Ep.168 It Flew Right Over My Head (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you want to report a UFO hanging in? We
don't want to report every thirty one.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Do you wish to report a.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one of those.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Areas thirty one.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither there were self.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
If it was anybody a h above us to pass us,
Like thirty seconds ago.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
We were sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI
the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
I got.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
right over the top of.

Speaker 6 (00:48):
US ninety one one.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
You just called up to me before.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes.

Speaker 6 (01:00):
He is to God on an unidentify object, every liberty
or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the podcast wherever in the
world you are listening form. I hope you're all doing okay.
We start off tonight in the state of Texas to
hear about Clifton's UFO siting in Grand Prairie, when Clifton
and his friend witnessed a large black object moving silently
over their street in two thousand and seven. Then we

(02:09):
head to North Carolina to speak to Mike about a
sighting of a large cigar shaped UFO that Mike encountered
in nineteen seventy six while he was out on his
paper round. This object had no visible means of propulsion,
eighty two one hundred feet in length and had a
very interesting light array. Before we hear from our guests.

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on with the show. Welcome to the podcast, Clifton. Thank you,

(03:45):
Thank you calling from Texas today. Yes, sir, now, Clifton,
you have a UFO and care to share of our listeners.
Would you like to start at the very beginning? Please?

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yes, sir, this happened to be out around seventeen or
eight team and before I started this. Please just let
me say this real quick. It's just something that happened
to me and it's a true encounter. I have nothing
to have. This is I gave my name and who
I am I didn't ask for this to happy this
one night, and they just happened. And that I'm this age,

(04:17):
I realized that it's almost an honor or something like
a blessed to really have one of these encounters. But
I'm willing to take a polygraph test. Anyone who doesn't
think I'm telling the for think I'm lying, get in
touch with Nick. He can get in touch with me,
and we'll take it from there. Because this really happened.

(04:38):
I'm just sitting to my experience and once again, Nick,
thanks for having me. And So in two thousand and
seven or two thousand and eight, I was around seven
and eighteen, and this was around the summertime, had to
be around June and July. So I was at a
buddy's house of mine and this buddy of mine we
have been friends probably since we were about team at

(05:00):
that point, and he's still a good buddy of mine.
I haven't talked to him in a couple of years,
but I could still call him and get in touch
with him and we'll talk at it. We never skipped
the beat. But so one night we were outside, like
I said, we were seventeen at eighteen. His experience took
place in Grand Pay, Texas, and we were at his house.
So let me say this first. His house is always

(05:23):
the house that you could go to and just chill.
His mom didn't care chill, welcomedione there. She was a
loving woman you could.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Go to and eat all the food chill.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Just I mean she rather had me there were of
it and somewhere else and possibly getting in trouble. So
we're there one night and it's probably around three am
or four AM, and he's talking to his wife on
the phone. Now at the time, it wasn't his wife.
At the time, it was his girlfriend we were in
high school. But now his wife, I believe there's still together.

(05:53):
Now we have a beautiful family. So he's on the
phone with her and we're sitting in a driveway. Now,
like I said, it's probably around like three or four am.
So we're sitting in the driveway and he's sitting down
and he's on the phone and he's talking to her,
and I'm just standing up in the driveway and I'm
just looking around board. Summertime, we have nothing to do,

(06:14):
and if you know Grandpay, text is the only thing.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Else there to do is the movies. Other than that,
that was really nothing.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
So I'm just standing there and I didn't hear anything,
didn't feel anything. I just happened to look up. When
I look up, I see. So let me say it
like this, and this is the best way if the
measure for you, Nick. But the sides of this thing
had to be from side to side at least three
and a half house the link, and then from those

(06:41):
to tell it was probably maybe four and a half
to five. Now, once again, this thing is huge. And
this thing is just slowing over me and my friend
in this neighborhood. And when I say it's slowing over,
it's just slowly live overs. And I'm looking at this thing,
and as I'm looking at it, I'm like, Okay, I

(07:05):
have no doubt in my mind what this is.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
This is a UFO.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
So as I'm looking at it, I'm just looking at it.
And so as I'm sitting here looking at this thing,
I'm trying to I'm trying to look at the shape
and I'm just trying to basically clear my mind or
get my mind to process what it's seeing right now.
So as I'm looking at this thing, I'm.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Like, okay, okay, okay, this is a UFO. This is
a UFO.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
I'm seeing these little lights up underneath. It had these
sets us up underneath. I can't tell you where. I'm sorry.
That was when I was seventeen, but I see these.
I know it had three sets of lights. And these
lights were blinking fast. And some people say that in
their experience, they might see lights and it might look
like a whole bunch of lights that's interchanging with each other.

(07:53):
So but mind, it wasn't like that. It was just
it just looked like a white bull that was going
on real fast, real fast, real fast, as if if
as if somebody was taking the light switch and just
flicking up and down, up and down real fast, but
as fast as you could do it. And the shape
of this thing, Nick, Okay, So the front of it,

(08:14):
the front was like a circular, almost like an oval shape, Okay,
but I want to say like a circular and oval,
because the front was longer than the side, so it
almost took like a perfect circle shape. But you know,
because it wasn't the same glom you know, from the

(08:35):
front end the sides. That that's why I say that
it looked like the oval shape. Also, so as I'm
looking at this thing. I'm looking at the back now,
and it's fastiness in the back. It's like a boomerang almost,
because if you take like a boomerang and you just
said it directly directly, you know, behind the uffo, as
if you take the circle of motion in the front
and the side and then the back, you just took

(08:56):
like a boomerang and stuck it there. That's how the backlook.
That's how to things work. And as I'm looking at
this thing, I'm like, hey, this is really a UFO.
And the second thing that comes to my mind is like, okay,
now at this point, it's probably been only maybe like
three or four seconds that I've seen this thing. That
I start to tap my friends. Now he's on the

(09:18):
front with his girlfriend. He doesn't know that I see
this thing yet because I'm just looking at the guy
and I've only had about three or four seconds of process.
So as I'm tapping him, I'm tapping him like hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Hey, hey, look at this.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Look look.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
He's like what what? He looks up and when he
looks up, he stands up. And when he stands up,
I'm not going to say it, but and he's like, hey, man,
We're not supposed to be out here. We're not supposed
to be staying this, and I'm like, no, come here,
and I hear his girlfriend in the back. She's saying, hey,
what's going on? And they could contest to the old story.
I could reach both of them and they could contest

(09:53):
to this whole story, because I know they still remember.
I mean, you can't forget it. You can't forget something
like this. So as I'm sitting there, I'm tapping him.
He sees it and he's like, hey, we're not supposed
to be here. We're not supposed to be seeing this.
And when he says that, I'm looking at him. I'm like, nah, bro, hey,
look let's look man, that's a UFO. Now, my friend

(10:16):
is probably six seconds now, because it probably only took
me about two to three seconds between me and him
saying now, this is me tapping him. He's saying, hey,
we're now supposed to see this, and I say, hey,
this is a UFO. Now was probably about six or
seven seconds now or six and a half, and I say, man,
look it's a UFO. And I'm trying to grab him
because he's backing up as he's saying this. He's backing

(10:37):
up back into the house like he's not standing there
like he had. He didn't want.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Anything to do with that.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
And now well at that time, later on and height,
I got scared too, sent you, so I realized, But
at that point it wasn't scared, but he was going
in the house that that he wasn't trying to hear it.
So I'm trying to grab him. I'm like, hey, hey,
look man, look we need to see this. Look like
this is real. I'm not saying this, but I'm trying
to retut my head, but this is what I'm grabbing

