Ep.169 I know This Sounds Crazy (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you want to report a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 3 (00:05):
We don't want.

Speaker 4 (00:06):
To report every thirty one.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Do you wish to report a UFO old Hey, we
want to one of those.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Data areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a
report of any kind of it?

Speaker 5 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time areas
thirty one me neither there.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
See if it.

Speaker 6 (00:27):
Was actually uh above us to pass us, like thirty
seconds ago.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
We were sending one top of golf negative, Okay, OFFI
the UFO.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yes, I'll just passed over.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
God.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
right over.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
The top of us.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
You just called both to be be fours. They're after
staying the airplanes, he swear to God. More calm in
an unidentified object every liberty four call or calm on
an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
I would like to be on the show. You can
email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello all,

(01:48):
and welcome to the show. Wherever in the world you
are joining us from. I hope you're all doing good.
A slightly longer episode today as we head down Under
to Melbourne to meet and he will be sharing his
lifelong UFO and paranormal experiences. Brock up next. If you
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Speaker 1 (02:34):
Now on with the show, Hello Brock, and welcome to
the podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I Nick, it's really nice to be here and.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
It's great to have you on today and you're calling
from Melbourne, Australia. That's right now, Rock, You've had several
UFO and paranormal experiences that you're going to be sharing
with us. Would you like to start the very beginning, please?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Sure, Okay, I'll try to keep things in order. I
guess technically. The first missing time experience that I know
about that I've had was when I was still in
my mother's womb with my twin sister. She was eight
and a half months pregnant, and I was told that
she lost the best part of a day, maybe about

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six hours, and she has no recollection of what happened
during that time, So I guess that's a missing time experience.
Obviously I have no memory of that. But one of
my very earliest memories was talking with my mother one night,
more talking about things in the sky, stars, planets, the moon,

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and it was nighttime and she said, well, let's go
outside and see what we can see, which was strange
in itself. Never did that, but we did this night,
and we went out into the garden and we were
looking up into the sky and well pointing out and
discussing various celestial objects, the stars and perhaps you know
what could have been planets, and then directly overhead, I

(04:16):
remember this brilliantly bright silver white light. It definitely wasn't
the moon. It was directly overhead and it was very
bright and quite large, maybe as large as a full moon.
And I indicated to it and said, what was that?
And she looked at it and said, I have no
idea what that is. And my next recollection was of

(04:38):
waking up in the morning in bed and as a
little kid, I was really really young. I must have
been four or about four years old. As a little kid,
you don't sort of question those things as much as
you would as an adult. I just didn't really think
that much about it until my mother said to me
in the morning, do you remember going to bed? And didn't,

(05:00):
And so we tried to piece things together but couldn't.
And I was just a little kid, so it was
sort of weird to me, and I just sort of
dismissed it. But now, in hindsight, with everything that I've experienced,
I see that but perhaps a missing time experience as well.
And around that time, I saw this apparition that would

(05:21):
visit me in the nighttime. And it sounds terrifying and
it is terrifying, but for some reason, it didn't scare
me as much as it should have. It was a
disembodied head and a neck floating above me in bed,
and there was this grotesque, sort of almost decomposed looking lady,

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and she had this very loud, gruff, terrible voice, and
she was trying to be nice and loving towards me.
That was the impression I had at such a very
young age, but she just didn't quite get how to
do it, and it was almost comical of how hopeless
she was at trying to be nice and loving to me.
I gave her the name of the glass Lady, as

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you do when you're a kid, and that's because a
few times when she was opening her mouth, I could
catch a glimpse of a glass or a smoky crystal
tooth at the back of her mouth, but it wasn't
where a tooth should be. It was directly at the
back of her tongue. It was very weird, and I

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told my mother about this and really freaked her out.
And looking back on it, if I saw this today,
it would freak me out as well. But for some
reason I wasn't freaked out. But what did freak me
out around that time was where I lived in a
rural area. There was lots of possums, which is an
animal we have here, and some of the larger ones

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can make a truly horrendous sound, terrible screaming, grunting sounds,
and if you didn't know what it was, you would
think it's a monster. But I had heard the many, many,
many times and was very familiar with what they sounded by,
and this particular night I could hear at first what
I thought was one of these possums screaming and grunting,
and it was directly outside of my bedroom window. And

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it didn't scare me only because I thought it was
a possum. It more annoyed me because I was thinking, ah,
you know, this is the loudest, worst sounding possum I've
ever heard, and it's right outside my bedroom window. How
am I going to get to sleep? Kind of thing?
But then it started to change and morph, and it
started to make this coughing sound in amongst the screaming

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and the grunting, and it freaked me out because it
sounded human. It sounded like a human cough. And then
that as it kept screaming and grunting and coughing, the
cough slowly morphed and started to sound like it was
saying hello. But in this really scratchy, haggard, horrible monster
for a lack of a better word kind of way,

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and that was scary. That scared me it and it
kept repeating this grunting, screaming, scratchy hello, and each time
it cycled through, it got a little bit better at
saying hello, like it was trying to learn how to
do it, or teach yourself how to do it. It
was really strange and terrifying and unlike anything I'd ever heard.
And it got quite clear that this thing was trying

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to say hello, and I was sure it was to
me because it sounded like it was right outside my
bedroom window. So I screamed for my parents and they
came in. This thing stopped, and I said, you know, Mom, Dad,
I've heard this monster. It is trying to say hello
to me out the window and saying, oh, no, it
was only a dream. And they did their best to

(08:35):
pacify me, and after a while they left and I thought, oh, okay,
Mom and Dad, they've always got my back door. They
wouldn't let me down. Maybe it was a dream. And
at that point I heard this loud whisper of this
thing and it just said hello, and it was directly

(08:56):
at my window, like I would imagine its face was
pressed against the window. There was no way I was looking,
and I just sunk down in absolute terror and just
a fear. I was completely scared out of my mind
like never before, and the crazy thing, and I just
you can't understand this, but this is what happened. I

(09:19):
fell asleep, fell straight to sleep. I don't know why,
but that's what happened. I don't know if I passed out,
but it seemed like I just fell asleep. So moving
forward a little bit now, I think I was eleven
or twelve. I woke up one morning, and I think
it must have been a Saturday morning because you live
in a house for many years and you get to
recognize the familiar noises and the washing. I could hear

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the washing machine going in the laundry. I was on
spin cycle ast. That of worked me up, and that
was a very familiar thing to him, my mother doing
the washing on Saturday morning. And I hadn't opened my eyes.
I was just sort of enjoying the feeling of waking up,
feeling rested, and thinking about what I might have done
or been doing for the day. And then after a
minute or so of just I opened my eyes to

(10:01):
get out of bed and next to my bed was
this I don't know what it was. I guess the
word would be encryptid. It was a hooded figure that
was wrapped in bandages, like a mummy, and it was
wearing like a monk's hood, and the bandages were covered

(10:23):
and smeared in what looked like some kind of rancid
animal fat. It was disgusting and futrid. And it was
staring straight ahead, standing at my bedside, staring straight ahead
at the opposite wall, motionless. And I was on a
bunk bed. And so this thing it was tall. It
was very tall. It was it must have been at

(10:45):
least seven feet tall. And it shocked me so badly
that before I could get the first scream out, I
passed out. And it's the most horrific thing I think
I've ever seen, or could even imagine seeing. The hood
was this really coarse brown material, but it was filthy,

(11:08):
the filthiest fabric you could ever see. And it was
just tattered and really horrible. And the bandages were filthy,
absolutely filthy, and smeared in this fat or grease or something. Why,
it was just horrendous. I could see the shape of

(11:28):
a person, the impression I got was male underneath it,
like I could see the nose and the chin and
where the eyes would have been, but it was completely
wrapped in bandages. And I don't know if it was
the fear or what it was. I just passed out
and I jerked away. What wouldn't have been too much
longer after that, just judging by the sound of the

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washing machine still going in spin cycle, but it wasn't there.
And there was me thinking what am I going to do?
What if these things under the bed? But fortunately I
was saved by my mother as she opened the door
to greet me for the morning, and I would have
thought whatever was still in there, she would have seen it.
But yeah, So a little while after that, I think

(12:12):
I might have been about thirteen years old. I was
staying at a motel for the night with my twin
sister from my younger sister, and my parents, and this
was near a bay in the city and at that
time there was a UFO flap. Some lights were being
seen over the bay, and on our way there, my
father joked that we might see UFOs and I kind

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of thought that was a bit neat, and what do
you know, we did. My parents were attending a wedding
reception that was at a function center there, and they
left us in the room, and they came back to
check on us regularly, and we could see from our
room over the bay and we were just watching TV
in being bored, and I saw a red light out there,

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and I thought it might have been a flare, a
signal flare from a boat, but I don't know. And
it was just a red light, and then another and
another and then started moving in a weird step to
fashion across and then up and across and then up
and a signal let us don't do that, and then
it would appear to blink off in one position and

(13:15):
instantly blink on in another. And it had this light
show for fifteen or twenty minutes, and our parents came
back and were saying, we saw a UFO. They just
didn't believe us, but we did. And yeah. So I
was having pre cognitive dreams at that time as well.

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They would often involve dreaming of a plane crash and
or a train crash or something, or some tragedy, and
then within a few days that would happen and I
would see this on the news and think, oh, I
think I dreamt of this. You know, this looks familiar,
And some of the dreams were quite distressing, and I

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just felt that I was doing that and having other
strange dreams at that time about being me but in
a different timeline. And in one of them, I was
a child soldier in the town I grew up in
and there was some kind of civil war or some
kind of conflict, and that was really strange to me
because at that age I didn't even know there were
child soldiers or that was a possibility, so that was happening.

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I used to do this thing with my school friends
where I could asked them to pick out somebody in
a crowd from a distance and then concentrate on them
and have them turn around and stare at me. And
I don't know what that's about, but I was able
to do that again and again and try to get
my friends to really challenge me and pick somebody difficult,

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and I was not every time. Some people it would
not work on, but some people would work on almost instantly.
And I remember my ex wife was particularly vulnerable. I
would look at her head, the back of her head
and think tea or toast, and she would put down
what she was doing. She did a lot of knitting.

(15:02):
She put down a knitting and say would you like
a cup of tea or you like some toast? And
I thought that was pretty funny. Yeah, so that's what
that was. Shadow creatures. The first shadow entity or entities
I saw with a friend of mine. We were riding
our mountain bikes. It was about sunset and there's a

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large dam town I grew up in, and although it
closes in the evening for people, we knew a way
to get in around the back, and it's beautiful, absolutely gorgeous,
and when there's no people there, it's even more beautiful.
And we had ridden across the wall and we're in
the middle of the wall and we're looking over the

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wall down into some really nice gardens at the bottom,
and it was on sunset. It was just the gloaming light,
but you could see and we could see what, at
first I thought were black rabbits that appeared to come
out of the bushes and the garden down there, and
we were speculating that perhaps it might be some kind

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of selective breeding where the darkest rabbits were able to
be there and they weren't predicated on if they were
black or something. We were just trying to rationalize what
we were seeing running around there. And this is from
about one hundred meters away, and we're watching these things,
but they got faster and faster, and we were thinking,
are they hairs? What's so fast that it could be
running like that? And then they became so fast it

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was impossible for any animal. And they were not defined.
They were sort of fuzzy around the edges, and they
were darker than the darkness that was growing. That's all
I could say. I couldn't see any features or anything
on them. No, all I could say was that they

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were black shapes. I been a dozen of them, and
they were whizzing around, and we watched them trying to
figure out what they were, until it got dark enough
that we couldn't really clearly see them. So we rode home.
And at about that time I was with some friends.
That guy that was with me as well, he was

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with me on this day, and we were on a hike,
a day hike, and along this river and a really
beautiful place. Me and my friend had done this hike
many times, and we were taking another two guys along
to show them. There was some great stuff to see
along the way, and we were having a nice time
walking along. I was leading the way a single file,

(17:27):
and I walked into this smell. It came on so suddenly.
I call it the wall of stink, and it stopped me.
It was the worst smell I've ever smelt, and it
smelled of dead animal and feces, and it was really bad.

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It smelled terrible, and I remember thinking at the time
we had come across a dead cow a month or
so earlier that had wandered off from somewhere and died
in the forest there, and that smell bad, but this
was far worse. And on top of that, I could
see for about fifty meters in all directions, and I
couldn't see where the smell would have been coming from.

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And I thought, if that's a cow, I should be
able to see, but I couldn't. All of my friends
stopped behind me, and one of my friends he just exclaimed,
that's the smell of death. And so we kept walking,
and about fifty meters along down the track, a rock

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about the size of a golf ball sailed through the trees.
I could hear it going through the leaves, and it
slammed into the ground really close to us, and I
remember thinking where through that had one hell of an
arm that came from a long way away, and it
could have hurt I, had have hit us as well.
So I suddenly had this feeling of not being safe, uneasy, danger,

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and all of the group with us all sort of
simultaneously muttered, let's just get out of here, and we
all agreed and left the area. We had to come
back the same way on the return journey, and when
we passed back that same area, I commented that there
was no longer a smell, which I thought was strange
because I thought of if it was a dead animal,

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it would still smell on the way back, but it didn't.
And I mentioned this and to the group and they
just said, no, worry about it, so I didn't. We
moved on. And a few years after that, when I
was sixteen years old and a lifelong friend passed away
from cancer, which was a really cruel blow to me.

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It was the first time that death had really been
that close to my life. And this guy was awesome.
He was an incredible athlete and just a really great guy.
And I was upset, naturally, of all the people you know,
to die a bit. He did, and I after a
time I dreamt about him, but it was unlike a

(20:04):
normal dream. You can when something's unlike any other dream
you've ever had, it stands out. So in this dream,
I was in this strange city scape and all the
buildings looked like they were made from sandstone, beautiful sandstone,
and all the buildings looked brand new, like just built.
The architecture was like old Roman architecture, Gothic perhaps, and

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there was no people around a super blue sky with
super white clouds. So it sounds cliche, but that's what
there was. The building I was in front of looked
like an old bank with big Roman columns, and I
had this epic, epically huge glass door that was absolutely huge,
and two pieces of glass with huge brass hinges and handles,

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and it was so thick. I could see somebody approaching
on the other side in the gloom of this building
when I couldn't quite make it out, and dis thought
it from the thickness of the glass. But as they
got right up to the door, I saw that it
was my deceased friend, and it scared me and I
felt adrenaline, which is unusual. I don't think I really

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ever felt that n dream before, and it scared me.
I staggered back and said, you're dead. It was all
I could get out, and he came through the door,
opened the door easily smiling. He said, yes, and I'm
here to tell you about it. So he gestured towards
the gutter and we sat down and for the next

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ten or fifteen minute he told me about the afterlife,
and I experienced intense feelings of awe and wonder and
amazement and absolute astonishment listening to what he was saying.
And when he finished, I was actually angry with him
because what he said was so profound and so huge.
I was thinking, this is going to totally ruin my life.

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I'm going to wake up and tell people about this,
and everybody's going to think I'm insane and I've lost
my mind or something. And I was upset with him.
Why would you put this burden on me? And he
agreed that yeah, it would be a problem. So he
said that when you wake up, you'll remember all of
the feelings of our conversation, you won't have any of

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the words, and that's what happened. I woke up and
I felt I could relive the conversation emotionally, just none
of the words. So it was of a huge help
for me and I was able to move on. And
a little while after that I had another dream with him,

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and it was the same kind of dream, had the
same kind of look and feel, And this time I
was standing in and really ancient looking pine forest, and
next to me was this river. It wasn't wide, but
it was quite deep and with dark, powerful water. You
could see the eddies and currents there. I could see

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across from this river was this city Escape, but it
wasn't a huge city. It was more like a movie set.
There was only a dozen or so buildings there, and
the same hyper blue sky and hyper white clouds. But
I was in the edge of this forest with the
river bordering that. And they looked back around and my

(23:21):
friend was there, and he was approaching me, and it
gave me a fright. And he this time, rather than smiling,
he was very a stere, very somber look on his face.
And he walked up to me and very solemn, and
he stopped a few meters away. He bent down and
picked up a single pine needle. He held it out

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and in front of me, to show me, and then
tossed it into the river. As it moved downstream, it
was tumbled and turned by the eddies and the currents
of the powerful, dark water, and watching this, a message
was given to me that I was one needle in
an endless forest. My path down the river was the
river of life. My ability to affect the river was

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out of the needle. And at that woke up. I
encountered an elderly woman who lived on the street I
grew up on. In a dream, she passed away, and
about a year after she passed, I found myself walking
into the kitchen of her house and she was sitting
there at the table, except she appeared as she would

(24:27):
have been in her early twenties. I'd never seen her
in her early twenties, but I knew it was her,
and she had a haircut and clothing that was I'm
guessing the style at the time when she was in
her early twenties, and that's how she appeared like in
her most beautiful form. And I remember all the clothes
very clearly what she wore. And I made the comment

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in my mind that she did look quite beautiful, and
she could somehow perceive that and she gave me this
sort of rice mile. I think it was flattering to her.
And she told me further details about the afterlife, including
that was that it was possible to create new souls.
And he was profound and I was flappogasted, and as

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a teenage boy, I just uttered, no way, are you
telling me there's procreation of the afterlife? And she just replied,
only if you want to. It was incredible, unlike any
dream dreams I've ever had. Moving forward, I was about
nineteen or twenty years old, and I was visiting a
friend's house in the country for a small party. And

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we will get together often on weekends and there'll be
eight or ten of us, all close friends from school.
Would hang out and have a few drinks and dance
and fool table there. It was awesome. And I arrived
put some beer in the bar fridge, and I said
hi to everybody, and then I went to the side

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of the house. It was a overcast night, was formally overcast.
There were no stars visible except for one red light
in the sky. It was about probably thirty degrees up
and dead ahead from my position, and for some strange reason,
I thought it must have been some kind of artifact

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of the cloud cover turning this star red because it
was bright enough to shine through. And I just rationalized
this red light as a ridiculous way. I would never
normally come to a conclusion like that. It looked like
looking at the light of a laser pointer that you
would use in a lecture, had a shimmery interference pattern

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to it. And suddenly, even though I had only just
arrived at this party and I was looking forward to
a nice night with my friend, I had an overwhelming
urge to walk home as fast as I could. And
I power walked down the driveway onto the road and
felt this increasing urgency to walk as fast as I could,
even though I lived in many kilometers away. Fifty kilometers away.

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Memory was opening my eyes and seeing something dark, gray
in front of me and trying to figure out what
it was. And this turned out to be the underside
of the sleep pool table in the house that I'd left.
I couldn't move, and I felt a type of cold
that I've never experienced before. It was coldest on the
inside and warmer on my extremities, which is normally the opposite.

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I tried to piece together what was happening and my
thoughts were that I must have somehow fallen asleep underneath
the pool table, and for some reason my friends left
me there, and that was not like that. There were
good people, they wouldn't have left me there. And when
I was there, i'd become hypothemic during the night, and
I'd woken up because of the cold. My voice in

(27:45):
my head said, and I wasn't mine. I had said,
move or you will die here. And with all my effort,
I rolled onto my stomach and I could just move
my arms, and I started dragging myself towards the door
by my elbows. And by the time I got to
the door, I had a bit more ability, and I

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was able to crawl down the hallway, and when I
reached the stairwell, I was able to stand sort of,
and I climbed the stairs sort of hand over hand.
I got to my bed and I began to undress,
all the time thinking what has happened? You know something,
This isn't right, this has never happened before. I just
didn't understand what was happening. And my guess was that

(28:30):
I somehow got drunk, and I couldn't figure out why
I didn't bring that much beer. And what really alarmed
me the most of this was that I took my
pants off to hop into bed. My underwear was on
inside out, and you just don't do that. I never
do that. I've never done that again ever. But they

(28:50):
were on inside out, and it shocked me. And all
I could think was that somehow I'd gotten so drunk
but I blacked out, and whatever I did, I must
have upset my friends because they left me under the
pool table and it involved me removing my underwear. This
was terrible. In my head, I was thinking, Oh, no,
have I made a fool of myself? This is so weird.

(29:12):
This is so weird. Why I kind of remember? And
I fell into bed and ill pretty much straight to sleep.
And the next morning I walked downstairs and the host
of the house from the night before he was in
the kitchen making breakfast, and he looked at me and
with a bit of a surprise, and said, what are
you doing here? He thought I went home after I arrived,

(29:36):
and he told me my beer was still in the fridge,
and he wondered what I was doing here, and he
thought I'd gone home, And I asked what had happened?
I told him that I couldn't remember anything of last
night and preparing myself for this story of me making
a fool of myself, and he said, I don't know.
You arrived, said hi, and then you were gone. I

(29:57):
have no recolle at all of what happened that night,
but my estimate is that I was gone for about
six hours. I have no idea how I got back inside,
how I managed to be under the pool table. I
have no idea what happened that night.

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in app stocks and remember, don't be normal, Be Paranon.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Moving on. I was living in a sharehouse as a
young man with some friends in the Inner City. One
of my friends was having a fight with their boyfriend
and I was sort of helping to mediate between them,
and at one point the boyfriend said he was leaving,
and he stormed off and slammed the door, and then
stomped down the hallway and slammed the front door, and

(31:43):
he was not being very nice at all, and I
was about to console the girl when a voice came
into my head and it very clearly said, don't say
anything about him. Just outside the door and he can
hear everything you were saying. And I did. I did
just what the voice said, and I remained completely neutral,

(32:05):
and the voice was right he was. He pretended to
leave the house, but he was actually right outside the
door wanting to listen what I said. And he later
told me it really scared me that if you heard
me say anything bad about him, he was going to
kick the door and bash me. So that voice really
saved me, and I'm very grateful for it. I moved

(32:28):
in with what was going to become my wife at
the time, into this old house on the Inner City,
and I was home alone one night, and then I
was watching TV and the TV started to do this
crazy thing where it suddenly would go to static and
it was producing a very loud static white noise sound

(32:51):
in short, sharp bursts, and it was very loud. It
seemed to be louder than what the TV was capable
of producing. And this particular TV, when there was no signal,
it just displayed a blue screen. And I have no
idea how to actually get it to display static or
make that static sound, but it was doing that. At

(33:13):
this time I was home alone. It was scary it
it seemed to be scaring me, and it scared me
to the point where I thought I can't be in here.
So I stepped out into the back garden and to
try and calm myself down. And I had this thought
to speak into the night to nobody in particular, and
I said, we are good people. We're a nice family.

(33:35):
We don't want to change anything. We just want to
live here. And as soon as I said that, there
was this really heavy loud bud on a door that
I was standing next to. It was the door to
an old fashioned outhouse and a really small room and
it was used for storage now and it was completely
full to the roof of boxes. Absolutely well, I know
I put them in there. There was no room for

(33:57):
anything to be in there, or anyone, certainly not anything
big enough to make such a huge thump on the
door it was. I saw the door move with a thump,
and it appeared to be on the inside, and nothing
was on the outside of the door except me. I
was standing right next to it, and it really frightened me.
And it frightened me so much I almost leapt back
into the house in one bound. So I turned the

(34:18):
TV off and unplugged the TV and went to bed,
not knowing what else to do. And the next experience
with that I was there. It was just me and
my three odd steps on, and it was about eight
o'clock at night. I just put him to bed and
sitting down, turned the TV on and the TV started
to do this loud static thing again and it was

(34:40):
quite darring and it scared me, and I turned the
TV off, being oh gosh, you know again, and my
steps on, three odd steps on, came running out of
his room saying somebody was in his bedroom. And my
first thought was there was an intruder and I was
going to go into the room, and I thought that
person out and you know, I was there and in

(35:03):
a couple of seconds, but there was nobody in there.
The window was closed and I couldn't see any sign
of any intruder. And I stepped into the room in
it and I know it's cliched, but it was cold.
It was really far colder than it should have been
in there, and there was no air conditioning or anything

(35:28):
like that too as a reason why it should have
been so cold, and actually stopped me from going in.
And I stepped back out and I could see, you know,
the window was clearly closed, and there was a toy
mobile hanging from the ceiling and it was swinging abouts
and there was I couldn't rationalizes why that was happening.

(35:50):
And I spoke into the room, saying, whoever is in here,
you were scaring my son and you need to leave.
And as soon as I said that, a box of
nappies flew off a shelf and it landed on the
floor a few feet away. And not know, if I
had have just fallen off, I would have landed on
the floor below where it fell up, and it didn't.
It flew across the room and it scared my steps

(36:12):
on an eye, and we returned to the lounge room,
and after quite some time, you know, we talked about it,
and I was trying to calm him, and we agreed
that we both freak each other out and that we
just imagined it somehow, And so I got him. We
went back into the room. Everything seemed normal. It wasn't cold,

(36:34):
nothing was swinging about or flying off the shelves. So
I put him back into bed, and I tucked him
into bed and with a final reassurance, We're going to
be fine. I'm right here, and see that I'm safe.
And he pointed over my shoulder and cried out they
were right there, and oh, I just had the feeling
of ice run down my spine, just you know, when

(36:55):
somebody looks over your shoulder and says they're right there.
I felt threatened and I turned but I couldn't see anything.
And that was that. He was sleeping in my room
that night. And in that same house a little while later,
we were having a house party. I think it might
have been a birthday party. There was a lot of

(37:17):
guests and the house was crowded. I was in the
kitchen with loads of people and the door leading to
the back garden was open and people were coming in
and out, and I saw a moth lie in through
the door and it was under some morning and it
flew in through the door and we skillfully passed a

(37:38):
dozen people at least and it went straight for me
and it landed on my index finger. And I was
talking to my younger sister at the time, and did
you see that? She's like, wow, you know, she did,
she saw it, and we both commented that it was
like had a radar lock for me. And held my

(38:01):
finger up and I was going to generally blow this
moth off, but it wouldn't budge, and it was really
hanging on. It was quite impressive, even though I was
really trying to dislodge it with it a force will blow.
And I looked closely and yeah, I don't know what
was going on, but it looked like it was constructed

(38:22):
of thousands of tiny gold, silver and copper wires. I
had a mechanical look to it, and I showed it
to my sister and I said, look at this, and
her mouth just fell open and she said, after a bit,
is that a robot? And we both stared at it,

(38:43):
and it was incredible and beautiful, and we ignored everybody
else and we're just looking at this moth. And eventually
I blew with enough force to dislodge the moth from
my finger and it took off and it flew a
lap of the room we were in, and it ducked
and weaved like a fighter plane around everybody in the room,

(39:07):
and then it landed back in the center of my foreheads.
And as that happened, as crazy as it sounds, and
no illicit substances. I'm not that kind of person. Maybe
one or two drinks, but really nothing, and as crazy
as it sounds, I felt a really strong and a

(39:28):
loving voice in my head and it said, you are loved,
you are not alone. Everything will be all right, and
it was beautiful and amazing, and I was really overwhelmed
with it, and a tear ran down my cheek, you know,
I couldn't help it, and I had this urge to cry,

(39:50):
but from love and like a relief or a release
or something. And it was almost overtook me, and I
left the party and I went into my beatroom. It
took me a couple of minutes to calm down. I
don't know what happened to the moth. I never saw
a flyaway. So moving forward a bit, now, we've left

(40:10):
the inner city and we're living in the country in
a night house. And I was driving along with my
wife and three kids along a country highway, and I've
been up and down this highway countless times. A plane
had just a lightplane just taken off from a nearby airfield,
and it was about one hundred meters off the ground,

(40:31):
and it was coming from my three o'clock. It was
about two hundred meters in front of us, and I
was going at about one hundred kilometers an hour, and
we all saw a metallic orb about a meter in diameter,
maneuvering in the craziest way behind this aircraft. And it
should have been This orb was moving so fast. I
thought this should make a super sonic boom or bang

(40:54):
or something. But it didn't make any sound I could
hear over the car. I said to my wife. She
was not believing what was happening at all. And I
said to her, if you don't believe in UFOs, what's that?
And she and all the kids looked, and all of
my kids started saying, it's a UFO, you know, it's

(41:14):
a UFO, and my wife all she said was what
is that? It can't be a UFO because they don't exist.
And that was frustrating when somebody is saying that to you,
But that's what that was. So a little while later,
it wasn't long later, and I was feeling pretty dejected

(41:36):
about her refusal to believe what was happening, even though
we were all present and all seeing these things. And
I stepped out onto the balcony. It was summer night, beautiful,
and I was looking up into the sky and I
could see three bright golden lights moving about right in
front of me, like really obviously right in front of me.

(41:57):
Probably it's hard to tell, but my guest was two
hundred meters away. And for some reason, you know, I'd
ever been given any instructions, but I knew that I
could think in my head to communicate with these lights.
So I said, it's really important that my wife sees you,
because she doesn't believe in UFOs. I wanted to get

(42:19):
her out here, please don't go anywhere, And so I
called out, and she came out onto the balcony and
I said, look, I want you to look at something,
and she stepped out and asked her, look in this
guy and tell me what you see, trying to be
as neutral as I could, and her response was that
she could see three lights moving about, but they aren't

(42:39):
UFOs because they aren't real. So I said to her,
if I can think out to them and get them
to give us a light show, will you believe me?
And she didn't say she would, but she said go
on then, And so I thought out to these three lights,
and I said, as clearly as I could in my mind, Okay, guys,
this is really important to me. Can you please give

(43:02):
us a light show? And straightaway all the lights in
the house went out, along with all the power and
in total darkness. With quite a venomous tone in her voice,
my wife said to me, don't you ever effing do
that again. So I got a light show, it just

(43:22):
wasn't what I was asking for. So I was driving
to work one morning, left for work pretty much the
same time every morning, and so I can pretty much
accurately guess it was about five point fifty am just
for the location. I was on this stretch of highway
and I saw what looked like a street light in

(43:42):
the middle of this field. And I thought to myself,
the hell would go to the effort of putting a
street light in the middle of a cow paddic. It's
just I just thought it was a weird and expensive
thing to do. And I could see it. It was
probably about one hundred meters into the paddic, so no
more than one hundred and twenty meters away from me,
and I was driving along and it was a It
looked like a black pole about the height of a powerpole,

(44:04):
with a single bright white light on top of it,
but off to the side like a street light like
you would expect. But as I got right up to it,
I could make out that was on top of the
pole and it was lit by the light was this
matte black shape that was curving out of sight. And

(44:26):
the impression was judging by the curvature that I could
see that whatever it was would have been huge, like
five or six hundred meters in diameter. That meant I
was driving directly underneath a segment of it, whatever this
thing was, And I felt my mouth curved down in

(44:46):
a feeling of dread. I don't think I've ever felt
that before, and real fear because you're driving under this thing,
and so I just drove on. I was like one
hundred ks an hour, and I just drove on and
I arrived at work on time, so no missing time there.
And that afternoon on the way home, I looked, of course,

(45:10):
and there was no lamp post, there, no sign of
anything there at all, no tractor tires or any marks,
and the grass that would have indicated there was anything
there at all. Curiously, years later, as I drove up
and down, I would often look at that part of
the field and that exact spot and nowhere else. The

(45:34):
ground subsided, probably about a meter in a circle, maybe
about ten or fifteen meters across, like something had been
taken out of the ground under there, and the ground
had slowly subsided, and it started to fill up with
water in the winter, and you can actually see it
on Google Maps. So I don't know why you could

(45:56):
assume or make a guess that this what it looked
like a lamppost was stuck in the ground and it
took something from out of the ground and later the
ground subsided. I don't know, but that's just what it
felt like to me. And a little while later I
had a I guess what you call a UFO flap,
or at least my own personal UFO flap where I

(46:16):
saw or craft in the space of a week or so.
And I did this trip for years, up and down
the highway on the way hand from work. I was
super familiar with it. You know, talk about being able
to drive blindfolded. That was definitely something I could have
done on this road. And I was on my way
hand from work and I could see what I thought

(46:38):
might have been a paraglider. It was a weird silvery
shape or something. I couldn't quite understand what I was
looking at. It was weird, and I was looking at
it and looking at it trying to figure out what
it was. And it changed shape, as what I perceived
is it changed orientation. So when I first saw it,

(46:59):
its back was I was looking at us back and
it turned and I saw it sidhe and funny as
it sounds, it kind of resembled a Volkswagen in shape,
it with a pointy of front. And then it turned
again in the other direction and passed behind this hill.
And that shocked me because what I thought was something
that was much closer was actually a lot further away

(47:20):
than I realized. But it must have been huge, really big.
It passed behind this hill. If it was close to
the hill, I would guess that its size was somewhere
between six to eight hundred meters across. And I was
completely blown away, absolutely blown away. I really couldn't believe
what I was seeing, because this is four o'clock in
the afternoon on a busy highway. There's a lot of traffic,

(47:42):
and there's people everywhere, and I just couldn't get my
head around how this thing could be there. But it was,
so now I'm looking in the same location to try
and see something else the next day, and the next day,
and after a few days I saw something else. And
the strange thing about this was I was looking at
it before, and I was looking for UFOs and I

(48:05):
was looking at this thing for several seconds before it
hit me as to what it was. And it was
almost like you could look straight at it but not
even see it or not. It wouldn't register anyway. I saw.
It looked like an old fashioned dumbbell, and I had
the two spherical ends connected by a cylindrical shaft brush aluminium,

(48:27):
I mean in color, and it was big. Each globe
would have been I guess about fifty meters in diameter,
and the shaft was probably about sixty meters long and
maybe twenty meters thick, and it was moving in this
strange rocking motion, sort of going from a forty five
degree angle in one way to another. And it was
really low to the ground that was sort of in

(48:49):
a gully, and my impression was that it was trying
to not be seen. I didn't get to look at
it for very long as I was driving, and I
lost it in the terrain, and I tried to regain
sight of it as I prested the next rise, but
I couldn't. I don't know where it went to if
it disappeared. I just couldn't see it. So now I'm

(49:10):
looking intently every night on the way home. And the
next day I saw another one, and it was in
the same kind of color scheme of brushed aluminium, and
this one it was in almost the same place, and
it resembled if you could imagine a school ruler, a
thirty centimeters wooden ruler, and in Australia we've got these

(49:32):
fifty cent pieces. If you could imagine discs, the size
of that stuck base on to the ends of the
ruler and a third disc the same size intersecting the
middle of the ruler. That's what it looked like. But
the size of it was big, sixty or seventy meters long,
and it was in the It was in the same place,
and it was only visible for a few seconds, low down,

(49:56):
trying to stay out of sight was my guess, and
wouldn't have. It's more than thirty meters off the ground,
and it was moving in a weird way. It was
tilted at quite at sharp angle, and it was rotating
with a low end fixed in place in a circular fashion,
so it was like transcribing a conical shape in the air. Strange,

(50:16):
really bizarre. Just what moves like that? You know? It
shocked me. I lost side of it and couldn't regain
side of it. I don't know why I didn't stop
the car so looking for the next few days I
didn't see anything. And then on the way home, a
few more kilometers along the road, on the same side,
but in a different place, this time only about two

(50:39):
hundred meters away and about one hundred and fifty meters
up was the shiny metallic disc. Was really close and
it was really undeniable. As to what it was. There's
no confusing it with anything else other than a shiny,
metallic disc. And weirdly, the impression looking at this thing

(50:59):
wasn't it was floating, but it was hanging. Not that
there was any reason to think that, but that's just
the impression I got from this, like I was hanging
by a piece of string. It was the shape of
a classic frisbee, except the underside was filled in. It
wasn't hollow like a frisbee. There was no features, no motion,
no sound. It was just hanging there. This one was shinier.

(51:21):
I slowed down and the car in front of me
slowed down as well, and that gave me a sense
of relief. I was thinking, oh, I can see it too,
so it can't be crazy. And I was going to
pull over and stop for a battle look, and I
wanted to flag people down and point, and you know,
I thought if I could get somebody else to see it,
then I won't be crazy. And as I was slowing

(51:42):
down to pull over, I thought came into my head
that I shouldn't be laid home because it'll worry my wife.
And I shook my head and thought, no, no, no,
they won't even know if I'm a few or two
minutes late, I'm going to stop. And then a powerful
voice came into my head and I woke clearly was
not mine, and it said, if you are laid home,

(52:04):
your wife and kids will think you have died in
a car accident. And an image was flashed into my
mind's eye of my kids crying and looking distraught. And again,
I'm still looking. I'm looking at this object as I'm
driving along and I'm almost stopped, and I shook my

(52:24):
head like trying to shake this out of my head,
as if that would make any difference. And I really thought, firmly, no,
I am stopping to look at this, and a booming
voice came into my head, and it really boomed, and
it was very with real authority, and it said, you
will traumatize your children, and very assertive voice. And this

(52:48):
time it was the feeling of what my children would
feel if I died in a car crash, and it
was of total loss and devastation, and that got me,
and that was enough. I didn't want to experience that anymore.
And I continued driving instead of the car in front
of me, and I was really angry at this thing,

(53:11):
and I was shaking my fist at it, and I
was yelling out, God, damn it. My wife thinks I'm
crazy because of you. I watched it for as long
as I could before losing it out of sight around
around a bend, and I told my wife about it
when I got home, and she laughed at me. And
about half an hour later, I went outside and I
noticed a bright orange helicopter in the sky and it

(53:33):
was hovering at a really high altitude, at about seven
hundred meters maybe, And I watched it for about ten
minutes and it didn't move, and there were no markings
on the helicopter that I could see from that distance,
and the design it wasn't like a commercial helicopter. It
was more like a rescue or a military helicopter. And

(53:54):
what was weird was helicopters hover, for sure, but when
they're coming into land or doing something that, I don't
just sit way up in the sky and hover for
no reason. If they're not up that high, they're going somewhere.
These things are expensive to run. So the only conclusion
that I could draw from that was that it was
looking for something. And I wonder if it was looking
for what I had seen that night. So that night,

(54:18):
but I saw this metallic disc. I was standing on
my balcony. I was looking out into the night sky,
and I was feeling really dejected, a little silly. My
wife was giving me a hard time about believing in UFOs.
So as clearly as I could, I thought, out into
the night, Okay, I want to know what's going on.
My wife thinks I'm crazy. I'm starting to think I'm crazy.

(54:38):
I need answers. And I watched and I waited for
a few more minutes, but nothing happened. So later that night,
I was sleeping and I was woken by the stirring
of my youngest daughter. And normally I let her cry
for a minute or so because sometimes she settles herself
back down and I don't have to get up and
get her back to sleep. At this time, for a reason,

(55:00):
as soon as I heard her cry, I sat up.
I kind of groggly got out of bed and shambled
my way around to her room. And I got to
her door, opened it and I looked in and I
could see her fast asleep, and I kind of thought, ah,
you know, I don't have to set a lad back
down good, she's asleep. But what I well was strange
and I should have queried this, but I didn't. I

(55:23):
could see her face, even though the room should have
been pitch dark and I couldn't see anything else. It
was just her face lit up, and she looked perfectly,
peacefully asleep. I didn't question it. I don't know why,
but that's just what I saw. So I turned back
towards bed, and as I rounded my side of the bed,
standing in front of my bedside table, it was faint,

(55:45):
but it was very sharply defined, a luminous green entity,
a luminous green silhouette. And I stopped dead in my tracks,
half way through my footsteps, and my mouth fell open,
A strange feeling when your mouth falls open, but it
did fell open, and there it was. I wouldn't have
been more than the distance of a bed away from it,
and maybe three and a half or four foot tall,

(56:07):
and had the body shape of a really spindly child,
and with a huge head I guess a classical alien gray.
But there were no features. It was just a glowing
green silhouette. And I looked at it for quite a while,
you know, more than a few seconds, and I sort
of snapped to some kind of sense. And I said,

(56:29):
in an angry, an annoyed voice in my head, I
don't know why, somehow you just know to say this
in your head. And I said it directly to this thing.
You interfered with my daughter to get me out of bed.
That is forbidden. My wife is right there. She wakes
up and sees you. She will lose it. And this
thing cut me off with my rant and it just

(56:51):
really in a well chosen way, it just said you asked.
And at that it stepped sideways and passed with the
bedroom wall. And I know, this sounds great, That's what
it did. And to make it even crazier, the spot
it chose to step through the wall was exactly where
there was a slight gap between the curtains and the

(57:11):
window frame. The impression that I got was that it
was somehow slightly easier walked through the wall. At that point,
I didn't know. That was just impression I got. I
don't know anything about that, That's just what I got.
And at that point I also realized that this silhouette
was two dimensional because of the tiny, thin gap it

(57:32):
stepped through. And to say I was shocked, is a
total understatement. I was waving arms and I wanted to
shout out, but you know, I didn't want to wake
my wife up, and I kind of contemplated doing that,
but so I thought I probably shouldn't. You know, when
you wake your wife up, saying oh, there was an
alien in the room can sound crazy, and that's what

(57:55):
she was telling me. I was. So I hop back
in the bed, and after some time, I eventually I asleep.
The next night, the very next night, the same sequence
of events happened. My daughter Sturge gave a little cry.
Normally I let her said all, but this time I didn't.
I got straight up and without any question. I didn't

(58:17):
even think about the night before, even though it had
completely been dominating my thoughts and it was all I
could think about. But I didn't think, oh, the same
thing's happening again. I just didn't think at all in
some kind of days or something. So I did the
same thing. I walked out, opened the door. I checked
on her, and I could see her sleeping. I could

(58:38):
see her face was lit, even though the room should
have been pitch dark. I didn't question it. I just didn't,
and I turned and faced down the hallway towards my
bedroom and standing in the hallway not more than a
meter away from me, but it was against the wall,
almost against the wall. It wasn't blocking me, but it

(58:58):
was definitely there was the same green entity from the
night before, and I guess it sort of must have thought, Okay,
we'll meet in the hallway where my wife isn't going
to wake up and see this thing. And I felt
it was giving me another chance. But I stupidly and regrettably,

(59:19):
and I really wish I didn't, but I did. I
totally stuffed it up. I ruined it. I wasted my chance,
and it was too much. It was just too much
for me. I really wish I hadn't have done that,
and I always wonder what might have happened if I
had been braver, but I wasn't. I couldn't cope. So
I put my hand up to my face, like a

(59:40):
blinker on a horse, and I just looked straight ahead
down the hallway and I walked past it, saying over
and over on my head, I can't see you, you're
not here. I can't see you, You're not here. And
I repeated that until I got back into bed, and
I sort of pulled the cover up over my head
and just kept repeating that, and strangely, even though I

(01:00:03):
was scared, I fell asleep really quickly. And at this
point I got what I think was a gift from
this entity, And I mean I asked for answers, and
it gave me an opportunity to get answers, but I
blew it, so I guess it left me with a

(01:00:24):
consolation prize. And as soon as I went to sleep,
I had this dream and it was hyper real and
it was really continuous in the timeline. It wasn't disjointed
like a normal dream is, and it was very, very long,
far longer than what it seemed like my night was
way longer, and it felt real, like I really feel
like it happened that I experienced it, except it happened

(01:00:45):
in the future. That's that's all I could say. And
in this experience, I lived as a like a thirteen
or a fourteen year old boy, and I was looking
after my nine or ten year old sister and we
were lost or abandon or left behind and trying to
survive in this endless eckra structure of some kind, and

(01:01:07):
there was nobody there, and we just wandered through it,
and after quite a while actually came across another woman
and I could see her in the distance and she
didn't see me, and my thought was, I'm going to
try to rob her to survive, not with any malice,
but to survive. And she was able to resist my

(01:01:29):
attempts to capture her, and she captured me, and I
thought she was going to kill me for sure, but
she was actually said why would you do that? And
I tried to explain this nothing personal, I just want
to survive. And she helped me and my sister, and
she was like a tourist or a traveler or something,

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and she was exploring this huge, abandoned place and she
invited us to travel with her, and we were going
to die there. We had no other options. So we
went and we traveled through this totally immense and completely
deserted technological structure of some kind. And on that journey

(01:02:14):
we learned that the reason she had come to be
where she is and finding us was that she was dying,
and she came here to die and were able to
actually be there with her as she died, and we
experienced the whole event of her death in a really
dignified in a really deeply moralistic way. It was really

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very moralistic, heavy on the morals, and the whole experience
was really stark, and there was all these values and
lessons all the way through it. And when I woke,
I had the feeling of returning from a journey and
I've never had that with a dream before, and I
somehow knew that this experience was connected with the entity

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from the night before. It felt like a gi of
morality and a consolation prize for not being able to
handle having my questions answered.

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If you dare a crazy storm with some missing time
and this is a few years later, and I was
working on some large equipment at this facility out in
the country, and the tools we used for this job

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were so big they wouldn't fit in a normal ut
or a pickup, so we were using a medium sized
truck and I was driving, and I had a teammate
with me who rode the cab, and we left the
job site at five o'clock. At this place, you had
to be out because that's when they locked the gates.
And we didn't finish the job. We just worked as

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lad as we could and we got out and it
was winter, so it got dark early and the weather
was terrible, windy and rainy, and we had to drive
probably about two hours through the country and we sort
of finished it with a climb and a descent over

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some a mountain range, and about five minutes into the drive,
the weather got heaps worse. So it was already not great,
but it got really bad, and the wind was coming
across the road from my right and it was really
blowing hard, and the rain was becoming intensive. Wipers are
on high, but they weren't doing a lot at all,

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and the visibility was probably down to about thirty meters
and it was bad. The next one possible to drive,
and we were in on a straight, open stretch of road.
There was no shelter at all, and I was crawling
along no more than ten k's an hour and just
visible head maybe thirty thirty five minutes ahead of me,

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I could see the tail lights of another truck and
the wind picked up to crazy like a cyclone, and
there was branches and rocks and stuff flying across the
road in the headlights, and I was slamming into the
side of the truck and it was making a hell
of a sound, and the sound of the wind was
a roar, and I could see the lights of the

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tailights of this truck in front of me start to
tip like it was going to tip over, but it
sort of came back down onto the road and it
gave me a bit of a warning about the oncoming wind,
and I was able to sort of steer into it
in a way to stop the truck from tipping over
onto its side. And my eyes were sort of fixed
on these red lights ahead and I was fighting to

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keep the truck up right, and my workmate yelled over
all of this raw and stuff. He said, do you
think we're going to make it, and his tone it
was more like he said, are we going to die?
And I kind of grabbed a quick look at him,
and he was pressed into the corner of the cab
like a spider, and his eyes were huge, and he
looked scared. And this is a big, tough guy. He's

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bigger and tough than me, that's for sure, this guy,
and he just looked terrified. This was scary. And all
I could say as I was fighting the wheel the
control of this truck was as long as we stay
and the cab will be fine. But what I meant
by that was when the truck tips, because I thought
it was I thought it was going to tip, for sure.
And the truck tips, even if a windshiel breaks, the
bottom of the truck should protect us from all the

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stuff flying across the road. And pretty much as I
said that, everything went calm. The wind died down to
practically nothing, the rain stopped. Everything was nice and calm,
and in the space of a few seconds, it was over.
And I trept along and I kind of dodged around
the rocks and the branches on the road, and that
sort of cleared up, and I picked up speed and

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everything was normal, and I got off the highway speed
and the other normal drive the rest of the way home,
and we kind of disgusted at the time and thought
it might have been like a little tornado or something.
And I never saw the tail lights of the truck again.
I just thought it took off a head faster than
me in was out of sight. And we got back

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to the workshop and I looked at the side of
the truck, and I was thinking it was going to
be damage for sure, but there was nothing, not even
a scratched and I was pretty glad of that. And
I didn't have to fill out any paperwork, and so
we clocked off at five minutes past seven at night
and went home the next day. We finished our work

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right up till the last minute. We got everything packed
up in the truck and you sort of waved the guards.
I locked the gate behind us, and we were glad.
It was a clear night. There was light winds, no
sign a rain, and we drove home normally. But about
half an hour into the drive, in the middle of
where I noticed out my driver's side window to red

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lights and they were low down and they were keeping
perfect pace with this. I was doing one hundred k's now,
and I thought, if I thought it was the wing
lights of a small aircraft, that's what it looked like.
And I thought, this thing's going to crash because there
are trees everywhere, and this thing couldn't have been far
above the tree top level. There were no landing lights

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or anything like that, no flashing lights, just two red,
continuous lights that looked like they might have been from
a light aircraft. And the pace it kept with us
was so spot on. It was so perfect that you know,
if you had it drawn a circle around them, a
small circle, they would have stayed within that circle. It
was impressive, and I thought it might have maybe it's

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a light in the cab off something and I just
don't can't see what it's reflecting off. So I wound
the window down and it was still there. It was outside,
and that got the attention of my workmate and I said,
look out there, do you think that is? And he
just said, if that's a plane, it's about to eat trap.
And when the window up and we watched it with

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us for about another half an hour before we lost
it in the thicker tree cover. As we started to
rise up the side of this mountain and around a
corner it was one of the sharper corners that started
to go up up this mountain. Something I don't know
what it was. There was three really bright lights in
the shape of a small triangle, maybe about a meter

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on each edge, passed us on the opposite side of
the road. But the speed of this thing, my guess,
was like three hundred ks now, just it was like
a bullet and it roared. It made this huge raw sound,
and it gave me a huge fright and I really
felt like a big adrenaline dump in my colleague, big

(01:10:52):
tough guy, he screamed, and finally, you know, he screamed.
It was hilarious, but anyway, and he said, oh second,
then I thought we were going to get adal probed,
and that kind of made us laugh. And something wasn't right.
I just didn't I couldn't put my finger on it.
And the rest of the drivers normal, and we got

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back into town and I commented to my work colleague
at the power must have been out, because all the
shops were dark. And we got back to the workshop
and I was about to clock off and I saw
the clock card machine read nine o five pm. I
was expecting seven o five like the night before, because

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we did the same trip. And I said to my colleague,
on the clock card must be broken because it says
nine to five. He went and checked the clock in
the office and he said, oh, that clock says nine
oh five as well. And I said, well, we can't
clock off now because I think we've been at a
pub and we're trying to get paid for it, and
he he agreed, so he just wrote our time on

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the clock card at seven o five. I asked, how
could it have taken two hours? Was longer than the
night before, and he just said not to worry about it.
But in my opinion, the red lights that were pacing
us were the same ones in the front of the
truck during the storm the night before. I can't explain
how we lost two hours on the journey. The trip

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seemed continuous. However it happened. It was super well done.
Now for us to have missing time, I have no
idea what part of the journey that occurred in but
we did. We lost two hours, and however that happened,
it was so well done because they would have you know,
you can't just stop a truck at highway speeds. Anyway,
that happened. I moved house not long after this, and

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I separated from my wife and the kids, and I
moved into a much bigger and larger and nicer house.
It had had a really large balcony and had an
elevated view, and it looked out over the town and
had this beautiful panoramic view of the mountains. It was
really spectacular, an amazing view. And from this vantage went

(01:13:00):
on the balcony, we all saw a lot of UFOs
or UAPs or whatever you call them now. And interestingly,
there was one hill that we could see from this
balcony that seemed to have a concentration of this phenomena.
And I mean I saw a lot of stuff in

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all parts of the sky, but this one hill had
seemed to have more stuff happened than the rest of it.
And a weird thing that my eldest son and I
saw were watching a thunderstorm, which looked awesome over the
mountains from where we were, and we saw this hill
get struck by lighting and that was cool, and then
it was struck again, and my son said that that

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lightning just struck in the same spot. It looked like
I did and so we're watching and again and again
and again six times. I think in about two minutes
it struck in I'm guessing the exact same spot. And
that was strange. I never I've never seen that before.
And Near's eve, just after midnight, we'd watched some fireworks

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and things and six other guests and myself, and we
saw six golden star like lights slowly lift off from
this particular hillside. I could see them light up in
the forest and then lift off into the sky, and
I was thinking, man, these whoever's got these fireworks, really

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they must have really gone all out, because this is brilliant.
And we watched, over the space of maybe ten minutes,
six of these lights lift up into the sky and
move in a line and form perfectly straight line, probably
one hundred meters off the ground each probably one hundred
and fifty meters apart, and so quite a long line.

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And they stayed there for quite a few minutes, and
we're trying to figure out are they Chinese lanterns or
what could they be? But there's no possible way that
they could move in the way they were moving, stay
so still and formed such a perfect line. And then
simultaneously all together. They moved off in this particular direction.
And I want to point out that this particular hill,

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it's in a water catchment area and it's off limits
to people, so it's you. There's nothing in there. Maybe
a fire trail, but there's no roads or no access,
so I don't know. Anyway, these lights moved off in
this particular direction were all blown away, totally blown away.
And a week or so later, I ran into a
friend in town who was at a new 's Eve party,

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and these lights moved off in the particular direction where
my friend was at this party on a mountaintop and
you could see you could see Melbourne from this mountaintop,
and these lights moved off in that direction. And the
first thing she said to me was, oh, you know,
we saw UFOs. And she went on to describe seeing
these six golden lights. And my guess is that the

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direction and the speed they were traveling, and the time
that she saw them, it was about fifteen minutes after
I saw them, matched. I'm pretty sure she saw what
I saw, and so these things would have traveled a
fair way. And anyway, it's nice to have a backup
observation by an independent person to make me feel a
little bit validated. So you know, a friend of mine

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and his three daughters, me and my kids were all
sitting on the balcony having a nice dinner out there
as nice summer's evening. The sun had gone down, beautiful,
and I figured out by this point, after seeing a
lot of stuff, that just talking about UAPs can sometimes
be enough to get them to show up. And I

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thought i'd try to entertain my dinner guests, and I
asked if any of them had seen a UFO, and
they all said no, and I explained that I had
seen them, and my kids have seen them, and I've
seen many, and I told them that also just talking
about them can cause them to appear, and I could
see a couple of eyebrows go up. It's fair enough

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sound a bit crazy. So I said that if any
of us wanted to see one, we could go and
stand on the edge of the balcony and wait for
a few minutes and to see if something happens. And
I also said that if anyone was scared or didn't
want to see one, even if they didn't say so,
the chance of seeing one was much lower. And so

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I said, if there's anybody that's scared or doesn't want
to see the UFO, you can go inside and hang
out and we'll come and get you later. But if
you do want to see one and you're open to it,
you can step to the edge of the balcony and
we'll see what we can see. So we all lined up,
all of us lined up at the edge of the balcony,
and we're looking out over the town and the mountains.

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And a minute later, a bright light appeared over the
mountains and we all noticed it as it was pretty bright,
and we were trying to discuss what it could have been.
And you know, is it the oncoming landing lights of
a passenger plane or something like that, you know, is
it a satellite? Is this or that? And it began

(01:18:06):
moving towards us, and it came down below the mountains,
so which put a limit on its distance. And with
less than a minute, it was pretty much coming right
at us, and that would have been about maybe twenty
kilometers and it passed down over the mountains and over
the town and it was coming straight forward us and
my guests they were all amazed, and you know, ooh

(01:18:28):
and ah and wow, and what nights And an important
thing that the father said at that time. He said,
that's the brightest thing I've seen in the sky except
the sun. And by this time the light passed directly
over the house, and we all rushed through the house
and out the front door, expecting to see it. That

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there was no trace, so we headed back inside. We'll
sit down, and we talked about it excitedly for the
rest of the evening, and it was really entertaining. And
a few days later I ran in to this guy
down in the town and he thanked me for a
nice dinner and a nice evening, and I said, I'm
glad you enjoyed it, including the light show, And he

(01:19:09):
said what light show? And I reminded him of what
had happened, and he said, oh no, you must have
me confused with somebody else. He couldn't remember it at all,
and he insisted I must have confused him with somebody else.
And I reminded him of what he said, that is
the brightest thing I've seen in this guy except for

(01:19:29):
the sun. And his reply was, I would have remembered
saying something like that. You must have me confused with
somebody else. And the interesting thing about that was that
many years later, that man daughter who was there that night,
ended up dating my son, and we were discussing this
whole phenomena and how people can forget incredible experiences. And

(01:19:52):
I told her the story about how her father couldn't
remember seeing that light that he saw at our place
only a couple of days. And I told her that
that story, and she put her hand over her mouth
and was saying, oh my god, I forgot all about
that until just now. That was amazing. How could I
forget something like that? I remember it now you've said it.

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How could I have forgotten something like that? And she
experienced the same thing we all when she was prompted
she could remember. The father couldn't at all. But I
felt a little bit validated that she could remember it
even though she had forgotten completely about it. And she
was quite shocked that she could forget something as incredible
as that. So, you know, about the same time, same balcony,

(01:20:36):
different guests, and on this night, over dinner, and we're
watching a summer storm blow in and they look great
coming in over the mountains, getting towards sunset, and we're
watching the lightning over the mountains and the sun had
gone down by this point, and I was explaining that
just talking about UFOs can sometimes be enough to cause

(01:20:56):
them to appear. And sure enough, ten minutes later, maybe
low in the sky, pretty much in the same area
that a lot of this weird stuff was happening, appeared
two orange lights and they were stroving on and off
in a really quick but random way. And I pointed
them out and I said that those are good candidates

(01:21:18):
for UFOs. And they took one look and one of
the guests, and this guy is a Cambridge educated university lecturer.
He is seriously well educated and smart, rational, skeptical person
and very very intelligent, and he took a look at it,
and his explanation was bizarre. He said, it's not a UFO.

(01:21:42):
It's the light from Venus. It's been split and refracted
by the thunderstorm, and the pulsing is from clouds passing
rapidly by, and that was all he wanted to do
with it. And it was really confusing him because it
was not like him to be like that, and you know,
being so dismissive of anything that unusual. And I thought,

(01:22:03):
if it was exactly what he said it was, he
should have been fascinated in such an amazing optical illusion
from the planet Veness, but he didn't even want to
look at it, and he didn't even want to look
off the balcony at the thunderstorm, which was the whole
reason we're out there in the first place. And they
stayed in the guest room for the night, and in

(01:22:24):
the morning at breakfast, out of curiosity, I asked him
and about it, and he didn't remember. He had no
recollection of the lights or his explanation. He remembered dinner
and a thunderstorm. But I was seeing the lights. And
so at this point I started keeping a camera as
close to hand as I could. Thought, no amount of

(01:22:46):
people seeing anything, what's the point if they don't remember.
And you know, I'm sick of sounding crazy. So I
started keeping a camera with me as much as I could,
and a nice high performance digital camera at the time,
a broad iso sensitivity and a long lens, very fast lens,
and I had image stabilization, and it was definitely the

(01:23:09):
camera for the job. And I was on that deck constantly,
constantly looking everywhere for these things. But it seemed, for
whatever reason, it just didn't want to be photographed, and
I would see things when I didn't have my camera,
I'd rush to get the camera and then be gone.

(01:23:29):
And finally one morning I'll get up before work and
have a look. That's how much time I was putting
into trying to get a photo of these things. And
it was just before sunrise, the bit of blue in
the sky, but the sun hadn't peaked the mountains and
camera in the hand, and I there was one and

(01:23:50):
finally and there was a bright orange disc that was
high up in the sky. Again, it was over the
same kind of hill that most of this stuff was
have for whatever reason, and I picked it up in
the viewfinder and just held the shut it down and
just burst off as many photos as I could, and
we got about ten seconds of continuous photos and you

(01:24:13):
could see it clearly in the viewfinder, and it was
a disc, and it tilted from horizontal to about forty
five degree angle and then just faded quickly away in
a second or two. And I only had it for
about ten seconds, but I got a bunch of photos.
So I uploaded the images and I was really very
happy to see, Ah, finally I've got some evidence here.

(01:24:35):
It was a metallic disc. It looked like it was
surrounded with orange fire, with a bit less fire down
a ridge in the center of it, and it was
pretty spectacular, and I showed my girlfriend at the time
and we both thought it was impressive. And so later
that night I got from work and I was thinking
about this all day and finally I won't be crazy,

(01:24:57):
and I opened up the images to make some adjustments,
but they looked different. You could still see the orange fire,
but the metallic disc behind it was gone. And I
asked my girlfriend, have you done anything to these? And
she said no, And she said she didn't even know
how to use the software or the computer, and which

(01:25:20):
is fair enough to you. You know she is she
was not a technologically minded person at all. I believed it,
and I don't even think I would have had the
capability to remove the metallic disc from from that image
with the software I had either. So I went to
re upload them from the from the card but on
the camera, but they were gone, and that struck me

(01:25:43):
as weird, and I asked her, have you touched my cameras?
Like I don't even know how to turn it on,
And the rest of the image were there, so it
wasn't like I had accidentally formed out of the card,
and I would have thought I would remember the leading
these images, and I wouldn't have thought I would have
done that keep them on the card as well as
on the computer. But they were gone. And within a

(01:26:03):
few days these images that were on the computer also disappeared.
I used the time machine function but was not able
to find them again, and I lost them. I was
really upset about that. So anyway, I think it was
a Saturday morning. I hopped out of bed. Normally a
beautiful view of the mountains from my bedroom window. I
like to look at the mountains as I get out

(01:26:25):
of bed and turned around, and I saw a few
flecks of blood on my pillow and my bed, and
it was dry blood. And when I say dry blood,
what I mean is blood that had dried then fallen
onto my pillow on bed, not blood that had fell
there then dried. And there's a distinct difference. And my
thoughts were, I must have had a small nose bleach

(01:26:46):
in the night. It dried on my face and then
flaked off. And not that I've ever had a nose
bleed in the night before, but that's what I thought.
So I walked into the en suite, and I looked
in the mirror and pretty much freaked myself out because
my whole face was neared with blood and it was
especially caked into my mustache and beard, and it was
really quickly caked on there. It was down my neck

(01:27:10):
and over my chest and down to my pubic area
and onto my legs and feet. It was just a
huge amount of what I thought was my own blood,
and it freaked me out. And I was trying to
wash my face in the basin, and I was really
shocked and horrified by how much blood was washing off me.
And I actually remember saying at the time, Jesus, it

(01:27:31):
was a lot of blood. And I couldn't believe how
much blood it was. And so I showered and washed
it all off. It was terrible, and I was thinking, oh, man,
my bed's going to be ruined. And I got out
of the shower, I dried off, and I looked at
my bed and my bedding, but there was just a
few flecks of dried blood. And you know, with that
much blood on my body, the bed sheets should have

(01:27:54):
been covered that they weren't. And the only conclusion that
I could come to was that I wasn't in bed.
When the blood was wet, it dried on me at
some point before I got back into bed. It looked
like the blood had come from my nose, but my
nose was normal, looked normal, didn't hurt. I have no
memory of being out of bed. I'm not a sleepwalker.

(01:28:16):
I've never slept walked that I know I've nobody's ever
said I've ever slept walk I certainly I know I
didn't have blood on me like that before I got
into bed. I mean, that would be a bit hard
to miss. I couldn't find any blood anywhere else in
the house or anywhere, and given the amount of blood
on my feet, I should have left bloody footprints somewhere.

(01:28:36):
There weren't any. And the any thing I can kind
of put together is that I was covered in what
I'm assuming is my blood from my nose. I don't
know how it got there. I can say that I
wasn't in my bed at the time, and I was
out of bed long enough for it to dry. I
don't know how long it takes, but you know, I

(01:28:57):
was out of bed long enough for it to dry.
I didn't find any blood anywhere else in the house
or around the house. I have no idea where I
was when the blood was wet, but yeah, that happened
scared me. And in this house there was a really
big area downstairs. It was huge. My kids and I
often felt I guess you'd call it a negative presence

(01:29:18):
down there. And I remember one of my daughters mentioning that,
as you're about to go back up the stairs, it
feels like something's about to jump on you. And I
really relate to that. I remember thinking, oh, man, you
feel that too. I didn't say anything. You didn't want
to freaky kids out, and that's pretty much what I got.
I had a foster daughter and she insisted on making

(01:29:40):
that whole downstairs part of her house her huge bedroom,
and I guess pretty great for her, but not for me. Anyway.
She'd broken up with a boyfriend and she was feeling
upset about that, as you do. And that night, maybe
ten o'clock at night, I was in my bedroom upstairs
and I could hear a lot of noise coming from

(01:30:01):
downstairs from where she was, and I just thought, Oh,
she's really cracking it. She must have messaged her boyfriend
or something, and she's having a tantrum. And I could
hear stomping around and slamming doors and you know, chucking
her stuff around and generally getting out all her bad
feelings off her breakup, which is what I thought. And

(01:30:25):
I remember thinking, you know, she's going to be even
more upset when I tell her to go clean it
all up. But about that time, she texted me from
downstairs and said, I don't feel safe right now. So
that's pretty alarming. I rushed downstairs and she was in bed.
She looked upset, but the room looked neat and tidy,

(01:30:46):
and she always kept a clean room, and it looked
like it always did. I kind of brushed that to
the side, because you know, she's telling me that she
didn't feel safe, so you know that's the priority. So
she came upstairs and we talked about and she was feeling,
and she said she felt much better, and she slept
on the couch that night. And years later, when I

(01:31:08):
was discussing that incident, she told me that she couldn't
hear anything. She didn't hear any stomping or door slamming
or anything. She just had an intense feeling of not
being safe down there in that room. From my perspective,
the sounds that I heard were definitely coming from downstairs,
you know, disembodied sounds. I don't know what that was.

(01:31:28):
And we moved out of there because she was reporting
seeing from time to time some monster like creature, and
my eldest son told me that he was seeing monsters
in his bedroom, so we moved.

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Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
So removed heus not far, but the totally different experience there.
And I don't know if if something from that house
came with us or this house was haunted as well,
but the experience here was different in this house. And
this house had no view at all. That had a

(01:33:16):
nice deck, but at that they looked into a nice
garden the park across the road, but not no view
of the mountains, and you see a few peaks of
the mountains over the trees. So the UAP sighting count
took an absolute nose dive, but the high strangeness went
totally off the charts. There seemed to be a part

(01:33:38):
of the place that we were in that sort of
a center for all of this weird stuff. It wasn't inside,
it was actually outside. It was a retaining wall the
back of the corner of the house. It wasn't necessarily
limited to that area, but a lot of it seemed
to be around that area. And what we could often
hear in that area was disembodied foot steps. We all

(01:34:01):
could hear some heavy crunching footsteps on the gravel at
that retaining wall, but nobody there, and I'd heard it
a few times. I hadn't mentioned it, but my kids
started mentioning it, and it got to the point where
I actually replaced the gravel with grass to try to
stop it. It did lessen the amount of times you

(01:34:25):
heard the footsteps, but strangely, you could still hear the
gravel crunching sound even though there was grass there. My
oldest son was washing the car and he told me
that he heard someone or something say a single hello
to him that appeared to emanate from that corner, and
it scared him because he said it was very loud

(01:34:46):
and booming, and it was louder than a person could talk.
And he also said that he thought it wasn't a
person because it sounded like a robot's voice. I was
pretty much on the I was inside, but on the
other side of the wall, not far from him, and
he thought I might have heard it because of how
loud it was, but I didn't. And we regularly received

(01:35:10):
these really weird, unnerving phone calls. We all had mobiles,
but I kept a landline own for emergencies. It would
ring and you would answer it in a usual way, Hello.
There'd be a pause with the sound of something that
could have been cooling fans from computers, several strange mechanical clicks,

(01:35:31):
then an artificially generated female sounding voice, like a synthesized
voice that said in a sinister tone, goodbye, and then
the call would hang up. All of us had received
that call at one time or another. It was sinister,
it did not the vibe was bad. If you could

(01:35:52):
get that from a phone call. I must have had
that call at least ten times, and we ended up
just no longer answering the phone if it rang, you know,
if it was anybody, that was anybody that could call
home mobiles. So we'd spend a lot of time on
the deck, pleasant climate, nice deck, and leading off the
deck into the garden there was a path and at

(01:36:13):
night that was lit with a sense of light, and
you know the kind of light where you as you
walk in front of it, it turns on within the
range of a sensor. And this sensor light would turn
on with nobody there to trigger it. And that's not
super strange really. But was strange was you would be

(01:36:35):
sitting on the deck having dinner and conversation and the
light wouldn't be turning on at all. Yet if someone
would mention the light that turns on by itself, within
a minute or so, it would come on, not all
the time, but often more often than not. And it
was a bit of a bit of a thing. And

(01:36:55):
I used to offer this as evidence of the paranormal
with dinner guests, that when it came up in conversation,
I would tell them that talking about the sense of
light would often be enough to corn it to make
it turn on, and it often did, and this would
freak some of my guests out. I remember one woman
saying nope, and she got left. Never saw it again.

(01:37:18):
In that house, I had what I think might have
been a failed abduction attempt. I was asleep in bed
and this weird not male, not female voice. I would say,
it's familiar, but I don't know why, and it said
in my head, wake up, and I did. Then it

(01:37:40):
said there's someone in the front yard. You need to
go and see who it is. Then it said not forget.
And I didn't question this or think about it. In
any way. And normally, you know this is something that's
going to be a bit out there and you would
take notice. But I didn't. I just followed the instructions.

(01:38:01):
I sat up in bed and I said stand up,
almost like it was talking to me, like I was
a little kid. It was weird. I stood up on
the floor. I was aware, but not questioning at all.
I was just cooperating, and my chin was on my
chest like I don't know. I just wasn't lifting my

(01:38:22):
head at all. I was like I was sleeping, but
I awake. It was weird. And then it said, out
you go, and I knew that to be instructions to
leave the house. I don't know why, but that's what
I knew the instruction was. So I walked out of
the bedroom and I got to the front door and
I opened it and I took a step through, and

(01:38:42):
the air, the cold air from the winter's night, kind
of they hit me and sort of just gave me
a little bit of a little bit of a thought
in my head, and I thought, this is weird. I
don't go outside at night, and that was just a thought.
I became a little bit more alert, and then I

(01:39:03):
became much more alert with the shock of realizing, you know,
and I thought to myself, I especially don't go outside
when someone's in the front yard, and that got me
fully awake and weird. I stepped back inside, thinking this
is so weird, you know, why would I do that?
And I got back into bed and eventually fell back

(01:39:26):
to sleep. You know, I'm not a sleepwalker. I don't
do that. And why that happened, I don't know. It
wasn't long after that my foster daughter had a boyfriend
stayed at night and he was sleeping on the couch
and early in the morning, it was about five forty
five when I got up for work. I was leaving
for work and I passed the lounge room and I

(01:39:49):
could see him. He was sitting up and his shirtless,
had a blanket covering his waist, and it was like
he had a blank look on his face. He was
staring at the TV. It was turned off. And my
thought was that I must have woke him while I
was getting up and leaving for work, and I apologized
for waking him up, and he turned and looked at
me in a sort of dazed way, and he muttered

(01:40:11):
something I couldn't understand what it was. So I said,
you're still asleep, mate, just went back down and go
to bed. He kind of nodded and made back down,
And as I drove off to work, I thought, you know,
how quaint and funny that little exchange was, Like he
was a little kid, like I was talking to my
little kids when they were little. And a couple of

(01:40:33):
hours later, I got a text from him and it
just said very funny, and I replied, what's funny? And
he replied, very funny? What have you done with my clothes?
And how the hell did you get my piercings out?
He had a bunch of facial piercings. And I had
no idea what he was talking about, And so I

(01:40:54):
spoke to him later and I told him that, yeah,
I left the house, so I saw you. You know,
do you remember me, I'm leaving for work and telling
you to lie back down? And he said no, no,
And he said, look, I went to bed with my
clothes on, but I woke up naked and my piercings

(01:41:15):
were gone. And what he thought was that I'd played
some kind of joke on him and hiding his clothes,
And he was impressed that I didn't wake him up,
getting him undressed, and he was totally amazed that I
was able to get his piercings out, because even he
found that difficult. And we're talking a nose and a
tongue and an eyebrow and ear piercings. So anyway, he

(01:41:38):
had searched the house and he texted me when he
couldn't find his clothes. I didn't take his clothes. That's
I'm not going to do something like that. I have
no idea how to remove his piercings, and I don't
even want to touch them. I seriously doubt even if
I tried it, that I would have the skill to
get somebody's clothes off as they slept without waking them.

(01:42:00):
We both looked and we never found his clothes or
his piercings. Ever, and after that, this whatever is going
on seemed to be interested in him as well, and
he had a bunch of stuff. An example, he was
telling me that he was at his house and he
had a feeling that he should go outside, sit on

(01:42:22):
his back step, pull his phone over his head, not
looking at his phone, hold his phone over his head,
and take photos of the night sky, just randomly and
one of the photos and he showed me sent it
to me had a black triangle in it with three
lights on the corners, and I've never seen a black triangle.
And I was a bit miffed because he's accidentally taken

(01:42:45):
photo of a UAP with his phone. Was better than
anything I've ever captured with my really expensive camera and
I've been lugging it around for years. He just goes
outside in ten seconds and gets a great shot. So
in his house there was two forms, a black and
a white form. And would see them from time to time,

(01:43:08):
and I often passed by the window overlooking the deck
sometimes a white whispy form and it kind of looked
like a piece of cheesecloth. It would flash past the
window and I never mentioned it. It's not something you mentioned.
And it wasn't until I was sitting on the couch
with my youngest daughter and were watching TV and I
saw the white wispy form flash by the window and

(01:43:31):
I didn't say anything, and she said did you see that?
And I just yeah, it's a sinking feeling. And I
said you saw that? What did you see? And she
described exactly what I saw and she and I said,
what else? Have you seen? And she told me that
she have you seen the black one?

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
She told me that she sometimes saw the black shape
as a tall, black shadow of a man with a
hat on. Saw that. And one day she had a
few of her friends over and she was telling them
about what she'd seen, because they were in that room.
She was telling them, sometimes, I've seen this thing. And
they were laughed at her, and they were giving her

(01:44:12):
a bit of a hard time. And my daughter said, Dad,
can you please tell them you know what I'm saying
is real? And I said, look, she's telling them the truth.
I've seen it. I've seen near the black and the
white one. And they just thought that I was trying
to wind them up and have a bit of a
story or entertain them or something. They just didn't believe us.
And maybe fifteen minutes later, I was in another room

(01:44:37):
and they all screamed and I shot in there to
see what was going on, and they were run up
to me and oh, we saw it. We saw the
black shadow man. It was outside the window. We saw it.
We saw it, and they were breaked out. And of
course I remember my daughter looking at me with a
bit of a smirk, like, ah, vindication, but yes, so, yeah,
they believed her after that. Yeah. One night, my oldest

(01:45:00):
son and my older step son were sitting on the deck.
We're chatting after dinner, and my oldest daughter called my
phone from her phone, even though she was only in
her bedroom, but she called me on the phone. And
her bedroom was on the corner of the house nearest
this weird, haunted retaining wall. And she was crying and

(01:45:22):
she said, Dad, something's outside my window and scaring me.
I said, I'll be right there, and I told her
and I hung up the phone. I looked at my
boys and I said, something's outside my daughter's window. And
we all sprang up and ran around the house. And
you know, I thought it was an intruder, and I'm
guessing my boys did too. One went one way and

(01:45:43):
my other son and me went another. So we rounded
the house quick converged on the window. It wouldn't have
been more than a few seconds, but there was nothing there,
and so we asking my daughter. She said it was
the black mass that we've been seen, that it was
pressed up against her window, and it was making a
squeaking sound like when you rub your hands over clean glass,

(01:46:05):
like it was trying to get inside. It really scared
her and that was you know, that was enough for me.
She said. It was at her window until the instant
that we got around the corner, and it instantly vanished.
I'd started seeing new lady at this time romantically and
up front. I told her, no, you can't be dishonest

(01:46:27):
about these things, and I told her that if we
see each other it might affect her. Also. I don't
think she believed me at first, but I think, you know,
I mean, she wanted to see me. So we continued
to see each other. But it did end up affecting her,
but in a different way, like a trickster kind of way.
And it wasn't long after started seeing each other. She

(01:46:51):
moved into a brand new apartment. She was it was
nearly built. She was the first occupant. There had never
been anything there before apartment was built, except for a cowpack.
It started after she saw her first uap She'd never
seen one before, and I did say, if you with me,
you might see one. She had never seen mine, and

(01:47:12):
she wanted to so I did what we do, and
I think she wanted to believe me. So I said,
if we just go outside and look up we might
see something. And this was just on sunset. We went
onto her back deck and looked out into her the
sky as it wasn't fully night, but it was getting dark.
I was pointing out to her how to tell the
difference between different lights in the sky, you know, satellites

(01:47:34):
and planes and the like. And a passenger plane passed
overhead and it was heading towards the international airport. She
pointed it out, and I described how the lights and
the motion define it as a conventional aircraft. And so
I looked at that. We looked at that, and I
just ducked inside the door to fill my glass, and

(01:47:54):
like just inside the door, no more than fifteen seconds
at the most. And when I came back at she said,
I just saw one. It was right behind that plane.
I wanted to call out to you, but I couldn't.
All I could do was look at it. I think
it mesmerized me or something. She used the word mesmerized,
and she described and she saw a bright light that
appeared behind the plane and it moved whizzed about kind

(01:48:16):
of she described it like it was playing with the plane,
like the way a cat plays with a mouse. This
was sort of before the time of drones, really, and
it moved in a way that conventional aircraft cants. And
after that, we had this trickster poltergeist in her house.
I don't I don't know if that was a trigger
or what, but this trickster poltergeist started to manifest. And

(01:48:37):
if we were both in a room together, if she
left the room and I remained in there, as she
came back to the room, it would slam the door
in her face. Just as she got up to the door,
bank slam it in her face. And she felt it
was an attack on her personally, telling her to stay
away from me in it. I have to admit it
did kind of look like that. And on there was

(01:48:59):
two times where I was in her kitchen saying goodbye,
and she'd walk me to the door, say goodbye. I
closed the door and then returned to the kitchen. Wouldn't
be more than twenty seconds, and she had in her
she had two kitchen sinks, and they had these cafe
style sink plugs, and they'd be pulled from their place
in the plug holes, dismantled into six or eight parts,

(01:49:24):
and then balanced in a line on the dish draining
rack and as soon she touched and they all fell off,
and it was a very delicate balance. And this happened
in the space of twenty seconds, and she didn't know
how to put the plugs back together. She actually she
was embarrassed and had to ask my help to do it.
So we tried to replicate balancing these things on this dishrack,

(01:49:46):
but I couldn't even balance one of them, lit alone
all of them, and in the dishrack the y was
just too fine and the parts were just it was impossible.
And this happened one other time in the same fashion,
and I after it take a fat over. The next
time it happened, but it never happened again. By this time,
she was seeing and feeling the effect of high strangeness,

(01:50:07):
and she'd never experienced anything like that, and the newness
of the experience was she wasn't enjoying it. It was
a negative experience for her. She asked me to save
her apartment, and I did not that I've ever done
that before. I just did what I thought I needed
to do. It did stop the door slamming in her face,
but it transformed into not every time, but often when

(01:50:32):
she would leave the bedroom while I laid in bed,
there would be an unseen hand or force or something.
It would yank the end of the blankets at the
foot of bed, not enough to pull them off the bed,
but enough to let me know it wasn't going to
bother my girlfriend anymore, but it was still there. Was
how I took that anyway. What I learned from this

(01:50:52):
was that even in a brand new house where house
has never been before, it can still be haunted. So
she moved house after that, and it was New Ye's
Eve at her new house, and we were outside looking
for UAPs just after midnight, and this is a good
time to stop them, in my opinion, but we didn't
see any. The next day, my sister texted me and

(01:51:13):
she said she saw one only a few minutes after
I'd gone back inside the house, and she described it
as a shimmering red light moving across the sky from
the same location as my girlfriend's house. And I was
disappointed because it was really only if I had stayed
out a few more minutes I think I would have
seen it. I just missed it. So the next New

(01:51:34):
Year's Eve, I looked again, but I didn't see any
UAPs at all. And two days later, I went to
visit my parents, and when they entered the door, the
first thing they said before even hello, was we saw
a ufo, and they said it scared them. And they
described seeing what looked like a glowing red coal from

(01:51:56):
a fire and about the size of a tense coin
if you hold that out at arm's length, and it
was flying low over my house before moving off out
of sight behind the trees. And I wasn't at my house,
I was at my girlfriend's house. But if it passed
over my house at the relative size that they said,

(01:52:18):
and given the distance to my house, that would probably
make it about forty meters in diameter. The interesting, even
more interesting part about this is about two years later,
I was talking with my father about the phenomena and
that it's my opinion that people see a lot more
than they realize that they forget about it. And for

(01:52:39):
some weird reason, I have remembered more, or see more,
I don't know, but I've remembered things that other people
have forgotten. And he commented that he had never seen
a ufo, and so I reminded him in great proof
to my point that he saw over my house on

(01:53:01):
New Ye's Eve and the look on his face, the
shock when he remembered what he saw, because it scared him,
and he was so amazed that he had forgotten about it.
And you know, this is a great example of how
people forget. He couldn't believe that he had forgotten about it, because,
in his opinion, this was something else that he should

(01:53:23):
remember for his whole life. He could remember it clearly
once I reminded him, but he had forgotten all about
it until that point. So one day, my son, he
was seventeen at the time, he took off his shirt
and when he turned his back towards me, I saw
large red marks on his upper back and the pattern

(01:53:44):
kind of looked a little bit like bubble wrap, but
a negative image. I think it might have been on
your podcast, Nick. We've had a guest on that described
a very similar marks, and I think it was your
podcast that uploaded a photo. I've got pretty much the
same image email to you. I'm not sure if you
want to chuck it up a link in the show notes,
but it looked like the capillaries under the skin had

(01:54:08):
burst from what looked like some kind of like a
suction or low pressure or something, you know. Two devices,
one on each kind of shoulder blade towards the top.
I asked him how he got the marketing had no
idea that were there. They didn't hurt or he couldn't
feel them at all, so I just took some photos
of them. I asked him if he could guess what

(01:54:31):
it might have caused the marks, and he couldn't explain it,
and either could eye. So I started seeing a new
lady romantically, and we were talking on the phone one
night and I was at my place, she was at hers.
I was telling her about my strange life and telling
her that if she was going to be involved with me,
the strange, strange things might be affecting her, and she

(01:54:54):
asked me for an example. I told her that I've
seen ghosts, and to my surprise, she said, I think
one of your ghosts might be here with me now.
And I asked her what she meant by that, and
she described the white, whispy form that I've seen many times,
and I hadn't mentioned this to her before. I was
shocked that she would describe the exact same thing I'd seen,
and I was quite blown away. The impression I got

(01:55:18):
was that maybe it was coming to check her out.
How it found her, who knows, but there it was.
I'd never told her about it, and she described it,
and I was quite blown away that not only was
she seeing my ghost or whatever it is, but she
wasn't even freaking out. That's normally what people do, but
she was pretty cool about it. And later on the

(01:55:39):
call she did freak out a bit when a super
bright light shone through the window she was at, and
that particular window was covered by a car port and
there was a fence on the other side. There was
just no way could have been a car headlight, and
the way she described it, it was just not possible
and she'd never seen anything like that the whole time
she was there. She also or described I should say,

(01:56:02):
what sounded like twenty or more people moving about outside
a window, but she was too scared to look fair enough.
And she also talked about her the sound of like
a metal drum or something being rolled on the road.
And the whole phone call was weird, and there was
at my end, there was bangs and knocks in the
room as well as weird lights on the ceiling. I

(01:56:23):
felt like whatever this phenomena is or was, that it
was checking her out. Turns out she's had a life
of high strangeness as well. She's got a letter stating
that she's seen a UAP because she has a photo
of it that was verified. It was multiple independent witnesses
on that night took a photo of this UAP. It's

(01:56:44):
better than I've got. Yeah. She was working up one
night by a compulsion to go out into the front
yard and the mysterious sense of light turned on, and
it was the middle of the night, and she was naked,
and she stepped into the entrance hall and she had
a loud sound and it was She described it as
like a heavy leather book falling to the floor, although

(01:57:07):
there was no book to be seen. And she went
out into the garden and my cat accompanied her, and
it sort of stuck right out of her feet. She
walked on the grass and had some kind of interaction
out there before going back into the house. We moved
in together and into of course, another haunted house, and

(01:57:27):
by now wondering if any houses are not haunted. This
house is off the chart. It's full of disembodied sounds,
the sound of children running and the sound of knocking
on windows and doors, doors opening, and closing, and lights
turning on and off, and strange odors with no apparent
sauce like cigarette smoke or even weird cooking smells in

(01:57:49):
the bedroom of wall places. Hilariously, we even heard a
disembodied fart one night. No, it wasn't either of us,
I trust. We've heard little children singing and laughing, and
when nobody else was home. There's a strange light phenomena,
including the weirdest thing. One night we'd had an argument actually,

(01:58:12):
and I could see on the floor next to the bed,
in the carpet was this tiny, like a tiny speck,
like a fraction of a millimeter wide, green flashing light
on the carpet, almost flashing like a heartbeat. I pointed
it out and we couldn't figure out what the hell
it was. And I ran my finger over it and

(01:58:34):
it would leap from one spot to another on the carpet.
It was so strange. It was just what could have
caused that. I have no idea green lights on the
bedroom ceiling. Interestingly, though, my partner saw the same lights
and she describes them as more of a golden color
and orbs. And although I didn't see it, my partner

(01:58:55):
described some kind of scanning device. She had a dream
and person in the dream was yelling at her to
wake up, and she woke up and she saw this
red and blue lights across the room, shooting out and
passing up and down her body, and she felt she
was being scanned. And when I questioned her about it,

(01:59:16):
I think it might have been more like plasma rather
than lights, because the light would have turned on instantly,
And she described it as moving out from the source
to her body and scared her. She drew a picture
of it, and it looks scary. I've heard loud metallics
scraping and grinding noises here that are just so huge
and massive you would think a plane is just crashed

(01:59:37):
into the house, but nothing is out of place. I
don't know what it is. The sound of children is
running is so common we don't even mention it anymore.
It's just almost daily. And my stepdaughter was telling me
just the other day that she was in her bedroom.
She's on a bunk bed, and she could hear what

(01:59:58):
sounded like fingernails tapping on the metal frame of her
bed at the bottom, and then like claws or something
clawing up the floorboards and scratching and digging into the floorboards,
and it terrified her. But in the morning there was
no evidence of anything happening at all, so lots of
disembodied sounds and strange lights. One night, I was telling

(02:00:19):
my partner about the Dear David story. I'm not sure
if you're familiar with that, but it's a Twitter feed
that has some fantastic photos of this creepy little kid
called Dear David. And I was telling this story one
night to my partner. And in this story, at one point,
this guy there's a manhold cover high above his in

(02:00:43):
his hallway in his apartment. He can't reach it, it's
quite high. And he came out in the morning and
this thing was open a little bit and there was
this old antique little kids shoeing there. And I was
telling my partner about this story. And the next morning,
the manhole cover in our walk in wardrobe was a jar,
just like in the image on the original Twitter beat.

(02:01:06):
And I mean, we didn't find a shoe, but that
and the whole time we've been here, that manhold car
has never budged. And we were in the room the
whole night, and it was obvious in the morning as
soon as I opened the wardrobe door. So just bizarre
things like that. Here a June and as Star. This
goes back years and years with my ex wife and

(02:01:30):
I was really busy working hard and looking after three
little kids, and I never really got to do much
at all except for looking after little kids, working housework, cooking, gardening.
That was it. Out of the blue, an old friend
of mine called me up and said, would you like
to go hiking down in this National park? And I said, yeah,

(02:01:50):
but there's no way that I'm going to be able
to do this because you know, my wife needs me
at home and it's never going to happen. And he said,
we'll ask her anyway, so I did, and my surprise,
she said, yes, you can go. I'll look after the kids.
So I was wrapped. I hadn't been hiking in years.
So I got my kid together and in no time

(02:02:10):
at all, we were heading off. It's about three and
a half four hours drive away, and parked the car,
got our kit on and hiked. It's about fifteen k's
in to this beautiful, stunning campsite. I was on the
beach in the forest and just gorgeous. There's small wine
glass shaped bay, white sand, forest covered mountains coming out,

(02:02:33):
blue water, stunning. So we set up and go through
that evening all normal. Next day, explore, have a great time,
do some fishing, and that evening my friend wanted to
do some night fishing, but I wasn't that keen. I've
done plenty of fishing that day, and so after dinner,

(02:02:56):
as the sun went down, I went and climbed on
top of this huge on the beach, really big, probably
the size of a school bus, similarly shape, rounded and withered.
And I sat up there and it got dark and
the moon came up, and I was just really awe
struck at how beautiful everything looked, the shape of the

(02:03:16):
bay and the mountains and the forest, and the moonlight.
The tide had gone out, and the ripples of the
sand all looked silvery, and it was just absolutely beautiful
and bliss It's not like me, but I sat there
for hours, not thinking about anything except how beautiful this
place was and how peaceful it was, and how just

(02:03:39):
how wonderful it all felt. And suddenly I had this
feeling that there was somebody behind me on this rock.
After maybe four hours sitting there, and I turned around slowly,
still sitting cross legged, and I shimmied around, and there

(02:04:01):
were two young women, probably mid twenties sitting on the rock,
one closer to me and one sort of behind her
and off to the side, both looking at me very
I can't even describe the expression of the emotion on
the face of the one closest to me, very beautiful looking,

(02:04:22):
with dark red, rusty hair sort of loosely tied back,
red freckles, and intense eyes. And behind her was sitting
another woman about the same age, also very beautiful, with blonde,
wavy hair and intense blue eyes and a round, sort

(02:04:44):
of shaped face. And I was kind of scared. It
wasn't normal. This wasn't a normal situation I was in.
But I felt compelled to not move, and I was
sort of in shock at what was happening, because this
was not normal. And I looked at the one closest

(02:05:05):
to me with the red hair and said, and for
some reason, you notice say in your mind, I said,
what is your name? But it was I was almost
like a child, and the way I said it, it
was like a child. And what I got back was
a dune. So the letter A and the word dune
is in sand dune, and as she said a dune,

(02:05:26):
an image overlaid over her face of these red, snow
capped sand dunes. And I don't know where they're from,
but I don't think they're on Earth. And it was
like an aerial image. And I was looking down over
these north south sand dunes that were red and snow
capped in these really dark light. And as she said

(02:05:47):
her name that they appeared over her face, and I
was not terrified, but really feeling out of my depth.
At that I looked away because of the awesomeness of it.
It was a bit too much to handle, and looked
at the other girl and I didn't say anything to her,
but she said as Star her name guessing she was

(02:06:10):
saying was as Star, And at that an image was
overlaid on her face of this incredible golden star with
his tendrils of light streaming out of it. And it
was really much more than I could handle, and I
started to cry. And they imparted a message to me

(02:06:31):
which I would like to kick to myself. And I
work up in my tent in the morning in the sunlight,
and that stays with me, and I think about their
names and what that experience might have meant and what
they said, And I think about that almost every single day.

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Speaker 3 (02:07:30):
So I really appreciate you giving me this opportunity, Nick.
It it means a lot to actually just get it
off my chest. And I hope that somebody out there
can relate or take something from my experiences to know
that they're not crazy and that these things actually do happen.
And you know, I just feel a lot better having
said all of this.

Speaker 4 (02:07:51):
It's liberating, isn't it. It's good to get it out there.

Speaker 3 (02:07:53):
You know. I feel a lot better now, Nick, And
you've been absolutely wonderful tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:07:58):
The interesting thing is, you know, is you've had these experiences,
but you weren't you only one? You know, it was
people around you as well, because at the very beginning
when you mentioned your mother and when she was pregnant
with the twins, had your mother mentioned any other experiences
she had other than that.

Speaker 3 (02:08:14):
Oh, for sure. She's a lifelong experiencer. One of her
earliest memories she was sitting on the back step of
her house with her best friend and she saw a
UFO pass low and quietly over her house. And she
described it as looking something like what the Space Shuttle

(02:08:35):
looks like, and it had a huge white orb behind it,
and it just glided slowly over her house. And she
would have been I think from what she was saying,
I think she would have been about six or seven
years old at that time, so certainly long before any
Space shuttle, that's for sure. And you know, recently she's
told me about seeing a UFO or seeing a craft

(02:08:58):
that she What I've actually got out of her was
that she said it looked like an F one seventeen
stealth aircraft, not that there's any of those in Australia,
and she said it moved low and slowly over the house,
and long after it had gone, she heard a noise
that sounded like a washing sound, and she thought it

(02:09:19):
might have been the sound of its jet engines. And
that was accompanied that evening by some lights that seemed
to be moving over the mountain that she can see
from her house. And on that particular evening she was
out looking because I could see from my perspective, which
was she could see south and I could see north.

(02:09:39):
I could see some flashing light, a flash of light
in the sky that looked like a camera flash. And
what came from the direction of Melbourne was a craft.
And it was in the air for about three and
a half hours. And I was watching this, and I
had a green light that morphed into a red light.

(02:10:01):
And I was watching this, and the would be a
flash in the sky, and this light would move towards
the location of the flash and move around in a
grid pattern. And then there'd be a flash a little
bit further over, and this light would move towards that,
and it was like a game of cat and mouse.
And my mother and my sister at their house could
see flashing in the sky, and my mother reported this

(02:10:24):
craft it looked like an well she described looking like
an F one seventeen, but it didn't move like one.
But at the end of this how this ended, and
I was watching this the whole time. How this ended?
Was this craft with the green and red light on
it moved away and it came closer to my house,
and what I saw and heard blew my mind. I

(02:10:47):
would describe it as a stealth helicopter. And the reason
I would call it a stealth helicopter was it had
a green light at the front and a red light
at the back, or it might have been the other
way around, I can't remember now, but it was lit
up from underneath by the street lights as I passed
over the town that would have been about two hundred

(02:11:08):
meters from my position. And it barely made a noise.
I could barely hear it, just a bit of a hum,
almost the sound of like a vacuum cleaner. And you know,
you see a helicopter at that range, you can hear it.
You know it's there. Even if there were no lights,
you would definitely hear it. And this thing barely made
a noise. So I saw what I described as a

(02:11:29):
stealth helicopter, and she saw what she described as a
stealth aircraft accompanied with lots of flashes of light in
the sky, and from her perspective, some lights on the
mountain side moving around. So yeah, my mother is a
lifelong experiencer. I haven't really gotten her permission to discuss it,
so I'm not sure if I should go into details,

(02:11:51):
but I think it could be a multi generational thing
just looking at the experiences my son has had as
well and myself. So yeah, that it just it goes
on and on.

Speaker 4 (02:12:02):
Really got those those images you sent with your son
and stuff, so we're also put them on the website
below this episode so people can go and have a look.
And I've had I've had very similar images before, We've guessed.

Speaker 3 (02:12:14):
So yeah, I hope that helps people because that I'm
pretty sure I've seen like the marks on my son's back.
I think it was on this podcast where I saw
images that looked just like that, and I felt so
much better having seen that, and so I hope that
can help other people.

Speaker 4 (02:12:30):
Absolutely, that's wonderful. Okay, you know the wall of stink,
which was interesting. It could it sounds like you could
have come into contact with a Yawi or something.

Speaker 3 (02:12:42):
Well, now, I would say possibly. At the time, I
had no idea. I mean i'd heard of Yowi's there's
the indigenous people here have a cryptid called bunyip, and
from what I understand, that would be what we'd call
a yowi. And well, my partner, she doesn't know anything
about this kind of stuff. She's never researched it. She

(02:13:03):
doesn't know the first thing about yaowie, your bigfoot. And
she was up with her sister and a sister's boyfriend
in a car, and they were up at a mountain
up here, and it was only until she saw a
picture of somebody in a gilly suit that she said
that I've seen something like that. And what she described
to me was seeing across a gully from where they

(02:13:27):
were parked, what at first she thought might have been
a large kangaroo, because she could see these red eyes,
like red shining eyes. This is daytime, mind you, across
this gully about two or three hundred meters away, and
she could see his eyes and this gray shape and
she thought, hm, this is strange, and trying to rationalize

(02:13:49):
what it was. Perhaps it was a tree stump, but
then it stood up and it was huge, and it
screamed at them and then charged down the gully towards them.
She said, it sounded like this huge, huge thing just
steamrolling through the through the forest, just crashing trees out
of its way and making this huge noise coming towards them.

(02:14:10):
So they quickly jumped in the car and got out
of there. And to me, that describes what you hear
so often. She had never looked into that or reach
that or anything at all. So for her say that,
I think there's something to that.

Speaker 4 (02:14:21):
Yeah, definitely. And you know the missing time. You've had
several occasions where you've had missing time, and it seems
it's quite flawless. There's no kind of break in that time.

Speaker 3 (02:14:32):
Ah, look, these guys are good. I'm driving a truck,
you know these things. Let's just pretend that what happened
was those missing two hours. I was stopped and by
a UFO and something happened to me. Just to stop
the truck and to get the truck going again is incredible.
And I have a feeling, or it's my opinion that

(02:14:54):
those red lights that were tracking me might have just
been keeping an eye on me to make sure that
I didn't remember anything and I wasn't freaking out, because
it wouldn't take much of a lapse of concentration to
have a big problem in a truck that you have
to be concentrating at all times to drive them, especially
at those speeds. So the way that they can do

(02:15:14):
missing time is unbelievable. I wonder if it's how many
times it's actually happened, and those were just the times
where something wasn't perfectly perfect and I was able to
realize that something had happened exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:15:27):
You hear of occasions where people are driving down the
road and they lose time, and when they're aware again, they're,
you know, so many miles down the road. It's just flawless.
You know, how can it possible that you drive in,
put your back and then you carry on again.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
Yeah, I mean, I'm very impressed by their ability to
do this. I think more likely than not, the times
that you are aware of this is when it doesn't
go perfectly well, and the rest of the time it
happens and you don't even know. And you know, a
guy I worked with for many years, he was the
biggest no believer in all of this ever, But from

(02:16:02):
my perspective, the stories he had was left mind for dead.
He had it all and you know, I remember him
saying to me, isn't it normal? Like when you're a
kid to have weird dreams where weird people come into
your room at night. Mate. So we are just quickly.

(02:16:22):
Two things that he told me that were amazing, and
one thing that I experienced with him that was amazing.
We had some devastating bushfires in two thousand and nine
here and lots of people were killed and we barely
made it out. It was close. And he said to me,
because he knew that I was into all of this stuff,
he said to me at work, did you see anything
on that day? And I mean, you mean apart from

(02:16:44):
the huge fire storm and nearly killed us. And he's like, no, no, no,
something in the sky. I said, what did you see any? So?
I saw what looked like heaps of grim reapers all
heading off towards this town here where the whole town
was destroyed and one hundred and seventy people died. And
he said he saw grim reaper's heading in that direction,

(02:17:05):
which was quite scary. One day, he we're at work
and he said, Brock, can you help me here. I
don't know what's going on with my shadow and his
shadow on his work. Boots wasn't quite meeting his work. Boots.
There was a gap of about two centimeters, like his
foot was off the ground. And my first thought was

(02:17:27):
something stuck under your workboot, and let's just get that
often that it'll be fine. But there was nothing there,
and he couldn't. I got down on my hands and
knees and looked with my head on the ground at
his boot, and what I could see his boot was
touching the ground, but his shadow didn't meet up with him.
So I called my supervisor over and we all had
a look. And my supervisor is a smart guy. I

(02:17:48):
really respect him, and he just said, I can't explain
that one. And that night on the way home, he
had talked to me many times about being in a
car and not having any recollection of how he had
arrived at location, or arriving much later than he should have,
or sometimes he said he even arrived earlier than he
should have. But this particular night, with his shadow not

(02:18:11):
touching his boot, which I couldn't explain, And this was
before the time of mobile phone cameras, I wish I
had got a fato of it. That night on the
way home, he had one of these experiences where he
suddenly woke up and he had been in a single
vehicle car accident. The car was destroyed. You'd look at
it and it looks like it's just been crushed by

(02:18:33):
some kind of machine, absolutely destroyed. And his only injury
was he got a tiny little cut on his finger
from some broken glass as he was crawling out of it.
And he has no memory of it. He just has
a memory of crawling out of the car. But crazy
stuff with that guy. I feel like my whole life
has been surrounded by it. I feel it comes in

(02:18:53):
waves for me as well. Interestingly, since I've been in
this new house, I've not seen a single UFO, but
I've had crazy, crazy disembodied sounds and light phenomena. I
don't know. There's something something to it, and I think
even just the what we're doing tonight could be enough
to trigger some more stuff. Just talking about it seems

(02:19:15):
to bring it on.

Speaker 4 (02:19:16):
Absolutely Yeah, but certainly let us know if anything does.

Speaker 3 (02:19:20):
Oh for sure. Look, I'll type up some more experiences
and send them over to you, and I'll try to document.
I've gone out and bought some really top notch microphones
and other recording equipment, and I'm going to try to
get some of these disembodied sounds in this house and
hopefully I can get something that's where you're putting on

(02:19:41):
your show. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:19:42):
Absolutely, Yeah. If you do get anything, yeah, send it
over and then we can we can play it and
see what kind of sounds and noises, disembodied voices you know,
you certainly get.

Speaker 3 (02:19:52):
Yeah, we've we've had we've sat down for an EVP
session but didn't get anything. But in setting up the
mic tonight's call, a friend of mine is a sound engineer,
and I was going over how we do this and
taking this microphone to its extreme limits. So I actually
noticed that I could hear these disembodied footsteps in the house.
So I'm going to have an experiment after this and

(02:20:14):
see if I can get something.

Speaker 4 (02:20:15):
Yeah, see, we can get hold of a couple of
guests somewhere. I'd be going over and editing all the
audio and stuff, and I'd hear voices, and a lot
of times people are on their own, are in a
room or a different part of the house away from everyone,
even if there is anywhere in the house, and I'd
pick up these voices anyway, so I wouldn't edit it out.
I'd leave on the show right and I'll wait to

(02:20:35):
see if I get anyone back, you know, any of
the listeners actually email in and mention it. And sure enough,
this one. That's why I come on what episode now?
A couple of voices on there, and I had heaps
of emails people asking, you know, you know, what was
that voice? What was that voice?

Speaker 3 (02:20:46):
So well, there's nobody else here in some one partner.
She is just sat quietly in the entire time. I'm
in a room that's covered in acoustic panels. So if
something turns up, and if the listeners hear it, definitely
email in it and we'll see if Nick and work
his magic and we'll get an EVP out of this session. Absolutely,

(02:21:10):
you can totally understand that this the weirdness that follows
this phenomenon around is doesn't seem to be any into it.
And just when you think you've seen the weirdest thing ever,
something else, even weird it happens again. And you know,
the synchronicities and the and the whole lot that I
go through. It's too crazy too. I mean, I'm sure
you'd be fine with it, but you just can't talk
about it because it does it literally does sound crazy.

(02:21:33):
So the best of my knowledge I'm not crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:21:35):
So yeah, we've got a diagnosis for you, Brooke, and
you'll find you're not crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:21:41):
Thank you. Nick.

Speaker 4 (02:21:42):
Well, look, I mean, you know, like I said before,
this show is for It works on a few levels,
isn't it. I don't really see it as entertainment. So
you've got a guest coming on like yourself, you know,
and you're you're sharing it, and it's helping you internally.
You know, you're getting out there, you're telling people, and
you are telling people. You're telling a lot of people.
You're telling a lot of light minded people. And these
people have also had experiences a lot of stuff. They

(02:22:04):
can't explain a lot of stuff they've never told anyone,
so they're also dealing with this internally.

Speaker 3 (02:22:09):
Yeah, this is the first time I've ever discussed this
with anybody outside of you know, some people.

Speaker 4 (02:22:13):
That I know exactly. So it works on many levels.
It's helping you, it's helping guests, you know, and in
turn that might bring them forward either way. You know,
it's going to be helping someone. And even if it
helps just one person, go oh yeah, that makes sense. Now,
I don't feel so bad, you know, especially when you're
in an environment where you know your partner makes you
feel a bit, you know, crazy because these experiences and

(02:22:34):
don't want to know in that kind of situation. Yeah,
that's hard for sure, is Yeah, obviously you don't have
that problem now, no Ah.

Speaker 3 (02:22:42):
Oh, Finally, it makes such a difference having somebody that
is actually accepting, and especially that the experiences that my
partners had as well just helps so much. And I
if anybody is in a situation where they're not being
supported by their partner, it's really really difficult because I
found myself literally starting to think maybe I'm crazy, even

(02:23:04):
though she's seeing these things with me. And finally, now
after all this, I can look back and think, no,
if anybody's crazy, it would be her, because you see
all this stuff and still deny its existence even though
it's right in front of you in the middle of
the day. Yeah. Anyway, I'm glad that it's the other
way around now and my partner is so supportive and

(02:23:25):
her experience is a way out there as well.

Speaker 4 (02:23:27):
It is better. Yeah, it puts you in a different environment.
Instead of kind of turning away from the stuff, you're
butt more open to it. You're not pushing it away
because you have to. It's happening, so there's not much
I can do about it. I'm not in any danger.
The people around me are not in any danger.

Speaker 3 (02:23:41):
So yeah, and I feel it's comfortable, sir now, just
to get here tonight and talk with you. I really
look forward to your podcast coming out every week. It
really is one of my favorites. I think the job
you're doing, too, Nick, is really really important because without
people like you getting the message out, people that are
going through this are just going to be alone. So

(02:24:02):
you know, you're really helping connect people and tell them
that they're not alone and that they're not crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:24:08):
Completely my intention, and I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (02:24:10):
Out of the park. Mate, You've got the formula exactly right,
exactly what you just said. The very fact that I
don't have to listen to some commentator rant on and
you know, pick apart or demoralize or just otherwise he
tracked from the content. You know, your show is very
content rich, and I think the way you do it

(02:24:31):
is spot on and it goes to show. I saw
on Facebook that you were with in the top point
five percent of podcast top point five percent. Y.

Speaker 4 (02:24:41):
Yeah, it's pretty high. It's not bad going actually.

Speaker 3 (02:24:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's really high. Yeah, very impressive. You're doing
it right. It's rich on content. Don't stop doing it,
and I know it's hard work, and keep doing exactly
what you're doing because it's one of the best out there. Okay,
thank you very much. Nick, I'm really grateful for the opportunity.

Speaker 4 (02:24:58):
Well, I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for
our listeners. It's been interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:25:02):
Good nighting.

Speaker 4 (02:25:03):
You take care of yourself and I'll talk to you soon, Broke. Okay,
So that is all for today. Keep updated and connected
with the show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if
you have an encounter that you'd like to share on
the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at
gmail dot com or recheck to me via the contact
page on my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com.

(02:25:25):
A big thank you to Brock for sharing tonight, and
thank you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye

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