ground river, subterranean river.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
I guess yeah. They said a cool spot. They said
that they didn't want to be on the covers, so
they the record company said like, no, you have to
be on the covers. We want you on the covers.
So they they said that they picked like these crazy
they got a photographer that would pick these crazy areas,
so you look at everything else but them.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Right, So like and then they're not the folks, they're.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Not the focus. You're looking at these beautiful images in
the background and they're just the standing there, you know.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Because that was always in Ocean rains cover, like they're
like in caverns almost right, like they're in a little ship.
It's like, uh, the river sticks almost like you're crossing something.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
That does right right, the ferryman, you know, exactly, very cool.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
They say, we're the cover where it was where it was.
It's like it's in England somewhere.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Now where a Bow shot the Mask music video.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
It's in Cornwall.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I have no idea how cornwalls and geography.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Is, like, right, it's uh England, UK. It's like a
dugout cavern. And then it just it kind of like
they lit.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
It and it's lighting that cool blue black. Okay, so
now we get we get to the part of the.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Video then then the questioned our But at the same
time it's also solidified it.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Right, is this This isn't the only time I mccolla
has a dressed as a woman, right, does any dude
it looks like sugar to or no?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Well this is before?

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to see if you remember if
he's done it before or not.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
I don't recall anything.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Maybe maybe this is the only one. I'm just I
just always put it in my own music video.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Like Louise Memory splinters the moment he saw Ian hing around.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
The funny thing about it is like you think they're
such a serious band, you know, and even in like
the interviews, like he's such a prick when he talks. Yeah,
he's very much like Oasis and like the Gallicer Pros.
I'm like, oh, they're just doing like the mccaullaugh, you know,
like kind of like stand offish all the time, you know,
but they just this whole video to them just like

(31:35):
messing around. It's kind of like doesn't really fit their
kind of vibe that they were giving off, you know.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
But it's a shock to see. Wait, is this the
same band? Yeah, these actors, because they're being goofy, yeah,
like playful. I guess could you do what he's doing?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
He's so he's dressed like a woman, right makeup. Yeah,
and then he's doing like this weird thing with his
arms that I can't do it because he's like double.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Joy so like lean and like his body and he
thrusts is his chest forward and his lower body a
little backward to wed exaggerated.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, and his albums almost like touch each other.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah. But yeah, he's a he's a he's a thin,
brindle flied out and the kind of build.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
You think when we met him, he's got sixth one
two Yeah, I think so, and at that time he's
probably what like one hundred pounds at the most at least. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, he's a lanky kid.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
I mean you see his fingers how long? Yeah, put
it on his face.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
He's slender man.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
He's like the has like Patrick ewing hands fingers like
he could pull my basketball right yeah, probably dunk it.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah. I think it's a coordination. You know. Maybe you
can dribble with his helpows like holding the pall like
you can do a Jordan from the how I film
it Man, you must he could probably shoot a good
free throw, you know, or a lob ass maybe over everybody.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, yeahs his hair over the hair. So he was
supposed to be the lead singer for Tear Dropper Explodes
like before the band before that, it was.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
The original band.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
And that's such a cool name. I love I always
love that CRUI three.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
It only lasted a few weeks.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, he got fired from that.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
The only reason why that name still sticks around is
because all three members became these you know, big in Japan. Yeah,
it's the name of course. And then the Money Man.
So yeah, those three bands became so big in England.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
There's a there's an actual book that I used to see,
like I don't have it, I don't own it, but
it's like it shows you the tree line of musical
acts and what they spawned, you know, so like this
guy left to form this band and this guy left
to form this other band. Like it's crazy just to
see that the family tree of music music acts from
England during the post punk era.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Right, And you know when you listen to interviews, like
you realize like they kind of all meet each other,
you know, Like I remember Paul Simpson from the Care
You remember that when that one podcast where he interviewed,
He was interviewed and he talks about like he's met
all these people, like Will Sergeant, He's met all of
these people and they were still all young kids at
this time. But after a while everybody started forming these bands. Right,

(34:13):
some were never successful, but when they splintered off, then
they met other people and then then they became actual
like established acts in England. So interesting how that happens. Huh.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, it's community community.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
And I was listening to a podcast where Will Sargent
was being interviewed and he says like, yeah, I still
hang out with Paul Humphreys all time because over my
house all the time, we just mess around, listen to records.
You know, so they're still all like now, I.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Grew up together. I mean It's not unlike you know,
when we hang out, right, like we know these different
band members, we played with them, we will have a show.
It's not like that level where these guys get Yeah,
they might acclaimed, but yeah, exactly what the idea is,
Like you collaborate and you talk and you hang out
and you go to the same parties and know the
same people and you just bros basically, and then like
they might even to produce you guys, or let me

