Ep.360 The Number 13

In tonight's episode, Jason joins us from the UK to share strange events that began in a house marked by footsteps, shadow figures, and an out-of-body moment floating over London rooftops. As he grew older, the experiences followed him: lucid dreams that later connected to real events, unexplained nosebleeds shared only with his youngest son, and a pattern of synchronicities tied to the number 13.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you want to report a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We don't want to report every thirty one. Do you
wish to report a.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:12):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Areas thirty one.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
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time areas thirty one? Me neither there. See if it
was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty seconds ago,
we were sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI

(00:36):
the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, I'll
just passed over. I got I don't know what it was,
but it's from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,
I passed out over the top of us.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
You just called up to me be four. They're after
staying the airplanes here to God on an.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Unidentified object every liberty or call or calm on an
unidentified flying object.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:47):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO
Chronicles Podcast. In tonight's episode, Jason joins us from the
United Kingdom to share strange events that began in a
house marked by footsteps, shadow figures, and an out of
the body moment floating over the London rooftops. As he

(02:09):
grew older, the experiences followed him lucid dreams that later
connected to real events, unexplained, nosebleed shared only with his
youngest son, and a pattern of synchronicities tied to the
number thirteen. Jason is up next, but.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
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Speaker 3 (02:44):
Now on with the show, Jason. Welcome to the podcast
by Nick.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
You are more than welcome. It is great to have
you on today. And you're calling from the United Kingdom.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yes, yeah, In Surrey.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Okay, Jason. Now, Jason, you have some experiences you're going
to be sharing with us. Would you like to start
the beginning please, sir.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah. So before I start, let me just kind of
tell you a little bit about myself. Now. I'm not
really a religious person as such. I used to go
to Sunday School and stuff like that, but I never
really followed any kind of religion. But I do believe
that there's more to life out there than than what
we experience now, than this physical kind of life. I

(03:42):
do believe that. And I also believe that things happen
for a reason. I think not that our life is
predetermined already. It could be, I don't know, but I
believe that things happen for a reason. So when something happens,
it was supposed to happen, and it was supposed to
happen like that. So because of that, there's been times

(04:03):
throughout my life where I've had a sense of deja
vu on occasions, or even kind of heightened senses where
you know, I just feel a little bit different or
kind of kind of cotton onto things a little bit
more than other people. And the other thing I would
say is that I think I believe that both the

(04:27):
paranormal and UFOs are linked in some way. They're not
two different phenomenons. I think they are linked in some way.
I don't know whether it's because of the kind of
spiritual or mental states, but there is some sort of
a link, I believe. So there's lots of synchronicities that
I'm kind of aware of which happened around me. So

(04:51):
for me, these synchronicities tend to revolve around the number
thirteen for some reason. So as an example, I used
to live at the number thirteen. One of my cousins,
my third cousin, was born on the thirteenth. I've got
four kids, of which I've got one daughter and three sons,

(05:12):
So you know, all of these things kind of sometimes
equal thirteen, and it's just just bizarre. And I've got
a couple more examples, which I'm going to talk to
you about in a little while, as well as that,
I've had a number of lucid dreams throughout my life,
which some are more significant than others. But when I

(05:34):
have these dreams, it's almost as though I can I
feel them, I see myself in them. It's not just
like you're dreaming it seems to be a little bit
more than that. So for me, this all kind of
started when I was living in my grandmother's house. So
I grew up with my grandparents and my mum and
we used to live with my grandparents in their house

(05:56):
in London, which was the number thirteen. Within this house,
we always used to hear what I always used to
hear noises around the house, like footsteps going up and
down the stairs, sometimes banging, So we thought the house
was haunted. And so one occasion when I was younger,

(06:17):
it must have been when I was in primary school,
because we leaved at my grandparents' house. It wasn't that big.
I used to share a bed with my mum, and
one evening I woke up and I said to my mum,
who's that standing at the bottom of the bed And
she turned to me and just said this no and
me just go back to sleep. And that was that.
But I know that there was someone or something, a figure, shadow,

(06:42):
something at the bottom of the bed. So that was
one of my kind of experiences after that which kind
of started this off, was I had a dream that
I was floating above the house, above the roof, and
I could see like the top of the roofs, and
then I kind of flew over a hospital which was nearby.

