Monsters on the Edge #133 The Arkansas Bigfoot Search with Guest William Lunsford

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to him. So my guest today is highly regarded, highly

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sought after, and highly recommended to our show. He is
William Lunsford of Texarkana, Arkansas. He is a dedicated bigfoot
researcher whose quest for the elusive creature began with his
first sighting in nineteen seventy seven and continues to this day,
with his most recent encounter occurring in October of this

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year at the age of sixty six. As a author,
he has documented his decades long search across the region
in two books, Searching for the Unfindable, My Quest for
Arkansas's Bigfoot and Searching for the undefinable, finding the impossible,
and his compelling arsenal story was featured on the Travel

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Channels docu series These Woods Are Haunted in season three,
episode six, titled This is How I'm Gonna Die.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Awesome.

Speaker 6 (07:12):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome William Lunsford to the show.
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Man, Hey, folks, thank you all for being here. Thank
you baring to be for having me on here and
looking forward to it. Again. Let me give a big
thank you out to our vedrooms to make this possible,
for what they've sacrificed that we can do this. And
so I'm very excited about being on here. Man, since
you asked me, I'm gonna call man, this is gonna
be great. So we're gonna get it ripped up here

(07:37):
pretty good. We've been doing it quite a while. Got
lots of information and I'm glad to share with everybody.
I'm not going these big foot hunters. He wants to say, Well,
I'm gonna just get this million dollar picture and I'm
not gonna tell you what I did to do it.
I'm not that kind of man. There's information to share,
and that's what I'm gonna try to do. I've got
a great research team around me. We've got about five
or sixt we very do we ever get together at

(07:58):
the same time, it'll be like two at the same time. Now,
I'm glad to be here, man. I appreciate those good
words that you gave to me. There been doing it
for a long time, and I never ceased to be
amazed with some of the things that come up.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
With so awesome, awesome. I I gotta ask, well, how
do you feel about the fact that this is how
I'm Gonna die? Is the title of that episode.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Well, it didn't make me feel all that good just
reading that.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
I'm like, thanks, thanks for that.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah, you know, that was my first thought whenever I
saw my first in nineteen seventy seven, and he was
over there, standing off the side of the road, and
whenever he sit there and finally he just walked out
of the brush and stood in the road front of
me and started doing that rock in motion that they do,
and that was my first thought, this is how I'm
gonna die. And I was a mile about a mile
and a half from my vehicle, and I'm like, oh gosh,

(08:47):
you know, and so I went to think what it was,
and it wasn't a bear. I knew it wasn't people
that were down there and messing with me because it's
too far away, and it was two dogs on hot
I knew we wasn't a sloth or anything else like that.
And then I thought, this was Warper. And he's not
even the biggest thing I've ever seen. But when I
saw that, I thought, this is how I'm going to die.
And so they appropriately named it that, and so I

(09:09):
thought it pretty good. Now they look back on.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
It, it catches the eye and sells that episode. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, awesome sore before all that. Had you been
interested in the creatures and Bigfoot before that or was
that what kind of spaked it?

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Well, really, that's kind of what's fighting now. I grew
up here in an area called the Four States area.
Most people there have heard of what's called the Falc Monster,
and so I'm about eighteen miles from Fouc, but I
never believed in it. We had had some encounters there
whenever I was a young man there. We saw a
couple of babies down there on the edge of Solf River.
Me and my dad, he was an amateur boat builder,

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and so we saw them as we're going down there
to unload the boat from the top of the mom's
guard of all things. And then then there was one
that was seen in the cemetery. Coincidentally, Dad is now
passed away over there, but it's right there in one
of those greeks. So I wasn't interested. I kind of
thought it would be kind of cool if it was.
I was, you know, we had the fount Monster story

(10:11):
back in nineteen seventy seventy one movie called The Legend
of Boggie Creek. If Anybody's ever seen the Legend of
Boggie Creek, and I thought, oh man, that would be,
you know, so cool, but never really considered it to
be real. And even though I'd had some experience, we
heard them how we lived on a farm down there
in those woods right there, and we hear them how
it just it wasn't something that I actually thought would
be real or naturally that I thought I would have

(10:32):
any kind of sighting or affiliation with. And all of
a sudden, here we are, you know, so it's it's
very uh, it's I did one show their friend of
mine called the Accidental Bigfoot, and hat's kind of I
am right, now.

Speaker 6 (10:47):
That's that's how most people get started on accident there.
So yeah, so you kind of alluded to this a
little bit your you're fishermen and stuff, and we hear
a lot of the stories of you know, these things
are seen a lot more along the waterways because you
have more scent, you have like noise of the rivers
and stuff moving, and it may just be able to

(11:10):
sneak up on these things a little bit easier, a
little bit hidden there. So you've you said you'd had
a couple of encounters how many of like, what percentage
of this is along waterways?

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Man? For my stuff, I almost like probably right now,
probably a good for so far as for creeks reservoirs
that we have, the rivers that we have around here
as well, and we have some a lot of gravel
pits down here that's kind of close to where I
have my first siding, and so well, that's about that much.
And of course it's it's about like an African savannah.
All the food's got to have water. All their food's

(11:42):
got to have water. So you know, it's more important
than food, although it's not to me. You couldn't tell
it by looking at my wife's line. But nevertheless, when
you have that uh, that deal where they have to
have that that that water, well, then the other animals
come there and it's almost like you know, a conveyor
belt for for for them to have their food. So
it's just very very important to them. And uh, I've

(12:02):
learned that more and more. Uh I've seen four of
them actually I take that, make that five and putting
this one of them to tell you about in here
a minute, seeing five of them actually in the water,
and so that's a that's a pretty rare uh site
to have. And uh, I thought, gosh, you know everybody
talks about they seen across the rivers, you know, you
talk about going the Laska there standing there washing their food,

(12:23):
but all of a sudden, when it starts happening to eageralize, gosh,
I mean these things these people so many people want
to doubt what other people tell them just because it's
not happened to them. And you can't do that. Just
because something hasn't happened to me doesn't mean this can
not going to happen to you and vice versa. So
it is water. It is very very important. And when
I tell people that come down here, and they'll call

(12:44):
me and say, well, man, where can I do? What
can I go? And I tell you, hey, find your rivers.
Go to some of these We've got a lot of
reservoirs here. Go to some of these boat ramps and
they're gonna be hanging around there. There's a lot of
people dump food. Man. I've seen a mom and two
babies there at one boat ramp. They're not the same,
but not apparently the same bigfoot. And somebody had dumped
out a bunch of catfish heads and so they were

(13:06):
sitting there and they came up to to eat, and
so they were there, and so it's it's it's one
of those things that it's very dependable. Uh. There's a
lot of patterns in bigfooting, and like I said, I'm
always glad to share those. What I know number one
is they're they're gonna be around that waterway as far
as that goes. Uh, they're going to uh this summer
year in Arkansas right now. Our deer scenes just started

(13:29):
last week, and Uh, they're gonna be out there in
the woods. They're actually natured what I call nature's janitors.
Because so many people don't like to take a good
ethical shot. So they got a deer wounded. Man. That's
just easy money for the bigfoot, you know, so which
I you know, I wish they wouldn't do that, but nevertheless,
but you know, nature's cruel mistress. Anyway, and me and
my son one night we're down there and what's called

(13:49):
the Suffering Wildlife Management, we actually heard one get killed.
And that I felt so sorry for it, man, because
it was if y'all know them about deer hunting, you
hear them blowing when they go, and you could hear
the deer running back and forth, not on what to do,
but these things tend to hunt. Bigfoot tends to hunt
in packs or troops. And all of a sudden you
heard the deer running back and forth and doing the blow,
and then all of a sudden you heard something jump

(14:10):
out of sound. I could jumped out of the tree,
which I'm sure it did, and we were it jumped
out of the tree, and then you heard like that
right there, like it got hit with a fist or
something like that. And then and then after that, then
all the other beings that were with it, like the
doing the pant hoot. I told my cent, I said,
I hope they're not on the proud next, you know,

(14:30):
for aging bigfoot aging ups men, you know, because I'm
put like a DM view of that. So that was
pretty cool, but it was like it was also kind
of sad as well, and one of the strangest things
that ever had happened to me. I went down there
and I had been injured in an auto wreck, and
so I was going down there with a camera to
shoot some video. And whenever I did, I got into
the woods maybe about twenty or thirty feet and outwalks

(14:51):
this dough and she followed me for over a mile
through the woods. She kept about a fifteen foot distance
from me the whole time, and then she would off
and look over her runt like that. I'm like, oh,
good grief, we've got company. And so we would go
and she would do the same thing again, and then
I would stop, and if I would stop, she would
do the same thing. It took her no time to look,
so I figured something was trailing us. And we got

(15:13):
to one little creek there where we got to that
we couldn't cross it because it was so slow, and
I thought, Man, if it's gonna happen, this is gonna
be it right here. Of course I was on and
I go armed, not just I'm not gonna I'm a
no kill big food. But we got a lot of hogs,
We've got bears, we got panthers, we got everything in
the world that you kyldies down here. But she kept

(15:33):
looking over at rear. So when we started walking back
to my truck, she didn't look back over her rear anymore.
She kept her eyes focused straight ahead. And I'm my boy,
that makes me feel good, you know. But at least
I kind of knew where I felt like the danger
was gonna come from, if any and so, but we
got back there to where my truck was, I said,
that was over mile into the woods there, and we
didn't have anything that I saw was there. But she

(15:55):
definitely knew that something had been through it. She maybe
could smell it or whatever it was. But they have
these patterns, you know, and if you get on these patterns,
it's like they said, fishing, fishing is a pattern. It's
a tatern hobby. You get there and you find and
do it, and certain fish be doing the same things
certain times a year. We'll bigfoot do the same way.
You know. They had the time right now, I said,

(16:15):
I mentioned deer season, when they get get to chasing
after those deer that have been crippled up several year old.
From about the last six years, I've gotten several calls
from people who had the they've killed their deer, and
around here, you generally wait about twenty to thirty minutes
before you go try to reclaim it, make sure it's
dead or as a chance to lead out. They go down
there to pick up the deer and their deer's gone,

(16:36):
you know, and they're like, man, I saw him later
right here, and then they go to find in the track,
so they find where it's been, you know, drugged through
the brush there. And so that's something that they do
as well. And I've talked to some very very incredible
people here in Texas, Canada that you know, they laugh
at me when I tell them about within some of
the people that I talked to, I said, a very
very prominent, very very most of us down here are
pretty honest with us Southerners. We might kind of withhold

(16:59):
some information, you know, from some of the folks there
that you know they want to come down and try
to ruin your hunt. But other than that, right there,
but they get that uh where they talk to each
other and they're like, man, this thing sole my dear.
I mean you could hear it going through the woods.
And so they Sarah have talked to me about finding
blood you know, five or six feet up into the
tree there where they just instead of dragging it, they

(17:20):
don't drag it, they actually pick it up and go
with it. So pretty, pretty, pretty interesting stuff, I said.
And that's one of little patterns that you'll find as well,
you know, besides what I've already mentioned already. So it
makes it a little bit easier. It's not textbook and
there are exceptions to every rule. But when you get
down there, I said, around those waterways and with the

(17:41):
deer in the season, and then I'm sure they're breeding season.
The thing around here, it seems to be there when
they start having their babies. We find we get a
lot of pictures in a lot of baby tracks in
November and December, in January like instead of being the
spring like what we would normally think. We get the
pictures that way. Last year around Thanksgiving to Christmas, we

(18:04):
kind of had a it wasn't real cold, and so
at same block they actually had their babies a little
bit earlier, so I was getting pictures just about every
now a big poot walking by, and you can see
all the eyes there that are glowing of all the trips,
big food with the junior. So really really interesting that
I learned a lot last year by by being able
to experience that.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Interesting. I want to back up here to the hunting stuff,
so that's that's really interesting. I know that we get
like a lot more sightings because there's a lot more
people out in the woods hunters and stuff like that.
But the fact that you bring up that, you know,
this is very opportunistic. You know, we we've heard the
stories and stuff, but I don't think that's ever kind
of clicked in there that you know, these guys are

(18:44):
out there watching the hunters to follow, you know, what's
what's happening now. I'm gonna tell you a really quick
story here about when we were investigating one location up
in northern Wisconsin, up and Rhinelander, we found what looked
like there's a big open field that leads that opens
up on a highway at the edge of this forest,
and right at the edge of that has this huge

(19:05):
rock pile and at the edge of that what looked
like these things were sitting and watching for roadkill, right,
and then they would grab it and they'd bring it back.
Because there's this whole pile of different animals that have
skeletons and remains and different things, everything from fish which
shouldn't be there. Like if you like, why is there

(19:28):
a fish in the middle of the woods, right, So
you have fish skeletons there, you have foxes, rabbits, deer.
I think there's a couple other things there as well,
but all these different animals, you know, so it wasn't
like a fox or a wolf or something killed it.
You know, if you found any like burial site and
not burial sites, but remain sites like that where there's

(19:49):
several different things.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
We have, we have what the story you told could
have been told right here in Arkansas. I have one there.
I had one steal my deer one time, and so
I spent the whole week off looking for that there.
He's a real nice seven points and so finally I
found him on the last day I was off in there,
and he was piled up with about five or six
other deal deer skeletons down there in the very far

(20:11):
end of the brush. A strange thing about around here.
I've actually found an alligator skeleton that the bigfoot actually
killed the alligator. We had been seeing this gator for
about six years. We went down there and they have
us called a slide where they get up on the
bank and then they just run off into the water
right quick. Well, this was the first time we'd never
seen that gator. When he wasn't on that slide and
I was missing my son, I said, man, he's gone,

(20:32):
said that bigfoots then got him. He said, you really
think so? And I looked, and sure enough there was
a trail through this water grass too there heading not
over to where he was. And I thought, man, maybe
I'm telling more truth in what I realized. So anyway,
I told him, said, well it was possible. So sure enough,
we were about three days after that, and we were
in the woods there and we found a buzzard that
he had eaten over there. And then when we went

(20:54):
on past the buzzard, we found the gator skeleton, just
like a dog on xylophone, you know, all the bonds.
The head was broken off there. But uh, and then
we found skills. Of course, we didn't find any meat,
but nevertheless, that thing had killed up gator, because that's
the only thing that's strong enough to gather. There's nothing
but just muscle. We got a lot of alligators around here,
very familiar with alligators, and they're just including the tail,

(21:16):
you know, to the body. That's all they are, is
just a series of muscles. And so we found that
dog on gator skills. I've got pictures of it there
is I'm having a nephew holding it up you and
things like that. And then about four years ago, meant
another friend of mine who has big foot on his property.
We were down there around the same place, and so
it was really had a bad drought here, but it
was still soft enough that you could you could find

(21:38):
some footprints. Sure enough, we find some footprints of a
dog on alligator walking up out of this little slough
and pretty decized gator. Then all of a sudden, man
the next set of tracks we find. We find a
set of big foot tracks walking up behind this alligator.
The bigfoot tracks get about two hundred pounds heavier. The
alligator tracks just disappeared and we never see them again.
So I know for a fact that they they they're

(22:01):
very opportunistic. You know, they roadkill is a big thing there.
We have a couple of bridges up here where years
and years ago I found trails underneath these bridges instead
of them going on top of the roadway, going underneath
the bridges and the bridges, you know, right there along
sud of the creeks. As I said, we have a
lot of alligators and things like that. We found one
day about fifty turtle shells still intact. The hinges were

(22:21):
not broken. They were about old probably I'm gonna say
twelve to thirteen inches they were, and they were all
kind of stacked up together. Then we had about two
hundred crawfish shells, red crawfish what call blood pinchers up here,
and they were over stacked together, and man like that's
you know, turtles angles stack them up. Birds angle to
stack them up. And so that's the only thing that
could because we didn't find the tracks there as well.

(22:42):
It's not just like that's a wild shot in the dark,
but we actually found the tracks there, and so that's
what they what they'll eat. There was one lady over
here that's a friend of my nephew's, one of his
good friends, and it was out there in her dog
one flower bed eating the hours off her bushes out there,
you know, and it picks Ah, you're crazy. No, I'm

(23:04):
not crazy. They just they do what they do because
they're big enough to do what they want to do.
But they're also very very smart. You know how smart
they are. If you're doing something, they'll they'll get together
and so they get separated as a troop and there's
one over there, then you've got four or five more.
They'll actually get to that. They'll come, I said, on
the edge. They'll come to the edge of the woodline

(23:25):
like that, and they'll start some kind of ruckous or
making you know, noise or things like that, or they'll
throw rocks at you until their buddy gets back with them.
Then when they do, then they just take back off.
So I've experienced a lot of that. And with the
years that of God, I said, from nineteen seventy seven,
you know, to now, I've experienced a lot of things
things I never thought. The rock throwing that, man, they're

(23:45):
just as deadly as they want to be, you know.
So the tree structures, man, We've got some tree structures
down here that should be in a museum of modern art.
The way they've bend those things around those trees and things.
So very very very interesting being to be a research
bar and I'm very fortunate to be here too, in
the area that I live in. Again, we have, of course,

(24:06):
we have a down here what's called the Cattle Cruiter
of Cattle Lake that's in Louisiana, Texas. That's a natural
lake there in Texas, and so it's surrounded a big
put us all one in there. This year in March,
about the second week of March, it was in there
peeling bark off a tree, I guess, trying to find
wasps and things like that. And so they snakes we
call snakes swamp spaghetti, because there was one year there

(24:30):
man that we did not see a single snake in
these big woods down here. And so my buddy went
down one day. We just had a good rains to him.
So he went down there, and on the way down
there the big on mud hole in the road will
he passed that. Well, when he came back, he was
every bodyself. When he came back, there was a cotton
mouth that had been just ripped into and that cotton

(24:50):
mouth had been laid right there by this mud pole. Well,
when he got to his truck. The other half of
that cotton mouth was laid right to every by his door.
We we feed them, you know, we tend to bate them
in and some people don't agree with that, but nevertheless,
you know, it's it's one of those things that if
we can get the more on camera, and I've got

(25:11):
a bunch of them on camera, people say you don't
get them like most minor. Most miners are from game
camps as far as it goes. But I don't just
put my game camp hung on to a tree so
you can see it like that right there. I've got
my game camps back into the brush. So whenever they
come walking through there, they're just be bopping along. All
of a sudden that camera click goes off or whenever
it does, and your next picture that you get besides

(25:32):
that input, it's gonna be the face coming in just
like that right there, or you're gonna get the hand
coming in here to get your camera, and then the
next day you spend four five hours trying to find
your camera. So there, you know, I wish we could
get a working relationship on that, but we don't. But
I've got two of them up right now. Lay in
the woods somewhere. The rest of them. I've got eight
of them out right now, and I'm getting a lot,

(25:53):
you know, was getting a lot of pictures there. The
snake's got kind of bad, so like eased off and
now it's gonna cool loss and I'm going to really
get and doing my game camera photography. And despite what
they say, uh, these things they are capably caught on camera.
But you're just not going to have it right there
in front of You're not gonna flown it. Just throw
it in front of his face. Okay, stand right here
and let me take your picture. It's not gonna work

(26:15):
that way.

Speaker 6 (26:16):
Where do you tend to put your game cameras along
rivers or like at intersections of game trails or just
randomly where do you find the best works?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah, bigfoot a lot like people. They tend to take
the path of least resistance, just like we do. The
think about the rivers and the creeks. There a lot
of times they've had the water get flooded and wash
away like that brush. So it's pretty much a clean walkway,
a cleaner walkway. But as you said, the intersections of
game trails, you know, deer are going to take the
path that the least resistency when they need to when

(26:46):
they need to run, and so you know, the big
push naturally gonna follow them. So that's what they do.
But we'll find a brush pile and say, our tree bow,
pretty good sized tree vow that's fallen over, and then
we'll look and we'll put it in about it. We'll
clear out the dog on the extra brush there so
that every time the wind blows, you're not getting three
thousand pictures and you spend two days, you know, looking

(27:08):
for to find stuff. But we'll sit there and we'll
stick them in like that. And then we kind of cheat,
like I said, we do baite them up. We tend
to bring them candy bars and put some of these
bite sized candy bars up there, and they got his
biggest sweet tooth is what That's what we humans do,
and so you put them in there. Then that's the
way we first this one area we go to called
ground zero. We found some of these these trees that

(27:33):
were laying down and we saw the grass being worn down.
And I told my breechtart bar and steep and said,
they're using this deck trail right here on the street
so we took those those actually using snipers bars, and
there was two winds kind of laying on top of
each other like that were there, and they got the
little knobs there, so we would lift it up and
put it on the between the snipers bar, clean knob
them mash down. So if he was going to get

(27:54):
that dog on candy bar, it was gonna cost him
some worktime, and the amount of worktime he had trying
to get that dgar, the greater my chances are of
getting his picture. So sure enough, man, I've got a
picture of one where he's actually biting my camera. My
camera's inside his mouth. You can see all the sea,
you can see the floor right here, you can see
the space right here. Then you see the canines that
are just a little bit longer. Then I've got another

(28:16):
one down there that's inside of Bigfoot's mouth looking out
to the outside right there. And then we've also got
a picture of a from a inside a dog man's mouth,
and but on the other side of the dog man's
mouth you can see the orange eyes of either another
dog man or a big pot. So again, really really
interesting some of the stuff that you get on camera
like that. But It's the funny thing is they know

(28:38):
where my camera bar. I mean, it's just hilarious and
I mean they'll stop and just look. And I've got
my friend, one of my research partners, cut me open
a log and he hauled it out and he put
a lid on it with a hinge there so that
we could just drop the camera in, in and out.
It's like that, and had a little use face right there.
Oh man, that's the sad thing went from the day

(28:58):
one they started coming in there, and so we get
a lot of pictures. But we did. But let's say,
if you don't hide them, I mean you're not. They
know they're there, but you know they're not going to
just letting you just be blatant with it, so to speak.
So we'll hide them like that. So when they walk by,
you know, they get wrapped up with babies, they could
be hunting whatever it is that they're doing, and they're
not paying attention. All of a sudden that thing goes awful.

(29:20):
Then they know it, you know, and there and so
that's when you get some really, some really good shots.
I said, I've got some got some great shots here.
I've got one there we put down one night and
I haven't Actually, I guess what like what you would
call a Skuoka cast where the Bigfoot is laying on
the ground. I put a Snickers bar on top of
a sharpened stick I had there, and so he got

(29:42):
on the ground. They do that crawl. Bigfoot does do
that crawl. Don't don't nobody think that we're pulling your
leg when they do that crawl. He gets over in
front of my dog on camera. Now I've got kind
of a quote alter or feeding space there for him
to be there. And so I've got his brow ridge,
I've got his eyes. Of course, his eyes are set
back a little bit in uh in that what are
you gonna call it depression? I guess you would call

(30:04):
it got all the hair on his forehead. And then
I've got his right hand wrapped around this bite sized
snickers bar. You can see every finger that's separate as
far as that goes, and you can see the black
fingernails in there. And so we got that scoop and cash.
But he tore excuse he tore that dog on camera
up boy, so real. But it's really really interesting. You know,

(30:27):
when I show it to people, they're like, that's incredible.
I've really thought that everybody was kiven when they started
talking about big Foot being real. Now they're not kidding.
You know, some people may be, but those of us
who have said him ain't kidding with you, you know.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
So what have you learned about like their family units?
Do you do you notice like one large male that
moves round and h what do you see with that?

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Just like what you just said, there can be one
large There can only be one alpha to a family
as a roots for that goes. That's the same. That's
the way nature works and everything. There's gonna be an
alpha there, and there's gonna be one alpha male and
I'm sure he has his little harem of girlfriends there.
But generally what we've seen there there, we have seen
there tends to be one dominant female on an alpha

(31:09):
female that kind of you know, runs the harem and uh,
but she'll tend to when they'll have the infants with them,
they'll they'll tend to, she'll tend to the babies and
things like that, and then they tend to, Oh I've
seen something look like Now I can't age them, I
wish I could, but some of them will be five
or six years old, and you know, they're pretty good

(31:29):
size as far as they goes. And they tend to
run in either family units like that, or else they
run if they let somebody kind of uh come in
and join the join the pack, or join the units,
so to speak. But there is a pecking order right there.
And so we see that man, and they're just as
The funny thing is we've seen they're just as loving
to their infants as what we people are to our infants.

(31:54):
I mean, they really are. They'll be cradled underneath them.
I have a friend down here. He had a family
of eight of them on They have one ten footer
and an eight footer and the mother would every time
they would go somewhere, she would kind of tuck it
right here, like this year, and she would run on
three legs. They said she was as fast as anything
that they had out there on those three legs, running
carrying that baby. And then I've got a picture of

(32:15):
one there where one of them has actually got the
baby up next up kind of up next to her face.
You can see the three fingers on the side of
this baby's face and she's cradling up next to her
body just like that right there. So they're they're just
like they're just like people. They have they are very emotional.
I'm uh, the ones that we have there tend to

(32:36):
recognize with us, and that's not it's true, and so
and then I'm thankful. So I think that one one
female up there is either got a crush on me
or my partner Stephen, because she'll tend to watch over
us there. She's actually been there and stepped where we
have stepped, you know, twenty minutes before there, you know,
when we come in at different times. So so they
do they they have. I think they recognize you. They know,

(32:57):
they recognize my truck when we get there. The first
thing we'll do many we do a lot of bard
alcohols to communicate with him. And I've got some little
plastic megaphones about seven or eight inches long, and I'll
get up there just we like that, but I'll really
trill it out and really let the throat go right there. Man,
it's not too long. You can hear them walk into

(33:18):
the edge of the woods there, and I think that's
something that they recognize. And so they do recognize me
and Steven. I've got I brought a new man here
named Daniel Becker from Anchors, Alaska with us SO. A
couple of years ago. He came into our group there
and he has the encryptive wilderness research there. But Daniel
has gotten several pictures of I generally wear a char
true shirt. I don't wear camouflage. I wear that bright

(33:40):
fluorescent green shirt. I wear an orange hat with gray
black and then I'll either wear blue jeans or something
other like that right there, and I truly think it
helps him recognize me. So I'm standing right there and
he's got we got one there, and there's some mama.
Now we couldn't see mama. We could just hear the
mom and the babies over there, and they were doing
on the gibberish, and so we're looking over and we stopped.

(34:03):
We had just had one there that we had heard
back there, and so we're sitting there looking to the right.
And so I've got this on and I told Dan,
I said, he said, what are we gonna do? I said,
just take some pictures while you're sitting back there. So
he starts taking pictures. He works for the government, so
he's got a much better camera than I've got. I'm
generally the one who carries a gun in case we
got the bears or anything else like that. Right there. Well,

(34:24):
sure enough he starts taking some pictures. So well, then
she shiit me something, pictures. See what you found? Sure enough, man,
forty feet up there, I'm standing right there. I've got
a forty five seventy rifle in my right hand. I'm
sitting there and I'm looking to my right over here,
trying to find the mama and the babies over here.
And there's one hold on to the tree looking out there,
not forty feet away. And the sad bar about it, Marvey,

(34:45):
I missed him because I was so concentrated on when
you got mamma, you got a problem if you make
her mad. And so I'm watching her. So then we
when we finally get through, then we walk a little
bit further, and sure enough she blasts with a call.
And that was pretty you know, I'm my oh man,
I don't understand big food language. I hope that means okay,
you know you're you're free. But nevertheless, so I got that.

(35:06):
And then about old probably two months later, he came
back from anchorage down there, and so again the same clothes.
I mean, that's just you know you don't. Uh, my
research partner Stephen and you know he'll wear a char
tree shirt while he's logging. Not for any reason. We're
not in you know, boge or InStyle or trying to
create synchronize Big Foo hunting as an Olympic event. But nevertheless, man,
we'll be there sure enough. Uh, we're worth and so

(35:28):
they tend to recognize us, and so it makes it
a whole lot more where they they tend to come out.
They're not as as weary, you know, so you don't
have to. And I and when I go, why I
go deer hunting. I do camouflage. But these things are different.
They're I said, they're very different. They're very very intelligent.
And uh, I said, we're there. We're there entertainment. And

(35:49):
I think they uh enjoy seeing how react to some
how we react to some of the things that they do.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
We had a couple of questions here, I want to
us these here, so we wanted to know what state
you're in. We're in Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
In Arkansas, I'm right here next to I'm three miles
from the Texas state line. I'm twenty five miles from
Louisiana and thirty miles from Oklahoma. So all those states together.
There's actually a monument down here. They call it. Well,
I said, we're from Arkansas, just playing to see if
they caught the three states minum. You can actually be

(36:24):
standing in three states at the same time if you've
got big NFV, you know. And it is a little
bit square piece of concrete. It's down around a place
called the Atlanta, Texas right there on the highway, and
so being that right here. So but the layout is
just about the same as far as for the brush
and the rivers and things like that, and as forth

(36:46):
the amount of food, which is always a you know,
a something to consider that you had to have to have,
and so it's just about the same all the way through.

Speaker 6 (36:55):
He also would like to know, is there somewhere that
he can go to see any of these pictures?

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Man? Yet I've got some of them there on a
Oh there's a show called World Bigfoot Radio with Duke
Suv And I've sent most of those to do. I
gerally try to. He's been real good to me, so
I try to send him to him and so you
can see him. Some of them you're gonna get are
going to be blurry, and I'm going to give you.
I had to learn fly because I was so frustrated.

(37:20):
I'm so excited to get it. I'll find tracks going
by my camera. Man, I'm so excited. IM like, yeah,
I got him, I got him. I got him. Go
back here and look and you see the picture right there,
and the picture will be blurry. Well, that can be
a lot of things. Number one, it can be heat.
You notice it on the front of your car sometimes
when you're driving you see those heat waves coming up
like that right there. And then you can also have
some obstacle illusions, like you see the two ships on

(37:43):
the on the horizon out there and they look like
they're on topic. There were certain things there that you
have there with our vision right there, so you have
to kind of take those in consideration. You've got movement,
motion bar and motion blur happens with us, you know,
just just very similar pictures if you got a little
canon AE one or wherever you got right there. So,

(38:04):
but the pictures are there, like I said, I've got
I've triguly got o Joe, probably one hundred pictures of
different Bigfoot and some of them are really good. We're
fixing to share some pictures here really soon here with
a with a TV show here, and I'll text to
you so you can tell more people about it, so
I don't blow their cover. But we're gonna see some
of the pictures and it's gonna be the best Bigfoot

(38:24):
picture you've ever seen, no doubt in mint in about it.
And this one was out there me and Danny where
they were walking around this place we call ground zero. Again.
We stopped and we're looking around and we take what's
called grid pictures, presuming this is your camera's space right here,
and we'll take a picture here. Then we go to here,
then we go to here, and we'll take those pictures
that way. Then that way you can put them together.

(38:46):
You can have the panmoraic panoramic effect, I'm sorry, pan
aramic effect when you put them together. Well, we were
sitting there and he was taking a picture of that
panormanic view, and so I said, well, what have we got?
You know, we sit there and look kind of make
it fun sure enough, look over there and standing there
behind a I guess you call a skeleton tree. There

(39:06):
there's a bigfoot and bigfoot's got a baby on the
back of its neck. Looks to be. And then also
there's a hand right here in the middle of its chest.
This thing. I went back. I wasn't about to attempt
it that day when I was there, because I said,
a mama bigfoot with a baby is not a good scenario.
I went back the next day or the next day
my next trip there. Anyway, I took a meter stick
and went down there and measured where it was measured violin.

(39:28):
This thing was ten and a half foottop, and she
was just he she whatever it was, which is however
I sent it to be a big mail. But then
we also found a twenty two inch track right there
on its trail as it went into this pine plantation,
which is, there's a pine plantation and it's got a
line of demarcation are than when they've done the clear cutting,
and this trail goes right there, we'll sure enough there

(39:49):
it is. And there he also left us a Christmas present,
kind of like a baby does, since we get his
diaper changed. When he got some scat right there and
on that trail. But man, I mean the scat, it's
just huge. So they they tend to uh, I guess
they thought that was funny to do.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
That.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
But nevertheless, so we see that right there, and uh,
I go this one area I've got I've just just
I've seen a bunch of We saw three one night
in there on December. I think it was the twenty third,
twenty first or twenty third that were there. And they
were coming across this clear cut and I mean, there's
we got. My buddy has it on video, and uh,
they're blinking. You can see the eyes changing color. I mean,

(40:28):
it's it's unreal. Just and uh there I did a
little couple of tree knocks and when I did, it
made them mad. So mama's eyes this was just changed
from like a goldish color a yellowish color. All of
a sudden, they went like to a green to an orange,
and I'm like, oh my gosh, man, she's mad. Then
she started moving toward us, then she stopped, and then uh,

(40:49):
then all of a sudden, then the babies or the
juveniles started acting like other juveniles do of the human
kind when they're in the grocery store. And then all
of a sudden, boy, she turned around, she looked at him,
and she did eyes and the eyes did the same
thing again. They can actually they can actually self illuminate
their eyes. And I didn't think that was possible, but

(41:09):
it is. We saw it went not up there in
Oklahoma on the hedge of the woods, and she was
doing it this night to change the colors like that.
So again, that's some of these things that I learned
on my man. These people crazy, No, they're not crazy
what they've seen. They're probably surprised to what I was.

Speaker 6 (41:23):
Let's talk a little bit about have you seen anything
else weird over there? We heard stories of like the
orbs and this other stuff, and have you seen anything
like that? And all your time out there.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
And we do get we get the orbs not quite
as often. We've got one place that we're not restarching
as much. It tends to be orb crazy. It's on
my buddy's lane and we were getting a lot of
orbs up there. We've seen what's called will of the wisps.
Will of the wisp is. We've seen that. We tried
to film it. It will not let us film it,
but it's right there in front of both of us,
you know, and I don't know what it is. But anyway,

(41:55):
seeing will of the wisps. We've actually seen some things
up there that look like demons, and I don't know.
I don't. I'm not a big was not let me
take it back, and I am not. It was not
a big believer in demon still being active. To David Man,
We've got some things there on camera that're just really scary.
It got the real nasty teeth there and looking right
into the camera and the eyes are glowing. And I've

(42:16):
also seen what's called a gugaway. Gugaway is his like
a tight three big foot, and he's one of the
most vicious creatures. And he set up to kill me.
This is the daytime, a daytime shot. And I was
going on the way to church that night, and so
he got behind a he ran up out of the
bottoms and I was sitting there watching him. I thought
it was a big foot. So I was sitting there,
I was gonna get the already had my phone out,
I was gonna get a picture. And there was a

(42:38):
X formation like this and had the two little things
like that with thrill. I knew that was bigfoot activity.
So I was down there looking at that. Here he comes. Well,
I thought, well, man, that's a hog. That's a hog.
So I was sitting there looking at him, just got
a forty calier clock. And then he runs through and
starts going beside me, and then he slows down. He's
just scooting along air. I'm like last night, I dagam
hog gots a big foot. So anyway, when he kept walking,

(43:01):
he went into the brush while I ran up there
to try to catch him, and whenever I did, I
had to turn towards where he was. When I started
turning towards there, Thank goodness, I have my I don't
wanna say whist about me, but I was just being very,
very awary, and I saw him and he was behind
this log laying there. This log had the I guess
you'd call him octopus style roots where the roots are

(43:22):
like his, and he had that head stuff there in
the middle of just like that, right there waiting on
me to walk by, and he would have got me.
And there was actually they just like bigfoot. Do they
build these shelters they hunt out of. Well, there's a
shelter right behind where this lady log is. So anyway,
I sit there and I took three pictures. I got
the picture of this gugway and they's got us. Now

(43:43):
he got ears and he's sitting there when he's watching me,
and he turns it head and he wiggles those ears
a little bit. And so I talked to a friend
of mine who's the Day of America. I said, Man,
tell me something about this gugway. He said, oh, please,
don't tell me you got them on your area. I said,
I guess that's why I'm asking you. He goes a man?
He said, did he you know, did he wiggle his
ears or did he turning? I said, yeah, how'd you know?
He goes? Man? He was hunting you? He said he

(44:03):
was trying to communicate with his par So that was
pretty scary, but I was very fortunate. I left and
my buddy that I have one of my research partners.
He has two monitors on his desk. We got all
the He and I went back two days later. I
couldn't go back the next day because I had PTSD.
I could not go. I said, had that small gun? Well, coincidentally,
my son bought me that forty five seventy that I had,

(44:23):
and that thing was shoot length tois to a grizzly bear.
So anyway, I had that with me. Next day we
went down. We took about picture sixty pictures. We put
him on the monitor there side by side, and there's
no doubt about what we're looking at. Said, we didn't
necessarily know, but my buddy, you tell me, said, he said,
that's a gugaway. And so that was pretty pretty dull
one scary right there, to know that you were that

(44:45):
close to being Bigfoot's meal, you know. But I said,
forty cal right, and then just hit and scratch mosquito ice,
you know, but you got that forty five seventy and
he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna pay the price for
supper that night. The tip's gonna cost him quite a bit.
But anyway, that's that was one of the really really
weird things that I just wasn't ready to square up
that they were, you know, if they were there. And

(45:07):
then dog Man. We saw a dog man I think,
I think April the April the twenty first, I think
in two thousand and twenty twenty one. And this dog
Man is actually and I did not want to believe
in dog Man. My wife beg mean, she says, please
don't start talking about dog Man because people are gonna

(45:27):
think you crazy. And I've got to try to defend
you because it's my duty as well. I'm like, well,
I can't let somebody get killed. And we'll finally, I mean,
we were seeing some dinner. I said, I can't let
somebody get killed. Not to say they're true. Well, sure enough,
we're down there late that afternoon. We're making a milk
run to our cameras. We got about eight cameras down
there at that time. And sure enough, when we do.
As we're going down there, coming up out of this ravine,

(45:48):
there's a dog man needs about seven a half foot tall,
kind of walking slumped over. He looks like a dog
on hyena, and so he's he walks in there, and
he's got three big foot behind him, and some of
those bigfoot are eight and a half nine foot tall.
But he's actually leading the big foot out of that ravine.
So we saw. My buddy actually saw it. Poor I did.
I was. I'm German, the jokesterre of the group group there.

(46:10):
But then you know, he'll be looking in the woods
and I'll be looking on the ground because I'll i'll
have the gun, you know, for the snakes and things
like that. He goes stop and I said, well, what
did I do that? He goes, no, stop, so I stopped.
Sure enough, he put his hand beside his phone and
pointed like that, and here he comes. So he had
a brand new camera took the pictures right there. The
little baby dog man took off and got on there's
a lay in log. He got underneath the laying law

(46:31):
right there and hid. And then there's actually another big
pot that he's not leading. It's a female and she
has a juvenile and she's pushing it down the edge
of the plantation mine away from this dog man and
these other three bigfoot that he's leading up there. And
I didn't know if she thought that, you know, they
were going to try to eat somebody, and so she
willing to get her baby. But anyway, I've got that
picture there and you can see it's female. She's down

(46:53):
tom to look correct. And so the other bigfoot after a
while after we stopped and just start looking at him. Man,
they just shrink into the brush like that right there
and leave the dog man standing out there. And but
we didn't.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
He didn't.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
He didn't growl at us, you know, he didn't howl
or he didn't anything else like that. He just kind
of he just kind of stared at us for a
little bit and then did the same thing absorbed back
into the woods. But we actually found probably about a
probably a thirty to forty yard track line of canine
individual canine feet like that walking on to not running

(47:29):
like Kyle's do, but actually found that down there. So
and we found several individual tracks just you know, like
that right there. So when I saw that, and I
started telling people, you know, let's say, my wife said, oh,
I wish you wouldn't do that, but you got to,
you know, something like that, because somebody gets hurt. Uh,
that's gonna be on your on your conscience, on your shoulders,

(47:50):
you know. So I started telling people. Now, I'm no
expert on I'm no expert on being put our dog man,
but but I spent a lot of time in the
woods up there, and you get to see a lot
of things by accident that some folks don't see on purpose.
And so that's that's kind of what happened. But I
was very pleased, you know with that. I said, I've
got the world's smallest baby track that has been cast

(48:12):
or had a picture of us three and three coolter
inches and it looks like his mama had picked him
up and set him by one of these mud puddles
to drink. Then we're down a little bit later on
and we get a picture of mama with this baby
on her left shoulder. She's walking away from our camera
and we get a picture of mama walking away with
that dog on baby there on her shoulder like that.
And he's a little cone headed, you know, little cone

(48:33):
headed thing like that. And so that was really cool
to have. And so but a I cast that track,
have that picture, got a good picture. It's a little
free toad track, which really the if you marry the
thing about the legend of Boggy Creek, these creatures were
three toad creatures and or beings wherever you want to call.
And so this thing, this thing actually had a little baby,
actually had three toads to it. So again something else

(48:54):
that just consider myself very blessed to have been able
to experience, you know, and to confirm what some of
these other people, the stories have told from all over
the United States, to put them all together and say, man,
God he will, You're so lucky to have this. So
I do it. Consider myself anytime you get a big
foot sighting the one I saw the other night, there
October the twentieth and I was down on the Suffer River,

(49:17):
which is a lot of where the Leisenboggi Creek was fent.
And so I'm with deer season coming up here. Instead
of me buying corn, which is so dog unexpensive, I
go getting There's some white oak trees down there, and
those white oaks make some acorns about as big as
your thumb. So I had been down there getting some
white oak acres to go get ready for my deer season.
And so whenever I'm down there on the edge of

(49:37):
the river, I went down and checked some fishing tackle
that people don't hang their stuff up in the rocks.
I went and I said, I walked around a bend
and what I do? There he is walking across the river.
This is not I said, that's the fifth time that
I've had to seen big foot in the water. And
so he walks over and he stops. He goes back
a little ways, like what's this guy going to do?
And then he turned around like, well, I'm gonna go
go and go where I won't do. Water probably wasn't

(49:59):
for him knee deep, but that would be deeper and
it would be for us. Walked up there and went
down a dog on gas line and took off. So
I was not expecting that, But I mean that was
just any bigfoot sighting. You can get the bad part
about it being that dark, and I didn't have my
pistol which was in my truck, and I did not
have my phone with me because my pockets were not

(50:20):
very deep. Did not want to drop my phone into
the water because to do that it's going to ruin
everything I've got, And I said, I've got a bunch
of pictures. My phone is not necessarily for taking pictures
of it. It's for documenting bigfoot, but it also does
it leaves you a It gives you a location where
your picture took place and then also what day it
was there, so it's actually like just a living travelogue

(50:42):
of where you've been doing this bigfoot research and stuff.
So I didn't want it to fall out, and I
just left there in my truck. And it's a big
mistake anytime you do something like that, but you're not
necessarily expecting that to happen. And the still it was,
you know, you get to tell about and hopefully when
they see the other evidences that I've got there, like
well he's telling the truth on that right there. So

(51:05):
I've been doing this, like I said, for this long.
There's not a person in town here that knows me
and says, oh no, man, he's a liar. They'll tell
you no, man, he's telling the truth. He's been. He's
been a river rat all his life and a woods
rat too, so he's a you know, and right now
he's just a rat. But no, but but to have
that right there. So so again, but I'm very very

(51:25):
fortunate this is this area I'm in, and I do
I'll make a nuisance out of myself for a good
Bigfoot story. And of course, like this shirt right here
that you see, great shirt, I'll wear it to the
store Bigfoot huh yeah? And you ever seeing oh yeah man.
And then the more you get into your story, then
finally towards the end they go, man, let me tell
you what happened to me. I've got an uncle that

(51:46):
this happened to him. Man. You get some great stories,
and not just the stories, but also some some tips
are things that were like we mentioned a want to
go patterns that the Bigfoot do and the one that
I have there for this show. There's a show I
called a on there. That's for these woods are haunted,
like I said, And then that's how I'm gonna die.
That mama was following me around and she was mad

(52:07):
and I wouldn't leave, and she had whooped a few
times and I could hear over step and we'll finally
she went behind a tree, and where I was, I
try to get behind a tree to try to catch her,
but every time I try to pick out, she duck
back like that. And so we played cat and mouse
for maybe ten minutes. And then I had a party
birthday party had to go to. This's on my sister's birthday,
and so whenever I went to leave, I'm like, I'll

(52:28):
just fix you. So I got my camera out and
I put it right here where my hand is, right
here on my claptal. And so as I walked out,
I looked she you can see her getting back. She
been throwing like sixteen these pieces of sticks. She been
throwing pine cone, she been throwing whatever rocks they were available.
I been throwing at me the whole time. So I
got my hand right here and I walked away, acting
like I'm finge of stop. And so I give it
about ten seconds to put the Handrix just took a

(52:51):
quick picture. And so when I did, you know, I'm like, well,
we'll see later on I forgot about it, had that
birthday party that night, and then finally about two days later,
I'm like, ding, dog, you've got a blasted bigfoot picture there,
maybe on your phone. Go back and look at it.
So I did, and sure enough, there she is, and
she's actually leaning out behind the tree and you can
see right here in the middle of her chest, and

(53:12):
she's got a baby in the middle of her chest
right there. You see the baby's face right there. And
then that was that was pretty dog on cool, you know,
to have that right there. And so that's what I
did with my episode there with it's also to a
place where I had the one encounter with my wife
and my son to be together there with me. He
was on Easter Sunday twenty fourteen, Easter Sunday night, and

(53:33):
he came in after us. Either he usually coming after
my wife or he was was coming after me, whatever
it was, but he charged in on us like that,
and I have a spotlight and I was armed with
a pistol with a I think I just had a
fifteen shot magazine that time. Now I've got a thirty
shot magazine. But my son was actually there, and he
actually had a dag on Samurai siordb, I mean my son.

(53:54):
He's guns to the wall hall when it, you know,
comes to that right there. So he starts coming in
on us. I told my wife, got one charging, you know,
I don't hear it. I don't hear it, you know.
So I said, he's got to be quiet. So finally
he comes in, and for whatever reason he says he's
coming in. He stopped there for a minute. He starts
stepping real hard, hard on what he had before. He
wasn't trying to disguise his steps. And I told him,

(54:15):
I said, I said, remember I told you we got
one coming in. I said, here he comes. She was,
I don't hear that. Shills, oh I hear him.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Now.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Well about that time, I went whoo whoo, which they do, whoop,
you know, whoop his way to bigfoot communications. I've got
several of those on my phone there. And then whenever
I did that, right here here he comes. I'll get
my spotlight in my left hand and get my pistol
there on my right hand side. And now I'm waiting just
in case. I had imaginary line drawn between h two
oak trees. But he didn't pay me any If he

(54:41):
can mind speak, he didn't pay my mind speak no
attention in that time because he kept hating them. Went
past thing. He's going, so dog go fast. I thought,
there's not a way in the world. Well, he was
in that thick brush. So anyway, I lead him up
with that spotlight. And when I did that, I that
arm just went like I see this, And he went
down to the ground and he ran backwards about ten
feet so, and then stood back up and start going
towards the river. He got went probably thirty feet, jumped

(55:04):
up in a tree and got there between my son
and me. And I thought, oh man, he thinks my
son is the weak link. So I went and got
between them. And so that starts my chastisement. Not from
the big tip from my wife. This what made you
think this is a good idea? Well then it got death.
You heard the deathly quiet, Well it got the deathly quiet.
And she goes you hear that? I said, no, what
she goes nothing? Nothing, You don't hear nothing, you know.

(55:25):
That's when I got there. And so she was had
then slid into my passenger's lead to my truck. But
then she slid over and she's underneath the wheel, and
she goes, if you hear this truck start, you better
jump in because I'm gone. And I said, you mean
you're gonna leave your husband and son, who's fixed to
be a dentist by the way, I mean, there's not
to be another doctor from my loins in two million years.
I don't care, you know anything. But she's a she says,

(55:48):
but you better jump in. And so I said, you're
gonna leave your husband and the only son. She goes,
I all have more kids, said you better listen to me.
So we did. We left, and then again this made
me think this is a good idea. Well, then our
sister all calls, you know, hey, sister, what are you doing. Well,
we're down here in the big Foot woods. Don't have
anything happening. She goes, oh yeah, and she said, you
know you're gonna die. I go, all great, THANKFULLYA you know,

(56:11):
so needless to say, buddy, I got an ear for
a lot, but I had the next day, I was
off at UPS and I went back and he was
still down there, and so I got to see him,
you know, skulking along on the edge of that of
that brush, of the brush line. He comes through and
I had to put some big oak trees between.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
He and I.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
I was sneaking around man like you know, Lakadaga cat burder.
I get to the last oak tree and I've got
my phone out. I ring to take a picture. He's
gone and I never heard him leave. I'm like, go,
oh my gosh, he speaks to go hunting. This ain't good.
But anyway, I found the tracks where he had stopped.
I mean, just huge, huge tracks, and I've got a
forty picture of it with forty four caliber. Uh let's say,

(56:48):
I think it's a I think it was a Smith
and Wesson maybe something. But right there beside it real
long gun. I mean, it's the footprints longer than what
the gun is. And so that was just a real, uh, real,
you know, strange thing. But we've been on this big
boot for about six months and he was coming in
just about every time. Then we would come down there
and you'll do some calling and he would interact this

(57:10):
right here. I guess he decided he was gonna interact
in a more aggressive way. It could have been because
my wife was there, you know, whatever. You know, they
react differently to women than what they do with us men.
They generally tend to react differently. The children. Oh gosh,
I got a jim stories about people who've seen you know,
Bigfoot with kids or spying on their kids, you know,

(57:32):
and so they tend to react different. So it makes
it makes him again that those patterns that we talked
about before makes them react differently. And so you can't
ever let your guard down when you're down there, because
I mean, just like people, there's some crazy ones of
them in there too. The scaredest of ever been I
saw a baby. I was going down there. This baby
was going down the river there, so I was trying
to sneak up, sneak past him and get some pictures

(57:54):
of him. All of a sudden, I think he realized
I was there, so he turned and started running towards me.
And I was scared of death because I said, oh, man,
baby's there, mama somewhere, and sheees these can come give
me a talking to. So it kind of shook me
up a little bit. But that's probably the scaredest besides
when I've had my own family there with me, but
a big foot encounter will definitely it'll change your political views,

(58:17):
you know, the way you look at things.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
We are live here this morning, so if you're watching
this on YouTube or Facebook, we are live. If you
have any questions for my guest here William, throw them
in the comments section and we will get to them
as soon as we can. When I want to go
back to your your your dog man there that you
said you found the trackway up big around where the prince.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
The prince look to me about probably I'm going to
say a good six to six and a half inches
something like that, but there's sheral of them. And then
we found a couple of individual tracks there that were
actually made it a little bit bigger than that, you know,
it could have been with the softness of the soul,
you know, diption of the strata or something like that,
but that about six six and a half inches. And
then I have one lady down here that coincidentally my

(59:04):
mom and her aunt were in the nursing home together,
and she had some pictures of some tracks she'd cast
where the thing was actually walking past her window. She
would see in the shadow wood walking and so she
and those things there were about seven or eight inches long,
but they weren't quite as as broad as what you
know that we had there. But that was that was

(59:25):
quite The dog man is not aware. It doesn't change
back into a person. It's a species of whatever it is.
I said, I've seen five or six of the m
I saw one one time in d Queen, Arkansas, when
I was still in my ups drug and I didn't
even want to get out of the house, you know,
which was about less than a mile from where I
just seen it at. But it didn't take me long
to get that package out, get to the door, and
get back in the vehicle, get that door shut. But

(59:49):
that that dog man, I said, those tracks were really big.
The the the strideline was probably from right here, probably
about three to three and a half half feet, and
you could see the actually could actually said the show.
He's kind of slump shoulder, looks more like a dog.
Go he doesn't look like a wolf more than he does,
you know, one of my Egyptian creatures, you know, or

(01:00:11):
Wolven and uh so, I can't think the word man,
y'all forgive me, man, I've got a concussion here that's
given me grief. But anyway. But he looks more like
one of those, and you can see the tail and
the arms are just kind of skin any the way
it's hanging down. But man, he's got some broad shoulders
about seven seven and a half foot talk and so
so it's pretty cool. And that's the only one that

(01:00:33):
we've seen. We've seen one there that appears to be
they were actually on the ground there, the dog man
and they were actually on the ground there, and they
just had a female look like maybe you had some
pups there with her. But we've got several of those
up here. And that was I said, that was kind
of a that was a rude awakening. But then, like
I said again, something else. You just got to any
time in the wood, you better be careful, you know,

(01:00:53):
because there's a lot of things can happen.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
Do you have wolves down there, and by comparison, how
big are the footprints of those?

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Now we have the red wolves now we have we
used to have the timbers and things years and years ago,
but now we've got the reb wolves, and and uh,
the dog man tracks were bigger than the red wolf tracks.
There's no doubt about that right there. You know. It's
it's a it's a very uh, very dominant alpha creature
that they have down there. And then even though we

(01:01:22):
do have the wolves in here, but but uh, and
I heard one one night that one night there I
was coming out of my my deer camp and there
was one over there on a parallel road, and man,
they would stop and he would howl. I mean it
was boy, it was loud and it was just true
to tone, and he would have and then he would
walk a little further than he would howl. And I thought,
oh my god, man, surely I'm not gonna meet this

(01:01:43):
so our way in. But that's the reason I carried
some fair of pistols to see case along with part properly,
you know. But uh, but it was it was very
very and that I said that dog man looked, I
guess you would say a hyena. It would be the
word that I was looking for, you know, not like
a new bush, you know, or anything else like that,
but more like a dog on hyena and just be
as big as what he was. But then of the

(01:02:04):
baby was the same way. And down here they tend
to have like a tear drop shape a deal of
hair around their eyes. So I don't know if that's
the way the Good Lord made them. So they can
see better. I know Bigfoot does. Bigfoot's got that brow
ridge right there. And then he said, it's got the
depression right there where it's almost black right there with
it's so that they can see better or what you know,
that's what good Will prepare them.

Speaker 6 (01:02:25):
So kind of like a built in visor, you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Exactly right, and like a built in visor, exactly right,
and the kind of O Herman monster, if you guys
are watching the monsters, you know, that's just the same way.
And I thought, oh man, that's just crazy. No, it's
it's true. I said, I've got him. He's two feet
away from my camera, like I said, with that hamlet
out there, and just lock there and he's laying there.
That's the first thing I told my buddy, said Stephen,
we got was called scooping cats. If y'all have ever

(01:02:49):
heard of scoop and word go up there and got
the apples and and so. But we actually got that
right there, and that was something very proud of because
we had actually we hadn't actually outsmarted him, but we'd
actually thought along parallel lines and he actually came in
you know, to to get that dog on candy bar.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
Staying on the dog man topic here for a bit,
Lee would like to know, do the dog man pups
look more like wolves or like small dog dog man?

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
They look really more almost the ones that we saw
there looked more like little pups until they I guess
they start growing maturity on that right there, and then maybe,
But like I said, they do look kind of like puppies.
They've got the you know, they got the little pointed ears.
And I know that because we've got right now, we
rescue dogs. We got we've got had three here this
week here that we're trying to get better. And so

(01:03:40):
it's the very looks the very same way, and they
tend to follow the same area. The dog man tended
to follow the same area all the time, year after
year where we see him, except that one that I
told you that I saw up there in Deep Wing,
and that one when he walked his feet kind of
went like like that right there, and I'm like, that's
not a big foot, and that kind of let's say,
shipped me up. Because I was less than a mile
away from from my next stopper there and this was

(01:04:02):
out in the country and it's probably about eight forty
five at night. I did not want to have to
deal with a dog man at all, you know. But
this is something I'm very very I feel very fortunate
to have and very thankful to have that kind of side.
And because I can speak, I don't like like we
talked about opinions. I don't like to speak we just
on opinion, although sometimes that's all we can do. But

(01:04:22):
this is not from opinion. This is something that I've seen.
I've got some concrete evidence to back it up. And
I still have twenty seven vision. That's enough to make
me an airplane pilot if I wasn't a dog on
old you know, so so so to see those things.
So it does. It's it's pretty cool. And we live.
We've got three series of mountains here in Arkansas. We
got the washingtass we got the Ozarks, and we have

(01:04:44):
what's called the Boston Mountains. And I said, they're all
full of different kind of different kind of beings there.
And we do a lot of our research now and
then to down South River Soft Rivers just on they
just show there on Finding big Foot, where James a
Bobo said, man, he said you, he said you can
hide an elephant in there, you know. And my research

(01:05:06):
partner Daniel there he said, man, he said, it's the
Amazon of Arkansas. So Arkansas has got some strange things,
you know in it. And there's texta cana falc uh.
That's not the only places that we've had, you know,
sightings reported and so and they're their statewide and I
feel very fortunately, I said, to have kind of made
a network with some friends I can talk to. I

(01:05:27):
know five people right now that's having big foot encounters
on their property, you know, and they'll they'll tell them
about it. They'll send me a picture a lot of
them they're getting with thermals. And then I was made
friends with a guy a couple of years ago named
you Dale head Udell has got. There was a man
named Bob Donson, Robert Dodson. He had all these videos
and everything. So whenever Robert passed away, he gave these

(01:05:47):
videos to Udal. So you Del's got them and you
can see the bigfoot moving around there. And so you
Dell and I've become having become friend, well he's a
great researcher as well. And so I thought, you if
I have some questions, I thought hey, you del's this
ever happened to you?

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Yet?

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
He'll ay some of the pictures he's getting said, most
of his he's getting right now from Thrmal as well
as these other guys are mine will be generally from
I've got a flear but I most of minds just
coming from the game cameras. I've got the game cameras
set there. Some of them have been there for oh
a year and a half, and they're still getting pictures.
You know, Bigfoot is walking by and you get it,
so so I get I've gotten several pictures of troops,

(01:06:22):
you know, whether there's six or seven Bigfoot out there,
and that's kind of hard to do. And then I
actually got I was driving down this county road that
goes up divides this area that we go to at
ground zero, and there's about eight or nine brown juveniles
just fixing across the road right as I get there,
and man, I stopped and I'm sitting there just like

(01:06:43):
I'm looking at you through this deal, and here's those
juveniles right there, and they just kind of they kind
of hunker down a little bit, but I guess, you know,
a truck kind of spoken. But I'm center sick. I
took a picture, and so I've got the picture of
all those brown heads sitting right there, and it's it's
strange because there's anytime we have this formation you have
straight up three right here and it will be leaning
like this. And I told my body, I said, that's

(01:07:04):
bigfoot activity in Texas, Canada. So we have gotten several pictures.
That video I tooches we got at night was off
the alphab video alphabet structure like that, and then the
one with those other ones like that is off another
structure like that. So whatever it means to them, it
means something, you know, maybe figure that out later on.
And that's what we're trying to do right now, what

(01:07:25):
we're trying to figure out because we get so many
babies and baby pictures and tracks here from a Thanksgiving
to just after Christmas, during the best months or March
for us or March, you know, and then the first
of April and then October, we get a lot of
activity to get you see more bigfoot in that right there.
But we're trying to find out when they have their babies,

(01:07:47):
you know, how long the gestation period is. I've studied
the closest thing we got to Bigfoot is going to
be people or apes wanted to. I truly think Bigfoot
is its own creatures. Bigfoot is not an eight or
a cross put is his own creature. He is a
man and just you know, the way he moves, the
way he thinks, the things that it does, and so

(01:08:09):
being his own creature like that right there. And so
I try to give the the what I've seen and
try to put together some kind of patterns and so
so far, you know, with looking at the baby's deal,
I've done the great apes, I've done humans, and the
period tends to be you know, around nine to ten
months something to like that, even though we're a lot
a lot bigger. So maybe we'll know more about that

(01:08:29):
later on. But that's that's pretty neat when you see,
you know, those of Giv's like that, those babies like that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:37):
We've kind of talked about the the orbs and the
lights that you you've seen in the woods. But Lee
also would like to know what do you what do
you think like the woo you know, do you think
that these things are just solid flesh and blood? Do
you think that maybe they're interdimensional or paranormal or extraterrestrial
or any of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
I'm gonna. I'm from what I've seen, man, And like
I said, I've truly, honestly, I have seen a lot.
And I spent a lot of time out in the woods, man,
I mean a lot. Everything I've seen so far is
pretty well straight up as far as you know, just
being regular beings that anybody might encounter. The woo thing.

(01:09:16):
I do believe people. I've had people tell me we
went out here last year, down here at Sofa River,
and there's a slew down there, and I have some
good friends, and he says he can actually mind speak
with him, and he would not lie to me for
love or money, although I don't have that avilion. He said, Man,
he said, we went down there and UH did a
few calls, and all of a sudden we were talking.

(01:09:36):
He'll stop, and so I said, what he goes? And
so back what he said? Man? He said, he said,
you've got a big foot over right there across that waterway.
I said, yeah, I know that, I heard him. Woll
go he goes? He goes? Man, he said, he is,
I want to know why you don't ever talk to him?
And I said, man, I don't know how to talk
to Bigfoot. And I said, number two, I'm you know,
is it Bigfoot that's actually kind of communicate with me

(01:09:58):
instead of something else. So I'm just kind of whether
my mind whether it's me, because on my mind is
too closed. So I just but so far with what
I've seen, everything for me has lined up. Now one
thing they can do. I've got a picture of on
my buddy's property down there. This thing actually created some
kind of body fluid similar to paint or polish or whatever,

(01:10:20):
and actually drew a picture, a stick picture of a
parabolos stick picture. They're on this road down their pass
his house. Nobody lives past there. It's actually private land.
And he called me that afternoon. His dad, he was
eighty years old. He goes man, he said, go call
Will and so he said, he said, man, what are
you doing? I said, I said, we'll just mess around.

(01:10:41):
He goes, can you come up here a little bit?
I said, what's going on here? So I show you
when you get here. Of course, I knew that was
going to be good, because he's actually seen big good
and he's got one's property. I get up there and
they take me up there and there's this picture that's drawn.
Like I said, the arms are like this right here,
like if you've seen the stories about the orange pndict
when the orang p Indicks are all doing all this
stuff right there, and then you go a little skinny
body right here that's drawn. Then you've got the long

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legs that go all the way out across this across
Woods's Road is like I said, it's the county road.
It's about maybe a lane and a half road something
other like that. But it drew where it drew the
head in there, it actually has put some hair, and
that ain't no doubt. There's actually a hair. And not
thinking and being excited, I took my finger because I

(01:11:25):
won't see what it was and just sniff and couldn't
figure out what it was. So I took my finger
and ran through this whatever this stuff was, and sniff
my fingers, which was dumbest thing. You can actually get
what's called no cardia from if you have an animal's
gone through there and they're infected and you get it
into a cutter and wound. It happened to me, it's
happened to M. K. Davis, where all of a sudden

(01:11:46):
you get this infection. It took me a long time
to get over my hand and so but I did
that right there. But that thing, it was not polished,
It was not paint, It wasn't any kind of cream.
This was some kind of body fluid. That evident when
this thing had it was a chalk some way it
had regurgitated and drew. Now I have seen the drawings

(01:12:07):
in the dark there that looks like they made with
their stick or their hand. And then I have a
friend up at Longview, Texas that he has some of
his probably does the same thing. But this was the
strange thing that I've ever seen it. I couldn't really
square it up. And that whether that's move or not,
it's pretty. It's pretty weird.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
I don't I don't know. Maybe I missless. But what
was it on?

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
It was on the pavement that runs my buddy's house.
There's one of his old chicken house there. It dead
ends down there, so nobody lives down there anymore. It's
his house, nobody else, you know, he polices it vigorously,
and his dad was down there, and so it was
in there, and it's actually all the way across the
dog gone all the way across the road. Let me
see if I can find it quick. Remember I'm sitting here.

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May or may not can but that's something that you
really want to that you really want to see, because
it was it was, it was pretty neat, and I
was not expecting that whenever, whenever I out there. But uh,
see if I can find it. May take me while
I find my collections here. But but this thing, I said,

(01:13:10):
is all the way across that uh that dog one
roadway like that. And I said, his dad being eighty
years old and a super supremely wise man, I mean,
wise as he can be, and for that to have happened,
you know, like that right there, I was just blown away.
But actually with the hair that it actually placed, the hair,

(01:13:32):
that's kind of how mine is right now. Whether or
not he was drawing me here or what, I don't know,
but anyway, it was there, and that's the truth. And
I said, that's that's probably the closest to the to
the wo that I have seen. They if they I
have some friends who say they speak with them, and
I don't doubt them. I said, these people wouldn't hurt
me or lie to me intentionally for anything in this

(01:13:54):
world so I definitely believe what they tell me. And so,
but that was a If I can find this picture, man,
it'll it'll just blow your mind.

Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
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We're talking all about our Kinsaw and the surrounding areas
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Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
So I can't find it right now, but I'm gonna
hold this up if I can get to where it
will show. Uh. That's the dagg of nose and the
teeth of the big foot darn cam right, and they're
we're going to show it. That'll show you. I just
had to come upon that one. See if I can't
do it a little better?

Speaker 6 (01:14:35):
Back here, built the top back a little.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Okay, I can't hardly see what you got. I've got
a lot of glare here, so okay, closer, Okay, may not.
Let's see. I was worried when we started the show.
But that's his nose anyway, and the teeth or yeah,
but I apologize for that. Like I said, I wouldn't

(01:15:04):
thinking about doing the pictures. But we can do a
show again sometime if you want to. And I'll send
you some pictures to put on there, because we do
get here's a that will help you. Right there's this
is a dog man teeth. My camera's in the dog
man's mouth. And you see a big spot right there.
That's the dog man's eye or the other bigfoot's eye
right there. And you can see all the teeth right there.

(01:15:26):
And if you notice every one of those our canine
style teeth rather than bigfoot. Bigfoot has got block teeth
like we do. The other ones down here do they
got four teeth right here? Then they got the space
and that spice coincident is called the primate space. My
son's a Dennis, so he made me aware of that
right there. And so then after the primate space, and
then it's got the canine right next to that space.

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And canine only sticks down about this four more than
the rest of the other teeth up there. But I've
got more pictures of the teeth, and I have a
friend there. W've got one up there in the mouth
of a dog on Kve up in Oklahoma, and there's
like old and five big Foot up there, and so
the mama is that there, and she's bearing her teeth

(01:16:07):
at him. Well, anytime when bigfoots bearing his teeth, it's
not because he smiling wants you to take his pictures.
Bigfoots bearing his teeth because like I'm fixing, get you
out of here real quick. Maybe we'll show up.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
That's not a lot of glare from the lake there
there you can.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
See any you can see there, you can see the
nose and then right there would have been the wasn't
black Now I went black. Let's said, we'll do a
show next time and show it to you because this
is really cool to actually have Bigfoot, And I said,
they do. They're you know, of all the stages that

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people have in their life, the oral stage, will Bigfoot
is oil throughout his whole life. And so he bites,
he bites your cameras, he botes your tree structures. Uh.
I've had him bite my chairs that I put in
the woods like that had come and take about those
in the woods. So they're just they just do what
they do and maybe this will this may show up

(01:17:09):
any better. I doubt it, but.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
Uh a lot of glare.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Yeah, dog on man, I'm sorry folks, like I said,
because this that is really neat. That's the when I
told you my friend got from Oklahoma. And then there's
one that's right here. I got this year too much glare,
I'm sure, But anyway, there's Dad, I mean, but anyway,
there's one that I've got actually that has motion motion blur.
He's actually he's right there at my camera. I actually
had it tied to the tree and he's biting the

(01:17:37):
dog on camera, strapped trying to get it off there.
And like I said, it's caused motion blur. He can
see his teeth, you know, where it's broken off. So
they're they're a very very uh not afraid to use
their teeth at all. But they're just very very interesting
creature and folks. They are hunt percent real, uh I
just like I said, I never even thought about it.
And we have the fount Monster here. I mean, that's

(01:17:58):
you know, right here close to my home base. And
one of my research partners is actually the man who
played the creature in that legend by a creek. His
name is Keith Crabtree, and boy Keith is as sharp,
sharp as a cookie boy, and wey he knows everybody
down there. You know, he's got his own storages. His
uncle was Smoky crab Tree. If he all heard of
smoky crab tree in the foul so his uncle was
smoking and a Kisa great woodsman and everything as well.

(01:18:22):
But yeah, so it's it's it's down here in Falca.
It's a whole. It's the mecca a bigfoot in America.
Everybody thinks, oh well, bigfoot started out there in California.
Bigfoot didn't start in California, man, Bigfoot started in middle
of America. You know the first one, I think the
earliest one they had. Well, of course, they had a
fair up north there around the Saint Lawrence up there.
They had a guy that on the Saint Lawrence seaway

(01:18:45):
and they were having big foot sidings, and there was
one called a Goo Goo. It was supposed to be
totally a female. All their species interested. So and then
after that, and then when you get down to Nations,
Mississippi seventeen twenty one, and then Millitsville, Georgia eighteen twenty nine.
Arkansas had their first bigfoot here before Arkansas ever became
a stake, and now that was in eighteen thirty four,

(01:19:08):
so it had had their first bigfoot siding there in
eighteen thirty four. And Arkansas also has they have their
own quote lock Mass Monster in the White River Monster. See,
Arkansas has got some strange things. But the forest are
just so dog on dense, you know. You and I
talked about the my House of Rivers. You know that
it got there. That's so when you have that right there,

(01:19:28):
it's just it's gonna set itself up. And I met
a man the other night. I'm gonna tell you all
this story. I met a man the other night and
we were at the ball game together. And I haven't
got a chance to to check this out yet because
I have been busy, but he was. He was showing
me some pictures of some deer and I said, man,
that's a mountain deer. He goes, yeah, how'd you know?
I said, man, I'm real familiar with that right there.
And I said, where do you live at? And he

(01:19:49):
told me, and it's up there in the Washington Mountains.
And he said, I've got a four thousand acre ranch here.
And he said, so I got this right here. And
I said, I said, can I ask you question? He
said sure, he's I said, how many big foot have
you got on your property? And man, his eyeballs got
wide and he just started smiling and he showed me
his arm. He had chill bumps on his arm. He goes,

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how did you know? I said, because I'm very familiar
with that area, and I said, I've seen him up there.
So he actually has uh he's actually used to be
have his own TV studio and so he's got the
closed circuit stuff out there, and then he's got his
own cameras and he's got these big foot that he's
talking about on this closed circuit camera. He said, come

(01:20:29):
up here and you know, visit any time you want to.
Very very honest man, very very good guy, very articulate,
and he actually owns a TV station and a radio
station up there in those aren't mountains up there, so
I'm gonna get a chance to go up and see that.
And I'm very excited about doing that right there anytime
I get a chance to have a big foot side
and on TV. But you know when I said, when
I see him walking by my my cameras there, man,

(01:20:52):
I mean I'm about to have a you know, about
to have a catfish. I'm so excited. You know some
hearts that they're doing that number right there, you know,
but just find the tracks. So many people have never
seen a track up there where we are man we
found as many. I think the troop kind of came
in where they had migrated and they came back in.
We found probably seventy tracks that day. Not saying they're

(01:21:13):
the seventy big Foot, but seventy track they had all
walked through there. So so Arkansas is full of them.
They really are Texas full of them down there around
Sam Houston they get. Missouri's full of them there around
Mark Twain National Forest said, you get down on the
swamps Louisiana, I bash fish. There's been two. One was
reported down there at called a Chapel I basing Generate

(01:21:35):
that actually got and told that story bass Master magazine,
and so that somebody, one of the fishermen that you
got in it actually sees a big food. So to
be where I'm at there, my wife she would love
to move, except that I can't. I don't want to
drive this far through my big Foot. And that's about
all I do anymore. But I do have two books written,
you know, and they were very My first and is

(01:21:55):
four hundred and forty nine pages, and it's called that's it,
searching for them findable. My question for the Arkansas Bigfoot
and there's about forty pictures in there, I said, from
all over the place. And my nection is I've just
now got it printed. It's called Search and Playing Finable,
find the Impossible, and there's like forty clear pictures of
Bigfoot in there, of color pictures in there, and telling

(01:22:18):
the rest of it. I've got enough there on my
phone to do probably one more book and put the
pictures in. Then to do a picture book will be
what I'll do after that.

Speaker 6 (01:22:29):
I go ahead, but able to find your second book,
but I do have the link for the first one
on Amazon. Yeah you said, I came out though, so yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Do thatually. I'm gonna try my best to get this
book put on. I self published it myself, and so
I'm going to have this other book. I said, Search
and Playing, Findable, finding the Impossible, and it's I mean,
it's we got a place. And the reason it's named
that because we got the place that we can go
to that we call ground zero. And we can just
about count every single time on having some kind of encounter,
whether it's he's throwing rocks at you, whether it's even

(01:23:00):
at you, whether you're having a siding, whether you're finding
tracks whatever it is. I mean, it's that place is
just unreal. So and so that will be where the
picture that we have is coming from there. That's gonna
do on another show later on. But that you do
that right there, and I say, getting touch with me there,
You get in touch with me there on Facebook and
then I can if you want one, I can get

(01:23:22):
it to you like that way right there. But that's
but that book. If the book is truly even though
I wrote it, I gave you everything I ever ever encountered,
just about that I've ever had right there. So to
make people aware that these things are very real and
that they're thinking beings, I said, they're a feeling being
just like we are as people. And they're really surprised

(01:23:44):
you where they where their will pop up at.

Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
Cool. Well, we are going to wrap things up here
on the show really quick here, but if you guys
have any last minute questions, throw them in the comments
section and we will get to them. I have a
question back to the dog man topic off that, and
we were still getting stuff here, but we talk about
the female dog man. There's been a recent kind of
I don't know the thing about that is did you

(01:24:10):
notice any like breasts or like the dog nipples.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Dog nipples, dog dog style nipples.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
The female big Foot she had actual breasts, you know,
like the human anatomy does. And you can actually see
the end of this picture. Got she's pushing it back away.
But the others they tend to have just the nipples
there and so uh and that's it's just not too much.
Everything will have a riguar canines. But you know that's
some more studying almost. But it's a good I mean,

(01:24:38):
it's a good it's a good picture. You can see it.
I mean, and uh, so they's something else I want
to learn more about from a distance.

Speaker 6 (01:24:48):
So it seems like a weird question to ask, and
I never even thought about it. I heard it on
another podcast that they were talking about. But it does
tell you a lot because when we talk about these
things being paranormal or flesh and blood or the highbred
of some government thing. You know, if you're you're talking
about mixing species and stuff, if you have a human
style breasts on a canine, there's something even more wrong

(01:25:11):
with that than actually having the canine nipples and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Exactly. I've got I've got two good friends and very
very good dog man hunters there from from uh Tennessee
one New George and uh and uh so uh they
they one of them actually have a friend that was
killed by dog man there in the l B L.
And so they they're Darryl Dentton and then Martin Groves
who heard of those about those guys are friends of mine,

(01:25:35):
and you know they you share their stories with me.
But that's just those things right there that makes you
just scared to go, you know, when you're up there.
We went one time, me and Stephen went one time
and it was a snowstorm, and so when we got there,
there was a bunch of people there. They were just
getting ready to leave because everybody figured the snow wasn't
gonna quit. And so when we're standing out there, I'm

(01:25:55):
standing there with a guy named Gary Spike, Senior. Gary's
a good researcher. Will all of a sudden, foot starts
whistling ass from up there on top of that the hill,
I said, Garry, So we've got a big foot up
in a whistling. So we hear that two or three times.
Everybody else kind of gets in their tents. But then
it gets so cold at the side of the leaves.
So we're sitting there, and that night, about two thirty,
I hear footsteps going around our camp and that ain't

(01:26:17):
no joke, and I told Steven. I woke came up
at Stephen and I said, we've got something walking around
outside of our tent out here, and I had my
gun for protection, but I had left my shelves, my
box of shelves in the side compartment of his truck.
I guess, I guess I'm gonna have to just pistol whipping,
you know, making a joke, trying to make light of
a bad situation. But finally had you just couldn't wait

(01:26:39):
any longer, and I went outside and I had a
heater there, and I took that horrible heater and just
took it by the hand and walked out with it
there to kind of give me some light heat and
its actually it maybe some glare to in case something
was out there. But I didn't see any of the creatures.
But I did see the tracks, and the tracks were
big foot tracks actually walking around our our tent there

(01:27:00):
on LBL the land between the likes up there. So
that's that's just that's a crazy area. Up there and
the But like I said, Daryl and Martin they probably
know more about it than anybody. They've written books on it.
And I got to meet them. They came to my
house one night and we got to visit. And I
was a speaker this year at Nebraska and then Daryl
was there as well and got to talk to him
about that. So again, very very knowledgeable, god, very very

(01:27:22):
interesting things. You know, to have stuff. Y'all got a
chance to listen to any of their stuff. Daryl's got
a new show there out with Ron moorehead, so if
you get a con change to find that, you can
be interested. And then Martin has been ill, but he's
doing better, you know, thank the Good Lord. So ready
for him to kind of get back there with us too.

Speaker 6 (01:27:40):
Yeah, Darryl has been on the show. Martin, as you said,
has been hill so I haven't had a chance to
reach out to him recently. But Darryl does speak very
highly of you. He was one of the people that
commented on the show promotional thing and awesome and definitely
worth listening to and stuff, and.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
I appreciate him saying that I love those guys, man,
they said, just good guys. They're not all experience they have.
They're not haughty about it. They're glad to share it
with you, and it'll just knock your socks off, like,
oh my gosh. You know, you gots much braver than me,
you know. But they're great guys. And I appreciate their
good words too, Like I said, I love love to death. Man.
Good guys.

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
Good. We have a lot of dog man questions, not
so much bigfoot here, So we're going back to the
dog man. Did you see a tail?

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Yeah, you can kind of see a tail. It wasn't
a big, bushy tail. It was just kind of like
a straggling almost like a cow tail, with hair hanging
off of it right there. But it's funny that you
say that with all the dog man questions. I was
on vig kind of show about three time he does
dog man encounters, and he told me, he said, man,
he said, I have more people more interested in dog

(01:28:44):
man now than I do Bigfoot. I've found that to be.
Of course, I've had more experienced bigfoot, so I mean,
I just eat up with Bigfoot. But then I still
the dog man. I think the dog man gets the
blame for a lot of the stuff that the gugaway
does as far as the killing and stuff, because the
dog men I've seen, they have not offered to hurt us.
Me and Stephen. We're sixty yards away down there, open field, nothing,

(01:29:05):
you know, just lead and leading those big foot. Then
big foot slink down they went the way. The dog
man did not offer to hurt us or the other
dog men that I've seen. So so I think they
get a I think they get a bad brab. How
many puffs and that's gonna be a good question, Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
How many pups today litter for dog man?

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
Do you think? Boy? I tell you that's that'd be
one that I'll have to research more on because they
just don't. But I've got, you know, five or six
really good good pictures. I said, those pictures showed you
there with the camera in his mouth, he seals can
nine teeth. There. They say, you can count the amount
of nipples that you have on a on a canine
animal and kind of give you an idea of how many,

(01:29:43):
you know, how many nursing pups you would have. But
but I said, right now, I just that's something that
I don't know. I haven't gotten to get close enough to.
But I would, but I would like to and I'll
be glad to share if I can ever find that out.
Dog men and good way a separate internewes and what
about any Oh gosh man, Yeah, I've got devil up
Errol made. There's one standing behind where I told you.
We me and Dan, we've got the picture right there

(01:30:05):
that that we're fixing to send in there. And the
one is real tall ten and a half foot tall.
Whenever this thing moves and I go back the next
time get the picture, I stop at the same place
we've got the picture and look down there, and there's
a devil monkey right there on the edge of the woods,
like I told you, on the edge monsters on the edge,
And there he is.

Speaker 6 (01:30:22):
And so so what is a devil monkey for people
that might not be familiar with that term.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
For us up here, what we call devil monkey. It
looks almost like a dad got him a baboon or mandil.
The nose is more like that. And somebody there was
one that was killed down around the Rider Louisiana. They
thought you can look up the ridder road kill and
look and kind of see what it looks like. But
that that dog on devil monkey. He's got a nose

(01:30:49):
just like a baboon, and he's got blocked teeth. Now,
one of the pictures i've got, i'll be sure that
we do show again. I'll be sure I send it.
And you can see the block teeth in his mouth,
just like what big Foot's got. But he's standing over
there where. I've got this real big big Foot. He's
probably truly I didn't believe Bigfoot got this big, but
he tore our cameras up. He's probably twelve foot tall.
And he's over there, and him and another baby Bigfoot

(01:31:13):
are over there and they're scared to death. They're hiding
in some brush and I've got a picture of them
over you can see them over there as well, and
they're not very happy about this great old, big, tall
Bigfoot man. He's he's a dude, boy. So but the
the devil monkey. We do have them here, and you
know you're starting to hear more about them. That's gonna
be something that but I've got I've got pictures of

(01:31:33):
I think three of them. There are three different ones
on different occasions, and they do they look just like
a man drill or a or a baboom And I
said that, Nos, it's just kind of flat. But they
got some funky tea, I mean, some big teeth and everything.
And their eyes the pictures I've got their eyes are
like all kind of crazy like that right there. Like
I don't know if it's because the the glare from
the camera or whatever it is, but it surprised me

(01:31:57):
even more. But they are real. Devil monkeys are real.
And you here, uh you hear the guys from the
show they're killing Bigfoot there, the show that they had there.
They're for friends of mine and I'll talk to them
about that. We've been out together, spell together to the
Louisiana Bigfoot conference last year and and the and the
same way. So there they got the devil monkeys down
there with them. They and they do what that that

(01:32:19):
whistling deal, like the crazy bar deer whatever, they won't
call it. That's but but that's where the river was
around their area of Louisiana. Down there.

Speaker 6 (01:32:30):
You know, it's going back to like the flesh and
blood natural animals of this. You know, if I didn't
know that canines and primates couldn't breed together, I would
almost wonder if these things were kind of like a
hybrid when you talk about the different snouts and stuff
and the point of ears on these creatures. If you
could breed a bigfoot with a dog man, you might

(01:32:51):
get some offspring like that. But I if these things
are just flesh and blood, natural creatures, that shouldn't be possible.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
Yes, I agree with you with that right there. You know,
I'm not a big believer in science because there's so
many things that science denies that I've actually seen with
my own eyes. So science, can you know, can go
kick rocks as far as that goes. They want Tony Bigfoot,
they wanted to deny God, all that other things. They
want to deny a dog man and then somebody gets killed. Well,
you know, we're just gonna keep that secret. That's not
that's not the way to do, you know. But if

(01:33:21):
they deny all that stuff. But what we've what we've
discussed your days revel Like I said, they Gugway buddy,
just I watched him run up from the bottom and
watched him set up and with the Bigfoot and then
the dog man and those three things I thought I'd
never been talking about from a first person point of view,
But I can, because I got the pictures right here,
and so it's it's really the dog man is just

(01:33:41):
really there's a lot of them in Texas. Now. They
kind of got started up there in Wexford, Wichard County,
Michigan up there, you know, and you saw that one
video there that the guy well that was actually a
fake video. I can't remember that what they call that thing.
But but anyway, they kind of gone straight over there
across the north and then kind of going down the
eastern steave board. Have a friend lives in North Carolina.

(01:34:02):
He said he's got quite a few dog men on
his property. And then they had a show there that
was also on Travel Channel right there on on the
right around Lake tex Sawna, and those guys actually had
a couple of dog men charging then. And then another
guy from uh up in North Carolina one of the
uh uh state parks there and Pettigrew I think it's

(01:34:22):
Pettigrew State Park and he's sitting there, him and his
wife and he's showing the dog on you know, the
dog man sitting there looking them. But man, that's you know,
something like that right there. It was just tearing you apart.
You can kind of tell what kind of food any
kind of animal has based on their teeth that they
got the square teeth. As a rule, it's going to
be you know, vegetation and stuff. It might be an opportunities.
But when you've got the canine teeth and the real

(01:34:44):
long canines that you used to rip things like that,
and that's you know, then that's a different story. So
from what I'm seeing in these pictures of God, it's
you know, But I said, we'll do another show if
you decide to have me back on it or take
me some pH off seeing some of these pictures and
just you'll let you let you look at it and
and uh someone like I said, some of them are
real clear, some of them are not. That's just kind
of what you get. You kind of got to eat

(01:35:05):
what you're served on this stuff right here.

Speaker 6 (01:35:06):
But we had a question all the way from Scotland here.
I would like to know do you think that there's
any bigfoot in the UK. Obviously maybe you haven't been
over there, but what are your what are your thoughts
on UK, Scotland and the bigfoots.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
Okay, I've been to Ireland, haven't been to Scotland. I
went over there and they have what's called, Uh, let's
see the woodwoves over there. And so I went in
there every place every town I went to in Ireland
at the Chamber Commerce and everything, and some of the
people I met, have you ever heard of woodbows? Have
you ever heard of woodwoves? Most people have never heard
of it. But finally I did get to somebody there
that said, oh, yeah, man, you're talking about the Irish

(01:35:43):
Scottish Bigfoot. But there where they did the show with
mel Gibson. Uh was this show that he did over
there whenever he was that William Wallace. Uh So right
there there at that town, right there where all mel
Gibson's equipment is right there in that that office there
with the Chamber of Commerce and uh so you go

(01:36:05):
in there and look at that stuff right there. But
they have a statue of what they call the woodbells,
but it's like a human being just with a real long,
real long beard, you know. But they call him like
the giant of the woods over there. But yes, And
I have another friend that's on my Facebook pager and
he's he goes out and he he actually uh does

(01:36:26):
the big Foot research there in the UK and Scotland
and and I believe they're there. I just don't see
a reason for them not to be. Now the other place.
You know, some people say, well, Hawaii has them, but
I've been to Hawaii two or three times, and that's
everything they have was brought there by the Kings so
that they could have something for these settlers to hunt,
so they could improve their economy. But I don't I

(01:36:47):
don't know that they do have what's called the men
of Honey. I talk to some people who those are
the little people. You know, the bullets Amanda, the Minnie
Honey are real over here, you know, said who am
I side? I said, just because I've never experienced them,
don't mean somebody else had so. But there's some really
good things. But they're big, big, There's no doubt that
big put are in the UK. And those mountains up

(01:37:09):
there in Ireland, man, were just beautiful, you know, had
the sheep up there, and then the rocks that they'd
actually you know, laid to make the fences rather than
actually using any mortar and things like that. But I
could definitely see it. And my friend says he gets
them all the time whenever he gets them in the
shooting him on video. So to look up a big
put in the UK or Irish, the Irish big put.

Speaker 6 (01:37:32):
Yeah, what do you think about sasquatch absorbing late or
having like different kind of hair that can appear almost
blacker than black.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
I believe that because for that reason. You know, I
remember from a friend of mine remind me of it
that almost forgot it, but they can. Polar bears have
got clear hair, but it shows up as white. Uh
So how that happens is beyond me. But I also
know one thing. You can take like a prism, you know,
the the triangle shake prism, and you can take white

(01:38:02):
light and bring it through there and it all of
a sudden breaks up into the seven different colors of
the rainbow. Uh you can. I think it does not
beyond conception that to believe that the bigfoot hair where late.
You know, my dogs, I rescue dogs. I've got nine
dogs over here and two pups over here, and when
they bristle boil those you see their hair change directions

(01:38:24):
like that that that could actually that could actually be
what makes that hair look different or what looks to
be what's called cloaking. And so that's my opinion on that.
I can't verify that, except to say that the prism
stuff I did. I did start studying photography like crazy

(01:38:45):
because of me getting the big Foot pictures on there
on the cameras and stuff. And I believe that it's
the polar bear hair. Polar bear hair is white. I
mean it's clear and it shows up white for whatever reason.
Why could you do that with the you know, with
with the prism and everything.

Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
I have red hair that appears great. I like that one.

Speaker 5 (01:39:06):
I have this.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
Here here.

Speaker 6 (01:39:15):
Yeah, awesome, awesome. All right, Well we get we get
talked forever. I know that you want to You're you're
good to hang out here. So that's why we're going
a little longer today.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
But if I know it, I'll be glad. And if
I don't, I'll just tell you I don't know. But
I can give you what my educated gifts.

Speaker 5 (01:39:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:39:34):
If you guys have any last minute questions, throw them
in the comments. Otherwise we're going to wrap this up
and call it a day here. But tell us again,
you have two books out searching for the Unfindable, my
best for Arkansas's Bigfoot and your second book that unfortunately
I didn't find a picture of. But where can people
find this? Where can people get ahold of you? If

(01:39:56):
they want to send you reports or pick your brain more,
send it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
To me there. I look up my name there on
a Facebook Messenger there, and like I said, I can
get you. I'm right now. I've been shipping all my
books through Facebook Messenger right now. I said, we'll try
to get him on Amazon there, but I could get
him printed quicker by if I did it myself rather
than going through the other stuff. And so having that
us called searching for them, finally finding the impossible, and
the reason it's finding the impossible because we found that

(01:40:22):
area where we can actually count on I'm not kidding
with you, we can actually count on having a dog
on bigfoot encounter just in here every time we go.
And the guy from a cryptive wilderness research, Daniel Becker,
Daniel will vouch for that because he came down here
and I mean, it's it's just he just matter of fact.
That's what got him to be an a podcaster because
we're having so many activities and it just blew his

(01:40:43):
mind and I felt the pressure was on, but then
I really didn't because the area is just that good.
So you can can look that up and give him
a buzz again. Duke Sullivan there with World Bigfoot Radio,
he can you can see some of the pictures that
I have up there that I was sent to Duke,
and uh but I wasn't. I I think you'll enjoy it.
Like I said, it's on the cover of my next
book that I have right there, this one I've got

(01:41:06):
for Finding the Impossible. There's a picture of a big
foot about two feet away looking at my dog on camera. Man.
You can see he's got the intent in his eyes.
He's looking straight into the camera, so you can see
the nose of the nose is real close underneath the
bridge right there. It's not way down like a Pavoscus monkey,
but the noses right there, which you can see that
right there, and then that will be the and the

(01:41:26):
eyes will be extremely red. On that book. On the
cover of that book, I made him pop a little bit.
They actually came in with kind of a little bit
of jauntage color, kind of like a Warewell's eyes. But
then I cleared it down to where it was where
it was just basically colorless, and then pop it up
in here with the red and it's the red actually
came up. So, but I think you'll enjoy that too.

(01:41:48):
Like I said, there's about forty, maybe better than forty,
pictures of Bigfoot. Most of them are most of them
are clear that you have right there. I've got two
or three. I've got the picture of the babies, got
the picture of the hand, you know, some different things.
Got the picture of the and so you know, it's
it's I hope it will at least just fail some
of these nice airs to say it's not there, folks.
I got no you know, no reason why. I tell you,

(01:42:09):
good grief man. And I didn't create these creature. Good
Lord did, and there his you know. But but people
all over this country side and all over other countries
are seeing these things. They're not just pulling your leg.
You know, the chances of I have one guy there
where I was working out. He was telling me that
he had a buddy that was out there getting some
pictures of people there, and he's fixing and put it

(01:42:30):
on the website. And I say he won't have my picture.
He goes, oh, yes he will. I said, oh no,
he won't. I said, I'm three miles into the wood, buddy.
So we bet one hundred dollars, and man, I ain't
never got one hundred dollars. But coincidentally, that day, man
I had a brand new hundred dollar bill. So we
made a bet with somebody there as a witness, and
so I pulled out that new twenty man, like I
tell people, Benjamin Franklin's hair was still calm, man, I mean,

(01:42:50):
it was just and so he pulled out five old
ratty twenties. And so we're gonna wait a year. I
can give me a year, I said, after a year
from now, I said, we'll check and see. I want
to see my picture so you can have hundred dollar bill.
Of course, he renig, you know, but nevertheless, uh, it
was there, and everybody's there at the gym was giving
him great So I thought, she's I thought, you's so
sure he's gonna get you. He said, well, he said,

(01:43:11):
He said, he just ain't got it to me yet.
And I gave I gave hi another two weeks. So
where's my picture at? And I said, more important that
where my one hundred dollars at? But you know, just
when when you get a chance to kind of quail
down some of that nice air talk, I'll take that
pretty good that's a that's a big tree for me
as well, because folks, they're real, they're they're real. Arkansas
is full of them. Arkansas is the mega Bigfoot, the

(01:43:33):
mecca Bigfoot activity in America. I promise you.

Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
Very good, very good. I go to leave you with this.
Uh octopus with no friends says, it is so incredible
for me to get to connect with you with so
much experience. I appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
To you, which I appreciate you, man, I said, contact me. Uh,
I've been having some trouble with my phone is uh
you know that's old Barnby earlier there got yeah, some
things going on wrong. Ever, as soon as I get
all that corrected to if I don't get you sis,
i'll get this other mis corrected, I'll be able to
get back. We just send me a message and I
can at least contact. That way, I can send you
some you know, some of the pictures you can send

(01:44:09):
across the internet, some of them you know you can.
But do that right there. And I look forward to
and look forward to meeting all the folks have been
here that I've talked to. Thank you for participating, you know,
and showing the interest. I don't take that very I
don't take that lightly in times somebody shows interested in
something what I'm doing, and that that's been forty eight
years of my life now and so so I appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (01:44:30):
Well, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you.

Speaker 5 (01:44:31):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:44:31):
You are you lived up to everyone's hype that you
are going to be a great guest and get taking
your extra time and stuff and hanging out and answer
questions and everything, and definitely look forward to once we
get the technical issues and stuff fixed out here, to
get some pictures and definitely have you back on.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
So I appreciate that my big twitterficial get wound up,
and so is the guy that's looking for him, so
I'll have hopefully have some new stuff to do as well.
I said, with all the deer right now, they're going
to be shot and now looking around the woods and
have a lot of new stories and pictures you go.
So I appreciate that to look forward to sharing them there.

Speaker 6 (01:45:01):
Absolutely. If you got anything coming up or anything you
want to promote, or some big exciting news, just reach
out and let me know and we'll definitely get you
back as well.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
Sounds good, folks, I appreciate you'll Thank you marmick man.
It means everything in the world, and really does.

Speaker 6 (01:45:15):
I appreciate that. Thank you Manteo. Okay, all right, guys,
that is our show here today. I do want to
thank Octopus with No Friends says Barnaby, You're the man.
Thanks for all you do. I appreciate that. Thank you
so much for tuning in and watching the show every
week and sharing your time with me. Uh and all
of my amazing guests here. Has been absolutely great doing

(01:45:37):
the show and getting to meet all these people and
you know, pick their brains because at the end of
the day, I'm not doing this for for money or
for you know, anything like that. It's you know, I
get to literally pull the people that I want to
talk to and spend an hour of my time every week, uh,
picking their brain for selfish personal reasons of me and
whether or not you guys are listening or not. I mean,

(01:45:58):
that's that's what I'm doing. So I appreciate you guys
coming along and indulging my self satisfying questions to my
guests and all of that. So thank you guys so much.
If you're interested in everything that I do, head on
over to Wisconsincaps dot com or Wisconsin caps on all
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(01:46:22):
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(01:46:44):
here on the Untold Radio Network. So until Thursday, I'll
see you on the edge.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (01:46:49):
Take care, ye

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