(34:56):
play this thing when you're you know yeah, or that
maybe you have a show when they come jump in
and play one song and that's like a small version
of what they're doing, right.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
I mean, we're talking about the video, but if you
the music. An album came out a couple of years
ago during COVID when like everything was on lockdown. But
I needed this album, this Echo on the Buddy so
much that it ordered it and I went into a
record store with all all mess like I was like
an alien from another planet to go buy this, to
go buy this record, this Echo and the Bunny record

(35:26):
that I had to have. But it's the complete Pill
sessions on like a two album vinyl. Yeah, yeah, it's
an official release. John pil session. Amazing this album before
it came out. They played all the songs on John
Pill before they went to the studio to record it,
so you hear like the first versions of it, and
you hear the first versions of seven se it completely

(35:46):
sounds different. I mean the percussions like crazy. You can
still hear the song there and it's still there, you know,
but it's just different. But that album, like if You're
an echo on the moneyman Head, that's such a good
album because all the songs are it's so cool, like
to see the PROGRESSI another song from that to do that,
and it's recorded well, like it's recorded during the John
Pill session, so it's recorded nicely, and that they're really

(36:08):
going for.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
John Peel sessions are so good. And then speaking of that,
the maybe late nineties, maybe early two thousands, when they
released the Ecomon box set with the Forward pavements, Stephen Malcolm, Yeah,
he writes this long thing about them. But yeah, that's
another amazing thing. That's a good it's good to have
a lot of great songs.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's the one that we got. Yeah that it's blue right,
the ocean, it's the ocean rain in the front right right, Yeah,
I remember that because I remember the Pain and Black
cover exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
That's the one because I.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Love that cover so much. It was a live one too,
and they just just nailed it. Sounds so good, a right,
The sounding just came from a studio, was like a
casual put this on the album in the end, he says,
he says that little equip in the end.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Also, when they're when they start kind of getting into it,
you start seeing like the fish flying across stage, yeah,
and like the different things happening and stuff like that
while it's going back and forth between the mapp yeah
and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
And then all four of them kind of swim along
with it as along with the fish swimming. And they're
swimming with a fish.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
And that's what does the Humpy Voguart thing mean though?
Is it?

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah? I think it is because they go to the
last one they go to is Costa Blanca, and then
it's it's a picture of Humpy Bogart with if you
could look close to he has bunnyman ears. Oh yeah,
so he has the hat on and there's bunny min
ears coming off the hat. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
It's a lot of like twisted references. That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Okay, And I think that's something that they did because
I have a shirt, like a reissue of a shirt
that were with James Dean with Bunnyman ears. They would
just do that too.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
They just deface these guys they're bank seeing.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Iconic figures.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
It's like disrespect, disrespect. It's too big. I might have
to throw this video back.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
But the beautiful thing about this video I really love
is the curtains. They're so cool looking, amazing. It has
written and then at is again.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, I mean kind of reminds you of what was
this Friday? I'm in love? Kind of has that vibe too, right, Yes,
there are like on.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
A stage two and it has like a weird vaudeville.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Vibe vibe a lot of you know, painted murals as well.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Because it has that intro outro thing, you know with
the curtains.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
But that's a Corbin touch. He never did that Joy Division.
How dare he not?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
It's too early in his career, too early.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
And then and then all of a sudden he like,
you know, he's we've done videos for him before. So
of course he has done a lot of the patch
Mode videos. We've we've touched upon him and then of
course Front two four two's music video for Headhunter as well.
He's done like several you think he makes maybe he
doubles in it, but yeah, I think he's more film, right.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I think he has a Louisiana.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Something like that he plays, he's producing.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
He plays with Allen.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I think in Mongolian throats.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Like information on this video is there's no information on it. Yeah,
it has an IMDb, but it just has you know
them in it and then antarcrment but nothing else. And
if you look up Ocean Rain video, it doesn't nothing
comes up other than that IMDb. So it's kind of
a bummer. I was hoping to like something but show. Yeah,