(07:05):
And the strange thing was I could see it like
what looked like generators on the top of the the
hospital roof or they could have been a conditioning units.
I don't know. But why would I know that at
such a young age, You know, that's certain things were
on top of these these buildings. It was bizarre. I

(07:25):
don't know where I went or what happened after that.
I just remember floating and kind of gliding above some
roofs and that was it. A little while whilst living
in my grand's house, she had the house blessed and
then after that everything stopped. There was no more noises,
no more footsteps, no more shadows, nothing. So again I

(07:46):
don't know what that was about later on in life,
So that was it during my primary school. Later on
in life, we moved into a flat, also in London,
and we used to live on the ninth floor of
a high rise block. And one night I dreamt that
I was falling off of the top of this building
to where I was living. And I don't remember hitting

(08:10):
the ground or anything that I just just from falling
and that was the dream. That's all I can remember
from that dream. And then it turned out that weeks
later somebody actually jumped off of the opposite building and
you know, ended up dying, and so I found that Bazarre.
I did tell people about that when it happened, but again,

(08:30):
I don't know how much people kind of believe what
you say. And there's a lot of things that that's
happened that I haven't really told people about because I
don't know who will believe what really, you know, it's
quite strange. Also throughout my life, I've had that I've
suffered from those bleeds from an early age, and you know,
I could just be on the train and all of
a sudden my nose had start bleeding heavily and you know,

(08:53):
take a while to stop. And so those bleds were
something which I kind of suffered with throughout childhood and
I don't know why. But more recently, my third son,
my youngest son, he also suffers with those bleeds and
we've taken him to the doctors. He's had his nose quarterized,
but he also gets heavy nose bleeds as well. None

(09:14):
of my other kids suffer from those bleeds, just him,
which again is just a bizarre thing. I've also more
recently had a couple of strange occurrences happen. So back
in October twenty eighteen, I was coming home from I
think it was from work or something, and I saw

(09:37):
some strobing lights above our neighbor's house next door, and
so I kind of stopped and I was looking to see,
you know what is that. There was no sound, so
it wasn't like a cherone, it wasn't an aircraft. So
I took out my phone and I started to record
these lights. And within the video, you know, it's not
the best video because I was trying to zoom in

(09:58):
and zoom out, so there's a little bit of store,
but you can clearly see that above the chimney of
this house there is what looks like three lights flashing
in succession, not rapidly, not continuously. It's just every now
and again they would flash. So it's not like how
an aircraft lights work, or a drone, which is which

(10:22):
has a constant light that flashes. It was just like
a beacon every now and again. And in the video
you can also see later on an aircraft fly past
and you can hear it you can see that lights
are different, and so that was a strange experience that
I had. More recently, we went to Spain and we've
got villa in Spain really nice. It's in the middle

(10:45):
of nowhere, so it's no light pollution and it's really dark.
You can sit there and watch the stars. It's really nice.
But my wife took a picture just above the pool
and captured this what looks like a kind of turkvoise
or in the sky. It wasn't there at the time.
We didn't see it. It's just when she took the

(11:05):
picture it was there. So when you see the picture
which I sent to Unique, you can clearly see this thing.
I also took a couple of pictures on my phone
using my camera in the opposite direction towards these mountains
that we have in the background, and in the two
pictures that I took, you can also see this kind

(11:26):
of turquoise colored orb in two different places in the sky.
So it's clearly moved from one place to another. And
again when I took the pictures, I couldn't see I
couldn't see it. It was just it wasn't there. It's
only when we looked at the pictures, we could see
these things. So I've had kind of those kind of

(11:47):
strange experiences happened. But again going back to the kind
of lucid dreams and what I said about dreaming that
I fell off of the building, et cetera, I've had
more kind of lucid dreams recently. I don't think I
after secondary school. I don't think I dreamt for a

(12:10):
while or remember the dreams that I had, But more
recently I have. So as an example, when we was
in Spain just a couple of weeks ago, I had
a strange dream. People say that dreams mean things, and
I'm sure they do, but when they're bizarre like this,
it makes you wonder what you know, what these dreams

(12:31):
are about. So I had on this particular night in Spain.
Was I was in, it was like a courtyard garden
of a building. It was either a palace or like
a home or a big house. But this house had
this beautiful garden enclosed by a wall. Now, the house

(12:51):
itself in my dream belong to somebody who didn't live there,
so it was like they had it for tax purposes
or something. So they didn't live there, but they owned
the house. So it was kind of empty. And then
outside of the house, the walls on the outside of
the house were almost like shipping crates or a kind
of shipping yard, so it was a very different contrast

(13:14):
to what was inside. And I couldn't help thinking that,
you know, there's all this beauty inside this house, but
nobody can see it, and nobody even knows it's there
because of the outside of this building. Then within my dream,
for some weird reason, I had to not physically myself,
but I had to paint the walls of this house
a different color to make it not look so bad.

(13:37):
So I had to I painted it like a gray
teal blue color. Then the next part of my dream
was that I was in a hall, like a school hall,
with a stage, and on this stage were uniforms, so
not not like police uniforms and stuff like that, more
like work with and I had to for some reason

(13:58):
try and stop people from taking too much of the work.
Were to make sure that, you know, everybody had a piece.
But what's significant about this dream is that after that,
two of my colleagues from work current work appeared in
my dream, and that was the end of it. And
so that was when we were in Spain, and then
a couple of days later when I got back to

(14:20):
the UK, and you know, I was working from home
that day, so I turned on my laptop to look
in and who messaged me was one of the people
in my dream. So you know, I have these kind
of bizarre connections which which don't make sense. Coming back
to another dream that I had recently as well, now,

(14:40):
when I spoke to after I spoke to Eunich and
we said that, you know, we was going to have
this conversation and I was going to come on to
your show. I was trying to remember some of these synchronicities,
like the number thirteen and stuff like that, and I
went to bed that night fell asten and I within

(15:01):
my sleep or my dream, I was thinking about these
different events and some of the things that have happened,
so I could talk to about them now. But the
bizarre thing about this one was that I woke up.
And this has happened on a couple of occasions I
woke up. I'm quite a heavy sleeper as well, but
on this occasion I woke up at I woke up

(15:23):
at three forty six exactly. And when you add those
numbers together, what did they add up to? Thirteen? Again,
it's just another bizarre synchronicity within that. Before I woke
up at three forty six, I think I said that
particular dream again was another bizarre dream where I was

(15:44):
at a party with I think my wife, and it
was a kind of a work party. But the strange
thing was that we had to go to this party,
but we had to go up an escalator to get
to the floor that this party was on, and at
the top of the escalator was another colleague from work,
who again I don't know why these people appear in

(16:04):
my dream, but this particular colleague recently told me that
she was couldntant, So I don't know whether the party
was like a like a like a baby shower or something.
I haven't got a clue, but anyway, she was standing
at the top of this escalator, and when we got
off the escalator, it was facing the total opposite direction
to where the party was, so we had to kind
of work our way round. Again. I don't know why

(16:28):
why I had that dream or what it was about,
but that was when I woke up at three forty six,
trying to remember synchronicities to talk to you about. And
then the final one was last was this morning actually,
so I went to sleep last night and the dream
I had again was so bizarre. It was kind of

(16:48):
split into three different sections. And so the first part
of the dream was my wife and.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
I were I don't know where we were, but we
were getting into a car and a friend or a
couple were coming towards us to talk to us, and
my wife was saying to me, no, no, no, we can't
talk to them.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
We've got we've got to go. And so the lady
of the in the couple managed to get to us
and was talking to me, and then my wife drove off,
and so we kind of I don't know she she
must have been like on the inside of the car
or something, and we kind of carried her up the
road where then you know, she was talking all that way,

(17:28):
and then she got out and realized that her partner was,
you know, down the road, so that kind of stopped.
The dream then kind of transgressed merged into something to
do with a family. I was in this family, not
not part of the family, but I was in their

(17:49):
presence and they had got a adopted or got which
way to look at a stray dog from like a
dog home, and its a white bulldog. It was quite
an old bulldog, which was quite quiet, you know, it
wasn't very energetic. But this part of the dream took

(18:12):
place in like the living room, and for some reason,
we're all sitting around on a couple of sofas on
each side of the room. The dog was sitting in
one place. There was a cat, and then all of
a sudden, a mouse appeared and was running around the floor.
Then the then the cat chased the mouse and then

(18:33):
got it in a corner of the room. And there
was another dog which then tried to get the mouse
off of the cat, and then the bulldog started to
fight with the other dog. And the only how we
can get the bulldog off was to use like a towel,
you know, when you kind of whip a towel, and
that kind of stopped the dog from from from fighting.

(18:56):
And then that was that section of the dream. And
then the last section of dream was even more bizarre.
It was that I was sitting on the back of
either a toy train or a tram something that kind
of size, and behind the tram was a boy, not

(19:19):
the gun. He might have been a teenage boy. I'm
not sure, but there was a boy and he and
myself were flicking pink paint at each other as this
kind of tram was driving, so he wasn't on it.
He was kind of running behind it. And then the
tram slowly took again speed and kind of carried on,

(19:39):
And because he couldn't get on the tram, he then
climbed onto the back of what was like a service lorry.
And there was two of these service lorries following the
tram for some reason, and so the tram carried on.
The boy was on the back of the service free
and there was the other slotry driving behind it. The

(20:03):
tram itself seemed to the driver seemed to kind of
accelerate and start to go too fast. I thought the
tram was going to come off the tracks at one point,
but it didn't, but that's how fast it was going.
And so it carried on. One of the service lorries
reversed into a driveway and stopped, and then the second one,
which the boy was on, stopped and was also want

(20:25):
to reverse into the driveway. But as it kind of
started to reverse, the boy jumped off the bat and
ended up going underneath the lorry. I think it was okay.
I don't think it was crushed or anything like that,
because the lawry was quite high off the ground. But
he went under the lorry and that kind of startled
me and I woke up. The bizarre thing is when

(20:47):
I woke up, it was five seventeen this morning. And
when you add those numbers together, what do they make?
So again, I've got all of these bizarre inicities with
the number thirteen, which don't really make you know, don't
really make sense to me. There was a point as well,

(21:09):
and kind of jumping back a bit. This must have
been twenty fifteen, I think, where there was all of
that talk about the Mayan calendar and the end of
the world on all of that, and I saw something
in the news about a scientist that was looking into
the mind calendar and what effect it had in regards

(21:31):
to these dates, and I felt compelled to try and
reach out to this guy and say to me, you know, what,
what is it about the number thirteen and how does
that have an impact on the mind calendar. You know,
there is some sort of significance with it. I don't
know what it is, but I feel that there is

(21:51):
some sort of there's something, there's something in it. So
either that, you know people were saying when people said
that the the of the Mind calendar was the end
of the world, I was thinking more along the lines of,
is it that we're reading that calendar wrong because we're
not when I say, living in the right time. And

(22:11):
that sounds a bit bizarre. But whereas our calendar is
based off of twelve months, should it really be based
off of thirteen? And so I looked in into that
and I'm just gonna google, and it said that technically
there are thirteen planets. The Solar system has eight, which

(22:32):
is the eight that we know, but then there's another
five that are officially recognized as dwarf planets, which then
equal thirteen. Again, I just don't understand what this kind
of fixation with the number thirteen is. It makes no
sense to me, makes no sense to me. I think
that's itnic, I think that is all I've all I've

(22:54):
got for you today.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Good stuff, Jason. Interesting, So the number thirteen really sticks? Same?

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, I really don't know. Why do you.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Find yourself drawn to the number, say, if you're say,
choosing like a mobile or sym number or a car
registration like that.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
No, nothing like that at all, Nothing like that at all. Again,
I don't I don't understand this kind of significance of it.
But outside of that number, I did listen to one
of your episodes a couple of weeks back, and it
was called three forty three, and it was about a
guy who had lots of similar experiences to what I've

(23:33):
just explained, but he's went a little bit further than
what I've explained, you know, about lucid dreams and flying
and stuff like that. But listening to that and then
talking about mine, it just it's just bizarre. It's just bizarre.
As I said, I haven't really cold everybody this whole
kind of sequence of events because I don't know what

(23:54):
people would think, you know, who would believe me, who
would not. So it's good to be able to kind
of talk to you about this and kind of share
it with other people, because I'm I'm sure I'm not
the young person who has these types of experiences.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
No, you're certainly not. Say you're doing a lottery numbers,
would you ever be drawn to pick the number thirteen
or one and three or any combinations?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
I might do every now and again. But it's not
something that I'm as I said, I'm not drawn to
those numbers, not drawn to them. I don't know why.
I don't know why they kind of stick out him.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, I know what you mean. So it's not like
you're drawn to the number, but you just seem to
see it. Yeah, and when did that start? When did
you start seeing the number thirteen more?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
It's just something that's kind of always happened. As I said,
it's being living at the number thirteen, my cousin being
born on thirteen. It's just something that's just always kind
of been there.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I can say. Some people find the number unlucky.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, that's right. And I'm not superstitious in the slightest.
So I would walk under a ladder with fight if
I had to, you know, black cats come past me.
It's like, I'm not superstitious because of because of this,
because of the fact that I've had so many kind
of instance it's with this particular number.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
And it's funny how we see numbers more and more.
It's like I have very very light late nights and
sometimes I can be still working until three, four and
sometimes five o'clock in the morning and all of last week.
Got a cat that wakes me up every morning. He
mews in my face, and for a whole a whole week,
and in fact a couple of days this week as well.

(25:29):
He's woke me up at nine forty seven, bang on,
nine forty seven, bang on all of last week and
two days this week.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
It's bizarre. You know, I woke up on quite a
few occasions at three something. I couldn't I couldn't tell
you the exact dates because I haven't really record them.
It's only it's only recently, after listening to that last
podcast that I was just telling you about that I've
started to kind of record what time I've been waking
up recently, and you know, it's always around three something,

(25:59):
apart from last night, which was five.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, five seventeen.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah. You know.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
I'll be interesting to find out if if any of
our listeners out there which have had any weird synchronicities
when it comes to numbers, like Jason has you know,
shoo us an email, be interesting to see. The thing is,
I mean, we're surrounded by numbers. Everything we do, everything
we see is numbers, equations, all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Another weird thing is that I've always had a feeling
that I need to do something. There's something I need
to do, whether it's I don't know, help people or
you know, it's just this kind of impulse that I
feel there's something that I need to do. And again,
I just don't know why. I'm not an extrovert or
anything like that, but kind.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Of urges it.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, that could mean several things. It could mean that
maybe it's direction and your career and maybe like a
change of path which will go along those lines. Or
it could just mean something that you'll be on your
way somewhere and someone will need help and then you'll
be there.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, we'll see, has I said, I don't know. Always
I'm always trying to strive, So I don't know whether
it's my worst ethic or just the type of person
I am, but I always try and go over and
above or iways trying to help people. I was trying
to do what I can, but again, business disourge that
I feel that there's something that I'm supposed to do,

(27:18):
and I I don't know what. It's just a constant thing,
always been there. That's just something that I need to do.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Do you ever make a note of your dreams, do
you ever drop them down when you wake up?

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Only recently, only you know, the last the ones that
I've just explained to you. So a lot of the
time I don't remember them, or or I remember kind
of slithers of it and don't remember the whole thing.
But I've made a conscious effort to record the last
couple because I knew that we were going to have

(27:53):
this conversation. And the one, as I said, when I
was a young boy and I fell off the building,
that's just something that will just always stick with me,
you know.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, I bet, And you know I do always say
to people, you know, if you do have to start
having unusual lucid dreams, you know, make a note of it.
Sometimes you can see patterns, or sometimes you have a
weird dream and you write it down and then sure
enough it actually does take place in reality. We'd like
to ask you, Jason, when you do dream now you
mentioned that the apartment blocks, now did you actually dream?

(28:26):
Were they actually a real place you dreamed? The one
where you fell off?

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah? Yeah, So, as I said, I used to live
in a high rise block and there was a block opposite,
same same everything. I felt that I was falling off
of my block, so it's a real place. It was
a real thing that happened. But as I said, this
person fell off or jumped off of the opposite block.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Very change. I mean, when I dream, I never seem
to dream real places. It's always seems to be places
I kind of are vaguely familiar, but are not actual
really places.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, well again, you know, just like the one where
I said about this house and the wared God, I
don't know if that is a place or not. You know,
I've never seen it. I've never been there, so again
that might just be in my mind. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Disapartment block. Was it very rare that an incident like
that would ever happen?

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't recall anything like
that happening before apart from that one time.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Strange thing is, you know, if you do have these
dreams floating or anything, at least you can check on
Google Earth now to see if you know, these places
do exist. The weird thing is the only time when
I had a body experience was the only time it's
it was actually a real place. I actually did leave.
I was actually in my bedroom. That was one hundred
percent in real place. But when it comes to just

(29:47):
dreams or lucid dreams that I have, it's it never
seems to be or it never feels like it's a
place I recognize it. It's just like vaguely familiar.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, and I get that. As I said when I
when I dreamt, I was floating above roofs, because you know,
I kind of went at a small distance because where
my grand's house was and the hospital was probably like
a team minute walk. But that was that is an
actual place. And as I said, there was at the

(30:17):
age I was, because I was still in primary school.
There's no reason why I should know what the top
of a roof looks like or the top of hospital building.

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Speaker 3 (31:33):
And you mentioned your grand you said she had the
house blessed. Was there any reason to get it or
was it just like a normal thing?

Speaker 1 (31:40):
No, No, it wasn't a normal thing. Again, I think
it was because it was strange goings on that happened
in that house, Like as I said, the footsteps going
up and down the stairs. Sometimes you might hit banging
on the roof, but on the ceiling if it was
downstairs and there was no one there. I don't know
ifbody else actually saw anything like I did. Again, that

(32:03):
was just something that I said to my mum, you know,
who's that person at the end of the bed, and
she just, you know, kind of she just kind of
dismissed it. So I don't know if anyone else saw anything.
But after she had it blessed. There was nothing else.
There was no more noises anything, so.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
It seemed to have done the trig Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
And did you ever get the chance to talk to
you grand about some of the things that went on there?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I didn't know. Unfortunately, unfortunately she passed away now, so
I didn't get that chance.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
And you saw this figure at the end of the bed, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, I can't. I can't remember any kind of features
or anything like that. It was just a dark silhouette,
dark figure just standing at the end of the pit.
There wasn't anything malice, you know, it just and I
just turned around and went back to sleep and then
that was it.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
But you kind of felt that there was someone.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
There, physically saw someone there.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Like a shadow. You couldn't see any features or anything
like that.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
And did you feel there was something there?

Speaker 1 (33:02):
That I can't remember because again it was you know,
years and years ago. I'm wearing my fifties now, so
I can't remember if I felt anything at the time.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
So it wasn't like you were you woke up, I
have a sleep feeling that there was someone there, and
then you saw something.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Maybe maybe, as I said, I don't remember why I
woke up. I just remember waking up and seeing this figure.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
And in that house. Did you live there or did
you just stay there?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Quite a lot? I stayed there quite a lot. We
lived there at one point, but we was always there,
you know, with all my cousins and stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
And did you ever experience anything else there?

Speaker 1 (33:39):
No, that was it. It was just just those those things.
So that figure, the footsteps up and down stairs, you know,
the noises, the kind of clunks in the night, so
to speak.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
But that was it.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
And was that the first time you'd seen something like
that when you were younger? Do you remember, Yeah, that
was the first time.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
That was the first time, which again, you know, going
back to what I said at the start, which is
what makes me think that there must be some sort
of a link between the paranormal and UFOs. Now, I'm
not talking not some bolt crafts or anything like that.
I'm just talking that when you there are a lot
of people talk, they talk about connections, they talk about,

(34:23):
you know, a kind of mental state so to speak.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
I mean, that's the reason why we have the subjects
we do on this show. I mean, even though it
has UFO and a title, we tend to well I
tend to think that a lot of it is all connected.
So quite often you'd have someone which has UFO experience
and then for a life of also had paranormal things
going on, you know, vice versa, and you know the
whole synchronicities and coincidences. You know that again that's all

(34:50):
folded up quite neatly in this whole package.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, I very much believe that. As I said, I
believe things happen for a reason. You know, things don't
happen out the blue. There is a not a pattern,
not a pattern, but there is a reason why some
people will happen. It's just whether you take a decision
to move forward in a different direction or not.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, I go with you on that. Well, whether things
happen on a linear path that already predestined, I'm not sure.
Definitely does seem that we are taken in a certain
direction and exactly when it comes to opportunities or anything
like that. I always believe that, you know, you should
always follow it. If you're being led in a certain direction, you.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Know, go with it. Yeah, I believe exactly the same thing.
You know, That's why I say things happen for a reason.
So why I always kind of say to people, because
I talk to lots of people in regards to employment.
You know that their path in life, whether it's kind
of relationship and stuff. And I always say to them, look,
if an opportunity presents itself to you, take it, grab
it with both hands, because once that opportunity or that

(35:55):
door closes, you'll never get it again. If you take it,
it will only take you some we're off.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yes, that's exactly what I say. Go for it. Yeah,
don't be shy and thinker or maybe next year, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Do it, Yeah, because then it won't happen.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, they might not be there, you know, that would
pass and you know, go on to someone else. Probably.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, we're in the same mind mindset exactly.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
And Jason, would you say you're like a spiritual person.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Not particularly so, I'm not really like my bees. I'm
not really a spiritual person as such. However, I do believe,
I believe things. I do believe that everybody has some
sort of an aura about them. So another thing I've
kind of bound strange, if you want to call it,

(36:41):
that is young children, babies, they not tend to gravitate
towards me as such. But it's almost as though they
can see your energy, if that makes sense. It does,
and the same with other people. You know, you feel
people's energy, You can feel who who might be positive
or negative. So when I say about this kind of

(37:03):
heightened since that's kind of what I feel, that's kind
of what I feel what I see.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
So what you're saying is you're not all crystals and.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Beads exactly exactly. Yes, yes, not that there's anything wrong
with crystals and beats, Noah, of course not.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
No, we do, we don't want to. We do want
to offend our crystal, crystal and beat collectors out there.
But no, Yeah, when I say spiritual, it doesn't always
have to manifest in you know, the way you present yourself,
so to speak. And I know what you're saying. Yeah,
kids and animals, you know, seem to gravitate towards people,
which you know do show good energy.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, I very much believe that. I was going to say,
I also hope because I haven't really had a conversation
with him. But when I spoke about my my youngest
boy having those bleeds as well, I've never really talked
to him about it to see whether he's experience anything
or or fee feels any particular way. So maybe one
day I'll have a conversation and see, because again it's

(38:03):
just bizarre that only only him out of all four
kids is unusual.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, I mean how old is he?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Is?

Speaker 3 (38:11):
He still quite young?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
No, he's now you're going to test my pa knowledge.
He's now sixteen, going to be seventeen.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Okay, Yeah, so yeah he's at that age now, isn't he.
So he's he's probably more interested in do it, you know,
get into other stuff. But yeah, it's definitely something you
can kind of touch on with him because there might
be something else there. You could have experienced the same
roughly the same things along the lines of you know
what you have.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I'm hoping not, but yes, it's a possibility.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, because sometimes they do skip. I'm one of four boys.
My mother had loads of experiences. None of my brothers did.
None of my brothers have had anything but me. Yes,
So it's it's weird how it seems to seems to
do that.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, I'm not spoken to kind of any of my
family in any kind of great details. I don't know
if anyone else has had similar experiences. No one has
really said anything over the years. As I said, it's
not really something that you kind of bring up in
conversation as such.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
No, that is true. You know, are you interested in
the subject? Do you do you watch like TV?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah? Yeah, so, you know, since since I was small
I used to sit up and watch horror films with
my grand I've kind of got more found more interest
in kind of UFO stuff now, you know, I'm always
watching like the History Channel and all the rest of it,
because there's so much more out there that there must

(39:37):
be more. There must be there must be something to it.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Well, yeah, I mean, I mean you've you've experienced things.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Did the interest come from having experiences or did it?
Did you have this interest beforehand?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Now I would probably say the interests came from having
the experiences.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, which is which is quite quite often the way.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
And again to see well not even to see, because
I said, we didn't see them physically, but to see
the orbs in the sky captured on you know, on
the camera, but not by the naked eye. You know,
those kind of things are the strange.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
And is this an area of Spain where you visit
every year?

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, we've got we've got a house, a house there now,
so you know, we can sit under the stars and
watch movies and watch shooting stars. We've seen the starlink
go across the sky. We see lots of shooting stars
because it's a really clear part of the sky. I
can you even see like the Milky Way as well
as you know, constellations and stuff. But that those orbs

(40:37):
we didn't physically see. It was only captured on camera.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Or so you get to sit out next to the pool,
next to the pool and have a nice and clear guys.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, yeah, if there's no wasps, yes.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Very specific, no wasps. But what I'll do is you
send a video in and you send some pictures in.
So what I'll do is I'll put them under this
this episode on the website that people can go and
check them out.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Excellent. As I said, I apologize for my dodgy film.
And within that video you just kind of catch glimpses
of it and two or three times, but you definitely
can see it.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Well, let us know next time you go to Spain
and see if you know, you do catch anything else,
it might be even worth setting up a camera when
you're there.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
You never know, Yeah, I know, I know we've got
like video cameras around the property but never captured anything
on them.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Good stuff.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, thank you, it was great to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
It's great to meet you too, sir. It's it's always
good to speak to someone from the United Kingdom. That
episode you listen to, that was three forty three, I
think that was the very first one I did of
this year.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
I think it was this year. It was episode three
one five. I made a note of it because, you know,
it was just bizarre that a lot of stuff that
he experienced is the same things that I've experience. Apart
from because he was talking more about abductions and and
that kind of stuff. I've never I've never experienced anything

(42:04):
like that. I don't know whether my out body experience
me floating my nose believes. I don't know if any
of that's got to do with a kind of abduction.
I've never experienced to any kind of anything like that.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
When it comes to the body experiences, is that ever
something that you've you know, you've had, you've done it
once quite evidently, is that something you've ever explored? Maybe
you're meditating, you see if you can get into the
same state again and try it because you you know,
you've done it once already, obviously not intentionally.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I might I might have to try. I've never I've
never tried. I've never tried to. It might be something,
It might be something. Yeah, it's been great speaking to you, Okay. Likewise, Jason,
I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Thank you, Nick. It was great being on your show
and having the space to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
You're more than welcome any times, Jason. I'm only just
on the other end of the line. Do you keep
in contact all right and we will speak soon, sir.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Thank you, thank you, You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Take out bye for now, Jason. Well, that is all
for this episode. Keep updated and connect you with a
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(43:25):
big fang it adjacent for sharing tonight, and as always,
thank you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye.