Squatchin' Holler #12 Strange Tales from West Virginia: Andrea Billups – Bigfoot Researcher

Andrea Billups Joins us to talk about her class A bigfoot encounter.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Squatching Holler.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
In the midst where the trees lean loom. Squatching Hollers
gotta teal the show. Wisps creep like a creature spain out.
Every shadows got a secret to crown. Monsters rise Where
the stories are too? Squatching hollow where the legends are born?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Are they?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Are they gone?

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Who can say?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
In the hollow of the true just slips way.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
Huge footprints faed where the creek runs than a lantern sways.
Let the search be in rustling leaves, but.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
There's no one there is in the wind or the
beast you fear.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
Everyhere goes a question.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Every russell's a clue. Spotching hollis got its size on you. Monsters.
The stories are told swatching How where the legends are born?

Speaker 6 (01:47):
Are they?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Are they gone?

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Who can say?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
There shot not said?

Speaker 7 (01:59):
And now with your Squatching Holler hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers,
and Ashley Rams. Remember this podcast can be downloaded everywhere
great podcasts are found. And now the show.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Hello, Hello, everybody?

Speaker 8 (02:28):
Aready? Wow?

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Right? And it's like chaos And then when the intro
starts we all kind of straighten.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
Up, right, Yeah, backstages stage.

Speaker 8 (02:40):
Ya, nobody needs to know what's going off the rails,
Like it's.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
All this to do like we just do in the
Tattletale on ourselves.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
So I want to brag on the chat. Uh, there's
one hundred messages before we even get started.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
People are talking about timing off like crazy. Prior to
the show. I was backstage here doing some backstage stuff
and at like seven fifteen, seven twenty, there was already
like six or seven people in there already and they
were going back and forth. So thank you guys. That's
means a lot to us that you guys are early

(03:21):
birds as you were, if you want to call it that,
I know.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
And you know, we got our numbers this week and
I'm just humbled by the amount of views. And you
know here on YouTube we can keep up with it
with the podcast. We didn't had no idea, so we've
only been doing this two months with this way, and

(03:47):
I was I was blown away. I don't know about
you guys, but I.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
Was absolutely blown away. And like you said, I was
truly humbled. And just again thank you to everybody who's
you know, joining in and coming along on the journey.
Is like said, we're all learning and trying to figure
this stuff out. And a shout out. Actually today I
had somebody speaking of humbling. I had somebody today come

(04:14):
into the museum and uh said, hey, aren't you. Aren't
you on that podcast show? I was like, maybe, yeah,
so I'm not you. It was great, So shout out
to miss Leslie if you're out there listening again. Uh,
it was really nice talking to you and meet you.
So yeah, it's it's still taking a little bit getting

(04:35):
used to people recognizing you. You're coming up and it's like, oh, yeah,
I've chimed in and listened to your show. It was
really good. You know people here in town and stuff,
and like it's.

Speaker 8 (04:46):
So funny that it's getting used to it. I had
a similar experience to day. I was at the post
office and I saw somebody who you know, it's like
small town you just you just know people. And the
first thing out of her mouth, I got some your
guns and it was like love the show, Oh my goodness.
And it's just like, oh, you don't think of it

(05:07):
being local. You think of it kind of going down
into the ether, but exactly, sometimes it's you know people,
people are watching and and and that's awesome. And again,
like they're saying, guys, this chat is the is the friendliest,
most welcoming, most It always lifts my spirit being in
the chat. So you guys are awesome. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, just and thank you. And we're gonna try We're
gonna do something different starting beginning each show. I stole
the idea from some other podcasts and I kind of
liked it. We're gonna do a trivia question that kind
of has to do a little bit with our guests
for the night. So tonight, uh, and some of y'all

(05:47):
know this. We're going to do squatching holler trivia. It's
gonna be quick. We're not gonna spend a lot of
time on it. But Amanda, could you read the question
for us please, ma'am?

Speaker 6 (05:58):
Absolutely so. Appalachi stretches across thirteen US states, but which
one is located entirely within the Apalachian region? All right,
They'll give me all a couple of seconds to figure it
out because I know what it is.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
But Hillary can't answer.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
A few answers.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeahs right in the middle, So I see some correct answers,
and old Roger don't know how to use the internet.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
Here we go the coup on Roger, you can do it.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
There we go, There we go.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
Yeah, yes, what if the answer is West Virginia And
I didn't know that.

Speaker 8 (06:41):
I mean I figured from the chat. But that's cool.
You learned something new every day.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
And the reason I picked that is because our guest tonight,
miss Andrew Andrew Billops Uh, is a native West Virginia.
She's been all over Uh. I'm gonna let her introduce
herself because she's really humble and she's probably we're impressed
by some of the things she does, but I can

(07:07):
tell right away that she probably doesn't like to talk
about herself. For We're going to bring her in and
just let her introduce herself and let her get started.
I've heard her story and it's I love it. I
love it because we have something in common, because we've

(07:27):
experienced some similar things. But also she's gotten to a
point where she doesn't care if people don't believe her
because it happened, happens, it's true, and she just puts
it out there. And with her job and some of
the things she does, I applaud her for being having

(07:49):
the courage to do that. And you never know who
you're going to inspire to do the same thing. So
let's well absolute.

Speaker 8 (08:00):
Hello, Hello, Weldy Andrea, welcome.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Thank you, guys. I appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yeah. So Roger here is a tattling saying that he
has heard your story and yourself. I personally have not yet.
I didn't get to do any homework this week because
I actually wanted to here get to know you and
hear it from you firsthand, if that's okay.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Of course, of course I don't do these podcasts very often,
but I'm happy to work with you guys and to
get to know you all better. You know. So you
want me to introduce myself. I am a native of
West Virginia, very proud native of West Virginia. My career
has been primarily in journalism and also in academ and

(08:51):
I've lived now in ten states, which oh wow, that
I am. I'm down to one storage unit, which I know,
everyone please clap, but I live. I live in North
Carolina now and I work at a major private institution

(09:11):
that's pretty well known. I'm not going to name it,
but I have been a journalist. I worked in Washington,
d C. For a time. I work for several years
for people magazine, the celebrity publication.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I worked in public media and maybe my favorite job,
of course as teaching students that I've taught at five
universities now and I super love that part teaching journalism.
It's a tough time for journalism right now, but I still,
you know, think it's maybe one of the most important

(09:49):
jobs anyone could ever have. And I you know, honor
all my brethren out there who continue to do the
good and hard work. But you know, my journey to
bigfooting was not something that I sought out. And you know,
I have people in my world still who will say

(10:09):
to me that bigfoot thing that you talk about, You're
just joking, right, And I'm like, I'm not just joking,
and They're like, you know they I think they look
at me like anyone who's going to out themselves in
bigfoot world, you know, opens themselves up for scrutiny. And

(10:31):
there are a lot of really amazing people in this world,
very independent minded people. I feel like, you know, it
takes a certain independence to allow yourself to go down
this rabbit hole. And there are a lot of cranks
in this world too, But a part of me, one
of the reason why, reasons why I think I like
to tell this story occasionally is it's just the body

(10:55):
of knowledge. I think all of us out here involved
in this have a piece of this puzzle. They contribute
to the research. And you know, whether it's just kind
of quantitative or qualitative research, I mean storytelling, it's reporting

(11:15):
of incidents, it's just sharing these things. You know, we
really do have a growing body of research out there.
And so I just decided I'm getting older and I'm
just going to talk about it. And you know, if
you want to call me crazy behind my back, well okay,

(11:35):
then I'll accept that and I'll move on. But so
I'll just I'll just kick it off and you guys
please stop me and ask questions.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
And so, miss Andrew, I want to say something before
you get started, you know, getting into this and getting
over the hump of me telling my stories. I've realized
that the reaction of a lot of people it's because
it scares them. You know, they may laugh at all

(12:04):
or whatever. And you have people ask you, you know,
your kid, and right like, no, I'm not so it.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
Sometimes I wish I was kidding to.

Speaker 8 (12:15):
Be a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
All of that, all of that. So in twenty and fourteen,
I was living in mid Michigan, not in the rural
Upper Peninsula, but kind of in an area that was
is fairly populated. My partner, Steve, and I we bought

(12:41):
this really beautiful house in two thousand and nine. The
house plays a role in my journey, so i'd bring
this up. But the house is a modern house. The
whole back of our house was two stories with glass
ceiling two to a floor, and behind our house to

(13:04):
the left opened into a massive kind of forest trail system.
Directly behind us was sort of a wetland no one
could build and there were there was no one behind us,
so about maybe about sixty feet from the house, you
started to get cat tails and that kind of marshy area.

(13:24):
And our house, because of how it was situated, you know,
we pretty much always kept our blinds open because it's
just so beautiful and Michigan can be very gray, and
so we just kept kept that natural light coming in
all over. Our living areas were upstairs, our bedrooms and

(13:48):
offices were downstairs. And that's a part of how this
kind of plays into my journey. So I used to
walk maybe three or four times a week on this
trail system. If I went sort of down the street
from my house, maybe I could enter the woods. There's

(14:11):
a trailhead there and I could. I could walk for
miles out there. And I did it all the time.
I was doing it for fitness, doing it for peace
of mind. Just the forest is. It's an old growth
kind of forest with rustic trails in it and wetland areas.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
It's just beautiful and it sounds lovely.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Just one of the most underappreciated states, I must say.
And so I went out there, rain, snow, whatever, and
did my thing. And for the longest time there was
an area of that woods that I would not go into.
And I would joke with Steve. I'm like, I can't
walk that way because that's the enchanted forest.

Speaker 8 (15:00):
I use that phrase all the time.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yes, oh yeah, it gave me very visceral creeps. You
know how people talk about how they feel energy, Well,
this area is about maybe a mile and a half
into these woods, and it's dense. It's where trees are

(15:22):
so compacted. The canopy there, it's dark, right, And yeah,
it was just I would I would come up over
the hill and start to come to this area and
I would just get the creeps. I don't know why.
And this went on for years, literally, so we moved
there in two thousand and nine. So finally, I don't know,

(15:47):
maybe twenty thirteen. So I decided, this is stupid, you're
being a baby. Walk in there and see what you see.
And so I did go in there, and I found
this area that sort of pulls up off the trail,
and right there in the middle of it is something
that I called my Angel tree. And it's this giant

(16:11):
tree that had been hit by lightning at the top
of it. So when you look at the branches at
the top, you know, it kind of looks like an
angel that is standing there. And the part of the
tree that got knocked out by lightning is sort of
right beside it. And I would go out to this
tree area, and sometimes I would take a little pocket

(16:35):
New Testament. I'm my Christian believer, and I would just
take my book out there and I would sit down
in there, all kinds of pine needles on the floor right,
and I would sit in front of my tree and
I would read my Bible and meditate and pray, and
it just became a little ritual for me. I decided

(16:56):
it wasn't scary there, and that the Angel Tree is
my favorite space. And behind the Angel Tree, if you
could look at this kind of like a bowl, and
you know, it opened up one of my friends. I
have two three squatching partners that are my rider dies,
my friends Jim and Tim in Michigan, and my friend

(17:18):
Courtney in Florida. But Jim and Tim would always say,
this looks like a meeting place because it's sort of
carved out this kind of round space.

Speaker 8 (17:29):
The Lord the rings kind of round table vibes there.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
It's still magical and it's peaceful. And anyways, long story short,
I would go out there and I would do my thing,
and I was doing the same thing over and over.
Sometimes I think that predictability in this is very meaningful.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I was not a threat. While I am a Second
Amendment proponent. I never took a firearm out there in
those woods. I took a cell phone and and that
little New Testament, and so I was not in the
big footing world at all. I had heard of it.

(18:19):
That's Jim and Tim out there by the Angel Tree
in the winter. I went out there not looking for anything.
So it's a spring morning and I was working from
home and I go out there. It's still chilly, and

(18:43):
I do the same thing. I come and I sit
down in front of my tree, and the trail is
sort of down here, and I walk up to the
tree it sort of sits up here, and almost immediately
I felt anxiety. I felt that it's that strange feeling,

(19:06):
you know. I'm like I saw people in the woods
sometimes out there, people would cross country ski and occasionally
would trail run out there. This is not hyper rural,
I want to be really clear about that, but this
on this one day, I just sat there and just
sort of a wave of fear came over me. And

(19:28):
I just never really had that. Maybe I should have
been more careful, but you know, your brain tries to
talk you out of it. Don't be stupid. You know
you've done this a hundred times before. And ALI went
to the hair on my arm stood up, and I
felt like the back of my neck, you know, that
kind of hyper visceral response that somebody would have. And

(19:53):
something told me to get up, and I did stand up,
and I turned to my right and started to walk
maybe the five or six steps that it would take
me to get back down on this trail. Right, this
is this is again it's daytime and it's sunny, and

(20:16):
for whatever reason, I looked back to my left over
my shoulder, and you know, I want to say, maybe
thirty yards away was something red that was standing there.
And the color of this, you know, stands out because

(20:39):
there are some pine scrubs there, and whatever it was
was not hyper concealed. And immediately whatever it was, it
threw its arm up and went straight to all four

(21:00):
and went over an embankment, so behind where it was standing,
and how this trail is situated. You walk around, down
and around, and the trail comes down and there are
embankments on both sides of this, maybe five and a
half six feet in embankments. Right, this is a rolling
forest that's there, so not flat terrain. So all behind

(21:25):
me it drops off into a wetland. You know, it's
just rolling. But whatever it was dropped to all forests
and it moved like lightning. I mean, it was down
and over to the point where I just stopped in
my tracks and said, what did I see? What did
I see? Like my brain is trying to go to

(21:47):
things that are known, and you know, I remember thinking,
was that like a fox? You know what is red
in the forest? You know, flying squirrel? No, I'm like no.
Suddenly I'm realizing that I saw something physically upright and
it moved like lightning, and you know, you wonder what

(22:09):
you're going to do in this situation. But I made
my way to the trail and started to walk toward it.
I may have taken four or five steps on that
trail and then I stopped, and I was shaking at
this point, and I was like, I'm a mile and

(22:30):
a half from the trailhead, I am alone, and I
think I saw something that looks like Bigfoot, you know,
I mean, what other thing do you have to compare
it to. I always tell people now that I wish
I could could go into like a hypnotic state where

(22:52):
I could remember more things, because people in Bigfoot world
always ask what did its face look like? Blood of
blood of blood? And the answer I have for that is,
I'm not sure what I used to remember. What I
most remember is that it was not giant wide, nor

(23:15):
was it eight feet tall. I'm going to guess that
whatever it was was six feet little more than six
feet tall. I just have a very fast snapshot. But
the thing I always will remember and that lives in
my mind is that this I believe, this creature, this
forest person, creature's not the right word, threw its hand

(23:38):
up to propel it, and I saw hair, and the
hair was being moved. That's the picture that will always
live with me. This thing was not like bear, for
there was something stringy hanging from its arm, like it's long.
And so after coming to my senses and thinking, oh,

(24:03):
dear God, I'm alone. I don't have a weapon on me,
I don't have anything, I turned around and did something
that I don't do a lot, which is run like hell.

Speaker 9 (24:15):
And I understandably, so I took off running and I
ran around that trail, out of the enchanted forest, across
a marsh, up another hill till I was so frightened
that I just was running out of breath like gasping.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
And I remember I sat down on a log because
I just couldn't put together what had happened to me.
But I was now I was panicked, and I was
nowhere near that trailhead, by the way, nowhere near. So
I sit on this log briefly, and the forest pitches

(24:52):
up from where I'm looking and all it went, something
really strange happens, and that is that a log came
out of a tree, a really tall tree. And I
think about these are and I'm not really looking at
pines as much as hardwoods, really old. But a log
came out of a tree. And what was really what
really got me is that it was not crashing in

(25:16):
over end. It was coming out of this tree like
horizontally right, and I watched it fall and it hit
the forest, hit the ground, and it sounded like a
cannon went off. Oh my gracious. And my only thought,
right or wrong at that time, was is something following me?

(25:39):
Is something? Is something trying to scare me or push
me out of here? Because how could something like that
fall out of a tree? And you know, your mind
is just rolling at that point, and so of course
I stand back up and I do run. I ran
all the way home. I remember sitting on the porch

(26:00):
of my house thinking what just happened to me? Do
I even trust what happened to me? Like I feel
like my whole world just got shattered, and I'm like
this just can't be see my voice is rising, I
can feel myself to shake when I.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Talk about in just a second. Yeah, so some of
the things you said, I know how it is when
when you see this thing that it's not supposed to exist,
it your mind can't go in all the different directions
it needs to go. But just a few details that
you picked up from coaching football for years. When we

(26:43):
teach the guys to step, you take this arm and
swing to get your momentum to actually turn. Like you said, also,
mountain lions will swing that tail if they turn around
and do a one eighty, they'll swing that tail to help.
And so and then you said it dropped off and

(27:04):
you started trying to talk yourself out of what you
saw immediately. That's totally natural. You're trying to go through
and and the details you're given. You even go, what's
that color? And but nothing that you know of that
color is that size. But all the details you just
gave is for something that normally walks on two legs,

(27:29):
you know, to change direction and all that. So I
love those details. A lot of people don't point stuff
like that out, but I understand the point of trying
to talk yourself out of what you just saw, too.
So yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt. But I didn't want
to forget that. That's that's very important, I think, to

(27:52):
give those, like you said, those pieces of the puzzle
for other people.

Speaker 6 (27:56):
I agree. And you also mentioned something that I feel
as well. Not trying to make it about me, but
I have several times have wanted, like, you know, if
like maybe somebody could hypnotize me somewhere I could remember
more details about my particular experience, because I'm like, did
I remember.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
Very similar experience?

Speaker 6 (28:19):
Yeah, And Dig said to you, in the color the
red that you were describing is actually very similar to
the creature that I saw. It was very red and
orange in color and different things. So yeah, I've You're
not the only one who's had that same thought. I've
actually even heard that from other witnesses that I've talked

(28:39):
to as well. And there's also there's folks out there
now too that do witness sketch drawings and things of
these creatures to help people in processing that. So I
don't know if that's something that you would be interested
in or if I'm just dropping that in for me

(29:00):
out there, for our listeners and for people who are
watching that you know, those kind of options are out
there for you.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Sure. I know I know some people who do that too.
Hm hmm. I'm just not sure that I got the
kind of look that makes a sketch worthwhile. I wish
I had looked at in the face maybe, but that
that that might have been even worse.

Speaker 6 (29:25):
But I mean, I just understand completely.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I have to conclude that this creature had probably seen
me many times in that woods.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
I'm gonna I'm going to say that probably followed me
for sure. I know that they followed me home, and
I'll tell you more about how I know how I
came to realize that too. But I think it watched me.
It was standing there as still as can be while
I was sitting with a tree, and I just had,

(30:05):
you know, it was just that moment when I looked
back over my shoulder that it knew it was seen,
you know, and it just moved like lightning to evade,
you know, to get into a safe, safe position. So
I went, I ran back to my house and no
one was home, and I just didn't know where to

(30:26):
put it. So I'll skip a little bit and just
say that after that, as a journalist, I just started
to go down the rabbit hole of trying to determine
what I saw. You know, I had heard about Bigfoot,
I'd seen the patterns of Gimlin footage. I wasn't not
a believer, like I believed in the possibility of Bigfoot

(30:47):
being real, but I didn't know anybody who was a
bigfoot er at that point, and I didn't know people
in this world. I think one of the things about
being in journalism is you you look for the experts,
right you have you you sort out information by finding
experts to talk about that. And so I began a strange,

(31:08):
an odd quest to email and Facebook message a bunch
of people who did not know who I was. And
at that point, I'm sure they thought, oh, here is
some crazy, crazy girl. You know, who's who's asking me
for answers. But I was just without I just didn't care.
I'm like, tell me what you know, tell me what
you know. I mean, before it was over, I was

(31:29):
reading anthropology journals like scholarly journals and whatever, just searching
for to put some meaning behind this. And you know,
I did meet some people who were very generous with
their time, who who began to explain things to me.
And I mean, and a lot of the explanations, you know,
started to go down that wu path, right, which is

(31:52):
a place that I now live in. I'll just say
that straight up. Do I think that bigfoot Sasquatch is
lesh and blood? I do do. I think it's something
much more. I one hundred percent do. And but it didn't.
It took me a long while to sort of reconcile that,
because it had it had to happen to me as

(32:14):
a journalist. You know, you're you're like we tell people,
don't take someone's word for it. Don't let someone tell
you it's raining, Open the door and step outside, right.
I had to make this make sense to to myself,
and so I did that. I found people who sort
of took me along and explain some things to me.

