August 23, 2023 • 49 mins
As many are gearing up for the new school year there are some school where the bell never rings. Spirits and spectors are stuck in detention for all eternity - or so they say. We explore three schools in Texas that have their own ghost stories. Don't be late for class!
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Right, everybody, welcome back.We're here with another episode of Unrefined for
you, and we're so happy thatyou're here with us. BJ is my
name with me as usual is Metra. We're very excited for you to join
us on this episode of Unrefined becausewe've got some fun things to talk about
gearing up for back to school,so we'll get into that for all the
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kids out there. Oh, Iwas gonna say, I was gonna say,
you're excited like you you are.I like it when my kids got
a school and I'm like, Iget spend like all this extra time with
him. I really look forward tothat. Then towards the end, I'm
like, you know what we've hadour you need to go back to school
to get that. Well, it'sjust hard to entertain them all the time,
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Like I just cannot entertain you twentyfour seven, which I'll say,
my kids are older so they canentertain themselves, but still it's a lot
more entertaining. I'm just like,I feel like every day we're just running
around doing stuff and I don't getto do what I need to do because
I work from home. And it'slike, yeah, it's and it's been
so hot too, and I'm like, do we have to leave the house
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it's so hot? You do youhave to go out into it. You
have to immerse yourself. You don'teven want to like leave. I'm like,
whatever, we do what we needto do it in the morning because
I'm not going out past noon.It's hot, guys, exactly. Work
your guys though, And we're excitedthat you're here with us. And if
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ready to get into this episode.I'm sipping out of a teenage Mutant into
Turtles tonight. While we're doing this, well, I coughed. I thought
I hit the mute You didn't.You didn't. I could clearly tell that
you thought that you hit the mutebutton right there and you didn't, because
you're like, we're looking at likeyour hand is scrambling and you're like,
okay, okay, because I've usedit a different laptop and I usually have
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like the external mouse, so nowI'm using the one on here, and
I thought I pushed it and Idid not, so you did not know.
It was funny though. But anyway, what I was saying is I'm
using a teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle coffeemug, and the teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
on this coffee mug, of course, are the ones that Metra and I
grew up with, as I'm suremany of you grew up in the Turtle
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Power era, right Turtle Mania andeverything. I'll tell you this. I
just went and saw the new TeenageMutan Ninja Turtles with my two kids.
They're they're seven years old and fouryears old, and they absolutely loved it.
Now, I had already exposed themto Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in the
first place, them properly, Iam. Yeah, and the old video
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games because they've got a whole collectionon Switch. Now I've been playing those
with them and it's fantastic Turtles andI'm the Arcade game like all that stuff
like it's it's awesome. But thatnew movie, don't sleep on it,
folks. If you're looking to seea good movie and you've already seen Barbie
or Oppenheimer or whatever else, anddon't sleep on the Turtles. Man.
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That movie was good. It wasreal good. So and that is not
a paid endorsement. I'm just tellingyou, Seth Rogan did a fantastic job
making that movie. And you wantto know why you made that movie.
Yeah, Seth Rogan made that movie. It's all It's made by all these
people who grew up watching right,you know. And what's really cool about
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this one is that they really theywent younger on the Turtles. So the
Turtles are actually like teenagers. They'revery similar. You know, we're gonna
say once they're not teenagers or likepreteens between Well, I mean you watch
the Turtle. Yeah, I meanyou watch you watch the old cartoon,
and it's very much besides maybe MichaelAngelo's surfer dude, it's they so very
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much like they're in their late twentiesor thirties or something like that. But
it's also like it was like amature teenager. Okay, this time they're
not, and I have to applaudthem because it got It was really good.
It was really really good. Iliked it a lot. Anyway,
that's all I just want to tell. Okay, let's go see the teenage
Muting Turtles because I loved it.All right, can we do the show
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now? Talking? Yes we can. Yeah we can't. Episode number two
O seven by the way, sofor those of you keep in track.
Alrighty, So, since a lotof kids are going back to school,
like my kids are, I thought, why don't we do back to school
ghost stories? Okay, there's alot of haunted schools out there, so
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I picked a few. I didn'tmean to do this, but they're all
in Texas. That's the ones thatwe're fighting. We're in Texas and default
settings well, I think probably becausewe do a Google search. It's like
sometimes location based, I think,so they're just pulling up things that are
like near me. So anyways,there's some haunted schools in Texas. Okay.
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The first school is nets Elementary Schoolin Austin, Texas. I never
heard of this in Austin's only likean hour and a half away from me,
so this was really interesting. Yeah, so it was built in nineteen
sixteen and it became sort of likea segregated school for I believe Mexican Americans.
And I was trying to find moreinformation on this, and what I
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could gather is the school wasn't necessarilylike like it wasn't built like this is
for segregation, right, It justkind of happened that way because of the
neighborhood and nobody want to know,like, you know, the white Americans
didn't want to move into this neighborhoodthat was mostly of like Hispanics, and
then it just became like, youknow, a Hispanic elementary school, so
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white people. Yeah, and Idon't know if they like really like had
like strict rules about it. Idon't know, I couldn't really find like
enough information. But anyways, sotime goes by, segregation is not a
thing anymore, and they bust kidsfrom that neighborhood to basically the white neighborhood
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to have, you know, kidsof different races go to the different schools
or whatever. So while they're doingthat, the attendance rate at Metz Elementary
School starts to drop and they getlike no funding, and that's kind of
becomes like dilapidated or whatever, andthe parents start to protest, saying,
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hey, like, you need tofix this school. You need to make
it better. You know, youneed for our kids in this neighborhood.
We shouldn't have to be bust faraway. You need to make this school
nice, you know. So theydid that was in nineteen eighty nine.
The parents of the neighborhood doing thisprotest, so they renovated the school.
They decided, Okay, we're gonnahere's the plan. We're gonna renovate.
We're gonna tear down this school andon top of the grounds, we're gonna
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build this nice new facility or whatever. Okay, so it got past it's
to happen in nineteen ninety, thedemolition company goes to the elementary school to
start their demolition, and right awaythe workers start seeing and hearing children at
this demolition site. Now, Idon't know how demolition works. I mean,
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I don't think it's like they justput dynamite and just do it and
everything explodes. Like it's not likethat. Like they're slowly tearing things down
carefully as to no one gets hurt, right, and then taking things away.
So as they're doing this, they'rehearing kids giggling and laughing. They
the workers said they would go intoa room and it's like an empty room
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and you know, nothing's there,it's just an empty classroom. And then
they'd come back and they would belike writing on the chalkboard or drawings on
the chalkboard, and it was likecreeping them out. One worker plant,
yeah, right. One worker claimedto have seen a boy in the school
bathroom window looking at him. Iknow, so creepy. So the owner
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of the demolition company, Joe Torres, said, every time he went into
the school, his brand new wristwatchwould stop, and then when he would
come back out, it would startticking again. It was like really weird.
Bulldozers another heavy machinery would suddenly liketurn off and malfunction at the site,
and these were like perfectly fine before. You know, at other construction
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sites, a worker, Odo GutierisJunior was killed when a brick wall fell
on him. And some people thinkthat it wasn't an accident, that like
some ghost kids pushed the wall onhim, But I don't think that's what
happened. I think it was probablyjust like some terrible accident because it's a
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demolition site and it's you know,it's a dangerous area to be around,
so I don't think that's what happened. But the workers were all like really
freaked out at this point, sothey contact a person to come in.
They blessed the site with holy waterwhile reading from a prayer brook and they're
like okay, fine, you know. So they were able to get through
the demolition and the construction of thenew elementary school and everything was fine,
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but it's still haunted and there's stillall these ghost stories coming out of them.
And I was trying to figure outwhat the facility looked like compared to
the original, Like were the bathroomsin the same place and stuff, which
I'm going to assume they may havebeen because of the plumbing was already there.
Yeah, because they said the faucetswould just can like go on and
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off by themselves, the lights inthe bathroom would go on and off by
itself. And one of the peopleand I couldn't figure out if this person
was from the new school being built, or maybe they attended the old school,
but they said they also saw whenthey were in elementary school a little
boy that appeared suddenly in the bathroomand then vanished. Yeah, and they
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themselves are a kid, you know, and they just thought, oh,
that's weird, Like this kid haslike really weird old clothing on. And
the door was heavy to the bathroom, and they thought, how did they
disappear? Like how did they leavethe bathroom without me hearing the door because
it's so heavy, you know,you hear open and clothes. So two
days later, the same kid ison the playground plane and he looks towards
the school, towards the bathroom window, and he sees the same little boy
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looking at him through the bathroom window, and he thinks, it's really odd.
Why does that boy still have thesame clothes on? And in his
kid buying. He thinks, Wow, that's just that's really sad that he
has to wear the same clothes toschool, Like why is he wearing the
same clothes? Not thinking Oh,that's a ghost you know, so I
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slick to are you think, likewhat terrible thing happened to that little boy
in the bathroom? Like, Iknow they're right, it's really weird.