(11:05):
them because I'm just trying to get them to see, like, look, man,
this is look like this is real. We are really
seeing this. We looked up again, like we both look
up again, and honest to God, this thing is disappeared.
It didn't make a sound, it didn't I didn't see

(11:27):
flashes of light. I'm tumb about and honest to guy,
just being just vanished. Vanished. I mean it was vanished.
And after it vanished, me and him we split that
right there. It made us ghost because to see something
like that size and magnitude do something that you wanly
be hearing comic books or superhero movies or just that's

(11:50):
not apposed exist at all. So go in the house.
We run in the house and we wake up his
whole family and we're like, hey, hey, we've seen the UFO.
And I think his sister. I think his sister honestly,
out of everybody, I think she's the only one to
believe us. And if she came outside and we were
pointing where we've seen it, and I even went back
in and I called my mom, and she's a Christian lady,

(12:13):
so you know, she started quoting things from the Bible
and things like that, and she was like, sign, those
things are real. I mean, hey, there's a lot out there.
And at that time, you know, growing up where I
grew up, we really didn't grow up you know, watching
Start Track and things like that as superheroes. So I
guess to me it was more excitement or like wonder

(12:36):
because now I'm like, Okay, this is real. I haven't
seen the Star Trek think Itself on TV as shows,
but I have seen something that I know in my
heart and I know my eyes don't lie, and I'm
thirty one down. So after that experience, I've done a
lot of research, how of reading, and I have and

(12:58):
I have somewhat I would say a little knowledge on this,
but I know enough to know that what I seen
that night was true. And I know I've seen that
wasn't a government plane because I go back and I
think there should be no reason. Well, first of all,
I've never seen a government plane look like that and

(13:19):
be that quiet to where it made no sound. This thing.
Could it floated over a basketball court full of people
or anything it floated over, I don't care how many
amount of people, And if the shots went to show,
they wouldn't have lived up and hurt this scene because
it was it was just that quiet, and I was, Okay,
there's no government plane that quiet, And if it is,

(13:40):
why would it be floating in Grand gre Texas at
four or a m this load of houses, Like whoever
was piloted in that thing or whatever? If it was
a person, could it could have been, I don't know,
I don't know what was in there, but a little
move of the flight stick, whatever you want to call it,
and they would have craft into about five or six houses,

(14:02):
probably almost the story of block, or probably about like
seventy percent of the block, easily if this thing would
have crashed. But I don't know, man, that was just
a true experience of mine.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
And your friend said, we're not supposed to be here,
We're not supposed to see this, So obviously it wasn't
something normal.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely it was
something that you see every day. I mean still to
this day, Nick, I still try to think of ways
to think, Okay, that wasn't what it was. That wasn't
what it was. That was a plane flying lower, that
was some secret type of government plane flying low at
these houses training. But this thing was and it was huge,

(14:42):
and it was flowing so low to the houses. I
mean just you could have shot a gun at this thing, Nick,
and a boiler would.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Have ricocheted out of it and you would have ducked.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
It was that close.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
It just took up the sky above us, and it
was dark.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
It was all black. It was all black.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Like when I say all black, Nick, I mean like
this was a different black because it was at night.
But this thing almost made a hole in the sky.
How black it was like you could you couldn't miss it.
But like I say, if I wanted to looked up, Nick,
I never would have seen that thing. That thing would
have floated right over us and disappeared. But I truly

(15:22):
think that thing disappeared because my friend panicked. Because something
of that size and something I could do what it did,
This thing here us. It hurt my friend on the front.
It hurt him as squeers day. It was flowing too low.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
And I know it has.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
The capabilities of hearing people talk if it could do
what it did, so I know it heard him talk.
And that thing didn't disappear until he started panicking, and
until we start talking kind of loud and almost taking
a fuss. Not a looud fuss, but enough to where
they didn't know maybe if he would start to scream
or panic to where they was like, hey, just gotta here.

(15:59):
Completely silent, silent, Nick, I'm willing to take a pograph
test at anyone who doesn't believe. I promise you this
thing was silent as night. If I wouldn't have looked up,
I wouldn't have seen it. This huge UFO and Nick, Sorry,
I don't know if I said this at first, but
I knew in my head there wasn't one thing that

(16:20):
was pilot in. This thing had to.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Be whatever was on it, it was multiple.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
There was no way. It almost looked like the size
of something that would house a lot of people, if
I could say that. When I say a lot, I
don't mean one hundred. Let's say like ten or twelve
in my numbers. But this thing was I've never seen
nothing this size in my life. And I didn't even
see a game. From the tip to the back, like

(16:46):
it didn't pass me. I had to look about turn
that being disappeared. It was probably at the back. I
never seen the front because when it started passing over us,
it was probably like somewhere so at the end of
us panicing and running, and before it disappeared, we were
like at the back of it. And that's when I

(17:06):
got a good look at the back of the tail.
And when I say that boomerang, as if it had
like a little triangle, but it was cut out. So
the wings are like that. And when I say they
were like that, but they were pushed in, they weren't
like a They weren't like that bomber, but they were
pushed in as if like someone who was making this
thing but got to put the wings on and was like, hey,

(17:29):
we just gonna ask the little wings on the back.
Right here, boom, there we go. There's a plane or
there's the USO. So that's what it looked like. It
looked like the Circle of Old and it and had
the wings in the back and they were pushed in.
And I remember looking at the thing and I was like,
how was this thing not making any noise? I should

(17:49):
hear like roaring or I should hear the thing going off.
And I remember there was a counter I was reading
about and it was in it was in a YouTube
comment and the guy and I guess it was a
lot of people who had this accounty that day because
the thing was so big, you know, you can miss it.
And the guy was saying that he remember seeing it

(18:10):
and he got a close few almost like I mean,
and my friend did and he said that he remembered
it was humming like a like a almost like a
wroar hum, like you could fit in your chest almost,
And it didn't give off no type of electricity. I mean,
it just I can't explain it, like still to this
day after even seeing it and it disappearance. I think

(18:32):
the most thing that still is in my head too,
is that that they shouldn't have been flying that low.
That's a whole nother thing in himself. But and I'm
not going to stay well, I think it was doing
but the end of the day, I mean two plus
two minkes four. I mean, if you're in it's a
Verberan neighborhood at three am, four am, you're floating over

(18:54):
these houses. So low, I'm talking about low and slow,
like there is no reason for that thing to be.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
In our atmosphere at all.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Whatever that was like, there should have been no reason because,
like I say, the thing could have killed a lot
of people just by hitting the light, a light pole
or just anything. Anything could have happened, Anything could have happened.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
I can see from the map it is. You know,
there's a lot of houses around there in Grand Prairie.
So if it was military, they shouldn't be they shouldn't
be doing testing in such a populated area, not of
all those hinds around and so low as well.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, you're certain for what there would be no reason.
The would be no reason. It was amazing, honestly, And
now that I'm older, I could say that. You know,
when I was younger, I had the experience and other
things happened and you tend to forget things. But that
never left my mind, and as I got older, it's
it's they see it at my brand almost to where,
like I say, I got interested in it and I

(19:53):
just never moved back because I know that these things
are real and some people do have reallysh speriences and
I'm one of them. I told you I didn't ask
for this experience. I wasn't into Star Track or Out
of Space like that, have a mindset on other things.
I was a seventeen eighteen year old young kid and
going to pay Texas. I mean, I never wanted to

(20:13):
be in the house. I definitely thank God for that
experience because I know that that opens up different part
in your brain that probably hasn't been opened since you
were a kid, because that's that part of your brain
that's the imagination that's not supposed to be real. But
when you have an experience like that, or maybe stakefoot

(20:36):
experience or or whatever it is, that just opens up
your mind to just another world, another like literally a galaxy.
It's just a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Man.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I wish I could experience it again, honestly, because when
I was seventeen, a photo image of that thing like
I should if I would have seen it now, Like,
if I see it now, I'll be a big drop.
I'm thinking I can't even draw or if the seat
one now, I will be able to drive because I
know that that's the experience that a lot of people,
a lot of people won't ever experience. And you can't

(21:10):
pay for that experience. You have to, like I say,
you have to be blessed with it.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah, you got it, Clifton. That encounter that you had,
you know, in the early hours. You know, when you're
seventeen years old, that is always going to stay with you.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Definitely, definitely.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
You know, when you're a kid and you know, you
see these things on TV, it's just it's just fancy.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
You know.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
And then when you're an adult and you have these experiences,
it does it opens up a whole new world.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Man, when one could only know, honestly, brother, and it's
like one can only know if you had that experience,
that's not that's not supposed to be real.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Yes, it's not everyday life, is it. It's not. It's
not what you're accustomed to now. Yeah, it's it's just life.
But when you have these things which you know are
evidently around and we share, you know, we share a world.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
With them, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
And I don't think I said this, But I wasn't
scared at all. And I didn't get any fear like
a scary movie, feel like a horror feel like, Okay,
this thing is about.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
To do something to us.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
I didn't feel that at all. I don't think my
friend felt that. I think when he seen it, he
I don't think his mind would allow him to process that. Honestly,
that's what I think. I think his mind wouldn't allow
him to get out of that. Okay, this isn't that
part of your brain, that's the imagination part. It doesn't exist.
This is a scary tale of things, but hey, this

(22:34):
is something. Even though you put that in part of
your brain, you're seeing this right now. I don't think
he allowed his brain to comprehend what he was seeing,
so instead of him trying to look at it and
see like, oh my god, this is real. I think
that's why he just wanted to run in. But I
don't think even he got that horror like this thing
is going to do something. I mean, we thought it

(22:54):
later on, but we were just saying that because we
never seen something like this and in the movie We
it's something that big you could do. Oh my god,
I would hate to see what was it. Honestly, I'm
glad I got to experience it the way I did.
I'm glad I didn't see anything.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I think God, I don't want to know what was
behind the wheeler, that thing. I really don't. Matter of fact,
I know I wouldn't be able to take that for me.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
You're just happy of what you did see.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Oh, definitely, bro, Definitely, definitely Bro. That's gonna be one
of my greatest to tell. Well, actually that is my
greatest story, because, like I say, you can't even pay
for something like that. You have to be blessed with it.
So I was one of the ones who with experience
like that to see that and whatever it was behind
that will, it allowed.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Me to see it.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
I don't know what that means, and maybe it don't
mean anything but to me.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
But did you tell anybody off your experience like.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I said, I was, I was seventy eighteen, I'm thirty one.
I'll be thirty two in October. Honestly, Nick, I probably
told I could probably count on one hand, maybe five people.
I probably told this story to my wife, who's supporting you. Now,
you know, she couldn't miss this. I probably told her Nick,
probably a hundred times. Other than that, Nigga, I probably
told her about five people. But because really this conversation

(24:12):
and this topic, if it's been so people have played
with it so much. The topic and it's a real topic,
but people have played with it and used it for
their gimmicks and games, to where when people have real
experiences and they tell them to people, you don't want
to think that.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Man, it's personally gonna think I'm crazy or you know,
they're not gonna believe it's don't think I'm cooky or something.
And I was just still feeling this way about eight
months ago, but recently, I you know what, I was
just thinking, and I was talking to my wife and
she's a big reason why too. I was I do
want to get my experience out.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
I felt like people should know because it's a true
experience and I feel like I'm doing a disharmor or
or something of that sort if I tell my experience
because it was so real and I am not. Once again,
I'm not lying. Get in touch of Nick. If you
care that much to know what my experience is real.

(25:07):
I would take a private graph or whatever I need
to do, proved to you that this is where I
went through what I've seen.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I would draw.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
They asked me did it look this size, and I
would say yes or no to get the most accurate
detail of my experience because it was Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
I hear you, and I believe you saw it. Man,
it's cool. What I might try and get you to
do is when you got a minute, all right, if
you could just try and draw a sketch. Okay, whatever
you do. Remember, And what I'll do is when this
episode goes live, I'll then put it on the website
so then people can listen and then they can head
there and head to the website and take a look,
and you never know, someone else might say, hey, man,

(25:50):
you know I saw the same thing, gotcha, no problem.
These objects, you know, they come in all shapes and sizes.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
So it's always good to have get it out, brother,
thanks for having you, because it's almost it's almost been
stuck in me to where I have to get it out.
I just I just have to get it out. And
I've heard two people or two thousand people here this
I'm just glad that I got my experience out.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
And you know, it's important, it's important, and there's no
there's no better time than now.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Definitely, Brother, Definitely brother, because there's the news is well
that's a whole nother topic too, But it's more in
the light now than it has ever been to where
it's almost like they're trying to get as comfortable with
it or say like, hey, these things are happening more frequent,
like maybe they'll come in. I don't know, it's they

(26:39):
have a plan, but I'm saying that right now is
a perfect time to tell these experiences that people aren't
can imagine how many more experiences have happened over Texas
or anywhere for that matter, because, like I say, with
the thing being that quiet and with it to disappear
how it did, that thing could be anywhere or something

(27:01):
of the sort to be anywhere anytime. That is a
scary thought. Yeah, it's just a good time to know
about it, man, It really is, because these things are
real and they're out there and we don't know what
they're doing.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
You got it, They're right there, They're right there, for sure. Clifton. Clifton,
I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thank you so much better. Thanks for having me man. Yeah,
but great weekend.

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Yeah YouTube, brother, keep in contact all right, and I'll
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Speaker 2 (28:49):
Mike, Thank you appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Is wonderful having you on and your calling from North
Carolina this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
That is correct, Central North Carolina.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
That is wonderful. Okay, Mike, you have a UFO experience
to share with us. Would you like to start the
very beginning, please, sir.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Absolutely so. To start off, I'm a little fuzzy on
the date, because this happened when I was a kid
in the seventies, and so I don't know the exact date.
So I'll give you a little bit and tell you
where I think it happened, and that would be in
nineteen seventy six. Because when this all happened and I

(29:26):
was thirteen or fourteen years old, I was living with
my parents. I explained what happened what I saw to
my father, who was a professional photojournalist and an aviator himself,
and he told me. The explanation that he gave was
something to do with an upcoming election. And so for

(29:47):
the people who don't know the United States, we have
elections every year, but we have major elections every four years.
In nineteen seventy six would have been one of those
major elections. So that would have been when Jimmy Carter
became president. So that's kind of where I'm placing it.
And elections are usually in the first week of November,
so I'm putting it in October or maybe even that

(30:09):
first week in November. So, like I said, I was
thirteen or fourteen years old, and even then I had
a job. I was a paper boy and to the youngsters.
That's when people got actually their news on printed on
pieces of paper. And I would deliver papers every morning
and every afternoon, and then a couple of times a month.
I had to go around and collect from the people

(30:29):
that I delivered the papers to and then send the
money into the newspaper and never make any money myself
because it just didn't work out. And I lived in
an apartment complex I think in Britain you call them
the States. It was actually these were condominiums, so they
were owned, not rented, and there were town homes, two
storytown homes, and there were two hundred and forty units

(30:49):
in this place. And so I delivered papers to everybody,
and you know, it was a rotten job. And I
did it for three or four years, so it wouldn't
have this would not have gone. I started in nineteen
seventy four and it would not have gone past nineteen
seventy seven. So that's where I'm also putting that in.
So what I would do after dinner when it was

(31:10):
time to collect, we go around and collect the three
or four dollars or whatever the people paid me each
would right after dinner is when you catch them and
you go and you knock on the door and then
give you the money. So you do that for as
long as you can, and then there's a certain point
where you don't want to knock at anybody's door past
like eight thirty at nine. So that's about the time

(31:31):
that I'm putting this at is so about eight thirty
in the evening October November nineteen seventy six. So this state,
this condominium complex is just a series of these buildings
that have four or eight or twelve units, and they're
all these little sort of parking lot called to sacks
that are all sort of woven around and kind of

(31:53):
willy nilly. And then there is one main road that
runs down east west. That was the name of the
condominium complex was Bramble Gate, and it's still there. And
this road runs for about a kilometer all the way
down one side of the of the condominium complex. And

(32:14):
it was it was it's about like I said, it's
about a kilometer and it runs east west. And I
had sort of been at the back collecting all the
way at the end of that road, and I was
walking back home. I was done, and I was walking
back up that road, and to my right were all
the condominiums. They were all over there, and I was

(32:37):
about two hundred yards from my house. Two hundred meters
from my house and to my left there was a slight,
gentle rise with a little bit of a tree line there,
very sparse tree line, and then there was an enormous
field that spanned out for almost I would say another
kilometer kilometer and a half and it terminated at the

(33:00):
giant interstate Highway, Interstate forty. And this isn't by the way.
This is in Greensboro, North Carolina, which is about an
hour and twenty minutes from where I am right now,
and it termined this field sort of terminated on an
access road that was right next to Interstate forty. And
Interstate forty is a major east west trunk route from
it goes from the east coast to the west coast

(33:21):
the United States. It goes all the way to almost
Los Angeles from North Carolina. So it's twenty five hundred
mile long road and huge trucking thing. It constantly has
the roar of trucks running on it twenty four to seven.
And from where I was, I was not in the
road per se. That was kind of in a parking
lot slightly to the right of the road, just for

(33:41):
I don't I don't know why I wasn't walking in
the road, but I was just kind of walking up
in this parking lot that sort of paralleled the road.
So I was maybe, you know, a few feet twenty
thirty yards maybe to the not not even that far
ten yards to the right of the road, walking through
this little parking lot, and if I were to look
to my left, I could see that whole field, just

(34:03):
even with that gentle rise, I could see that field,
and then you could see beyond that the lights from
the highway, not the cartail lights, but the lights that
illuminate the road, and it gives off sort of a
peachy and it was dark at this point. It gives
off sort of a peachy yellow orange glow these type

(34:25):
of lights. And I don't know how or why I
noticed it, but it was almost directly to my left
and slightly behind me. I saw something coming at me,
and from the direction that was coming, it pretty much
had to have flown over the highway. And we also
lived fairly close to the airport, so my first thing was,

(34:45):
this is an airplane, But it was extremely low and
it was extremely slow and it would just and it
didn't have like airplanes. And I've been because, like I said,
my father was an aviator and he flew small planes,
and my uncle was an airline pilot. And I'm just
in aviation. It just runs in my family. And so
I knew that planes have wings and lights on the

(35:06):
wings and lights in the front and lights on the
top and on the bottom. And there was none of that.
It was just this light that was kind of coming
off this object that I could see, and it was coming.
It was, like I said, it was just over my
left shoulder and just coming at me slowly. So I
just stopped and I said, what the heck is this?

(35:26):
And I looked at it, and I said, well, I'm
gonna wait and see what this is. So I just
stood in this parking lot and I waited, and honestly,
I don't remember how long it took to get to me.
It was a pretty fair distance away from me, like
I said, maybe a kilometer or so, but you could
see that far from where I was standing. And I
just stood and waited, and it took some time to
get to me, you know, a couple of minutes. And

(35:48):
once I started seeing it get really really close. I
noticed it was not an airplane, and my first thought
was that it was some sort of blimp or some
sort of There weren't drones flying around back then, and
this is way too huge to be drone. And then
I waited and until it got cross started crossing over
the roads. It was over the road. It was just
over the tree line, and the trees were not exactly

(36:13):
new growth, but they weren't particularly old either. They were
seventy to eighty feet high. I would think scrubby pines
or whatever that we have in North Carolina is kind
of the in Maple I don't know what kind of
trees they were, but they'd been there wild and this
thing was above them, but not significantly. My estimation is

(36:33):
between one hundred and one hundred and fifty feet in
the air. And I'm sorry, I keep going back and
forth between feet and meters, but sorry, I'm American. I'm
more comfortable with feet. So it started coming over, and
then I got a really good look of what it
looked like, despite the fact that it was completely black
and it was your typical what people describe as the

(36:54):
cigar shape thing. It was a long tube. It was
completely black, it or very dark gray, had no significant
color to it. It seemed to be flat in color.
It had no shininess to it or anything like that.
And it had rounded edges. It was like a tube,
like I said, like a cigar and had sort of

(37:15):
rounded edges. Some years ago, I've made some representations in
photoshop and which I think I sent to you that
of kind of what it looked like and what I
was looking when I started trying to do that, and
that was some years ago. Trying to do that, was
looking around for something that looked like it, and what
I found was a propane tank. Propaine tanks, you know,

(37:36):
coming all sizes and sometimes they're very short and squat
and sometimes very long for like industrial purposes. But usually
they have a little top not kind of thing on
top of them, and you see them outside of people's
homes or whatnot. But you can sort of see it's
sausage like on the end. It just kind of is
sort of a natural, rounded kind of end. And it
was flying over me. It was going very very slow.

(37:58):
I stood almost underneath it, and it passed right over
my head and to my right and then disappeared over
the buildings. Because there was more of a rise and
a hill to my right, and then once it kind
of went over there, it was gone, you know. So
I think the whole thing for me initially seeing it
until it being gone was maybe five minutes, six minutes

(38:21):
something like that. And I literally was standing right under it.
It was right over me. I could pick out some detail,
but it wasn't like I said, it wasn't lit except
with this. And this is the bizarre part about the
whole thing is that it had this light array on
it that was it's hard to describe, but it would
be like a bracelet, like a diamond bracelet that was

(38:44):
just shot full of diamonds, right, But this it was
really these lights that I'm sort of guessing more like
a foot wide, and there were circular and there were white,
and then there was a row of six or eight
of those, and then another road and another road and
another road until it completed a complete circle around the craft.

(39:06):
And it was when I first noticed it. It was
at the back and this thing was rotating. This light
array was rotating in a counterclockwise way. If you were
standing behind the craft, it would be so it was
rotating away from me. And as it was rotating. It
was also moving up the length of the craft, so
it was going like this, and the time that I

(39:29):
stood and viewed it, it probably did this twice. It
rotated all the way up to nearly the front of
the craft. Then it stopped, and then it rotated backwards
in the opposite direction and just basically changed its direction
went back, so it go up and back, up and back,
and that's what I saw. It did that whole thing. Now,
these lights were really interesting in that they were the

(39:52):
ambient light from them was illuminating the craft, so I
could see it, and I think those lights are what
I saw, probably more than the actual craft until it
was closer. But the light that these things were putting
off were just about enough to do that they were
not shining on me. And you would think I'm only
one hundred feet or one hundred and fifty feet or
something below this thing, that they would be shining on me,

(40:13):
but they weren't. And this was really freaky and so
I and also I wanted to talk about the size
of it. The size of this thing it was, I'm
sort of guessing it was about the size of an
airline or fuselage. It was about one hundred feet long
and about twenty five feet wide twenty to twenty five
feet five, So it was four to five times longer

(40:34):
than it was wide, and unlike any kind of blimp
that I've seen, and I'll get into those in a second.
But it didn't have a gondola or a cockpit at
the bottom. It had no windows, had no guide lights,
like I said, other than that light ray, had no
guidelights under behind it anywhere like that. It was moving very,
very slow. I couldn't really give you an estimation of

(40:55):
the speed, but you know, miles per hour, five ten
miles an hour if that I mean it was. It
was over my head for a good few seconds. It
was right over my head. And the other thing about
it is that its movement was solid and deliberate. So
so about blimps and whatnot. So I have not always
lived in North Carolina, like I told you before. I

(41:16):
lived in London for a while, and I also lived
in Washington, d C. For a number of years and
went to college up there and started my family up
there and anything. And there's not a lot of blimp
activity around here in North Carolina occasionally, you know, for something.
But I saw some at a I went to something
in Charlotte, North Carolina, a few years ago to see
a band Cheap Trick play, and it was this thing

(41:38):
called speed Week, which has something to do with their
big auto racing thing down there. And I might be
the only person that lives in North Carolina that does
not care about auto racing, but they had several large
blimps out near the auto racing track and I remember
seeing those. And then when I lived in Washington, d C.
With you know, all the Washington sports scenes and everything,
occasionally you'd have a good year or a fujim flying

(42:00):
over Washington. I saw the fujibillant fly over me. And
the thing I noticed about it was very squat, very oblat,
and it was much higher than this thing was, and
it was very loud. You could hear it. It was like
louder than a prop airplane. And it also as it
moves through the air, you can see the wind acting
on it. You can see it sort of drift back

(42:22):
and forth and do its you know kind of thing.
And this thing that I saw had was not being
affected at all by the wind. It was just moving
straight and smooth like this. And of course the shape
of this thing is. I didn't it was thirteen years old.
I didn't probably understand aerodynamics that much back then. There
was no There was nothing on it that would suggest

(42:44):
that anything could give it any lift. So I ran
home a little breathless, a little excited, and I, you know,
my parents were watching you know TV BJ and the
bear or whatever it was on pack then. And you know,
I told my dad about it, and he says, you know,
it's probably a blimp and it probably was flying around

(43:08):
to another place. It was probably here doing you know,
trailing a banner or something for the upcoming election. But
there was nothing on it that said, you know, vote
for Gerald Ford, or vote for Jim Holshauser or the governor,
you know whatever. It was nothing like that on there.
And and like I said, a blimp has a gondola,

(43:30):
it has rudders, it has tail fins. It's more a blate,
you know, it's this thing was not that. But I
took it. He you know, he's my dad. I looked
up to him. He was very wise. I took it
as a as like okay, But I still wrote it down.
I still wrote it all down, and I kept a
little thing in a book for years, and unfortunately I
lost that thing a few years ago. But in the

(43:52):
nineties I started looking up you know, I just started
thinking about it for some reason. And in the nineties,
when I just got on the internet, I decided to
you know, just kind of you know, look around and
see what I can find, you know, on the blimps
and just say, well, maybe that was a blimp. Because
I was I'm fully ready to accept the explanation that
it was some sort of man made thing that was

(44:16):
flying and that I was mistaken. And as a lot
of UFO sightings are, they're mistaken, I was not one
hundred percent sure it was you know, from another planet
or dimension or time or whatever that most UFOs were
kind of attributed to. I was, I'm totally ready for
an earthly explanation. So at that point I still had

(44:36):
the piece of paper that had them, you know, all
the details on it, so those are kind of ingrained
in my mind. But the dumb thing is that when
I wrote this down, it didn't write to date. So
and I accepted that explanation, and you know, like I said,
I kept writing it down. And then in the nineties
I started looking up blimps and what they were and
maybe I could find out what this was. And what
I found was, was it even more bizarre, was that

(44:57):
there were very few blimps. I think two or three
in service in the United States at the time, and
I think two of them were a good Year blimp
and the other one was like a Navy blimp, and
they all were basically the same design, not this thing
at all. So that kind of piqued my interest on it,
and I kept it on my you know, you know,
on the back burner. I didn't really think much of it.

(45:18):
And you know, I've told my kids this story over
the years, and I've told some friends, you know, when
we get around the consider around talking, and I've developed
an interest in UFOs for sure. I would not say
that I'm I'm somebody that you know dominates my life.
It doesn't. It's, you know, but it's it's a nice diversion.
It's to think about and watch that, you know, the
various TV shows and documentaries and stuff like that. It's

(45:41):
those things are fun to watch. I'm fairly agnostic on
the subject. I think with the sheer number of sightings
that people have seen and the sheer number of weird
just completely bizarre sightings that are out there. I think
it's more probable than not that guess they do exist.
And yes, there's somebody's visiting us and something's going on.
And I don't super buy into the whole alien abduction

(46:05):
and government cover up conspiracies and all that stuff, and
I'm like, I'm not super sure about that, but I
do like hearing about these things where people see things
and have no explanation for them, and you know, the
weirder the better. And I always thought this was just
really weird because I witnessed something that didn't really have
a great deal of it. It just didn't make sense aerodynamically.

(46:28):
But there is you know, a couple of things that
are like the mist of time. This was forty six
years ago at least. And you know, I could be
a little fuzzy on some of this stuff, but I
mean for something like this, when something like this, this
weird happens to you, you kind of hang on to
it and it's sort of stuck in your brain. Like

(46:50):
I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday, but
I remember this and have kept this kind of at
the forefront of weird things that have happened to me,
and you know, I've I've never seen anything else before since,
and you know, I would love to, but I haven't.
And so you know, I've always just been kind of
more curious and looking for answers rather than saying, well,

(47:13):
I saw alien craft and it did this and all that.
I'm not super sure that's what it is, but this
was weird and it's really a cool, interesting story, I think.
And the other thing that I was talking about, I
was talking about Interstate forty. I'm sort of backtracking a
little bit here. It is kind of strange that that
particular area now is super populated. That field is now

(47:34):
two more estate complexes, and across the street from my thing,
which was just kind of a few scattered houses but
mostly wilderness, is now just massive strip malls. It's just
it's fast food restaurants and grocery stores and department stores
and chain restaurants. It's just America. That's what America looks like.

(47:54):
Is just that back in those days, it was pretty
pretty desolate out there. And this was on the western
end of greenbur kind of near the airport, still in
the city, but part of the suburbs, right, and so
it was not exactly rural at that particular point, but
it was it was sparse, the popular little blobs of

(48:15):
houses and stuff, but not you know, like it is
now where it's just completely thick. But nevertheless, this thing
from the direction that it started, unless it had taken
a hard right turn somewhere before I picked it up,
it had to have flown over interstate. For me, it
just absolutely had to have. And you would have thought
somebody would have seen it and reported it in something.

(48:35):
And I've I've looked around, you know, I've seen there's
tons of UFO sightings in Greensboro over the years, and
you can find them in various you know, websites and
people documenting these things, you know, and move on and whatnot.
But that one never was there. I've never seen anyone,
you know, do anything with that or say anything about it.
But even so, even if it had just flown over

(48:56):
that field, it was still would have been I think,
sort of visible to someone. So that's kind of mysterious
about the whole thing, especially flying over It's I think
back then it was just a six lane highway. I
think it's like a twelve lane highway now, but it
still was massively busy. It was early enough in the
evening that there was plenty of traffic out there, and
then anybody else that were that possibly could have been

(49:17):
standing outside in that neighborhood would have seen it, but alas,
I have not seen it. And I remember telling, you know, people,
the other kids in my neighborhood that week and week
after and even years after that, you know, I saw
this thing, and they were like, you know, now, you're
just full of it, you know, And so I was like, okay,
So nobody there that I knew saw it, and it
was just me, I guess.

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up to the strange. I have the image that you
sent from photoshop, and it's it's an interesting one, really interesting.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I've seen plenty of blimps, and we've got these balloon
festival down in Bristol which happens every year, hundreds of
balloons or shapes and sizes, and I've never seen anything
remotely like this.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
There's no cockpit, no basket, nothing. Yeah, that is an
interesting feature.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, and obviously I don't know if that if that
light ray lighter ray had not been on it, I
don't know that I would have seen it. I mean,
it did make one of the things that's sort of universal.
With a lot of UFO stories that I've read and
seen on documentaries and stuff, like that is that they
make no sound. This one did have a very very
faint sort of sound. And the only thing that I

(51:39):
can sort of liken it too, was kind of like
a metal on metal sound. It's kind of almost like
a just kind of a grinding noise. But I mean
it was super faint. I mean it with the noises
that were just constant. That highway that was off to
my left when we moved there in nineteen seventy four,
it was it was we had lived about three or

(52:02):
four miles north of there before we had moved down there,
and it was in a suburban neighborhood and you just
didn't hear traffic click. And when we got out there,
it was really kind of unnerving that you would just
go outside it like, you know, when I would deliver
my paper though it started like six in the morning
and it's dark, and you'd go outside and it would
just be it would just you just hear this, just

(52:23):
this rumbling sound and it never stopped. You could hear
it daytime, and that was the highway, was trucks on
the highway and it just it just sort of amplified
the you know, and it's probably echoing around and the
and the terrain there is fairly flat, but with some
hilly areas and stuff, but not not super hilly. We're
in a we're in what we're caught. That particular part
of North Carolina is what we call the Piedmont, and

(52:44):
it is sort of the pre mountainous area. You go
two hours to the west and you start heading mountains
up and up and up, and another two hours you're
smack in the in the smoky mountains your way up there.
But this is is you know, there's some bumps that
there are some hills, but it's not particularly hilly. But
it's not a flat plane either, So you don't have

(53:04):
great long views of terrain unless it's just a weird
freak of thing like where I was, where I had
this very long view of terrain. I think if this
would have happened, you know, six hundred yards or meters
in any other direction, I wouldn't have seen it coming
over the hill. I would not have seen it. It

(53:24):
just happened to be right where I was. There was
a bit of a clearing and I could see it.
So yeah, and that photoshop, I don't know if you're
going to post that representation on your website or whatever.
But that photoshop thing, it's close. I've never gotten it right.
I'm done graphic design for years and years and years,
but literally creating something out of nothing in photoshop is

(53:46):
a little beyond my capabilities. And I would love to
have find somebody who would do a you know, like
a video representation, like an animated video representation of what
this thing did and what I saw, and you know,
I'd love to just sit over their shoulders and say, Okay,
this is what it looked like, this is what it did.
So it did, like I said, it did make a
slight noise, and the noise abated as it moved away.

(54:07):
But I mean as it was very low, very very faint.
It didn't sound like a grinding engine or a combustion
engine or you know. And like I said, a blimp,
even at you know, several hundred feet above your head
or a thousand feet, you can hear that rascal. That
thing is making some serious noise with those with the

(54:28):
engines that thing has on it, which are essentially turboprop engines,
which are notoriously loud. So it was it was definitely
not that. And the fact that it was just sort
of moving horizontally and very like I said, very deliberate
and very smooth, and not and slow, because an airplane
moving that slow would just dropped like a stone, and

(54:50):
especially without wings getting a lift, is going to certainly
prop like a stone. So all that was just too
weird for the works.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
It's possible that the same that you could be here
in been the movement of the actual light array itself.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
That's kind of what I was thinking too, rather than
an engine or whatever that it was just kind of
that kind of that movement. I didn't hear the light
array like you know, clank or anything like that, where
it would get to the end and because it would
go to the end and then it would just stop,
it just stopped and then it would start rotating the
other way move And that was so oddly deliberate. And

(55:24):
the other thing about that lighter ray this falls into
the category of not remembering and not and just not sure.
I wasn't sure how that thing was attached and how
the physics, the physicality, the mechanics of that would work.
It seemed to be super close and attached to the thing.

(55:46):
Or possibly also it could have been just an illusion
with the whole craft being having lights and then just
the ones that were on as they sort of blinked
on and off, created the illusion of the moving. So
in other words, the whole craft is covered in those
lights and they just look like they're moving and then

(56:08):
but it's just them coming on and off. But that's
one possibility. But it really did from my and my
memory tells me that it was almost I mean, you
you could make a case that it was a separate thing,
that it was literally a ring surrounding this thing that
was not attached, that was just going up and down
like putting a ring on a finger. You know, it

(56:28):
would just be like like that, or that it was
attached at one point, which is probably and then somehow
that one point was able to revolve around, you know, somehow.
Then the mechanics of that escape me. I'm not enough
of the mechanical I'm not a mechanical engineer at all
to how that works. I have no idea. So it

(56:48):
could be that light array was a I don't know
why that would be. It would be a separate thing,
or it was attached in some way that I you know,
I still can't figure out how that worked.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
And it was about ten percent of the size the
light orra was about ten percent of the size.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Ten to fifteen Yeah, yeah, somewhere in that neighborhood. Yeah,
it was, like I said, it was about I don't
know eight or ten or I can't remember the number
of lights, but you know, I'm sort of guessing. And
each light was maybe a foot or eighteen inches across,
and then it was you know, each light had a
little bit of space in between them. So so if

(57:24):
you had say eight lights in a row and they
were like a foot and a half each, and then
you know, then another row and another row, yeah, that
would be about ten to twelve feet. So it was
a chunk of the of the craft, but it wasn't
It wasn't a majority of it. It was not a
quarter of it. It was less than that. It was
it was in that neighborhood of ten to fifteen percent

(57:46):
of the width of the of the of the length
of the craft. And like I said, the other weird
thing was the lights seemed to be fairly bright, but
sort of diffuse and not and the light was not
cast on me. And that may have been because I
was right near a bunch of street lights and I
wouldn't have noticed it, but but you could see those

(58:07):
lights when I picked up the thing in my peripheral vision,
you could see those lights from in the distance. So
that was kind of a you know, that was the
biggest and weirdest feature of that thing.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
And you said it would the movement would be traveling
to either end. Did it go as far as the
as the curve at the very end before traveling back?

Speaker 2 (58:30):
No, No, it got close, but not all that. As
it got to the edge, I would say, I would say,
there would be so if we're talking the thing as
one hundred feet long, right, and let's just go ahead
and say that this thing is fifteen feet wide, it
would go up to about fifteen feet from the end
either end, So it was traveling sort of the middle

(58:52):
section of the craft, but most of the middle section,
So there would be like, you know, it's this long,
it would go from here to there visual but it
would go from like fifteen feet in to fifteen feet
from the end and then turn around. So it didn't
go all the way. It just almost very very close.

(59:12):
And when I first saw it come over the you know,
over the tree line, and was looking at it, I
could see the end of this thing, and it was
just odd that it just, you know, I would have expected,
you know, if it was a plane, and I was
just somehow I was not picking up the picking up
the wings or whatever. And there are absolutely no wings,

(59:32):
absolutely know. But you know the front end of a plane,
you got the little windows so you can see where
you're going, none of that. And there were no windows
under or on the sides or anything like it. And
that was completely bizarre. And I've seen some some other
you know, I've done a little bit of snooping around
and found some some artistic renderings of some some cigar

(59:54):
shaped craft and I was always have windows on them.
I always have, you know, some sort of thing for
the whoever's inside or whatever's inside can look out and
see where the heck they're going. This just didn't, which
sort of leads me to believe that it was probably unmanned,
if it was indeed something from somewhere else, that it

(01:00:16):
was possibly a what do they call that on Star
Treker probe that was just proven around just basically looking
for stuff. But what those lights represented or what they
were doing was was beyond me. That didn't make any sense.
They weren't like, you know, if they would have been
like scanning the ground, you know, you said, well, you know,

(01:00:37):
they were looking for something on the ground. They were doing,
you know something I don't know, sucking the blood out
of goats or something, or cattle or whatever. But luckily
that was not the case because I was right under it.
But yeah, that was that was just completely bizarre that
it was just this sort of inanimate object that was
defined gravity by going horizontally and slowly. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
I mean the interesting thing with the lights is, you know,
generally when something has lights, it's because it either wants
to be seen or it wants to see something. You know,
generally with you know, military Jones, they have beaker lights on,
but they don't need lights to see because they have
this this tech. Right, So this this is a good one.
And the image it just basically looks like a cigar

(01:01:23):
with like a ring or a bracelet on it. So
it's such good features. And it wasn't bright enough that
you couldn't see the kind of like the bulbs or
the light actually ray inside. I mean you've got them
at about six six.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Across, yeah, yeah, and it could have been as many
as eight or ten. It was no less than six.
I just went six on that picture because I was lazy,
and I still don't think I caught it. You know,
I got it right, It's still not that that is
graphically very hard to do, especially with you know, all
I have is Photoshop. I don't have any vector based

(01:01:55):
stuff that's very good, and I'm not I was a
glorified typesetter and art director for years and so that,
you know, creating stuff out of nothing is is fun.
It's fun to do, but it was it was quite
difficult just to do that. And there were several prototypes
that I did, and that was as close as I
felt like I could get with the tools that I had.
I think somebody that had real CAD software that could

(01:02:18):
really get the angles and everything with from my descriptions
could probably get this thing. And I would absolutely love
to find somebody that would that would be willing to,
you know, help me with a mock up of this,
just to kind of for me to just be it
just from my own aedification, just to get Ah, that's it.
But that's as close as I could get. And I

(01:02:38):
don't remember how I how I did that. I think
I got an object that looked like that and then
just sort of manipulated it and warped it around until
where it kind kind of I mean, the the shape
of the craft is spot on. That's you know, it's
the correct aspect ratio and and everything, and but it's
not you know, the ring. The light ray was just

(01:02:59):
out of my wheelhouse graphically to do. But it's close,
and it gives you the idea of what we were
talking about and what I was talking about. And yeah,
and the light was very it was very neutral. It
was not cool, it was not warm. It was it
was you know, and back then, as far as like
human tech goes, back in the seventies, led lights, which

(01:03:21):
are generally cool, were not really a thing, and most
everything was incandescent and so it would have a certain
warmth to it, and this didn't have any kind of
warmth to it. It was very neutral light and like
I said, slightly diffuse, almost almost fuzzy or gaussy in
a way, but enough to where the ambient light just
from that thing coming off of it. Of course, it

(01:03:42):
was moving up up and down the side of the craft.
It sort of shone sort of just the ambient lights
is what that and picking out and like I said,
it was dark, but there was so much light coming
off of the highway and the street lights that I
had that were around me that it was it was
clearly visible. I mean, it was not. It was not

(01:04:03):
like you were just kind of squinting to see something
like if you know it. If it was if the
light ray wasn't there and we were out in the
middle of an unpopulated area and it was flying over me,
you could have you could have missed it because it
was just so black. But that light array and plus that,
you know, just the environmental lights that were around, you

(01:04:25):
could absolutely clearly see what what was what was flying overhead.
And I guess the only the only other reaction or
only other thing that I can remember was that it
did sort of and I think this is just more
adrenaline shock that kind of thing it did. It didn't
sort of make my head kind of tingle, you know
what I mean, And it's kind of a like like

(01:04:47):
a dog getting their hackles up or something. I could
I could definitely feel a hair on the back of
my neck rise. That even happens now when I think
about this, we're any length of time, it's just like, wow,
that's really there is a there is a physical re
reponds to it. And like I said, I you know,
I went, I told my dad, and then at some
point I wrote it down. I don't think I wrote
it down that night, but within a couple of days

(01:05:09):
I wrote it down and kept it in this little book.
And I fully expected to find that book back in
the night. I found the book, and I fully expected
to find that writing in that book. But we had
moved so many times, you know, like I said, I
lived to London and I lived in Washington. See that
the book, you know, whatever it was in that book
was gone, and or I could have been mistaken and
put it in a different book and the book got gone.

(01:05:30):
But but the sheer act of me writing it down
was what I think helped cement this in my brain
and make me feel like I'm fairly comfort in saying
being able to stick by it. But I'm also, like
I said, I'm open minded as to any suggestion that
anybody would have like what is this? What was this?

(01:05:52):
And so I guess my two big sort of things
that I would like to see would be like did
anybody else see it? Or has anybody else seen anything
like that us anywhere? And would anybody like to help
me make either a video or just a graphic representation
that was a little closer to what the truth was,
because it's just one of those things that you know,

(01:06:13):
I'm fifty nine years old now, I'm obviously going to
carry this all the way through the rest of my
life and you know, pass it on my kids and
grandkids and just tell them what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
So yeah, yeah, wonderful. Okay, So to our wonderful listeners
out there, if you are any good working with graphics
on the computer and can maybe help Mike out with this,
please get in touch. And for those of you who
like to like to see the image, it's also on
the cover art of the podcast, but you can head
to the website below and check the link and you

(01:06:44):
can see Mike's rendition and location and some other information.
And if you live or lived at some point in Greenborough,
North Carolina, nineteen seventy six.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking. Nineteen seventy six,
that makes the most sense.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
And you either heard of someone seeing Smith simlit to
what Mike saw, or you indeed sort yourself, then yeah, great,
get in touch the more of the Maria because it's
an interesting one. And you know, if I'd send this
it would bug me. Also fascinating me. I just want
to know how that light array is connected. I mean,
that is certainly amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah, it was. It was quite an interesting just like
lots of questions, you know, just like the only other
thing that I've ever seen that was like had a
And this was not too long ago. This was I
would say, probably early days of the pandemic, but maybe
slightly before. I was coming. I live at near Chapel Hill,

(01:07:41):
North Carolina, which like I said, is about an hour
an hour and twenty minutes from Greensboro, and it's a
big university town. And I was kind of heading down
the main road there, which is called fifteen five oh one,
and I was heading back to my place, and there
I saw straight ahead of me twelve o'clock, probably a

(01:08:03):
few thousand feet in the air, a glint. It was,
you know, midday. It was a glint. It looked like
an aircraft, and then it was gone. It was just
like it was there and then it was gone and
then But I mean I put absolutely nothing to that
that probably was an aircraft, could have been flying over
the horizon and you not see it, or it could
have just gone to an angle that the sun was

(01:08:24):
no longer hitting it, or it could have been something
on my windshield. Who knows. And that's the closest I've
ever come to seeing anything. And my wife for my
wife and I are huge stargazers. We live sort of
rural now, so we're out in the about fifteen minutes
south of Chapel Hill, out kind of in the countryside,
and we have a field about two miles away from

(01:08:48):
our house that we go to and we have a
little app on our phone and we go and look
at the ISS flyover when we get a flyover, and
it's it's always fun. We take the dogs and we
just sit up there and watch the ISS flyover and
watch other satellites on occasion, and and so we do
a lot of stargays, and we have telescopes and stuff
like that, and you know, whenever there's a meteor shower

(01:09:09):
or something like that, we're always out there doing our thing.
And we always joke around, would be great, see it,
you know, see something weird, see something a UFO. And
of course we've seen nothing, so uh, you know, keep hoping.
But I think I've I've had you know this, you know,
I know a lot of people are very traumatized by
UFO sightings and and I'm sure it can be. This

(01:09:29):
to me was just more questions and it was exhilarating
in a way when it happened. And now it's just
kind of cool and I'm not bothered by it or
I'm not like, oh my gosh. I mean, I you know,
if there are aliens surveying our planet or or visiting
us or or whatever, I'm going to like, bring it on.
I mean, we're not doing so good ourselves, so we

(01:09:52):
I welcome, as they said on The Simpsons, I welcome
our new alien over the words. So you know, I
I I thought it was a really it was one
of those things that just added a mystery, layer of
mystery to the life that made it was just it
was fulfilling in a lot of ways, and not fulfilling
in that I don't have answers, you know, it's just like, wow,

(01:10:14):
that was a wonderful experience in a lot of ways,
and not an all dramatic or anything that it was
just a one wondrous I guess would be a better word,
and especially for a thirteen year old kid, because the
world is just kind of ah, you know, it's all
brand new to you so and the fact that I've
kept it around in my you know, in my life
for forty six years is pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Mike is also a musician, and Mike, you know, it's
not uncommon for artists to write a song about the
UFO experience. Some of the big ones have all done it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Sure, Sure, I haven't written one about UFOs yet. I
write lots and lots of music, but I haven't written
that one. My last record was was all songs that
were their instrumentals, but they all took their titles from
my last solo record. I played a band that does
you know, rock and roll songs with vocals that I
don't write those words. I'm terrible at that. But my
last instrumental record was all all the songs were inspired

(01:11:10):
by Stanley Kubrick films and so including two thousand and one,
you know, just not the music from those films, just
the titles of the songs and the emotions of seeing
this a huge, huge Kubrick fan, and a lot of
these songs were you know, had references to a clockwork
orange in two thousand and one and Barry Lyndon and
not all of them. And it wasn't a concept album, Arina.

(01:11:31):
You can't can't really have a concept album as an
instrumental record. But you know, it's just sort of guitar
based rock music. Some of it was kind of weird.
So yeah, that's that's a good idea. Maybe I will.
I know there was a was it had that song
calling visitors of interplanetary craft. There are definitely those songs
out there for sure. And of course Martian Boogie by
I don't know if you ever heard that one before,

(01:11:52):
by sus band from a I think they're from Michigan
called Brownsfield Station. They have a song called Martian Boogie.
It's completely goofy. Yeah. And then of course I played
in the band and we played a song called Flying
Saucers rock and Roll, which is an old rockabilly song.
So it's out there. It's for sure. There's definitely those
those things. You know. I would love to see something
like that again, and you know, maybe at some point

(01:12:16):
we will because we do keep our eyes in the
sky for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
That's it. Just keep watching the guys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Yeah. I also wanted to say that I really enjoy
your podcast for a lot of reasons. One is that
you let the people speak, and lord knows I can speak,
and you just have more interesting things than the usual
sort of Oh, let's talk about Roswell again all the time,
talking about Roswell or Kesburg or Rutgerstrom Forrest or those
those usual things. All those are very interesting. But you know,

(01:12:45):
there are so many other stories out there that, some
of which I find a lot more interesting than the
ones that are that have become sort of like pop
cultural tropes. And I just love collecting that information and
just having it and listening to it, and that hopefully
will point us to look in the skies, help point
us to look at the skuys at the right time,

(01:13:05):
at the right place.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Well, thank you for that, Mike, And you're absolutely right,
you know, I mean a lot of these stories, you know,
they're interesting, and but yeah, they've you know, they've been
done over and over and over again, and there are
hundreds of thousands of experiences, you know, just like yourself, Mike,
people have never heard and there are so many interesting details,
and you know, really I'd like to get on as

(01:13:27):
many many people as the possibly can, but there are
just so many you know. But yeah, I like to
hear these accounts from people, you know, and there's a
good chance that they've never never be heard unless you know.
We give people a place, you know, a home where
they can share.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Them absolutely, and I surely appreciate it. It feels kind of like,
you know, I've heard some of the other podcasts these people,
not only yours, but some other similar type things, you know,
ghost story podcasts, which I'll listen to a couple of those,
and those are absolutely wonderful from falling asleep too and
then having weird dreams. But I'm interested in all that stuff,

(01:14:03):
you know, I find it entertaining. I'm agnostic on those
type things like you know, cryptozoology and ghost stories and
things like that. I'm like, yeah, okay, I don't have
a super strong opinion on any of that stuff. I'm
open minded. But a lot of the people when I've
heard these type things, they always go, wow, this is
really great to just say this and get it off

(01:14:23):
my mind and get it out to a wider audience
and get it people to hear what I've experienced, And
it really is, this has been you know, I've been
sitting here and running my mouth for almost an hour,
and it does feel kind of like wonderfully, like sort
of purging of like this is this is out and
it feels it feels good. And even if this podcast,

(01:14:45):
like if you listen to it back and go, my god,
it was a winker, you throw it on the trashy,
it feels feels good to me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
So I do appreciate that absolutely. I mean it is liberating,
you know, if you haven't never really told too many people.
But there is not always an off chance someone will
be that there and they themselves have sinned this, or
they know someone, or they heard something or something and
it may not even happen for the next ten years,
but one day someone might listen and go, oh, hang on,

(01:15:11):
you know what, I saw that, And it does help people.
It helps people to be able to get it off
their chest. Everyone wants answers, and we don't always get
those answers that we want. But at least it's at
least it's out there, you know, at least it's out there,
and there's a chance that it can get picked up
one day.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Well, yeah, thanks again for
having me on. I enjoyed it. It's good talking to you.
I love hearing your English accent and it just reminds
me of the ten months I spent in England in
nineteen eighty three. I wish I could go have a
pint with you somewhere, even though I really don't drink
much anymore. If I were, I would definitely rescind that

(01:15:46):
and have a pint of a good bidder and maybe
a chip butty or two, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
And so yeah, well, if I'm ever in North Carolina,
because I do, I have quite quite a lot of
guests from North Carolina, and I know I have a
lot of listeners, you know, which is great. So if
I'm ever in North Carolina, I'm saying I don't really
drink so much that as much now, not in my age,
but you know, I will certainly have a couple of schooners.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
If I'm over there, Mike, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Okay, Mike, I really appreciate you coming on sharing that
for Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
It's good to talk to you. This has been fun, man,
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Yeah, great stuff. Or right, keep in contact and I'll
talk to you soon, Mike. A right, thanks a lot, Mike,
all right, Yeah, you two take take care of yours
out That is all for this week. Keep updating and
connected with the show on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. And
if you haven't encounter that you'd like to share on
the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at
gmail dot com or recheck to me via the contact

(01:16:45):
page on my website at ufo Chronicles podcast dot com.
A big finger to Clifton and Mike for sharing tonight,
and thank you all for listening. I'll be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,

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