(32:38):
So at that point, I didn't know anything about vocalizations.
I didn't know anything about structures. I didn't know anything
about glyphs. I didn't know anything about sightings and BFRO
databases and all the things that people in this world
now talk about. But I sort of educated myself and.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
I can miss Andrea, can I can I please interrupt you?
So I just I just have to applaud you for
your sincerity and your boldness to be on this show.
We know it's not easy, and just hearing your story,
I I, like Amanda said, went in blind. I sometimes

(33:20):
I do research on our guests. Sometimes I don't just because,
but I wanted to kind of go and blind to this.
And I am just so thankful that you are not
only here with us and safe and everything's great, but
that you would share these kind of intimate details and
again just applaud you. While not a journalist myself, I

(33:40):
am a journalist at heart, and I have I have
lots of questions.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Well, well, you know, please please please stop me. I
would I would love it if you would just guide
me with any questions, because you know I'm Southern. We
do tell a long story, you know. I mean, I
think this has been a big evolution over more than
a decade. And I came to realize after that that

(34:12):
I had never been alone in those woods, and I
was being communicated with over and over again, and I
did not understand what was happening. You know, the things
that other people have described in lots of accounts, But
things are being left on my back porch right. I

(34:33):
was being gifted things, weird things, pieces of metal, pieces,
of glass, a toy car. You know. Maybe the weirdest
thing that ever landed on that back porch was like
a leaf that had been rolled up, and inside of

(34:56):
it were mouse parts, not the whole mouse, mouse parts.
And what's really funny to me is that in my
real life I love mice. If you see me post
on Facebook, I post ninety percent of the time about mice.
So it's a strange little talisman there. I don't know
if that was a food gift or you know, you

(35:20):
could conclude that a neighborhood cat left that to me,
But I don't know any cats that could roll up something.
You know, it's such an odd thing to get. But
things would land on my back porch, not every day,
but occasionally. I once came home from a walk in
the woods and there was a maple leaf that was
stuffed in the handle of my door to our bedroom.

(35:45):
You know, I told you we kept the blinds open
in a house, so essentially, if you're in the woods,
we are a terrarium. You see everything going on in
this house, you know, like for right or for wrong.
I mean, I would wake up in the morning deer,
wild turkey. Everything in my backyard just staring at me.
That's how close to the woods I was. And so

(36:06):
but when this gifting thing was going on, I was like,
I mean clueless, and I started just kind of putting
two and two together. Oh, they live gifts, Oh they
And then someone said, and you can gift them back,
which many of us have done. And I would go
back out to my angel tree and the log that

(36:27):
got knocked out of it from the lightning, I would
gift on and and it worked. It worked, you know,
and I sort of slowly got inte integrated into the
whole Bigfoot world and started to make a lot of
sense to me, and I got less scared. People always say,

(36:52):
so you went back to the woods, and I was like,
I went back almost every day, and I would by
myself usually until I met these really good friends in Michigan.
So what you're looking at right there, this is my
forest right behind my house here in North Carolina. I
have managed to live and the woods in a trail

(37:15):
system again, and I'm being glyphed out there, and I
glyph and there's all kinds of things, structures and everything.
Right behind my house, about twenty feet behind my back
deck is the woods that go on for miles. So

(37:36):
what you're showing there the X and stuff have you,
it's right back out there.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Have you come up. We have a good friend that's
a researcher from Ohio and he came up with his
own glyph that he leaves that's his signature, so to speak.
And he's actually had him make that glyph close to
his porch later. So is that something you've done, like
you've got your own that you leave on design?

Speaker 3 (38:04):
So, yes, that the A that you showed me right there,
I didn't make that, but that's a part of the glyph.
I always glyff and have glyphed for ten years. I
glyph an A with a pine cone to the to
the very right of the bottom that's in the woods
behind my house. And I have to be honest with you,
I'm jumping around here and I used to do. But

(38:26):
I have found this same symbology in five or six states.
I've found it in Oregon, I found it in Washington,
I found it in Florida. I've found it in North Carolina.
I found it in West Virginia. And you know that's
why I believe that there's something to this universal kind
of symbology. A lot of people don't read it. They

(38:47):
don't put a lot of cloud behind these structures. But
I would beg to disagree. I think they are all
communications symbols, and I'm sure of it. So I'll just
I'll share this and then I'm just gonna let you
ask me questions. But great, I behind my house sometimes

(39:11):
not always. I have a fairly demanding job. Four days ago,
I went into my woods. I have a place out there,
a stone in an area where I will leave apples,
or I'll leave pretty stones, I'll leave rocks. I'll just
typically leave something there. And I hadn't been out for

(39:35):
a long time, I mean a long time. I'd actually
had a situation here where somebody followed me in the woods,
actually a human being that gave me great pause. And
I didn't go back out there alone, but I did,
like four days ago. See, I cannot stop myself, so
I was really just walking just to move, to get
my body moving. You know, it's so meditative in the forest,

(39:57):
and so it is so good, you know, forest bath
is so good. But I go out to my little
area again, I'm very predictable. I walk the same route
and I come up to my little area and I
see the little stone, and I didn't bring anything to gift,
and I swear to you. Right there to the left
of that stone is an X an X that has torn, broken,

(40:23):
off ends and it's not big. It's probably two feet
by two feet right, and it's right there. And I'm like,
I think that's for me. I think that's an acknowledgment.
And this is the hoodoo voodoo part of this, but
I think that's an acknowledgment that, oh, you came back
to the woods and we knew you were coming. I'll
believe that forever, because it's just too too strangely circumstantially,

(40:48):
you know. And so yeah, I'll stop here and I'll
let you talk, because I have a lot of other
things that have happened to me as I sort of
got deeper into all of this, I've done some pretty
dangerous what I call a dangerous things.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Well, you know what happens is you start from zero knowledge,
like all of us do, and then you start learning
these things and at first it sounds weird, but then
you know, you mentioned talking to Robin on another show.
I know Robin also, and she knows this. I told

(41:25):
I interviewed her when I first started, and a lot
of it didn't makes sense. Well, now that I've been
out in the woods and paying attention, it makes more
sense to me. And the more things that you learn,
the more things you see which people that don't care,
they just walk right by it and don't investigate it.
Right and it so like I have a question just

(41:47):
for this right here. Wow, this is there by chance
either water or a creek either directly behind the person
taking a picture or down that way?

Speaker 6 (42:00):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Do you do you remember?

Speaker 3 (42:02):
So this this is here in North Carolina. It's on
the path that I walk. There are actually double arches
there right now in this season out there there's not
water there. Directly behind my house, there is a running

(42:24):
creek that trails it's it's not near there, but there
is water nearby there. This this area where this arch is,
there are some structure logs there that are very unusual.

(42:45):
And two years ago there were some teepee structures that
that pulled up very near there. This archway has energetics.
I'll just say that it feels energetic, always has and
this around this area. You know, I saw some TP
structures and they were added to and added to. That's

(43:08):
in Michigan, and that's there, you go, that's there's your
kind of that's what I'm talking about. A TV structure.
And then they were gone, and then they were gone.
They're they're no longer. When I was out here there,
most recently here in North Carolina, the previous TV structures
were gone. Could could someone have done that? Of course,
of course someone could have dismantled them, But someone could

(43:30):
not drape these these giant tree bins by themselves. That
the two that are out there now are heavily pinned
over that uh walkway there, they're pinned down. You know,
I should take some pictures. I have some pictures of it,

(43:50):
you know. Sometimes I'll take pictures and sometimes I don't.
And sometimes I feel kind of instructed to take pictures,
and that is very fruitful. And I have pictures that
I've taken years ago, and I'll pull them back up
and then start to go through them and be like, okay,
there's some there's something in this picture, you know. And

(44:13):
people send me things and say, I don't think you
were alone and here's why, you know how that is.
And then you have other people saying this is just paradoia,
and you you know, I'm sure some of it is,
and I'm not discounting that.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
But you know, Andrew, we we we've talked about I
try to figure out ways where everybody can be a
little bit right, you know. And I was talking to
some buddies and and you know, the wu came up
and of course they were at that time they were

(44:51):
kind of laughing at all or whatever. I said. Just
think about this. We're all built different.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
We are.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Our eyes and our brains they all work different. What
if something people can see things we can't. That's more
scary to me than and I've seen things myself. So
I think a lot of times the individual is unique.
You know. So if you you show me a picture

(45:19):
and you say, Roger, look at this. You see that
right there? And if I'm if I'm being honest and
I'm comfortable with you, you know, either I do and I
say yes, or I say I don't. Can you point
it out? Well? I have pictures where I see things
that other people don't, So we don't know.

Speaker 8 (45:38):
Everybody makes fun of the red circles until you need one.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yeah, can you put one around it for me? And
then but we have friends like that that show us
things and and but we're comfortable enough to say no,
I don't, can you point it out to me? And
they don't get upset. So we're trying to bridge build
a bridge, so to speak, in between the the different comps.
And I think it's worked a little bit where like

(46:03):
be a little more open minded and don't just dismiss
what this person's saying because you don't understand it.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
So yeah, I think that you are right. I think
what we're seeing right now is a certain seed change
in bigfoot world, right in the whole community. For people
who previously wouldn't even talk about the WU, would be
dismissive of people are now like, too many people are
talking about this. They're having the same kind of experience.

(46:32):
We can't just consistently dismiss this, And a lot of
them will couch it and say, but we really don't
know what we're dealing with. And I mean that is true,
we really don't know what we're dealing with. But I
mean there are some hundreds of people who are dealing
with the same thing that something is happening, right.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
I think I've seen some die hard famous people that
dismiss the WU come out publicly and say We've got
to start looking into this because there's people that I
know and trust researchers that are having experiences in the
same areas. We don't know how they're connected, like you said,

(47:11):
but maybe it's just the area. Maybe it's the you know,
quartz rocks, maybe it's the you know whatever, the natural
things that are there. But I think for me starting
out with flesh and blood only from my fourteen year
old self seeing a bigfoot to now, I have to
keep an open mind because I've seen too many strange

(47:33):
things with my own eyes with witnesses there.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
So yeah, So, I mean, you know this in Michigan,
after that first sighting happened to me, all kinds of
crazy things happened in that woods. I mean, all kinds
of weirdness went down out there. My friends Tim and Jim,
who are both experiencers and that were really really my
they're they're they're my trust team. They always go out

(47:58):
in the woods with me. They've experienced some of these
things too. I've been talked to. I've had something say
something to me out there and say hello in a
very mechanical voice. We've seen like predator plasma out there
at dusk like floating predator plasma, you know, all the vocalizations.

(48:21):
You know, I didn't even know what a wood knock was,
and then suddenly, you know, I'm like, well, you know
it just it just starts to stagger you once you
start to put two and two together. You know, Jim
and Tim were really kept me from losing it, you know,
and Robin to a degree too. I mean, Robin really

(48:44):
explained some things to me that were just straight up crazy,
but they gave context to me in such a way
that I'm like, that's undeniable. So I have some you know,
I would say this, I have some things that I
think about this now, and they're wholly based on my experience,
says m H. I think that these beings kind of

(49:05):
a being.

Speaker 6 (49:07):
Like that word as well, discription animals.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
They are nothing like this the they they are brilliant
and always not like us, but but like us in
a way, I think. But I think they are brilliant
in their capacity. They have gifts that we haven't cultivated. Right,

(49:32):
But I've always said this and I will. I will
take this one to the grave. But once they know that,
you know, they're they're always going to come around you.
If you let them right there is hasn't been a
place that I lived where I haven't had weirdness happen
almost immediately here I was teaching in Florida there. I mean,

(49:57):
just this, It's almost like someone has followed you and
is knocking on your door and you can dismiss it
for over and over, and sometimes I do, you know,
and then something will happen and you're like, I can't
dismiss that. It's almost like once they know that you know,

(50:23):
and it's just undeniable and you have interacted with them
in ways, somebody else is going to pick you up
wherever you land. You know.

Speaker 8 (50:33):
It's so true.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I was in West Virginia working for a couple of years,
and this was during part of the covid era, and
one year Steve and I for our birthdays, we decided
we would go up to this area called Dolly Sides
in West Virginia. And we we didn't go up there

(50:58):
to Bigfoot. We were just going to sell our birthdays
in a remote place where we didn't have to wear
masks and could be out in the open. And one
day we just got in our car and drove out
in the middle of nowhere, and parked our car on
the side of the road. We saw like a service
road that went up the side of this mountain and
we're just like, screw it. We're just we're gonna hike it.

(51:21):
It was beautiful day. It was in late September, and
this is a kind of a big hike up the hill.
And Steve is much more He's a runner, he's much
more fit than I am. And so we started climbing
and got up around a bin and all at once smack,

(51:42):
big wood knock, and Steve turns around and looks at
me and goes, what was that. And I'm like I
just kind of stood there incredulous, and he goes, oh,
I know, it's bigfoot, and he kind of teases me,
you know, he puts up with some of this, and.

Speaker 8 (52:00):
So I.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Was a little bit shocked. I just hadn't. I wasn't
out there to bigfoot. So we continued to walk up
up this kind of ridge line going up to and
we come to another kind of plateau and we get whooped.
It's sure as shooting. We just got whooped. And Steve
turns around and he goes, now that was weird.

Speaker 8 (52:24):
Yeah, like a quick attitude adjustment in the woods.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
So, you know, I feel like I'm being punked at
this point because I'm like, you got to be kidding me.
So we walk all the way up to the top
of this ridge line you can see all over. It's
interesting up there. There is a two footed trackway that
goes back into the tree line and what have you.
And I thought, you know, this is the most beautiful

(52:51):
area ever. And we just sat in the sunshine and
enjoyed it and stayed up there for a while. And
we came back down this trail the same way we
came in. And I'm not kidding it. There were two
turkey feathers. Turkey feathers long jammed into this trail. Wow,

(53:13):
they're standing straight up, two of them. And Steve goes,
what is that? And I said, those are feathers and
he goes, they're sticking up from the ground. And then
I was almost certain that something was telling me that
we see you and yes it's us. And how could

(53:34):
that even possibly happen? Now, I mean, could someone have
done that? I guess certainly they could have, but I
don't believe that's what happened. I believe that we got
followed up that hill, and this is this is a
great place for something to not be seen. And those turkey,
those feathers were an acknowledgment, you know. And I've had

(54:01):
those things happen all over feathers in the vehicle that
other people have had these experiences too, you know. So
so yeah, I'm jumping all over the place. But when
I say that you're fine, this is great, and and
and you have this kind of activity, I have good

(54:24):
I'm going to conclude that some of it is not
an accident. M I feel almost I almost feel like
I can feel presence now, you know. I know, I
know what's around around me. It's just it's an energetic
kind of thing. And I still get unnerved. I'm not

(54:44):
gonna lie to you. You know, I I get unnerved.
But I always have really great activity when I'm alone.
You know, I'm defenseless, really, I mean, if you just
look get the landscape. Although I don't believe that Sasquatch
is inherently violent, that somebody's out there trying to get me,

(55:08):
I think some I think it's more curiosity of me
and what is my intention? And I do think that
some of the relationships that people develop are based on intention,
I might I conclude that that they have a heightened
sense of knowing.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
Oh, they absolutely do.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Miss Andrew. We have a very smart group of people
that watch the shows, smarter than I am by far.
And VARIAX always has good questions. He has a question,
you can I ask it. Okay, So he said, Andrew,
have you researched ancient glyphs or have you figured out

(55:53):
what some of the glyphs that you have found mean?
Also have you ever found gifts inside your home?

Speaker 3 (56:02):
So yes, and yes, yes.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
Yeah, yeah. Researching a lot of the glyphs and ancient
languages and things like that. Symbolism, and that's something I've
been wanting to dig tip dip my toes into.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, I think that, you know, some people have pointed
to like ruine symbology runs and I have looked at
those things, and I'm not discounting them. I think there's
a language to glyphs. I think in a lot of instances,
I think glyphs are personal, like they're they're intended. I'm

(56:53):
not talking about universal kind of glyphs, right, or universal symbols,
but I think sometimes glyphs come to people. And I
have friends who live all over who know who who
say they know what this glyph means to them? Right,
So I'll tell you this story. So I was out

(57:14):
in Washington State with my friend Courtney, who was a
television broadcaster, really talented young woman, owns a beverage company
in Miami now and she and I have have squatched
together a lot, and we went out to the Counault Rainforests, gorgeous,

(57:35):
amazing area. Courtney grew up in Olympia, Washington. She's lived
like me, all over the all over the world. But she,
she and I went out there together and we were
just gonna squatch and see what we see. We didn't
really have any plans. And so here we are out
there in the middle of the woods and we're climbing

(57:56):
over rocks, and that area is damp, and it's every
thing is moss covered. It really is like hobbit Land.
You know, it's intoxicating to be out there that we're
crawling over things. And I remember hauling myself over a
deadfall log and I looked something said, just looked down.

(58:17):
And I don't have a picture to show you, but
I have a picture of this there on the ground
is this glyph. It is undeniably a glyph, and it
has many broken pieces of branches and forests kind of detritus.
But this is what it looks like. It looks like

(58:39):
somebody doing a yoga pose, like when somebody bends backwards
and points there feet up in the air. It is
that's exactly what this glyph is. And I turned to
Courtney and I said, this is not for me, It's
for you, because Courtney is an accomplished yogi she she

(59:02):
was a championship NCAA championship platform diver, and she is
somebody who is always she she was out there on
the lake doing yoga poses just like this where we
stayed at the lodge there, and she every morning she
would go out there and do these poses, which I
cannot do right this for me, I would be in

(59:25):
traction and hospitalized. But I'm like, that is you. Somebody
something has glyphed you. And she goes, oh my god,
I mean she's She was like, really, you know, touched,
I think by it, and you know, you can and
people can laugh me out of the room, but I

(59:47):
really believe that was an acknowledgment for her.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
You know, it truly sounds like it it was.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
It was. Inarguably that's exactly what it was. I mean,
it wasn't even a little little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:00:01):
So yourself leave anything behind or make any mark to
counter it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
You know, I can't remember if if if she, if
we did that, I don't know, I'm getting old remember
what we did. But it was very spiritual place. I
lets just say, you know, very spiritual and wild, just

(01:00:30):
just wild. There's so much reverence. You know, when you
look into those woods, I picture a family of people
living there. You know, it's like, oh, this is your home,
this is your beautiful home. You know, wouldn't I wouldn't
dream of defiling it or coming into it with with
ill intention, you know. I mean it just causes you
to go to that space and say, yes, this this.

(01:00:54):
If you think that something can't exist and never be seen,
you walk into that for us. And I'll tell you that,
you know, something who was good at evasion could be
evaded for a very long time. I would just do that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
So this is just speculation, but I feel like your
first encounter that opened your you know, opened you up
to all this. I feel like they're drawn to your calmness,
the curious and we've had you know, you talked a
lot of researchers that's been doing this a long time,

(01:01:30):
and you said it was about a six footer. A
lot of your juveniles are more curious, you know, so
it sounds like, you know, with you like repetition, going
to this one spot and reading a book, you're doing
something that they probably don't see much. And you know
that just I keep going back to that because I

(01:01:51):
was definitely safe.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
You know, I wasn't threat there's no threatening to un behavior,
and I was predictable, which I think. I think, you know,
if you want something to interact with, you be wholly predictable.
I always when I hear people say things like we're
going on a sasquatch hunt, I'm like, you're not hunting anything, No,

(01:02:13):
you're not, and no no, I mean you hear these
stories about hunters looking through a scope and making this
eye contact and being like, oh no, no, no, I'm
looking at something that's sentient and you know you can't
shoot that, and I sort of sort of get that,

(01:02:36):
you know, I guess I am calm, but I would
just say to everybody that this experience has really opened
me up to greater world around me. You know, I
think that for sure, there's another world that's happening right

(01:03:02):
around me. I suspect it's right outside my door. You know,
you asked me how things have happened here. Things I've
been left inside my house before. And I'll tell another
story that has to do with Robin, which will make
me sound crazier than I you know, if you think
I'm batch it right now, whoever's out there listening, sorry
for the foul word if you think this is crushing

(01:03:25):
for you. But I I where I live is I
have a townhouse, a very large townhouse that's right on
the tree line, and I have a deck behind me.
The first night that we moved in here, the master
suite is downstairs. This is a three story townhouse. Master

(01:03:46):
suitet is downstairs. There's a deck right outside of the
master suite. And Steve was like, we moved in June,
and he goes, it's hot. I'm going to open the
window and just let some fresh air come in from
the woods back there. You know, the breeze is so
nice and what have you. And so when you move,
you know you're tired. Well, Steve falls asleep immediately and

(01:04:09):
I'm just laying there, wide awake, you know. I'm like,
I'm exhausted at carrying boxes, you know how it is.
And I kid you not. It's one in the morning
and I hear knock knock knock in those woods and
I'm like, the welcome wagon has come. And I'm like,

(01:04:32):
am I just delusional? I'm like, because I couldn't believed
that you could not make this up. I mean, if
someone really wanted to get to me, I'm like, well done,
because I just laid there and I'm like, okay, okay,
how do you do. I'm back, I'm here, I'm your friend. Hello.
You know, I'm sort of laughing to myself, but I

(01:04:52):
can't even believe it. But there have been three times
since I've lived here over two ears, where there have
been long, bony fingerprints.

Speaker 8 (01:05:07):
With thank you no thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
The storm door outside the door of my house is
not in the front. There's a garage, but the actual
door is up like four four steps, like five foot high,
on the side of my house, right near the woods.
And I have found these bony fingerprints sideways, like something

(01:05:32):
touched this way right on a storm door, and they
have dermal ridges on them and hair flicks. And you know,
a friend of mine said, well, could that have been
a bear or something? But they look like fingerprints and
maybe it's just you know, the mailman with really long
bony fingers.

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
There anything there that the hand could have been resting
on and the side of it pressed against.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
No, there's just this a clear glass storm door, and
then there's a big heavy wood door behind that. But
you have to come up like four stairs to get
to that landing to that door. You just don't walk
up to it. Right.

Speaker 8 (01:06:13):
It almost reminds me of like somebody doing one of
these too, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
That's exactly what it looks like. And I'm not saying
it's sasquatch, but I'm saying it's weird. And it's hard
to take a picture of. I've tried to, by the way,
by the way that it's oriented because it's clear glass, right,
But when you get right up to it, you see
those dromal ridges and I'm like, that's definitely some thing's hand.

(01:06:40):
But the flick little flickies of hair that you see
there in that when you know, when you get good condensation,
you know, and you can see it, and it almost
felt like it had the print had texture to it, right.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Collected similar and you're right, taking picture on glass is tough.
So did it look like it was like natural balls?
And then the dust got on from the air or something.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Made it stick, not not heavy greasy, but enough that
it lasted for a time. And what was odd is
that dust did get into it and you could see
those hair flicks so much better when the dust came.
I have a lot of pollen here, you.

Speaker 10 (01:07:29):
Know, and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
I've always thought thought that was weird. It creeped me
out the first time I saw it. I'm like, oh no, no, no,
you know, and you know, in my mind, I'm like,
you gots.

Speaker 8 (01:07:45):
The time you see one of those Andrea talk powder.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Yeah, yeah, I should have dusted it. I know everybody
said that.

Speaker 8 (01:07:53):
Well, well and think about it way after the fact.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
And the thing too, it's like if you're dealing with
them at the house, you know that they're and it's
not really like you're research. And so there's been times
where we've seen them some amazing things and just didn't
I don't cast prints. I mean I four times in
my life I found prints, and I don't care anything
with me because there's so many of them, you know.

(01:08:19):
I guess I would like to have one from my
own personal collection. But uh, but the point is, the
more things that happen kind of you don't you're not
as concerned about. You're not really trying to prove it
to anybody because you know it's real.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Well, I'm not trying to prove it to anybody. I
know that. You know. Sometimes I've talked about it on
Facebook or what have you, because I have a lot
of squatchy friends, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:08:49):
A lot more after Madria here, who are.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Far more expertise than I do, and I respect them.
But I've had a couple of times to people to
private message, you know, and say hey, can I get
the coordinates of your sighting?

Speaker 8 (01:09:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
And you know what, I say, no? And the reason
why isn't that I don't want you to to do
your thing. It's like I feel a little protective over
what I believe is out there, Like I don't want
you trumping in my woods. I don't want you to
go on a big fit hunt. Okay, not a hunt.
You're you're hunting something that's way ahead of you, way

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way beyond you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
And absolutely and yet you've made such a connection with
these beings as well, and they've made such a connection
with you. I definitely wouldn't want anybody to mess with them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
No, I feel like that why they voted anyway, because
the history between us and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Them, you know, I can't blame them for wanting to
stay away from people. People that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:49):
Yeah, I don't at all people suck.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Yeah, and so let me let me I'll let you
ask me some questions, but I'll share this thing with
about what Robin said to me later on, because this
is just beyond beyond. Yeah. If anyone has any questions,
I'm happy to respond.

Speaker 8 (01:10:14):
I do, I do. Okay, I'm going to shotgun some
of these, miss Andrew only because I actually am short
on time. I have to unfortunately leave this conversation in
the next little bit here. But I would love to
connect with you after this because I don't know how

(01:10:35):
many will be able to get through, depending on answers
and if anybody else wants to jump in with their
own questions. So, in no particular order, I just want
to start by what year was your home built? Do
you do you recall the house.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
That we had was built. I'm going to say probably,
and then mid to late nineties.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
So well before you guys were there, right, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
A builder home.

Speaker 8 (01:11:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh interesting because it makes you wonder
who the what the previous tenants maybe we're seeing or experiencing.
I wanted to ask also kind of as a joke,
that you get a good deal on the house, but
you know, maybe they were in a hurry to sell.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
No, I want to go back there. We we left
there because of our work, but I mean I would
go back there in a heartbeat. And to be honest
with you, I go back to that woods every year
at Christmas time. I've found two snow trackways out there.
Not in consecutive years, but we've found two snow track

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ways out there, undeniable trackways. But I go back there
all the time. I go hug my tree.

Speaker 8 (01:11:51):
On the Angel tree.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Yeah oh yeah. I told Steve I'd like to be
buried there, and he said that would be against you
all probably, But I said, you have a good in
a suitcase.

Speaker 8 (01:12:05):
What kind of experience did you have with nature prior
to your encounter.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
I'm gonna be honest with you, I was the woman
least likely to ever be in any woods times one hundred,
I think the last before I started doing some campouts,
and I've done some interesting ones out in the Pacific Northwest.

(01:12:32):
But I was the girl who hated Girl Scout camp
because I didn't want to get dirty. I didn't like bugs.
And I mean I'm highly unnatural. I mean, this hair
color does not grow in nature. Okay, I penciled my
eyebrows in before I talk to you. I'm not a
nature girl the way. Anyways, I'm really good at this,

(01:12:55):
but none I lived in. This house was the most
beautiful place I'd ever lived in. It's not the I
owned houses before then and other places, but I'd never
planned to live in this kind of area. We just
fell in love with this house and it put me
right there. And I mean, I don't know. I suspect

(01:13:17):
that I was supposed to do this, and it's kind
of a trajectory that teed up in my life. I
just don't think there are accidents in the universe. To
be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
I agree, agreed.

Speaker 8 (01:13:28):
Yeah, I have a couple of more, but guys, I
don't want to steal like no, please do please watch
Did you have a question?

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Well, I've got a good one from Verax again. Uh,
he's had some terrifying encounters. He's trying to what he's
trying to do is hear more stories like yours, where
it's more calm. You know, so it says, Andrea, you've
described a paradigm shifting encounter. How did that moment affect

(01:13:56):
your worldview? Your work and your role is both investigator
and communit that's a tough one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I mean, I guess that. You know, I've lived a
whole life where work has been the most compelling feature
of my life. Right, It's hard to be someone who
works in news and not be all in. It's just consumptive,

(01:14:28):
and I love that. I love that. But I'm somebody
who really draws inward. And I feel like this experience
has pushed me way out of my comfort zone and
it's made me more brave. I guess in my approach, like,
I don't mean that I'm not fearful in the woods.

(01:14:48):
I'm very fearful, and I continue to do stupid things
in the woods because I am so consumed with wanting
to know. Like I've I've squatched by myself in mammoth
caves at night.

Speaker 6 (01:15:07):
That's very brave.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
I never believe I did it and probably would do
it again. And you know, it really has driven me
out of my kind of shell. I think that it's
there's a great vulnerability and all this. I feel pretty
sure I'm not the top of the food chain out there.

(01:15:29):
I love knowing that we are not alone here, that
there are so many mysteries and unseen things. You know,
we don't even know what's at the bottom of our ocean.
Stop kidding. If you think everything that has been seen
has been discovered, well you're just wrong. You're just dead wrong.
And one day, hopefully I'm in heaven with the answers.

(01:15:54):
But one day somebody's going to know that this is true.
There's going to be some triggering mechanism by which more
people are going to have to accept this. And I
don't even know if that's going to be good or bad,
because I don't want a thousand Lukie Loeus out there
trying to shoot a big fit. I want to bag

(01:16:15):
a big fit. I'm like, you know, I would rather
shoot you than the sasquatch, trust me. And so it's
just it's really sort of changed how I see the world,
and I'm just very much more observant of nature and
those kinds of things. And I feel less alone because

(01:16:37):
I know that I'm not because that agreed.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Just shortly. I feel like we're the lucky ones. You what,
I feel like we're the lucky ones, Oh, because we
because we know they're real and and I've I've met
so many people that are become great friends, opened up
a whole new world to me also, so I agree
with you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
I've met some really incredible, incredible people because of this,
people who I just so admire and who are fascinating
and not at all like me, you know, I mean,
I just people from all walks of life, and I
think knowing them has really been gratifying, because again, they

(01:17:23):
are independent spirits, they're open minded people, and you know,
some of them are super brave in the things they
do and the devotion that they show to this. You know,
it's I mean, I acknowledge people's hard work spending time
out there, but I have to believe that most of

(01:17:43):
these people are just like me inside and that we
just want to see and know, we want to understand,
and I don't know if we'll ever have those answers,
but we're driven to understand, and that in itself is great, right,
I Mean, it's just a great, a great quest to
be on. And you feel like you belong to some
club that you just couldn't You can't just bring somebody

(01:18:06):
in and say, see it's real. I'm like, no, you
need to have some things happened to you before confronting
some of the deaths. I feel like.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
I tell people all the time that I've been shown
things when I was ready, like the layers of an onion.
You know, it kind of had to happen the way
it did for me to be ready for the next step.
So if that's wu or whatever, you know, we all
have different words for it, but it becomes a it
becomes something you kind of know inside that and then

(01:18:39):
you start asking questions like why and you try to
try to make sense of all of it. So, but yeah,
that's that's awesome. I know Ashley's probably got more questions.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
Sorry, yeah, no, please go throw them out there. I
know you've got to get going.

Speaker 8 (01:18:59):
Earlier. You just described having this sense of kind of
fear and dread. My question to that would be, could
you argue that, like was it beyond reason? Like like
do you feel like it was somehow unnatural or maybe
even induced? And do you have anything else in your
life to compare that type of fear prior to when

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you experienced in that moment.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
I think that there is some capacity, whether it's energetic
or whatever, to impose fear on people. I agree. I
think it comes probably from like a survival instinct. There's
a part of me that wonders if when, when, when

(01:19:49):
I had that sighting, if it weren't intentional, Like somebody
once said to me, they're only gonna give you what
they want to do. They're in charge, and they're only
going to show you if they want to be seen.
And I'm not sure I believe that entirely. I think
some sightings are just pure accident.

Speaker 6 (01:20:09):
Mmm.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
What was the second half of the question, which I'm
pretty sure I can't answer.

Speaker 8 (01:20:16):
Do you have anything prior to your experience to compare
that same level of fear or dread? And I guess
I'm kind of pussy footing around the nature of the
question is because a lot of people strongly believe that
these beings can project a sense of fear dread beyond
what is what you know? What you know, what we
would say is normal. And I was wondering if maybe

(01:20:38):
you felt like in that moment it was just so
happens to be like the scariest moment of your life
or do you really feel like it was being projected
onto you if you could even tell. Some people can,
some people can't. But just more about that fear and
if you've experienced that fear again since so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
I don't know that I feel like it was projected
on me. I think what I was was just straight
up raw energy of something else being there that was
in a state of like hyper vigilance. I'm kind of empathic.
I think I just felt that energy. So here's that
is not the most scared I have ever been in Bigfooting, though,

(01:21:18):
a gentleman who's a researcher, well known researcher, a very
nice man, invited me to come out to join his
to visit his research area. I had contacted him and
had some conversations, and he just quietly said, you know,

(01:21:38):
I'm willing to take you out here. You know, you
just have to lose some of your fear because this
isn't you know, this is not going to be easy
for you where I'm going to take you. And my
Steve was like, you're not flying across the country and

(01:21:59):
going out in the middle of elevation, in the middle
of nowhere with someone you don't know, you're going to
be a missing for one one episode. Yep, I'm going.
So I got on a plane. I'm at this gentleman
and he, you know, he said, look, this is your time.
You can back out. He's like, there's no shame in

(01:22:20):
your game. He goes, I you know, I want you
to understand though, that if if you go with me,
that you know no one's coming to get you and
save you. We're not that place. We're not going to
a place like that. You know. There was a conversation
about can you can you use a firearm? There's one

(01:22:42):
in the console of this truck and an extra set
of keys, and that's about all I have for you.
And I'm like, oh, dear God, oh okay, what we
did there? What I came to realize what we did
is I call it free camping, which means no lights,
no tents, no fires.

Speaker 6 (01:23:01):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
So I'm gonna go in the middle of nowhere and
I'm gonna sleep on a cot and I'm not gonna
light a fire, and I'm not I'm gonna make myself
the absolute most vulnerable I could be in the woods.
I'm gonna tell you. That is hard. That is the
most scared I have ever been, because all kinds of

(01:23:23):
crap went down. Okay, every every imaginable thing could could
went down. So yeah, I'm exasperated. So I was up
there for three nights. On the second night, second night,

(01:23:44):
we decided we would do something weird, and that is
we were going to sing, dance, clap, shout, play our
play a cell phone when we could get reception, and
do anything we could to call attention to ourselves. And
I sort of in the beginning was like, well, nothing's
going to happen. We're in the middle of nowhere, you know.

(01:24:05):
And so right we were sleeping in a clearing right,
So behind us was a big fat drop off over
the cliffs, big fat drop off. In front of us
was forrest canopy right, and to the left of us
was at an old logging row that you could barely

(01:24:28):
four wheel up. Just telling you what what this looks like.
So we're standing there and in front of us is
just open woods, and we're dancing and we're laughing and
we're singing. We're just being ridiculous. And I look to

(01:24:48):
like a ten o'clock position. If straight ahead of me
is twelve o'clock. I looked to like ten o'clock. And
one of the rules that he had was nobody's going
inside that tree canopy night. Not a chance, no way.
And I was comforted by that because anyways, I keep looking,
and you know, when there's no lights and you're at

(01:25:11):
an elevation, all you see every star in the sky,
so you have ambient light that filters back through trees, right.
I start to adjust to that, so I think I
see movement back in that tree line, and I'm not sure,
but it feels like something is shifting like this, and

(01:25:35):
I'm moving quickly. And it didn't move quickly, but it
moved enough that I felt like I looked at motion,
and I kept staring at it. I'm talking about staring
at it for half an hour, just staring there, and
you know, you start to talk yourself out of what
you're seeing because fear starts to creep in, and all

(01:25:56):
at once, I think what I was staring at turned
its head, because you know how you get like raccoon
eyes if a light reflects. I saw like that amber
look right, and I'm like, and then I'm like, what
am I looking at something that that's shape? Starts to

(01:26:20):
spread out like that, and about the time where I
was about to lose all breath in my body, the
researcher says to me, do you see him at ten o'clock?
And I'm like, so he can seeking No, no, no, no,
this has gotten real. And here's what I did, like
a like a damn girl. I grabbed the sight of

(01:26:44):
his I remember this. I grabbed the side of his
pant leg. Okay, we are not familiar, and I my
feet felt like they were in ice blocks and I
could not move. I literally just paralyzed. I look down
and I can't move, and I'm like, that is not real.
I was just I mean, I was in that and
he goes, that's what you came here for, right, and

(01:27:06):
I'm like, yes.

Speaker 8 (01:27:08):
Just like a movie. By the way, I'm just like.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
I was the dumb bigfoot girl. And he was laughing,
I'm sure laughing inside at me, although he was very
loving and cordial. I mean, he was trying to as
swash my fears. But I'm like, oh my god, because
this thing could have taken four steps out of those
woods and smashed me like a bug. And that is
what I thought would happen. Totally silent, no noise, not

(01:27:36):
anything so stealthy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
Yes, go ahead, and you and you you said, y'all
don't y'all don't have any light, right, So was this
was this eye shine or illumination?

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Like I think, I think, I don't know. I think
this might have been like eye shine, because it wasn't
like glowing eyes right back at me. Someone like someone
turned its head and it caught that caught that light,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:28:00):
And got the light the light that we had where
we had phones and so we would turn them on
to play, like try to play music and what have you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
And so we had that light. But I mean, it
is pitch dan black out there, I mean, and so
I I could not look up. I mean, I was
like if something came out of the woods, I could
not run. I would have dropped to my knees and said,
don't hurt me. It was utterly silent. And you know
what happened, nothing but maybe five minutes after this happened,

(01:28:37):
and he goes, raise your head up. He goes and
look at two o'clock. Well, big daddy over here was
not alone. Much smaller was back and over here, and
it became really clear and I'm like, oh god, okay,

(01:28:57):
I'm like, we are super not alone, right, And he
began to tell me he had he had come to
this location every month for almost ten years and he
did the very same thing. He would pull up, get
out and ring a bell basically, and he'd say, it's me.
I'm here, and you know, I just want to hang
out and interact with you, you know. He would he

(01:29:19):
would have a dialogue and he literally was talking to
them and and he told me, He's like, introduce yourself
and tell him while you're here. And I was like,
my whole thought, Bubble was like please don't eat me
or whatever I mean. It was. I was truly comical.
But in those moments, I was like, Okay, I'm not wrong.

(01:29:42):
There are one hundred percent real and I am standing
here in the middle of the mountains, in the middle
of Oregon alone and this is your Bigfoot moment, sister.
That's That's how I knew. And the the but the
worst part was, you know, these things they're so stealthy.
They like came up there and just were there, you know.

(01:30:05):
And we had to go back to our cots and
sleep the rest of the night. And we spent another
night there when we were awakened in the middle of
the night with all hell breaking loose. I mean there
was knocking and there was calling across these ridges. I
mean there were these awful sounds that almost sounded like barking.

(01:30:25):
They almost sounded k nine. I've never heard anything more
chilling in my life. And it was almost like talking.
These are communicating back and forth. We had things taken
out of our little camp table, like taken in the
middle of the night and then brought back and left
left like on the ground there. But the creepiest thing

(01:30:48):
of all I think in that And I'll shut up
if I'm talking too much.

Speaker 8 (01:30:53):
But we're excited because you're kind of hitting a trisecta
here or whenever a quadruple of a trifecta is. And
I understand these are multiple experiences through multiple time periods.
It's not all one experience. But you are just hitting
the Bigfoot checklist, just one after the other. And it's

(01:31:14):
fascinating to hear it from a journalist's point of view.
And you know, people are people. Professions are a part
of that. But you know there's certain professions we just
all inherently trust a little bit more. Obviously there's some
jokes there about journalism, but the fact that you're able
to record certain things articulate yourself well, the fact that

(01:31:37):
you know you don't really have anything to gain but
everything to lose in this, I mean, this is I
really wish I didn't have to take off here like oh,
like now, I just now looked at the clock. I'm
going to bow out, guys. But again, Andrea, you'll probably
hear from me privately after this, and I'd love to
connect with you. I have a few more questions if

(01:31:59):
you're willing. And thank you so much for coming on.
And thank you Amandon Roger for ah tak You know
that was my life taking over this.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
It's lovely to meet you online. And I look forward
to chatting with you. Thank you so much for being
so nice.

Speaker 8 (01:32:14):
Yes, thank you guys, Thank you chat. I'll see you
guys next time.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
Good night, Ashley.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Bye.

Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
Yeah. Oh man, So if I can interject real quick
with a question, miss Andrea, you mentioned there that the
person that you were with these you know, tell them
why you're here. You let them know. I was going
to ask in some of your other times when you've

(01:32:43):
gone out squatching per se I wish there was another
word for it, but squatching is so long one. I know,
do you ever either speak or think your intentions? Whatever
we do, I do because I do. I mean Ashley,

(01:33:03):
we actually both do the same same things.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
I say in my head. I'm like, you know, Hi,
it's me. I'm coming out to see you tonight. I
hope that it's okay. And I said, please don't scare me.
I want to I want to connect with you, and
I mean no one any harm. And I hope that

(01:33:27):
you will trust me, you know. And I always just
say things like you know that this scares me, so
please you know, I want to interact with you, and
and you know, I kind of just opened myself up
to saying, you know, I'm coming as someone who wants

(01:33:49):
to learn more about you, blah blah blah blah blah.
Maybe that sounds really weird or creepy, but definitely ask
for protection.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
I'm like, and when I first got into this, after
years have not been able to talk to talk about it,
I never dreamed that I would be doing exactly what
you're doing withs Andrew. When we get out, I either
say it out loud or in my head it's kind
of a for me kind of showing respect, you know,

(01:34:21):
and like if you don't want me here, let me know.
And I've never had it. We've had some thrown at
us before, but that was before I started, you know,
saying that. But yeah, I mean, I know it sounds
weird some people that will listen to us later, And
you're just getting into this. The more you dig into it,
the more you do, the more you go out, and

(01:34:43):
the more people you talk to, like our Native American friends,
you know, some of them in here. Now it's the
biggest thing. It's it's it's respect, you know, and your intentions.
Let your intentions be known. Now, that doesn't mean they're
gonna come out and shake your hand, but they may
not throw a boulder.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
At you, right know. I think sometimes I think the
rock throwing, it's just playfulness, you know, it's acknowledgment. I
think sometimes that people are throwing big rocks. You know,
it's to move you along, you know, for whatever reason.
It's like just an intimidation kind of thing. You know.

(01:35:23):
I think that they know what your intentions are. You know,
there's there are things that about this I don't think
we really understand and I'm not some who do voodoo
kind of conjuror. But we're dealing with something else that

(01:35:45):
I don't think anybody fully understands. And agreed, it's a
bigger than most of our minds are even able to
go to. Let's do that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:55):
So I agree, definitely think there's more to this than
what just our small human brains are able to comprehend.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
That. You know that, I'm going to hang up with
you and I'm going to be like, I'm so embarrassed
that I talked about this. It is too weird for
human consumption. People will see me and they will think,
you know, time to get out of the mushrooms, susy,
you know, And it bothers me because to talk about

(01:36:27):
it is sort of healing. But then I try not
to talk about it, like I just don't. I get
asked to do these kind of things sometimes, and I've
spoken at some conferences to blood and blah blah blah,
but I always say, I'm not trying to be Bigfoot famous,
like not trying to do that, and no disrespect to

(01:36:48):
anyone who wants to be that. That's that's great. There's
some interesting people who who who do do that, but
I didn't search for this world. But then I feel
dishonest if I don't be honest about what happened to me.

(01:37:09):
It's kind of a weird back and forth for me.
You know, I had these experiences. I think I was
meant to have them. But you know, after I came
back from my trip, first trip to Oregon, I was like, wow,
you can't put that back in the bottle, Like this
is the very rest of my life. And you know,

(01:37:31):
either I have to. I think I just want to
try to understand it more and it just continues to evolve.

Speaker 4 (01:37:39):
No, and you're okay, we've had a lot of comments,
and I feel the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
I don't have my glasses on, so.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
I know you're doubting yourself. That's I do it. I
go on other shows. I tell about some of my
paranormal experiences, the one UFO, the big Foot stuff, and
and in my head, to use your term, Roger, stop,
you're saying you're sounding batshit crazy. But we know we are,
you know what I mean. That's the difference. We know
who we are and and but you're helping people, whether

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you believe it or not. There's people in this chat.
I know that are going through some things. They're trying
to understand this and thank you, because I'll say thank
you for them.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
They some people have contacted us and uh, they're in
the early stages of it where we are, and you know,
we've learned a lot. We've talked to people, we've done
boots on the ground, we've studied different things. We've had
those feelings. Somebody made a comment earlier about getting zapped.
I've had where my tongue felt like it was electricity

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and you could almost taste the copper wire, you know
what I mean. And it's like, what was that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
I mean, I've been zapped to the point of just
vomiting my guts out. Well one time. I mean, there
have been a lot of times when I felt overwhelmed
with energy, and sometimes it's loving and sometimes it's anxiety inducing.
But there was one time I was in Washington State

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where I literally got up off the cotton, took off
running and just lost my cookies. I mean, I was inflamed.
I was like, ooof you know, that just doesn't happen.
It's the only time that's happened to me. I suspect
that either I ate some bad camp food. I just
had too much energy being pushed at me, you know,

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and myself over there.

Speaker 6 (01:39:36):
Our physical bodies aren't able to handle that kind of
stuff for sure. And do we have those visual reactions?

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:39:43):
I had.

Speaker 4 (01:39:44):
A local guy contacted my son and I. We went
out and looked at a pretty weird place and he
was telling us a story about him and a friend hunting.
There was a scream that was so close. They felt
weird that, you know, they felt this weird energy and
it They were looking over their shoulders they're walking out,
and the scream hit them. He hit the ground and

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bought up and covered his ears. His friend started to
projectile vomiting immediately. So you know, you know, certain probably
decibels or sounds will do that. And I've had times
where my gut has gotten jittery for no reason and
then all but I started letting people know. Just three

(01:40:30):
weeks ago, we were in one of our hotspots and
I felt the energy hit me on the right side
of my body. We'd already heard what sounded like monkey ish, right,
and we're on alert. My son and I. I didn't
say anything about the energy. He said, do you feel that?
And I'm like, You've got to be kidding me. What
are you feeling? He said, this whole side of my body.

(01:40:53):
I got goosebumps, my air standing up. I'm like, yeah,
and see he he wasn't into all that, but he's
had some things happen now his I believe it's I
believe it's your mind gets open to certain things. And
I feel like, not like flipping a switch, but you're

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paying attention more than you would.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
That makes sense, sure, of course it does. You are
you're attuned to that. I also think that certain things
operate a different frequency from us, and and and some
of that energy output is more than than your constitution
can take.

Speaker 6 (01:41:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
I that's hard to explain to somebody. It's like it's uncomfortable.
I've been uncomfortable in places just knowing, you know, I
don't know. People talk about orbs that you see and
all of that. I think that's a part of this

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energy stuff that we're seeing.

Speaker 6 (01:42:02):
You know that you yourself experienced any of these orbs
and things.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Oh yeah, in different states, in different places, one hundred
percent orbs and lights strange lights.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
So okay, that leads into a good question. And I
don't know, is a great answer. So do you believe
that in some of these areas where we either research
or investigate and we go in looking for tree structures
and all, but we end up seeing orbs, then we
get some knocks later, maybe a couple days later. Do

(01:42:39):
you feel like it's an area that draws these things
or is it something about the area that you're more
likely to have these encounters or is it the person
just wherever you go that you may draw. I mean,
that's all that's tough and it's speculation, but I have
my thoughts on it.

Speaker 10 (01:43:05):
So so, you know, some people have talked about the
notion of there being portals, and I believe that from
a scientific standpoint that there most certainly are energy portals
in certain places.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
I think that there are places that have more energetic
output on this earth than others. You know, people have
talked about something called lay lines, right m. I just
think there are places and spaces that carry energy, and
that's sometimes I think that is why we see more

(01:43:50):
sightings in these places. I think that there's something to
sasquash bigfoot forest people needing energy, feeding on certain energy.
You know, I've often wondered, you know, if there isn't
something to man made energy here that they like the

(01:44:11):
feed on energy. But don't listen to me, because I'm
not an expert. I can only tell you that I
believe there are portals. I believe that I've been in
a place where I've seen one, and that's a whole
another story. But I wouldn't have believed it until I
saw things. And other people have seen things there too,

(01:44:36):
and that's probably not my story to tell, but I
believe that those things are absolutely real. You know, there
are bar texts in certain places on Earth here. I
don't think we understand enough. These are still you know,
the great mysteries what is out there and how things
are going? I mean, I try to calm myself and say, well,

(01:44:59):
there was a time in the continuum where people said
the earth was flat, you know that to the death
almost and that's not true. And what you know, what
don't we know? We make a lot of assumptive things
down here, right? I still think we're evolving our knowledge,
you know. I don't know how to answer you any

(01:45:20):
better than that, except there is some connection to this
and energy.

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
I believe it, And five years ago I never would
have dreamed I would have asked that question or even
agreed with some of that. But just like you, Miss Andrea,
when you have experiences that you can't understand. It's broad daylight,
there's strange things happening at night, the lights, the orbs.

(01:45:49):
I'll send you an ORB video we caught a few
months ago. It was on the thirty third parallel quartz
rocks all over the ground. I saw a face in
the thermal and then all of a sudden we get
to recording and a lot of people know the story.
I'll send that to you on a messenger and let
you look at it. Now. With me seeing that and

(01:46:11):
now I have the evidence to show people, how can
I deny that it's there? There it is. So I've
had to really I've had open mind anyway, but I've
really had to open my mind up. And then once
I did, I started to remember, Hey, I was in Sedona,
Arizona one time, and I felt like my skin was
about to come out. And I didn't know what about

(01:46:32):
the vortex var disease whatever back then, but that was
one of the strangest places I've ever been to before
I knew about any of this.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
So well, I think I think technology is going to
help us in a way. I think there are some
emergent technologies. They're going to show us things that we

(01:47:00):
probably knew, and you start to see some of this light.
Our technology I'm fascinated with, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:47:08):
Is fascinating technology.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
This stuff just continues to evolve, and I think I
think it will help us in discerning what we're dealing with,
you know. But I think some of this, there's a
certain spirituality attached attached to some of this too, and
I think that's why a lot of our First Nations people,

(01:47:34):
you know, they were tapped into their spirituality and the
earth and all of that, and it aligned so much
with them culturally and their spiritual practice that you know,
of course all these tribes have names for Bigfoot because
they all knew what they were experiencing, you know, they

(01:47:56):
were tapped into that. Not to drag this into it
into too deep of a hole, but I mean, I
think there's something to that, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:48:07):
Yeah, I feel like we're on the same page. And
I know, Amanda, because you're I'm not. I've been nod
in my head the whole show. They're probably getting. But
it's been a journey to get to these points. It
wasn't just like I jumped in and said, oh, you know,
I believe everything that anybody told me. It's from experience.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
You don't know what you're about to enter, this kind
of strange world, you know. It's it's the underworld for me.
And having these conversations. There's there's not a night that
I don't think about big fat there. You know. When
we lived in Michigan, we had a big black lab
a dog, Susie, and we would let her. We didn't

(01:48:52):
put her on leash. We would let her walk outside
at night. We had a big deck and then she
she would walk out and do her business and come
in every night before we went to bed. And sometimes
that dog would stand on the end of the porch
and stare, just stare for five minutes in the same space,
and I would see would be like, what is she

(01:49:12):
looking at? Like, I don't know, And sometimes she would
disappear for like ten minutes, and she would just come
back as happy as can be. And now, in hindsight,
after everything that went down, I'm like, she knows they're there,
they're out there watching, and she knows it, and they're

(01:49:32):
communicating with her, and she's not a bit afraid of them.
And I mean this went on and on and on,
and my dog is definitely a part of this journey.
You know, there are some things that happened where the
dog knew, just knew what came around, you know. I mean, oh,
very strange things. She's passed away. But you know how

(01:49:58):
dogs have since development that we just don't. I think
it worked very beautifully with what was going on out there.
She absolutely knew, you know. I don't know if others
have experienced that. I've heard some interesting dog stories, but.

Speaker 6 (01:50:16):
I've heard interesting dog stories from from other witnesses and
other researchers or squatchers out there. So yeah, the animals, dogs,
especially they're they're in tune with these and it always
seems like the sasquatch either has a they always either
have a deep hatred for them because they are always

(01:50:38):
barking at them, or they do exactly what you're talking about,
where they communicate as in some form of way with
with the canine and you. It's really neat.

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
We have connections with our pets that you know, you
can't explain to people that don't have pets, and those
those are your warning signs for danger. They'll let you know.
You learn them, and then when they're acting strange, you're
like you saw your dog, You're like, what is she doing?
You know, and but always pay attention to them.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
So before you kicked me off here, you know, I
told you that I was going to talk to you
about Robin, our friend who is extremely spiritually gifted. I
would just say that she's a very rare person with
a lot of unusual gifts. And when I first when

(01:51:34):
this first started happening for me, my friend Tim said,
you know, you seem troubled by this. You should talk
to Robin. And I said, I don't even know who
she is. I'm not talking to somebody I don't know.
I feel half crazy already. And He's like, no, she
won't treat you like that. She'll be she'll be nice
to you. She understands this better than most people. And

(01:51:57):
so night I called her and I literally didn't even
know her last name. You know, I'm just calling somebody
out of the blue.

Speaker 9 (01:52:08):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
She begins to just she goes, I'm just going to
tell you some things, and I want you to just
think about it. You know, you don't have to believe
me or anything. I'm just going to tell you. And
this is where it gets so squirrely and upside down
for me. It's almost embarrassing to talk about it. And
yet I'll tell you. She she owes your your dog.

(01:52:43):
They they say that there's something wrong with her. They
say she walks funny. And I was like, oh, so
my dog was a seizure dog and she took medications
for seizures that impacted her central nervous system and sometimes

(01:53:05):
when she would run, her back legs would buckle underneath her.
They were weakened by this medication. And it didn't hit
me in the beginning when she said that, And I'm like,
who would know that? Who would know that? She's like,
they like your dog, they feel for her. She goes,
I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to heal her.

(01:53:27):
And I'm like, okay, that's off the chain. And she goes,
I think you have a little girl sasquatch who follows
you in that forest out there. And I said, oh,
and now I'm like really crazy. This is getting crazy.
And she Robin says to me, she says, she loves

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your blonde hair.

Speaker 6 (01:53:54):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
That was like, I don't know you I'm not your
Facebook friend, and now you're talking about the color of
my hair, and that really kind of got me. But
then the biggest and wildest thing was she goes, she says,
to tell you that she loves your red rocking chair.

(01:54:18):
And I said, okay, that makes no sense to me
whatsoever like my red rocking chair. I'm like, I live
in a modern house of black furniture. You know, this
does not even make any sense to me. And she goes, well,
she goes, I'm just telling you what I hear, and
I just want you to think about it, no judgment,

(01:54:39):
blahdah blah blah blah. And I was like, Okay, she
was very kind, and there's it didn't It wasn't as
crazy coming from her as it might even sound here.
And so I'm kind of blown away what she told me,
and I'm just taking it in. I try not to
judge any And day I'm sitting in my office and

(01:55:06):
it's a very long, narrow room and it's got a
glass window that faces the forest. And I turn around
and I look in the back of my room and
they're under some clear plastic. Is the red velveteen rocking
chair that Steve's mother had given me as a family

(01:55:28):
heirloom that I never take out or put anywhere. I
had just stored in the back of my office.

Speaker 6 (01:55:35):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
And I said to Robin, I'm like, the only way
anybody first of all, no one ever comes in my office.
And second of all, the only way you could know
that that was there in my home as if you
came up to the window and you stuck your face
up and you stared back in there and you saw
what was sitting in the very back corner. And then

(01:55:59):
I was holy creeped out because I'm like, Okay, that's
I'm out of here. I'm like, oh, so hey.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
People talked about the chili bumps. We got a friend
that it says chili bumps. Now I have a Robbin story.
She didn't know me, I didn't know her, and she
was talking on our show and she said somebody had
something happened to them when they were eleven while they
were hunting that scared them. And then for it took

(01:56:29):
me a little bit. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Wait
a minute, that was me. And then you know, I
started screaming for my dad because something was breaking trees.
And growling and all. And I forgot about that. I
did not, And it was only one hundred one hundred
fifty yard from where I saw the Bigfoot, you know,
three years later, maybe three or four years later. But

(01:56:50):
that's one thing. But then she says, somebody's there in
your house that saw UFO at seven years old and
never told you what. They were watching the show in
the living room and my son comes running in open
the doors and that was me, that was me, that
was me and Mama, and he told me the whole

(01:57:12):
story later, and I'm like, what just happened?

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
Wow. I just don't know what to say about those
kind of things. I don't Robin is very gifted person,
and I know that she is very spiritually attuned and
what have you. So I mean, it would be easy
to dismiss, but kind of hard to dismiss. I mean,
so you carry those things with you, and you know,

(01:57:37):
I know that I clearly don't have a lot of answers,
and I only know I try not to. I try.
I always say, I'm not going to tell anyone else's stories.
I'm just going to tell my stories because I don't
want to secondhand anything. I can only operate from what
I have seen and had happened to me personally, and

(01:57:59):
you know, not trying to be Bigfoot famous, no, no
interest in that. I think there is some comfort to
hear other people talk about this, though, because it makes
you feel like, Okay, I'm not the only one who
feels just half crazy trying to trying to work through

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this which just continues.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
So I think I think if we feel crazy, we're
probably all right if we don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
Right, And I tell people I'm a normal person. I'm
not trying to to find Bigfoot on the daily. It
just happened.

Speaker 4 (01:58:38):
And we didn't ask for this, right, No, it just happened.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:58:44):
So all right, so we've gone almost two hours. I'm
going to let y'all go, but I want to show
she talked, she talked about mice earlier. I think we
have I can't see it.

Speaker 6 (01:58:59):
Oh yeah, I definitely want to pull this up. So
this is the cover to your book, miss Andrea. Would
you like to tell the audience about it?

Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
So last year I published this book called Good in
the Woods. It's a book written for young readers, so
like eight, nine, ten years old. It's just me as
a writer I always wanted to write some fiction, and
I never really did. And I started to try to
write my Bigfoot story as a memoir. I wrote about

(01:59:34):
five chapters and then I said, this is nuts. Do
not do this. You will destroy yourself professionally. And I stopped.
And maybe I'll pick that back up. But I wrote
this little book for young readers, and the story about
a little girl who gets lost in the woods and
she hurts herself and a bigfoot finds her in the

(02:00:00):
woods and he befriends her and protects her, and then
he begins to continue to show up in her life
at really challenging moments, and it's just a sweet story.
It's available on Amazon, I believe, Barnes, Anddnoble dot com
what carries it to I just wrote it as a

(02:00:23):
creative project. But I would say that baked into the
book is sort of sort of my belief system about
Bigfoot and things that had happened. And there are some similarities,
I guess to me and my experiences that are sort
of jacked into this book. And anyways, it was purely

(02:00:44):
a pleasure experience for me as a writer. I just
wanted to do it, and I appreciate you showing it.
It just something fun to do. And I'm working on
a second volume of this. I sort of maybe see
this as a trilogy of books or more that the
story will continue to pick up.

Speaker 6 (02:01:05):
So that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:01:06):
That goes.

Speaker 4 (02:01:07):
It's just before we go, the West Virginians in here
are asking, let's say, what part of West Virginia are
you from? Not exactly, you don't have to say that.

Speaker 3 (02:01:18):
Oh no, I'm going to tell you exactly because I'm
so proud of my hometown. I think West Virginia. West
Virginians are the greatest people ever. I grew up in
a tiny town called Hurricane, West Virginia. Hurricane. We say
it hurricane like the storm, just like the storm, and
it's it's a it's it's a. The area has grown

(02:01:41):
up a lot, but it's through. It's between two of
the bigger cities, Huntington and Charleston. So that's my tiny
little hometown. I'm still friends with tons of people I
grew up with. I love it there. If it were
possible for me to live and work there, I would
march right back there and live happily ever after.

Speaker 6 (02:02:01):
So that's awesome, all right.

Speaker 4 (02:02:04):
Well, miss Andrew, thank you so much. We've had comments
like they could listen to you for hours. I'm not
gonna do you like that. I could also, uh, I
have tons of questions and maybe sometime we can get
together and have a part two, or we can just talk.
Because yes, absolutely, I mean yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:02:26):
Answer any of your questions off off of this space.

Speaker 4 (02:02:29):
You know, okay, and you made a good point. I
always say, I only know what I've experienced. I trust
people to that I trust to tell me what they've experienced,
but we only know what's happened to us.

Speaker 3 (02:02:41):
So I have plenty of bigfoot friends who would probably
say Andrea is full of crap, and I own that.
That's that's fine.

Speaker 4 (02:02:51):
You know I resemble that remark. So anyway, everybody in chat,
thank y'all people listening on the podcast tomorrow, and we
appreciate y'all. We appreciate you listening to us and and
coming to the front porch we like to say, and
having a glass of tea with us.

Speaker 6 (02:03:08):
So absolutely, yes, thank you everybody who joined us during
the live. Sorry we couldn't get to all of your questions.
There were some really good ones out there, and I
know I still have some for myself, for miss Andrea,
but yeah, we don't want to keep her any longer
than we have to. So thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:03:25):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (02:03:26):
Yeah, we're going We're not going to do a Southern
goodbye for thirty minutes this time. We're just gonna kick
on out of here. Good Night, y'all, Night y'all,