And I think the other hauntings,like the kids giggling and things like that.
I feel like that's just like residualenergy, because do you think about
like all the kids that are there, they're all little kids. So many
kids for so long, from nineteensixteen to nineteen eighty nine attended that school.
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You know, there's got to bea lot of residual energy there.
I think that imprinted and I thinkprobably stayed there. Yeah, but perhaps
this ghost boy is legit a ghost. The ghostboy could be legit. I
think, like the sounds and stufflike that, those could be like those
weird like moments in time that wetalk about all the time with all time
is happening once. Maybe they justhappened to be witnessing a moment, you
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know. Last why I wondered likeif the bathroom is in the same location
as before, like in my fourkids. He's like, Oh, maybe
I'll be somewhere different. Nope,I'm in the bathroom again. No,
can we visit that location? Well, here we go. Mets Elementary School
closed permanently in twenty twenty. Comeon the It was again the same thing.
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It was just like low attendance andthings like that, and it just
where wasn't a lot of people goingto school. They were allowing a company
to do ghost tours. So Ilooked up. I was like, oh
my gosh, they're doing ghost tours. And so I looked at all the
pictures and it's like super creepy becauseit's literally just make close in twenty twenty.
So it's like fully normal looking school. The desks are all there,
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everything looks normal. It looks likeat just a normal elementary school, but
empty, which is just creepy ashell. And I don't know if you've
ever been in elementary school like whenit's dark outside, which I have,
and probably anyone who's a teacher oranything or whatever they have. And I've
been to my kids' school many timesat elementary school when we were like it
was dark or like we used togo to do karate at our elementary school
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and the doors wouldn't be open andwe would have to get a custodian to
come open the door to the gymfor us to do it, and we
would just be like peering into theseempty hallways and they were dark and like
these long hallways, and I'd belike, yeah, I don't want to
look in here. This is likesuper creepy that. Why is it like
that? Why do we feel likesafe at these places? Is it because
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there's so many other people with us? And then at night were left to
our own devices. The I don'tknow, the elementary schools or any school
at night is super creepy. AndI think it's because they are always filled
and loud, and there's always lotsof people, and all of a sudden,
it's like nobody's there and it's emptyand it's just a long, dark
hallway and it's creepy. Anyways,these pictures were super creepy if mets elementary
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school, and I was thinking tomyself, I want to go. They
had an EVP on the website.I kept trying to play it and it
just would not play, and Iwas like so upset. I'm like,
I want to hear this EVP.Unfortunately, Austin ID has repurposed the building
now and it has been opening upthis year as like the Health Services Department
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of Health Services for Austin ID.So no more ghosts touring. But I'd
like to know, like when thoseworkers go there, they going to be
right, are they hearing? Solisten, we get a lot of listeners
that are in the You know whatworries south central Texas? Is that what
you'd say, can consider yourself,Yeah, South Texas. So for your
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sitting in the San Antonio Austin arealike kill Country, Like, let us
know, like if you've been tothat location and if you've ever seen or
heard if you went to that school. Yeah, if you went to that
school, let us know, likefor sure, email the show on Refined
Show at gmail dot com. We'dlove to hear from you. So,
you know, metro nostalgia is abig seller these days. Who doesn't love
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a walkdown memory lane? You know, I've basically been listening to the same
exact music since I was in highschool. That really doesn't shock me.
While some of us can't let goof the past, it is time to
let go of some of those things. Yeah, like rap rock. Never
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BJ Metrist you well, we're atelementary school. We're really gifted and talented
and smart. We're gonna skip middleschool. We're gonna go straight to high
school. Okay, all right,all right, Now, this is a
story that I wanted to talk aboutfor a long time, and this story
alone could be one whole show.All right. I'm gonna skip some of
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the some of the tidbits to getdown to the nitty gritty with it,
all right, all right, it'slike a true crimes It is a true
crime story. It's not like itis a true crime story. It's about
a crime happened at Odessa High Schoolin Odessa, Texas, shocking. The
auditorium at Odessa High School is saidto be haunted by a girl named Betty
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Williams. Her full name is ElizabethJane Williams, and she went by Betty
for short. I don't know why. I guess it was Elizabeth, And
then I've never understood by Betty isshort for Elizabeth? I always why is
Bob short for Robert or Richard?And Dick? I don't know where these
names came from. I don't getit either. So I first read about
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her story a few years ago inTexas Monthly. It's really crazy. It's
referred to as the Kiss and Killmurder. So Betty Williams was a senior
at Odessa High School during the nineteensixty nineteen sixty one school year. She
was very much like this drama theaterkid. And you know how they are,
they're like over dramatic. You know, they're usually very like liberal.
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That's how much. That's how shewas. She always had the leads of
the school play and had helps tobe like on Broadway or Hollywood. Yeah,
she came from a very poor familywith three other siblings and a very
very strict Baptist father. And youknow what happens when you have a very
strict religious father. Betty rebelled orshe did against her father. And just
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like society and like in general,she hated the whole like high school hierarchy
thing. The girls from their richneighborhood had their little clicks, and they
all dated football players, and theyall wore their boyfriend's letterman jackets, right,
which was like anybody out there thatenjoys that aspect of high school,
like the stupid, like you know, cast system that exists. It's it's
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so ridiculous people at top enjoy it. I guess that's true. I guess
that's true. I mean I didn'thave a bad high school experience. I
just like, I know, likethose clicks are It's just I hate clickste
no matter what. So did Betty. Yeah, she hated how they all
just wore their letterbend jackets and thatwas like the status symbol, like you
know, you're belonged to that guyor whatever, right, and that's what
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you wanted to It was like heclaimed you and he's acknowledging you in front
of everyone. Right. So Bettyhated those girls, but at the same
time, she wanted to be likedand accepted by them, and she needed
to be Like she needed that validationin her life, which honestly everybody wants
that. Everybody wants to be validated, right and accepted. She often would
go sneak out of her house atnight and hook up with football players in
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their cars. So these football players, they all had girlfriends, and they
would take their girlfriends out and theywould bring them back home at their designated
curfew times. Right, But thenthey would circle back around to like the
local drive in or whatever and pickBetty up for like a quick hook up.
Yeah. So the it's like thewhole team sucked with this one girl.
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It's it's I know, you knowwhat you get girl, you know
what high fives. I believe noneof these girls knew at the time that
this is what was happening. Theyhad no idea. So the summer before
her senior year, Betty fell inlove with one of the football players,
mac Harring. His name was,I believe, John mac Harring. He
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went by his middle name. Okay, he did not have a girlfriend,
so this was like, you know, it wasn't like he was she know,
his girlfriend, and he seemed toreally like Betty, but like I
said, there was this whole hierarchything and she was the one of the
poor kids, right, so shewasn't in it. And he was too
embarrassed to bring Betty out to likethe parties with the other popular kids.
He kind of hid her. Henever brought her home to meet his parents,
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and he never ever gave his lettermanjacket to her. Oh man,
what are really Yeah, he's amajor piece of shit. So anyways,
red flags, Right, He's justnot into you, Betty, like please,
well, aren't He was, buthe was afraid of what people would
think about I don't think he he'snot it. If you're into him,
you don't care. You stand upfor them. So of course all of
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this makes Betty feel like super badabout herself, and she craves to be
accepted and validated, right and I, like I said, everybody does.
So she comes up with a planto make him jealous and through that jealousy,
he will realize how much he lovesher. Right, So that's what
she's taking in her head, Betty. Yeah, so how does she make
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him jealous with hooking up with hisbest friend? And Mac catches them together
in their car and he breaks upwith her that fall. She actually wrote
him a note saying sorry. Sheliterally wrote the wrote the word hoorish,
Sorry for being hoorish. God.So the plan's only backfired, right,
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And now Betty is super depressed becausehe broke over there and she's thinking he's
the one. He was the one, right yea. And so not only
that, so things go really downsouth for Betty. Her senior year boyfriend
breaks up with her. She's totallyinto theater or everything. She gets all
these major parts for someone, youknow, like a sophomore or something.
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She was getting like all these partsthat usually would go to seniors and she
was getting them. So she wasreally good at acting. So the high
school hired a new theater arts teacher, and this teacher, for whatever reason,
didn't like Betty, and instead ofgiving her the lead in the school
play, she's made the stage manager, which is like a total total blow
to her like self esteem and everything. She's already feeling down right. Yeah,
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nothing against the stage crew like that, they get jobs done, but
if you when you want to bea star, you don't want to be
like on stage crew. So thenMax starts dating another girl, and Betty
like just can't handle it. Shegoes around telling everyone Mack is the one
that's her true love and she wantsto die now. And as if things
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couldn't get any worse, Betty's dadfinds her diary and reads about all the
sex capades she's had with the footballteam these past years. I don't know
what work. I don't know what'sworse that or whatever horrible thing you're about
to tell me, but that soundsworse, I know. So the situation
at home becomes volatile and she goesaround. Betty goes around asking her classmates
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to kill her, and because she'stoo scared to do herself, she doesn't
think she'd go through it, butshe's super depressed and she wants to die
and like a note like, youknow, like instead of like do you
like literally? Like I think literally? She was asking people a note,
no, maybe circle one and sendit back. She asked at least five
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different people's if they would kill her, and they all blew her off because
she's, like I said, she'sthe drama kid. She's over dramatic about
everything, and everybody was just like, whatever, that's Betty. So I'd
be super worried if one of themwas like, hell, yeah, yeah,
sure I'll kill you, Like well, yeah, she's just so overly
dramatic. Everybody just thought it wasa joke because she's just being like that
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for attention. They thought, oh, she just wants attention, you know.
So then Betty asks Mack if he'dkill her, and he agrees,
Oh my god, because you know, he's such a winner and he's the
one. Yeah. She wrote aletter clearing his name saying she asked him
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to do it. She told himto do it, It's okay, this
is what she wanted and this isone of the ways that she persuaded him
to do it. When she confrontedhim, it was actually in front of
another person. So there was aneyewitness that had her asked him and said,
I'll write this letter, which shedid write this letter. I believe
this actually happened. This sounds insane, it does. So the night Betty
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was supposed to meet up with Macfor this whole thing to happen, she
meets up with another person instead,Ike Nail was his name, and they
were parked in an alley by herby her house. Ye Mac pulled up
behind them, and Betty was surprised, and she turns to Ike and said,
I didn't think he'd come. I'vegot to call his bluff even if
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he kills me. So at thispoint you got to think, Okay,
Betty wasn't serious then, and itwas kind of a ploy to get Mac
back. She thought she was goingto get him back by acting all depressed,
You're gonna kill me or whatever,because it can't be without you,
right, And so she thinks likehe would be like all sad, like
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okay, Betty, I'll be withyou or whatever. But then he shows
up to do the DP so Iknow, right, Oh my god.
So Betty gets into Max's cheap andshe has never seen alive again. Two
days go by and her mom contactsthe police because she can't find her.
She hadn't seen her. The policego question all her friends, all the
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kids at the school, and theyquickly zero in on Mac. They think,
okay, well, something's not rightabout him. They bring him back
down to those station and Mac finallybreaks down and tells them what happened.
Betty gets into his jeep and hedrives to his dad's hunting les parts the
car and they walk her to thestock tank and he tells her give me
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a kiss to remember you by.Betty kisses him and thanks him for what
he's about to do. Of course, I've got to be thinking, Betty,
she doesn't think anything's going to happen, right, She's just again calling
his bluff. No, he's notgoing to do this, you know.
Mac puts the shotgun up to herhead and she grabs the barrel and holds
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it against her temple and Mac shootsher dead Instantly, blood splatter on the
wall or tank or whatever they're standingnext to. She drops dead. Of
course, he picks her up andthrows her in the stock tank, walks
back to his car, gets intoit, and acts like nothing happened.
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What kind of person is that?Like phycho paths the psycho about Holy crap,
I know, God. So Macled the police to the site.
He had to get in the tankhimself. He took off his shoes and
whatever, waded in the water andwent and fished her out of it and
brought her to the police. Thepolice were like stunned at how like calm
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and like cold. He seemed likehe just had zero emotion. And even
though he confessed, he did goto trial and his defense was temporary insanity.
They painted Betty as this like superslutty girl who manipulated this boy into
killing her, and it worked.Mac Harring was found not guilty by reasoning
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of temporary insanity, so he gotoff with killing her, which is insane.
But they made her look like sucha terrible person. Yeah, it's
not good. When when did thisall happen? Nineteen sixty one? Oh,
it was in the sixties, okay, So she was super progressive too.
She was like protest against secrecation andall that. She was like,
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I mean, she's a little slutty, but she was a good person,
you know. She didn't get herto die that way, and she just
really wanted acceptance. I think that'sall. She wanted, to be accepted
by people. Yeah, I thinkyou're right. I think she wanted to
be accepted and she felt I thinkthat she felt the only way to be
accepted what was to give them whatthey wanted, which was some sort of
sexual favor. Yeah. I thinkthat was the only way she got seen
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by them, you know, theonly way she got attention. Correct and
that and people are are humans.Humans crave attention and they'll get it in
any way that they want. Thefact that they that he got away with
it, and the fact that theylike, you know, like slut shamed
her so much. I know theydid. Well, it's nineteen sixty one.
I mean she did. She wasdon't think she probably she was manipulative.
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It was manipulative for her to belike that with him. But yeah,
he is almost an adult himself.I can't remember he was seventeen or
eighteen or whatever his age was.I don't remember. He shouldn't, he
should know better. But I couldalso be like, Okay, it's Odessa.
It's like the middle of Texas.It's nineteen sixties, Like, really,
what do they know about anything?Like today? Kids know so much
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more and there's so much more Likewhy is about things? I guess you
know that they wouldn't it would neverthey would never do things like this,
you know, unless it was completelyintentional. So I don't know, but
I think he should have definitely servedsome time. Maybe not like life in
present. You know, it waslike first degree murder. Its sun.
You can't just kill someone. Iknow it was. He held a gun
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to her head exactly exactly. SoMatt Carring died recently in twenty nineteen at
the age of seventy five. Okay, just so you know, he's hopefully
if you believe in hell. Idon't know who knows, all right,
Betty is said to haunt they OdessaHigh School auditorium, where she performed in
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the school plays. Students at theschool used to say a girl hung herself
a the auditorium or that she felloff a ladder because they were trying to
explain why this ghost girl was there. Yeah, And it's like a good
example of how these urban legends start, Like you don't know the story,
but you know there's a ghost there, so you're like, well, somebody
must have died there, a girlmust have died there. You know,
you've heard like this girl wanted todie. They're like, well she hug
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herself, you know. Yeah,so the story gets all twisted, but
the real story is like far moreinteresting, right Yeah. And also what's
interesting is Betty didn't die in theauditorium. It's just a place she liked
to be, so she went backthere. So everyone always thinks, like
when you're researching place, you're like, well, who died here? Who
was here? Was like, maybethey didn't. Maybe they're just coming back
to where they enjoyed being or something, you know exactly. You know,
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it's a place that brought them joyand in there, you know, loss
and everything like that. They wentback and spent time at a place that
made them feel happy. And Idon't at any spirit who does that,
because that is the best feeling,you know what I mean. Yeah.
So one of the places she's hadbeen seen often was in the window from
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the outside into the auditorium. Theywould see her image so often teens would
go there at night and park theircars to try to like get a glimpse,
like this urban legend of this girlin the window, and teams were
coming there so much that the schooleventually blacked out the windows to prevent them
from from coming on campus in themiddle of I just seeing what happened,
you know, other activity that goeson or lights going out and doors slamming.
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Apparently when you call her name Betty, she'll sometimes make the stage lights
move and response yea. And thingsgo missing all the time, and it
happens so much in the theater thatthe students are just like, oh,
that's Betty doing that. If something'smissing or there's like a mess around,
they're like, oh, Betty didthat. You know, like you're going
to do your play and you're missingyour hat. Where's my hat? Oh
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Betty took the hat. You know, they say it so often because it's
just that's her that's messing around,you know. I mean, I don't
know how far you are from Odessa, probably like a good few hours.
I would assume probably like four orfive. But you know, my my
company that I work for has amarket in Odessa, and I am fairly
certain I could probably talk to people. Yeah, yeah, I probably know
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a little bit about this. SoI am five hours away. I knew
it was something like that, andyou're not even I mean and that's not
even an outside of Texas. You'rejust going it's pretty up to the it's
up north, right, like it'sup north, that's getting close to the
border of New Mexico. It's kindof like slightly to the side and up
(35:37):
So gotcha, Well I have that, you know, I might reach out.
That would be fun and I'll getback to you on that. But
that would be very that's very interesting. That what a hell of a story,
I know, And I'm I don'tknow. I didn't look it up,
so maybe they have. But I'mlike, has this been made into
a movie? I don't know.I didn't look it up if it had
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been, but yeah, but agreat movie. That would make true story,
right, Well, like a serieslike that Candy series. This would
be a great series like that.Yeah, oh, the one with Elizabeth
Olsen? Yeah, what what wasthat called? I forget? Was that
called? Oh god, I can'tremember the one Elizabeth Olsen? And that's
the one I watched, Yeah,Todd from Breaking Bad. I don't know
(36:20):
what that because Jesse Plemons, yeahyeah, and she's like, I was
wondering if you'd like I having afair and he's just like, oh my
gosh, gee, ma'am, Idon't know about that. Yeah, he's
so far out of his league.Like Elizabeth Olsen is gorgeous, and Jess
is like, I don't even knowwhen she's they're playing volleyball. You used
to look up the name of what'scalled they're playing volleyball. And she's telling
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her friend like he smelled like sixor whatever. She's like attracted to him.
I'm like, disgusting, looking,what are you thinking? Like he's
so gross? Love and Death,Love and Death and Death. Yeah,
Candy Montgomery that was their name.Yeah, you guys, if you haven't
seen that, you've never looked upanything that really good wild story, You
need to go check it out.That is that. I'm sure that there's
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some hauntings in that Texas town aswell. So, and that was filmed
in Austin. I believe too.So I think you're right. Yeah,
it's so funny because the minute Isaw the trees outside, I saw the
house, it was such like amid century house, and I saw the
tree and I was like, that'sAustin you and I just went and looked
it up. I was like,yep, that's what I thought. Yep.
(37:27):
So, So anyways, onto thenext going to university. Now,
all right, the university. Igraduated from Texas A and M University.
All right, Now, I dida TikTok on this, and I,
for the life we can't remember ifI talked about on the show. And
if I did, I don't care. If you're hearing it again, you
know what if you did it,so you're probably it's probably gonna sound new.
(37:49):
So while I was attending, andthere was an urban legend there and
everybody always would talk about it Halloweentime because you know, it's scary.
It's about a haunted Oh, andthe story goes like this, and I
heard it was an engineering building thata janitor was killed in the elevator,
like the doors closed on him andhe was decapitated, and you know he
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haunts the elevator. Okay, sowho knows nearly, Very much like the
Betty's story where there's a haunting andyou don't know where it comes from and
the story gets all jumbled and mixedup. So kind of like that.
That. So here's the real story. Yeah. Roy Simms worked at Texas
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A and M as the meat lockerroom foreman from nineteen forty eight to nineteen
fifty nine. His job was toprepare and butcher meat in the Animal Industry's
building basement. So literally, likethey would be hanging off like the meat
hooks, and he's like, they'relike cutting meat off, right, So
yeah, I didn't know they didthat stuff there. So anyways, I
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mean, this is the fifties.On November fourteenth, nineteen fifty nine,
Roy and his assistants were cutting slabsof bacon. The assistant left to go
check the weather report on his radiobecause they were getting like this really huge
winter storm in like ice, snowand everything, and they were there doing
that. They want to know whatare the road condition is going to be
like, you know, so hemade to go check the weather report.
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Sure. Roy meanwhile was left alone. So he's in the basement and he's
cutting this pig that's like up ona hook. He's cutting in like a
downward motion towards himself. When theknife slips, it slices through Roy's left
leg near the groin, severing hisfemeral artery. Yeah, so he's alone,
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like I said, and I guessthere was no phone in the basement,
you know, so he's thinking,I got to get out you know.
So he goes and he crawls overto like the freight elevator, but
before he can like get to safetyor whatever, he dies. Now I
don't know if he like hit thebutton to go up or what was the
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process or whatever. But as assistantfinds him in the elevator, he's already
dead. They called for the ambulance, but he was he was already dead.
And this was like five minutes.He bled out in literally like five
minutes. So you hit that artery, that's no joke. Yeah, So
even if somebody was there with him, that was it. Like he wasn't
gonna make it, you know.So it was such a sudden, tragic
(40:30):
death. Right. And now Roy'sghost is said to haunt the basement of
the animal science building and the elevator. So the basement now has been completely
renovated since nineteen fifty nine where theaccident occurred, and it's now a men's
bathroom room. And from what Iread in the Battalion, which is the
(40:51):
newspaper there, the restrooms still havethe metal hooks where they like hung the
animals. Now, this was intwenty eleven that I read that they saw
the metal hooks so I don't knowif they still have them, but it's
a basement and I'm gonna guess probablythey still do, which is so creepy
the hell man get rid of them. Yeah, and they have like the
you know, like where the bloodwould like drain and pool like they had
(41:13):
like the drain. They still havethat in the bathroom too, So it's
really we're gonna renovated. We're onlygonna renovate like halfway. Yeah. Well
I've seen my videos of it,and it really you wouldn't even think it
was a basement if you saw thething, Like there's now like a hallway
and then there's like the elevator orwhatever. Asking for like a brutal horror
movie style, it happened in thatbathroom, I know. Well, the
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bathroom's kind of haunted, and sowas like the rooms next to it.
Yeah, some of the ghostly activityis hearing footsteps, screaming, slamming doors,
and objects going missing. And thingswould go missing so often and the
cleaning staff would be upset because theirstuff would get like messed with that they
(41:58):
asked that can we have the elevatorgo to the bottom at night and be
left open so that the ghost stopspessing with everything. So they tried it.
They put the elevator on the bottom. They leave the door open,
and all the activity overnight would stop, so the cleaning crew would come back
or whatever, and all their stuffwould still be there, nothing we messed
(42:19):
with. But if they left iton the top, all their stuff would
get messed with again. So they'relike, Okay, he's happy downstairs.
He wants to be downstairs, sowe leave it downstairs and we leave it
open, and they say Roy's ghostsleeps of the elevator because he's not making
a mess, he's being quiet,so they assume he's sleeping. But I
don't think that's what's happening. Idon't think the ghost sleeps, but that's
just what they say. I don'tknow he likes the elevator to be down
(42:44):
there, and I don't know whatthe significant I mean, he died in
the elevator, and maybe the elevatornever went up and it stayed down.
You know. That's what I'm thinking, is he crawled into the elevator,
the elevator never closed and went up, and they assistant coming back into the
building because he had gone to hishard to listen to the radio, which
is weird, and he goes backinto the I don't know. He goes
(43:05):
back into the building, calls forthe elevator, and A probably brought his
dead body up, which is socreepy. If you think the elevator went
up and here you are like,dude to do, Oh, there's gonna
be a nice storm. I'm gonnago tell I can't wait to like a
horror scene, right because there wouldhave been blooded everywhere. So anyways,
that's what happened. That's that's theA and M ghost story. I don't
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know anymore from from A and M. I N I love that that story
starts out with like people saying likethe janitor went in there and got his
head cut off by an elevator.That's like what you always say, like
all of these stories and who wewere just talking to somebody, like when
we were talking about what to Naca, right when we were talking to her
about Savannah. It's like a gameof telephone where like the message just keeps
(43:51):
getting muddled and muddled and muddled.It went from a guy who had an
accidental death at the place to ajanitor put his head in the elevator and
got decapitated, and it's like,where did that come from? Right?
I mean there are some similarities,right, the elevator, the elevators haunted,
and a worker at the school gotkilled. He died in the elevator,
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all the other detail. Yeah,it's just a horrible, sad thing
that happened to this man, andit's very tragic. Well, it's like
the Betty story and they say shehung herself in the auditorium where she fell
off the ladder, and I'm like, it's it's weird that they wouldn't have
known it. What was really weirdtoo, So in the that Betty story,
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one of her classmates that graduated thesame year as her went to become
a teacher and he knew Betty andshe went to become a teacher. Ronnie
White was his dame in nineteen seventyeight, goes back to Odessa, becomes
a teacher at the school and hekept hearing all these rumors about this girl
who killed herself and she's haunting thethe auditorium and he kept hearing it and
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he was like, oh my god, that's Betty. They're talking about Betty.
And he couldn't believe that she wasthere haunting it and that people were
talking about it, but nobody reallyknew the story correctly even back then.
So it happened in nineteen sixty one. By nineteen seventy eight, it was
nobody could remember her or her story. Yeah, wow, that was pretty
soon. That is pretty soon.It always makes me question that, right,
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Like I'm like, oh, I'mlike, how does somebody forget all
these things that happened in such ashort time period. And my reference for
that is always like Star Wars,because I was like, the Clone Wars
wasn't that long before a New Hope, And I'll like, nobody remembers half
of anything that happened there. It'slike an also because the school, the
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kids, it's a high turnover everyfour years. It's completely new kids,
you know what I mean. Itis, but there's like there's stories and
things that persevere and get passed downand everything like that. You know how
teachers are there, especially back then, they're probably like we don't talk about
that. Probably, yeah, Iwould assume it I talk about a gruesome
murder or anything with these kids.Yeah, unless you're like the like the
(46:06):
weird teacher or something like that whereyou're like, kids, I'm gonna tell
you a story, Okay, yeah, right, cautionary tale about pre marital
sex. Like, oh, Iwanted to say something else about the whole
Betty thing. So apparently I guessher cousin went to that school as well,
and in their family they were allvery over dramatic and apparently and I
(46:29):
think this was Betty's father. Icouldn't tell if it was Betty's father or
the cousin's father. He used tosay the exact same thing, Well,
someone just please kill me. Iwant to die, Like every time something
would happen, and his wife wouldbe like, do you want me to
do it? And he'd be like, you know, and it would be
like, just like, that's somethingthey would just say in the family.
(46:49):
So the cousins said in the contextof the family. When she was saying
that, I understood what she meantand she wasn't serious, she was just
looking for attention. Well that Iwas a crazy person then for doing that.
Yeah, it's insane, poor girl. I know, it's very tragic.
So well, very interesting. Welcomeback to school kids. You know,
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right, yep. I think sowhen you guys, sit tight, because
the next couple of episodes that we'vegot coming up are going to be really,
really cool. You know, there'sa there's a little bit of a
theme here. We're sticking with Texasfor the next couple of episodes, but
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we've got some really interesting information abouta local cemetery, and we've got some
really good findings from our stay atthe Historic Manger Hotel Minger Minger, the
Historic Minger Hotel, Inger and Idon't know, well whatever mingermer whatever,
It's not Manger, it's Minger,but we doesn't look about it either way.
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ready to get into this episode.I'm sipping out of a teenage Mutant into
Turtles tonight. While we're doing this, well, I coughed. I thought
I hit the mute You didn't.You didn't. I could clearly tell that
you thought that you hit the mutebutton right there and you didn't, because
you're like, we're looking at likeyour hand is scrambling and you're like,
okay, okay, because I've usedit a different laptop and I usually have
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like the external mouse, so nowI'm using the one on here, and
I thought I pushed it and Idid not, so you did not know.
It was funny though. But anyway, what I was saying is I'm
using a teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle coffeemug, and the teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
on this coffee mug, of course, are the ones that Metra and I
grew up with, as I'm suremany of you grew up in the Turtle
(06:33):
Power era, right Turtle Mania andeverything. I'll tell you this. I
just went and saw the new TeenageMutan Ninja Turtles with my two kids.
They're they're seven years old and fouryears old, and they absolutely loved it.
Now, I had already exposed themto Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in the
first place, them properly, Iam. Yeah, and the old video
(06:53):
games because they've got a whole collectionon Switch. Now I've been playing those
with them and it's fantastic Turtles andI'm the Arcade game like all that stuff
like it's it's awesome. But thatnew movie, don't sleep on it,
folks. If you're looking to seea good movie and you've already seen Barbie
or Oppenheimer or whatever else, anddon't sleep on the Turtles. Man.
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That movie was good. It wasreal good. So and that is not
a paid endorsement. I'm just tellingyou, Seth Rogan did a fantastic job
making that movie. And you wantto know why you made that movie.
Yeah, Seth Rogan made that movie. It's all It's made by all these
people who grew up watching right,you know. And what's really cool about
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this one is that they really theywent younger on the Turtles. So the
Turtles are actually like teenagers. They'revery similar. You know, we're gonna
say once they're not teenagers or likepreteens between Well, I mean you watch
the Turtle. Yeah, I meanyou watch you watch the old cartoon,
and it's very much besides maybe MichaelAngelo's surfer dude, it's they so very
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much like they're in their late twentiesor thirties or something like that. But
it's also like it was like amature teenager. Okay, this time they're
not, and I have to applaudthem because it got It was really good.
It was really really good. Iliked it a lot. Anyway,
that's all I just want to tell. Okay, let's go see the teenage
Muting Turtles because I loved it.All right, can we do the show
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now? Talking? Yes we can. Yeah we can't. Episode number two
O seven by the way, sofor those of you keep in track.
Alrighty, So, since a lotof kids are going back to school,
like my kids are, I thought, why don't we do back to school
ghost stories? Okay, there's alot of haunted schools out there, so
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I picked a few. I didn'tmean to do this, but they're all
in Texas. That's the ones thatwe're fighting. We're in Texas and default
settings well, I think probably becausewe do a Google search. It's like
sometimes location based, I think,so they're just pulling up things that are
like near me. So anyways,there's some haunted schools in Texas. Okay.
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The first school is nets Elementary Schoolin Austin, Texas. I never
heard of this in Austin's only likean hour and a half away from me,
so this was really interesting. Yeah, so it was built in nineteen
sixteen and it became sort of likea segregated school for I believe Mexican Americans.
And I was trying to find moreinformation on this, and what I
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could gather is the school wasn't necessarilylike like it wasn't built like this is
for segregation, right, It justkind of happened that way because of the
neighborhood and nobody want to know,like, you know, the white Americans
didn't want to move into this neighborhoodthat was mostly of like Hispanics, and
then it just became like, youknow, a Hispanic elementary school, so
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white people. Yeah, and Idon't know if they like really like had
like strict rules about it. Idon't know, I couldn't really find like
enough information. But anyways, sotime goes by, segregation is not a
thing anymore, and they bust kidsfrom that neighborhood to basically the white neighborhood
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to have, you know, kidsof different races go to the different schools
or whatever. So while they're doingthat, the attendance rate at Metz Elementary
School starts to drop and they getlike no funding, and that's kind of
becomes like dilapidated or whatever, andthe parents start to protest, saying,
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hey, like, you need tofix this school. You need to make
it better. You know, youneed for our kids in this neighborhood.
We shouldn't have to be bust faraway. You need to make this school
nice, you know. So theydid that was in nineteen eighty nine.
The parents of the neighborhood doing thisprotest, so they renovated the school.
They decided, Okay, we're gonnahere's the plan. We're gonna renovate.
We're gonna tear down this school andon top of the grounds, we're gonna
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build this nice new facility or whatever. Okay, so it got past it's
to happen in nineteen ninety, thedemolition company goes to the elementary school to
start their demolition, and right awaythe workers start seeing and hearing children at
this demolition site. Now, Idon't know how demolition works. I mean,
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I don't think it's like they justput dynamite and just do it and
everything explodes. Like it's not likethat. Like they're slowly tearing things down
carefully as to no one gets hurt, right, and then taking things away.
So as they're doing this, they'rehearing kids giggling and laughing. They
the workers said they would go intoa room and it's like an empty room
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and you know, nothing's there,it's just an empty classroom. And then
they'd come back and they would belike writing on the chalkboard or drawings on
the chalkboard, and it was likecreeping them out. One worker plant,
yeah, right. One worker claimedto have seen a boy in the school
bathroom window looking at him. Iknow, so creepy. So the owner
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of the demolition company, Joe Torres, said, every time he went into
the school, his brand new wristwatchwould stop, and then when he would
come back out, it would startticking again. It was like really weird.
Bulldozers another heavy machinery would suddenly liketurn off and malfunction at the site,
and these were like perfectly fine before. You know, at other construction
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sites, a worker, Odo GutierisJunior was killed when a brick wall fell
on him. And some people thinkthat it wasn't an accident, that like
some ghost kids pushed the wall onhim, But I don't think that's what
happened. I think it was probablyjust like some terrible accident because it's a
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demolition site and it's you know,it's a dangerous area to be around,
so I don't think that's what happened. But the workers were all like really
freaked out at this point, sothey contact a person to come in.
They blessed the site with holy waterwhile reading from a prayer brook and they're
like okay, fine, you know. So they were able to get through
the demolition and the construction of thenew elementary school and everything was fine,
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but it's still haunted and there's stillall these ghost stories coming out of them.
And I was trying to figure outwhat the facility looked like compared to
the original, Like were the bathroomsin the same place and stuff, which
I'm going to assume they may havebeen because of the plumbing was already there.
Yeah, because they said the faucetswould just can like go on and
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off by themselves, the lights inthe bathroom would go on and off by
itself. And one of the peopleand I couldn't figure out if this person
was from the new school being built, or maybe they attended the old school,
but they said they also saw whenthey were in elementary school a little
boy that appeared suddenly in the bathroomand then vanished. Yeah, and they
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themselves are a kid, you know, and they just thought, oh,
that's weird, Like this kid haslike really weird old clothing on. And
the door was heavy to the bathroom, and they thought, how did they
disappear? Like how did they leavethe bathroom without me hearing the door because
it's so heavy, you know,you hear open and clothes. So two
days later, the same kid ison the playground plane and he looks towards
the school, towards the bathroom window, and he sees the same little boy
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looking at him through the bathroom window, and he thinks, it's really odd.
Why does that boy still have thesame clothes on? And in his
kid buying. He thinks, Wow, that's just that's really sad that he
has to wear the same clothes toschool, Like why is he wearing the
same clothes? Not thinking Oh,that's a ghost you know, so I
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slick to are you think, likewhat terrible thing happened to that little boy
in the bathroom? Like, Iknow they're right, it's really weird.
And I think the other hauntings,like the kids giggling and things like that.
I feel like that's just like residualenergy, because do you think about
like all the kids that are there, they're all little kids. So many
kids for so long, from nineteensixteen to nineteen eighty nine attended that school.
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You know, there's got to bea lot of residual energy there.
I think that imprinted and I thinkprobably stayed there. Yeah, but perhaps
this ghost boy is legit a ghost. The ghostboy could be legit. I
think, like the sounds and stufflike that, those could be like those
weird like moments in time that wetalk about all the time with all time
is happening once. Maybe they justhappened to be witnessing a moment, you
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know. Last why I wondered likeif the bathroom is in the same location
as before, like in my fourkids. He's like, Oh, maybe
I'll be somewhere different. Nope,I'm in the bathroom again. No,
can we visit that location? Well, here we go. Mets Elementary School
closed permanently in twenty twenty. Comeon the It was again the same thing.
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It was just like low attendance andthings like that, and it just
where wasn't a lot of people goingto school. They were allowing a company
to do ghost tours. So Ilooked up. I was like, oh
my gosh, they're doing ghost tours. And so I looked at all the
pictures and it's like super creepy becauseit's literally just make close in twenty twenty.
So it's like fully normal looking school. The desks are all there,
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everything looks normal. It looks likeat just a normal elementary school, but
empty, which is just creepy ashell. And I don't know if you've
ever been in elementary school like whenit's dark outside, which I have,
and probably anyone who's a teacher oranything or whatever they have. And I've
been to my kids' school many timesat elementary school when we were like it
was dark or like we used togo to do karate at our elementary school
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and the doors wouldn't be open andwe would have to get a custodian to
come open the door to the gymfor us to do it, and we
would just be like peering into theseempty hallways and they were dark and like
these long hallways, and I'd belike, yeah, I don't want to
look in here. This is likesuper creepy that. Why is it like
that? Why do we feel likesafe at these places? Is it because
(16:52):
there's so many other people with us? And then at night were left to
our own devices. The I don'tknow, the elementary schools or any school
at night is super creepy. AndI think it's because they are always filled
and loud, and there's always lotsof people, and all of a sudden,
it's like nobody's there and it's emptyand it's just a long, dark
hallway and it's creepy. Anyways,these pictures were super creepy if mets elementary
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school, and I was thinking tomyself, I want to go. They
had an EVP on the website.I kept trying to play it and it
just would not play, and Iwas like so upset. I'm like,
I want to hear this EVP.Unfortunately, Austin ID has repurposed the building
now and it has been opening upthis year as like the Health Services Department
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of Health Services for Austin ID.So no more ghosts touring. But I'd
like to know, like when thoseworkers go there, they going to be
right, are they hearing? Solisten, we get a lot of listeners
that are in the You know whatworries south central Texas? Is that what
you'd say, can consider yourself,Yeah, South Texas. So for your
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BJ Metrist you well, we're atelementary school. We're really gifted and talented
and smart. We're gonna skip middleschool. We're gonna go straight to high
school. Okay, all right,all right, Now, this is a
story that I wanted to talk aboutfor a long time, and this story
alone could be one whole show.All right. I'm gonna skip some of
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the some of the tidbits to getdown to the nitty gritty with it,
all right, all right, it'slike a true crimes It is a true
crime story. It's not like itis a true crime story. It's about
a crime happened at Odessa High Schoolin Odessa, Texas, shocking. The
auditorium at Odessa High School is saidto be haunted by a girl named Betty
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Williams. Her full name is ElizabethJane Williams, and she went by Betty
for short. I don't know why. I guess it was Elizabeth, And
then I've never understood by Betty isshort for Elizabeth? I always why is
Bob short for Robert or Richard?And Dick? I don't know where these
names came from. I don't getit either. So I first read about
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her story a few years ago inTexas Monthly. It's really crazy. It's
referred to as the Kiss and Killmurder. So Betty Williams was a senior
at Odessa High School during the nineteensixty nineteen sixty one school year. She
was very much like this drama theaterkid. And you know how they are,
they're like over dramatic. You know, they're usually very like liberal.
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That's how much. That's how shewas. She always had the leads of
the school play and had helps tobe like on Broadway or Hollywood. Yeah,
she came from a very poor familywith three other siblings and a very
very strict Baptist father. And youknow what happens when you have a very
strict religious father. Betty rebelled orshe did against her father. And just
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like society and like in general,she hated the whole like high school hierarchy
thing. The girls from their richneighborhood had their little clicks, and they
all dated football players, and theyall wore their boyfriend's letterman jackets, right,
which was like anybody out there thatenjoys that aspect of high school,
like the stupid, like you know, cast system that exists. It's it's
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so ridiculous people at top enjoy it. I guess that's true. I guess
that's true. I mean I didn'thave a bad high school experience. I
just like, I know, likethose clicks are It's just I hate clickste
no matter what. So did Betty. Yeah, she hated how they all
just wore their letterbend jackets and thatwas like the status symbol, like you
know, you're belonged to that guyor whatever, right, and that's what
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you wanted to It was like heclaimed you and he's acknowledging you in front
of everyone. Right. So Bettyhated those girls, but at the same
time, she wanted to be likedand accepted by them, and she needed
to be Like she needed that validationin her life, which honestly everybody wants
that. Everybody wants to be validated, right and accepted. She often would
go sneak out of her house atnight and hook up with football players in
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their cars. So these football players, they all had girlfriends, and they
would take their girlfriends out and theywould bring them back home at their designated
curfew times. Right, But thenthey would circle back around to like the
local drive in or whatever and pickBetty up for like a quick hook up.
Yeah. So the it's like thewhole team sucked with this one girl.
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It's it's I know, you knowwhat you get girl, you know
what high fives. I believe noneof these girls knew at the time that
this is what was happening. Theyhad no idea. So the summer before
her senior year, Betty fell inlove with one of the football players,
mac Harring. His name was,I believe, John mac Harring. He
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went by his middle name. Okay, he did not have a girlfriend,
so this was like, you know, it wasn't like he was she know,
his girlfriend, and he seemed toreally like Betty, but like I
said, there was this whole hierarchything and she was the one of the
poor kids, right, so shewasn't in it. And he was too
embarrassed to bring Betty out to likethe parties with the other popular kids.
He kind of hid her. Henever brought her home to meet his parents,
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and he never ever gave his lettermanjacket to her. Oh man,
what are really Yeah, he's amajor piece of shit. So anyways,
red flags, Right, He's justnot into you, Betty, like please,
well, aren't He was, buthe was afraid of what people would
think about I don't think he he'snot it. If you're into him,
you don't care. You stand upfor them. So of course all of
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this makes Betty feel like super badabout herself, and she craves to be
accepted and validated, right and I, like I said, everybody does.
So she comes up with a planto make him jealous and through that jealousy,
he will realize how much he lovesher. Right, So that's what
she's taking in her head, Betty. Yeah, so how does she make
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him jealous with hooking up with hisbest friend? And Mac catches them together
in their car and he breaks upwith her that fall. She actually wrote
him a note saying sorry. Sheliterally wrote the wrote the word hoorish,
Sorry for being hoorish. God.So the plan's only backfired, right,
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And now Betty is super depressed becausehe broke over there and she's thinking he's
the one. He was the one, right yea. And so not only
that, so things go really downsouth for Betty. Her senior year boyfriend
breaks up with her. She's totallyinto theater or everything. She gets all
these major parts for someone, youknow, like a sophomore or something.
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She was getting like all these partsthat usually would go to seniors and she
was getting them. So she wasreally good at acting. So the high
school hired a new theater arts teacher, and this teacher, for whatever reason,
didn't like Betty, and instead ofgiving her the lead in the school
play, she's made the stage manager, which is like a total total blow
to her like self esteem and everything. She's already feeling down right. Yeah,
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nothing against the stage crew like that, they get jobs done, but
if you when you want to bea star, you don't want to be
like on stage crew. So thenMax starts dating another girl, and Betty
like just can't handle it. Shegoes around telling everyone Mack is the one
that's her true love and she wantsto die now. And as if things
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couldn't get any worse, Betty's dadfinds her diary and reads about all the
sex capades she's had with the footballteam these past years. I don't know
what work. I don't know what'sworse that or whatever horrible thing you're about
to tell me, but that soundsworse, I know. So the situation
at home becomes volatile and she goesaround. Betty goes around asking her classmates
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to kill her, and because she'stoo scared to do herself, she doesn't
think she'd go through it, butshe's super depressed and she wants to die
and like a note like, youknow, like instead of like do you
like literally? Like I think literally? She was asking people a note,
no, maybe circle one and sendit back. She asked at least five
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different people's if they would kill her, and they all blew her off because
she's, like I said, she'sthe drama kid. She's over dramatic about
everything, and everybody was just like, whatever, that's Betty. So I'd
be super worried if one of themwas like, hell, yeah, yeah,
sure I'll kill you, Like well, yeah, she's just so overly
dramatic. Everybody just thought it wasa joke because she's just being like that
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for attention. They thought, oh, she just wants attention, you know.
So then Betty asks Mack if he'dkill her, and he agrees,
Oh my god, because you know, he's such a winner and he's the
one. Yeah. She wrote aletter clearing his name saying she asked him
(27:22):
to do it. She told himto do it, It's okay, this
is what she wanted and this isone of the ways that she persuaded him
to do it. When she confrontedhim, it was actually in front of
another person. So there was aneyewitness that had her asked him and said,
I'll write this letter, which shedid write this letter. I believe
this actually happened. This sounds insane, it does. So the night Betty
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was supposed to meet up with Macfor this whole thing to happen, she
meets up with another person instead,Ike Nail was his name, and they
were parked in an alley by herby her house. Ye Mac pulled up
behind them, and Betty was surprised, and she turns to Ike and said,
I didn't think he'd come. I'vegot to call his bluff even if
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he kills me. So at thispoint you got to think, Okay,
Betty wasn't serious then, and itwas kind of a ploy to get Mac
back. She thought she was goingto get him back by acting all depressed,
You're gonna kill me or whatever,because it can't be without you,
right, And so she thinks likehe would be like all sad, like
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okay, Betty, I'll be withyou or whatever. But then he shows
up to do the DP so Iknow, right, Oh my god.
So Betty gets into Max's cheap andshe has never seen alive again. Two
days go by and her mom contactsthe police because she can't find her.
She hadn't seen her. The policego question all her friends, all the
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kids at the school, and theyquickly zero in on Mac. They think,
okay, well, something's not rightabout him. They bring him back
down to those station and Mac finallybreaks down and tells them what happened.
Betty gets into his jeep and hedrives to his dad's hunting les parts the
car and they walk her to thestock tank and he tells her give me
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a kiss to remember you by.Betty kisses him and thanks him for what
he's about to do. Of course, I've got to be thinking, Betty,
she doesn't think anything's going to happen, right, She's just again calling
his bluff. No, he's notgoing to do this, you know.
Mac puts the shotgun up to herhead and she grabs the barrel and holds
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it against her temple and Mac shootsher dead Instantly, blood splatter on the
wall or tank or whatever they're standingnext to. She drops dead. Of
course, he picks her up andthrows her in the stock tank, walks
back to his car, gets intoit, and acts like nothing happened.
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What kind of person is that?Like phycho paths the psycho about Holy crap,
I know, God. So Macled the police to the site.
He had to get in the tankhimself. He took off his shoes and
whatever, waded in the water andwent and fished her out of it and
brought her to the police. Thepolice were like stunned at how like calm
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and like cold. He seemed likehe just had zero emotion. And even
though he confessed, he did goto trial and his defense was temporary insanity.
They painted Betty as this like superslutty girl who manipulated this boy into
killing her, and it worked.Mac Harring was found not guilty by reasoning
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of temporary insanity, so he gotoff with killing her, which is insane.
But they made her look like sucha terrible person. Yeah, it's
not good. When when did thisall happen? Nineteen sixty one? Oh,
it was in the sixties, okay, So she was super progressive too.
She was like protest against secrecation andall that. She was like,
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I mean, she's a little slutty, but she was a good person,
you know. She didn't get herto die that way, and she just
really wanted acceptance. I think that'sall. She wanted, to be accepted
by people. Yeah, I thinkyou're right. I think she wanted to
be accepted and she felt I thinkthat she felt the only way to be
accepted what was to give them whatthey wanted, which was some sort of
sexual favor. Yeah. I thinkthat was the only way she got seen
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by them, you know, theonly way she got attention. Correct and
that and people are are humans.Humans crave attention and they'll get it in
any way that they want. Thefact that they that he got away with
it, and the fact that theylike, you know, like slut shamed
her so much. I know theydid. Well, it's nineteen sixty one.
I mean she did. She wasdon't think she probably she was manipulative.
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It was manipulative for her to belike that with him. But yeah,
he is almost an adult himself.I can't remember he was seventeen or
eighteen or whatever his age was.I don't remember. He shouldn't, he
should know better. But I couldalso be like, Okay, it's Odessa.
It's like the middle of Texas.It's nineteen sixties, Like, really,
what do they know about anything?Like today? Kids know so much
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more and there's so much more Likewhy is about things? I guess you
know that they wouldn't it would neverthey would never do things like this,
you know, unless it was completelyintentional. So I don't know, but
I think he should have definitely servedsome time. Maybe not like life in
present. You know, it waslike first degree murder. Its sun.
You can't just kill someone. Iknow it was. He held a gun
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to her head exactly exactly. SoMatt Carring died recently in twenty nineteen at
the age of seventy five. Okay, just so you know, he's hopefully
if you believe in hell. Idon't know who knows, all right,
Betty is said to haunt they OdessaHigh School auditorium, where she performed in
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the school plays. Students at theschool used to say a girl hung herself
a the auditorium or that she felloff a ladder because they were trying to
explain why this ghost girl was there. Yeah, And it's like a good
example of how these urban legends start, Like you don't know the story,
but you know there's a ghost there, so you're like, well, somebody
must have died there, a girlmust have died there. You know,
you've heard like this girl wanted todie. They're like, well she hug
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herself, you know. Yeah,so the story gets all twisted, but
the real story is like far moreinteresting, right Yeah. And also what's
interesting is Betty didn't die in theauditorium. It's just a place she liked
to be, so she went backthere. So everyone always thinks, like
when you're researching place, you're like, well, who died here? Who
was here? Was like, maybethey didn't. Maybe they're just coming back
to where they enjoyed being or something, you know exactly. You know,
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it's a place that brought them joyand in there, you know, loss
and everything like that. They wentback and spent time at a place that
made them feel happy. And Idon't at any spirit who does that,
because that is the best feeling,you know what I mean. Yeah.
So one of the places she's hadbeen seen often was in the window from
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the outside into the auditorium. Theywould see her image so often teens would
go there at night and park theircars to try to like get a glimpse,
like this urban legend of this girlin the window, and teams were
coming there so much that the schooleventually blacked out the windows to prevent them
from from coming on campus in themiddle of I just seeing what happened,
you know, other activity that goeson or lights going out and doors slamming.
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Apparently when you call her name Betty, she'll sometimes make the stage lights
move and response yea. And thingsgo missing all the time, and it
happens so much in the theater thatthe students are just like, oh,
that's Betty doing that. If something'smissing or there's like a mess around,
they're like, oh, Betty didthat. You know, like you're going
to do your play and you're missingyour hat. Where's my hat? Oh
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Betty took the hat. You know, they say it so often because it's
just that's her that's messing around,you know. I mean, I don't
know how far you are from Odessa, probably like a good few hours.
I would assume probably like four orfive. But you know, my my
company that I work for has amarket in Odessa, and I am fairly
certain I could probably talk to people. Yeah, yeah, I probably know
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a little bit about this. SoI am five hours away. I knew
it was something like that, andyou're not even I mean and that's not
even an outside of Texas. You'rejust going it's pretty up to the it's
up north, right, like it'sup north, that's getting close to the
border of New Mexico. It's kindof like slightly to the side and up
(35:37):
So gotcha, Well I have that, you know, I might reach out.
That would be fun and I'll getback to you on that. But
that would be very that's very interesting. That what a hell of a story,
I know, And I'm I don'tknow. I didn't look it up,
so maybe they have. But I'mlike, has this been made into
a movie? I don't know.I didn't look it up if it had
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been, but yeah, but agreat movie. That would make true story,
right, Well, like a serieslike that Candy series. This would
be a great series like that.Yeah, oh, the one with Elizabeth
Olsen? Yeah, what what wasthat called? I forget? Was that
called? Oh god, I can'tremember the one Elizabeth Olsen? And that's
the one I watched, Yeah,Todd from Breaking Bad. I don't know
(36:20):
what that because Jesse Plemons, yeahyeah, and she's like, I was
wondering if you'd like I having afair and he's just like, oh my
gosh, gee, ma'am, Idon't know about that. Yeah, he's
so far out of his league.Like Elizabeth Olsen is gorgeous, and Jess
is like, I don't even knowwhen she's they're playing volleyball. You used
to look up the name of what'scalled they're playing volleyball. And she's telling
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her friend like he smelled like sixor whatever. She's like attracted to him.
I'm like, disgusting, looking,what are you thinking? Like he's
so gross? Love and Death,Love and Death and Death. Yeah,
Candy Montgomery that was their name.Yeah, you guys, if you haven't
seen that, you've never looked upanything that really good wild story, You
need to go check it out.That is that. I'm sure that there's
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some hauntings in that Texas town aswell. So, and that was filmed
in Austin. I believe too.So I think you're right. Yeah,
it's so funny because the minute Isaw the trees outside, I saw the
house, it was such like amid century house, and I saw the
tree and I was like, that'sAustin you and I just went and looked
it up. I was like,yep, that's what I thought. Yep.
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So, So anyways, onto thenext going to university. Now,
all right, the university. Igraduated from Texas A and M University.
All right, Now, I dida TikTok on this, and I,
for the life we can't remember ifI talked about on the show. And
if I did, I don't care. If you're hearing it again, you
know what if you did it,so you're probably it's probably gonna sound new.
(37:49):
So while I was attending, andthere was an urban legend there and
everybody always would talk about it Halloweentime because you know, it's scary.
It's about a haunted Oh, andthe story goes like this, and I
heard it was an engineering building thata janitor was killed in the elevator,
like the doors closed on him andhe was decapitated, and you know he
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haunts the elevator. Okay, sowho knows nearly, Very much like the
Betty's story where there's a haunting andyou don't know where it comes from and
the story gets all jumbled and mixedup. So kind of like that.
That. So here's the real story. Yeah. Roy Simms worked at Texas
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A and M as the meat lockerroom foreman from nineteen forty eight to nineteen
fifty nine. His job was toprepare and butcher meat in the Animal Industry's
building basement. So literally, likethey would be hanging off like the meat
hooks, and he's like, they'relike cutting meat off, right, So
yeah, I didn't know they didthat stuff there. So anyways, I
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mean, this is the fifties.On November fourteenth, nineteen fifty nine,
Roy and his assistants were cutting slabsof bacon. The assistant left to go
check the weather report on his radiobecause they were getting like this really huge
winter storm in like ice, snowand everything, and they were there doing
that. They want to know whatare the road condition is going to be
like, you know, so hemade to go check the weather report.
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Sure. Roy meanwhile was left alone. So he's in the basement and he's
cutting this pig that's like up ona hook. He's cutting in like a
downward motion towards himself. When theknife slips, it slices through Roy's left
leg near the groin, severing hisfemeral artery. Yeah, so he's alone,
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like I said, and I guessthere was no phone in the basement,
you know, so he's thinking,I got to get out you know.
So he goes and he crawls overto like the freight elevator, but
before he can like get to safetyor whatever, he dies. Now I
don't know if he like hit thebutton to go up or what was the
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process or whatever. But as assistantfinds him in the elevator, he's already
dead. They called for the ambulance, but he was he was already dead.
And this was like five minutes.He bled out in literally like five
minutes. So you hit that artery, that's no joke. Yeah, So
even if somebody was there with him, that was it. Like he wasn't
gonna make it, you know.So it was such a sudden, tragic
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death. Right. And now Roy'sghost is said to haunt the basement of
the animal science building and the elevator. So the basement now has been completely
renovated since nineteen fifty nine where theaccident occurred, and it's now a men's
bathroom room. And from what Iread in the Battalion, which is the
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newspaper there, the restrooms still havethe metal hooks where they like hung the
animals. Now, this was intwenty eleven that I read that they saw
the metal hooks so I don't knowif they still have them, but it's
a basement and I'm gonna guess probablythey still do, which is so creepy
the hell man get rid of them. Yeah, and they have like the
you know, like where the bloodwould like drain and pool like they had
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like the drain. They still havethat in the bathroom too, So it's
really we're gonna renovated. We're onlygonna renovate like halfway. Yeah. Well
I've seen my videos of it,and it really you wouldn't even think it
was a basement if you saw thething, Like there's now like a hallway
and then there's like the elevator orwhatever. Asking for like a brutal horror
movie style, it happened in thatbathroom, I know. Well, the
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bathroom's kind of haunted, and sowas like the rooms next to it.
Yeah, some of the ghostly activityis hearing footsteps, screaming, slamming doors,
and objects going missing. And thingswould go missing so often and the
cleaning staff would be upset because theirstuff would get like messed with that they
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asked that can we have the elevatorgo to the bottom at night and be
left open so that the ghost stopspessing with everything. So they tried it.
They put the elevator on the bottom. They leave the door open,
and all the activity overnight would stop, so the cleaning crew would come back
or whatever, and all their stuffwould still be there, nothing we messed
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with. But if they left iton the top, all their stuff would
get messed with again. So they'relike, Okay, he's happy downstairs.
He wants to be downstairs, sowe leave it downstairs and we leave it
open, and they say Roy's ghostsleeps of the elevator because he's not making
a mess, he's being quiet,so they assume he's sleeping. But I
don't think that's what's happening. Idon't think the ghost sleeps, but that's
just what they say. I don'tknow he likes the elevator to be down
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there, and I don't know whatthe significant I mean, he died in
the elevator, and maybe the elevatornever went up and it stayed down.
You know. That's what I'm thinking, is he crawled into the elevator,
the elevator never closed and went up, and they assistant coming back into the
building because he had gone to hishard to listen to the radio, which
is weird, and he goes backinto the I don't know. He goes
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back into the building, calls forthe elevator, and A probably brought his
dead body up, which is socreepy. If you think the elevator went
up and here you are like,dude to do, Oh, there's gonna
be a nice storm. I'm gonnago tell I can't wait to like a
horror scene, right because there wouldhave been blooded everywhere. So anyways,
that's what happened. That's that's theA and M ghost story. I don't
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know anymore from from A and M. I N I love that that story
starts out with like people saying likethe janitor went in there and got his
head cut off by an elevator.That's like what you always say, like
all of these stories and who wewere just talking to somebody, like when
we were talking about what to Naca, right when we were talking to her
about Savannah. It's like a gameof telephone where like the message just keeps
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getting muddled and muddled and muddled.It went from a guy who had an
accidental death at the place to ajanitor put his head in the elevator and
got decapitated, and it's like,where did that come from? Right?
I mean there are some similarities,right, the elevator, the elevators haunted,
and a worker at the school gotkilled. He died in the elevator,
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all the other detail. Yeah,it's just a horrible, sad thing
that happened to this man, andit's very tragic. Well, it's like
the Betty story and they say shehung herself in the auditorium where she fell
off the ladder, and I'm like, it's it's weird that they wouldn't have
known it. What was really weirdtoo, So in the that Betty story,
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one of her classmates that graduated thesame year as her went to become
a teacher and he knew Betty andshe went to become a teacher. Ronnie
White was his dame in nineteen seventyeight, goes back to Odessa, becomes
a teacher at the school and hekept hearing all these rumors about this girl
who killed herself and she's haunting thethe auditorium and he kept hearing it and
(44:59):
he was like, oh my god, that's Betty. They're talking about Betty.
And he couldn't believe that she wasthere haunting it and that people were
talking about it, but nobody reallyknew the story correctly even back then.
So it happened in nineteen sixty one. By nineteen seventy eight, it was
nobody could remember her or her story. Yeah, wow, that was pretty
soon. That is pretty soon.It always makes me question that, right,
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Like I'm like, oh, I'mlike, how does somebody forget all
these things that happened in such ashort time period. And my reference for
that is always like Star Wars,because I was like, the Clone Wars
wasn't that long before a New Hope, And I'll like, nobody remembers half
of anything that happened there. It'slike an also because the school, the
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kids, it's a high turnover everyfour years. It's completely new kids,
you know what I mean. Itis, but there's like there's stories and
things that persevere and get passed downand everything like that. You know how
teachers are there, especially back then, they're probably like we don't talk about
that. Probably, yeah, Iwould assume it I talk about a gruesome
murder or anything with these kids.Yeah, unless you're like the like the
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weird teacher or something like that whereyou're like, kids, I'm gonna tell
you a story, Okay, yeah, right, cautionary tale about pre marital
sex. Like, oh, Iwanted to say something else about the whole
Betty thing. So apparently I guessher cousin went to that school as well,
and in their family they were allvery over dramatic and apparently and I
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think this was Betty's father. Icouldn't tell if it was Betty's father or
the cousin's father. He used tosay the exact same thing, Well,
someone just please kill me. Iwant to die, Like every time something
would happen, and his wife wouldbe like, do you want me to
do it? And he'd be like, you know, and it would be
like, just like, that's somethingthey would just say in the family.
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So the cousins said in the contextof the family. When she was saying
that, I understood what she meantand she wasn't serious, she was just
looking for attention. Well that Iwas a crazy person then for doing that.
Yeah, it's insane, poor girl. I know, it's very tragic.
So well, very interesting. Welcomeback to school kids. You know,
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maybe your school is haunted too,Yeah, maybe your school is Haunted.
If you have a haunted school andyou're listening and you've got a story
that you'd like to share with us, please let us know. You can
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sure I think that just about wrapsthings up for us on the one,
right, yep. I think sowhen you guys, sit tight, because
the next couple of episodes that we'vegot coming up are going to be really,
really cool. You know, there'sa there's a little bit of a
theme here. We're sticking with Texasfor the next couple of episodes, but
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we've got some really interesting information abouta local cemetery, and we've got some
really good findings from our stay atthe Historic Manger Hotel Minger Minger, the
Historic Minger Hotel, Inger and Idon't know, well whatever mingermer whatever,
It's not Manger, it's Minger,but we doesn't look about it either way.
(48:43):
We had a we had a greattime at that hotel. Following us
on social media and we had somevery interesting experiences when we were doing our
paranormal investigation. That episode is comingup in the next couple of weeks as
we go through things and try andfigure out it makes sense all about what
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we found. Anyway, that's allwe have for this episode of Unrefined.
Guys on behalf of Mitra and myself, We'll catch you on the next episode
of Unrefined.
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