October 25, 2023 • 39 mins
Is it just a board game or a tool to summon the dead - or worse? Where did the history of the ouija board start? They're also known as talking boards, spirit boards, and witch boards. Why are people afraid of what is sold as a children's board game? Let's discuss.
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to be here for this episode numbertwo hundred and fifteen of Unrefined. Mitra's
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been doing some research and some workfor this one, as she does for
all of them, saying it likethis one like it's a special case.
No, she researches and does everythingfor more almost every show you hear,
except for on the occasion when Iam not the last one. You did
well, the last one well,the last one I did, the Capital
one and then we did the interviewwith Victoria. But this one, this
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is this is all you these theseare all you anyway, Okay, let's
talk about what you have prepared.We're going to do Ouiji board history,
which I've really been wanting to doa show on Wigi boards. Okay.
A few weeks ago, I wasjust, you know, looking for a
movie to watch, and I cameacross which Board two. Now I haven't
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seen which Board one, but Isaw Whichboard two and I was like,
okay, which board? Which boardis spirit board, talking board? We
do board, They're all the samething we do. Board's a brand name.
I was like, okay, I'mgoing to watch this now. I
didn't know anything about which Board one, so I didn't know if I was
missing something something right, But fromwhat I could tell, yeah, Now,
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first of all, I watched withtwo, and then like a week
later I did go back and watchWhichboard one, and it seems as though
they have there's no connection between thetwo really. So it was fine,
and I wanted to say it wasmade. I want to say nineteen ninety
three. The acting was terrible.Was there anybody famous in it? I
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don't think so, not that Inoticed it's not on Earth, but in
this movie it was just recommended,I think on HBO Max. It was
just like a recommended from like youknow, my watchings. They're like,
you'll like this crap, and itwas actually really good. I was surprised.
Okay, besides like the bad actingand everything, it was actually entertaining,
much more so than a lot ofthe other horror movies that I watched.
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So when I went back and watchedWhichboard one very similar format to the
second one it was, it was, Yeah, it was really good.
It was actually the acting was worsein the first one, so I was
happy that, like they had somekind of improvement. Whichboard one was nineteen
eighty I think a d in betweenthe sequel. Yeah, So anyways,
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if you're looking for some random horrormovie to watch, that's bad acting.
But you know what, it wasa good story. It was a decent
story, So I'll give them that. It was a solid story. You
know. I will say that onall the streaming services, if you go
deep enough into their library, youwere going to find some weird shit.
But you know what, it's interesting. It's like things that you would have
seen on TV on the weekend,like you know, in the late nineties
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or something, you know, justplaying on TBS or something I don't know.
I currently have on my list onpeacock to watch a movie called Kung
Fu Ghost And Oh that sounds promising. It does, I'm excited. So
I decided, Okay, maybe nowis the time I watched this witchboard,
like I should put together the LuijiBoard show that I've been wanting to do.
All Right, So the question isare they a fun slumber party game
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or a gateway to hell? Oh? After the show, it can only
be one of those two, exactly. So, And now I know we've
said on the show that I've neverused a Wigi board, and basically because
I've been brainwashed from like basically popculture and the media to believing that some
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kind of evil spirit will like comeafter me or follow me around if I
use it, right, Yeah,which I realize is completely dumb and irrational
thinking, especially since we use spiritbox and digital recorders to talk to spirits.
And that's exactly what a o Wigiboard is. It's spirit board,
a talking board. It's to communicatewith spirits or ghosts or whatever. Right,
So the spear box is just likea high tech version of what a
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Weiji board is basically, So really, I shouldn't be like scared to use
it. But it's not brainwashing that'sbeen in your head the whole your whole
life, right, just tough though, you know, like it is a
hard thing with the wee. Here'sthe thing, my parents never told me,
oh that's better or evil. Iwas never taught that by like my
parents because we didn't grow up likewith any kind of religion really, you
know, so I wasn't taught that. I just I guess picked it up
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from like movies and stuff. Soanyways, to get on with here's some
history on the Ouiji board. SoOuigi is the trademark name for what is
referred to, like I said,a talking board or a spirit board,
And anyone can make a spirit board, but you can't call it ouigi because
that's the brand name, like Kleenexor Q tip or Coke, you know,
that's the brand name. So thespirit world talking to the spirit world
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has been around for basically as longas humans have existed, and the talking
board have their roots in ancient China. So what they used it was called
fuji or sometimes called fuji writing orChinese wuigi. And basically what it looks
like is it kind of looks likefrom what I could see from the pictures,
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like a sandbox that's kind of likeon top of a table. Okay,
you have a stick that has likehandles, and basically you would like
ask a question and the stick orrods would like move and make you know
the Chinese symbols or characters in areyou the sticks? You are holding it
like you would have your hands onthe plane chet, right, Yeah,
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So basically that's how it worked.In the mid eighteen hundred, spiritualism became
popular in Europe and it spread tothe United States and other English speaking countries.
And spiritualism was like this movement orbelief that living people could communicate with
the dead people. And back then, people you know, frequently lost their
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loved ones from all kinds of likediseases, infections, childbirth, war,
you know, children died at veryyoung ages. There was horrible accidents because
people weren't you know, cautious ofthings. You know, they didn't have
really rules like I always think,like I read that uh book about the
homes the guy that did the allthe murders in Chicago, the Devil in
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the White City or whatever, andthey talked about the carriages in the city.
There was no like rules about thecarriages. They would just drive in
like any direction, right, Therewas no like stoplights or anything, and
people were getting run over and killedby carriages like all the time. It's
crazy. There was like no regulation. So anyways, for yeah, So
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anyways, the spiritualism movement really tookoff and became popular as a way to
like connect with the people that youlove that loss you lost, and it
was a way to grieve really,you know, people basically still do the
same thing, right, Yeah,So this Chinese fouji writing was adapted.
I don't know who adapted it.I tried to figure out where it really
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came from, and it doesn't reallyhave an exact source, but they started
to use that. Maybe it wasin France because planchette means little plank in
French, and that was used asa tool that was a little board.
So it's kind of sometimes it's likea heart shaped or a shield shape or
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almost like a rounded out triangle shapelike different people would them differently. But
that's all it was, was thelittle planchet And at the point, and
why there is a point, thereis a pencil or some kind of writing
device would go through that and therewould be wheels on the other side,
and you would hold it and youwould ask a question and it would move
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and it would write out the responses. So that was what they used to
be. And that's like really interestingAnd that's actually something I learned in that
Witchboard movie because they gave the girlone to write with and she was like,
well, when how who developed this? And the guy's like, oh,
it's been around forever. And thenI went and looked it up and
I was like, oh wow,I had never heard of that, So
that was interesting. Is that likethe scrying or no? Is that something
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different? No, that's something different, Okay, So I believe that is
why it is the shape that itis with a point, because that's where
the writing device would sit. Thatmakes sense. So many people began making
and selling their own spirit boards,Like people would make them at home,
you know, and they would useplanchettes and they would make their own boards
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and stuff. And I'm not exactlysure when the actual board came to be
about as well, but it startedto like they took out the pencil and
started just using the board and thepointer would then point to like yes,
no, or like you know,the letters and stuff like that. Yeah
so, And at the time,no one really saw using spirit boards as
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being evil. It was kind oflike a family gathering. You know,
on a Saturday night, your friendsor family would come over. You'd use
the spirit board, talk to deadpeople, talk to dead relatives, go
to bed, wake up. Thenext morning it's Sunday, you go to
church, and nobody thought anything ofit. It was like perfectly normal,
wholesome family fun and nobody thought anythingof it. How enjoyable, Yeah,
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exactly so. Charles Kennard saw thepopularity of spirit boards and decided to sell
his own. He teamed up withElijah Bond, a patent attorney. Elijah
had a sister, Helen Peters,who was a medium. They designed board
and plant it to market, butthey needed a name. On April twenty
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fifth, eighteen ninety, they helda seance and they asked the spirits what
the board wanted to be called.And it's spelled out ou i ja.
When asked what it meant, itspelled out the letters for good luck.
Now the word wija, which it'sactually supposed to be called Wija, not
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ouigi. For whatever reason, itgets mispronounced right, because over the years
and how the English language progresses,things get mispronounced. So now people say
ouigi, but technically it's wiga.But you can say ouigi. It is
perfectly fine. Now people will saythat that word means yes, yes in
French and German, that we isFrench for yes, and that jaw is
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German for yes, and that thatis where the name came from, but
that is not the origin of thename. Helen Peters, who was the
medium who was there at the seance, Yes, She was a big fan
of a female English author named Weedaspelled O U I d A, so
you replace the D with the Jand you have Wija. Okay. So
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Weeda was a pen name of MarieLuis Rami. She was sort of like
a symbol for independent, forward thinkingwomen at the time, and she was
kind of like if you you werelike a fan of hers, then you
were like telling everybody that, youknow, I'm very like, you know,
forward thinking, I'm independent, youknow, you know, it's like
that kind of like pre feminist movement. I don't know, but that's just
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kind of like what it was.Helen Peters was wearing a lockett of Weeda's
picture and her signature was on thelockett. Now the signature looks like it
says Wija. Okay, right,and so Helen being like this big fan
or whatever, did she just notknow that's how her name was, and
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she just misspelled the name on theboard because she was a big fan and
wanted the board named after her,you know, like maybe she thought she
couldn't be like, hey, let'sname it after her, that they wouldn't
want it because you know, theywere men. So she was like,
well, I'll just make it thatit's the spirit's telling, you know.
So who knows? Nobody knows.And when I was reading this, I
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was like, well, was thatWido woman? Was she alive? Was
it her spirit doing it? Andso I looked it up and she was
still alive, So it wasn't herghosts guiding it. Weeda died in nineteen
o eight, the seance took placein eighteen nineties, so couldn't have been
her spirit. Okay, So anyways, time the board doing it. Yeah,
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so the board now has a namewe Ja. Right, next step
is to patent it so no oneelse can sell it. So really it's
a made up name. It's amade up word. It means nothing,
it means really doesn't mean anything.I mean, it was named after this
author, allegedly allegedly. So inorder to get the patent for the Wigia
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board, they had to prove thatit really worked. So Elijah Bond,
who was a patent lawyer, hegoes down to the patent office with his
sister Helen in Washington. The chiefpatent officer is very skeptical and he asks
for a demonstration. The officer said, asks the board what my name is,
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and this is eighteen ninety one.It's not like he had a name
tag on or anything. Yeah,so they set up the Wuiji board.
They asked for his name and itspells it out correctly, and the officer
is totally freaked out and he issuesthe patent to them. So the thing
is, like I said, ElijahBond was a patent attorney, and he
most likely knew the name of thechief patent officer because he's the attorney and
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he files paperwork and he works inthat business. So there's a very good
that he already knew this guy's namebut had never met him in person,
and so the guy wouldn't have knownwho he was or anything. You know,
you guys can't see this, butmy head so far in hands right
now for this type of thing,Like, yeah, seriously. So in
eighteen ninety two, Weigi boards soldfor a dollar fifty, which would be
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like thirty three dollars a day,which is insane if you think about it.
Are you paying thirty three dollars forour board game? No? Yeah,
exactly. I mean I don't know. We've paid a lot of money
for a spirit box that we thinkwe're talking to dead people with. So
you know what I mean, Idon't know. I didn't have electronics back
then. I guess that's true.That's true. So in nineteen oh one,
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William Fuld bought the rights to Ouiji. He added the looking glass in
the top, so now instead ofit pointing to it, the glass is
going over the actual letters and everything, which always confused me because I thought
it was supposed to point to things. But yeah, I guess not ye.
So anyways, he was really greatat mark marketing, a business was
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booming for him. In nineteen eighteen, he built a new factory in Baltimore
for one hundred k, which waslike one point nine million today. He
built this factory after consulting the WigiBoard so it told him to build it.
But the factory would be his doombecause in nineteen twenty seven, while
overseeing a flagpole installation, William felloff the roof of the factory. One
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of his ribs pierced his heart,but he didn't die right away. He
did die, but not right away, and on his deathbed he asked his
children please don't ever sell the company, which they never did. But eventually
there was no more descendants and thecompany did get sold. In nineteen sixty
six, Ouigi was sold to ParkerBrothers for eight point nine million dollars and
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in the nineteen sixties, Wigi boardwas out selling Monopoly. Literally everybody had
a Wigi board at this time.I think in nineteen sixty seven they sold
two million boards. Okay, that'san insane a lot of boards. Yeah,
do you think if you're gonna seea vintage board that's probably gonna be
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from that time period, because thatthey were just manufacturing them like crazy.
Like Parker Brothers actually couldn't keep upwith demand. They ended up selling the
company because they couldn't keep up withit. It was too much they made
on their money back, and somevery quickly, and then they sold it
because they couldn't keep up with it. The General Mills, I know,
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I thought they only did serial apparentlynot all right, interesting, So no
one is associating the Wigi board withthe demons at this time, right,
nobody's really associating that at all withit until nineteen seventy three when a little
movie called The Exorcist hit theaters andfreaked everybody out. So the movie is
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loosely based on true events. Aspeople probably already know, the movie is
about a girl who finds a Wigiboard, plays with and it becomes possessed
with the demon. Yeah. Ijust watched that one recently too. There's
just a small section where she's messingaround with the board and she thinks she's
talking to someone saying Captain howdy,and her mom just brushes it off.
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She's the mom sees it move byitself. Yeah, and she's the mom's
like, oh, you're really excitedto play. She doesn't even think that
it's anything so, and I thinkthat's what people's thought back then was too,
like, oh, this is justa fun game, we're just playing
around. I don't think anything ofit. Isn't that what it was too?
Like they tried to like the wholelike Enfield Poultergeist thing that happened with
like the Warrens investigated and everything likethat. The girls like allegedly were also
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playing with like a Oija board orspirit board. Remember honestly, yeah,
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have a good time. So themovie is loosely blake based on supposedly true
events that happened in the nineteen fortieswith the boy named Roland Hunkleer who was
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thought to be possessed after playing alsowith a Ouiji board, which they he
just died recently. I didn't knowthis in twenty twenty at the age of
eighty five. And he was alsohuh did he have COVID No, I
don't know. Actually he was aNASA engineer and like helped on like the
Apollo rockets and stuff like that.It was really interesting I was reading about
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them. Yeah, so right beforethe Exorcist movie came out, there was
like this real fear of like coltsand stuff, because Colts were on the
rise. You had the Manson murders. You had like the Church of Satan
or whatever was founded I think likein nineteen sixty six. So like all
this, these things are going on, and it just making a perfect you
know mix for when this movie comesout for people to like be super freaked
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out. That was was that thesatanic panic? Is that? What that
was? That? Well, thesatanic panas started like in the eighties,
so it would have been right afterthe movie because the movie is seventy three,
and then there was sequel, whichwas terrible. I tried to watch
it. And then you're going intosatanic panic in the eighties and into the
nineties. So gotcha. Now theWigi boards are seen as demonic and evil,
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when before, like I said,it was just a game or a
way to talk to a loved one, a parlor game, like you would
come on, you can invite friendsover. You'd be like, oh,
let's have some tea exactly. That'saround with the Wija board, just a
good time. So eventually, likeI said, Wigi boards were sold General
Mills and then they were sold againto Hasbro in nineteen ninety one who still
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has it today, and anything withthe word Wuigi on it has to be
licensed through Hasbro. Yeah. Isaw like too, because I remember a
long time ago when we first startedreally like making like graphics and stuff.
You had made that one graphic thatwas like, yeah, it was like
a Wija board and you put Wijiat the top of it. I did,
and I remember I showed it tosomebody and they were like, yo,
you need to change that because itHasbro sees it like they will sue
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you one hundred percent. So yeah, here's all of our no moneys we
make from everything. Yeah, pleasetake all of them. So, knowing
like that, all these boards besold, Like, like I said,
nineteen sixty seven, two million alonewere sold. So if you think from
the late eighteen hundreds to now,the amount of boards, and not just
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wage boards, because there's spirit boards, there's witchboards, there's talking boards,
people make them themselves. You justcan't have weedy written across the top.
Yeah. Really, all those boardsthat are used, they're made, they're
used, people use them constantly.Knowing all that doesn't make any sense that
if you're playing with one, you'reopening a gateway to hell. And that
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a demon's possessing you, Like,does that make any sense? Because literally,
we would all be possessed by demons, right, There'd just be demons
running rampant everywhere or something. Gatewayswould be left open constantly running rampant,
right yeah, yeah, it makesno sense when you start to think about
it exactly. I think that wasin two what was it in a I
think it was an American horror storycoven. I think the girls were playing
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with weij aboard and they accidentally likebrought out the guy, the acts man
or whatever. Oh yeah, remember, and like he was there haunting them
and everything like that. So well, the problem is not that you are
bringing anything out. The problem isnow that it's in your head that it
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could be something evil that if youuse the board and anything in your life
goes wrong, you're now attributing it, attributing it to the use of that
board, instead of like looking atit from like, you know, a
clear head and being like, Okay, something happened in my life. You
know, maybe I caused it.It wasn't some evil spirit, you know,
maybe my actions did it take someaccountability. This is like when we
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talked about that haunted painting, andwe talked about other haunted objects that people
are like saying online and everything.You're just a once you have it in
your head, you think that anythinggoes wrong is going to be that.
But the thing that went wrong couldhave gone wrong without the use of that.
I just never know. You wouldnever know. It's still like,
I don't know, would you stilllike, I know, like none of
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this is real. I'm so apprehensiveas how to use one. Okay,
me too, but after doing someresearch on doing learning all this stuff,
I'm kind of like, you know, I think I might like to try,
you know what, I would like? You know, I like the
look of them. I like howthey look. Yeah, but it is
a little scary. But really it'sjust like I said, it's just us
being brainwashed in your head. It'sall in your head. Now when it
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comes down to like the plant chatand everything, like your hand has to
be on it, right, Likeit has to be on, Yes,
it has to be on. Now. There are some rules. But you
know, here's the thing. Thereare some rules about it, but I
couldn't online find any people's lists ofrules that really were similar. It seems
like everybody just kind of was makingtheir crap up. But one of the
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things I think was common about theuse of it is you're not supposed to
use it alone, use it withsomebody else. And also the same thing
when you're doing like an EVP sessionor a spirit box session is to be
nice and kind and don't be meanor hateful or demanding, and always say
goodbye at the end because it saysgoodbye, Always go goodbye, and things
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like that, but basically just beingrespectful. Yeah, now that would be
an episode of Unrefined if we didn'ttalk about the Sopranos. But remember when
they were messing around with the Wigiboard on that Oh yeah, Janie kids
Elle out of her step kids oralmost step kids or something like that.
Yeah, she was trying to realBobby in bond with them over terrifying them.
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Like what. She wasn't trying tobond with them, she was trying
to real Bobby in as her husband. Yeah. It worked until they went
for him to get over his wifequicker so he could marry her. She's
terrible. So there have been afew real life murders associated with the use
of the Ouiji board, so we'llgo over those. In nineteen thirty a
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woman in Buffalo, New York,and I'm going to butcher her name because
I don't really understand how to spellthis. Her was say it like a
Buffalo New Yorker would say it.I don't know what cloth eyed marching.
Okay, never mind, I don'tknow what she was cloth clo t h
ilde Okay, I guess I don'tknow. Yeah, I don't know how
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to pronounce a cloth Eide was havingan affair with a woman named Lylah Jemerson.
For whatever reason, Lilah wanted clothEyed dead, so she sat down
with a WIGI board and another womannamed Nancy Bowen, who had recently lost
her husband. So I guess theywere trying to contact him. I don't
know what was happening. While usingthe board, Lylah manipulated it the planchette
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into saying that Clothide was a witchand was the one that murdered her husband,
and that she was going to murderher Nancy. Nancy, being scared,
she murders cloth Eyed first to getbefore getting to her. So really
there was no evil spirit at work. It was just an evil human being,
right. It was a little paranoid. Yeah. In nineteen thirty three,
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fifteen year old Maddie and her momDorothy were using a Oigi board.
It told them to kill her father, Ernest, Mattie's father, Dorothy's husband,
so that Dorothy could marry someone elsemore suited to her liking Oh,
for God's sake, So Maddie shotand killed her father. So it seems
like the mother just wanted out ofthat marriage to her daughter. Told you
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to exactly. So those are thekind of killings that would happen associated with
the Ouigi board. It was thatit would tell somebody to do something really,
but it was somebody else just manipulatingthe other person into doing their bidding.
Right. So, then after theExorcists came about, you start to
see murders that are associated with theWigi board that are about demons because now
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it's in their head. In nineteenninety five in London, Michael McCullum,
who was nineteen, killed fifteen yearold Michael Airidge after using a Wigi board
that told him to kill him.So, this guy, Michael McCollum,
had posters all over his room withlike the devil on it and like occult
symbols. He had tried to contactthe devil with the Ouigi board, asking
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Satan, what do you want meto do? And he said he heard
a voice in his head say killhim. So after he's arrested, after
the killing and everything, he's evaluatedby a psychiatrist and he was diagnosed as
being schizophrenic. So, now here'sa weird one. This was also in
the UK, like right around thesame time. During a murder trial in
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nineteen ninety four. Four jury membersused a makeshift Wuigi board. They did
it out of paper and they likeoverturned like a drinking glass and put their
hands like on the top of theglass, and they asked one of the
murder victims, who killed you?And according to the jurors, the spirit
had identified itself as Harry Fuller,who was one of the victims. The
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other victim was his wife. Thejurors asked who killed you, and it
said Stephen Young and Steven Young wason trial for the murder. Then they
asked how was he killed and itsaid shot, and that's how the two
of them were killed. They wereshot in their home. It then said
to vote guilty tomorrow, so StephenFiller was found guilty. He got sentenced
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for two life sentences, but thestory broke about what happened, that what
the jurys did, like in anewspaper, and so like a month later,
the verdict was thrown out by ajudge and they had to do a
retrial and he was found guilty againbecause he really did do it. Why
they had to use a Ouiji board, I do not understand we use any
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board, and that when they putDonald Trump on one of his trials or
something, my gosh. So okay, now here's just a really mess.
Step one, and this is twentyfourteen. Paul Carroll was using a Wiji
board and thought an evil spirit hadpossessed his dog. Yeah, so naturally
he kills the dog, and insteadof yeah, instead of burying the dog,
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Paul throws the body in an outsidedrain, which leads to it being
clogged. So then workers have tocome out to unclog this drain. They're
like, what's cogging it? Andthen they find this dead dog there.
Paul comes out and says, Okay, that's my dead dog. I threw
his body in there because he's likeobsessed by a demon. The week later
next week, Paul's wife and hisstepdaughter, Yeah, mess it around with
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the Wiji board again because I guessthe threat of an evil spirit attaching to
them or one of their pets waslike not enough to do, not enough.
The Wiji board said they would bothdie, So they thought, well,
if we're going to die, mightas well do it ourselves on our
own turns. So they set theirhouse on fire as a suicide attempt.
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But they survived, and they werecharged with arson. Like what are you
doing? People? Why? Iknow, God, I feel like this
is like, it's like I justI They set their house on fire and
tried to kill themselves, but theylived. I mean, that's just ridiculous.
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If they lived, then the Wiiboard was wrong. Yeah. I
don't know. I feel like ScottEvil sitting there talking to Doctor Evil and
he's like, I've got a gunin my room. I will go get
it and boom boom dead done.Like God, God, it's a ridiculous
thing. I don't know. Idon't know why you fire is the way
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to go? That would not bemy first choice. Oh why would that
be anyone's first choice? I guess, will burn ourselves. Maybe they thought
they would just go to sleep fromthe smoke. I don't know, it's
ridiculous. I know. So therehave been a lot of violence over other
board games. Okay, So Iwanted to point this out because people will
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be like, well see, youknow, even if it's not an evil
spirit, it just makes you dobad things. Let me tell you mis
oversaw. Okay, so this iswhat I'm saying. Their board games just
make people go crazy. And hereis some craziness. In twenty twenty two,
a family Monopoly game night ended withone member chasing them around with the
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gun and firing at them. Innineteen eighty seven, one man was shot
and killed during a Monopoly game ninetyI mean, let's do it. Induces
violence for sure. In nineteen ninetyone, two friends in Pennsylvania, Michael
and Mark, were playing Monopoly whenan argument broke out. Mark pulled out
a compound bow and shot Michael inthe chest, killing him. And I
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know, so that's just like asampling of like the Monopoly ones. Because
Monopoly, like I said, thereis a lot of violence and board flipping
and all kinds of things happening withMonopoly. But it's not just Monopoly.
There are other things like chess,checkers, Phase ten battleship, dungeon and
dragons, and who knows how manypeople were shot over poker games, especially
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like in the wild West. Youknow that happened like all the time.
Right, not to mention gambling andthings like that, right, just gathering
and pokemon. I mean, comeon, exactly, So let's not single
out weezy boards making people do badthings. It's literally every board game and
every game because guess what humans existin humans are the evil ones. My
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brother and I would get into suchfights over video games because he was that
it makes you want to lose yourmind. It does, it really really
does. Everybody knows Monopoly it's becauseMonopoly. I think it's too long of
a game. Yes, it's wearingyou down and you just don't want to
even play it anymore, and you'regetting pissed off. You want to know
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who created Monopoly, psychopath? Nosayan say in creative Monopoly, the only
person because it's so evil. It'sI hate it. I hate that game.
I don't want to ever play thatgame. Well maybe once in a
while my son will like be like, can we play this game with the
money, And I'm like, youdo not want to play? Throw that
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game away. So that's not evenan option. Do not even want to
play it? Not not even close. There's so many other games that you
could play. Yeah, so,I mean he loses his mind over candy
Land. You're not gonna play Monopoly. Everybody knows candy Land and shoot some
ladders. Those games are ladders.Those games are made to make kids scream.
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There's no other You get to shootand you gotta go all the way
or yeah, the shoot and yougotta go all the way back down.
I'm flipping it over. That's it. I'm done. I'm flipping the game.
I'm walking away. I'm just gonnalet them win and miscount. I'm
just so I can end it personally. I'm gonna be pissed off and I'm
gonna get I'm gonna go. Idon't want that either. I just want
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it to be as quickly as possible. You know what you do? You
play a card game with somebody andyou get so pissed off that you're like,
I'll play the next game. Youknow what the next game is,
and you flip the cards at them. It's fifty to you pick up good
luck and you just wait. Sucha diff that's all I have for Wiji
boards. Yeah, do you thinkthey're evil? No, I don't know,
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Like I don't think they're evil,Like, I don't know. I'm
still apprehensive about it because I'm gone, yeah, I don't know. So
the whole thing is like I'm solike, I'm so skeptical on things,
but then like other things have justbeen like pounded and burnded my brain and
I can't shake it, you know, have to release it. They also
said, you know what was funny, and one of the rules of playing
with the Wigia board was like,don't play it in your house. I'm
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like, where would you play withit? Then literally everybody was playing it
in their house. What are youtalking about? Right? So, well,
you know, it's so funny.So I don't know. Is a
wija board? Is that a seance? Is that a part of a seance?
You use them during a si Theythey would sometimes like in the Victorian
era with the spiritualism, it wouldhave been part of a seance. It
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would have been one of the thingsthey may have used. I'm very curious.
So we are going to be takingpart in a seance and you could
join us during this seance if youwanted to in Saint Louis on November fourth.
The ticket link is in our bio. This is a VIP event.
Tickets are limited. There are onlya handful of them available, so if
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you want to take part in this, you need to get them quick.
It's going on to the Saint LouisHaunted Mansion November fourth. Now, prior
to that vip seance, we're goingto be doing a ghost hunt, so
you can join us for the ghosthunt as well. And before that,
the Saint Louis Hana Mansion is doinga psychic fair and open house that you
can attend as well. So it'sgoing to be a really fun day at
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the Saint Louis Hanted Mansion on Novemberfourth. But if you head over to
the description of our episode, youcan get tickets to the ghost hunt and
the vip seance right now. Wewould love for you to join us in
saying I don't know what we're doingfor the seance. I thought that too.
I wonder if we're going to usea weigi boards, so it's not
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we are in control of the salancesomebody else's. I want it to be
like one of those old school oneswhere we're all sitting around like a table
with like a candle lit and wehave our holder holding. We've seen the
table, right, doesn't it havelike a crystal ball in the middle of
it? Am I making that upin my head? I think you're making
that up. I don't think Ihad a crystal ball. Gosh, maybe
you want it. Rains are apowerful thing. I may have a picture
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of it. Yeah, maybe forsome reason, I think it's like a
round table with a crystal ball andlike a tablecloth. I think it's a
round table and a tablecloth. ButI think you're a crystal ball. Yeah,
I don't know me Maybe you're thinkingof Madame Ruby. I don't know.
I don't know. Oh. AnotherOigi board movie if you want to
watch. These are the more recentones. They were actually produced by Hasbro
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is Wigi. It's like the Wigimovie and then the second one was just
a prequel to that one and wayway better is really good. Actually I
watched this one yesterday. Luigi Board, uh something, Origins of Evil is
what it's called. It's funny becausethis yeah, okay, so they're like
leaning into it. They don't care, they're just totally leaning into it,
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Like who everybody's into it, sowe might as well just go all in
for somebody else. But the backstoryis way more interesting the prequel. The
second one is really quite good,but I would watch them in theatrical release
because I think you'll ruin it foryourself if you watch them like the prequel
first, So watch sit in orderof theatrical release. Well, there you
go. Do the Star Wars thing. You don't try to jump. Don't
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try to jump make more sense tome, you think, Yeah, well,
I think that that's it. That'sall we got for you guys.
Again. All the details when wewill be in Saint Louis for our big
ghost hunt and seance are. Thelinks for everything is in the description of
this episode, as well as linksto everything else so you can get to
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to Unrefined Vintage, which is Metri'svintage shop, which has all kinds of
goodies in there for Halloween, Christmas, and anything else in between. If
you want vintage stuff, she's gotit, guys, and she'll get more
because she is a machine over there. So yeah, all day, every
day, all day, every day. Yeah, everytantly, going to the
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thrift store, that's what I'm thestate sells everything, going to some this
weekend, going to garage sales,finding some crazy things. You never getting
old people's stuff. That's right.They don't need it anymore. They're dying,
you know, or already dead,can't Who knows. Some of it
might be haunted and I just don'tknow it, and it could be.
I don't claim that any of itis. But maybe the right person he
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has to unlock its haunting. That'strue. I wonder about that sometimes though.
Maybe. Yeah, the things,the whole stone tape theory thing that
you need somebody to activate it,and maybe I'm not the one that can
activate it, do you know whatI mean? Yeah? Maybe maybe Maybe
that's what I've never come across anythinghaunted. Maybe that's why. But there
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is still time anyway, guys.That's all we have for this episode of
Unrefined. We are very appreciative ofyour listenership, but until next time,
we'll catch you on the next episodeof Unrefined.
All right, guys, Welcome backis Unrefined. Eja is my name with
me as always is Mitra. Weare knee deep into spooky season, guys,
and we are rearing and ready togo. Remember, head over to
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that you can follow us over onsocial media. You can also get to
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Mitra's vintage shop, Unrefined Vintage rightthere in there too. And maybe one
day I'll pronounce the word vintage correctlyinstead of gro reach. Yeah, I
talk for a living. That's whatI do, right, sound good doing
it too? Anyway, we areready and we are excited for you guys
to be here for this episode numbertwo hundred and fifteen of Unrefined. Mitra's
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been doing some research and some workfor this one, as she does for
all of them, saying it likethis one like it's a special case.
No, she researches and does everythingfor more almost every show you hear,
except for on the occasion when Iam not the last one. You did
well, the last one well,the last one I did, the Capital
one and then we did the interviewwith Victoria. But this one, this
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is this is all you these theseare all you anyway, Okay, let's
talk about what you have prepared.We're going to do Ouiji board history,
which I've really been wanting to doa show on Wigi boards. Okay.
A few weeks ago, I wasjust, you know, looking for a
movie to watch, and I cameacross which Board two. Now I haven't
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seen which Board one, but Isaw Whichboard two and I was like,
okay, which board? Which boardis spirit board, talking board? We
do board, They're all the samething we do. Board's a brand name.
I was like, okay, I'mgoing to watch this now. I
didn't know anything about which Board one, so I didn't know if I was
missing something something right, But fromwhat I could tell, yeah, Now,
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first of all, I watched withtwo, and then like a week
later I did go back and watchWhichboard one, and it seems as though
they have there's no connection between thetwo really. So it was fine,
and I wanted to say it wasmade. I want to say nineteen ninety
three. The acting was terrible.Was there anybody famous in it? I
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don't think so, not that Inoticed it's not on Earth, but in
this movie it was just recommended,I think on HBO Max. It was
just like a recommended from like youknow, my watchings. They're like,
you'll like this crap, and itwas actually really good. I was surprised.
Okay, besides like the bad actingand everything, it was actually entertaining,
much more so than a lot ofthe other horror movies that I watched.
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So when I went back and watchedWhichboard one very similar format to the
second one it was, it was, Yeah, it was really good.
It was actually the acting was worsein the first one, so I was
happy that, like they had somekind of improvement. Whichboard one was nineteen
eighty I think a d in betweenthe sequel. Yeah, So anyways,
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if you're looking for some random horrormovie to watch, that's bad acting.
But you know what, it wasa good story. It was a decent
story, So I'll give them that. It was a solid story. You
know. I will say that onall the streaming services, if you go
deep enough into their library, youwere going to find some weird shit.
But you know what, it's interesting. It's like things that you would have
seen on TV on the weekend,like you know, in the late nineties
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or something, you know, justplaying on TBS or something I don't know.
I currently have on my list onpeacock to watch a movie called Kung
Fu Ghost And Oh that sounds promising. It does, I'm excited. So
I decided, Okay, maybe nowis the time I watched this witchboard,
like I should put together the LuijiBoard show that I've been wanting to do.
All Right, So the question isare they a fun slumber party game
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or a gateway to hell? Oh? After the show, it can only
be one of those two, exactly. So, And now I know we've
said on the show that I've neverused a Wigi board, and basically because
I've been brainwashed from like basically popculture and the media to believing that some
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kind of evil spirit will like comeafter me or follow me around if I
use it, right, Yeah,which I realize is completely dumb and irrational
thinking, especially since we use spiritbox and digital recorders to talk to spirits.
And that's exactly what a o Wigiboard is. It's spirit board,
a talking board. It's to communicatewith spirits or ghosts or whatever. Right,
So the spear box is just likea high tech version of what a
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Weiji board is basically, So really, I shouldn't be like scared to use
it. But it's not brainwashing that'sbeen in your head the whole your whole
life, right, just tough though, you know, like it is a
hard thing with the wee. Here'sthe thing, my parents never told me,
oh that's better or evil. Iwas never taught that by like my
parents because we didn't grow up likewith any kind of religion really, you
know, so I wasn't taught that. I just I guess picked it up
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from like movies and stuff. Soanyways, to get on with here's some
history on the Ouiji board. SoOuigi is the trademark name for what is
referred to, like I said,a talking board or a spirit board,
And anyone can make a spirit board, but you can't call it ouigi because
that's the brand name, like Kleenexor Q tip or Coke, you know,
that's the brand name. So thespirit world talking to the spirit world
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has been around for basically as longas humans have existed, and the talking
board have their roots in ancient China. So what they used it was called
fuji or sometimes called fuji writing orChinese wuigi. And basically what it looks
like is it kind of looks likefrom what I could see from the pictures,
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like a sandbox that's kind of likeon top of a table. Okay,
you have a stick that has likehandles, and basically you would like
ask a question and the stick orrods would like move and make you know
the Chinese symbols or characters in areyou the sticks? You are holding it
like you would have your hands onthe plane chet, right, Yeah,
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So basically that's how it worked.In the mid eighteen hundred, spiritualism became
popular in Europe and it spread tothe United States and other English speaking countries.
And spiritualism was like this movement orbelief that living people could communicate with
the dead people. And back then, people you know, frequently lost their
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loved ones from all kinds of likediseases, infections, childbirth, war,
you know, children died at veryyoung ages. There was horrible accidents because
people weren't you know, cautious ofthings. You know, they didn't have
really rules like I always think,like I read that uh book about the
homes the guy that did the allthe murders in Chicago, the Devil in
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the White City or whatever, andthey talked about the carriages in the city.
There was no like rules about thecarriages. They would just drive in
like any direction, right, Therewas no like stoplights or anything, and
people were getting run over and killedby carriages like all the time. It's
crazy. There was like no regulation. So anyways, for yeah, So
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anyways, the spiritualism movement really tookoff and became popular as a way to
like connect with the people that youlove that loss you lost, and it
was a way to grieve really,you know, people basically still do the
same thing, right, Yeah,So this Chinese fouji writing was adapted.
I don't know who adapted it.I tried to figure out where it really
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came from, and it doesn't reallyhave an exact source, but they started
to use that. Maybe it wasin France because planchette means little plank in
French, and that was used asa tool that was a little board.
So it's kind of sometimes it's likea heart shaped or a shield shape or
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almost like a rounded out triangle shapelike different people would them differently. But
that's all it was, was thelittle planchet And at the point, and
why there is a point, thereis a pencil or some kind of writing
device would go through that and therewould be wheels on the other side,
and you would hold it and youwould ask a question and it would move
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and it would write out the responses. So that was what they used to
be. And that's like really interestingAnd that's actually something I learned in that
Witchboard movie because they gave the girlone to write with and she was like,
well, when how who developed this? And the guy's like, oh,
it's been around forever. And thenI went and looked it up and
I was like, oh wow,I had never heard of that, So
that was interesting. Is that likethe scrying or no? Is that something
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different? No, that's something different, Okay, So I believe that is
why it is the shape that itis with a point, because that's where
the writing device would sit. Thatmakes sense. So many people began making
and selling their own spirit boards,Like people would make them at home,
you know, and they would useplanchettes and they would make their own boards
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and stuff. And I'm not exactlysure when the actual board came to be
about as well, but it startedto like they took out the pencil and
started just using the board and thepointer would then point to like yes,
no, or like you know,the letters and stuff like that. Yeah
so, And at the time,no one really saw using spirit boards as
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being evil. It was kind oflike a family gathering. You know,
on a Saturday night, your friendsor family would come over. You'd use
the spirit board, talk to deadpeople, talk to dead relatives, go
to bed, wake up. Thenext morning it's Sunday, you go to
church, and nobody thought anything ofit. It was like perfectly normal,
wholesome family fun and nobody thought anythingof it. How enjoyable, Yeah,
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exactly so. Charles Kennard saw thepopularity of spirit boards and decided to sell
his own. He teamed up withElijah Bond, a patent attorney. Elijah
had a sister, Helen Peters,who was a medium. They designed board
and plant it to market, butthey needed a name. On April twenty
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fifth, eighteen ninety, they helda seance and they asked the spirits what
the board wanted to be called.And it's spelled out ou i ja.
When asked what it meant, itspelled out the letters for good luck.
Now the word wija, which it'sactually supposed to be called Wija, not
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ouigi. For whatever reason, itgets mispronounced right, because over the years
and how the English language progresses,things get mispronounced. So now people say
ouigi, but technically it's wiga.But you can say ouigi. It is
perfectly fine. Now people will saythat that word means yes, yes in
French and German, that we isFrench for yes, and that jaw is
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German for yes, and that thatis where the name came from, but
that is not the origin of thename. Helen Peters, who was the
medium who was there at the seance, Yes, She was a big fan
of a female English author named Weedaspelled O U I d A, so
you replace the D with the Jand you have Wija. Okay. So
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Weeda was a pen name of MarieLuis Rami. She was sort of like
a symbol for independent, forward thinkingwomen at the time, and she was
kind of like if you you werelike a fan of hers, then you
were like telling everybody that, youknow, I'm very like, you know,
forward thinking, I'm independent, youknow, you know, it's like
that kind of like pre feminist movement. I don't know, but that's just
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kind of like what it was.Helen Peters was wearing a lockett of Weeda's
picture and her signature was on thelockett. Now the signature looks like it
says Wija. Okay, right,and so Helen being like this big fan
or whatever, did she just notknow that's how her name was, and
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she just misspelled the name on theboard because she was a big fan and
wanted the board named after her,you know, like maybe she thought she
couldn't be like, hey, let'sname it after her, that they wouldn't
want it because you know, theywere men. So she was like,
well, I'll just make it thatit's the spirit's telling, you know.
So who knows? Nobody knows.And when I was reading this, I
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was like, well, was thatWido woman? Was she alive? Was
it her spirit doing it? Andso I looked it up and she was
still alive, So it wasn't herghosts guiding it. Weeda died in nineteen
o eight, the seance took placein eighteen nineties, so couldn't have been
her spirit. Okay, So anyways, time the board doing it. Yeah,
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so the board now has a namewe Ja. Right, next step
is to patent it so no oneelse can sell it. So really it's
a made up name. It's amade up word. It means nothing,
it means really doesn't mean anything.I mean, it was named after this
author, allegedly allegedly. So inorder to get the patent for the Wigia
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board, they had to prove thatit really worked. So Elijah Bond,
who was a patent lawyer, hegoes down to the patent office with his
sister Helen in Washington. The chiefpatent officer is very skeptical and he asks
for a demonstration. The officer said, asks the board what my name is,
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and this is eighteen ninety one.It's not like he had a name
tag on or anything. Yeah,so they set up the Wuiji board.
They asked for his name and itspells it out correctly, and the officer
is totally freaked out and he issuesthe patent to them. So the thing
is, like I said, ElijahBond was a patent attorney, and he
most likely knew the name of thechief patent officer because he's the attorney and
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he files paperwork and he works inthat business. So there's a very good
that he already knew this guy's namebut had never met him in person,
and so the guy wouldn't have knownwho he was or anything. You know,
you guys can't see this, butmy head so far in hands right
now for this type of thing,Like, yeah, seriously. So in
eighteen ninety two, Weigi boards soldfor a dollar fifty, which would be
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like thirty three dollars a day,which is insane if you think about it.
Are you paying thirty three dollars forour board game? No? Yeah,
exactly. I mean I don't know. We've paid a lot of money
for a spirit box that we thinkwe're talking to dead people with. So
you know what I mean, Idon't know. I didn't have electronics back
then. I guess that's true.That's true. So in nineteen oh one,
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William Fuld bought the rights to Ouiji. He added the looking glass in
the top, so now instead ofit pointing to it, the glass is
going over the actual letters and everything, which always confused me because I thought
it was supposed to point to things. But yeah, I guess not ye.
So anyways, he was really greatat mark marketing, a business was
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booming for him. In nineteen eighteen, he built a new factory in Baltimore
for one hundred k, which waslike one point nine million today. He
built this factory after consulting the WigiBoard so it told him to build it.
But the factory would be his doombecause in nineteen twenty seven, while
overseeing a flagpole installation, William felloff the roof of the factory. One
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of his ribs pierced his heart,but he didn't die right away. He
did die, but not right away, and on his deathbed he asked his
children please don't ever sell the company, which they never did. But eventually
there was no more descendants and thecompany did get sold. In nineteen sixty
six, Ouigi was sold to ParkerBrothers for eight point nine million dollars and
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in the nineteen sixties, Wigi boardwas out selling Monopoly. Literally everybody had
a Wigi board at this time.I think in nineteen sixty seven they sold
two million boards. Okay, that'san insane a lot of boards. Yeah,
do you think if you're gonna seea vintage board that's probably gonna be
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from that time period, because thatthey were just manufacturing them like crazy.
Like Parker Brothers actually couldn't keep upwith demand. They ended up selling the
company because they couldn't keep up withit. It was too much they made
on their money back, and somevery quickly, and then they sold it
because they couldn't keep up with it. The General Mills, I know,
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I thought they only did serial apparentlynot all right, interesting, So no
one is associating the Wigi board withthe demons at this time, right,
nobody's really associating that at all withit until nineteen seventy three when a little
movie called The Exorcist hit theaters andfreaked everybody out. So the movie is
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loosely based on true events. Aspeople probably already know, the movie is
about a girl who finds a Wigiboard, plays with and it becomes possessed
with the demon. Yeah. Ijust watched that one recently too. There's
just a small section where she's messingaround with the board and she thinks she's
talking to someone saying Captain howdy,and her mom just brushes it off.
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She's the mom sees it move byitself. Yeah, and she's the mom's
like, oh, you're really excitedto play. She doesn't even think that
it's anything so, and I thinkthat's what people's thought back then was too,
like, oh, this is justa fun game, we're just playing
around. I don't think anything ofit. Isn't that what it was too?
Like they tried to like the wholelike Enfield Poultergeist thing that happened with
like the Warrens investigated and everything likethat. The girls like allegedly were also
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playing with like a Oija board orspirit board. Remember honestly, yeah,
I don't know that fake anyway,so it doesn't matter. Hey guys,
DJ from Unrefined and I just wouldlike to invite you to join us in
Saint Louis November fourth. Mantion.November fourth is going to be a good
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day if you're into the paranormal inSaint Louis, because they've got a lot
going on. If you've never beento the Saint Louis Haunted Mansion, make
sure you stop by from two pmto six pm on November fourth, where
there's psychic fair in open house.You'll be able to hear some ghost stories
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that from seven pm to nine pmjoin us Unrefined where our ghost hunt at
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hunt will be followed by a traditionalVictorian seance. The tickets are limited to
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that, so if you want toattend, make sure you get them napped.
November fourth, join Unrefined in SaintLouis as we tackle the paranormal and
have a good time. So themovie is loosely blake based on supposedly true
events that happened in the nineteen fortieswith the boy named Roland Hunkleer who was
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thought to be possessed after playing alsowith a Ouiji board, which they he
just died recently. I didn't knowthis in twenty twenty at the age of
eighty five. And he was alsohuh did he have COVID No, I
don't know. Actually he was aNASA engineer and like helped on like the
Apollo rockets and stuff like that.It was really interesting I was reading about
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them. Yeah, so right beforethe Exorcist movie came out, there was
like this real fear of like coltsand stuff, because Colts were on the
rise. You had the Manson murders. You had like the Church of Satan
or whatever was founded I think likein nineteen sixty six. So like all
this, these things are going on, and it just making a perfect you
know mix for when this movie comesout for people to like be super freaked
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out. That was was that thesatanic panic? Is that? What that
was? That? Well, thesatanic panas started like in the eighties,
so it would have been right afterthe movie because the movie is seventy three,
and then there was sequel, whichwas terrible. I tried to watch
it. And then you're going intosatanic panic in the eighties and into the
nineties. So gotcha. Now theWigi boards are seen as demonic and evil,
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when before, like I said,it was just a game or a
way to talk to a loved one, a parlor game, like you would
come on, you can invite friendsover. You'd be like, oh,
let's have some tea exactly. That'saround with the Wija board, just a
good time. So eventually, likeI said, Wigi boards were sold General
Mills and then they were sold againto Hasbro in nineteen ninety one who still
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has it today, and anything withthe word Wuigi on it has to be
licensed through Hasbro. Yeah. Isaw like too, because I remember a
long time ago when we first startedreally like making like graphics and stuff.
You had made that one graphic thatwas like, yeah, it was like
a Wija board and you put Wijiat the top of it. I did,
and I remember I showed it tosomebody and they were like, yo,
you need to change that because itHasbro sees it like they will sue
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you one hundred percent. So yeah, here's all of our no moneys we
make from everything. Yeah, pleasetake all of them. So, knowing
like that, all these boards besold, Like, like I said,
nineteen sixty seven, two million alonewere sold. So if you think from
the late eighteen hundreds to now,the amount of boards, and not just
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wage boards, because there's spirit boards, there's witchboards, there's talking boards,
people make them themselves. You justcan't have weedy written across the top.
Yeah. Really, all those boardsthat are used, they're made, they're
used, people use them constantly.Knowing all that doesn't make any sense that
if you're playing with one, you'reopening a gateway to hell. And that
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a demon's possessing you, Like,does that make any sense? Because literally,
we would all be possessed by demons, right, There'd just be demons
running rampant everywhere or something. Gatewayswould be left open constantly running rampant,
right yeah, yeah, it makesno sense when you start to think about
it exactly. I think that wasin two what was it in a I
think it was an American horror storycoven. I think the girls were playing
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with weij aboard and they accidentally likebrought out the guy, the acts man
or whatever. Oh yeah, remember, and like he was there haunting them
and everything like that. So well, the problem is not that you are
bringing anything out. The problem isnow that it's in your head that it
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could be something evil that if youuse the board and anything in your life
goes wrong, you're now attributing it, attributing it to the use of that
board, instead of like looking atit from like, you know, a
clear head and being like, Okay, something happened in my life. You
know, maybe I caused it.It wasn't some evil spirit, you know,
maybe my actions did it take someaccountability. This is like when we
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talked about that haunted painting, andwe talked about other haunted objects that people
are like saying online and everything.You're just a once you have it in
your head, you think that anythinggoes wrong is going to be that.
But the thing that went wrong couldhave gone wrong without the use of that.
I just never know. You wouldnever know. It's still like,
I don't know, would you stilllike, I know, like none of
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this is real. I'm so apprehensiveas how to use one. Okay,
me too, but after doing someresearch on doing learning all this stuff,
I'm kind of like, you know, I think I might like to try,
you know what, I would like? You know, I like the
look of them. I like howthey look. Yeah, but it is
a little scary. But really it'sjust like I said, it's just us
being brainwashed in your head. It'sall in your head. Now when it
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comes down to like the plant chatand everything, like your hand has to
be on it, right, Likeit has to be on, Yes,
it has to be on. Now. There are some rules. But you
know, here's the thing. Thereare some rules about it, but I
couldn't online find any people's lists ofrules that really were similar. It seems
like everybody just kind of was makingtheir crap up. But one of the
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things I think was common about theuse of it is you're not supposed to
use it alone, use it withsomebody else. And also the same thing
when you're doing like an EVP sessionor a spirit box session is to be
nice and kind and don't be meanor hateful or demanding, and always say
goodbye at the end because it saysgoodbye, Always go goodbye, and things
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like that, but basically just beingrespectful. Yeah, now that would be
an episode of Unrefined if we didn'ttalk about the Sopranos. But remember when
they were messing around with the Wigiboard on that Oh yeah, Janie kids
Elle out of her step kids oralmost step kids or something like that.
Yeah, she was trying to realBobby in bond with them over terrifying them.
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Like what. She wasn't trying tobond with them, she was trying
to real Bobby in as her husband. Yeah. It worked until they went
for him to get over his wifequicker so he could marry her. She's
terrible. So there have been afew real life murders associated with the use
of the Ouiji board, so we'llgo over those. In nineteen thirty a
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woman in Buffalo, New York,and I'm going to butcher her name because
I don't really understand how to spellthis. Her was say it like a
Buffalo New Yorker would say it.I don't know what cloth eyed marching.
Okay, never mind, I don'tknow what she was cloth clo t h
ilde Okay, I guess I don'tknow. Yeah, I don't know how
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to pronounce a cloth Eide was havingan affair with a woman named Lylah Jemerson.
For whatever reason, Lilah wanted clothEyed dead, so she sat down
with a WIGI board and another womannamed Nancy Bowen, who had recently lost
her husband. So I guess theywere trying to contact him. I don't
know what was happening. While usingthe board, Lylah manipulated it the planchette
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into saying that Clothide was a witchand was the one that murdered her husband,
and that she was going to murderher Nancy. Nancy, being scared,
she murders cloth Eyed first to getbefore getting to her. So really
there was no evil spirit at work. It was just an evil human being,
right. It was a little paranoid. Yeah. In nineteen thirty three,
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fifteen year old Maddie and her momDorothy were using a Oigi board.
It told them to kill her father, Ernest, Mattie's father, Dorothy's husband,
so that Dorothy could marry someone elsemore suited to her liking Oh,
for God's sake, So Maddie shotand killed her father. So it seems
like the mother just wanted out ofthat marriage to her daughter. Told you
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to exactly. So those are thekind of killings that would happen associated with
the Ouigi board. It was thatit would tell somebody to do something really,
but it was somebody else just manipulatingthe other person into doing their bidding.
Right. So, then after theExorcists came about, you start to
see murders that are associated with theWigi board that are about demons because now
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it's in their head. In nineteenninety five in London, Michael McCullum,
who was nineteen, killed fifteen yearold Michael Airidge after using a Wigi board
that told him to kill him.So, this guy, Michael McCollum,
had posters all over his room withlike the devil on it and like occult
symbols. He had tried to contactthe devil with the Ouigi board, asking
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Satan, what do you want meto do? And he said he heard
a voice in his head say killhim. So after he's arrested, after
the killing and everything, he's evaluatedby a psychiatrist and he was diagnosed as
being schizophrenic. So, now here'sa weird one. This was also in
the UK, like right around thesame time. During a murder trial in
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nineteen ninety four. Four jury membersused a makeshift Wuigi board. They did
it out of paper and they likeoverturned like a drinking glass and put their
hands like on the top of theglass, and they asked one of the
murder victims, who killed you?And according to the jurors, the spirit
had identified itself as Harry Fuller,who was one of the victims. The
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other victim was his wife. Thejurors asked who killed you, and it
said Stephen Young and Steven Young wason trial for the murder. Then they
asked how was he killed and itsaid shot, and that's how the two
of them were killed. They wereshot in their home. It then said
to vote guilty tomorrow, so StephenFiller was found guilty. He got sentenced
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for two life sentences, but thestory broke about what happened, that what
the jurys did, like in anewspaper, and so like a month later,
the verdict was thrown out by ajudge and they had to do a
retrial and he was found guilty againbecause he really did do it. Why
they had to use a Ouiji board, I do not understand we use any
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board, and that when they putDonald Trump on one of his trials or
something, my gosh. So okay, now here's just a really mess.
Step one, and this is twentyfourteen. Paul Carroll was using a Wiji
board and thought an evil spirit hadpossessed his dog. Yeah, so naturally
he kills the dog, and insteadof yeah, instead of burying the dog,
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Paul throws the body in an outsidedrain, which leads to it being
clogged. So then workers have tocome out to unclog this drain. They're
like, what's cogging it? Andthen they find this dead dog there.
Paul comes out and says, Okay, that's my dead dog. I threw
his body in there because he's likeobsessed by a demon. The week later
next week, Paul's wife and hisstepdaughter, Yeah, mess it around with
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the Wiji board again because I guessthe threat of an evil spirit attaching to
them or one of their pets waslike not enough to do, not enough.
The Wiji board said they would bothdie, So they thought, well,
if we're going to die, mightas well do it ourselves on our
own turns. So they set theirhouse on fire as a suicide attempt.
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But they survived, and they werecharged with arson. Like what are you
doing? People? Why? Iknow, God, I feel like this
is like, it's like I justI They set their house on fire and
tried to kill themselves, but theylived. I mean, that's just ridiculous.
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If they lived, then the Wiiboard was wrong. Yeah. I
don't know. I feel like ScottEvil sitting there talking to Doctor Evil and
he's like, I've got a gunin my room. I will go get
it and boom boom dead done.Like God, God, it's a ridiculous
thing. I don't know. Idon't know why you fire is the way
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to go? That would not bemy first choice. Oh why would that
be anyone's first choice? I guess, will burn ourselves. Maybe they thought
they would just go to sleep fromthe smoke. I don't know, it's
ridiculous. I know. So therehave been a lot of violence over other
board games. Okay, So Iwanted to point this out because people will
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be like, well see, youknow, even if it's not an evil
spirit, it just makes you dobad things. Let me tell you mis
oversaw. Okay, so this iswhat I'm saying. Their board games just
make people go crazy. And hereis some craziness. In twenty twenty two,
a family Monopoly game night ended withone member chasing them around with the
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gun and firing at them. Innineteen eighty seven, one man was shot
and killed during a Monopoly game ninetyI mean, let's do it. Induces
violence for sure. In nineteen ninetyone, two friends in Pennsylvania, Michael
and Mark, were playing Monopoly whenan argument broke out. Mark pulled out
a compound bow and shot Michael inthe chest, killing him. And I
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know, so that's just like asampling of like the Monopoly ones. Because
Monopoly, like I said, thereis a lot of violence and board flipping
and all kinds of things happening withMonopoly. But it's not just Monopoly.
There are other things like chess,checkers, Phase ten battleship, dungeon and
dragons, and who knows how manypeople were shot over poker games, especially
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like in the wild West. Youknow that happened like all the time.
Right, not to mention gambling andthings like that, right, just gathering
and pokemon. I mean, comeon, exactly, So let's not single
out weezy boards making people do badthings. It's literally every board game and
every game because guess what humans existin humans are the evil ones. My
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brother and I would get into suchfights over video games because he was that
it makes you want to lose yourmind. It does, it really really
does. Everybody knows Monopoly it's becauseMonopoly. I think it's too long of
a game. Yes, it's wearingyou down and you just don't want to
even play it anymore, and you'regetting pissed off. You want to know
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who created Monopoly, psychopath? Nosayan say in creative Monopoly, the only
person because it's so evil. It'sI hate it. I hate that game.
I don't want to ever play thatgame. Well maybe once in a
while my son will like be like, can we play this game with the
money, And I'm like, youdo not want to play? Throw that
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game away. So that's not evenan option. Do not even want to
play it? Not not even close. There's so many other games that you
could play. Yeah, so,I mean he loses his mind over candy
Land. You're not gonna play Monopoly. Everybody knows candy Land and shoot some
ladders. Those games are ladders.Those games are made to make kids scream.
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There's no other You get to shootand you gotta go all the way
or yeah, the shoot and yougotta go all the way back down.
I'm flipping it over. That's it. I'm done. I'm flipping the game.
I'm walking away. I'm just gonnalet them win and miscount. I'm
just so I can end it personally. I'm gonna be pissed off and I'm
gonna get I'm gonna go. Idon't want that either. I just want
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it to be as quickly as possible. You know what you do? You
play a card game with somebody andyou get so pissed off that you're like,
I'll play the next game. Youknow what the next game is,
and you flip the cards at them. It's fifty to you pick up good
luck and you just wait. Sucha diff that's all I have for Wiji
boards. Yeah, do you thinkthey're evil? No, I don't know,
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Like I don't think they're evil,Like, I don't know. I'm
still apprehensive about it because I'm gone, yeah, I don't know. So
the whole thing is like I'm solike, I'm so skeptical on things,
but then like other things have justbeen like pounded and burnded my brain and
I can't shake it, you know, have to release it. They also
said, you know what was funny, and one of the rules of playing
with the Wigia board was like,don't play it in your house. I'm
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like, where would you play withit? Then literally everybody was playing it
in their house. What are youtalking about? Right? So, well,
you know, it's so funny.So I don't know. Is a
wija board? Is that a seance? Is that a part of a seance?
You use them during a si Theythey would sometimes like in the Victorian
era with the spiritualism, it wouldhave been part of a seance. It
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would have been one of the thingsthey may have used. I'm very curious.
So we are going to be takingpart in a seance and you could
join us during this seance if youwanted to in Saint Louis on November fourth.
The ticket link is in our bio. This is a VIP event.
Tickets are limited. There are onlya handful of them available, so if
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you want to take part in this, you need to get them quick.
It's going on to the Saint LouisHaunted Mansion November fourth. Now, prior
to that vip seance, we're goingto be doing a ghost hunt, so
you can join us for the ghosthunt as well. And before that,
the Saint Louis Hana Mansion is doinga psychic fair and open house that you
can attend as well. So it'sgoing to be a really fun day at
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the Saint Louis Hanted Mansion on Novemberfourth. But if you head over to
the description of our episode, youcan get tickets to the ghost hunt and
the vip seance right now. Wewould love for you to join us in
saying I don't know what we're doingfor the seance. I thought that too.
I wonder if we're going to usea weigi boards, so it's not
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we are in control of the salancesomebody else's. I want it to be
like one of those old school oneswhere we're all sitting around like a table
with like a candle lit and wehave our holder holding. We've seen the
table, right, doesn't it havelike a crystal ball in the middle of
it? Am I making that upin my head? I think you're making
that up. I don't think Ihad a crystal ball. Gosh, maybe
you want it. Rains are apowerful thing. I may have a picture
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of it. Yeah, maybe forsome reason, I think it's like a
round table with a crystal ball andlike a tablecloth. I think it's a
round table and a tablecloth. ButI think you're a crystal ball. Yeah,
I don't know me Maybe you're thinkingof Madame Ruby. I don't know.
I don't know. Oh. AnotherOigi board movie if you want to
watch. These are the more recentones. They were actually produced by Hasbro
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is Wigi. It's like the Wigimovie and then the second one was just
a prequel to that one and wayway better is really good. Actually I
watched this one yesterday. Luigi Board, uh something, Origins of Evil is
what it's called. It's funny becausethis yeah, okay, so they're like
leaning into it. They don't care, they're just totally leaning into it,
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Like who everybody's into it, sowe might as well just go all in
for somebody else. But the backstoryis way more interesting the prequel. The
second one is really quite good,but I would watch them in theatrical release
because I think you'll ruin it foryourself if you watch them like the prequel
first, So watch sit in orderof theatrical release. Well, there you
go. Do the Star Wars thing. You don't try to jump. Don't
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try to jump make more sense tome, you think, Yeah, well,
I think that that's it. That'sall we got for you guys.
Again. All the details when wewill be in Saint Louis for our big
ghost hunt and seance are. Thelinks for everything is in the description of
this episode, as well as linksto everything else so you can get to
to follow us on social media tokeep up with our shenanigans and also get
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to Unrefined Vintage, which is Metri'svintage shop, which has all kinds of
goodies in there for Halloween, Christmas, and anything else in between. If
you want vintage stuff, she's gotit, guys, and she'll get more
because she is a machine over there. So yeah, all day, every
day, all day, every day. Yeah, everytantly, going to the
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thrift store, that's what I'm thestate sells everything, going to some this
weekend, going to garage sales,finding some crazy things. You never getting
old people's stuff. That's right.They don't need it anymore. They're dying,
you know, or already dead,can't Who knows. Some of it
might be haunted and I just don'tknow it, and it could be.
I don't claim that any of itis. But maybe the right person he
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has to unlock its haunting. That'strue. I wonder about that sometimes though.
Maybe. Yeah, the things,the whole stone tape theory thing that
you need somebody to activate it,and maybe I'm not the one that can
activate it, do you know whatI mean? Yeah? Maybe maybe Maybe
that's what I've never come across anythinghaunted. Maybe that's why. But there
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is still time anyway, guys.That's all we have for this episode of
Unrefined. We are very appreciative ofyour listenership, but until next time,
we'll catch you on the next episodeof Unrefined.
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