Ep.167 Dream Not Dream (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,
we want to one of those areas thirty one. Do
you wish to find a report of any kind of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Areas thirty one me neither.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
There sad one golf.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
If it was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, Okay,
OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
God. I don't know what it was, but it's from
at least to three thousand feet above us. See, I
passed out over the top of us ninety one one.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
You just called both to be be four.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
He is to God on an unidentified object every liberty
or call or calm on an unidentified flying object A.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share their
experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
I would like to be on the show. You can
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Speaker 3 (01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you,
my friends? We have the pleasure of Indie this episode
coming to us from North Carolina and she will be
sharing her lifelong experience is with UFOs and et contact.
Starting in infancy. She has had UFO sightings, several dream
not dreams of being on board ships with the Grays,

(02:11):
screen memories, beings physically in her home, witness by Indie
and her partner, and her involvement in the hybrid program
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Speaker 5 (02:49):
Show, Hello Indie and welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Hey Meg, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
You're more than welcome it's great future coming on today
and you're calling from North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yes, that's right down on the coast Indy.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
You're going to be sharing lifelong encounters with UFOs and
ET contacts. Would you like to start the very beginning please?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah. So, So I lived in Arat, North Carolina when
I was really little. We lived there until I was
about four years old, and a lot happened while I
was there. I was only aware of a little bit
until recently, but basically what I was always told growing

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up from my mom was that she was out in
the yard hanging up hanging up clothes on the clothesline,
and all of a sudden, a huge triangular UFO came
right over her and hovered right over her, and she was,
you know, kind of transfixed on this thing. She didn't
know where it came from. It was very sudden, and

(04:05):
she was staring up at the bottom of this ufo.
And she doesn't know how long she was there. She
doesn't remember anything afterwards. She just remembers like kind of
feeling disoriented after that experience. And she would tell us
this story many times when we were kids, and it

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was kind of just accepted in our family that there
is more out there that there, you know, beings from
other planets here, and it was never really questioned. And
looking back at it, you know, my dad never really
questioned that either. He kind of you know, normally he'll
kind of poke fun at stuff that is out of

(04:47):
this world, out of the ordinary, but he never poked
fun at this story that my mom would tell about
this UFO experience, and looking back, that was kind of odd.
Come to find out later, he actually had several experiences
around that time too. I'm going to come back to

(05:07):
this because I found out quite a bit more later.
But that's where it all started, was when I was
an infant actually, so nineteen eighty seven nineteen eighty eight
were the main years that things were going on there.
There were a lot of UFO sightings in that neighborhood
in general, a lot of the neighbors were talking about it.
So yeah, so not sure everything that happened then, but

(05:32):
that's where it started. And then when I was four,
we moved to a town called Blacksburg, Virginia. This is
where Virginia Tech is. If you're familiar, it's like a
university and it's in the middle of the mountains. Beautiful
beautiful place. So at that point I was four, So
this is when I started having like conscious memories, and

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in general, I was a super sensitive kid, Like I
picked up on energies from other people, energies from places,
had a lot of paranormal experiences when I was younger.
My siblings did as well, and that was kind of
just like park with a chorus for us. We have
a home place out in Stuart, Virginia. It's like this

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old used to be a boarding school, and then the
boarding school burned down and my grandparents lived in the
girls' dorm area and then the boys dorm area was
for storage, and there was a lot of paranormal activity
out there. So you know, I've always kind of been
aware of things on the other side of the veil,

(06:41):
if that makes sense. Yeah, So growing up just kind
of like different experiences. I will say, when I was younger,
I always had this fear of going to sleep, and
I actually still have kind of a nervousness when I'm
falling asleep. And I had basically a phobia when I

(07:03):
was younger of intruders coming into the house. And we
had never had break ins in our house, like it
was a safe you know neighborhood. We had never had
that happen, But even as a little kid, I was
like terrified of going to sleep and something happening while
I was sleeping, And looking back, I'm kind of realizing, like, Okay,
there actually were things happening. But yeah, So I was

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not aware of why I was so nervous at the time.
But in two thousand and nine, it was late in
the summer in two thousand and nine, my boyfriend at
the time and I were driving back towards my parents'
house and we were coming down the road that we
lived on, and there was a golf course off to
the right and then houses on the left and right.

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When we turned onto our road, I saw this orb
of light and it was I don't really I said
in the email that it was about the size of
like two jeeps put together, but it was an orbits
around orb and it was like an orange white yellow
kind of color, and it was hovering over the golf

(08:10):
course and then it shot off to the right over
the hill and we couldn't see it anymore and didn't
make a noise that we could hear. We were in
the car at the time. But then it shot back
and another one joined it and we blew down the road.
Got my brother, who was at my parents' house at
the time, got him to come outside and watch this

(08:32):
with us. So my boyfriend, my littlest brother, and myself
were all watching this happened and it lasted for a
few minutes where they would kind of do this dance
of like disappearing coming back. Yeah. So that was the
first time that I had consciously seen something like that,
and it was really I mean, it was beautiful, and

(08:53):
any orb that I've seen basically what it looks like,
and there have been, this one was kind of orangish, whitish,
but it looks like there's frosted glass on the outside
and then light is coming through it. So I've heard
a lot of your guests say that the light doesn't
illuminate on the trees or the ground or whatever, and

(09:15):
I've had the same experience with the orbs that I've seen,
and it kind of looks like it's thick frosted glass
with a bright light coming through that, so it's almost
like a softer light in some way. So that was
the first one, and then later that year, I also

(09:36):
my littlest brother. He has always been kind of obsessed
with UFOs and he has a whole bunch of experiences
in a short period of time around this time, probably
for about three years, he had seen one after another.
But he called me one night and he was in
a neighborhood not too far from where it was at

(09:56):
at the time, and he was like, you've got to
come here, now, you have to see this. And I
got got over there and he had told me that
he watched basically this And now I may not be
remembering all of the details exactly as he told me.
It was quite a while ago, but he said that

(10:17):
these lights were all together in certain formation. I'm not
sure if it was triangular or what, but they all
came together and then they shot in different directions and
they were like discs, and they went in different directions,
and they were hovering over this part of town, but
they were hovering over my brother and his friend, and

(10:39):
they were discs maybe the size of like dining room,
like a round dining room table, but it was He
said that he watched them cloak themselves essentially, like he
didn't use that terminology then, but you know, hearing caring
more about UFOs now, it sounds like they were cloaking themselves,
but they stayed hovering, like over this general area of town.

(11:03):
And by the time I got there, I was able
to see probably three or four of them hovering, and
it looked like the bottom of the disc kind of
a half bowl shape sort of, but it looked like
it was mirroring back the sky. It's really hard to explain,
but it was almost like it was mirroring, mirroring the

(11:25):
sky so that it would blend in but you could
still see them. And then we watched them for quite
a while. I was probably there for twenty or thirty
minutes just watching them, and they slowly faded until you
couldn't see them anymore. I didn't see them like shoot
off or anything like that. They just slowly faded until
you couldn't see them. That was really really interesting. Another time,

(11:50):
so there's a road from in the town over from Blacksburg,
there's a town called Christiansburg, and there's a road that
runs from Christiansburg and to Radford called Pepper's Ferry Road.
And I was coming down Pepper's Ferry heading towards Radford
and saw probably fifteen or twenty what looked like balls

(12:13):
of fire in the sky. But I think that they
were orbs like similar to what I have seen, but
this was pretty far off, so it wasn't I wasn't
really close to it. But I saw probably fifteen to
twenty orbs of like bright orange, pink yellow kind of color.
And when I think back to it, like where they

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were placed, they were probably right about where the arsenal is.
So there's a huge arsenal in Radford, and so I've
heard that they kind of can get curious about arsenal areas,
and that was about where they were, so I don't
know if that was connected or not, but and I
watched them for quite a while. I ended up having

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to go. I don't know if I was going to
work or what, but I couldn't couldn't stay and watch.
But yeah, that one was That one was really interesting.
So this next one was probably the most intense sighting
that I've had and close up encounter that I'm aware of.

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But it was in the fall of twenty seventeen, and
I was with my friend. I'm just gonna call him
Tom because I don't know if he would want me
saying his name, but Tom and I were out. We
used to go up to this observatory out near a
mountain lake where they filmed the movie Dirty Dancing, and

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there's like this beautiful stone hotel up at the top
of the mountain. There's like hiking trails, it's really gorgeous
up there, and on your way up the mountain on
the left, there's this observatory and it's essentially like a
big deck sticking off of this side of like a
steep hill that goes into a valley. And if you're

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on the observatory and you're looking down the mountain, then
there's Giles County. So if you're if anyone, if any
of your listeners are familiar with this, this was right
over Giles County. And so it was a really clear night,
the moon was out, the stars were absolutely beautiful. There's

(14:20):
really no light pollution up there, and it was eerily quiet.
Like normally when we were out there, we would have
cars coming by here and there because there's this hotel
up up at the top of the mountain, and usually
there would be at least one or two people coming
out to the observatory for periods of time, but we

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didn't see anyone that night, and it was just like
eerily quiet. It was very it was very weird, but
we were watching we were just kind of looking at
the stars, and over by the moon there was this
star what I thought was a star, kind of below
the moon, and it looked like it was getting bigger,

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and I just kind of kept an eye on it
for a couple of minutes, and eventually I was like,
that is definitely getting bigger. I'm not sure what that is.
So I mentioned it to my friend Tom and I
was like, hey, do you see that light over there.
It looks like it's getting bigger and he said yeah,
but I wasn't gonna say anything, so we just watched

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it for quite a while. And what it ended up being, well,
it got closer and closer and it came over like
ridge after ridge after ridge, until eventually it was like
right in front of us. And it was very strange
because it was almost like whoever was manning this craft
or I don't know if they were manning the craft

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or like or somehow controlling it from like another craft
or what. I don't know, but it's like they knew
that Tom and I were up on the observatory and
saw us from like many many ridges over and slowly
made made its way closer to us. So as this

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was happening, I was super transfixed, Like I was so
curious and really excited to watch what was going to happen.
I didn't feel any fear about this. I was just
really excited about it. And when it got closer, it
was basically a huge orb that was pink orange white.

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It was kind of like it's a color that I
have never seen other than with these orbs. But it
was quite large. If you look from the left to
the right, like through the centerline, it would probably be
as wide as like a bus, like a tour bus.
So it was pretty big. And again it looked like

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this pink orange white light was kind of shining through
this thick frosted glass, is what it appears like. And
there were no other markings, like no flashing lights, no
seams that I could see, no metal or anything. It
was just like this orb of light, but it was
definitely a craft. It was solid. It got about probably

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one hundred and fifty yards away and was covering right
in front of us, and my friend Tom freaked out
and was we've got to go, and he started running
towards the car and I was the one who drove
so like I couldn't. I couldn't leave him hanging, you know,
So I ran to the car, started the car. I

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was kind of bummed out about it because I really
wanted to see, you know, what was going to happen there.
But I got in the car. As soon as we
pulled into the road and started going down, you kind
of go around kind of like a I don't know,
gradual bend in the road. And then there was a
sharp right curve. As we were in that first sharp
right curve, another craft, same kind, but it wasn't the

(17:58):
same one. It was another one, and it came up
behind It was waiting, I swear to god, it was
waiting for us, behind this behind this ridge that was
kind of over to our left, and it came up
and came over the car. And it was huge. I mean,
you know, we were in like this little gray Volvo
and this orb was much larger. Like I said, it

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was about the same size as the other one. Probably
from like one side to the other was about the
size of a tour of us. And it came right
over the car. And I didn't hear anything this whole time.
I didn't hear anything while we were outside of the
car with the other orb that came closer, and I
didn't hear anything with this one that came over the car,

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but Tom and I both kind of felt this really
eerie feeling and Tom was freaking out. And I felt
the energy shift and again, like I said, I'm like
really sensitive to energy shifting, and it was like this
really intense shift and energy, and then it felt like

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this super strong magnetic pull, almost like Tom and I
were magnets and whatever this was above us was the
other magnet kind of pulling us up. But we weren't
aware of actually like being lifted up. We just felt
this very odd magnetic sensation, and especially around the top

(19:25):
of our head, but it's like our whole bodies felt
like magnets. And then I asked Tom, I was like,
are you feeling this? And he said yeah, and he
was like, we just need to get home. And then
I don't remember anything after that until and I have
no idea how much time passed either, honestly, but all
I know because it was dark when we were at
the observatory and it was dark when I got back,

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so who knows. I really didn't check my watch or anything.
But when this craft was over us and I kind
of blacked out. I became aware again as I was
pulling into his driveway down in Blacksburg, which is about
a twenty five minute drive, and I did not remember
anything about the drive from the mountain to his house.

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And that was definitely that was the strangest one I
would say, as far as how close they got and
how strange it felt. Now, it was weird because Tom
and I really didn't talk much about it after it happened.
It was kind of like, Okay, that was really weird.
Not sure what that was. We did see like some

(20:32):
strange lights in the sky that who knows what they were.
It could have been, it could have been something else,
but we we did kind of keep our eyes to
the sky for a little while after that, and we
did see some strange things, but nothing like that night
out of the observatory. So now I called Tom recently
just to like confirm with him that I'm remembering things

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the same way, you know. I wanted to make sure
that I wasn't forgetting anything or remembering anything correctly. And
he he still remembers it the same way that I did,
but he also told me that later that year, when
he went for the holidays with his mom, he was
hanging out at his mom's house and light just like
this bright light completely filled their house and then he

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and he and his mom both they don't remember anything
after that, like what happened with that. So I think
that Tom might be an experiencer as well. But I'm
not gonna not going to really say anything about that
to him. I'll let him kind of, you know, go
on his own journey with that. Now, there were some

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other weird things that were going on. That was in
twenty seventeen. I lived in this little house in Blacksburg
for about five years, and I lived there by myself,
and there were all kinds of weird things that happened
in that house, paranormal activity every night, no matter what
time I went to lay down, it was like right

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after I laid down, there would be like all this
banging and clanging in the back of the house with
metal pipes and stuff. And it wouldn't happen during the day.
It was only when I would lay down I heard
like footsteps in the house. Strange, just strange things in
that house. But let's see, in twenty nineteen, I moved
to Wilmington, North Carolina, and this is down on the

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east coast, kind of close to South Carolina. Moved down
here and about three months after I moved here, COVID hit.
So we were outside a lot kind of yeah, just
out in nature a lot. It was really really nice,
but I will say my stress levels were super high
with all of this COVID stuff and kind of not

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really sure what's going on here. And on January sixth,
there was like a major political event here in America,
and that night I was like completely freaking out, and
all of the sudden I went from like panic attack
mode to it was. It was strange. I was sitting

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on the couch and I felt this energy flow in
through my crown and like fill my entire body with
this calming energy. I don't I don't know how to
explain it, but it was like completely calming. It completely
settled my system down, and it grounded me. So if
you're familiar with grounding, with like yoga or meditation or whatever,

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you know, feeling kind of really in your body and
fully settled and grounded and like connected to the earth,
it's a much better space to be than kind of
at least for me, than like up in my head
and kind of floating around, so it grounded me. It
really calmed me down, and my stress level immediately came down.
And it was interesting because it was kind of like
this spontaneous healing that happened, and I didn't know where

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it came from, but it settled me down. And that night,
like right after this spontaneous healing from I don't know who,
right after that, I was led to channeled material from
three different places. So I was like on Instagram, I
was watching this Russell brand video and he was chanting

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and that was really nice. And normally I don't like
sit through and watch a whole video, but a few
suggestive videos came up under that, and it was three
different people who were channeling different beings from different places,
and it was just very strange because I had never
seen anything like this, heard of anything like this. But
right after this spontaneous healing, I was kind of led

(24:38):
to this channeled material and I got really interested in
like extra dimensional kind of extraterrestrial, extra dimensional, whatever you
want to call it, beings kind of making contact with
people through meditative experiences, channeling, et cetera. So I got

(24:59):
really interested in that and started watching interviews with ed
On Gaya and that was mind blowing, really beautiful, beautiful show.
His interviews and the people he interviews are amazing. So
I had become aware that, like there's there are other
ways to communicate with these beings. And was really curious

(25:20):
because as soon as I started hearing about quote unquote
star seeds, people who had had lives on other planets,
immediately it resonated with me and I was like, that
sounds really familiar, Like that sounds And on November eleventh,
twenty twenty one, I had an Akashak Records reading done
by a woman here in Wilmington, and she had come

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to me for as a client through my business and
we ended up trading and she did a Kashak Records
readings and in that reading she told me about some
past lives and things and it was really interesting. At
the end of the session, I asked about, Hey, I'm
curious if there's anything in the records about me having

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lived lives on other planets, and immediately she started channeling
through that I've lived lives on many other planets, that
I go up onto ships every six to eight days.
So I was not expecting that, Like I was, I
have never had an awareness of going up on ships
before this, before this time, and so I was kind

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of shocked and didn't really know what to think about it.
And I was kind of like, well, that's a lot
to take in. I'm not really sure if that's accurate
or not, and I kind of just put it down

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I went to go visit a couple of friends of
mine had come in from Virginia and they were coming
in just for a couple of days. So I went
down to Oak Island to have dinner with them, and
this was the same night, November eleventh, went down, grabbed
some food. I had a sound bath that I was
heading to after this, but I had about twenty minutes
to spare before I had to leave for the sound bath,

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and I had this really strong hole to go to
a specific spot on the beach down at seventieth Yeah,
it was strange, like I and it was on the
other side of the island, so like I was further
west on the island and I would have to go
back to the east side of the island to go
to this spot on the beach that I was really

(28:44):
being drawn to for whatever reason. And it really didn't
make much sense because I could have just gone straight across,
straight across the island. I've been at the beach, but
I ended up just following my intuition. Went down and
as soon as I parked my car, I noticed a
really big light over the ocean and I hadn't even
gotten out onto the beach yet, and I was like, huh, interesting,

(29:06):
don't know what that is. So I walked out onto
the beach and the closer I got to this light
in the sky, it was really strange and I can't
it's hard to explain it. Looked like it was spinning
incredibly fast, and then it was flashing lights like it
would flash between white and red and green and white

(29:30):
and red and green. But as it was spinning, it
was like lines of light coming off of the side
of whatever this was that was spinning, and it would
kind of come off and then the light would shoot
in a ninety degree angle. Light does not go in
ninety degrees like that, like it shoots straight off to
one side. But it was kind of it's hard to explain.

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It was kind of lines of light. It wasn't big,
big light kind of. It wasn't like a spotlight. It
was like thin lines of line of light shooting off
to the right and then shooting up from there. So
I'm watching this and I couldn't tell exactly what I
was looking at, and I called my partner and I
kind of joked with him. I was, haha, I might

(30:14):
get abducted tonight if anything happens. I was watching this
really strange light over the ocean, and he was, oh, cool,
get some videos. So I took out my phone, got
some videos, and it was weird when I looked at it.
Later that night, when I got home, I had taken
several videos, and I tried to take pictures as well.

(30:35):
When I got home, there were only two short videos,
and I had taken probably nine or ten of them,
nine or ten short clips, and then I had also
taken pictures. There were only two short videos on my
phone when I got home. They did show the spinning
orb and kind of whatever was, and it would get
really big and then really small and really big and

(30:56):
really small. It was coming closer. I don't know exactly,
and so it was very strange. My phone has never
done that where I've taken videos and then they just disappear. Well,
two days later, several more videos showed back up on
my phone from that night, so it was gone for
two days and then it popped back up as if
like I had taken them two days later, but I hadn't.

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It was all from the same night, So that was
really strange. When I went back to watch the videos,
you can see the spinning orb and you can see
the light shooting off and the white and the green
and red. But what was really weird was there there
were no clouds except for this one huge cloud that
was right below this spinning orb, and there was this

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huge cloud that was right on the horizon, so it
was kind of right down on the ocean. And when
I went back and watched the videos, there was all
kinds of weird purple flashes of light behind this cloud.
Now there were also two fishing boats back behind this
cloud somewhere too, so I don't know like what lights

(32:03):
could have been coming from the fishing boats, but it
was strange. They were like purple lights, and it looked
like it was flashing at all different areas behind this
huge cloud. And in one of the videos you can
see this. It looks like a purple light comes out
of the ocean and then hovers and it's still partially
behind the cloud, but it's all the way to the right,

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so you can still see where this light comes out
of the ocean, hovers, it comes up, it bounces almost
a little bit, and it's hovering and then there's purple
flashes behind it. So saw that, and then that night
after the sound bath, I went home and I was, wow,
what a weird day, you know, Like the Psychotic Records

(32:45):
reading was really intense. And then I see a UFO
right after that, and it was almost I was being
kind of prepared and you know, even from January on,
like I was being prepared for all of this to
start ramping up and become more conscious of what was
of what was happening. But that night I went to
sleep and had what I I didn't know what to

(33:07):
call this, but I kept calling it a dream not dream,
so I put it in the dream category because they
didn't have any other category to put it in. But
it was not a dream. It was something else. And
in this dream not dream, I was in a ship
and the same kind of light, like kind of soft

(33:28):
but still bright light coming through like frosted glass kind
of look on the inside of this ship, and it
was like round. It was like this big, round room,
and there was a being in front of me, and
he he had like this big head that he had
like this kind of really narrow chin, and his eyes

(33:52):
were huge, like almond shaped eyes. So your typical gray.
I did not know what grays looked like at this time,
but it was now, well now that I know, I'm like, okay,
that was definitely a gray, but like big black eyes.
And he was thin, and he had four fingers and
he was holding four fingers on each hand and he
was holding this plant and it looked like a corn plant,

(34:16):
almost like a cob of corn, but it was way bigger.
It was more bulbous, really big, and then it was
lime green instead of yellow, and the kernels were like
way bigger, and it was peeled down or whatever. And
he was showing me this plant, and then he was
telepathically communicating with me. He wasn't moving his mouth, but

(34:36):
I could understand everything. He was telling me no problem,
and it wasn't like hearing a voice. It was thoughts
being implanted in some way. It's really hard to describe.
But so as he's showing me this plant, he's saying
something about the humans and the masks. And then that's
all I remembered. And I woke up and I was like, well,
that was weird. That was strange, you know. So that

(34:59):
was kind of the first, the first time that I
had become aware that something more was going on. Maybe
I should look into this. And I ended up reporting
this fighting to move on, and I sent in the
videos and everything to the person who ended up getting
back to me later. But I filled out this whole
questionnaire and told told them what I saw, sent the videos,

(35:23):
but sev Talk ended up reaching out to me and
she's she's an experiencer that's been on your podcast obviously
and on many other podcasts, and she I had already
heard a couple of her interviews and she reached out
to me, and that was really cool to hear from her.
But I ended up sending her the video. She watched
them and helped me kind of understand what was going

(35:47):
on because there was a lot going on and I
was starting to put pieces together that there has been
a lot happening for a long time. So she has
helped me kind of process all of this, and she's
been and just beautiful and amazing. So shortly after that,
we were So this happened on November eleventh, and I

