Squatchin' Holler #13 The ATV Dogman Encounter with Abby and Maggie from Michigan

Mother and sister video a dog like creature and provide photo evidence.

Episode Transcript

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Swatching? How where the legends are born? Are they? Are?

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They calling you to say.

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The true?

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Not s?

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That will never be old. I love that never.

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He's such a good guy. He's helped me so much
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thank him enough. So he's one of the good people.

Speaker 10 (02:45):
She is, Jeremi is one of the good ones.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
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Speaker 10 (02:56):
How are Yady interviewed on there there? I think I'm
the episode three eighty one on their show, So.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
It was it was fun.

Speaker 7 (03:05):
So now about using y'all.

Speaker 11 (03:08):
Hey, everybody, what that actually?

Speaker 7 (03:13):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Thursday already already?

Speaker 9 (03:17):
Oh my gosh, Like this is the coffee that I
started out like five hours ago that I've just kept
heating up, heating up, forgetting. I'm I'm a few SIPs
and we'll get through it.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
I think. Yeah, I think we're gonna have a we
have a great conversation tonight. So here's here's how this
is gonna go. We've got a great recent encounter, we
have some video, we have some pictures, and I'm gonna
tell you, Uh, Maggie sent me the U and it's hard.
It's hard to tell, uh, you have with what the

(03:51):
witnesses all and felt. But there's definitely something there. It's alive,
it's blinking. They're they're in an a TV side by
side when no doors, and you know, you can hear
the fear. And but the thing was, she sent pictures
of some tracks they found, and I didn't know what
I was looking at. So I contacted our good buddy

(04:13):
Coombo and sent him the picture on them. Yeah, and
happy birthday, Cambo. That was a great. Yeah, he turned seventy.

Speaker 9 (04:24):
Well, but you could have not said that, that would
have been.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
He gets around better than I do. I'll tell you what,
go ahead. I'm not as half as smart as that dude,
or probably not being that. But here's a couple of
the cakes that uh, the wood Walkers provided. Greg Brob.

Speaker 10 (04:45):
Whoever did those, did a really good joke.

Speaker 9 (04:48):
Really good job, really good job.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
So one thing before we get started, our good friend
Greg houses in the hospital, and just you know, send
some prayers out to him and and hopefully hopefully he
gets better quickly. So he's got to stay a couple
of days, I think. But uh, if you're listening, Greg,
we're we've been We're in a group texts going and uh,
some of us have been praying for some of them
been giving him X.

Speaker 10 (05:12):
So yeahosts are blowing up responding to prayers and saying
are saying they're going to pray for you.

Speaker 7 (05:21):
So yeah, Greg, if you're listening, the squatching holler fams
got your back.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yep. So here's what. So we got a new thing
we're trying. Uh, we're adjusting as we go. Uh. So
we're going to do squatching holler trivia. And I made
a goofy little intro and like seventies game show vibe,
and I liked it. It's cheesy, but I love it.

(05:48):
I want to do the trivia that it has something
to do with the guests or the guests area that
they live in or whatever. So here we go. Let's
see if this works, y'all. Alright, I was.

Speaker 9 (06:07):
Jamming, all right.

Speaker 10 (06:11):
So tonight's trivia, which heavily forested area of Michigan's Upper Peninsula,
is often called the Bigfoot triangle. So y'all shout off
in the commons, what you gott do?

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Do? Do do?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Wait?

Speaker 9 (06:26):
Are we gonna get Mary? I shouldn't sing that I
want to get You're good?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
All right?

Speaker 10 (06:32):
So anybody, any takers.

Speaker 9 (06:35):
I don't see yet. Well was uh the Huron Manistee
National Forest region often between Baldwin Reed City and Big Rapids.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
All right, So Robert Dindovin has got onned us for
a couple of years now that Michigan is undappreciated and
y'all never talk about it. So tonight, Robert, this is
for you.

Speaker 9 (07:00):
I'm any that right now.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
I remember that. Yes, so going. You know, I didn't
know a lot about Michigan. I mean, we're new at this.
Amanda has a report that she took that she'll tell later.
I didn't know anything, so you know, I started scouring
the internet and uh so May five, a father forty

(07:23):
seven year old and his twelve year old son say
they encountered the Lord creature, both fishing in a swamp
swamp wooded marsh area near I seventy five and lapless
Ants Road in Monroe County, Michigan. And the BFRO took
report deemed it credible. So that's official. You have UAP

(07:44):
reports U four reports. Of course, that's everywhere. June nineteen
sixty four, residents near his sister's Lakes, Dewagiac, Michigan. Thanks
abby for telling us how to pronounce that reporting sightings
of a large headed creature were glowing and I described
to be around ten foot tall, about five hundred pounds.
You go through history the Michigan dog mant reports and folklore.

(08:09):
The dog man legend in Michigan, particularly in Wexford County,
is reported to date back to eighteen eighty seven and
has been featured in newspaper folk press archives.

Speaker 9 (08:19):
And that's so funny too, because like I maybe it's
just a me thing, but I can't hear the word
Michigan without in my head dog man, just Michigan's dog man.
It's just there. It is.