(39:21):
I'm guessing maybe because it's like the third single maybe
you know.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, Well he's lately he's just been doing depeche Mode
video still their newer materials. So yeah, twenty twenty four
he did a music video with them for Before We
Drown from.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Oh and then he's been putting out the like depeche
Mode books those.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
There's a documentary coming out. Maybe he's involved in that.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
He's doing a movie called Switzerland. He's a director and
it's production starring Helen Mirren Olivia Cook. But yeah, he's
directing that movie. It's a crime drama.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Ah, there it is.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Is it gonna be in black and white?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
This stuff's always beautiful looking, but no, the video is
straightforward other than like them joking around, but it's just
beautiful and it's good to see good pace such a
funny side of them. I think that's kind of the
why I picked this video, because it's so out of
their range, you know, like the other ones later on
in life are black and white, but they're kind of
being serious sort of, you know, and it's very pretty

(40:14):
much just like Anton Corbin style, kind of like photo
shoots almost, you know. And then before that they're kind
of like young and angry, like the Cutter video where
he's wearing like a Fred Perry and they're just playing
like as fast as they possibly can, you know. So
it's it's are like never stop as a video too,
but it's just like a live performance of them playing.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Yeah, those were included that thing.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Kelly Moon a pretty gothy video.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, it's kind of gothy, but it's very like a
black and white and kind of looks like almost like
a moving picture sort of.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah, this is very colorful, like as opposed to Kelly
Moon's very wical. You know, it's really kind of muddy, right,
It's like you kind of have to like sift through
it you could really get what's going on. But this
one's real. That's why I think it's so nice about it.
It's very lighthearted, right, and like you said, the pace
is really nice and it goes really well with the music. Yeah,
it's good.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
It's it's super short and it's just like gets it
done and that's it. And it's funny when when you're
watching kind of like something and it pops up and
you're like, whoa, why are they playing? It's crazy good.
I'm happy, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
It's a nice break and then you know it's like
it's very j and Carro you know, kind.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Of has that. Yeah, the colors to a lot to
do with it.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, is the whimsical, but it's probably the theatricalness of
it that kind of feel as well.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
That's correct, And I love this song amazing. I think
one of the things that too, that got me into
Echo the Money in early is like early online websites.
There's a website called Village Terrorists and there's like all
has all their guitar tabs. So I used to go
on it all the time and just like play all
the songs and like a lot of their songs are
like two chords. It's crazy. It's just like strumming, you know.

(41:45):
And so it was really easy to like kind of
like a pretty novice guitar player to like kind of
learn them and you could kind of do them and like,
oh wow, it's kind of cool, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, Like I I saw from the documentary that the
guitars for Killing Moon, it's basically just the reverse. Yeah,
that's crazy. There's like when he played it, I'm the
Oh fuck it does, hasn't it. But anyway, Okay, so
that concludes the musical discussion. We'll be right back after
these messages. Okay, sign for sign for a notable YouTube comments.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Percent of these YouTube comments are people like in their
fifties and and just talking about echo on the Buddy Man.
Are people talking about their old grandfather who listens to Eche.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Of the Buddy leads, I'm gonna do too, because there's
two good ones that stood out to me.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
So this one's from Slim Riddom. I clearly remember probably
sporting my best mullet, looking in all the secondhand clothing shops,
lanes down and bright and looking for a long coat
so I could look as cool as as Iam McCullough.
Such good times. A pretty nice one. And then here's
another one. This is kind of sad, but I showed
this for my dad's funeral. The song just brings me back,

(42:58):
brings me back to good memory of me, him and
my mom sitting around watching the vhs of all the
Echo and the Bunny Man videos. They were his favorite band.
Rest easy, Dad, I love you. You're just kind of
like talking about the vhs that you.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Had the same exact one because it was the same thing.
It was all their video.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool. But all of these are
just it's all about being older those into Echo of
the Bundy, which is kind of sad. Are there's a
couple like I don't even like the eighties, but this
is my favorite band, Like younger people and stuff like that,
talking about the vocals and different things like that, talking
about them, a lot of O. M. D Talk, a
lot of New Order talk, a lot of Depeche Mode talk.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Contemporaries. Yeah, yeah, I wonder if Ryan's X sold them
the videotape.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Remember my story was somebody broke into my mind one
of those storages and stuff got taken on Michael Simpsons.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
I remember recording from the.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
TV maybe that it's that wretched.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
We got sold in Liverpool. Now. I remember went to
move and all the CDs.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Are on the That's fucking what a violation, right.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
You have those like sad memories. I remember I had
a girlfriend who got into a really bad car accident
and it had her car had a CD player and
she had a lot of my CD collection in her
car listening to them. And I remember where did my
CDs go? And then we went to go look at
the car and they're just all over the floor in
the car, all scratched up, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Like, oh god, that's it over so sad.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Why did you have to have my whole Elephant six
record collection here?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Right?

Speaker 3 (44:26):
But it's just those things you lose them and then
it's like, oh I have that, it's gone.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
And that's before the days you can rip them in
your computer to make MP three fuss right.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, and this I mean I could just listen to
them all pretty much now, but still it's just back
then that was back then was like these CDs are.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
But also there's like a memory attached to it where
you got it. Maybe you ordered it, maybe you scored
it a play, you know what I mean. There's a little
thing with it that goes along.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
The and I love reading the the side notes and
all that stuff like that. And like at the art it's.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Just maybe lyrics or maybe like a little blip, little blurb,
you know.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, Okay, guys, seven Seas, would you keep it or
would you throw it back?

Speaker 4 (45:08):
After the fast one hour? I know you think, No,
this is a this is a very instrumental you know what.
I think I actually saw this video before actually seeing
Killing Moon because of that, you know, it's YouTube back then,
it was like in the mid nineties and.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
And MTV classical run.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
No, I never had. I always say, I think.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I think I do. I taped it, I keeped I
taped episodes of it, and I think I still have
those recordings too, And I think I may have shown
it to you maybe, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
But definitely seven Sees is the one that stuck out
because I was confused, like that's what they like. It
didn't seem like that would be them to doing those
kinds of things. So I liked it. Had it was fun,
it was engaging, you know, like I didn't know what
was going to happen in the video, especially the first
time seeing it. It's like them doing those characters and
and then of course the extra special bone.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
In drag In Drag So yeah, that's him.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
That sister.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
You're like a Bugs Bunny one of those cartoons and
Bugs bunnyhen you see Bugs Bunny and Dragon always followed
up right, the hard guys.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Definitely, Yeah, I love I love that man. I think, uh,
they have a special place in my heart. I mean
I would still go watch them if they were still
playing close By or something.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
But we caught them a Cruel World, right.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
They didn't know they played the Ocean by the Sea,
by the sea, Yeah, what is that one called the
Waves Dark?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
But we also played saw them caught him a Cruel
World the first the first second one, okay, because I
think they played the one with Susie in it that
got canceled midweight.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Okay. I thought they didn't make it to that one.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
I thought they oh we saw we were watching Oh really?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Ok yeah, that was the Biden Administration's cruel World. That
was Joe Biden's economy.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
But yeah, it's definitely a key. I love that man
man awesome and the video was great, don't get me wrong.
I love this video forever.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Later, No, of course I was good. I wanted to
do a joke and like we start recording and we
just say, oh, we're gonna keeping and then turn off
the but no, yeah, no, I love my favorite bad.
I was watching High Fidelity. I always forgot there's an
ech On the Bunnyman name drop in High Fidelity because
like someone comes into the store and it's like I'm

(47:20):
looking for the new X. I'm looking for ech On
the bunny Man, and then Jack Black tails him like
ech On the money Man. You don't want that the
man like he started talking about Jus Mary Chain, like
oh they kind of took over after On the bunny
and the Jews Mary Chain. Anyways. No, no, yeah, I
love this one. I keep it forever. It's a great video.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah all right again as for me, yes, of course
I'm keeping this one too.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I mean, how could you not not unless you're you
just don't understand post punk or just that era in time.
Uh and on Corbyn's art. So yeah, no, this absolute
keeper this is, you know, not the greatest music video
of all time, but it's you know, it's up there.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
On the side note, I think is kind of kind
of influenced a lot of the indie video making of
nineties and two thousand and even today. This this this style,
that playful kind of you know, cut see almost tweeish
kind of you know, like aesthetics to it.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Yeah, I mean it has that feel. Yeah, definitely has that.
Not the same, but I'm saying there's.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
A I think like Smashing Pumpkins did a music video
that kind of has that.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Field tonight or yeah that right.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Right, So you know it's a tried in true formula
music always works.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Last side note, I had a pea coat because I'm
a fan, like I said, and I had the Lee's
embroidery over there in love Point, I had it embroidered
the octopus.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
The octopus that's the beautiful.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Yeah on my pekoat And everybody loved it. They thought
it was like some art form because but they don't
know if they've never seen him before, like just random
people ask me about it. But unfortunately I got Jack.
When I went to a club, somebody broke into my
car and they took that.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Damn right, nobody's wearing that olt.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
I was twenty something years ago. So somebody walking around
in LA.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I wonder if he tried to go to the beach
in the Seven Seas somewhere and an octabus strangled them
to death, I hope.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
So every once in a while I'll Google search peacoat
Echo the Bunny Man try to find it. But I
think and nobody would know that. What you would would
echo the Bunnyman was yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
That's the obvious one, right, because I didn't want any
words or anything. I just wanted to be the symbol.
So awesome.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
So anyway, alright, b right, I'm sorry it happens. Have
this therapy session helped you go to get through.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Do go fund me to get it run a new court.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Buius a copy? Guys, please, how much did that cost
these letters?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Thirty five dollars?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
It wasn't too bad because this is like deal, right
ninety eight eight ninee money mus would bee hundred dollars
right back in the day.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Now, imagine that two tho hundred dollars probably get something
done like that. It's just just right on your back.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
You know, Okay, so that concludes the episode, and that's
for me. For our next episode, we'll do Sisters of
Mercy's Dominion.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
What year did that come on?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Nineteen eighty eight? Late eighties, late eighties. Yes, it's actually
one of the most expensive music videos ever mete at
that time. Oh really, it's still I think it's still up,
like yeah, it's like five million dollars. Really, yeah, it
still cost them five million hours to make this music video.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Damn do they pay for themselves?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
No? You? I mean I think a lot of it
went on location because they went on location for this one.
But we'll talk about it in that episode, all right. Yeah,
the outspent Stakespeare's Sister and today. All right, Thank you
for listening, guys, and see you next time.

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Speaker 4 (50:47):
See you soon.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
I can't swim, guys, so you know I have all
those motions are lost in me.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
You can't swim for I can't swim for reals, you're
born on an island.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I was born in an Ireland. But I was horrifiedable
wait went out.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Not dog paddle or even underwater, even like they frog swimming.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
No. I guess my brain would freak out if the
water starts getting in my head, Like if I'm beginning
to sink and there's nothing that my foot is touching,
I would freak out, and I probably caused myself.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
To drink automatic panic for your I'll.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Just panic and I'll die. So don't even try to
rescue me.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
If you die from drowning, you drive from dive from panic.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I drive a dive from panic than drowned. Tell you
the truth because you know it's it's a trauma thing,
right Like when I was a kid, I was in
the water theme parks in the Wilobines and they had
a water slide thingy there and my my sister in
law promised to catch me, you know, I was like
eight years old, to catch me from the slide. When

(51:42):
I come off and she failed to catch me. I
just sank in the bottom and I had no idea
what to do, and I freaked out the first time
I felt the sization drowning, and then once I got up,
I was like, nope, never again. I will never happen
to me again.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I could see that you're a pretty thin kid, so
I could see you know, floating.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, I did not float. I went straight down.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Were you enjoying yourself?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I was enjoying myself pre the slide and then yeah,
I think that's where Yeah, I'll be telling my therapist
that explain my fear of drowning.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
So after that, you never went down another watchlight.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I mean we went through raging waters that time. But
I was a little taller, so I know I was
going to sing and most right their shallow this one was. Yeah.
I was like probably four foot six or something when
this happened, So I was small kid, but yeah, I
can't swim. Yeah. Actually, today I got for CD. I
bought in on a long long time and finally came
in from England. It was it was b Movies Hidden

(52:37):
Treasures album. I ordered through their band camp website.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
They had their merch So you supported them.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
That's cool man, Yeah, so it's cool. I mean I
already heard the tracks on YouTube, but you got to
get the hard copy man. Sometimes, Yeah, it's nice to
have that. That was that was nice. Actually had you
know a little story about them written by someone during
that time when because it's a compilation of your songs
from eighty one to eighty three that could have been
in an album, but they never really got picked up.

(53:02):
Instead they got picked up but you know, we talked
about this in the B Movie episode. But you know,
like they got picked up by Sire who completely changed
their sound forever running album.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Are there originally a time wall? Is it a hidden treasure?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
That one is good, but it's a stupid version of
institution walls. There's super versions. The one that we're used to,
the one with the guitar, and there's one with the
guitar is like they lowered the hell out of guitar.
The guitar completes the song, so the song sounds very
bare without the guitar. Anyway, Like I'll put this in
the out there.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
It's not going that's a joke that only B movie
fans will get and nobody.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Nobody else will get it.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
So yeah, other than like the band that plays Nowhere
Girl so called institution, wh what