(36:08):
was thinking a lot about it, and like kind of
reading more about UFO experiences and stuff like that. I
found your show and started listening religiously, went back through
the archives, and I was really getting curious about all
of this. And we were heading down to my family's
house in Stuart, or the home place I mentioned before,

(36:30):
for Thanksgiving. A few days before we left, I called
my sister and asked her if there was anything else
that she remembered from that time when we lived in
Air rap I was a baby. She was about five
at the time, and when I asked her that, she
legitimately started hyperventilating, bawling her eyes out, and she said,

(36:57):
I'm so sorry, she was I just got flooded with
his memory. I did not remember this until just now.
And she said, I was little and you were like
a baby, and you were in your crib and Mom
wasn't in the house. So I'm wondering if this was
the time when mom was out in the yard. But

(37:17):
my sister was with me in this bedroom, and she
said that lights filled the house and she saw this
tall shadowy being silhouetted in the light. It was this
tall being with this big head. She said that she
didn't see other ones behind him, but she somehow knew

(37:37):
that there were like several others behind him. And she
also said that he didn't talk out loud, but that
she somehow knew that he was specifically looking for me,
And she ran to the toy box and like jumped
in the toy box and closed the lid. She was terrified,
legitimately terrified. But as she saw this being, she said

(37:59):
that it walked over to the crib where I was
laying and and she had jumped in the toy box
and closed the lid. So that was that was really
kind of like jarring to hear. But but she was
really panicking, like remembering this, this this event that happened
when she was little. She said that it was something
that would come up every once in a while when

(38:20):
she was a kid, and she would just kind of
like stuff it down, like nope, you know, not dealing
with this. But when I asked her, you know, last year,
it all fled it back at once. So that was
that was interesting to hear. And then when we were
heading down we had about a four or five hour
drive from Wilmington to Stuart, and as soon as we

(38:44):
were leaving the house, I got this flash in my mind.
It was like a vision of us getting in a
car accident. And I in the last year, I've been
getting more visions hearing things that I haven't heard before,
and I'll get more into that later, But I didn't

(39:04):
know what to make of this vision I was I was.
I just kind of thought to myself, like, oh, it's
probably just some anxiety about being on the road around
the holidays and people are there's people everywhere or whatever,
So we got on the road and a few hours
later it was getting dark and we were driving down
the road and the next thing I know, this huge

(39:25):
buck with big rack of antlers ran right in front
of my car. And I was going like sixty five
or seventy miles an hour and this buck ran right
in front of the car. We obviously hit it, obliterated
this poor animal, and he was so beautiful. I felt
horrible that I hit him. But he died instantly, like

(39:45):
he literally, you know, he was in two pieces, and
his head was kind of attached to the front of
the car. My hood flipped up. The rest of him went,
I guess over back behind the car, but my hood
flipped up and then smoked. Book was everywhere, and I
couldn't see anything. It was me and my partner and
our little pitbull in the back. I couldn't see anything.

(40:07):
I couldn't see how to like get off the road,
But somehow I safely got off the road, jumped out
of the car, grabbed my dog, and ran because we
thought it was on fire, and it wasn't fully on fire,
but there was a lot of smoke and nothing ended
up exploding, thankfully, But we jumped out of the car.
Everybody was okay, but it was very, very jarring, and

(40:28):
it was kind of like a holy shit, we just
almost died. And if anything had gone differently during that
car accident, if I had seen the deer earlier and
had swerved, I probably would have swerved into traffic, or
I could have gone spinning and flipping and all of that.
So there's no telling. But because of how it happened
and because the hood flipped up, we all made it

(40:50):
completely unscathed. But that night, my dad came and picked
us up off the side of the road and took
us back to the home place, and everybody was kind
of in shock, because you know, it was a pretty
shocking experience, and they were just way more open, and
I had all this UFO stuff on my mind, so
I just started asking the family, like, hey, guys, I

(41:13):
know this is weird, but what do you guys remember
about what happened in air rap when I was a
baby like that kind of stretch of time. And they
started opening up to me about all kinds of stuff.
So one my mom told me more about the UFO
and that it was so big that it blocked out

(41:33):
the sky and there were lights on all three corners,
and she said that it didn't really make a noise.
It wasn't there, and then it was there, and then
she doesn't remember like how long she was standing looking
up at the UFO and then it was gone, and
then she just remembers walking back to the house kind
of disoriented. And then my dad mentioned that there were

(41:57):
a lot of UFO sidings in the neighborhood in this
during this time. Now, an air rat it's kind of
placed in this weird spot in the mountains where it's
like a bowl. It's like a bowl of mountains and
you're kind of down in this bowl, and there's weird
nature anomalies. It would create, like a wind tunnel, and
people would get struck by lightning on a fairly offen basis.

(42:20):
So it was just kind of a strange natural place
and I'm curious off that. I don't know, I'm curious
about why they were there so much during that time,
but it may have been because they could have hidden
more easily. It was very rural, there was not a
lot of people out there, and you know, big steep
mountains and the town was kind of down in this mountain.

(42:41):
So anyways, the whole neighborhood. I was talking about all
these lights that they were seeing, and they were wondering, like, oh,
maybe it's military, who knows, I don't know whatever. But
Dad said that on multiple occasions, our house would fill
with light, with this bright light where you it was
so bright you couldn't even see your hand, you know,

(43:02):
like it was just the whole house would be completely
full of light. And then they don't know how long
it lasted, and then they don't remember anything afterwards, and
they didn't feel scared about it. I asked multiple times.
I was, well, you know, like when this happened, would
you run back and check on the kids? What was
going on there? And they said no, like it was
just really really strange, Like we didn't feel any fear.

(43:24):
It was just this weird thing that would happen from
time to time and it was disorienting, you know, but
they were more like curious and fascinated about it. But
it happened at least three times that the house filled
up with light, and that's from what my parents remember.
And then I think there was another time while my
mom was out in the lawn hanging up clothes and

(43:45):
me and my sister were in the house. That probably
would have been a fourth time. My dad was not
there at the time. That was really weird to hear about.
And my mom said that her first memory as a
three year old was of this tall, really tall man,
and it was like a shadowy figure, and she was
out on the stoop of her mom's house in Flint, Michigan.

(44:07):
She was out on the stoop and this tall shadow
figure was behind her, between her and the house, which
is only like six feet away, but somehow he had
just kind of appeared behind her. And she said that
he always thought that he had a big top hat on,
but she is not sure that if that's just kind
of how her brain filled in the details. But he
had a large either a large head or a large

(44:27):
hat on his head. She said that he didn't say
anything to her with his mouth, but she could hear
him in her head and he was looking for her mom.
So whatever this thing was and whatever, like all of
this is connected with, I believe that it's all connected.
It goes back through generations. On my mom's side. I

(44:48):
don't know about my dad's side. Maybe maybe on that
side too, but I know that on my mom's side
it goes back at least my grandmother, and so she
is Unfortunately, my grandmother is not not with us anymore.
But she always told us to like look at the sky,
look at the sky. And she always told my mom like,

(45:10):
of course there's you know, of course there's stuff from
you know, outside of this planet. Would be really self
centered to think that we are the only ones here,
So you know, she was always very open about that
kind of stuff as well. So after all of this happened,
I kind of started putting pieces together. You know, it
was really weird to hear my family opening up about

(45:31):
all of this strange UFO activity and then the lights
filling up with howse and my sister remember these beings
coming up to my crib and they were like looking
for me. And that's all like pretty jarring to take in.
But over time it's kind of settled in, and I
started thinking back to some other things that had happened
and started putting some pieces together. One thing that happened again,

(45:55):
as a kid, I was very sensitive, could since they
and feel things and see things, even full apparitions and
so on. So I've always been very very sensitive, but
there have been some like really unusual things that I
never could explain, and I didn't know what category to
put them in. So now that I've done some research,

(46:16):
I've learned about screen memories, and I think that this
might be what was going on. But one time when
I was young, I was probably five or six, I
saw a wolf walk into the basement of our house,
just walked right in, and then I don't remember anything
after that. And I was in the middle of the day,

(46:37):
like I wasn't sleeping. I was standing in the basement
and I saw this wolf walk in, and then I
don't remember anything. Another time I was And this is
weird because I've always questioned myself as to whether I
was awake or asleep. It felt very much like I
was awake, but it was so strange, and I don't
remember what happened afterwards, so I'm not totally sure. But

(46:59):
I was driving down Route eight, heading towards Stuart, towards
the home place, and all of a sudden, in the
middle of the road, and it was nighttime, in the
middle of the road, there was this four foot tall
white owl standing in the middle of the road staring
at me. And it didn't move, it didn't fly away,
It just stood there staring at me, and then I
don't remember what happened after that. And then another another

(47:23):
one that I think might be a screen memory, was
I was sitting outside of that little house that I
lived in in Blacksburg, and I was kind of having
a really rough time at the time, going through a
breakup and everything, and I was just not in a
good space. And I was sitting in my car, and
it was weird. It was at night, but my yard

(47:45):
seemed pretty bright. But at the time it didn't seem unusual.
For whatever reason, I don't know why, but I was.
I guess I was just kind of out of it.
But there were like twenty rabbits running around my car,
running as fast as they could have around my car,
and they will jet off in different directions and come
back and run around around my car. And I have

(48:06):
never seen anything like that with rabbits before. But I'm
not sure what happened after that. I don't know, but
in my mind it felt, you know, it felt like
a sign that like everything's going to be okay. So
it was relieving. Is when you see like really beautiful
animals in nature, when you really need to get a
nudge from the universe, it's going to be okay, You're
going to get through this. It kind of felt like

(48:27):
that that may have been a screen memory. I was
reading Communion. I haven't gotten all the way through it yet,
but they had mentioned that a guy had seen a
bunch of rabbits running around him and then people witnessed
him being taken. So I wonder about that time too,
but I really don't know. But beyond that, I also

(48:48):
had an experience where I woke up one morning in
that house where I lived alone. I woke up one
morning and it felt I had been Okay, this is
going to sound kind of strange, but I was single
at the time. It felt like I had had like
really really rough sex the night before. I was bruised

(49:12):
internally externally. I was in a lot of pain, and
nothing had happened the night before that I was aware of,
and I hadn't been with anyone for quite a while
and woke up just completely, yeah, kind of wrecked. And
I never knew what to make of that looking back,
and I've actually gotten some more information from the records

(49:34):
as to what happened there. But yeah, looking back now,
I'm realized that something had happened that night and I
just didn't remember it, so that was pretty rough. I
have woken up with scoop marks out of my lower back,
just like little scoop marks. And in the first aakashak

(49:55):
Records reading on November eleventh, when she had told me
I go up on ships regularly, she also told me
that I had an implant in my stomach left side,
on the left side. And after the session, she was,
you know, I'm going to do some reiki on you,
and I had my eyes closed. I didn't know what

(50:17):
all she was doing, but she was doing reiki, and
I felt this really strong sensation of what felt like
something in my left side, and it felt like it
almost get dislodged a little bit. It was pulling up
towards towards the front of my body. I was laying
on my back and there was a lot of sensation
around this super pinpointed area. And when we got done

(50:40):
with the reiki session, I was, hey, I don't know
what you were working on, but that was very weird,
and she said, yeah, I was sending reiki to the
area around your implant in case there was any like
scarring or whatever. But I actually felt where it is
and my body and it's to the left of my
solar plexus and down just a little bit. So that

(51:01):
was very strange as well. And I've woken up with
weird bruises and not known how I got them. So
and it wasn't unusual for me to have missing time
when I was younger. It just oh, where did the
last two hours go? I have no idea? And where
I lived alone for so long? Who knows? You know,

(51:22):
Like I have no idea, I didn't have anyone to
like reference off of, But it would not be unusual
for me to feel like, holy shit, literally had just
last a couple hours there, or a few hours sometimes more.
Now since November eleventh and all of this started, when
all of this started happening, a lot more started coming
to my awareness as far as like, what's happening in

(51:44):
the middle of the night. I will wake up in
the middle of the night and I'll be getting downloads
of information and it feels just file after file is
being dropped in into me, and it feels It's very
hard to describe, but it feels multi dimensional. I'm awake,
I'm laying in my bed, but it feels I'm kind

(52:05):
of in this multi dimensional space where I'm seeing three
D symbols of light and like mandolas and things of
light and these symbols that contain information and they'll like
infuse into me and I'll understand what it means. And
it's really this is very weird and it's hard to describe,
but I'm getting all of this information. I'll have visions.

(52:28):
I've gotten information about the planet and kind of the
state of the planet and the rebalancing of the planet.
I've gotten information around darker agendas and energies kind of
pushing in on the planet and an awakening that's occurring.
And I think that, you know, I know, the connection
between experiencers and spirituality is pretty you know, the kind

(52:52):
of go hand in hand a lot of the time,
and that definitely has been the case for me. And yeah,
so it's that has been very one night. We'll start
with New Year's Eve. On New Year's Eve, I was
going to try astral traveling for the first time, but
it ended up kind of being a rough night because
it was New Year's Eve and partying was going on.

(53:15):
I was not partying, but the rest of the world was,
and I really didn't get much time to meditate or
do whatever before going to going to sleep, so I
just put out the intention. When I went to lay down,
I was, Okay, if I'm meant to astroll travel tonight,
I will. I'm totally open to it. So I guess
that's all I can do right now, and I went
to sleep. The next thing I know, I'm having this

(53:37):
weird dream not dream, same kind of situation where with
the first time when I was on the ship with
the Gray and I was on this road that looked
really familiar in Virginia, and I was with my partner
and he was kind of tipsy, and somehow in this
dream not dream, he kind of wandered off down the

(53:58):
road and we got separated, and there was a UFO
over over me, and it was a disc, the large,
large disc, and then there were two grays, short grays
like maybe four feet tall or so, and they both
walked towards me, and in this dream not dream, I was, hey, guys,

(54:19):
you know, they looked really familiar. Everything felt safe and comfortable.
They came up and they both took one arm and
they were facing towards me still, but they would take
my elbow and my hand on either side, and we
just started raising up into the ship, like we were
literally raising up. And it was this very strange sensation.

(54:40):
We get up onto this ship and there was a
pilot and I didn't like talk to the pilot or anything,
but there was a pilot and these two Grays who
had brought me up. This is going to sound so strange,
but I was up there and I was like, oh shit,
I should probably tell Chris that I'm up on a
ship and I'll catch him later. So I pulled my

(55:01):
phone out to tell him, text him like, hey, I'll
see you later. And when I looked at my screen,
it was bright blue, and I don't know what time
it was. I don't know. It may have been I
don't remember like seeing an actual time, but there was
a symbol like a white rainbow over where the time

(55:23):
would be instead of the bars for reception or whatever,
and it was just the symbol of a white rainbow.
And then I don't remember anything else, So I don't
know if that was actual traveling or what that was,
but that was that was pretty cool. Then in late January,
so maybe like close to a month later, I woke

(55:43):
up in the middle of the night and was, and
it was weird. I could feel that something was off
in the house, kind of like that magnetic pull that
Tom and I felt out at the observatory. It feels
that in the house sometimes in the middle of the night,
and then sometimes I'll get down loads. Sometimes I don't
remember anything. But it was this weird magnetic, kind of

(56:05):
strange energy in the house. And I tapped my phone,
looked at the time, left to use the restroom was
gone like a minute, came back and my partner was, hey,
where have you been? And I was guy, I just
ran to the restroom. And when I laid back down,
I looked at my phone and at forty five minutes

(56:26):
had passed, and in my mind it had been like
a minute, and in reality had been forty five minutes.
So that was I think the most recent time that
I have missing time where someone else was yeah, someone
else was actually aware of it this time. And then
so early February, Chris and I were both sick, so

(56:47):
we were staying at home and kind of quarantining or whatever,
and I was laying in the bed and started feeling
these downloads happened, And when these downloads are happening, it
also feels energy work, like if you've received reiki or
some kind of energy work. It feels like some kind
of healing is happening as well. It's hard to describe,

(57:10):
but so I was experiencing this, and I was kind
of getting frustrated because I was, am I going crazy?
Is this actually happening or is this all just in
my head? And am I making all of this up?
I put out with my thoughts. I put out very clearly, Hey,
if something is happening right now, if this is actually happening,

(57:31):
I need a clear sign that I cannot mistake something
in the three D right here, right now, Otherwise I
have no idea if this is even actually real. So
I laid there and we had a humidifire on the
right side of the room, and it would make kind
of like this bubbling noise every once in a while.
And I was just laying there and would hear this

(57:53):
noise here and there, and I didn't hear anything else.
And then a few minutes later, I hear a really
strong tap, tep, tap tap tap, five taps on the window,
and it sounded someone was using their finger but tapping
really hard on the window. And holy shit, that it
kind of was a little scary, but I immediately dismissed

(58:16):
it and told myself, oh, that could have been anything,
which I don't know why I did that, but I
just kind of dismissed it. Two minutes later, it happened again,
tap tap, tap, tep tap. It was five taps. Two
minutes later, roundabout it happened again a third time, and
it tapped five times. And at this point I was
really nervous. I was there is something actually outside of

(58:38):
the window, and I don't know if I'm ready to come,
like face to face with it in waking life right now.
But eventually I convinced myself, Okay, just get out of
bed and look. But it had been a few minutes
since the last taps, and I opened the curtain. There
was nothing out there that I could see. But to me,
that's really all that I needed as a kind of

(59:00):
clarification that this is not all in your head. This
is actually happening, and it's you know, it's actually really
good for me to hear from my family. Yes, likes,
we're filling the house, Yes we saw UFOs, my brother
seeing UFOs, my partner noticing that I was missing all
of these different things. It's actually really helpful to have

(59:22):
other people kind of corroborating, so I'm not because it's
very strange. You do feel losing your mind sometimes with
all of this because it's just so out of the ordinary,
and it feels very multi dimensional. And we're told that
you know, what you see is what you get, this
is all that there is. And then obviously there's religious
beliefs that say there's more out there, but you have

(59:44):
to believe this, that and the other, and only I
know and you have to listen to me, and blah
blah blah. So like, it's very different from what I
grew up with as far as what is possible, as
far as our actual reality, and my my mind has
been blown essentially in the last year. My mind has
literally it feels like my mind is expanding further and

(01:00:07):
further out at such a fast rate. It's really hard
to keep up with. But it's and it's been really interesting,
but it's been really good as well, very positive experience
for the most part.

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Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
So last thing that I'll bring up. When all of
this started happening and things were kind of picking up,
I eventually set up an appointment with a hypnotherapist in
the area who has had experience with experiencers and was
comfortable like taking me under a hypnosis and seeing kind

(01:01:57):
of what was there, if anything. And the first time
I did hypnosis with her, she just kind of said, like, Okay,
go back to a time that was relevant wherever you're
subconscious or whatever is wanting to go. And immediately I
found myself on a ship and it was November eleventh,

(01:02:18):
and I was on a ship at the bottom of
the ocean. Actually I wasn't in space. They showed me
in hypnosis. They showed me the ship at the bottom
of the ocean from like the outside, and then I
saw I saw myself in the ship and I was
strapped to this table thing. At first, I was kind
of mostly upright, but I was strapped down everywhere. I

(01:02:42):
couldn't move, and there were grays all around me, and
I was freaking out. You know, being restrained is alarming,
and I didn't know what was happening. And I was
also naked, you know, in front of all of these beings,
and that's weird too. I'm strapped to this table thing,
but mostly upright here, and there was this one gray

(01:03:05):
who looked really familiar. I've known him for a really
long time, and he's tall, and I felt he was
standing right in front of me and like staring right
at me, and it didn't feel he felt safe, you know,
and incredibly neutral. When I talk about being able to
feel people's energy and feeling the energy of the space

(01:03:27):
and everything with the grays, a lot of the time
it's so neutral that it almost feel there aren't emotions.
But I've had other times that were actually very positive
where I did feel like very loving emotions from them.
But in this instance, it was incredibly neutral, almost as
if there were no emotions. And he was standing there
staring at me. And then I felt what all I

(01:03:48):
know to call it is like an energy drill. It
felt like a very small area that was of energy,
really intense energy being shot into my third eye and
into my crown Simultaneoulip and I don't know what this was,
but it was working on my third eye and my crown.
And then this gray who was standing in front of
me held my throat with his thumb on one side

(01:04:12):
and a finger on the other side, and I was
kind of freaking out because it was I was like,
am I about to get like choked? Like what is happening?
And it barely constricted my breathing blood flow or something.
But I was freaking out, but it was just barely.
The hypnotherapist was why what are they doing? Like, can
you ask why they're doing this? And immediately when I thought,

(01:04:33):
what is the purpose of all of this, immediately I
got an answer downloaded telepathically that they are opening up
a channel of communication. And so it was third eye, crown,
and throat and that was fascinating. After that it got
a little more scary. They actually flipped me back, so
now I was laying, you know, I was I didn't

(01:04:55):
have any clothes on. They had me on my back
and I was still strapped down basic this long piece
of technology that they had. I don't I'm not sure
like what it was for, but they essentially put it
up inside of me, and it was painful. Even under hypnosis,

(01:05:16):
I was feeling all of this happening, and it was
pretty extensive as far as like kind of I don't
know what all they were doing, but there was quite
a bit of pain on my left side and just
in general around the pelvic area. And then after they
were done with that, they flipped me back up to
standing and kind of took all the straps off. And

(01:05:39):
I followed this tall gray back into the next room.
And the next room over was this big round room
that where I had originally had the dream not dream.
So in the dream not dream, the one where the
gray was standing in front of me with this plant
and like explained to me that something about the humans

(01:06:03):
and the masks, it was that same room and the
same gray who was showing me the plant was the
same guy who was holding my throat during the energy
drill stuff. And so this hypnosis session kind of ended
up in this room where there were like other grays
behind him and they were communicating with me, and then

(01:06:24):
we kind of jumped into some going from there. We
did some like communication with another gray to get more
information about what has been going on. There was a
lot that came through there, and I would highly suggest
hypnosis for people who are ready to delve in, although
I will say once you kind of open that box,

(01:06:47):
you can't know what you learn in there, So I
would definitely say, like, don't do it unless you absolutely
are ready to kind of understand more about what's going on.
And it can be really darring, but for me, it's
been really good to understand more of what's been going
on now. So that was the first hypnosis session. The
second one was quite a bit more intense, So just

(01:07:10):
a heads up if anyone wants to get past this one.
But basically this I wanted to see what happened the
night of the orbs at the observatory. So we went
back to that night and we kind of, you know,
started from when we were on the deck and watching
the stars, and then the orb coming closer over the ridges,

(01:07:33):
running back to the car, getting in the car, the
second orb coming over us, and then from there I
asked the hypnotherapist to put me down deeper because I
was worried. I was I don't want my conscious mind
to be like coming in in and kind of filling
in holes or anything. And I asked her, I was like,
can you please just put me under deeper so I

(01:07:53):
can step out of the way completely. And she did,
and as soon as she was done with that process,
I was so weird. But Tom and I and the
car all started lifting up off of the ground, up
up up, and I could see through the car down
below me and I could see the tree tops and everything.

(01:08:14):
And then I don't remember going up into the bottom
of the ship or anything or into an opening. I
just remember being in the ship in this huge room
that was way bigger than the car. The ceiling wasn't
very high, it wasn't like way higher than the car,
but the room itself was huge and the ship that
we were on at this point. And I don't think

(01:08:37):
that this was the ORB, I think because the ORB
was not anywhere as big as where I went, so
maybe I don't know what happened there, but essentially we
went up. We went into this huge room and again
the light was the same as like this bright like
yellow white light kind of coming through this frosted glass

(01:08:57):
kind of stuff. And I look over it and his
eyes are wide open, his mouth is open. He looks
like he's literally just so terrified. He can't move, but
he wasn't making any noise and he was just staring ahead.
And I look ahead and I see this same tall gray,

(01:09:17):
the same guy walking towards me from the opening, and
it was so weird. He was familiar and I had
known him for lifetimes, maybe like I know this gray,
But anyways, he walked over to my card doork. I
got out of the car and I just followed him,
and I was go we're here again, you know. And

(01:09:38):
so I'm following him through this big room where the
car is, and we get into this hallway. When we
get into the hallway, all these short grays, the shorter ones,
come out, and they looked really excited. And this is
kind of strange. You normally don't really think of grays
as being excitable, but they were excited and holding my hands,
and they looked really happy for some reason. And I

(01:10:03):
felt I knew why I was there, but I didn't
know why I was there at the same time. And
when we got through the hall, he led me into
this really big what looked like a surgical room, and
then the shorter grays kind of dispersed and they went elsewhere,
stayed in the hall or something. But when I went
in with this tall gray, there were a few other

(01:10:26):
tall grays, and there may have been some short grades,
I'm not sure. I was kind of freaking out, I
will say too. For the longest time, I've had a
pretty major fear of doctors and dentists and all the things.
And I'm wondering if this might be why, because of
these experiences. But there was essentially what looked the same
contraption that they had me strapped in with the first hypnosis.

(01:10:49):
It kind of looked like a dentist chair, but it
was kind of reclined quite a bit, and I was
told to get in the chair. I knew that I
was supposed to get in the chair. It was kind
of it was downloaded into me to get in. And
even though I was terrified, I didn't want to get
into the chair, I also could not stop myself. So
I got into the chair. I was once again I

(01:11:12):
did not have any clothes on. They strapped me down,
fled me back, and I was having a lot of
pain in my pelvic area and around my stomach. And
at this point in the hypnosis session, I was having
a hard time breathing and I was freaking out and crying,

(01:11:32):
don't know what's happening. And the hypnotherapist told me that
I could watch like I could kind of exit my
body and watch from the side, or watch from above.
So I went and watched from above and watched myself
give birth to a hybrid baby. And this is not

(01:11:53):
at all what I was expecting from this hypnotherapy session.
I had been told previously a Kashak record sessions that
I had hybrid children. But I kind of was, no,
that can't be real. That, no, that's not possible. I
would know something, you know, right, But I actually watched
myself have this hybrid baby. And then I was back

(01:12:16):
in my body and was like holding this little baby girl,
and she looked mostly human. She was tiny, she was
really little. Her proportions were not exactly human like, but
more human like. And I got her name, which was Sayah,

(01:12:37):
and then I started bawling my eyes out, essentially because
I knew that they were going to take her from me.
So so she sorry no therapist, took me out of
that room and let me communicate with with my sub

(01:13:05):
conscious or my higher self or I don't know what.
But basically, as soon as she took me out of
that experience, we like asked a bunch of questions of
what's happening here, And what was told to me was
that that they wanted me to hold the baby because

(01:13:27):
it was really important that the baby make a connection
with me, like an emotional connection, and that I would
see her again and that she would be taken good
care of. And so instead of going right back to that,
we moved forward. We kind of fast forwarded and the

(01:13:48):
tall gray had led me to another room and at
this point I was you know, I had my clothes,
BiCon and everything, and he was just talking to me
and he was telepathically. All of this is telepathic, but
he was telling me, thank you so much for your service,
like we're so grateful, and he was saying that every
life is cherished and that they were grateful for what

(01:14:10):
I had done. And so when that happened and I
realized that I'm part, that I am part of the
hybrid program, some other memories and things have come back
and I and other sessions have realized that I have

(01:14:31):
way more than one. And I won't get into all
of that, but apparently I've been part of this program
for quite a while, and from how I understand it,
I agreed to help them before I came into this incarnation,
and that I am helping them because they are unable
to procreate anymore, and they it's it's this sounds very crazy.

(01:14:56):
And when I did experience it the first time in hypnos,
I started looking back and realize, you know, I have
always had really strange cycles, Like my cycles when I
was younger would be really far apart or really close
together extremely painful. I just always had a lot of

(01:15:18):
issues there. I also had a couple of times where
I didn't realize that I was pregnant but ended up
having miscarriages and looking back, whoa, like, I don't know
what all of of an effect this has had. But
I went vegan like five years ago, six years ago,
and ever since then it's been much less painful. But

(01:15:40):
even last year, I had kind of something really strange
happen around that too, and I'm wondering if that was
the same sort of thing. Yeah, So anyways that I
know that that's kind of more of an intense subject,
but that's what happened and kind of came to my
awareness and also reminds me of something that happened back

(01:16:01):
at the home place. And this was and I think
it was I think it was twenty twenty one, maybe
twenty twenty. Anyways, my partner and I were out at
the home place and Stuart and my dog was with us,
and it was this tiny little bed that like we
could barely fit into, but Bear was intent on sleeping
in the bed so he would not go and sleep

(01:16:23):
anywhere else. So eventually Chris was like, oh my god,
I have to spread out, and he went to a
different room upstairs, and Bear went with him. Thanks a lot,
Bear like, you know, that's fine, you know, I get it.
He loves his dad. So they're upstairs and I'm downstairs
and I fall back asleep, and in the middle of

(01:16:45):
the night I woke up, but I was facing the wall,
so I couldn't see the rest of the room. My
left hip was on the bed and my right hip
was up and I was facing the wall, and I
had this really crazy feeling the room. It was you know,
I know I talked about that house having a lot
of paranormal activity. This was not that. This is not

(01:17:07):
the same thing it was, and all the spirits in
that house have always been very peaceful, loving, but this
night Chris and Bear were upstairs, I was on my bed.
It pushed whatever this was. I was paralyzed. I couldn't
flip over, and I don't have sleep paralysis typically, but

(01:17:28):
I was literally paralyzed, and whatever this was behind me
pushed me down into the bed really hard, like there
was a lot of pressure, and I actually got pushed
further down into the mattress, and then I felt a
needle go into my hip, and it was white hot
pain shot into my hip, and then after I don't

(01:17:49):
know how long, maybe like thirty seconds, the paralysis lifted,
and I flipped over as fast as I could and
looked and didn't see anything but that. I wonder if
that had to do with this program in some way.
I don't know, Like it definitely seems they needed something
physically from me, but it's hard to tell. Looking back

(01:18:10):
at all of these different things that have happened. Is
I don't know what all goes together and what doesn't,
and if I'm just trying to put things together to
like help myself make sense of all of it, or
if it actually all is from the same same beings.
I have also things come up with a different race.
With the reptilians, my experiences with them have been very

(01:18:33):
different and have not felt as positive. I don't know
as much with them. I know that there's a lot
of they get a lot of flack, and I'm not
saying anything about I think there are a lot like humans,
and that there's all kinds, you know, there's ones with
all different kinds of intentions. But my experiences with them

(01:18:55):
were definitely rougher, and so I don't know who was
there that night, but somebody was there and they like
held me down and shot something into me, or through
an injection or took a sample of something. I'm not
really sure. But and then the last thing that I
would say is my partner actually woke up in the
middle of the night a couple of weeks ago and

(01:19:17):
saw a tall being probably I would say seven feet
or taller, because it was almost up to the ceiling
and it was standing in front of the curtain, which
is right over by my side of the bed, so
it was only like five feet from him. And he
said he couldn't make out any features because it was dark,

(01:19:38):
but this being was really tall and it was standing
in the room, and he immediately, at first he was
full of terror, was like, holy shit, what is that?
And then he immediately told himself that can't be real.
That's that's not real. And he just got up and
went to the bathroom and came back and did not
look back where this being was, and he just avoided

(01:20:00):
it and laid back down and went to sleep. So
I'm curious as to what that was, but it appears
that they're starting to be more comfortable with him being
aware a little bit more too, So yeah, that's about
that's about it. I know I kind of jumped around
timeline wise. I tried to keep it where it made sense,

(01:20:21):
but I may have jumped around a little bit. But yeah,
that's that's about it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
You did great.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
That was okay, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Yes, it was, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
It can be difficult, especially when you go into some
certain areas and regression. Does this kind of go in
a little bit deeper? Does emotion when people have connections
with the hybrid program? You know, there is an emotional attachment.
Of course there is, you know, and it's it is
very difficult, and that is something which needs to be addressed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Yeah, I agree, and I actually would love to hear
from their experiencers. If anyone would ever like to reach
out and talk, I can leave my email maybe, but
I would love if there were if there are other
experiencers who want to, you know, just kind of talk
about it, I would love to hear from you, and

(01:21:15):
definitely anyone from who's experiencing hybrid program stuff. Like I
think it's one of those really weird subjects where you
can't just talk to most people about it. They will
catch you like you're crazy, So I think more open
dialogue around that because I think it's way more common
than we realize, honestly, like way more common. So yeah,

(01:21:38):
I am definitely open to a dialogue with whoever would
like in the future.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
Wonderful. Okay, Well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Hope that all of this kind of helps open up
the conversation a little bit more around all of it.
And I know your show has helped me tremendously just
hearing other people talk about their experiences and has kind
of helped me kind of put some things together for myself,
and I greatly appreciate you letting me come on here

(01:22:11):
and yeah and tell my story it was. It feels
really good to kind of get it out there. It
felt good even just to like write the email to
you and kind of get it all down on paper,
but actually talking about it is next level. Just feels
really good, and I greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
It is liberating an indie. There'd be someone listening to
this now which have been going through stuff. There's no
one for them to reach out to. People hearing your account,
you know this has helped you, and then someone else
is going to hear it and it's going to it's snowballs.
That helps people. So I don't, like I said, I
probably sad. There's a million times I don't. I don't
look at this podcast as being entertainment. It's more of

(01:22:50):
a kind of kind of like a more of a
forum in a way, you know, to try and build
some kind of connection and some dialogue.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Yeah, it's beautiful and I know I appreciate it. I
know a lot of people do. And it's my favorite
favorite podcast. Like I go back into the archives. I
love the uh the throwback to you. So yeah, and uh,
it really helps to talk about it. And I hope
this helps anyone out there who might be going through

(01:23:20):
something similar. And again, if anyone wants to reach out
to me, I would be happy to h Yeah, have
a conversation over email if you want to leave that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
And yeah, yeah T when he listens out there, anyone
wants to reach in d email me and I will
forward it on. The good thing, you know, the good
thing about your experiences is your family. You know, your
family have had all these experiences as well, So it's
not like you're you know, you're on completely on your own,
your your brother's experiences, your mother, your grandmother. So obviously

(01:23:52):
this is generational, so you know you're obviously not You're
not the first one, right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Yeah, it's it's definitely interesting to find and find all
of that out. I wonder how far back it goes.
Probably goes way further back than my grandma, but who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
No, it's interesting when your mother had the sighting in
nineteen eighty seven with the triangle, and then you know,
you spoke to your sister and she said, you know,
this event happened, So that was exactly the same time
when she hid in a toy box. Yes, your father
wasn't there at a time, right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Not for that one. He was there for three other times,
like where both my mom and dad were in the
house with me and my sister where the house filled
up with lights. Three other times at least. But in
that occasion where my sister hid in the toy box,
she was supposed to be kind of like staying with

(01:24:48):
me while my mom was out in the yard.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
And have you been regressed to that particular time yet
not yet.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
The next session that I have with Amber will be
going back to that time, because that's the one I'm
most curious about, is what happened then there's no telling.
I think there was a lot happening when I was
a baby, so it may take several sessions to get
through it all. But that's definitely the next thing I'm
looking into.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Okay, your friend Tom, No, he was present at one
of the sciens and that have you spoke to him
about it? You know what was event evidently come out
about over hypnosis?

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Yeah? So I okay, So I did not tell him
about the hypnosis session. I talked to him right before,
or not right before, but I talked to him just
to get more information about what he remembered. I haven't
told him about what I saw in hypnosis, and I
don't know, Like when I was under hypnosis and I

(01:25:51):
saw him, he looked terrified. He looked like legitimately in shock.
And when the therapist, the hypno therapist ask what happened
with Tom while you were you know, while you were
having all this happen, and I just got downloaded with
an answer of he's part of the program too, but

(01:26:12):
they took him into a separate area. But I'm a
little I'm a little apprehensive to tell him that, because
I feel like that would kind of open up a
whole can of worms for him. I'm not sure that
that would be the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
For his sake, So yeah, yeah, I definitely caution with that.
Obviously you know him better, so you you know, if
you ever decided to do that, then obviously you have
caution because yeah, I mean he then went on to
have an ever experienced with his mother in the house
and the lights. So's he's connected. He was just wasn't

(01:26:49):
guilty by association or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
No, No, I think I think he him and maybe
his mom, I have no idea, but I think he
has his own connection with them. We just happened to
both be out. And I don't know if I mentioned
this when I talked about the orb coming towards us,
but it seemed like it was aware that we had

(01:27:14):
gotten there, like we had gotten up to the observatory,
and it started moving directly towards us, as if it
was waiting for us to get there, and then came
to us. And then the other one kind of back
behind the ridge where we had hopped back onto the
road and started going down. It came right over the
treetops like it was super low. It was just barely

(01:27:36):
over the treetops, and it was waiting there. We didn't
see it come in from that side. It was like
waiting there for us. So it felt very much like
this was kind of set up that we were both
supposed to be there that night, maybe just like a
two in one kind of well just knock them, knock

(01:27:57):
them both out in one go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
It's usually chustrated. Yeah, people would get people would get
up in the middle of n and I'd go for
drive somewhere in the middle of nowhere into some woods. Yeah,
it's the way it's done.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
It's kind of like at the beach in Oak Island
where I was basically directed to go to this very
specific spot on the beach on the other side of
the island, and I was like, okay, you know, and
just went on to the other side at a specific
spot where it was like right ahead of this entrance.
So it feels very orchestrated, for sure. It feels and

(01:28:29):
it's strange to explain, but it's like a poll to
do something that you can't not do with the chair.
When I was they basically told me to get into
the chair, and I really didn't even want to get
in the chair, but I couldn't stop myself as kind
of like this you can't stop yourself sort of situation.

Speaker 5 (01:28:48):
Wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Okay, India, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing
it all for our listeners to today.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Yeah, it's my pleasure and thanks for having me and
I'll talk to you again soon.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Okay, you enjoyed the rest of your evening.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
All right? Tonight?

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
Thank you, Thank you, Indy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
That's it I'm afraid for this week. Keep updated and
connected with a show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And
if you have an encounter you'd like to share on
the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at
gmail dot com, or you can reach out to me
via the contact page on my website at UFO Chronicles
podcast dot com. A big thank you to Indie for

(01:29:23):
sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I will
be back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep
watching the skies. Goodbye to

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