Speaker 10 (08:32):
It's just there. It's just part of it now.

Speaker 9 (08:34):
And one and the same. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
And I've I've actually, you know, had researchers send me
audio that's like make me throw the phone down, you know,
type scary you know stuff. Yeah, And so look at
this picture, y'all. The Lansing State Journal October twenty fifteen
published a piece titled Michigan Full of Monsters and Mysteries,

(08:56):
summarizing a variety of report of cryptis in Michigan swamped
my bigfoot type humanoids and water creatures.

Speaker 9 (09:03):
No mom it's not a phase. Uh so it looks
like it had the hair.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Hey, it looked like Barton Nunley's drawing. It wasn't it.
It wasn't exactly, but it was almost almost identical.

Speaker 9 (09:19):
Well, hey, I tell you what seeing if that's it's
easy to make fun of a sketch here just looking
at on the computer. But I for somebody to describe
that is what they saw, If that's I mean.

Speaker 10 (09:34):
Yeah, that's what they saw. I definitely don't want to
see that.

Speaker 9 (09:38):
I don't think I would have lived. I think I
would have died of literal fright or had a heart attack.
And that I'm not actually being funny. If you saw
something like that, I mean, oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
And we need to get Kumbo. He took his first
dog Man report in nineteen seventy seven. They didn't know
what to call them, and the people that saw him
and people that where had been researching them. They down
in the South, they called them the dog faceboogers because
they didn't know what the real name was. Right, So

(10:09):
look look at the dates here though Michigan Monster Hunt
resumes and quote June seventeenth, nineteen sixty four, Sister Lakes
de Wajiac Dewey Lake Monster June twelfth and fourteenth, nineteen
sixty four. I'm not going to read all these, just
give you Lake Superior, Sea Serpent Flurry eighteen ninety four
to eighteen ninety five. Michigan Papers and many other around

(10:30):
the Great Lakes ran items about cruise citing a long
undulaying creature between Whitefish Point and Copper Harbor eighteen ninety
four and more resort season reports in eighteen ninety five,
can I just.

Speaker 9 (10:43):
Say, as a water cryptid connoisseur, my favorite one of
my favorite key details of when these creatures are reported
are the when the word undulating is used. That peaks
my interest so much because undulating is such a undeniable

(11:04):
description of what these things look like, and it really
kind of pokes holes into like giant catfish or sturgeon
or whatever, which is indication of something a little bit
more space exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
And you've seen the pictures I've seen this in creeks
after a flood or rivers, where a debris gets hung
up on a log and it looks like it's you know,
back and forth. Well, when I think of undulayd in
it's more of an up and down, propelling itself like
you know it's self. A dolphin was thirty foot long,
that's what it would do, so exactly if it was Stanner.

(11:38):
So yeah, and so I was surprised that some of
these dates, you know, here's South Bend Tribune, Dewey Lake
Monsters non existence, so sheriff downplays sister late report. That's
not surprising nineteen sixty four, Yeah, because they try to
think about that.

Speaker 10 (11:55):
Sorry to me, to cutch you off looking at the
dates here in nineteen sixty four. That's prior to the
Paddy to the Patti film, which is in nineteen sixty seven. Yeah,
so that before bigfoot really became, you know, a big
common term, and definitely way more before a dog man
became part of the lexicon.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Tel and I don't know how to say this, Matta
to walk Pilot, I'm summing's a newspaper septeenth, September thirteenth,
eighteen sixty seven. So then you've got another one Elk
Advocate eighteen sixty seven, Traverse City, July seventeenth, nineteen oh one,
Green Monster and board Man River. Now, I do understand

(12:36):
that headlines sells papers, but and there have been times
where stories have been made up, But it's it's the
it's the to me, it's the similarities and reports from
people that didn't know about Like we could get online
and look at any newspaper we want to right now.

(12:59):
You know, back then, if you weren't in the area,
you didn't you know, what's the odds of you seeing
a newspaper from two state away right now? I know
people talk, you know, and story spread, but I know,
Amanda's like this. When you when you find an article

(13:20):
from like eighteen eighty eight about let's say, a Harry
Man or Bigfoot, what goes through your head?

Speaker 7 (13:25):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (13:26):
Man, I see. I immediately start trying to dig into
those little little tiny details that they put in there,
whether they talk about, you know, oh, the stride was
you know, five foot long? Or its eyes were they
one that said something like that their eyes were gleaming
like the moon? You know, just these small details. But

(13:47):
then when you start really digging into them, they you
start seeing major similarities between patterns, patterns of the sightings
that they're having, in the patterns of the description of
the creatures that these people are giving. Even back in
the eighteen and seventeen hundreds are nearly word for word
what a modern reporting siding would sound like. So that's

(14:11):
where my thing goes. I was like, see, it's not
a new thing, y'all. Is these things have been around
a long time, and I will die on that hill.

Speaker 9 (14:20):
And I also feel too, like, yes, you can make
the argument that news is sensationalized because there's nothing new
under the sun. But the papers really wouldn't have had
any real reason to put that in, I would think
at that time unless it was something credible or I
mean definitely worth reporting on. And you know that's you know,

(14:44):
everyone says like, oh, they don't want to be sorry
when we when we talk about these stories, it's like
not wane to be misunderstood, not one to be labeled
as crazy. But surely if the story got out and
the newspaper was like putting it in, I mean I
feel like there, it does lend some credibility to it.

Speaker 10 (15:01):
I agree, especially when they put like people's names in,
like you know, mister mister Johnson, you know in this
town or whatever, you know, that name is now stuck
with that and you know, just like with people sharing
their names nowadays, you know they're stuck with the stigma
of being the crazy person who saw the wild man
in the wood, and.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
The difference back then, you take the country as a
whole and the witnesses aren't tainted with terms that are
repeated on this or monster quest or finding Bigfoot or
you know all that. So, uh, some of some of
your descriptions from back then or stories from back then,

(15:45):
I don't say they hold more water water are more credible,
but they're all they're almost more believable because I mean,
those people didn't have TV. They didn't they Yeah, they
could have imaginations and all that, but it just doesn't
make sense, you know, because the culture the few fir

(16:08):
a move from people being burned at the state for
being you know, sorcerers or witches or whatever. So right,
why why would you tell that unless it's something you
were compelled to because it was the truth, you know, exactly.
All Right, y'all, we're gonna bring Maggie and Abbey in
here and talk to them, uh and hear their scary story,

(16:30):
and I appreciate them coming on here. Here we go. Hello, ladies, Hey, hello,
I just realized I am outnumbered you are as well,
So how are y'all doing?

Speaker 10 (16:47):
Tonight, we're well, how are you, guys?

Speaker 3 (16:49):
We're doing good. Y'all got to see a little bit
of the backstage goofiness.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
You're fun, are kind.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Of I'm telling stories and nobody's listening. But so, y'all, Maggie,
I think you told me you've you've worked with animals
for quite a while, right, I did.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
I was a ve tech for just about thirty years.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Oh wow, wow, so you you you know you're outdoors
people from some of the pictures I see fishing.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
And fishing, hunting family, yep.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
I look behind you. You see the bucks on the
wall and the bows.

Speaker 7 (17:31):
And yeah, there's a few here yep.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
So it's safe to see that you're kind of familiar
with the as in your area.

Speaker 7 (17:40):
We are, yes, very much.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Okay, So that's that comes into play because, uh, the
tracks I'll show a little bit later. Can y'all y'all
tell us what was going on and the night that
y'all took the a TV ride just just go at it.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
Well, there were there were two separate occasions that we
went for a ride. The first was on a Tuesday evening.
A friend of mine and I went. Her name is Kirsten.
She couldn't be here with us. She has the flu.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (18:10):
She and I just went out for a ride, cruising
along and we were actually back on our way home
when it happened to new ATV to us new side
by side, and it had three quarters of a tank
of gas in it, and I happened to look down
to notice that it had no gas left in it. Oh, no,

(18:31):
just had gas in it. And we haven't even gone,
you know, more than a couple miles round trip from
the house, so there's no way we could be out
of gas. When Kirsten grabs my arm in a death
grip and says, did you see this? And I said, yeah,
I see, we don't have any gas and we should
have gas, and she said, no, did you see that?
And I said, I see the gas gage. And I

(18:52):
looked over at her and she has very long blonde
hair cascades down, you know, to her waist, and all
of the hair around her head was like stand on end,
like she just grabbed a static ball. And I'm like,
oh my gosh, what did you see? And she's like
pointing as best she can. She looked like a buffalo
just jumped across the road up there. She said, it

(19:14):
made one big bound and was across the road. I said,
she was as big as a buffalo and black and
it just hit across the road and flew across. Wow.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Okay, no, that was cursed and okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 7 (19:29):
So this was the Tuesday night prior to the night
that Abby was with me.

Speaker 9 (19:34):
Okay, so not only do you guys, or at least
you did not see it, but she did. But we're
already in scary movie territory because you're out not necessarily
super close to safety, you're out of gas.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
And well, we weren't a gas That's the crazy thing.
We had almost a full tank of gas. We were
like three quarters of a tank of gas. My looking
down and not having any gas.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
You think it was something electrical and with our hair
standing up and some of the energy, is that what
you're saying?

Speaker 7 (20:06):
The hair standing up on her part was simply from
seeing something she couldn't explain. She was scared, she said,
her mind was running so fast. It's literally that I
can tell you what it wasn't She goes, I know
what lives here, and it wasn't any of those things.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Uh, you know what pops in the head is booger
on all fours crossing the road. But it.

Speaker 7 (20:36):
Looked like a buffalo jumping across the.

Speaker 10 (20:38):
Road starting a lot of size and a lot of bulk.

Speaker 9 (20:42):
Yeah do you think, I mean, are there even buffalo
in in your area?

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Like? Just no, okay, less Lower Michigan.

Speaker 9 (20:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:52):
Thees animal we have here is a white tailed deer.
We have no no panthers. We have bobcat but they're
a very rare thing and skidtish creature and they're certainly
not that big. Yeah. So she said, drive up there,
let's see, you know, she could, you know, She's like,
I know where it was, and so, you know, she said,
I can see, you know, by the trees and so
forth up there, I know where it was. So we

(21:14):
drove up and we came across this print and Kirsten
got out and we took a photo of it. Between
the print is between a photo of her foot and
a dollar bill. And then you found a few more
in succession to that print, and yeah, there it is.
And I don't know of anything that lives in this

(21:34):
area that leaves a print that looks like that. And
the next few that you'll see right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
And so so we've got we'll go ahead and get
to this. So this is this the same night or
is it when you know?

Speaker 7 (21:49):
That is that is when Abby and I went So
that's two days later.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Okay. These attracts are the interesting tracks.

Speaker 9 (21:57):
That is that same day with Kirsten Boy that looked
like a like a were wolf track.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
So so this track here and this track here was
in the same location.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
Yep, just further to the edge of the road.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
So let me you know, I told you I you know,
I saw this track. I didn't know what I was
looking at because of this anomaly down on the bottom right.
If you look at this track yep, yep, if you
look at this track, you'll see it bottom left right. Okay,

(22:36):
So I showed Kombo, I sent him these pictures. I said, look,
I don't I don't know what I'm looking at. Can
you help me? They come through on the phone, he laughed,
He said yeah. He started with this one first. Hold on,
he said, you see the four toes and the dog
ish looking track and then this appendage to the left.

(23:00):
H He said, Now I don't have a scale. Do
you know how big these were?

Speaker 7 (23:05):
You know they were? And I didn't, and I should
have laid that valor bill down next to that too,
but I didn't want to, you know, corrupt the area,
so to speak. But they had to have been at
least eight to nine inches I would say, in length.

Speaker 9 (23:20):
Okay, okay, So the soil compound like are it looks
kind of sandy from what I'm seeing.

Speaker 7 (23:27):
Candy, But we're also in a severe drought, so everything
here at this time was incredibly dry.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Power Okay, oh you're good. So okay, So here's what
he said. I did not know this. I don't know
much about dog Man. I don't want to know much
about dog Man. But unfortunately, uh at the more we
go out, the more things we find. So here we go.
This one. Here is the he said, the back foot.

(23:55):
So the back feet looked like this. The this is
a front left and this is a front right. And
he said that you probably have a juvenile dog man,
not a full grown one. And he said if you

(24:17):
if you are looking for tracks, people mistake these for
a hind foot. And it said it's exactly the opposite
with with the dog man. So I did not know
that would makes sense.

Speaker 10 (24:30):
Somebody in the comments is saying, it's actually really reminiscent
of like a raccoon.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
Exactly what they have they have.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
That's that's exactly what Cumbo said. He said that if
you look at a raccoon's hand, it's like that, but
it's you know, of course a lot bigger. So uh,
I learned a little bit, and you know, he's been
doing this a long time, so he he kind of
instantly he looked at him for a little bit and
he's like, yeah, let me tell you what you have here.
So then I said, Maggie a message. I'm like, oh

(25:02):
my gosh, Kumbo's hit it was a dog man, a
juvenile dog man.

Speaker 9 (25:07):
It kind of reminds me of like, and I don't
mean this to I'm not trying to be funny, but like,
if anybody has ever seen American Werewolf in London classic,
probably one of my favorites. But when he finally turns
at the end of the movie and he's like in
full wolf form, he's not actually standing on two legs,
He's he's crawling on all fours. And that's kind of

(25:33):
what that that track reminds me of of something kind
of doing this as opposed to Yeah, that's.

Speaker 7 (25:42):
Very the way she described it, it is that it hit
on all fours and bounced across the room.

Speaker 9 (25:48):
That's very intense.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Now, no, thank you, let me show y'all one of
that's scary. I'm gonna go with the pictures first and
we'll show the video. So we did a little bit
of a you know, enhancing. We're not professionals or what,
but Amanda got a screen shot off the video and

(26:11):
this she also did may I analyzation That was scary.
We won't get into that. Yeah, but so did you
see the color of this thing in the while it live?
While you were filming.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
A little dark out? I was pretty much trying to Yeah,
I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
And this is I shine from the ambient light. Is
that you didn't have a flashlight or anything?

Speaker 7 (26:39):
No light?

Speaker 10 (26:40):
Yeah, that was my big question because in this particular
screen shot here, excuse me, you can like you know,
make out some of the trees and things like that,
especially in the video which we'll are.

Speaker 7 (26:53):
Facing the opposite We're the headlights are facing to the
west and we're shooting the video over my lefts older.

Speaker 10 (27:01):
That's what I was thinking. Yes, So that that answered
a question. So that's actually.

Speaker 9 (27:05):
That is the quintessential spooky eye shine in the forest
shot if I've ever seen one, like just clear as day.
You have that distance between each eye and the way
that it's.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Oof, so it's definitely it's definitely a predator. And Amanda
and I was going over this. Uh it's almost like
the left ears may be pointing towards them and the
right ear is back.

Speaker 9 (27:32):
You know, yeah, I can see that to you. Roger could, and.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
They were like, could it be a deer? Could it be?
I think an owl's ruled out. Maybe, but you know
animals will turn the ears, but almost it's there's forward facing,
so it's some some type of predator.

Speaker 9 (27:52):
Right, Yes, so you read my mind, Roger.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
So Abby, Yes, Uh yeah, I I I edited the
video just a little bit because y'all do just like
I do when something happens. That was me almost I
almost showed it because I do that. I do the
same when something I.

Speaker 10 (28:16):
Think we all do. Whenever we're in those moments, those
four letter words slilled.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
What were what were you feeling? Because I got a
reason I asked this, what were you feeling? You're on
the passenger side, the closest to it.

Speaker 12 (28:32):
No, she over her because we have seen it and
then she put it in reverse to you know, go back,
and I quick natural instinct grab my camera and just
shot behind her.

Speaker 7 (28:43):
It was the only way I could see it, so
I was on the pask the side. Okay, I would
have to say, ajorenaline was high.

Speaker 13 (28:51):
They didn't really know what to think though, Like I
pretty much stared into it, soul.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
It felt like because it was staring up. This is
what it felt like. It made eye contact with each.

Speaker 9 (28:59):
Of us, right, no, thank you? Like okay, so like
when you say each of you, you mean like focus
and like that and then refocused. Yeah.

Speaker 14 (29:11):
And I do have to say, like we told you
guys backstage when we were driving to the east before
this video took place, like when we were taking the
print tracks.

Speaker 7 (29:21):
I don't think you've shown lost yet.

Speaker 13 (29:22):
But it stayed there for at least a twenty five
to thirty minute period until we came back the other
way and it still didn't move.

Speaker 10 (29:31):
Oh wow, that's crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 7 (29:33):
But it kind of shift in the video a little bit. Yea.

Speaker 10 (29:35):
But let's play the video of Rogers that way we
can let the audience see what all we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
I'm not I'm not watching mess the messages. But I
bet Hillary's listen, let's see she gets on Timmy for
like building the suspense we got.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
All right here, it's just blanked babby screen eyed. Now what.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
Whoa what are we dealing with? Are you ready to move?
Are you ready?

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Let's get out of here?

Speaker 9 (31:03):
For ever to get that thing by thing here, it
was like it wasn't doing this, but it was dead,
I mean.

Speaker 10 (31:13):
And I couldn't get a good screenshot of it when
I was trying to get the screenshots earlier that we
were sharing. After like the first thirty seconds or whatever,
there's a spot where you don't see the eye shine
for a few minutes, but you actually can see some
movement in whatever, the bush or whatever right there before
it comes and pokes, and then there's the two bright

(31:34):
eyes again before y'all back up out of there really quick.

Speaker 9 (31:36):
Well that was my question. Is it blinking or is
it lowering its head so it just looks like the
eye shine is disappearing because it's go ahead, Roger.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
No, I think it was blinking by the uh, just me,
because the eyes when you blink, the eye disappears, but
when it opens up it's in the same spot. So
I was thinking it was blinking.

Speaker 10 (32:00):
But is how bright the eyeshine?

Speaker 7 (32:05):
Is awesome?

Speaker 10 (32:06):
With just yeah, with just an ambient light of your
four wheeler, I've called it four wheeler. Sorry, that's crazy.
So do you think it was just getting the light
from your ATV or do you think there was some
emission of its own light there as well?

Speaker 7 (32:25):
I have no idea, but I mean when it did blink,
its eyes went had an amber cast and then a
green cast to it, So I mean it had to
have some kind of its own Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 9 (32:37):
Can we rewind a little bit, especially for our audience. So, like,
you guys seem like very normal, well dingested, good sense
of humor, well spoken. Obviously you guys have a good relationship.
Looking at your home, obviously there's a lot of activity
in the woods, so like, what what are your like?

(33:00):
Did you have any thoughts about these kind of spooky
wooky things before this incident? Did this kind of cement
something for you? Did this open up a whole new
world like where you guys at in your own kind
of cryptis.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
I always I've always had an interest in this. I
mean I grew up in a household, My mom was
a very big believer in sasquatch, in Bigfoot. So not
a big surprise, and I've had an interest in it,
but it's not something I go out looking for on
a regular basis. True. Yeah, but you know it's you
can't live where we live and not be aware of
this kind of thing. I mean, we're surrounded by kind

(33:33):
of strange stuff here. But yeah, that was I mean
the tracks in of themselves were rather frightening because we
don't have anything here that leaves a track that looks anything.

Speaker 9 (33:46):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
I know when we've had things happen to us, that
the feeling that you get, it's like almost when you
were trying to put that thing in gear and we're
setting there in the house, you know, watching I've been
there were a brain disconnected from my hand or my
foot trying to operate something. It shows I mean if

(34:12):
it had been a cody and you saw it was,
wouldn't bothered me in the leading exactly. That's what's on
my wall.

Speaker 7 (34:18):
I mean, we have them routinely in our yard. I
mean it's not a big deal we have there. I
mean we're surrounded by wildlife. They're commonplace. This was something
that I've never experienced before.

Speaker 9 (34:29):
Could she g height? Like, did you have anything to
compare the height of the eye?

Speaker 7 (34:36):
Walked back out to that area, and it's level ground
out there, I mean, and based on the height of
the weeds, they're like four and a half foot tall.
The weeds in the area that were kind of level
with the eyes smelt weeding and crazy stuff out that
it's growing out in that area.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Wow. Well the thing look, we we understand, even Maggie
and Abby understand it's hard to tell what we're looking at.
But this, this is what made me go, oh crap.
Was was the tracks?

Speaker 10 (35:11):
I agree anecdotal evidence to go along with it.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Really this if if every track looked like that, no
big deal. If every track looked like that, kind of
a big deal. But one animal crossing the road with
two different type tracks, and that's large. If that's a
mountain one in mud, you know, the mud will spread out. Whatever.

(35:39):
This this material here, it's a little different. You know,
it's not mashing down, it's it's it's that's that's a
lot of weight there. So the fact that we have
two different types of tracks, and the witness says it
was on all fours, that's what that's why I.

Speaker 7 (35:59):
Mean, and the side by side track that Kirsten's foot
is in is a fresh track, that's our track, and
that you know, the tracks from the print almost set
deeper than the track of the side by side.

Speaker 9 (36:13):
Can we go back to the one with the Yeah,
this one like there's no mistaking I mean not to
say that we know definitively what a dog man track
is or isn't, but like you can see the the
claw like, yeah, if you will, mm hmm, what's up?

Speaker 7 (36:36):
Yeah, you can see the definition of what the claw
is where they would be.

Speaker 9 (36:40):
Yeah, yes, And and it's moving with power, not just weight.
But it looks like it's moving very efficiently to leave
such a perfect track but still have it that much
in the ground. That's why I was curious about what
the ground, you know, soil was made out of. I
mean that thing, it looks massive and oh that little

(37:01):
dew clothing at the back is so there's nothing not
terrifying about that print.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
Oh that whole week was just a blast of just overwhelming.

Speaker 10 (37:14):
Crazy and gracious. I'm going to read this comment here
real quick for the audio listeners. So Steamboat is saying
physical evidence in cooperation with video evidence, and firsthand witness testimony.
This really is a case to make history. I'm very
proud of you.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
But yeah, like you said, having all three.

Speaker 10 (37:34):
Of those components to go together is what really brings
us all together that Yes, this is exactly what happened.
It was dog man.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah. Well, and I try to stress that because you know,
if we I found tracks and took pictures or video
or whatever, didn't see the animal or a possible animal
that could have made the tracks, y'all had seen it
something uh a couple of day nights before that didn't

(38:03):
make sense.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Now we could take the video and we could speculate. Uh,
we could probably come up with four or five different things.
It could be, right. But uh, and that's what I
like about y'all. I like a lot of people that
we talked to. Nobody's getting their feelings hurt because we're
trying to piece this together, right, So there's.

Speaker 7 (38:22):
Nothing to get your feelings hurt about. We don't know
for sure.

Speaker 9 (38:27):
It really is just a giant mutant raccoon.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, and I'm I applaud y'all for going back and
looking for evidence.

Speaker 10 (38:41):
Yes, very much so, and agree, Yeah, I would I
would be too terrified to do that. So yes, kudos
to you guys for sure.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
So Robbi right there, Yeah, that's that's what I want
to thank you, Robbie.

Speaker 10 (38:59):
Robbie as tracking one oh one whatever, it was crossed
over the ATV tracks, which meant it crossed behind y'all.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Right, you can you can see you can see where
there's a couple of tracks that are over top of
the ATV trail there of the tire tread good point.
That's I wish I could hang out with Robbie and learn.

Speaker 9 (39:21):
Right, Is there any way we can play the video
one more time? I would like to listen to the
audio because I was so stunned by what I was
seeing my other senses kind of went stupid.

Speaker 10 (39:31):
That's right, you haven't seen this yet, so.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, let me try to get to it here. People
that are listening on Spotify in the future, you can
come to Untold Radio Network on YouTube and check out
any videos that we show live or any pictures. So
we'd appreciate it if you wanted to come look at that.
That's cool. And Roger don't know how to use the internets.
Once again, let me find it here, y'all.

Speaker 10 (39:57):
You got it?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
It's like they it's like they put them far enough
away that you can't here we go.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
It's just blank, babby screen eyed. Now what.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Whoa what are we dealing with?

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Are you ready to move?

Speaker 6 (40:58):
You ready?

Speaker 9 (41:08):
Sorry? So it's even scarier the second time you're watching it.
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Oh no. And I think there's things we can we
can rule out because like Peyton, uh, the way my son,
the way he is, I don't if I have evidence
to show him, I don't say anything about it. Check
this out. So his job is to immediately start trying
to rule things out, or folks burn down, arrow it
down to what it could be. Right the first time

(41:43):
he did the normal. About the third or fourth time,
he's like, well, I don't know. And you look at
for instance, this this here. A lot of you hunters,
people that have been around deer, know what a deer
ears shaped like. That's not what that is. It's not
long enough. We know with dogs ears a crimp bit

(42:07):
right at the head. Sometimes that to me, this looks
the top lot's canine.

Speaker 9 (42:12):
It doesn't even look like a bear or anything like.
And as you pointed out, Rogers, that's predator eye alignment.
That is absolutely locked in hunting type eye placement. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
And we know we know dogs can in deer and
other things that live out in the woods can rotate
their ears, you know, around behind them and all that.
I don't know. And once Amanda screenshot this and we
started looking at it, and then when I watched the video,

(42:47):
I can actually see this before I couldn't so and
I know it's pixelated.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Y'all.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
We're doing We're just doing the best we can. I
I Abby. I'm gonna tell you what, most people in
that situation wouldn't think to grab their phone. Good job,
thank you.

Speaker 9 (43:10):
Well, that's another question I have, so like, Okay, so
you you explained earlier that you guys had some kind
of understanding or at least, you know, acceptance that there's
kind of these weird things in the woods or you know,
bigfoot dog man. You've heard of these things. They're not
completely because we have people who are like and I

(43:31):
had no idea what this thing was until I saw it,
and I went on a you know, a journey to
figure out what it was kind of thing. But were
you guys, and it's probably it's probably hard to say
in the moment, were you guys ready in that moment
to see something like just horrific, like something from a
scary movie, and like, were you ever terrified? Like oh

(43:51):
my goodness, this thing's gonna chase us down, and like
what what like, because there's a moment there when you're like,
are you ready, and it's like it's watching the video
You're waiting for this thing to like just come right
out of the woods. There.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
I was pretty mute that I didn't even have words,
so and.

Speaker 12 (44:12):
We got to the end of the dirt road and
she said, oh, you want to go back?

Speaker 7 (44:17):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
No, I'm all right now, I'm taking notes. Maggie is crazy.

Speaker 7 (44:25):
It was three activity that night when you got back
to the house.

Speaker 10 (44:28):
After that, that was another one, but you can remember.

Speaker 7 (44:31):
No, it was pretty quiet here after that. But you know,
I asked myself when I got home, I'm like, you know,
why didn't I, uh, you know, do an al turn,
turn around, shine the headlights, or you know, why didn't
I get out and take a look. But you know,
I guess discretion is the better part of valor, I guess.
And you know it didn't even occur to me to

(44:53):
do any of those things because I guess my own
primal instinct was telling myself to get out of there.
You know, don't your kid up as a meal with
something that you don't know what's out in the woods,
because it was just supposed to be a relaxing right
to get her out of the house, right, you know.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
That's That's what I talk about a lot when I'm
on other shows. A lot of times if I'm by
myself or I'm with a group of adults, and I
react one way. If I have my kids or family
with me or my dog, I react another way because
you're responsible, you feel responsible for them. So yeah, that's natural,

(45:29):
and it does it. Like me, I've learned more by
the mistakes I've made. So I carry like a twenty
two hundred Loomin flashlight, a small one, and in that situation,
I don't know if I'll remember to look at it
because you're exposed right there there it is, and and
two lips a vehicle, so you don't hate.

Speaker 7 (45:53):
The last thing, you think, I probably well, and I
do have a spotlight to carry a spotlight in the
trunk of the side by sight and it was however,
the battery was not there, and I don't think I
would have had the guts to get out of the
side by side and get said spotlight. O M hmm.

Speaker 9 (46:09):
Yeah. Do you guys? Do you guys feel like it's
it was kind of hard to hear over the side
by side because it was pretty loud. Do you never mind?
I'm gonna come back to this because I have a

(46:30):
different question.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
I'm not what I heard. I'm gonna tell you what
I heard. I heard in Maggie's voice. What are we
dealing with?

Speaker 9 (46:39):
Yeah? What we're doing?

Speaker 10 (46:40):
You could hear you could hear your the wheels in
your head turning as you're saying it, and the fear
that you're experience and as in like that, oh my god,
what am I looking at right now?

Speaker 9 (46:52):
Are you ready? Are you ready? Repeated twice, was like
I'm gonna gun this thing? Are you ready?

Speaker 11 (46:58):
Like we're anything back?

Speaker 7 (47:02):
How fast that thing could go?

Speaker 9 (47:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (47:06):
Question for you, Abby, So were you watching the thing
like on your phone screen as you were recording it
or were you just holding your phone and looking out
into the woods as you recording watch it?

Speaker 13 (47:18):
I am like so used to videotaping my boyfriend who
rides dirt bikes, so I'm like going back and forth
and doing like the zoom in with my finger and
zoom back out to see what I'm looking at, and
you can see like there's a break where I kind
of like go away, and I think.

Speaker 7 (47:33):
That's where I looked away from the phone and went
to look actually, and then I was like, oh, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Well, I'm proud for you to you know, like I said,
we're not saying what it is. We can rule out
a lot of things it's not. And it leaves a
few things that, you know, anything that it was could
have been. Even if it were alone, Kyuty, it's still
not a safe situ. But with this other evidence, I'm

(48:02):
just I've been waiting to talk to y'all. I knew
it's not I feel like this show what we try
to do. I'm thinking thirty years down the road when
I'm maybe I'm not here anymore and we're documenting things, right,
so who's to say or I'm doing some research. Yesterday

(48:26):
this new video popped up from Josh canny Real with
the subject I was researching for something in the future.
It was a fifteen minute video but was packed with
information local stories for me, So I hope that you know,
maybe sometimes somebody can look and say, Okay, I'm from Michigan,

(48:47):
are there anything has this ever been seen before? Or
maybe somebody else finds tracks ten miles away and it
matches up. So I think we need to have that mindset.
We're not professionals, but documenting that anybody that's in chat
or listening go back the next day or so and

(49:10):
try to get some pictures to kind of, you know,
make the story makes sense. So that I just couldn't
be more prouder of y'all the way y'all handled it.
And it's just maybe it maybe it's your experience in
the woods or with animals, or the curiosity probably would
have eat me up to Oh.

Speaker 7 (49:28):
The curiosity is huge. I mean your mind doesn't stop spinning.
I mean that roll index keeps going, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (49:35):
Robert asked the question, Robert, we're in Alligan County?

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Is that hold on? Is that the Robert I was
talking about earlier?

Speaker 7 (49:43):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (49:43):
His last name. Uh, if you come in late, Robert,
find it again. I'm dedicating this.

Speaker 9 (49:52):
Show how you two are, Like, I just love just
the dynamic here you as are so cute.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Well, it just it just adds to the story, Like
I used to go into interrogation rooms a long time ago.

Speaker 9 (50:17):
Of course they sing in those interrogation rooms, Roger.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
They well, I was in training and I know, I know,
I know Hillary is.

Speaker 9 (50:28):
Not here, so I gotta Hillary is here.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Hard time, I picked up, uh, some some tricks, you know.
And one thing when when two people are now we
separated them then. But when you watch two people tell
a story and there's no pausing, they talk over each
other and everything, that's I love that because it's it's

(50:54):
a recalling, it's not thinking of what I need to
say next, right, So I kick back and I like
to watch people talk just to see how they react
or and I'm I'm an old poker player from way
back too, so you can get a lot of information
from people. And I think what actually picked up on
is the way too are comfortable with each other and

(51:17):
your mom and daughter or whatever. It's funny. I love it.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
We're pretty good buddies.

Speaker 9 (51:24):
That really shines through and all jokes aside. I do
feel like that adds some I don't know if it
cooberation necessarily, but it just it makes I think in
through my fielter, it makes your guys a story that
more credible because it's like, you guys are there, you're together,
You're on the same page, and there's obviously a trust

(51:47):
there where it's like, I don't know, I think that's
I think that's really sweet. We talk to a lot
of people both together via the show and then separately
do it or our own interests, and you'd be surprised a
lot of people who see the same thing. Amanda, I'll
use you as an example. When you had your big
Foot sighting, you saw and experience things that not necessarily

(52:09):
your brother experienced and vice versa. So to have two
people not only see the same thing but get along
so well while telling that story, I think it's it's
really refreshing.

Speaker 10 (52:20):
Yeah, and also in the moment as well. You know
you as obviously as mother and daughter, y'all are used
to working off of each other, like you know, as
you're driving the ATV, hey sit down, or you know,
hey hold this. You know, you know, y'all know how
to work off of each other. And I imagine you
Abby hearing your mom and the tone of her voice

(52:42):
and she's freaking out. I wouldn't imagine how that would
have how that made it have made you freak out.

Speaker 7 (52:48):
I probably thought I was responding, right, Yeah, you're probably
too stunned in the moments.

Speaker 10 (52:55):
Why you didn't say anything either.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
And here's another thing I've noticed dealing with people dealing
with researchers my own journey. The more you've experienced, the
better you handle things. A lot of times it takes
it takes a little bit for that to take effect.
But Maggie, didn't You said you saw her foot in.

Speaker 7 (53:23):
Montana? Yes, many years ago.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Can you tell us about that? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (53:26):
Please?

Speaker 6 (53:27):
True?

Speaker 7 (53:28):
Yeah, Actually northeast corner of Montana and a small town
called Scobi. It's like, okay, about five miles off the
Saskatchewan border. And actually Abbey was along. It was for
her seventh birthday, and she was sleeping in the backseat
of the car. But I was simply driving down what
they referred to as their gravel roads. But their gravel

(53:50):
roads are like rock roads. So it was going quite
slowly because you have to be pretty careful. And I
was driving along and looked out there was a week
field and a canola field just beyond that, and it
was in the evening and the sun was setting. It
was beautiful and happened to look out and she it
was about an eighth of a mile out in this
wheel wheat field, a fastquatch just quietly walking along. Its

(54:14):
arms were outstretched and I only saw it for just
a matter of seconds, but it was angled away from me,
and it simply walked off and walked out and dropped
down into a coolie And I just saw it quietly
angle down and walk away. It was nothing or scary.
It was yeah, it ran through my head that. