Paranormal Spectrum #77 Our Ghost Haunting History with guest Nick Mulae

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Good morning everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of
the Paranormal Spectrum here on the Untold Radio Network. I
am your host, Barnaby Joes from Cryptids Anomalies and the
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it with my guest today. All right, guys, my guest

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is somebody that I've seen at many conventions over the
past couple of years, and I don't know that much
about so I'm really excited personally to get a chance
to finally talk to him one on one. Here, my
guest is Nick Mulay. He is a paranormal investigator for
over twenty years, since he was twelve years old, He's
investigated numerous haunted locations included Waverly Hills Sanitorium, Bachelor's Grove Cemetery,

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Joliet Prison, and the Mansfield Reformatory, to name a few.
He has also investigated cryptids, including Bigfoot in Central Illinois,
the Beast of Bray Road in Elkorn, Wisconsin, the Mothman
in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, and Bessie of Lake Erie,
as well as the melon Heads of Kirtland, Ohio. Nick
has been a member of the Midnight Paranormal Society from

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twenty eleven until two thousand and nineteen. Nick formed his
own paranormal group in twenty eighteen, called the Illinois Paranormal Force,
which operated several smaller paranormal, UFO, cryptid and history groups
that worked and investigated together in twenty twenty one, he
joined the Things Ghost Society and has been a member

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ever since and runs his own chapter in the state
of Illinois. Nick is a horror film director and contributed
to a book and narrates scary audio stories. When it
gets closer to October, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Nick
to the show.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
Nick.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Awesome, thanks for being here.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Thank you for having me on. Appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
I'm looking forward to this man. Like I said, for
the show, I've seen you at so many events. We've
we've chatted a little bit, but I'm excited to dig
into this and learn all about you because you are
You're a fascinating individual and just all over the place
and just looking into the bio here, I mean, there's
there's a lot going on. So how did you get
started into all this?

Speaker 6 (06:20):
So the way how I got started with it, it
was a little bit different compared to like a lot
like what a lot of other investigators would tell you,
Like a lot of times you hear it's because it
was either of a childhood experience or something like that.
That wasn't the case for me. It was actually more
of curiosity that brought me into it and you know,

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it's even at a very young age, before I even
turned twelve. There were kind of origins to my interest
in the paranormal genre as well, Like growing up in
the nineties, obviously, you know, we used I'm still surprised
to this day our parents got to let us watch
this because there was some pretty violent, disturbing episodes, but
they got to let us watch The X Files what

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you know. At that time, you know, it was still
relatively brand new and of course very popular. And that
also introduced me to the horror genre because I by
the time I was about six or seven years old,
I was already starting to be watching horror movies on
a regular basis, and it was like that was the
real kind of start, and I worked my way up

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and then a few years later, starting around the early
two thousands, I was someone exposed to like my first
paranormal show. But at that time, I didn't really believe
much into it. I just thought it was just like,
I don't know, if you remember the old show Scariest
Places on Earth? Do you remember that one? Yeah, so
we want We used to watch it, you know, during

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you know, during that time, but at that time, I
didn't really believe much into it. We just thought that
was just it would air around the Halloween season. We
just saw it as our typical Halloween show. But it
really wasn't, like I said, until a few years later
when I was twelve and typical team, you know, typical preteen.
In two thousand and five, I'm just running through the channel,

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see what's on television, and all of a sudden, I
come across the show that's called Most Haunted on the
Travel Channel. And this was of course this was also
back when the Travel Channel used to only have like
paranormal shows on Friday nights, not like how they did
it now, and definitely before it Goes Adventures took over.
So yeah, I come across the show it's called Most

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Haunt I'm like, what is that? That sounds really interesting?
So I started, I sat down and I began watching.
Fact I even still somewhat remember I still remember the
episode that I watched. I just can't remember exactly what
location it was, you know, in the UK, but I
could still see part like images of it. I've been
looking for it ever since. But it's like as soon

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after I started watching it, I just got hooked on
these different shows about the paranormal stuff, and it just
it roomy and completely and it just became not just
a fascination but just became an obsession for myself.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
That's interesting, you know, Like like you said, growing up
in the nineties and stuff, I think that we're kind
of around the same time there. There wasn't I didn't
have cable for one, so until I moved out on
my own, I didn't have any of the shows to
watch or anything like that. But when I did again
right around Halloween, there was always these shows, you know,
like ghost Hunters was big then later on and Expedition

(09:31):
No wait, what was it? Destination Truth was, Yeah, and
that's that's what got me into the cryptids and all
that stuff because it wasn't the shows we were like
an hour long, but they were half hour each. So
he would go somewhere, Josh Gates would go, like to
a paranormal location, and he would go to a cryptid
location in each episode, and I that's that's where I

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got my whole love of all that stuff and got
hooked on it. But yeah, you're right that that kind
of is a little bit more of a different startup,
you know, like coming into it from that aspect, a
lot of not many people have those shows as their
lead in to this stuff.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Right, and especially a lot of the shows that they
used to air, which, by the way, I'm very blessed
to say this, but a lot of the old because
they didn't just show most haunted back then, they would
also show like these one time documentaries, and many of
them were made years before, like two thousand, like some
of these were from the late in the mid to
late nineties. So well, I'm very happy. This is why

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I'm saying a blast say. There is actually a YouTube
channel out there that I don't know who the person
is that runs it, but he goes by the YouTube name.
They're here. If you do. If you do decide to
look it up, make sure you type that in, but
also type in paranormal as well, because there's probably other
YouTube channels by that name. And this guy, whoever he is,

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he has uploaded several old paranormal documentaries and shows from
like the late eighties, nineties, and early two thousands. In fact,
the first time that he uploaded anything was the like
he almost uploaded every like every episode of Scariest Places
on Earth. And I even got to myself, I I
literally had a comment on him to one of his

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videos one time. I said, look, I don't know who
you are, but whoever, but whoever you are, you are
a legend right now because some of the stuff has
not been seen by any of us for like twenty
maybe almost thirty years now. So in my opinion, his
YouTube channel it's literally become the Paranormal Archives channel. I've

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never seen anyone else upload as many videos as he's done.
He still is to this day. He just uploaded another
one just yesterday, so he's got he's got a I
guess he's really done a lot of taping. He's got
a lot of takes.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Well, that was that was back in the day. You know,
like I'm big into pro wrestling and stuff, and you know,
that's that's how people got the stuff before the Internet.
There was this tape trade, right, so all these these
people would would vhs record for you know, the younger
viewers that don't know what that even is, but you know,
you pop up vhs in and record all these episodes

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and then you would trade them so other people could
watch them and stuff. And it's amazing how a lot
of that stuff is is filtering onto YouTube now. And
you're getting to watch all these old commercials and television
shows and stuff that you know, you you remember growing
up and thought that they've completely disappeared, and there's these
people that still have them and have saved them.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
I couldn't believe. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I
mean I actually even got even a little emotional over it.
Not just because of the nostalgia. It was just the
fact that I literally thought, and anybody else that watched
that stuff back and you know, back then, I literally
thought we were never going to see this again because
they even back then, they never a lot of these
documentaries and shows. They never were you know, released frequently

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on VHS or DVD at that time. They were just
literally made to be television specials. And your only access
to it at that time was you would have had
a tape and recorded on a separate VHS tape. That
would be the only way you'd ever have it. So again,
that's why I'm saying, whoever this guy is, he really
has done, is he really did his homework, because I

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honestly believe that if not for what he's recorded, I
think a lot of this would have truly been lost
to time. We would have never even known about this,
Like that really would have shown because like, especially now
that we have newer and younger generations of paranormal investigators
basically joining our ranks, you're gonna they're gonna start wondering sometimes,

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you know, like how some of them are gonna start knowing,
like how exactly did this all get started? Well, now
that we got these YouTubers, like, there's also another YouTube
I can't remember what his name, his YouTube name is,
but he's been doing the same thing. So because of this,
you know, now we have an option to show that,
and I know it's not necessarily something you're opposed to.

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I've even downloaded some of the videos myself just so
I could have a safe copy of it. Not necessarily
to upload it, because yes, you still have to worry
about copyright, but just knowing how sometimes how strict YouTube
can be and can make it leads some of these videos,
and I actually was able to save quite a couple
of them from a different YouTuber before I discovered this one.

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He uploaded like maybe a dozen old documentaries, again from
the late nineties early two thousands, some of which I'd
never even seen. There was even one that I found
I never even knew about that there was even one
paranormal documentary that was once aired on HGTV. I couldn't
believe it out of all the channels. And I saved

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them because a few months afterwards the videos were deleted.
But I still have them though, so thank God for downloading.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Absolutely, So, you seem to have watched all these documentaries.
You're quite up on all the old stuff. We talk
about this when we discuss like the cryptid side of
the paranormal and all that. You know, when you look
back at some of the older books and documentaries and
stuff about you know, Bigfoot, the Yeti, and that they

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don't tend to talk about them as what if right,
They talk about the Yeti as existing, like this is
how it lives, this is where it lives, and all
that stuff. So looking at the paranormal side of this,
you know, we've all seen ghost Hunters, and you mentioned
Ghost Adventures and some of the other modern shows that
most people are familiar with. Now, what is your opinion

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How has it changed from these old documentaries to how
things are looked at today, Because now everything is so
sensationalized and scary and it has to be a demon
and it has to be all this. What is the
comparison between the stuff that you're watching off of YouTube,
these older eighties nineties videos to today.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
So comparing them to what we have today. It definitely
has changed over the last twenty years, because, like I said,
when I got started, it wasn't about like, you know,
trying to get best evidence or anything like that. The
format really has changed, I think more than anything else,
because when you watch a lot of the older shows,
even the first couple seasons of Ghost Hunters and Ghost

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Adventures before it became the way it's become now. Unfortunately, again,
it wasn't just about it wasn't about fighting, you know,
finding the best evidence. It was just going out see
if they can capture anything, and that was it. But
then there were also other shows out there, like one
of my favorite shows and this Funny Enough I had.

(16:43):
This was one of the some of the videos I
downloaded because this one really got me into it. It
wasn't like a full series like some of these others,
but it still lasted for at least probably a dozen episodes.
I think it was supposed to be more of a
mini series than an actual like long lived paranormal series.
I don't know if you ever remember with that show,
and it was on the Travel Channel too, called The
Haunted Hotels. Do you remember that one or.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
What I just saw that on TV the other day
or rerun of it.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
Oh, that's surprising. I honestly didn't think they'd be running
it anymore. But this was again from the early two thousands,
so it's one of the older ones. And what I
liked about that show in particular was, first off, there
were no paranormal investigations at all to begin with. It
was just interviewing the owners, historians, eyewitnesses, employees, innkeepers, just

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sitting and just telling their stories like whether they had
a paranormal encounter of their own, or if they knew somebody,
or if they heard about like some guests, or that
they were just here to talk about the history or
the story in general. And it you know, being accompanied
by these really well done, like you know, kind of

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video segments like where they have like you know, the
special effects, like you have a ghost walking around while
the story is being told, and it just there's definitely
something far more spooky or and more special about those
ones because it's just to them, it's just for me,
it's they're just sitting around telling a ghost story. And
I think that's what I really like about the older

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shows is that it wasn't, like I said, it wasn't
about trying to say that everything's a demon or trying
to say, oh I got this, or like did you
hear that? It was just sitting around and telling stories.
That's what I really love about the older shows.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
That's fascinating. You know, the whole history of the paranormal
in general has come a long way because people don't realize,
you know, like again, a lot of people think that
it kind of you know, shot off from ghost Hunters,
you know, when that's when it really took off, this
paranormal investigating and stuff and around that time frame. But
if you look back, I mean, there's the whole Renaissance

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era of doing the seances and all of that time.
And this is throughout history. There have been and highs
and lows of you know, the real interest in the paranormal.
It was very popular back in the day. You know,
you'd have mediums and stuff and seances and you go
to these parlors, and so there's this such a rich

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history there.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
It is in fact I've done my research because I've
always been kind of curious of how far our history
involving the field really goes back. And it really, you know,
although some parts of a due date back centuries, they
say that the the time that it really started really
began with a paranormal group, not surprisingly in the UK.

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I don't know if you ever heard of the Ghost
Club before. Have you ever heard of that group? The
Ghost Club, believe it or not, is the oldest operating
paranormal group, not just in the UK, but in the world.
It's still in operation. To the state, it's going to
sound hard to believe it was founded in eighteen sixty two,

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but its origins, however, do date back to a few
years prior in eighteen fifty five. So, and some of
the most well known like British British citizens, like even
if they were truly paranormal investuers, like some of the
most well known British icons you're out the history of

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the UK throughout the late eighteen and early nineteen hundreds
were also members of the Ghost Club. So from what
I can remember hearing was when they first when they
first founded this group. I mean, obviously it was a
lot more different than what we are today. The Ghost
Club was kind of more of a secretive type of
like kind of kind of like a fraternity group. Men

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and women were both allowed to join the group, you know,
not really much of a huge paranormal element to them
compared to, like again, like what we are today. So
I think it's probably stated to say that paranormal investors
of the last fifty to one hundred plus years, as
well as invest years who have recently passed in US
invest gears today, probably safe to say that we're pretty

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much direct and all around, not just us here in
the UK, all around in the world. I think it's
pretty much safe to say that world pretty much descendants
of these original investigators, because there's no doubt in my
mind that when they started this group, they probably didn't
think it was gonna go anywhere, like, because it was
something that was never truly done before. So obviously whatever

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they did during their early days, you know, they were
obviously proven wrong. And whether we know about the Ghost
Club or not, we've continued their legacy over one hundred
almost one hundred and seventy, well pretty much one hundred
and seventy years later, and I expect ourselves to even
after when we're gone, that it's gonna get to me
on for the next one hundred and seventy years.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
Absolutely, absolutely, there's so much, so much history that I mean,
like you talk about that, but but going back before that,
you know, there's there's and I haven't dug that far
into this, but there's a king king and a castle
or something, and that was like the first ghost investigation ever.
Was they had this weird occurrence in his castle and

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he he brought in these people to try and you know,
look into it and see what was going on. And
I'm pretty sure that goes back to the first recorded
paranormal investigation of of anything.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
So I think so too. There was I'm trying to
look up his name right now. There was. It's it's
been it's been a long time since I've looked it up.
But there Although again the Ghost Club was really the
kind of the first group that really started. I've done
even again, even further research back to see if there was,
if there was anything else prior to like where we

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are today. Yeah, and I did. I did uncover two things,
one of which is actually very surprising because it was
here here in the US. It's now believed that and
I honestly really believed this myself, that it's believed that
even possibly one of our founding fathers may have actually

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been a paranormal investigator, and that undoubtedly would have to
be Benjamin Franklin, because unlike the other Founding fathers, you know,
he was very well ahead of his time. He was
he was a very spiritual I know for a fact
that he was a spiritualist. He definitely believed in the afterlife.
So in my personal opinion, I would say he was

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probably America's very first paranormal investigator, which I don't know
how they would have I mean, I know it was
a century after the Salem witch Trials, so I'm not
sure how people probably would have looked at it back then.
I'm sure would have still been kind of can still
consider tabooed, but no longer to the point where they
were executing people. But I would consider him to be

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America's first, but the earliest investigator I've uncovered, and again
this is the one I can't find the name of.
He was from Europe as well, but this time, however,
he was not He was not in the UK. He
was actually in what is now modern day Sweden. So
having us having someone by from Sweden. I mean that

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kind of almost makes me think, well, people always think
again that it was the UK that started. But now
upon this further uh research, Oh, I actually no, I
take it back. I found who he is. Funny enough,
his last name even resembles part of the country's name
manned by the name of Emmanuel Swedenborg. But you'll know this.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
You don't know this, but I told you we were
just live today. This is a pre recorded show for
people watching now. I just had Rob Robert Gavin on
the show and the whole episode was about Emmanuel Swedenburg.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
Oh my god. Well, and I and I did my
research on who he was, and he was obviously a
science you know, even back then. He was a scientist
back in the UH back in the seventh well yeah,
back in the seventeen hundreds. And this was even before
the United States was ever I mean, he died before
even the founding of America was ever born. But it

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was said through a lot throughout a lot of his
career that yeah, he was he was mainly a polymath, scientist, engineer, astronomer,
and a few other things. But he still had a
spiritualistic side to it. So he's he's as of right now,
he's the old the earliest investigator I've ever earned, like
person I've ever covered. Now, I would pretty much say
that he's pretty much like what the modern day paranormal

(25:32):
investigator is. And again, out of all places from one
of the uh Scandinavian countries, Sweden.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yeah, that's that's ironic that that that this is this
has come back around to that again. But uh yeah,
that was a whole whole discussion. I just had like
about an hour before recording this, So as soon as
you brought up Sweden, I'm like, oh no, we're going back.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
This is.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
Evolved back into Swedenburg oh man. But yeah, no, that's
that's that's absolutely fascinating because I think there's you know,
we talk about looking back at the first paranormal investigators,
but when you you talk about the paranormal in general,
I mean you look at folklore and mythology and stuff,

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this is you know, maybe not investigated, but cultures all
over the world talk about spirits and souls and and
that going back to you know, written history. And I
think that's fascinating because it's it's not something that we've
just discovered. It's something that's been written about and studied
and stuff for you know, since the dawn of you know,

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written word, I guess or.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Or like literally for centuries, no doubt. And you know,
again a lot of people would be surprised when they
really trace back to kind of like what I would
consider kind of like our paranormal ancestry, like how it
all really started, and it's just incredible, like it really,
you know, I'm still destined to see, you know, how

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further back I can go in fact, what I've actually done.
I haven't made this like a public thing yet, at
least not yet, but you know, understandably, I know just
recently that there was a I know that recently there
was like a well known bigfoot hunter. I can't remember
what her name was, but I know she sadly, she

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recently passed away. She was she was she was ninety
one years old, however, but still she was. She was
a big act of research bigfoot hunter. But you know, obviously,
even us paranormal invescuers, because we're all humanis at the end,
we all got to go at some point. So knowing

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the fact that there's been many generations of us, whether
it's in the paranormal or cryptid field. And like I said,
going back to Emmanuel Swedenborg's days, that it inspired me
a putting because I thought to myself, you know, no
one's ever truly made like cause, you know, like for example,
when you go to certain areas or like certain like

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buildings or whatever, or towns or cities, there's always a
plaque that dedicates the founders of the you know, the
people that built it, and also for all those who've
lived there throughout the decades, if not centuries. And I
thought to myself, you know, no one's ever truly made
a paranormal memorial like to remember our paranormal ancestors. And

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so that's something that I put together, and it's not again,
I haven't made like an official one just yet. Like
if I ever make one, it's understandably just going to
be like an online one, because I doubt I could
ever really put an actual plaque and exactly where I
would put it, I would have no clue. So that's
why I'd rather do an online but it would it

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would essentially honor again not only just the ancestors, but also,
like I said, all of the investigators who have recently
passed to In fact, as of right now on my
phone on my notes section, I have literally an entire
list of like, not all of them, I know that
for a fact, but a good majority of all the

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investigators throughout you know, the last almost two hundred, over
two hundred and fifty years, you know who have up
till today. You know, so everybody who has passed. And
that's basically my way of hottering every single one of them.
So until I make something like this for our lives,
that is probably the closest I've ever made as far
as a paranormal memorial has been created.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
That's really cool. That's really cool. That's That's completely not
where I thought you were going with that whole lead
up there. I was gonna say, you talk about all
the investigators and stuff that have passed, and you know,
what we're doing now is trying to find evidence, trying
to find these answers and stuff. That's what all the

(30:02):
the paranormal investigators are doing. So I thought you were
going down the road of, well, why haven't these people
come back to answer that? You know, we said, there's
there's the real famous case of Harry Houdini who said that,
you know, after you know, trying to debunk all the uh,

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I'm gonna try to say the not the mediums, all
those the spiritualist movement and stuff like that, and he said,
you know, I'm gonna come back on Halloween and I'm gonna,
you know, tell you everything and stuff. And so as
far as we've known, he hasn't. And this goes for
everybody that's passed away, you know, all the people that
have done research into the paranormal and that, why haven't

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they made a bigger influence on the people that are
still researching.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
That's a really good question. I often kind of wonder
that myself, like is it just I just think sometimes
I do think like is it just really far too
big of a secret to even keep in the afterlife?
Like or do they just don't have the type of
true power to do. I mean, obviously we're never really
gonna truly know until we get to ourselves what I

(31:13):
actually do say. And I say this for a lot
of investment, you know, for again, for the investigators who
have recently passed. I mean I say this on almost
every single post of mine, you know, when I when
I try to give kind of a sort of remembrance
from for them. But I always ended saying, now you
can find all the answers. I mean, whether you could
show the appearance or not. Now you could find all

(31:34):
the answers we've been looking for.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Absolutely. I think that's that's really it's definitely really interesting,
you know. Again, like it kind of goes back to
the point of people say, whenever you see a ghost,
it's typically like in period clothing, and you never see
somebody like a spirit walking through with a Britney Spears
T shirt on, right, And that's that's another thing, Like

(31:59):
I wonder we're having had a lot of mediums and
stuff on the show and talk to them and stuff.
The general consensus kind of feels like after you cross
over to the other side, after your spirit moves on,
you go back to this source and you know all
the answers, you know all this stuff, and you realize
that it's not important. You know, it's it's it's not

(32:25):
important for us here to know that stuff, that we're
here for a different purpose, and it's it's not relevant
for them to come back and justify, Hey, this is
what happens after you pass. You already know this, You've
already agreed to it. You already know all the answers.
I'm not going to come back and you know, reiterate
it for you kind of thing. Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, it really does. You put it in a very
good way.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
So I don't I don't know. Maybe maybe it's just
that maybe it's not important for us to know what
comes next because we already know, we already been there.
But it's it's it would be it'd be a good
experiment to try and find a very prominent figure kind
of like Houdini, but obviously that hasn't worked. But somebody

(33:14):
else that's you know, like like Swedenburg, that we can
go in and specifically get a group of people to
try and communicate with him and say, okay, you have
crossed over, you were interested in this stuff, come back
and tell us this.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
You know, I also truly believe, and I've I've heard
this recently from some of the other investigators, especially including
some of the cons you and I have gone to,
that you know, even for those who have recently passed,
there is always that general feeling that even in death,
the investigators who have passed are still paying their visits
to these CODs to show that even though they may

(33:53):
have lost their physical body, they still love coming out
to the para cons nonetheless. And I honestly, you know,
think that I really truly believe that that they come
out to almost every single one because that was part
of their life and they enjoyed doing it. They may
not necessary make their presence know because well, first off,
obviously there's a lot of people arout. It would be
kind of difficult to do that. But I just think

(34:16):
you just have that feeling that they're there one way
or another.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Well, I've been at a couple events. Where have you
been to am I par Con when it was still running?

Speaker 6 (34:28):
Yes, I was just I was there for the very
last one last year.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
Okay, So there was a really interesting because they have
like three or four vendor rooms, right, and the one
room that has the paranormal people in it, the lights
flash in it.

Speaker 6 (34:45):
Have you ever realized that, Wow, it was a couple.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
It was multiple times that we were there for the
convention and stuff, and it's always the room with the
paranormal people, whichever room that happens to be where they
have the majority those because they kind of break them
down into This was the cryptid room. This is the
other weird room, author room or whatever. These are the
psychics in this room, and then these are like the
paranormal TV people in this room. And it was always

(35:12):
the paranormal TV people with like the ghost Hunters and
Adam Barry and those guys. That room always flickered.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
That's interesting.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
I don't know. We were just recently at Silicon in
Illinois together and did you notice the lights flickering there?

Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah? I did notice they at least once or twice.
I was kind of I mean, yes, I was kind
of distracted because everybody again wanted to talk to me.
But there were times I was thinking of myself being
why the hell are those lights flicking in the way
they are? I just seems really strange.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
There was where my booth was directly across from me.
There was a booth ahead. I don't know if they
were little candles or something.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
She had and she, yeah, I saw those, Yeah, yep.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
So we're setting up. Was it Friday? Friday morning? And
she had already been set up on Thursday? And they
started jumping out of the baskets over there. Oh wow,
nobody there And I never I never even told her this,
but we're setting up and all of a sudden you
hear like crack and something will like hit the floor

(36:18):
and you look over and there's just one of those
little things laying in the middle of the floor, Like.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
What the heck?

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Oh man, it was really interesting. So I don't know,
I feel like, I feel like there's something in that
room because none of the other rooms, the lights didn't
flicker in or whatever. So it's just interesting.

Speaker 6 (36:36):
That's that's quite ironic, I have to admit.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Yeah, awesome.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
So so, uh, what what else do you do?

Speaker 5 (36:45):
We talked about like a lot of the history of
the paranormal and stuff. But what are you working on now?
What are you investigating? What are you interested in researching
right now?

Speaker 6 (36:53):
Well, I for starters. I mean, I don't necessarily have
like any locations like planned, at least not yet. I'm hoping.
I know, of course, we're kind of getting close to
the end of the season because after October, as we
all know, it's gonna start getting cold out. But I
am hoping that sometime in late March or early April,
we could start planning some particular locations because I want

(37:15):
to go to a number I really want to try
to get to a number of new locations, I mean
going to the like a lot of the old places.
It's fine, I have no problem with. But knowing that
there's so many others out there, it's real, that's what
I'm more interested in. But in the meantime, however, as
you probably have seen that, I do my own podcasts,

(37:36):
which is also which is called the Nick Files, as
you can see right behind me and what I love about.
I've been doing that now for almost for over two years,
although I've kind of taken a break from doing it
this year because I've been involved with the audio book projects,
which I'll talk about shortly. But my show Nick Files,
to give some description about, is quite unique because it

(37:59):
really stands out from a lot of the other at
least as far as I know. It stands out from
a lot of the other paranormal podcasts because unlike many
of the other podcasts, which like this one for example,
like you know, most of them have guests on and whatnot,
and some shows also have co hosts with them, my
show does not rely on that. Instead, well and not

(38:20):
just guess I almost regar and then of course, yeah
there you got your other shows where it's just one
person like doing readings or whatever. My show doesn't do
any of that. Instead, I present slide shows instead. They're
they're essentially the guests, if you will. Every once in
a while, like when it comes to like a historic event,
I might have like a few show hosts on so
they could actually be part of it, but they're not

(38:43):
necessarily guess they're only just taking part in wanting to
give their thoughts and opinions on it. But like I said,
my when I do these presentations, the presentations primarily feature
like a lot of a lot of haunted and historical locations,
but I've also expanded to cryptids, UFOs. I mean, I'm
I'm kind of expanding to almost everything now. And as

(39:04):
far as I know, and I'm not trying to claim
predit or anything like this, but as far as I know,
no other podcast has done what I've done, like you know,
with like putting these like the amount of work I
put into the show. I mean, putting so many slide
shows together just to have them ready for another episode
or something like that, you know, something like that. To date,

(39:24):
no other show has done that, And again you'd be
amazed with the amount of work that I've had to
put in with it. But in addition to that, what
makes my show well also unique too is that when
I cover a particular location, I mean, yes, I did
kind of start off with this. I started off like
this in the beginning, but now I've kind of gone

(39:46):
a different direction with the show, where yes, I was
focusing on some like the notorious Hant locations, but knowing
that there are so many hundreds, if not thousands of
other locations out there, whether they're haunted or not, That's
why I can I include the historical locations as well.
There are tens of thousands of these locations that do

(40:08):
not get as much recognition or attention as some of
these up because there are just certain locations out there
that we for so many years we put far more
too much attention to. So now I'm focusing on the
less known, lesser known locations. Yeah, every once in a
while I'll focus on one of the more notorious ones,
but most of the time now I'm looking at I

(40:28):
look at research, and I present these locations to the
point where people are like, Wow, that's actually something I'm
surprised I've never heard about, Like it really is that
kind of thing where people say other investigators would say,
you know, where's this location been all our lives? How
Come we've never investigated this before. How Come I've never
heard of it before either. So that's that's what I
love about. That's why I really love about Nick Files.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Very cool, very cool. So let me ask you this,
what is your opinion on paranormal tourism. You know, you're
talking about all these places that everybody's gone and everybody's researched,
and you know, you get these people that go there
because they want to experience that location. Do you think
that that's actually doing anything for the research of the

(41:14):
community or you know, what is your thoughts on that.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
I don't know if it really has a huge primary effect,
like if people want to go on these tours, like
I would highly recommend it, and I've even told because
I've actually helped out with a few tours in the
past when I used to work with urs Silbiolski while
she was still doing a lot. I know she's not
really doing much of that stuff anymore, but back when

(41:39):
she was, I would be helping out with some of
these tours and some of the people I would talk
to about whether, well whether it's a tour or if
it was like an actual paranormal investigation, because again not
trying to claim credit or anything, because this is actually true,
but I was actually one of the very first paranormal
investiers to investigate Joliet Prison. They first started doing the

(42:01):
tours back in back in twenty eighteen, and along with
the investigator the public investigations they used to do, so
I often usually would tell these people like, I can't
guarantee that you're going to experience anything, but you know,
there's definitely a lot of stories that we could tell
you about some of the past experiences, not just the history,

(42:24):
but just things that happened in general, and I think
that's what keeps some people going, Yes, you're gonna have
your share of disappointed viewers. In fact, to throw a
quick idea, a quick example out was one of the
last one of the last tours I did with Ursula,
almost well six years ago now, back in twenty nineteen.

(42:48):
Was it was one of the daylight tours too. For
the most part, the tour went really well, and then
we stopped at this one location. I don't remember exactly
what the location was, but it was kind of like
it out in an open field, and they say that
to this day there's still the remains of a noose
by a tree. I don't remember, it's been a it's

(43:09):
been a number of years, obviously. So we're heading over
to the area and we're telling people about it, you know,
Ursula was telling you know, the story about it, and
it was a pretty large group. I was further back
with a few other people, along with my friend Tom McNicholas. Unfortunately,
Tom and I couldn't help, but hear some people like

(43:32):
they thought they were being quiet, but they really weren't.
They were having this like, uh, kind of irritated sound
of their voice thinging like geez, I paid paid all
this money, We paid all this money to go on
these tours and nothing tapp Like what the hell I
thought we were going to experience something? And normally I
don't show this kind of reaction, but I almost turned around,

(43:54):
and I almost I really I had to really resent
myself from it, but I almost turned around and almost
harshly said, sinking, well, you know what they're When you
go on these tours, there's no guarantee you're going to
experience anything like that, So you just got to deal
with it and if you're not happy about then just
wait on the bus until we're done. So of course

(44:14):
I wasn't going to do that because I didn't want
to make a scene. But you know, as far as
like research and stuff like that, again, I don't think
it has an effect, but I think it may have
some sort of little success for lack of a better term,
because then, at least even to some varying degree, some

(44:36):
people are going to want to continue, may want to
get in, you know, they may want to start doing
this stuff and want to be part of groups like us.
So that's where I think my satisfaction would rest as
far as you know, if they're as far as the
tourism is concerned.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
Like a good step into the door, a good way
in if you're interested in starting out, not necessarily not
necess csarily something that a seasoned researcher isn't going to
go to a location and you know, have a good
time on these tours, but a person that's starting out
wants to get an idea and foot in right.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
Whether it's the tours or the cons I mean, anybody
that either walks onto our either onto our websites or
our shows or you know, like or just our Facebook
pages and group pages in general, or network pages because
we got a lot of paranormal net you know, podcasting networks. Now,
you know, they see who we are, they see what
we're about. They decide that that is something they live

(45:33):
close by. They decide that that is something that they
want to participate in. It's just it's just like you know,
when you're any group of interest, you know, become a supporter,
Come on out and support us if you're able to
drive out, come on out to the you know, tours
or events or or conventions. You know, see what's up,
See what I mean, See what it's See what it's
all about. See if you like it, see see if

(45:55):
we like you, and you know, kind of work our
way from there.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
Then absolutely. Do you think that, you know, going back
to all these older TV shows and stuff like that,
do you think that the newer TV shows has kind
of given a over hyped image of what paranormal investigating is.

(46:20):
Like you watch an hour long show and they give you,
like the history, and then they go in there and
they get all this evidence and then they recap it
and oh my gosh, a door slammed, whatever, and then
they go home. But realistically, and this is something I
haven't talked a lot of the TV show people like
ghost Hunters and stuff. I wonder how many episodes they

(46:42):
film or try and film that just get scrapped because
nothing happened.

Speaker 6 (46:48):
That's I honestly believe that a lot of the shows
happen over hype. To me, Like I said, although I prefer,
you know, like the older shows. I mean, there have
been some of the newer like shows the twenty tens
and also partially from the twenty twenties, like some have
managed to kind of seep through the cracks. I thought, Okay,

(47:08):
this actually is pretty good because they do it in
a really good way. But most of them, unfortunately, are
are pretty over hyped because again, like I said earlier,
they just it's like they want everything to be a demon.
They want to get the best evidence. They want to
just jump into conclusion that Okay, this is definitely paranormal
or something or something like that. So that's that's kind

(47:31):
of the disappointing factor because that's not what I was
hoping to see. You know, It's not something I was
expecting to see, Like when I watched a lot of
the older shows in and again I know I'm not
the only one who speaks about that, because you watch
there's a lot of people who watch these old shows
and they're just thinking, Wow, these shows are like so
much better than what we got today. It wasn't like, hey,
check it out, we're at this location and we're gonna

(47:53):
encounter a demon or something like that. It wasn't about
that at all. Again, it was just going in with
the expectator if they were going to experience something or not.
In fact, I've never really told much about this very frequently,
but a few years ago I actually tried to create
my own paranormal series on It was gonna be a
YouTube series, of course, which and I checked to make

(48:16):
sure because I know a lot of titles have been taken.
This was one I was really surprised and not been
taken sooner. Or maybe it has now, but back then
it wasn't. It was going to be called Paranormal Travels,
And what it essentially would have been was the team
that I used to run the IPF. The way how
I kind of thought this was kind of a good start.
I thought we would investigate different locations throughout Chicago first,

(48:40):
then start expanding to other parts of Illinois and also
parts of Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, and if we were lucky,
maybe even parts to eastern Iowa and then kind of
really expand even further out. But the show was going
to have kind of like a nod or an homage
to another old show from the early twenty tens. I

(49:02):
don't don't And this was probably one of the last
good ones that really did its job well. Is uh
Paranormal Witness? Do you ever remember watching that show before? Okay,
so my show was gonna have kind of a similar format,
you know, it was gonna have, but the difference was
on like Paranormal Witness, where you had people that you know, families,
like the victims if you will, involve moving into these homes.

(49:25):
In this case, it was going to entirely focus on us.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
You know.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
It was gonna be simple like us sitting down, have
a black background behind us. And but the other thing
that would have been quite unique is when you watch
a lot of those other shows, they usually show the reenactments.
You have actors out there that you know resemble the
real people. The difference in this case and this was
something at least as far as I know, again, had

(49:49):
never truly been done before. Is that when we would
go out to these locations, we would have the entire
investigation as well as even before we get started films. Yes,
it may kind of have that sort of kind of
like a creepy found footage genre, but this time it
would all be real. But when we started to record,

(50:12):
like the moment we started recording, we were we were
not under the expectation that we would have any type
of activity. Like we thought to ourselves, if we get
something good, if we get something extraordinary, great, If we
don't capture anything at all, well at least we tried,
but we would still present that footage, you know, while

(50:36):
we're talking about it's almost instead again the videos in between,
Instead of re enactments, it would be there. We're not
We're not relying on actors that resemble us. It would
be us fully entirely. So it's to add that kind
of realism to it. So that's that was something that
I really wanted to put together. Unfortunately, the series was

(50:57):
never picked up because the guys I used to work
with at that time were just not that cooperative and
we're not really on the same page as I was.
So the project was dropped. Could it ever come back
in the future. I'm sure it will eventually, but as
of right now, it's just I just don't have the
right the full crew just yet that's willing to go

(51:18):
out on a regular basis to make such a series
like this. But I still have hope for it in
the future.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Very cool. You definitely seem to have a viewpoint on
this whole paranormal thing, like you said, where you enjoyed
watching the TV shows because they told you more of
the history than the investigation, and you know, talking about
the tours and stuff like that as well. It's more
important to tell the stories, the history and and what's

(51:48):
actually going on, and that's that's also a very unique perspective.
I appreciate that well.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
And I also think too when you really think about it,
because unfortunately, there are there are a lot of investigators
out there which regardless of they whether they capture something
or not, that they just do this, you know, just
to be famous, and that's that's never a good thing
to do. Like if you have people out there that
are just doing it for the fame and if they're
lucky money, which most of time that never happens either way,

(52:16):
they're obviously doing it for the wrong reasons then, So
when I started putting this series together, it had nothing
to do with fame at all. It was something that
I wanted to put together because I thought it was
because I had been involved with filmmaking and I wanted
to put more of my you know, filmmaking knowledge, you know,
combining both filmmaking and the paranormal into one and just

(52:39):
really try to see if I can get my own
independent series together. But also more importantly too, and this
is something you just don't see with a lot of
the paranormal shows, especially today, is that, like when you
mentioned earlier, like when ghost Hunters, you know, would investigate
certain locations and certain episodes were scrapped and thrown out.
It never made it because nothing was ever captured for

(53:03):
my series. Again, regardless of whether we captured something or not,
it wouldn't matter to me in fact, if anything, And
this is why I've really thought about this thing. This
really has uh. I don't think any other show has
even done this since. But the show, the show that
I was trying to put together almost kind of at

(53:23):
times seemed to kind of look more like a training
series to show, like you know, especially a lot of
the newcomers that want to join our community. So again,
even if they didn't capture anything, it would kind of
give almost that educational kind of feel of how we
how a typical ghost hunter investigates. And yes, while I

(53:44):
do have a lot of the equipment that you know,
a lot, you know, a lot of investigators have, even
I had suggested in the interview segments, I would say, yes,
it's true, I got a lot of the equipment. But
for anybody that wants to get started with this, you know,
you don't have to relt don't have to rely on
like paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to get all

(54:04):
this equipment. I mean, if you want, if you have
the money for and you really want to try to
like get into it, after you get started with it,
I would say, yeah, go for it. But I would
just simply say, like getting EVPCE any type of digital
recorder is fine. You could even use your phone now
in this day and age, I've even spoken with people
who use their iPhones now as their EVP recorders. So

(54:30):
I always try to make it plain and simple. And
I think that's again see I wish again that the
show never you know, kind of disappeared, because I think
such a series like that, especially in this day and age,
is desperately needed, just because I think also on trying
to show the raw reality and realism of how paranormal

(54:50):
investigations work, because that's another important factor too, that you
just don't see what a lot of the modern day
invest paranormal shows because they go in there there's always
something happening, or there's always something happening like every five
to ten minutes or so my show would have almost Again,
it's not to cause disappointment. What was supposed to give

(55:10):
the reality of what a real investigation is. I mean,
I wouldn't say it on the show, but I mean
on my on this show that I was trying to
put together, but it was to certainly give that message
to say that you know as much as what you've
seen on TV or even in some of the horror movies,
because like the movie, some of the TV shows even

(55:30):
do the same thing. But it's to send that message
out that not trying to disappoint, but ninety percent of
paranormal investigating is usually boring. You go to these locations,
you investigate them, and for the most part, nothing happens,
or if something does happen, it's usually very brief.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
Absolutely, yeah, I think you know, like you said, people
just have this false representation of this. You know, you
go on tours, and like you said, people think that
something's going to happen every single time you go out.
And you know, if you believe in all this stuff
and you believe that what we're dealing with is the
spirits of people, you're literally asking another person to do

(56:11):
tricks on command for you, and that, I mean, that's
that's very disrespectful. You know, you go into somebody's house
and ask them to turn on a light for you
and stuff. You know, it's like.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
It really is. And I will admit, like during my
early days of studying the paranormal at a young age,
I was one of those people myself. I mean, yes,
I was a kid back then, but even then, at
the intelligent age that I had, even then, I was
hoping for stuff to occurr and be like a typical kid,
I'd be crying and being upset about it. But it

(56:44):
didn't take long for me to realize very quickly that
it's not as easy as it seemed, and I was
able to becount very very well educated by the time
I was fourteen years old, you know, revolving around, you know,
like when it comes to certain activity. A lot of
people have described it this way now. In fact, see
if this was live, I would know an investigator, a

(57:04):
friend of mine by the name of Chris Binder, who
lives in Colorado. I know he would be saying this
right now. He probably will know when this is recorded.
I'm just kidding, this is a release, but he's always
He along with many others, have described it as it's
when it comes to paranormal investigations, it's fishing. You literally
are sitting and waiting, and just like fishing, sometimes you

(57:26):
get a catch, other times you don't. It's a true
waiting game. And there's no guarantees, no guarantees at all,
and it's like, well, the guys think, if we didn't
catch anything this time, there's always next time.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
Absolutely, it's a lot more work than a lot of
people think. Because even if you sit there for five
hours at a location, how many audio recorders, cameras, you know,
things that you have to look over again once you leave.
You know, it doesn't stop once you're done on that investigation.
There's a lot more work that goes into paranormal and
stuff than people realize when they just watch it on TV.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
You know what, I also kind of compare it to Again,
this is also another interest I have that I've I've had,
I've held it just as long as I've had with
the paranormal, and that's I'm also huge into like weather,
like a lot of severe weather and storm chasing that kind.
I haven't been on an actual chase myself, but I've been.
I've seen a lot of again a lot of the
older documentaries. Once again, I think is the better stuff.

(58:28):
But you know, you watch a lot of those shows
and they kind of give the same message too, you know,
where you have storm chasers go out and wanted to
you know, chase film and if they're if they're scientists,
you know, research like tornadoes. In this case, they can
be driving hundreds, if not thousands of miles for several
days to you know, try to put you know, get

(58:52):
themselves in the right position, try to you know, be
ready to film a tornado as it touches down. And
there are times in which the story does not do
what the storm chaser does. In fact, there's actually a
term that's called that. It's called a bust a bus day,
and they say the bus day is the most common
day for storm chasers out there, because like paranormal investing,

(59:16):
you drive around, Yeah, you might have a storm developed
and you think that from the conditions they look favorable,
and either you do get a funnel or you get
nothing at all, and that leads to this huge disappointment
that you traveled along this way. But that's just the
way how storm chasing is, and just like paranormal investigating,

(59:37):
because let's face it, both those kind of interests do
have one thing in common, and that is it's very
stressful with investigations because a lot of I mean yes,
I do them during the day too, but some of
us we're up in a wait for the entire night
and nothing happens, and we're exhausted. Of course, storm chasing,
on the other hand, you know, after you've been driving

(01:00:00):
for a while, you get you get tired, you want
to go home, and uh, you know, of course, obviously
it's just not that easy just to turn around, because
you got to if you draw one hundred miles out,
you know, I have to drive one hundred miles back,
and it's just it just adds to the stress related issue.
So I honestly believe there is kind of a summ
of connection between those two interests because they kind of

(01:00:23):
have similar results disappointing results, and they even say like
for both of them, they'll usually say that maybe like
only one out of ten investigators will ever succeed in
having like in this case, having like a successful chase
or having a successful encounter or experience or if they're

(01:00:43):
lucky enough, evidence.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Absolutely that goes along with with all this stuff. I mean,
like you can make that same analogy for like you said, fishing,
for hunting, for big footing, all that stuff is the
same thing you you invest all this time, and it's
it's just absolutely hit or miss.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
Well, we are coming up here on the end of
the show. I know that you wanted to talk about
one of your recent things that you had coming or
that you've been looking into, so I want to get
that in before we wrap things up here.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
So recently I mentioned about this briefly. I'm working on
some audio books. Now these are not actually new ones,
these are ones that I put together a few years ago.
But unfortunately, because I was brand new into audiobooks at
that time, I didn't really know as much knowledge as
I do now. So, like a lot of the books

(01:01:37):
that I've been recording is first off, are you familiar
with the scary stories of telling the Dark Trilogy books? Okay,
so long story short on those those were books I
used to be terrified of. I mean, even though I
was into even at when I was already into the
paranormal horror genre. Those are like the Black Sheep of

(01:01:58):
the Family like. It wasn't until I seventeen years old
that I finally bought that the three and one book,
like three Books and one and the Treasury Book, That's
what it was. And I've been reading it every Halloween
seasonson ever since. I'm of course, now that we entered October,
I'll be doing it again. So I've been a big

(01:02:18):
fan of the books. But over the last number of years,
there has been a number of other authors out there
that have taken inspiration from the original trilogy and have
made their own books based on it, and have even
gone as far as using the same type of charcoal
illustrations like the original books did that illustrator Stephen Gammel

(01:02:39):
had done. And the very first book that I watch
you know, before I get to that, some of these
books over the years, including the original trilogy, had audio books,
and you know, when you read them and you have
the scary pictures in front and you have the audiobook playing,
it does make the experience more scary and unsettling. Been

(01:03:00):
several of these books, however, that have not had audio books,
but I've read them, and I just when I when
I read them, I just think these books, these stories
are really good. But I think it would be a
lot creepier if there were actually audiobooks made for some
of the ones that don't have them. So there was
one of the groups that I've been you know, that
I've asked about, was a group's called Cemetery Gates Media.

(01:03:23):
So I contacted Cemetery Gates Media and I and I
messaged them and I said, you know, you guys have
made some really good books, you know, paying homage to
the Scary Stories trilogy, but have you guys ever planned
of wanting to make audiobooks out of it? And it
was only about a day or two before they got
back to me and they said, well, we didn't really

(01:03:43):
have much interest in putting it also, so I don't
think we have the budget of putting it. And that's
why I said, well, is there any possibility or chance
that I could record them myself? And I'm not asking
for money, I'm just doing it for fun. And they said, yeah,
go right ahead. So the first one that I ever read,
I don't know if you well, I got it. I
don't know if you're gonna be able to see it
because of the green screen, of course, but directly in

(01:04:06):
front of you. Yeah, I know, it's kind of it's
kind of stressful because I have a green screen. But sorry,
I was trying to look for Okay, here we go.
Actually I could turn off the I could turn off
the green screen right now, I think, or at least
I think I can. Uh, oh wait here, okay, here
we go. All right, so I could turn it off.

(01:04:28):
So the very thing, Okay, there we go. Yeah. So
the very first book that I ever record, this is
called Corpse Cold numer Okay. It's kind of dark corps
called New American Folklore. This came out back in twenty seventeen,
I believe, and as you can see, it has the
similar illustrations to the original trilogy. Now, once just to
be clear, I did not write this book, I didn't

(01:04:49):
have anything to do with it. The only thing I
did was just recorded. But unfortunately, when I first recorded
this back in twenty twenty, like I said, going back
to I didn't have as much knowledge. When I started
re listening to it around like two years ago, I
realized there were a lot of hidden errors that were mixed,
and there were mispronunciations, some words were missing, parts of

(01:05:10):
sentences were even missing, and there were also just times
that I was just simply reading way too fast. So
with that being said, I've had to go back and
make several repairs, not just on this book, on at
least three other two other no, actually two other books
I gotta work on. One's already fixed up. So I'm

(01:05:32):
going to be re releasing a lot of these audiobooks.
I'm not sure if I'm going to have them all
re released in time for the October Halloween season, but
I am working around the clock and getting them put
out there, and if given the opportunity the podcasting networks
that I'm a part of, I'm also going to try
to broadcast these as we get closer to Halloween, so

(01:05:54):
in a way, they will essentially be if there's no
podcast running during a certain time. They will essentially the
are Halloween specials for our networks, and that is something
that I'm really looking forward to doing, and it's gonna
be a lot of fun. It's going to be great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
That sounds great. I love audiobooks like I work third shift,
so I can listen to books or podcasts all night.
But you know, people ask me, well do you read
these things? I'm like, it's if it's not an audiobook,
I don't read it because I don't have the time
to physically sit down and look at a book. So
a lot of like the authors and stuff that we

(01:06:31):
meet at these conventions and stuff, I don't get to
read a lot of their books. So when I have
them on the show or something, I will ask them
do you have a PDF of your book? Because if
I can get a pdf, I have a reader that
will read the PDF to me. Like an audiobook that's
very monotone and very crappy, but you get the gist
of it and you get the knowledge and you get

(01:06:53):
to hear the audiobook of the research and stuff. So
I highly recommend anybody else that's that's in my position.
Audio looks are great, so well.

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
Not only that, I've also just also had one other
edition one of my other projects that I made about
almost four years ago, now an audio another tribute book.
It's called Nightmare Soup, which they're releasing a couple of
new books. They're supposed to have a new one come
out sometime in October called Nightmare Suit Bloody Bites. Now,
strangely enough, they made it when they started making these

(01:07:24):
books over a decade ago. They came out with Nightmare
Soup in twenty sixteen. Then not it wasn't long that
a sequel was gonna come out. They made Nightmare Soup
to the second coming. Strangely enough, they made an audiobook
for the second one, but they never did for the
first one. So I did the exact same thing. I
contacted them and I said to them, you guys did

(01:07:45):
a great job in the second audio book, by you
guys gonna work on the make one for the first one.
So they got back to me and they said we're
gonna try to make it. Of course, a few months
go by, not hurt anything, and it's not trying to push.
I'm just so eager of wanting to know. So about
half a year goes by and I decided to reach

(01:08:05):
out and say, how's things going, and they decide they
got back to me and they said, unfortunately, they were
not going to be able to have the budget to
produce it. So I once again offered, you know, if
they if I could record it for the first book,
and they said, go right ahead too. But I decided
to take it one step further because this was something
I because before that, the other audiobooks I did was

(01:08:27):
just recorded by me. I had this really cool idea,
I thought, because there's so many paranormal podcast hosts that
I've worked with or I've appeared on shows with such
as this one, I thought, wouldn't it be cool if
I can get some of the paranormal podcast hosts to
record a story from this book. And they're short stories too,
They're just only like a coup like some of them

(01:08:48):
were only like two maybe three pages at most. And
so I reached out to a lot of different podcast
hosts and they all agreed to take part in nets.
So that's the first series that is it's recorded other
than myself, and currently I am trying to put together
another one. It's for the third third Nightmare Soup book,

(01:09:09):
and I know some people again would ask him, well,
why is in the second Since I already said there's
an audiobook for that one, it's not necessary to work
on the second one. So we're just jumping right to
the third. But right now, I got to focus on
the older audiobooks first, the re releases before I get
to this new one. But we got we got. You know,
some of the show hosts that were involved in the

(01:09:31):
first one are coming back for the for the for
the third book, I got a couple of new ones
who recorded their stories. Some of the others are interested,
and I'm not gonna say exactly one just yet. But
I've also I even expanded even further for future projects
like this. I've even reached out some of the big
names like Brian J. Canno, Aaron Seger is a paranormal

(01:09:52):
con on camera, Heather Taddy, Dave Schrader, to name a few.
I talk to them almost the same way I've described
these audiobooks the projects, and I'd ask I just thought
it'd be kind of cool, like if they would be
Jenny Davis is another No, she really wants to do it,
you know. They I was kind of describing and I
asked if that would be something that if they have

(01:10:12):
a few minutes of their time, that they'd be willing
to do. And I'm very happy to see that most
of them have agreed. And when I'm gonna get started
with this project, they will eventually be, you know, recording
stories whichever one's they want me to send to them.
So I even got some of the big television names
involved in these audio books, and that's that's just fantastic.

(01:10:32):
I'm really excited that they accepted the offer.

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
That's really cool. That was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Well, you you definitely have a lot going on here,
so I really do. I wish you the best of
luck on all that stuff. I mean, I know, like
like I know all my projects and stuff, I got
a lot going on, and I know how much that
takes on you, so so best of luck with all
that to you. I hope everything turns out absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:10:58):
I mean, obviously I'll keep everybody updated like I usually do.
I mean, because I post a lot of that information
on Facebook and elsewhere. So I said, it's it's a
lot of work to put together, but in the end,
it's totally worth doing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Cool man, Well, we were at the end of our show.
I don't want to keep you, but I know that
when we talked before the show, you want to talk
about patches and music.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
Well, not necessarily the patches. I was only just referring to,
like the cryptids on the patches. So this is something
that is not involving me. But I just want to
let people know about this. In fact, if it's all
right with you, Barnaby, I'm gonna share the screen just actually,
just before I do, just so I can give you
an idea of what I'm going to talk about. So
a few days ago, you know, like I always do

(01:11:44):
every October, I was looking for some new Halloween music.
I was going to add to my music list and
I can't. And this was accidental, but I came across
this new music list that I've never seen before. In fact,
it was just released like four or five months ago.
And when I looked at what it was, it was
actually called Tales from the Shadows. I was like, I mean,

(01:12:07):
at first I thought it was an audiobook it's because
it sounds like an audiobook series, but then I realized
it was actually music. And I'm only just gonna show
an image because obviously it's music. I don't want to
give copy, you know, copyright issue. I could not believe
what each song had. It was discussing like different paranormal

(01:12:28):
entities and cryptids out there. It had like like the
first song was about the Mothman, next one was like Bigfoot,
Jersey Devil, even some of the lesser known cryptids out there,
like uh, let's see like the Devil Monkey and also
see I actually see. I'm gonna show the pick. Oh
there's a black Eyed kids. I mean, there's just this

(01:12:51):
huge list Visa Bladanborough. I mean, it's just I couldn't
believe what I was finding. And I'm gonna share the
screen in just a sex so you can get an
idea of what it looks like. You know. I'm just
gonna keep the video pause but show the image of it.
And it's just it's just increased. I mean, I fell
in love with the series, I mean with this music
series as soon as I discovered it. So here here

(01:13:13):
you go. Okay, so yeah, can you see that right now? Yep? Okay, Yeah,
So they have all these different songs that, like I said,
first one is is Mothman, Walker's in the fog Fresny,
What's up the wings over the River, Wings Over the

(01:13:36):
River for Mothman, thirteen Child, Jersey Devil, the Thing of
the Swamp, the Fouc Monster, I mean, Thing of the
Cyprus skunk Ape. I mean there it's I couldn't thing
from Enfield Enfield Horror, and that's one of the least
known cryptids out there. I mean, I just could not
believe that. Whoever this band is, they went out of

(01:13:57):
their way to make this music list, and they've made
two different They've made two different albums on Sorry they
made they made a second volume to focusing on the
apple appllation area. So like you have like the Devil,
Likes of the Devil, Monkey, Sheep, Squatch, you know, all
these different beasts of blaydon Borough. I mean, it was

(01:14:18):
just it was an incredible fine and I've been hooked
on it ever since. So I hope they make They
made two volumes. I really hope they make a third one,
because that is there's never been a music list like
this that focuses on, as it says on the bottom
of the list, songs of cryptids, curses and unquiet things.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
Very cool, very cool, man. I will I will look
that up and I will get a link in the
show notes as well to their playlist and stuff, and
we'll throw that in there for everybody. Do you have
anything else, like where can people find your podcast? Where
can people find more about you? Any events that you're
gonna be at coming up?

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
So yes, you can find on most of the time,
you can find me on Facebook, but also YouTube if
you want to listen to my audiobooks stories. But as
far as the actual networks, I mean, I'm on several networks,
but the main networks that I'm a part of is
called the Things Network, which just so everybody can get
an idea of which I should have kept the page

(01:15:19):
on share, let me share the page one final time
because I know for a fact that there's there's other
pages that go by that name. So give me one
second here, so you guys have the you guys have
the correct one.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
Shoot me the links once we're off the air here
and I'll throw them in the show notes as well
for everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
Yeah, yeah, just give me a second here while while
I'm getting it ready. Okay, So here we okay, here
we go. So this is the this is the first network.
This is the Things Network, which also, by the way,
we're about to be our approaching our four year anniversary.
We've been around now for four years, so that is
and also this is the actual I should have Kevin

(01:16:00):
like this, So yeah, this is the this is the
page itself if you want to find us. And the
other network that I'm a part of, which is also
my own network. This was founded earlier this year. It's
called it's called the n n W well Ns nw
s M Multiverse Network. And I believe we see here.

(01:16:20):
I'm just trying to get the right page up because
we have a private page as of right now. Okay, yeah,
this is it. This is it right here, and this
this has kind of almost become kind of like the
European counterpart to the Things network because the NWSM stance
obviously the end stance for my name obviously, it features

(01:16:42):
everybody here features me, Willo stands for Lois who's from Scotland,
and then we got Shane and Mary who are both
from the Netherlands. So it's a full on European network
and it's it's it's definitely a success. I would definitely
highly recommend that at some point you should have some
of them on your on your show out of some

(01:17:04):
future episodes.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
Absolutely get me in touch with them.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
Yeah, I definitely will. I'll put the word out for
them and maybe at some point soon we could try
to get you on some of our shows for that matter.

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
Sounds good man, But you can find me on those.

Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
There's a lot of other networks. I don't want to
go too much sharing into it, but those are the
two main networks that you can find.

Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
Me at Perfect Awesome, And we'll get the links for
everybody in the show notes when you're watching this, and
we are pre recorded today as well, just to remind
everybody if we're ignoring comments or anything throughout the show here,
but Awesome. Anything else you want to touch on before
we wrap things up.

Speaker 6 (01:17:41):
Not very much. Just all I could really just say
is that, you know, it's you know, the fact I've
been involved with this field for twenty years. It's definitely
been a great twenty years. And of course I know
we're again we're getting close near the end of the
investigations season, aside from you know, obviously welcoming the Halloween season,
which I'm really excited about, but of course obviously we'll

(01:18:04):
be doing it all over again for twenty twenty six,
which I'm really looking forward to. You. I'm hoping we'll
be able to get out and you know, again, it's
been great doing this for twenty years and looking forward
to doing this for many more years to come.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
Awesome, man. Well I look forward to the next time
we get to see each other at the next convention.
I know we'll probably see each other pretty soon.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
So yeah, I'm sure we will. So yeah, well, I
know we'll cross fast again real soon. And you're only
stayed away from me, so we're not even that far
from each other.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
That's right, man, that's right. Awesome. Well, it's been awesome
great talking to you, getting to know you, because, like
I said, see you at all these conventions and we
never really get a good chance to chat. So it's
been been awesome getting the chance to hang out with
you and then pick your brain and stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:18:50):
So exactly. And if you ever want me back on,
you know, to talk more, I'm more than happy to
come back on in the future.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
Oh absolutely, man. Sounds good. All right, Well that is
it for today. I thank you for coming on again.

Speaker 6 (01:19:04):
Yeah, thank you again so much for having me. This
has been great.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
Awesome man.

Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
You take care all right, take it easy.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
All right, guys. That is our show for this week.
Guys for tuning in, remember to check out all of
Nick's stuff all the networks. We will get them in
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and you can go and click and go and subscribe,
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Network as well, and Cryptids, Anomalies and the Paranormal Society.

(01:19:36):
Until next time, guys, Remember we're all part of the
paranormal spectrum. Take care, be well and I'll see you
next week.

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