Ep.170 Paranormal Canada (Throwback)

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Tonight's guest is Nicole from British Columbia, Canada, and Nicole will be sharing her more memorable paranormal experiences. Having grown up in a Catholic home, whenever she would talk about ghosts, she was always dismissed or told that once we die we go to heaven or hell, and that's it, so at the time she chose not to share her experiences, but tonight Nicole will be.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 3 (00:18):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
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like thirty seconds ago, we.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
See, I passed out over the top of US.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
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the airplanes.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
He is sere to God calm in on an unidentified object,
every liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
All welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
world you are listening from, I hope you are having
a good weekend. Tonight's guest is Nicole from British Columbia, Canada,
and Nicole will be sharing her more memorable paranormal experiences.
Having grown up in a Catholic home, Whenever she would
talk about ghosts, she was always dismissed or told that

(02:09):
once we die, we go to heaven or hell and
that's it. So at the time she chose not to
share her experiences, but tonight Nicole will be If you
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(03:01):
Hello Nicole, and welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Hello, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's great to have you on today, and you're calling
it from British Columbia, Canada. I sure am lovely, lovely
part of the world. Now, Nicole, you have some paranormal
experiences to share with us. Would you like to start
the very beginning please?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah. So I've had paranormal my whole life. You know,
my earliest memory of paranormal experience was probably when I
was about eight years old. And a little background on me.
I grew up in a Catholic household, and you know,

(03:40):
I was raised you know, when you die, like you
go up or down, there's no in between. You're not
on this earth anymore. And ghosts and things were just
not something we really we talked about, and they weren't
I guess maybe believed, you know, by a lot of
my family members. So everything that I kind of experienced

(04:01):
was always just like my family would politely dismiss it.
They were never rude about it or anything like that.
But I was probably about eight years old when I was,
you know, in my my bedroom and growing up Catholic,
you know, we always have rosaries, and I had my
own specific rosary that I always just kind of kept

(04:21):
hanging above my bed, and I remember sitting there. I
don't know if I was doing homework or just reading.
I've always been a bit of a bookworm, and I
just noticed my rosary just kind of swinging a little bit,
you know, nothing crazy, almost as if the wind grabbed it.
So I just instinctively went to go close my bedroom window,

(04:44):
thinking that it might be open, and you know, didn't
want it to fall off of where it was hanging from.
And you know, my surprise, my window was open. So
then I figured, okay, well, maybe it's just the air
conditioning that's kicked in and check the events, and that's
not the source of why this is moving. So I

(05:06):
just kind of thought, well, that's interesting. I couldn't my
eight year old brain couldn't come up with a logical
reason enough. But you know, I didn't instantly go, oh,
it's got to be a ghost, So of course, you
know I would. I told my parents about it, and
you know, being who they are, just dismissed it to
something very logical. You know, it just has to be

(05:26):
something that happened in the house, you know, air current
moving some some way or another, and so of course
I also have a very you know, as I get
into my school years and later in my school years,
I do become very science based, and so my brain
as always goes back to looking for logical reasons of course,

(05:47):
when I have these unexplainable events that occur. So that
home we were living in, we were there until I
was about twelve years old, and nothing crazy ever happened
in that house. It was always like, you know, bumps
or what sounded like somebody walking, or you know, cupboards

(06:09):
opening and closing. And in that house, it was a
three bedroom house, and my bedroom was on the main
floor and my sister's bedroom was upstairs where my parents'
bedroom was, So I was the only one on the
main level that kind of like heard things, and I
wouldn't say interacted with things, but just observed things that

(06:30):
were occurring around the house. And then at twelve, my
grandfather passed away and my parents sold their place bought
a bigger house so that they could move my grandma
in with us, and that way she wasn't alone. And
that was just the best for me because I was
just totally my grandmother's shadow when I was a kid,
and she always had this doorbell separate to the main

(06:54):
house because her kind of apartment was at the back
of the house, and she'd never hear the door go
if if somebody knocked or rang the doorbell. So my
parents had gotten or maybe she bought it, I'm not sure,
but she got her own doorbell, and that thing would
just sometimes go off, and that, you know, we always

(07:16):
chalked it up to, you know, it just not working right,
or maybe the battery's dying or whatever it was. But
my grandmother always joked like that it was my pepe,
and I just always kind of thought that was funny
that she would just have this little sense of humor about, oh,
if your grandfather bothering me. He always loved to get
my blood boiling, which when he was alive was true,

(07:38):
and so I just always kind of kept that in
the back of my head, like I think grandma experiences things,
but we don't really talk about these things in my
family very much or very openly anyway. So that house
was not, you know, crazy with activity. It was usually
the same thing again, you know, I would hear noises,

(07:58):
cupboards opening closing, walking around the house. Nothing scary, nothing
that intimidated me. I do remember my mom telling me
one time when we were at school, she was having
a nap on the couch and she, you know, chalked
it off to a dream, but I always thought it
something more. And she just said that she woke up

(08:21):
because it felt like somebody had put their hands on
her ankles while she was lying there, and she didn't
feel scared. She just said she felt very calm and
at peace. And this was again, you know, not too
long after my grandfather passed away, which was her father,
so I kind of always had it in my head

(08:43):
it was him, and not for any specific reason that
anybody ever put that in my head. You know. I
was twelve or thirteen years old at this time. And
then when I got to high school, I actually became
best friends with a girl who who i'm to this
day still very close to, and her house was very haunted.

(09:06):
She did admit at some point in our friendship that
she had tried the Ouiji board, so whether or not
something was there beforehand, or she opened a veil of
some sort that allowed for this activity, but the activity
in her home was very negative. My first personal encounter

(09:29):
at her place was a morning when it was just
her and I and the home, and this home was big,
like they had a basement and then a main floor
and an upstairs, and her parents were they must have
been at work, and her brother was already moved out
of the house at that time, so it was her
and I and her two cats. And she wasn't well

(09:52):
that morning, and she got up off the couch and
went to the upper level washroom so that she could
kind of be sick and just you know, be more private,
and I just continued to lay on her couch. You know,
we were just waking up really, and you know, it
was just quiet in the house. There were no TVs
or radios playing. And attached to their basement living room

(10:16):
is their utility room, their laundry hall, and they also
have a door from the laundry room that leads to
their backyard. And as clear as day, I heard a
very deep, gravelly male voice. I don't know what he said, though,

(10:37):
but his voice was just so auditory. It was just like, Oh,
my god, somebody's in the house. That back door must
have been unlocked, and somebody's in the house, and I'm
the only one downstairs, so I was I was terrified. Actually,
I really did think somebody was in her home, and
I was frozen. I don't think I've ever really been

(10:58):
frozen in fear like that. And I just kind of
hold the blanket just to under my eyes, like as
if that was going to make me invisible or something.
But I couldn't. I couldn't go upstairs. I just couldn't move.
And so when my friend finally came back downstairs, you know,
I was instantly like, oh my god, I think somebody's
in your basement, your laundry room, Like we need to

(11:19):
look together. And so she, you know, with me, goes
to the laundry room and there's nobody in there, and
so we checked the back door and the back doors locked,
and I was like, oh, and I told her what
I heard. I was like, it was clear as day.
It was a super deep male voice, and it just
didn't seem friendly. And she, you know, kind of remarked,

(11:40):
I told you my house was on it. And you know,
I'm thinking I never doubted you, but I think her
parents did. And so we throughout our high school years,
like you know, I would stay with her at her house,
especially if her parents were working late. She really didn't
like to be alone in the house, and so I
don't know. Together, we were just brave her And I

(12:02):
can remember one time, you know, picking her up before
school and her having bruises from falling down her basement stairs,
and she had explained to me that it had felt
like something had pushed her and she had been carrying
her cat going down the stairs, so she was unable
to put her arms out to try and grab the

(12:24):
railing or anything. So there was I think like thirteen
stairs and she went down that whole dang flight, and
she was pretty beat up for it, and you know,
we just never kind of questioned that things were just
not happy spirit wise in that home. I can remember
a time of her calling me being alone and saying

(12:47):
that the upper spare room blinds were violently shaking and
she couldn't figure out why and she could go, you know,
bring herself to go back into the house, and her
dad was working late, was out of town, and so
I went and picked her up and we sat in
the driveway for five or ten minutes, like watching these

(13:07):
blines still move. And the interesting part is like from
the time that she called me and left my house,
I mean it was probably a fifteen minute gap of
by the time I got my keys and purse and
got out the door and drove to her neighborhood. So
they had been moving for quite some time. And eventually,
like we just laughed, and I don't know, we I

(13:29):
think just cruised around until her dad got home. And
I will never forget that he just looked at us
like we were crazy. He just did not believe what
we were experiencing. But we knew what we were experiencing.
So her and I've always had an affinity for, you know,
ghost stories and sharing encounters and things like that, or
going on ghost tours. There was a time when her

(13:52):
and I went on a ghost walk in Burlington, Ontario,
because I'm actually from Ontario and I've been in British
Columbia for about ten years now, and I think I
was I don't know, probably in my late teens, maybe
eighteen eighteen to twenty, and she and I went on

(14:14):
this tour and there was quite a few people on
this tour. It wasn't like a little private, you know,
town walk of these buildings that are apparently haunted. And
we went more just because we thought, like, this is
is going to be fun, and like we weren't really
going to experience anything. But we were in this old
tavern and it was said that the lady who owned

(14:37):
this tavern, and I cannot remember the name of this tavern,
but she was pretty feisty. She was a feisty lady.
She you know, was to be taken seriously, you know,
when it came to her business, and if you were
being a hooligan in her bar, she'd personally toss you out.
And it had been reported that the stairs in the

(15:00):
main lot of their building that led to kind of
like an upstairs conference room and where their washrooms were.
People often felt like they were going to fall down
these stairs. And as we're coming down the staircase, there's
I don't know thirty people around me. Like we're tightly

(15:23):
packed on this staircase. There's no way that if I
fell that somebody wouldn't have easily just like grabbed me
because we were so kind of tightly funneled down this staircase.
And I had this overwhelming urge that I was going
to fall, and I looked at my friend and she
looked at me, and I was like, we got to
get out of here, and she was like, yes, whatever

(15:44):
she was feeling. We were kind of experiencing the same
anxiety to just get out of there. And I did
feel like I was just going to fall down those
stairs for some illogical reason, and we did. We just
kind of like, you know, politely as Canadians do, excuse me, sorry,
excuse me, sorry, excuse me sorry, all the way down
the stairs until we got out of the building. And

(16:06):
as soon as we got out of the building, like
that feeling just washed away completely. So it was just
kind of one of the weird things that, you know,
we're unexplainable that we'd experienced that night together. And then,
you know, where we grew up. The city really wasn't
teenager friendly. There wasn't much to do. You know, you
couldn't attend concerts. There just really wasn't much going on

(16:30):
in the early two thousands and so one thing her
and I love to do was just drive around, like
we just once we had our license, we just love
to drive and we'd take turns. We each had our
own vehicles, so we would just go for cruises for hours.
And there was a night where we were just cruising
around the county of the rural area to the city

(16:51):
that we lived in, and we were just killing time.
You know, we didn't want to be at home, We
didn't enjoy watching TV and that sort of thing, so
we were just always out driving around on and it
was like, this is the only time I've ever experienced
lost time. And I know that a lot of your
guests on your show have talked about missing time in

(17:12):
terms of alien encounters and things like that, and I
have no idea, you know, what this experience was. And
I'm not going to call it like an alien encounter
or anything of that nature. But we were driving around
and all of a sudden it was like we woke up.

(17:33):
For you know, a lack of better terminology to explain it,
we were obviously awake, we were driving, and we just
kind of looked at each other and was like, what
time is it? You know, I looked at the radio
on the dash and three hours had passed, and we
were like, what the heck? Where did those three hours go?

(17:54):
Like we there, We're not even three hours from home.
How did we lose three hours of time? And we
both can't recall what happened in those three hours, And
jokingly we were like, ha haha, we were abducted by aliens.
But like we never ever moved on from that. Like,
we never really talked about it. We always just were like, oh, yeah,

(18:17):
it was weird. You know, remember that one time when
we lost three out of the time. We just don't
know what happened. It was just a super bizarre situation.
And then in my early twenties, I actually bought my
own house while I was still living in Ontario, and
that wasn't super active. And I think I've come to

(18:40):
realize in my life that it's not necessarily the buildings
or the homes that are active. I have a connection to,
you know, the paranormal world. There's a veil that maybe
is a little transparent on my end because I do
see things sometimes, and I do hear things or smell things,

(19:05):
and I'm very very sensitive to feelings. And I remember
just like laying on my couch in my new home
and feeling very safe and secary, you know, nothing was wrong.
But then I remember just hearing what sounded like branches
scratching against one of my windows, and I just thought, oh,

(19:27):
that's annoying sound, you know, kind of like nails on
a chalkboard. And I realized it was coming from my
upstairs bedroom, and I thought, well, there's no trees on
that side of the house at all, let alone tall
enough to reach that window. So without missing a beat,
I just kind of was like, that's really annoying out loud.

(19:51):
I was just like, can you please stop that? And
as soon as I finished asking that, that noise stopped
and I never heard it again. So I just always
was like, oh, okay, well, yes, you know I can.
I think that was the first time I kind of
realized that I could communicate and they would hear me
and understand what I was saying, because of course, you know,

(20:14):
like this wasn't something I freely talked about with people
other than my close friend. I didn't talk about these
experiences with my family. So a lot of this stuff,
like I've just really figured out a lot later in
my life. And eventually, I think I was about twenty
seven and I decided to go back to college and

(20:35):
that required me to move away from the city I
was living in, and things for me actually quieted down.
While I was in college. I think I was just
really focused on getting through my studies and getting really
good grades so that I could, you know, get back
into the workforce. And when I graduated college, I end

(20:59):
up basic, you know, selling off my life that I
had built in Ontario and moved to British Columbia and
I actually was managing for a resort for about nine years,
and on this resort I had probably a lot of
most of my encounters since living in in BC. I

(21:23):
chalk it up to the fact that a ski resort
is actually quite a dangerous a dangerous location. The sport
itself is incredibly fun, but it is a dangerous sport.
And what I've come to learn now living in the
western part of Canada where the big mountains are that
there are commonly each year, you know, a resort does

(21:46):
see a death occur. So for me, you know, knowing
when I learned that, it was like, oh, it makes
sense why I have so many encounters at this resort.
And often in you know, the months that the resort
was closed and not open for guests, I would often
be up there alone. You know, It's a fairly good

(22:07):
sized resort, multiple buildings, but I would be the only
personnel up there, and I would be moving in and
out of these buildings, unarming them and then arming them
as I leave, you know, just keeping things safe, and
I commonly in their day lodge would hear people walking

(22:29):
around in ski boots. And if you're a skier or
a snowboarder and you've been to ski resorts and you've
heard people walking around in ski boots, like, you know
what that sound is. It's not like people in normal shoes.
It's very loud, it's very clunky. And at the resort
I worked for, they had an upper level for dining

(22:50):
and people commonly when they were open for skiing, would
put their ski boots on up there. And you know,
I'm a snowboarder, so I don't have to deal with this,
but you know, something I see skiers do a lot
when they're putting their boots on is like, you know,
they put their foot in and then they slam it
against the ground to get their foot fully into their boot,

(23:11):
and that is a very distinctive sound as well. So
I'd be in the basement of our day loge grabbing
supplies and I would hear somebody, you know, clear as day,
putting their ski boot on and it's you know, may
or June and the resorts closed, and I know I'm
the only person in the building because I've unlocked it,

(23:33):
unarmed it and locked everything behind me. So but of
course there's always the possibility another manager could show up.
Of course they wouldn't be putting ski boots on. But
you know, just always looking for logical reasons as to
why I hear movement around in the upper levels when
I'm you know, in the basement. Is just like, Okay,
somebody's got to be in this building. And I would

(23:56):
go looking around and calling hello, is anybody else in
the building with me? And I would never get any responses,
and then kind of as a last ditch effort, just
in case somebody did not hear me calling out, you know,
I would say, Okay, I'm going to arm the building,
so if you're in here, it's gonna go off, you know,

(24:17):
and it wouldn't. And you know, we always had issues
with the alarm system, whatever it may be. You know,
usually it's a tech issue, but every now and again
the alarms would go off, and you know, it'd be
no common call for it. I can recall being on
mountain actually shoveling some snow away from an area that

(24:41):
needed to be cleared, and I was actually on in
a location of the resort that's permanently out of bounds
to skiers and guests alike, and I paused and looked
up from where I was shoveling and saw an individual
standing above me in like a retro seventies eighties onesie

(25:03):
ski suit that was like that kind of bright red
and royal blue clash of color. And I remember thinking, oh, like,
what is that person doing on this side of the fence.
They shouldn't be here. So as I went to go
move towards them so that I could get closer to say,

(25:23):
you know, tell them that they shouldn't be where they are,
that individual was not there, and so I remember thinking, Okay,
well that's interesting. And there were other resort staff members
that had experiences as well on mountain and in buildings

(25:44):
that have had shared their experiences with me. So I
had a few coworkers that I could always share both
experiences with. In our administration building, the common joke, I
suppose you could call it, was that the ghost in
that building was named Spook, and there were plenty of

(26:06):
us that had either seen their keys in their door
kind of get jingled back and forth without anybody being around.
I personally had her many times, heard conversations happening, and
the floor above me, and then I would go upstairs
to see who's in and say hi and come to

(26:30):
you know, when I get to that level that had
a separate alarm, and you know, i'd open the door
and then the alarm would be going off for me
to put the code in, and it's like, okay, so
obviously nobody's in here, but you know, it would be
clear as day, like you could just it would sound
like a group of people having a conversation and just
like laughing, you know, like water cooler chat. And so

(26:53):
you know, we'd always joke. Oh, Spook was added again.
Spook was at it again. And then I left that
job to take on a different managerial job. And I
actually now work a lot of late nights and I
am in and out of a lot of local buildings
through throughout the night where I actually manage a commercial

(27:17):
cleaning company. So I'm usually bringing stock to these locations
for staff or sometimes I'm cleaning the locations myself, and
you know, going in and also just making sure things
are kind of up to snuff. And a lot of
these buildings are really old. And I have one specific
building I do not like entering, and it has a

(27:41):
couple of businesses in it. There's like a hair salon,
I think, there's a youth center, you know, there's an
employment center, and then there's also like a family counseling
center in there as well. And when you walk into
this building, I feel like it's very heavy, that there's
a very very oppressive feeling in there. Part of me

(28:03):
feels that is due to whatever heaviness is getting offloaded
in the family counseling portion of the building, and that
that energy is not being cleared where I live as well,
there's quite a rich history in mining and the Canadian
Pacific Railway as well, so there's a lot of buildings

(28:29):
still here from you know, when the town was implemented
in like the eighteen hundreds, and our Canada Post Office
actually is a very very old building and there I
had commented to one of our other staff members that,
you know, there's just a weird energy that I walk

(28:52):
into in that building if I go in their past
ten pm. I don't know why ten pm, but it's
if I get in their past ten pm, it's just
not a happy feeling. And so her mother is actually
like a ray ki master, and she talked to her
mom about it. She came back with me, or came
back to me saying there is some sort of ancient

(29:16):
creature and she couldn't necessarily remember what her mother called it.
But it's of the earth. It's not a spirit, it's
not demonic, it's not you know, somebody who has been
on this earth and passed on. It belongs to the earth,
and it really has no harm. It doesn't like to

(29:38):
be disturbed late at night for some reason. But it
actually can feed off of your energy. So if you
walk in there with, you know, a really positive attitude,
your positive attitude gets amplified because this creature really feeds

(29:59):
off of it. Vice versa. If you walk in there
with a negative attitude, that creature will feed into that
negative attitude and amplify it, and you'll kind of continue
to grow and get more angry or anxious or you know,
whatever you're feeling. This creature intensifies it.

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So.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
We had both talked about how it feels like that
energy whatever this is, kind of creeps up from the basement,
and so she explained that to her mom and her mom.
I'm not quite familiar with symbols and reiki symbols, but
her mom put up these symbols apparently in the basement

(32:01):
that keeps this creature there. And I'll tell you the
day she did it. It was night and day. You
walked in the back door where we all come in from,
and you just knew like it was going to stay
down in the basement. It wasn't going to come up
the stairs. And now, like I acknowledge it, like I'll say, hi,
how are you? It's just kind of weird. I don't

(32:25):
think I've actually ever told my manager about it.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
But.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Listens to this podcast. Eventually he'll he'll he'll know now.
But yeah, it was just it was. It was super,
super weird. So I met through Instagram a girl who
is deals with raki healing and energy healing, and you know,
we just I somehow, you know, I just believe that
the universe really puts people in our path and removes

(32:51):
them from our path when it's time, and our paths,
you know, totally connected through the Instagram platform. And I
didn't know initially that she was into end healing or
anything like that, and then eventually I saw something she
had posted about and was curious about what she was doing,
and eventually just booked an hour with her. I thought,
you know, I've heard about reiki a few times now

(33:14):
in my life, and the first few times I was
ever introduced to it, I just thought it was very
woo wooye. Again, I'm a very science background, so I'm
always fighting my logical brain, and something was just kind
of calling me to this though, and I just kind
of trusted that in her voice, I would just like,
just do it. Whatever happens will happen. Who cares. If anything,

(33:37):
You're just supporting her business and if that's the worst
thing that comes out of this, so be it. So anyways,
we did this session and at the time I had
moved again and I was in a new house. It
had only been in a been here for a few months,
and I knew we had a ghost in the house.

(33:58):
I don't know if it had come with the house
or what. I just knew we had a male ghost
in the house. He was not harmful, but he like
really liked to move things around the house on me,
and he'd wait to the point that I would get frustrated, like,
I know, I put that there, where is it? You know,
and you're just pacing around the house getting flustered and
times picking buy and you got somewhere to be, and

(34:21):
then all of a sudden, there it is. It's where
he left it. But it wasn't. It wasn't for the
past ten fifteen minutes. So when I did the session
with her, she had said, you know, are you aware
of it? You have a ghost in your house. And
I was like, yeah, how do you know that? You know,
because I didn't talk about it with anybody other than
with my housemate. And she's like, do you know it's

(34:42):
a mail And I said yeah, I kind of got
that feeling that it was a masculine energy. And she said, well,
you know, he just doesn't kind of know how to
move on. And I said, okay, she said, but he
really enjoys your company. He finds that you're funny. He
really I means you no harm in moving things around
your house, but he just finds it amusing. He kind

(35:05):
of likes to, you know, get your blood going. And
I just thought, I have no idea how this girl
knows this, but this is bang on what I've been experiencing.
So I said to her, I don't have an issue
with him being there, but he wants to move forward
and doesn't know how can we help him move forward?
And that's exactly actually what we did, and I felt
his spirit move forward. It was a really moving experience.

(35:28):
It was, you know, nothing but happiness. But it was
just really really quite a moving experience for myself and
really solidified to me through a lot of things that
she had said in our session, you know, just healing
and unblocking chakras and working through cutting cords of emotional
ties that I had been carrying. I had no idea

(35:51):
I had been carrying so many other people's baggage. You know,
I had my own baggage, but I was carrying other
people's baggage as well, and so when we cleared all that,
it was like somebody just took another person off of
me in terms of just that weight coming off of
my chest and my shoulders. She gave me some tools
to practice to, you know, help open up my gifts.

(36:14):
You know. She was like, you are very you know,
she's like, you're clairvoyant because you can you do see things.
You're very sensitive to feelings. She's you know, she helped
me learn to build and push my aura out so
that I could give myself a barrier and protect myself
from having other people's feelings attached to me. I in

(36:38):
my twenties, I was dealing with a lot of negative
energy and I thought a lot of it was mine,
and I didn't understand it, and I didn't know who
to talk to about it or where to look for
answers about it. But through my my session with her,
I had come to learn a lot of what I
was experiencing wasn't all mine. So for the better part

(37:01):
of now two years, I've definitely been practicing the things
and tools that she's given me to be a lot
more protective of my own energy, but helping others as well,
I've now since doing that, I've heightened I think my gifts.
I definitely have more experiences. I see a lot more.
A lot of it is out of my peripheral vision,

(37:22):
but I definitely through feeling. Again, I'm very heightened to
feeling like I just know when something is there and
when it's not, and if I've seen something because it's
there or it's just you know, something moved quickly. You
know that's explainable, you know, just within your peripheral vision.
My last story, and I think probably one of my

(37:45):
neatest experiences that I have no idea to this day
what happened. But I was actually driving along one of
our highways out here, and the highways out here are
just hitch black. You know, in a lot of urban
areas as highways tend to have street lights, but out
here it is your headlights and the moon. If it's

(38:07):
not cloudy, it is just pitch black out here. So
I am driving south along Highway ninety five, and I'm
actually heading out to my boyfriend at the time. He
lived about sixty five kilometers from where I lived and
was in quite a remote area, so you know, it

(38:29):
was kind of nice to get to his place on
my days off for just like some peace and quiet.
And as this highway neanders along the Columbia Wetlands, like
the largest protected wetlands in Western Canada, and you know,
in the summer it's teeming with wildlife and birds. And

(38:51):
again it's pitch black. So I'm just driving under, you know,
and all I can see is what my headlights are
showing me. It's a clear night out. I can see
the moon, I can the stars, and the highway is
one hundred kilometers an hour, so I'm doing that or
maybe about ten over. But you know, I'm barreling down
the highway and right to the right side of me,

(39:12):
over the wetlands, this light catches up with my car
and it is very luminous, but it's not bright. It's
not lighting up things around it. It's not lighting up
anything below it. It's just itself is luminous. Again, like
I'm driving, so I can't like stare at it. I

(39:34):
need to pay attention to the highway and so you know,
I'm just kind of like as if you're checking your mirrors,
you know, really quick looking at this. I don't know
if it had been going faster than me, and slowed
down to my speed or caught up to me, but
it flew alongside my vehicle, you know, maybe for a

(39:54):
total of two three seconds, but long enough for me
to like look at it, know that it was a
ball of light and be like what the heck is that?
And then it was gone. And it wasn't like it
shot up or it you know, fell down. It just
it just didn't exist anymore. It just wasn't there, and

(40:17):
it was you know, like I've seen tons of falling
stars and comets and you know, every year if the
sky is clear, I watched the Prosiedy's meteor shower, Like
I love looking up at the night sky, especially out
here with how dark it is, the amount of stars
you can see in the Milky Way, like it's just incredible. So,

(40:39):
you know, I am familiar with satellites moving and things
like this, but this was a ball of light flying basically,
you know, one hundred feet out from my vehicle, going
parallel with me. And I remember getting to my boyfriends
and telling him about it, but his action was just

(41:00):
kind of like hh, you know, and then there was
just nothing after that. So I never made a huge
deal about it. And in fact, I actually had forgotten
about it until I had listened to one of your
episodes where somebody had described that the same ball of light,
and I just thought, oh, my god, that is exactly

(41:23):
what I saw. This isn't just me. I'm not unique
to that experience, which is great, it makes me not
feel crazy. But I just thought, yeah, that's exactly what
I saw, Like I couldn't have described it better myself.
And I've now, of course, having listened to your podcast
for I think it's goha spend a year, I've heard

(41:45):
that description now a number of times. You know, I
have no idea what that is. I told my mom
about it, which is unique because I don't usually talk
to my parents about these sort of experiences, not because
I don't think they'll believe me, but I just, you know,

(42:06):
I think I think they believe that I've experienced it,
but I don't think they believe that it's real. Like
I don't know, I don't know how to explain that,
but so I told my mom about it anyways, and
I even said to I was like, you might think
I'm crazy, but like this really did happen. I just
wanted to share this with you. She at the end
of it was like, was there an accident on that
highway that day? And I was like, I don't know.

(42:26):
I mean that was quite a you know, this is
probably like five or six years ago now, And I said, I,
you know, I don't recall, but these highways are quite
deadly and it's not uncommon for you know, fatal accidents
happening out here. And she's like, I just think that
was your guardian angel and it kept you from something
like it either got you where you needed to be

(42:48):
faster or it delayed you from getting there so that
you missed something. And I was like, oh, that's possible,
you know, it's it's certainly now that I've brought it
back to the forefront of my mind, not an experience
I will forget again. I think I forgot about it
just because initially, like I said, my boyfriend at the
time is just so dismissive of it. And I don't

(43:08):
think he did that to be rude or that he
didn't believe me. It was just yeah, he just it
was like it wasn't meant to register it in his
brain what I was telling him. For some reason. I
don't know, but I you know, I still to this
day continue to have experiences regularly, whether they're in my

(43:29):
home or when I'm about out and about in my
work life. I have been told from people in this
area that because a lot of the mountain peaks are
very triangular here, there's very strong energy vortex in this area.
I know individuals who have spotted unexplainable things in the skies.

(43:52):
There's a local in the area who has claimed to
have experiences with sasquatch, you know, so or bigfoot. I know,
there's lots of different terminology for them. I call them
sam Slanch. This is my little pet name for them.
But there is something about this area that I really

(44:14):
need to look into more in terms of like this
energy corridor. Where I am in BC, I'm actually closer
to the Alberta border than i am the coast of
British Columbia, and so we're located right between the Rocky Mountains,
the Selkirk Mountain Range and the Purcell Mountain Range. So

(44:35):
we're very nestled into these huge mountain ranges that are
very also considered very spiritual and by a lot of
the indigenous in our areas as well. We have a
lot of first nations in the area that have very
sacred grounds as well, and so you do hear a
lot of different a lot of different spirits from locals

(44:57):
out in this area, which just you know, kind of
helps to make you feel like, okay, yeah, like I'm
not Sometimes you just feel crazy. I think that's why
we don't talk about these experiences a lot, and we're
selective with who we talk about them with because I
don't think anybody wants to be considered crazy. But yeah,
those are those are my stories so far in my life.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Interesting, some interesting ones there.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, right, Like they're just it's, like I said, been
scattered throughout my life. I've never had anything like super
traumatic or terrifying, you know, to scare me away from
a lot of this stuff. In fact, as I get older,
I just become more intrigued with it.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
You know.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
I'm still somebody who does believe in the Catholic faith,
but I am also very open minded to the unexplained things,
you know, I think for me growing up in the
Catholic Faith, you know, I was always believe, taught to
believe in something I can't touch or see, and so

(46:01):
for me, it's it's an easy connection to be like, well, yeah,
there's something else. There's more to this. There's just more
to the black and white picture that a lot of
people try to paint our world.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Absolutely, and you know, you're right. Nobody wants to get
labeled the local nut by, you know, by sharing these stories.
But you know, yeah, everybody has them, and everyone knows
if they haven't had something, they know someone that has.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yes, absolutely, and it's nice connecting with those people and
hearing their stories. It's what I love about your show.
It's the individual telling their story and you can hear
their emotions, you can feel their experience through their story
because it is so genuine to them. And it's what

(46:48):
I love about listening to your podcast. You don't get
this feeling that it's just somebody trolling, you know, for
a little airtime. It's these people who have had these
amazing and interesting encounters and I'm so open to hearing
it all. For me too.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
I love hearing white people's accounts, and I love some
of the backstories people have as well, you know, especially
when it's era based, when it was in the sixties
and seventies, eighties, nineties, you know, and there's a little
bit of character in there as well. You know, I
enjoy that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Oh absolutely, I love hearing that stuff. And you know,
I think as we move through time, people are becoming
more acceptant of it. I think people are starting to
also not ignore their experiences or experiences that others that
they know and trust and love have had, Whereas things
back in the sixties and fifties were very taboo and

(47:44):
if you had these stories, you kind of were labeled
the town nut and then discredited unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, that's absolutely right, That's absolutely right. And you know,
I think you're the first encounter we've really paranor more
accounts with that which has been in a ski resort,
So I think it's the first time.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah, And if you talk to other long term ski
resort employees, they'll tell you the same for it, regardless
of where they work. And I think that is just
due to the fact that, unfortunately, there are fatal accidents
that happen at these locations, and I do think sometimes

(48:27):
people don't know when they've passed on, you know, necessarily.
I think there's a lot we just don't understand to
after this life, you know, like I believe that our
energy continues to exist of course, you know, I was
brought up with the heaven and hell concept, and I
do believe in an afterlife. You know what that entails.

(48:47):
I'll find out, I'm sure. But I just think there's
there's so much that we don't understand, and maybe we're
not meant to and that's I mean, I kind of
like that. There's a little bit of magic in that.
I think everybody needs a little magic in my life.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, I agree. Ski resort. You know, you're right. It
is a dangerous place. I've snowboared before. It is fast
and it's dangerous, and I imagine on a ski resort,
you know, people are going at some considual speed, you know,
and there's trees in the way, and if someone was
to have an accident, which you know, which they do
in these places, then yet it would be very quick
and they probably wouldn't even know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Absolutely, Yeah, And I do think that happens sometimes, you know,
you just suddenly pass away and I don't know if
your soul just doesn't recognize that, or there was something
you were supposed to finish doing, who knows, you know.
I'm always open to people's ideas and thoughts behind that

(49:44):
I think it's just such an interesting topic. But you know,
and I love hearing people's near death experiences and you know,
if they've had an experience and what they've experienced in that,
whether it be that they saw a light or whatever.
I think, you know, every is unique to the individual.
But I just think there's a lot more than you

(50:04):
know this, you know, the image that gets very painted
by a lot of people, you know, just because I
think not knowing something and not understanding something leads to fear.
And I think as people, what we tend to fear,
we tend to avoid because nobody likes to be scared.
So and movies and TV, you know, they certainly play

(50:27):
up things, you know, just for the sole intention of
capturing their audience, but they really, I think, glorify things
that aren't really true. You know that paranormal experiences, albeit,
people definitely do have some terrifying experiences, but it's not
it's not like these ghost hunter shows, if you know

(50:47):
what I mean, where they're always like invoking, you know
and antagonizing you know, these bad spirits.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
I think that's just a lot of television entertainment and
not what the majority of us are experiencing the.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
TV exactly the TV. Yeah, to our listeners are there.
If you've heard free knocks, it doesn't mean it's a demon.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Well, and that's exactly it. You know, television certainly brings
people to you know, an exorcism looks like you know
the Exorcist that you know, the original Exorcists that comes
down that it doesn't look any different. And yeah, like
you said, three knocks means it's a demon. And you know,
I definitely believe in good and evil. I do fit,
but I also think on the evil side of things.

(51:32):
You know, it's it's a little bit more clever than
three knocks or three scratches or they.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Always go on to TV and they say the free
knocks is the mocking of the Trinity. Yes, my Amazon
guy knocked today and that was free knocks. But I
answered it. I answered it, you know, because I was
expecting it. But still you.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Didn't have a crucifix and a bottle of holy water.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
He's my usual guy, so he's okay. Now, it was
it was elemental you're you're thinking of the of the
Ancient Spirit.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Yes, yes, that's the name. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Elementals, Earth spirits, and yeah, you're right. They are ancient spirits.
I've we had one on our property years and years ago.
I never really had much to do with it, but
we did have a psychic lady which which came around
and said, you know you have you have an elemental here.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yeah, And that is my first encounter so far with
one of them, and I just thought, well, that makes
sense and cool.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I know in in Southeast Asia they have a thing
where you don't say you don't you don't pee on trees,
you don't urinate on a tree, because every tree has
a spirit that lives within the tree.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
So I like that. I like that thought. So respect nature,
and you know that's something that has always been a
part of who I am. I've always had an affinity
for nature and animals in general. Like I help with
a wildlife rescue at the moment, and you know, we

(53:07):
take all sorts of animals, birds, and we get deer
and elk and no carnivores at this time, just were
not set up for it. But you know, squirrels and
just lots of small mammals and birds. And I have
always been in a field where I have helped animals,

(53:27):
healed animals and I have always just felt so much
more connected to animals and the land than I do people.
You know, when I was having that energy healing session,
she said to me, she's like, man, you have so
many guardians. Yeah, I thought, so, you know, I feel

(53:47):
like I never feel alone. And she's like, no, she's like,
you even have animal guardians. There's not just angels and ancestors.
She's but you have so many animals around you. It's like,
I get now why I see all these birds, not
just in your current physical life, but in your spirit

(54:08):
world as Well's you were just very connected to you know,
the earth and that energy and the energy of animals,
and just like the interconnectedness of our planet and all
of that. She's like, I get a lot of visions
of healing. And I said, yeah, well, I mean, you know,
I rescue animals and help them heal and send them
on their way, you know. And she's yeah, she's yeah,

(54:28):
you're just a natural born healer, which has led me
to start looking into well, like, I mean, how do
you learn reiki therapy? And is that something I could
develop and do myself in the way of just you know,
helping these animals more. Is my thought helping myself and
people too. But I'm just always on the plane of
just helping the creatures around and no matter where I am,

(54:51):
animals will find me if they need help, they just
literally fall in front of me. Like I in twenty twenty,
before the pan pandemic happened, my family and I had
gone on a wonderful family vacation. There was actually like
twenty one of us that managed to get away, and
we went down to Jamaica and we're all just sitting
out on the beach, you know, having a good time,

(55:13):
and right beside me, a baby pigeon falls out of
the tree right beside me, and I look over and
I was, yeah, of course that happens to me on vacation,
all right. Then I literally went God Supplies and like
nursed the bird and then found like a local gardener
or something that could help. I mean, because this bird
fell from quite a tall palm tree. But a lot

(55:36):
of these gardener guys are pretty crafty at climbing trees,
climbing palm trees anyway, So yeah, he eventually got them
back up there for me. But I was just, yep,
still still helping out even when I'm trying to be
on vacation a day, that's right. Yeah, in the animal world,
it's not a nine to five thing outside of the

(55:56):
most random hours kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
And if they're in need, they're in these wonderful I mean,
anyone that hasn't got time for animals, you know, I
don't have time for you.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Absolutely, And if my dog is skeptical about you, I'm
going to be skeptical about you too. They know stuff, Yes, yeah,
they absolutely do. I mean, bless them, my dogs. I
think sometimes they're probably like God, she brought home another
animal again, since they have to get along with whatever
it is I bring into my house, and it's just

(56:28):
you know, they look at me like really, mom, like
I like dog to do little. You got it, absolutely,
And I wouldn't have it any other way, Honestly, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't give it up for any other life. But reiki.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
You know, I've only heard good things about raki. I
know quite a few of my listeners have taken it,
taken courses in reyki, and so it's good for healing
and helping people, especially if people have suffered trauma as
well in their life, you know, and have this baggage
that kind of needs to get cleared, which it does,
doesn't it. You know, you can't carry this stuff through
your whole life.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah, And that was just something I never even you know,
like I just didn't even know it was possible that
you could be carrying around somebody else's energy, whether it
be good or bad.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
And I and some of us, I guess, are just
a little bit more like velcrow to that. And that
that was me. And you know, I look back in
my twenties when I struggled emotionally, I felt very unsettled.
A lot of the time. I did a lot of
uprooting of my life because I just I didn't understand

(57:36):
what I was going through.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I quit my job and went back to college, and
sold my house and moved out of the province and
across the country. You know, my family's four thousand kilometers
away from me. But I, you know, I just there
was something that was just not it was in aligning
with my my belief, my life, or my energy. And
it started to get better when I moved out here.

(57:59):
You know, I started to break patterns that kind of
held me just kind of stuck in that energy. And
you know, common thing people out here say is, you know,
the mountains shall bring peace to the people, and absolutely
they do. I don't know what it is about the
energy of mountains, but they they really truly have this

(58:20):
way of humbling us. And I love that people out
here very much respect the land and seem a little
bit more connected to nature than you know, where I
was from, and just you know, living in a city
and just that city life and being very just you know,
your nature was the park where you took your dog

(58:42):
to after work. You know that that was that. And
you know, it wasn't till like I said, that pandemic.
Really it was kind of how I started to learn
about energy and unblocking things and letting go. And so
I always joked when the pain and deemic happened. I mean,
you know, it's been such a tumultuous couple of years.

(59:04):
I'm very much an introvert, and I think that is
stems from you know how I can very much pick
up people's energy, and i can walk into a room
and I'm very affected by the energy in that room.
So you know, I'm very much a homebody, and you know,
the beginning of the pandemic, I was just like living
my best introverted life. But you know I started to.

(59:28):
It allowed me though the time, you know, not being
at work as much, but you know, being able to
like really dig into myself and really dig into these
other ideas about how things are are are going and
connected and trusting my intuition to lead me on that
journey and not just like that seems very woo woo.

(59:52):
I'm not going to go down that avenue just being like, okay,
well let's be a little bit more open minded. What
is this Because like I said, I'm a science background
and my brain tries to be very logical a lot,
so it is fighting that logical side where I think
most of our brains try to go. Anyways, But I'll
say that since having that energy healing session and then

(01:00:14):
diving into learning about energies and you know, that whole
avenue of Laki is really helped to just let go
all that last little bit of negative energy that wasn't
mine and being able to now just like a recognizing
things and being like, okay, that's not mine, let that go,
this is mine, deal with it, and then move forward.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Exactly use to recycle bin get rid of this yes,
bad negative energy you don't need it exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Turn that into something positive and send it back out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Send it back out to the universe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
That's right, Yeah, put more good energy out there. You know,
I like to get rid of the negative, but I
don't want to pass it on to somebody else. We
try to transmute that into something positive so that it
goes back into the you know, like I said, energy
just doesn't cease to exist. So if I'm just I
think we got to learn recognizing negative energy, but don't
just get rid of it. Transmute it so that when

(01:01:11):
you let go of it, it's going out and it
won't cause anybody else harm.

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used to be an educator, didn't you about animal attacks?

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
So I used to educate about specifically grizzly bears. We
live in bear country here and I would share with
people basically how bears exist and you know, their their
m O in life and how they're surviving and thriving,
their challenges, the space that they need, the food that

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they need to eat. Because of course, you know, the
Western Canada and the Rockies is very tourism driven and
ninety eight percent of the people who will come out
here all say they want to see a bear. Why
do you come to Canada? I want to see a bear? Okay,
well do you know what to do if you ever

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encounter a bear? And you know a lot of people
it's funny. I think the common answer is, well, you run,
and I just have to run faster than the person
I'm with, you know, and I just think it's not
like I to laugh and they go. You know, you're
clearly not hanging out with people you love very much.
You just need to outright run the people you're with.
But you know, people with wildlife specifically just do some

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silly behaviors around animals, not thinking that they can get harmed.
And my biggest mission was to not tell people animals
are so dangerous and scary and you have to be
afraid of them and avoid them. My mission was to
teach people how to be smart about being around those animals,
because the way I look at it is, if I'm

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hiking or recreating in bear country, I'm in their home.
So I need to be respectful the way I would
be if I went to you know, my mom and
dad's house. You know, I'm not going to just put
my feet on the coffee table with my dirty shoes on.
You know, there's rules to every home and so I
would teach people the rules about being in a bear's home,

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which is the wilderness, you know, and bear attacks, yeah,
they happen, but maybe six a year in all of Canada,
and we do have bears pretty much right across our country.
So I just wanted people to be smart, you know,
not be attracting wildlife because of food and things like that. Ultimately,

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what I always saw here is, you know, if people
were misbehaving around wildlife, allowing wildlife to get human sourced foods,
those animals always ended up dead and those tourists never
saw the results of their actions. So you know, always
felt it was kind of my mission to be like,
you know, the voice for them and be like, look it,

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yes they can be dangerous, but they don't want to
they don't want to tangle with you. You're you're not food.
You're not on the menu. We're not that tasty of
a meal to most wildlife. So you know, don't chase
after them with your camera and put your food away.
And you know, if you're tent camping, don't have those
sorts of things in your in your tent with you,

(01:05:33):
and you know, clean up your campsites and you know,
just general general custodial manners when being in bear country,
just so that everybody could have a peaceful coexistence. You know,
you get to enjoy nature and the beauty around it
and the wildlife that lives within it, and they also
can continue to live there very tough survivalist lifestyles while

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you're there, and well beyond that you're you know, I
think a lot of people just they either really fear
predatory animals or they have zero fear of predatory animals,
and there's kind of not an in between, and I
just always just tried to find that middle ground for everybody.
You don't need to be fearful of them, You just
need to understand and respect them. And you also can't

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just walk up to them and you know, put your
kid beside them and take a photo, which they have done.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
So it's all about respecting the environment you're in. It
really is their environment. And I know I do have
a lot of listeners that that like to go track
in and go on walks and sometimes actually listen to
the show while they're deep in the wilderness. My advice
would be maybe maybe keep one of the earpads in
and maybe went out just so you can hear what's

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trading you behind you Be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Careful, absolutely, because you know, I do encounter people with
headphones in in the bush, and hey, I love music,
I love podcasts, but I also think that nature has
a really cool soundtrack, and I like to listen to
that soundtrack as well. Also, people don't realize how very

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silent bears actually are in the woods. They think, because
they're so large and cumbersome looking, it would be really
easy to hear them come through, you know, the brush
and the trees. But their footpads are like three inches thick,
so they have a very padded step, and they can

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easily distribute their weight amongst all their joints so that
you know they're not I mean, like if one walks
past you, don't get me wrong, you can feel the
ground move, you know. I've been blessed to, you know,
have a grizzly bear walk past me in quite a
short distance, you know, and nothing scary happened. I mean,

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she was literally just needing the exact same trail I
was on, and I was just kind of in her way,
just got out of the way and she just trotted
right past me, and I couldn't see her anymore, and
then I got back up on the trail. But they're
just so silent, you know, and they're camouflaged within nature,
so they're not easily spotted either. You know, people think, well,

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they're so big, how could you miss that out there?
But the color of their coat is designed to be
camouflaged to the background that they live in, so that
they aren't easily seen. You know, although there aren't any
other animals out hunting bears, we forget that. You know,
people hunt bears. You know, bears are considered a food
source for a lot of Canadians. Grizzly bears are not

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allowed to be hunted in Canada, but black bears are
hunted for food. And you know, bears are aware we
are the animal hunting them, so they really don't want
to encounter us any more than most of us want
to encounter that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
So if someone comes across a bear, what is the
best thing to do? Everyone knows about making yourself small?

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Now is it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Do you run away? Do you stop? Put you back away?

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
So with it depends if you're encountering a black bear
versus a grizzly bear. Black bears are smaller, you know,
they're usually not. I've seen some big black bears because
they've gotten into garbage dumps or local garbage sites, but
you know, usually they're not more than about three hundred pounds.
I mean, that's a large animal, but they're not you know,

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grizzly bears in this area. You know, they can they
can get upwards of a thousand pounds in the fall
when the salmon are spawning and they have access to
all that protein. But with black bears typically you just
kind of want to like, now, I don't have a
normal reaction whenever I see a bear. I'm always like hi,
and I don't like that's just my natural reaction is

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just to like say hi, as if I were to
see somebody at the grocery stores, as like hi, and
then from that reaction is my next reaction. So if
that bear just like looks at me and runs away,
I'm like, all right, cool, I'm clear to keep walking
down the path that I'm on. I've been given the
green light to stay where I am. If the bear

(01:10:08):
doesn't move along and kind of continues to check me out,
I do want to remain calm. I always carried bear
spray with me in bear country. It is a very
effective tool in the event that a bear decided to
charge you, and a bluff charge is an intimidating move,
and bears will run at you quickly and stop just

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a mere three four feet from you, and it's intimidating,
like there's no question about that. But it is designed
exactly to be intimidating, and what they're trying to do
when they do that is invoke a reaction out of you.
And that's why bear spray was actually invented. It was
invented for that instant where a bear charges you. You

(01:10:55):
spray them directly in the face with that bear spray
and it they'll stop that charge. A bear has one
of the most sensitive noses on the planet, and when
that spray hits their sensitive nose, it really just kind
of scrambles the signals that are getting to their brain
and then they're very uncomfortable. I mean, hopefully your listeners

(01:11:17):
have never had mace in the face, but it's similar
to that. It's just a more potent formula and it
is there's a bit of an oil to it so
that it's heavy. When you spray it out of the can,
it'll hold in the air for a number of minutes,
it'll make it through a bush, you know, if you
had to spray it through a bush. So you know,

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it's designed to be quite useful in a quick situation.
So you know, I'm never in bear country without that. Now,
in the event that a bear does charge me, you know,
and I spray my can off and they don't go away,
I'll spray my can until it's emptied. Rarely does that
happen that somebody needs to spray more than once that

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that bear doesn't take off. I talk to the bears calmly,
let them know, like I'm not a threat. You know,
if the bear seems curious, because younger bears that haven't
had life enough life lessons don't maybe necessarily understand how
to interact with us, and their curiosity can be perceived

(01:12:23):
as that they're not afraid of us. And bears have
to be taught to fear us. They're not born with
a natural instinct to fear us. You know. They have
to coexist with all sorts of animals, including other bears
out there. So they are really good at problem solving
it and conflict dealing. You know, Conflict in their world

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leads to injury, and that can lead to death. So ultimately,
these guys are really good at getting around conflict. Younger bears,
like I said, they're just curious and sometimes we'll get
a little bit closer. So that's when I'll get a
little bit more firm in my tone and just kind
of like, hey, you know, go away. I'm not interested
in back off. And now really what you say doesn't

(01:13:03):
necessarily matter. It's more of the tone that you're inflecting
towards them. If it was a grizzly bear, it would
be different. You know. Of course, if I had my
can of bear spray with me, that's going to be
in my hand and ready to be used. But if
a grizzly bear is intent on actually harming, I will

(01:13:23):
actually play dead. That's where that rule of like you
just want to drop to the ground, protect your extremities,
and play dead. And that only because with a grizzly
bear you're not overpowering them, whereas with a black bear
if they were intent on actually attacking. I was always
trained to fight back with whatever I could, whether it

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be a large stick or a heavy rock, you're to
fight back. And there's a lot of stories of people
who've been attacked by black bears and did exactly that.
They fought back, managed to put the bear on the defensive,
and then the bear is like, no, that's it, I'm
out of here now. I mean, not an easy situation
to be in by any means, but you certainly don't

(01:14:07):
want to run. And the reason you don't want to
run is because if they weren't going to chase you running,
we'll just invoke a natural game of chase. Our dogs
will exhibit this at home. You know, you run from
them in the backyard and they're like, oh, you're running
for me. I'm going to chase you. Any predatory animal
if you run from them, they're just going to get
that you know, invoked game of chase going. So you

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never want to run. But also most importantly, you're just
simply never out running a bear. As big as they are,
they can reach a speed of about fifty kilometers or
thirty five miles per hour, and they can cover that
a large area of ground in a very short period
of time. And interestingly, as big as they are, they

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can hold that speed for over a mile, so you know,
it's not these little short bursts of speed and then
that's it. I mean, they can endure a good run.
They are considered one of the most successful solitary hunters
on the planet. Grizzly bear is being able to take
down large game like moose and elk or deer on

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their own. You know, they're not a pack animal, they're
not family oriented. You know, a cub will only be
with her mother bear. The father is never around. Male
bear is posed one of the biggest risks to young cubs.
So it's just being very aware of your surroundings, knowing
whether or not you're in bear country, a black bear

(01:15:36):
country versus grizzly bear country. Identifying their key food sources,
which is ninety percent plant matter, and being a noisy
human is the best way to avoid ever encountering a
bear at all. You know, if you're just making noise
as you're you know, hiking or trekking or whatever, that's

(01:15:57):
just going to alert them to you being around. No
one's going to be surprised, and then you're not going
to have, you know, an interaction that is you know,
fear based, because more than likely, if they know you're coming,
they're going to move out of the area and you'll
not even know that they were there. And if they

(01:16:17):
don't want you there. They're not going to leave, and
that's your que to be like cool, So I'm I'm
not allowed here, I'll leave. I've had that happen where
I've just come across bears, or it was a black bear,
and he was just really intent on eating this patch
of dandy lions. It's an important source of vitamin C
for them early spring. And he didn't want to leave,

(01:16:40):
you know, like he wasn't aggressive, but he knew I
was there. He looked at me dead on and he
just didn't leave. So I thought, well, all right, I
guess I eat then. And I didn't turn around, and
I didn't turn my back on him because I just
didn't want to, you know, not have him within my
eyesight in case he got curious about me. So I

(01:17:01):
just backed out of that area until you know, the
brush in the trees kind of obscured his vision of me,
and then I just you know, turned around and went
back where you know, the direction i'd come in. So
all my encounters with bears have always been very gracious.
They're really under I don't know if they're understanding, but
they're very accepting of you know, just how clumsy and

(01:17:24):
kind of foolish. We can be out in the wilderness
and they really just don't want any trouble, you know.
And you see that even, you know, in the news
when there's a bear in the middle of the road
and she's got her cubs with her and everybody's you know,
out of their vehicles with cameras and they're close, you know,
and I think most of us see that, going what
are these people doing? But if bears were the violent,

(01:17:48):
unpredictable animals that they're so tailored to be in in
media and movies, then those situations would end a lot
more differently than they do, and they often end with
no one being harmed. Those bears move along and eventually
across the road and somebody's taken about a thousand photos
of them, you know, So and that's that's kind of

(01:18:11):
you know, what we like to see as people shooting
bears with their cameras and not the other way around,
shooting bears out of defense because of misunderstanding or mismanagement
of livestock.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
And that's wonderful advice, you know. I really hope that,
you know, helps help someone out there. And yeah, if
you get into contact with a bear, put down your
picking a basket and slowly back away, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
And that's it too. If you've got food on you
and they're kind of interested, like you let the food go.
It's okay, you can u a grocery store here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
It's no big deals. What's a couple of twinkies?

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Absolutely, it's it's the people who intentionally feed the wildlife.
You know. You see videos of people like hand feeding
sandwiches to bears, and you know, and they think it's
funny and they think it's great, and it's like you
have just handed that bear a death sentence. You know,
bears of a masters of finding the most easy food,
that's what they want. I mean, I love an easy meal.

(01:19:03):
I don't know who doesn't. And you know, if bears
make the association that people mean a handout, either through
garbage or physically being fed, they'll return and return and return.
And this is where we see bears that get destroyed
in the news because they just they're just looking for
that handout. And it worked once, so why wouldn't it

(01:19:25):
work again? You know, they do what works, not what doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
And that's what a sign of all don't feed the wildlife.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
That's yeah, And that's exactly it. And I think if
most people understood that, because you know what, they're amazing
to see. I understand why people want to see them,
but we definitely those of us who live in Bear
country and appreciate their role in nature, we just want
to see them continue to, you know, play out their
role and allow have people generation after generation be able

(01:19:54):
to come to these beautiful areas and experience that magic
for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Good job, well, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
I get so sucked into your episodes and they're just
like such a great fit, like for me. Like I said,
I'm alone a lot at night, so they're just such
a great thing to help me get through a shift.
And listening to people's stories are just awesome. So you know,
I'm now I'm all caught up. I've listened to all
your episodes that you have released so far. So now

(01:20:22):
it's me on the week going okay, what's next.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
I had an email of a guy a few days
ago and he said, you know, I listened to all
your episodes, so then I had to try and find
another podcast to listen to until you know, Sunday into it,
like a new episode comes out, he goes, But I
tried him, but I didn't like it, so I came
back and started listening to it into the old archive
episodes again. So it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
I share his sentiment. Yeah, I share his sentiment because
I've been the same. I've been trying a couple other
podcasts and I'm like, as it's just not the same.
It's not the same. You've got a good energy about
your podcast, for sure, and it definitely the way you
introduce every and tie everything together. It's got a good flow.
So keep keep it up. You're doing a great job, Nicole.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
I really appreciate you for coming on and sharing those
experiences with our listeners today.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Thank you very much for having me and as I said,
keep up the great work because I'm a listener for
as long as you have this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Going, and Judy from my guest, it's going to be
a long time yet awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
That's great because you know what, keep the stories coming.
It keeps me entertained.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
That's wonderful. Okay, you take care and you enjoyed the
rest of your day.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Thank you so much for you as well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Okay, take care, I'll talk you soon, you bet.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
A big thanker to Nicole for sharing tonight and thank
you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,