Paranormal Spectrum #77 Mexico’s Unexplained Paranormal with Guest Robert Bitto

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That's what's coming up with CAPS. Hope you guys are
excited about that, but I am excited for my guest.
He has been on the show Uh Monsters on the
Edge before talking about all the creepy, wonderful monsters of Mexico.
But now he joins us to talk about some of
the culture of Mexico for Diandelos, Maritos and the spooky stuff.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
All right, guys, my guest is Robert Biddo.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
He hosts the podcast YouTube show Mexico Unexplained since twenty
sixteen and has published three books coming another one soon
on the magic, the mysteries and Miracles of Mexico. In
addition to his MBA and BBA, he holds an MA
in Latin American Studies from the US University of New Mexico.

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In twenty fifteen and sixteen, he served as the San
Diego Chapter president of MENSA. Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome
Robert to the show. Robert, thank you so much for
coming back. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (07:14):
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Awesome.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
I was really excited to talk to you the first
time about cryptids and monsters and chupacabras and all that stuff.
And since then I've been super excited to have you
back and chat all about the legends, lore and folklore
and paranormal of Mexico.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
So I'm gonna leave it to you, man, what do
you want to talk about? First?

Speaker 7 (07:38):
Well, there's a lot to talk about. I mean, I
you want to talk about paranormal, we can talk ghosts, legends.
I'm thinking, you know, there are two big hot spots
we can focus on and then we can go, you know,
in a lot of different directions. When I'm okay, go

(07:59):
ahead it.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Let's start because it is this type of year, can
we start with yade los moritos?

Speaker 7 (08:06):
Okay, yeah, we can talk about that.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Because this is this has always fascinated me. How like
we look at death different so many different ways around
the world. And I've always been fascinated by you know,
it's a celebration. They they, I'll let you talk, and
this is this is really cool coming up.

Speaker 7 (08:23):
So yeah, it's in a few days. We're recording this
on the thirtieth of a lot. Oh I thought these
shows were ever green. Yeah, so okay, well in a
few days. Well tomorrow, actually tomorrow is the thirty first
of October, and in the the middle of the day,

(08:47):
noon one o'clock, that's when people start preparing for the
return of the souls of children. Okay, so the holiday
starts really in the early afternoon on our Halloween, and
then it lasts two more days and other you know,
certain villages and towns may extend the holiday too. And

(09:11):
so what it is, like you said, it's a celebration.
It's not meant to be mournful, and it's not meant
to be spooky. And it has interesting origins. It has
its foundations in indigenous cultures that no one knows exactly

(09:32):
how far This holiday goes back thousands of years most likely,
and when the Spanish arrived to Mexico, they encountered living,
breathing civilizations. Okay, of course, there were some civilizations that
were you know, long gone, like the Olmech or the
toll Tex, but they encountered living Maya people, and the

(09:55):
Aztec Empire was in you know, in full swing when
they got there and they they encountered this holiday. They
they came face to face with this death holiday the Spaniards,
and it was celebrated in the springtime, and it was

(10:16):
to honor the god mik Lante Kutli, the god of death,
who lived you know, in the underworld and in a
place called mik Lan. And it happened, like I said,
in the springtime, and it was kind of like a
goodbye to the death season, you know, winter, and hello

(10:39):
to the new renewal. So it was a popular holiday,
and it was celebrated in central and southern Mexico by
the indigenous people. And when the Spaniards arrived, they were
outnumbered like a thousand to one, and so they couldn't
just clabor the natives with their religion, had to kind

(11:00):
of blend it together. So the holiday Da Day los
Montezos down there, they call it Da Demuertos. We had
the loss here in the US day of the Dead.
The holiday is what they call syncretic. It's a blend
of you know, our old are All Souls Day and

(11:21):
All Saints Day combined with this indigenous holiday. They took
that springtime holiday and moved it to correspond with the
Catholic calendar. And we see the same sort of thing
in let's say, you know, northwestern Europe and the United States.

(11:42):
What does what does a rabbit and painted eggs have
to do with the crucifixion? Nothing? It was a blend,
you know. When when the Christians went into the pagan
areas of Europe, they had to do the same thing
that the Spanish did in Mexico. They had to say, okay,
how do we incorporate the old beliefs into the new

(12:03):
ones so that the bitter pill goes down easier?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
You know.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
So in Mexico they moved the holiday, and then also
they took some elements of the holiday and kind of
changed them around. Like one of the things that you're
supposed to do during this holiday season for Day of
the Dead is you construct an altar in your home

(12:30):
to welcome a dearly departed people back to the earthly realm,
you know, and so on this altar in Aztec homes.
Before the Spanish came, they used to construct this altar
and put marigolds, which are still there today. They would

(12:52):
burn colepal incense and that's still used today. You can
buy it in stick form, but the traditional incenses in
like this chunky, chunky sap that's hardened that you put
it in a little comal and you burn it. And
when I had a retail store, I used to sell

(13:14):
a lot of that stuff, and so that carried over.
But one thing that was changed was the whole idea
of sugar skulls. Okay, today, it's very popular nowadays to
make skulls out of sugar and decorate them and put
them on the altar, and they're supposed to represent, you know,

(13:34):
the dearly departed. And people can get really elaborate with
these sugar skulls. And the art form is called alfenike,
and you combine egg whites with sugar and water. But
here in America we do merangue powder, you know, because
of salmonella and all of this, you know, potential disease.

(13:56):
But when the Spanish arrived, they weren't making sugar skulls.
They were making skulls out of out of corn meal
and blood, and so they said, no, we can't do this.
So that's one element that changed. And then now the
the altars have Catholic saints on them, whereas before they

(14:18):
had idols of different gods, you know, like Miclante Cutli
or Witzelbopochle, you know, some of the main gods there
would be represented on the the altars in the home.
And they call in an olfrenda now and that comes
from the Spanish word ofresser, which sounds like our word offering.

(14:41):
It's from the same Latin route. And so you put
mementos from the people who've passed on this o freenda
this altar, you know, maybe their favorite food, some cigarettes, alcohol, whatever.
And then at night during during these days of the dead,
because it really is plural, right, it's not one day,

(15:04):
and during the night, people go to the cemeteries and
they spend some time a few days before the holiday
cleaning up the cemeteries, you know, cutting back the brush
or pulling weeds, and then you know, like cleaning the
headstones and stuff. And then the cemeteries become a place
where people celebrate and there are musicians and lots of

(15:25):
drinking and lots of food and stuff like that, sweets
and things. And you know, it's a holiday that is
becoming more and more popular in the United States because
not only because of immigration, but there are a lot
of people who are not Mexican who are celebrating it
for various reasons. For example, when I had a retail

(15:48):
store in Phoenix, I had an African American woman come
in and she said, you got to help me with
this d delos Marto stuff. I'm trying to get over
the death of mine, my son, who died tragically at
a party, you know, there was a shooting or something.
And she said, I have a therapist who's Mexican American,

(16:10):
and she suggested that I embrace this holiday to try
to help me with my grieving. And so she asked me,
you know, to explain to her and you know, sell
her the supplies that she needed or whatever. So that
shows that there is some sort of cross cultural acceptance

(16:30):
of this holiday because people see that there's some benefit
in celebrating it. And there are also if you permit
me another little story, there are also there's also a
lot of misunderstanding about the holiday. It's it's not with
all the skulls and stuff. It's not devil worship. It

(16:51):
has nothing to do with that sort of thing. And
a lot of people don't understand that some people who
really believe in this wholeheartedly, they actually believe that the
veil becomes thinner between these two worlds, and people come down,
you know, your relatives will be with you for a

(17:14):
few days. And the sense the smells from the altar there,
you know, the incense and the sugar smell, and the
smell of the marigolds brings the people down. And when
I had my retail store, I was profiled on a
local TV station about it, right, and then I got

(17:38):
contacted by a local hospital. They were just starting their
multicultural awareness department or whatever, and they had me lecture
to a group of doctors, surgeons, you know, a lot
of health professionals, because they were getting people, especially young kids,
you know, who always if they're first generation, they always

(18:01):
have to translate for the parents or whatever, and they
were getting at this time twenty years ago, there was
or more a little bit more than twenty years ago.
It was really the beginning of a huge influx of
people from Mexico, from smaller villages and stuff from more
indigenous parts, you know. And like one doctor was telling

(18:27):
me that they sent a little girl who was like
nine years old to grief counseling because she was insistent
that Horbuela, her grandmother, who had just passed away in
the hospital, well she's coming back in a few weeks.
And they were like, no, you know, this girl is
having a hard time accepting the death of her grandma.

(18:50):
And then you know, that's when I came in and
I lectured about the whole holiday. But what was happening
in this case was this little girl. It was something beautiful.
She was holding her culture very close to her, you know,
and she really believed that herbuel la nana would come back.

(19:11):
And you know, there were a couple of other cases
like that in that hospital, and the hospital people were like,
what the heck is this? This is not right. And
like I said, with that little girl, they sent her
to grief counseling when she really didn't need grief counseling.
She needed the other people around her to understand where

(19:32):
she was coming from, and they didn't. They had no idea.
But I think now there's more awareness for this holiday
in the United States so we'll see, you know, I
think it's growing, and Halloween, you know, is right there
with it. And Halloween is just crazy, like as far

(19:52):
as you know, the amount of money that people spend.
And I sell things, you know through my business that
from support Day of the Dead, you know, like all
of the different things that you would need and you know,
different crafts and stuff. And I've been doing that since
nineteen ninety nine, twenty six years, and I find that
October is my highest selling month because people are buying

(20:16):
all of this stuff and most of the cells come
from the United States, They're not coming from Mexico. So yeah,
this holiday, it's it's important to a lot of people.
It has appeal across cultures. And if you're not Mexican American,
it's okay to celebrate it because you know what, one

(20:37):
of the biggest components of culture. One of the elements
of culture is that it's shared. It's that's the nature
of culture. It's shared among people. You can enjoy another
person's holiday. It's okay. You know, there might be some
people out there that say, oh what, you know, you're
not part of our group, but that's not the nature

(20:58):
of culture. It's a beauty. I think that people are
sharing this and like I told you earlier about that
woman coming into my store who was not Mexican, she
was using it as a tool to overcome the tragic
death of her son. I mean, how could you say
that there's something wrong with that? I mean, but I

(21:20):
think that's Day of the Dead in a very very
big nutshell. If you have any questions, you know, if
fire them off or if the people in the chat
have anything to say, Yeah, I'm open to any questions.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
If you guys are watching live, throw any questions that
you got in the chat on the Day of the
Dead deal ada, Yeah, that Mexican holiday anyway.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
Hey you tried, I am awaking coherent. I just don't
show it.

Speaker 7 (21:50):
So oh no. I love this.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
I absolutely have always been fascinated by it and the
holiday and stuff.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
I think it's really strange.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I don't know, I don't know a good word for it,
but you know, like I one of the one of
the neat things that I saw was Josh Gates did
this four part series on TV and it was all
about the different cultures and the different like death rituals
and how people celebrate and and deal with the death
of a loved one around the world, and it was

(22:22):
one of the best. I mean, I love Josh Gates
and all the Expedition, Destination Truth, all that stuff they did,
but I honestly think that was one of the best
shows because it shows how, you know, for claiming that
the United States and America is this great American melting
pot and all these cultures come here, we have a
very Western view of death.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
It is.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
It is almost taboo, you know. One of the things
that stood out to me is, I don't remember where
it is, somewhere over in Asia area, over there or whatever.
They actually take the body of the deceased and they
live with it for an entire year, and they they
washed the body, they clothe it, they have meals with it,

(23:04):
and then at the one year point of it, they
take it and they build a pyre and they walk
it through town to where it's going, and I'm pretty
sure they burned it at that point. But it was
so interesting that they live with the body of the
deceased for an entire year in their house and take
care of it, bathe it like it was still part
of it, and then they have this big ritual after

(23:26):
that point, it's like to think of that now, like
think of that in Western society here in the US.
For somebody to do that, it's just you know, we
think it's like gross taboo whatever, you know, what's wrong
with these people? And there's so much I just I
don't know. I'm obsessed with like all the weird stuff
that not weird, but the cultural things that are are
different with that.

Speaker 7 (23:46):
So yeah, interesting.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
I also didn't know that. I know that a lot
of like you said that when the Spaniards came and
Christianity came, everything got shuffled and moved and stuff, But
I didn't know that it originally was was in the spring. Yeah,
so I learned something. I love learning things on this show. Awesome,
I knew it, I knew I was so all right.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
I think a lot of Americans don't understand that tradition.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
Lisays, Yep, absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
You know.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
I had a woman, a very religious woman one time,
come into my store and she was like, I've been
I've been dreading walking in here and all of this
stuff because of all these skeletons, And she claimed that
Satan himself was using Mexican immigration to bring devil worship

(24:39):
up to the United States and that was her big
thing and everything. And she was talking to me and
she was shaking and all this stuff, and I said, no,
I'll tell you all about it if you want, you know.
And I said, there's no one in the store right now,
let's talk about it. And she was like, no, I
just wanted to gain the cur courage to come in

(25:00):
here and actually see the person who is behind all
of this stuff, you know. I see the skeletons in
the window and all of this. And she goes, I
know all about it. I know that Satan is using
the Mexicans as piggybacking all of this stuff in here.
And I'm like, okay, all right, but yeah, I mean,

(25:21):
most people I think are open to at least learning
and then making up their minds afterwards, you know.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
But I think a lot of our anti whatever comes
from lack of understanding.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
Sure, the time people are afraid of something or don't
like something, or you know, like culturally or you know,
a race or religion or any of that comes from
just a lack of understanding or a lack of knowledge
on it.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
So yeah, now let me ask you this.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
I have heard that like the whole sugar skull makeup
and stuff is like disrespectful, like for people to like
culturally appropriate it or anything. Have you?

Speaker 6 (26:04):
What is your take on that?

Speaker 7 (26:06):
Well, those are some hardcore people. Like I said, culture
is shared. That's the nature of culture. And you know,
I am not Mexican. I am not Mexican American. I'm
a twelfth generation American, Okay, on my mom's side, and
I'm trafficking in this stuff and I'm talking about it

(26:28):
and everything. And why am I doing that? Because it
was shared with me. I mean, it was shared with me,
and I thought it was wonderful stuff, and so I'm
sharing it with other people. That's the nature of culture.
And see, I don't understand anything about cultural appropriation because

(26:49):
culture was meant to be shared. And these people who
who say things like that, you can pick apart their
lives and see how they've appropriated culture. Oh really, you're
speaking English, you know, Mamoiselle Espanol. Oh you don't know Spanish. Well, okay,
but you know you can get into this whole. It

(27:11):
gets messy, and it doesn't have to be that way.
I mean, it's the bottom line. Culture is shared and
as long as you are not mocking making fun of
you know, if you're if you're following the rules respective respectfully.

(27:34):
I don't think that there should be a problem with
any of this. I mean, if you set up your
alter the way that it's traditionally done, and you you know,
if you see someone else's stuff and you're respectful of
their stuff, then I don't get it. I mean it
should be okay.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Absolutely all right, Well let us roll on here. Doesn't
like we have any questions about that. Just a lot
of confirms, agrees and all kinds of stuff like that
and hello and welcome and thanks for watching us and
stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
So awesome. So let's get into some spooky.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Stuff of Mexico's and stories and stuff like that. You started,
and I apologize for cutting you off, but I wanted
to kind of get this in before we delve into this.
So tell me, tell me where you're going with this.
You said there was there was two areas of activity
down in Mexico.

Speaker 7 (28:29):
Well, you know, there are a lot of different paranormal
hotspots that we could talk about, but since we're close
to Halloween, you know, you know, ghosts, witches, stuff like that,
there are two places that come to mind for me
that are you know, chock full of stories and legends
and you know, and stuff like that. One is in Guadalajara.

(28:53):
It's near the cathedral and it's a cemetery and it's
called it has two names, the Cemetery of Santa Paula
because there was a little chapel there dedicated to Saint Paula,
and so it got a nickname. But it's also called
the Pantheon de Blein and ponte is a cemetery. You know,

(29:14):
it almost sounds like the English word pantheon, and I
think it comes from the same route, but it does
mean cemetery. It doesn't mean like a collection of gods
like the pantheon in Rome, So Pontion de Belin, and
that's like the older name for this cemetery. So that's
one thing that I'm thinking about. Then I'm thinking about

(29:36):
the Mexico City subway system that has a lot of
legends and lots of ghosts and things like that. So
one of the most popular legends in Mexico has to
do with that cemetery in Guadalajara. So we can talk

(29:57):
about the legend of Nachito, and Nachito was a little
boy and he was afraid of the dark, and he
was scared, you know, to sleep in the dark, right,
So his parents would have torches that they lit outside
the window of his bedroom. Okay, And this was in

(30:19):
the mid eighteen hundreds, and one day there was a
big storm that blew through Guadaljara and it blew out
the torches, which was something that never happened, and poor
Nachito got really scared. His real name was Ignacio, they
just called him na Chito. That was his little pet name.

(30:40):
Little Nachito got so scared that he had a heart attack.
And this was like a nine year old kid, and
he had a heart attack. So the parents were like,
oh my gosh, what happened to Nachito, you know, and
they mourned his death. They took him to that cemetery
and they you know, typical burial. But what happened the

(31:03):
next morning is the coffin was disinterred. It was on
the surface instead of buried, and people were like, what's
with this little coffin, what's going on here? And the
caretaker was like, well, we buried it, why is it out?
And then for the next eight days they reburied it

(31:28):
and it was unburied in the next morning, and then
the parents said, well, Nachito was always so afraid of
the dark, and that's why he doesn't want to be underground.
So what they did is they built him like this
above ground tomb that's on like four legs, this marble

(31:48):
tomb or whatever, and then they put the casket in there,
and no problems except that he, I guess still doesn't
like to be confined in that in that you know tomb,
because people see balloons going through the cemetery with no

(32:11):
kid holding them, you know, and they hear noises, and
I think there was even a ghost hunting show that
went down there and recorded a voice of a little
boy saying, dombe chocol la titos, give me little chocolates.
So that was what do they call that, the em

(32:32):
V or what is that.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
There's a EVP electronic, that's it.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
So they did a recording and then they heard this
little boy in Spanish saying, give me some little chocolates.
But anyway, then it's become a phenomenon now down in
that city. April thirtieth is Children's Day, you know we
have in America, we have Mother's Day, Father's Day. They
have that down there too, But then they also have

(32:59):
children's and that's April thirtieth, and on that day people
go to Nachito's tomb and they donate all these toys
and stuff. It's almost like a pilgrimage site. And then
what they do with the toys is they donate the
toys to charity, you know, after they let a few

(33:19):
days go by or whatever, and you know, donate the
toys to charity. But that is probably one of the
most famous stories in all of Mexico, besides the mannequin
in Chihuahua that comes to life. That's the number one story.

(33:40):
But since we're since we're concentrating on the cemetery, there
are other stories there, like there's a story of a
vampire that was buried. Okay, now this is a crazy
story because one day, also in around the time Nachito,

(34:00):
in the mid nineteenth century, there were some there were
some animals that were being found with all the blood
sucked out of them. What they call that exanguination, right
is that right? Okay, they were exanguinated, and you know
that ties into the most popular cryptid in Mexico, right,

(34:24):
the chupa cabra sucking all the blood out of the
animals right there. But at the time before that Christina show,
that Cuban lady that popularized the troop of cabra across
the entire hemisphere. That was long before Christina. So people

(34:45):
thought that. They didn't think that it was a troop
of cobra or any sort of animal that did that.
They thought that it was a vampire. And so this
is what it's a kind of a funny story. I mean,
it's tragic, but this is what the people did in
order to stop this bloodsucking creature, you know, the vampire.

(35:08):
They got everyone in the neighborhood together and they picked
the person with the palest complexion and said, you're the vampire,
because according to lore vampire Lourie, that's you're the palest person.

(35:29):
So the guy had jet black hair and very very
white skin, and they said, well, you know, to test
if he's a vampire, we're gonna draw, you know, put
a steak through his heart, right, and then so they
lynched this guy just based on his appearance, okay, and

(35:52):
then they put him you know, then they they figured
out no, wait a minute, he wasn't a vampire because
I guess some of the bloodsucking kept going on or whatever.
So they interred him in this cemetery, the same cemetery
where little Nachito is, and they put him in this tomb,

(36:14):
and a tree started to grow on top of the tomb,
and no one wanted to get close to the tomb
to take the tree away. And now the tree is
like the root system is covering the whole tomb.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
And a.

Speaker 7 (36:30):
Rumor has been going around for decades now that when
the tree's root system takes the lid off of the coffin,
even like a little bit, then the vampire is going
to escape and get his revenge on the descendants who
had him lynched, because that's not you know, he wasn't

(36:53):
a real vampire. So there's this story. There's this anticipation
that one day and it's close, because I've seen that
tomb and it's this root system is huge, and it's
it's like starting to go into under the lid. There
are roots that are going under that lid. So it's

(37:13):
only a matter of time that it jostles that lid,
you know, and then everything's gonna break loose. Right, So
that poor pale faced man, you know, you're the vampire.
I mean, I can't even imagine that, but that's what

(37:34):
supposedly happened. And there are two other stories that come
from this cemetery that are interesting. One has to do
with the pirate who was a real life pirate and
a lot of people don't know this. Here's some brief history.
Mexico Acapulco on the Pacific coast, and there were a

(37:55):
couple of other cities. They were like transit points in
what is called the galleon trade, because for almost four
hundred years, Spain dominated the Philippines and they the Spanish
Philippines was the trading hub for the Far East. And

(38:15):
then what would happen was Spanish galleons would cross the
Pacific and they would land in Acapulco or other western ports.
Then the goods would be taken overland to the Gulf
coast of Mexico and then sent to Spain or a
lot of the goods stayed in Mexico and were used

(38:36):
by the wealthy or whatever, you know, some luxury goods
or whatever. So there was a lot of piracy in
the Pacific. The Pacific coast, there are some islands where
pirates can hide and you know, stash their loot. There
are a lot of stories about pirate treasures on the
west coast of Mexico along the islands, even in southern California.

(38:58):
There are some islands off off of southern California. They're
China islands that people think that pirates have, you know,
stored their treasure. But anyway, back to Guadalajara. Okay, so
this pirate ransacked, you know, took over all of these
galleons and stuff like that. He amassed a fortune, and
then he decided to become legitimate, right, and so he

(39:23):
moved to Guadalajara, bought an ice house, you know, married
a beautiful woman, had kids and everything. But he still
had tons of loot from his pirate times. But like
a lot of people who have stashed loot in Mexico,
and there are a lot of there's a lot of

(39:44):
undiscovered treasure in Mexico because of bandit tree and Indian
raids and things like that, people tended to throughout Mexico's history,
they tended to bury their treasure. They're the valuables and
stuff that they wouldn't get robbed. And this is a

(40:04):
typical story of what happens when you die, and you
don't tell anybody where you put your loot. So this
pirate died and he didn't tell his family. His family
didn't know he was a pirate first of all. That
came out later. So he stashed his lout somewhere in
several places. And according to the story, if you go

(40:29):
to the Santa Paula Cemetery in Guadalajara and you go
to this pirate's tomb and you pray the rosary nine
times at midnight, if you do that, and if you
are of pure heart and if your soul is pure,

(40:50):
the pirate's ghost will come out of the tomb and
will give you all of the coordinates to wear. All
of his treasure are buried. So you have people going
to that cemetery believing in this and saying the Rosary
over this tomb, you know, nine times at midnight, hoping

(41:13):
to see this ghost. So that's another interesting thing that
you can see at this place, because there are people
who really take it to heart and believe in this,
and they'll go and do it. And hey, you know,
I'm sure if you talk to one of these people
and say why are you doing this, they probably say
something like, hey, It's worth a shot, isn't it. You know, hey,

(41:37):
you could become a multi millionaire. You know, treasure chests
of gold. Yeah, I'll stand over this guy's tomb and
say the Rosary nine times at midnight. Yeah, why not.
So that's a big story there. Then the other story
that I wanted to talk about, that's big There is
the story of a little boy named Santiago, who, like

(41:59):
not Cheeto, he met an untimely death. But in Santiago's case,
it was very a very painful way to go. He
got very sick. This little boy got very sick, and
then he went to the hospital, the Belein Hospital, which
was on the site of the cemetery before there was

(42:21):
a cemetery. That's why it's called the pain because the
hospital was called Belin before, and that in Spanish is Bethlehem,
you know, the city of Bethlehem in the middle as
of Belein, and that's also attached to the Virgin Mary.
So you can have like girls in Mexico, they they

(42:44):
could be named Maria, but then there's something else. Maria Magdelena,
Maria Belen is another you know, Mary of Bethlehem. So
there are girls, you know that have that there could
be someone you may know who's mex An American, a
woman named Blein, and that's where it comes from. So anyway,

(43:06):
so this Berlin hospital, the little boy was in there
for this mysterious ailment, and some people think it could
be just it could have just been childhood cancer. So
his eating weight, his body was very painful. And one
day his parents came to see him and he was
near death, and they brought his little saints that he

(43:28):
had in his bedroom from his house. And then the
little boy took the saints and threw them up the wall,
up against the wall and broke them and said something like, well,
you know, why is God doing this to me? I
hope God gets sick like me, because then there will
be nobody to cure him. And so he was being

(43:49):
defiant and he was being sacrilegious in all of this stuff,
this little boy. And then the next day they found
him outside the Hull hospital and he had hung himself
with bed sheets. So he committed suicide. And supposedly to
this day, and this is a lot older, so I

(44:12):
think this happened like two hundred years ago, because it
was before there was a cemetery there. And to this day.
The little boy is a very angry ghost that's haunting
this cemetery. But some people think that this story didn't
even really happen, and it's a story that's told to

(44:34):
little kids to make them pious, you know, so that
they don't, you know, throw their saints up against the
wall and say bad things about God, you know, because
this is what's gonna happen to you. You're gonna kill
yourself and then your ghosts is gonna be angry and
you're never gonna have rest. But some people claim they've

(44:55):
seen the ghosts, they've heard the ghosts that scared them
and stuff. This angry little boy come up to them
and starts yelling at him and arguing with them and stuff.
So true, not true, I don't know, But it's part
of the cemetery.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
You know, it's the lore there, so it's easy to
tell them apart. One wants chocolate, one just yells.

Speaker 7 (45:17):
Yeah, yeah, I guess right. And there they were about
the same age.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
See, oh, I don't know. Did he want food? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (45:29):
Yeah? And little Santiago doesn't get toys at his you know,
but he he doesn't his graveside, isn't there I don't
believe because he died when he was in the hospital.
You know, he well actually on the tree outside which
is part of the cemetery, you know, so his spirit
is still there in that you know place, so there's

(45:52):
no place to like go and leave him anything. So
he's just kind of like detached.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
But where he was buried them.

Speaker 7 (46:01):
Or no, I don't there's nothing that says where he
was buried, But some people say it's a made up story.
But then other people claim they've seen him. They've seen
an argumentative little boy, you know, who comes up to
them and stuff there. So I don't know. But then

(46:21):
you know, we can go into that whole area of well,
are people seeing what they want to see or they
creating a tupla?

Speaker 1 (46:29):
You know?

Speaker 8 (46:30):
Is that what it's called tupa tulpa? Tulpa Okay, I
say tupla yeah, okay, tulpa right, the Tibetan thing right
where you create a thought form and it comes to life, right, okay?
So is it that are we creating tulpas?

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Is that?

Speaker 7 (46:53):
Is it real energy?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (46:56):
You know? What is it? We don't know, but there
people have had sightings of all the things that I've
talked about, you know. But another area that comes to
mind is the Mexico City metro. Now that's a wild place.
I don't know, have you ever been down there.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
I was unaware that Mexico had subways, so nope, never
been there.

Speaker 7 (47:20):
Well, this Mexico, Mexico City, depending on who you talk to,
it has like twenty million people, and so it's the
subway system is excellent. It costs a nickel basically our
in our currency, five cents, about five or six cents
to go anywhere you really want to in the city.
There are all of these different lines. They started building

(47:44):
it in nineteen sixty nine and I think there are
like two hundred different stations now and there are a
lot of different things going on down in that subway. Okay,
Like there's a story of a little girl who throw
the little girl with the red ball, and I believe

(48:06):
she appears at the subway station that's closest to the airport. Okay,
so if you're going to the airport, that's the station
you get off at, and she's there, supposedly, And there
are two versions of the story. She has a red
ball in the both versions, and she'll throw the red

(48:27):
ball at you, and when you go and pick it
up and give it to her, her legs disappear, and
then she disappears, laughing at you. Okay, that's one story.
But then the other more horrific story is she throws
the red ball at you and you pick it up

(48:47):
and it's the little girl's head. Now, where this came
from is supposedly this little girl fell onto the tracks
and was decapitated, but no people have tried to verify that,
and it's just a rumor. Okay. So yeah, that's one

(49:09):
story that you have a lot of people talking about.
Another story is the gigantic rats that are supposedly down
in certain parts of this subway system.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
Aren't those cappy barras?

Speaker 7 (49:26):
Yeah, well bigger than that. They've been as big as pigs.
That's what supposedly. Okay, And you know here there are
lots of rumors around all of this stuff. Some people
believe that there's a rat man. I believe at the
Pinos Suarez station, that there's a rat man. That it's

(49:47):
somebody like the dog man that everybody loves in America, right,
dog Man, this dog man that every paranormal show. Well,
there's a rat man. So it's a guy who it's
a rat that's like five tall, six feet tall, whatever.
But there are some pretty big rats, you know, like
regular size, but you know, a little bit bigger. But

(50:09):
some people have said that there are rats as big
as pigs. And then there's that story of the rat man,
and the ratman supposedly snatches kids. Okay. Once again, could
be a cautionary tale. Kids stay with your parents or
else the rat man will get you. But there were
supposedly in the eighties, I think a little girl was

(50:35):
attacked by one of these gigantic rats and died. So
I don't know. There could be some truth to that story,
but yeah, kids stay next to your parents, that's the
message I think. Then there's another story of a vampire

(50:56):
that lives in the tunnels, okay, and it's interesting where
this vampire supposedly lives. Okay, there's a station called Barranca
de muerto and that means the gully of the dead,

(51:17):
the gully or ditch or ravine. Ravine is probably the
better word, barranca, Barranca de morto. And the reason why
that station is called that is because when they were
digging the tunnels for that you know, near that station,
they came upon a mass grave. There were hundreds of bodies,

(51:38):
hundreds of you know, remains, different remains found, and the
mass grave dated back to the Mexican Revolution, which happened
in the early part of the twentieth century, like nineteen fifteen,
you know, around that time. So they call this place
the Barranca Demerto, the Revine of Death station. So with

(52:02):
a name like that, come on, you know, what are
you gonna You're not gonna go through there without thinking
that you're gonna see something, right, So, there was supposedly
a guy who accidentally fell asleep, because that's a terminal
station for one of the lines. So the trains stopped

(52:25):
for the evening. I think they end at midnight or
something around there. Really late, the train stopped and there
was a guy who fell asleep and he woke up,
and it must have been like two in the morning
or something, and so he was like, oh my gosh,
I fell asleep, and now I can't you know, I've
got to get out of this train car. So he

(52:47):
got out and went into the tunnel and he saw
two people fighting and then he saw one person bite
the neck of another. The other guy who was fighting
and tried to suck the blood out of the guy.
So he the man who was in you know, who

(53:08):
fell asleep. He ran out and got up to the surfers,
and they went to a police station and told them
about this vampire. They kind of laughed at him, but
they went down there anyway to see what was going
on because they thought it could have been a legitimate
fight and somebody could be really hurt, right, So then

(53:29):
they went down there and the guy pointed to exactly
where he saw the fight. There was no evidence that
there was any dust that was you know, kicked up
or anything. It was just like nothing had happened where
that supposed vampire sucked the blood out of that guy.

(53:50):
So people just assumed that these were ghostly apparitions, you know,
and probably because of you know, this mass grave that
was there. So that's another story, you know, another vampire story.
But there's another there's a story of a witch who

(54:11):
lives down in the tunnels too, and it's at the
Garribaldi station. Now, if people who know Italian history know
that Giuseppe Garibaldi was the unifier of Italy in the
nineteenth century. Okay, his son went to Mexico. So Giuseppe

(54:31):
gaer Robaldi, the second is who this metro station is
named after. He was a hero in the Mexican Revolution.
So I guess he grew up with his dad, you know,
seeing his dad, you know, fight for unification of Italy.
So he said, I'm going to go and participate in

(54:52):
this revolution. So anyway, that's a little historical footnote. But
at this Garibaldi's station, there was in order to build it,
they demolished some old homes, right and so one of
the old homes supposedly belonged to a very wealthy family

(55:13):
in the eighteen hundred sometime, and there was supposedly a
daughter of that family who was kind of a party
going girl, and you know, she wasn't very virtuous, and
she shamed her family and all of this stuff. And

(55:34):
people believe that when she died, she was haunting that house.
And then when the house was demolished, she went underground
and was haunting the tunnels, you know, at the Garibaldi station.
And it was a curse that was put on her

(55:57):
for being such a bad girl, you know, when you
know she was alive, and so people call her La
Bruja de la Stasio Garibaldi. So people have seen this
woman in black levitating and the multiple eyewitnesses of that happening.

(56:21):
So I don't know, believe it if you want. But
the last ghost story that I want to talk about,
I know we're kind of running short on time, But
the last ghost story down in those tunnels in the
metro or the metro system has to do with people
seeing ancient Aztecs, ancient people who And one thing about

(56:50):
this is that the Aztec language is spoken by more
people now than it was back five hundred years ago.
There are over a million people of people who speak Nawak,
which was the language of the Aztecs and the lingua
franca of the Aztec Empire. There are more people that

(57:12):
speak it now than you know, way back then. So
these ghosts that people are encountering in the subway system,
of these these ancient Aztec ghosts, they're speaking the old
language that some people today can still understand. There are
people who are taking that metro who can communicate with

(57:35):
these ghosts who are using this this indigenous language. And
so sometimes these these apparitions appear dressed like common people.
And one ghost that keeps on coming back he's dressed

(57:56):
as a Jaguar Knight, and that was a division of
the Aztec military. So the Jaguar Knights, they were like
the special forces whatever, the Navy seals, you know, they
were the special ops people. So there's a story about
people encountering this guy dressed up like that, and usually

(58:20):
these ghosts are confused and they're like, where am I,
what happened? What is this place? My house used to
be here, you know. In the Jaguar Knight, according to
multiple people, he's trying to get back to his regiment
because he was in the middle of a battle against

(58:41):
the TLAs Colins or whatever, and he's trying to get
back and in every story he ends up crying because
he's so confused and people are telling him, no, this
is that time is gone, you know, you're in the
twenty first century or what, and he was like, what

(59:01):
do you people do to this place? This is terrible?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
What is this?

Speaker 7 (59:06):
And then he starts crying, you know, and gets angry
and stuff. And with the other apparitions too, there's confusion
like where am I, what happened to? What happened to
my home? And so a lot of people believe that
these are legitimate ghosts that go back five six hundred years.

(59:27):
It's all fascinating to me, you know, and I've ridden
that subway quite quite a few times. In nineteen ninety five,
I worked in Mexico City for a big American company
and the Metro is used by millions, I think four
million people a day, so there are a lot of

(59:50):
eyeballs down there for you know, potential viewing of all
of these spectral things, you know, these anomalies and paranormal occurrences.
I find it all very interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
So let me ask you about the the Aztec guys,
the Jaguar guy. Do you think that he's a ghost
or is it possible of some kind of like time slip.

Speaker 7 (01:00:19):
You know what, I wouldn't be surprised a time slip.
That's a good explanation, that really is so, you know,
or of a thinning of the veil between the two worlds,
because Mexico City has always been known for that and
they they call it the belly button of the world.

(01:00:40):
That's what the ancients used to call it, because that's
it was like a place of connection to the life force,
and so there could be, yeah, a thinning of the
veil between worlds and it could be yeah, time slip.
So yeah, that's a that's as good enough and explanation

(01:01:02):
asn't any other.

Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
Yeah, absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
I was thinking earlier when when you were chatting about
one of the previous topics and stuff, I was like, Man,
I wish you had a podcast that I could listen to,
and because there's I have so many questions, and I mean,
this is absolutely fascinating because you know, you don't I mean,
I don't hear a lot of these stories, you know,
the Mexican culture, the stories, the history and stuff. We

(01:01:30):
don't have all that here, and you know it's not
around us, you know, as much as the other history
and stories and stuff are. And I find this stuff
absolutely fascinating. So I'm gonna have to start listening to
your show and then have you back when I have
more direct questions, because I have too many for you
to try and answer in this one little podcast here,

(01:01:51):
So tell us everybody what your podcast. Well, before we
get to that, hangout one second. If you guys have
a specific question Forrobert here, throw it in the comments
before we.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Know what.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Smellian full of fuzz, I don't know what that has
to do with anything Lee, but it was definitely the
comment that popped up over there. Anyway, you guys have
any questions or comments, throw them in the comments section
right here and we will get to them before we
wrap things up here on today's show, Robert, you have

(01:02:28):
several books out. Before we get to the books, tell
us about your podcast where people can listen to it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:34):
All about that, Well, like you said, I've been doing
this since early twenty sixteen, so I have lots of
stuff out there. I have four hundred and twenty I
think full length shows, and then I have like twelve
hundred shorts and you can go see those at YouTube
Mexico wan explained. And then I don't have any paywalls

(01:02:58):
on my website Mexican Go unexplained dot com. You can
go there and read free transcripts of the shows, so
if you prefer to read, you can go there. And
I have all the references and related materials at the website,
so you can go there and if you want to

(01:03:19):
read more, you know, you can look at the bottom
of the transcript. I have references for everything. So that's
the main place really, Mexico and Explained dot Com. YouTube
I'm on all the platforms, speaker, you know all of that.
I you know, Apple, the Apple Store, whatever, and it's
all free. So yeah, And I like connecting with the

(01:03:42):
listeners and the viewers because I get a lot of
material from people. The border is very fluid, and there
are a lot of people in the United States who
may have spent part of their childhoods in Mexico or
at least you know, summers with Grandma and Wahaka, and
they learned about a creature that lived outside of town

(01:04:03):
or whatever. I want to hear about that stuff and
I want to investigate it, and I'm down in Mexico
all the time. So yeah, please hit me up. Contact me.
It's my right. Also as a teacher, you know, I'm
the people call me professor, and I'm not a professor.
They call me doctor biddo. I don't have a PhD.

(01:04:24):
But in my role, I have the right to learn too.
So I love learning and I love hearing from people.
So yeah, please contact me.

Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
Awesome, very cool.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
The link for the YouTube channel and your website are
in the show notes for anybody quick access. You can
go right off of this link whatever platform you're watching
or listening on. You can grab them there, and you
also have several books. I will pull them up so that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
You can go in order.

Speaker 8 (01:04:50):
Here.

Speaker 7 (01:04:52):
Yeah, Mexican Monsters. That's the most popular book. That was
my second book that I wrote. And then the first
book is Mexico Unexplained. That's kind of like a compendium
of like a little bit of this, a little bit
of that, that came out in twenty seventeen. And then
I have the religious book Mexican Miracles, and that goes

(01:05:14):
into some indigenous stuff. It's mostly like modern day things,
but a lot of the modern day miracles and pilgrimage
sizes have you know, indigenous origins to them. And then
my fourth book is coming out next month and it's
called Mexico's Hidden History Untold Stories that shaped a nation,

(01:05:39):
and I talk about little obscure things in Mexico's history
that most people don't know about that are very important
and some of the players too that you may have
never heard about that played a huge roles in the
country's history. So that is I'm still in the I'm

(01:06:02):
in the final process of editing it. It should be
in the publisher's hands in like a week or two
and then it should be out for sale in mid November,
late November.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (01:06:17):
You will have to let me know and we'll have
you back on and talk all about that and promote
it and stuff once it's out and stuff. But and
the link, the Amazon link for your books is in
the show notes as well for easy access. Everybody can
go and grab that and check it out. Unfortunately, there's
just a lot of belly button fuzz and lint and
stuff over here, now that you brought that up, and
that's all we got.

Speaker 6 (01:06:36):
Okay, all right, they got they got a little sidetracked
on that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
I do like this comment though.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Some is infra sound, and I'm not sure what that
is pertaining to, but I'm I'm looking at like the
subway system, and I'm wondering if some of that, because
infra sound can mess with your head and and tunnels
the rumbling and being this whole conduit of you know,
sound and stuff. I wonder if any of that has

(01:07:05):
to do with like hallucinations or any of that stuff,
that'd be kind of interesting as well. Yeah, very cool, Yes, indeed,
there you go. So that was that was what that
comment was about. So awesome, great minds think alike. All right, well, awesome, man,
I thank you so much your I love guests that
come on and I learned something and not that I
knew well whole heck of a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:07:26):
About Mexico to begin with.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
But I love facts and dates and history and stuff
like that, so I love I love learning things, and
that's the best part of the show.

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
So I really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
And you're taking the time to come on, and I
definitely look forward to I'm gonna have to listen to
your show and then have you back on with more
direct questions of things that we need to cover.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
So yeah, that sounds great, and thanks for having me
on again, and I look forward to the next time.
It's been a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Absolutely, I have I have one more question for you
off air real quick, hang to after the show and
I will awesome. Thank you so much for coming on,
and hopefully everyone can check out your podcast and your
books and learn more about the history, legends, folklore and
Mexico unexplained.

Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
Awesome, all right, man, you take care.

Speaker 7 (01:08:20):
Thanks by.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
All right, guys, that is our show for this week.
Thank you so much for tuning in. Make sure you like,
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I'm sure you guys will learn a lot more information
from them. Also, while you're online and watching this show,

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(01:09:05):
remember we are all part of the paranormal spectrum. Take care,
be well, and I'll see you next week.

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Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
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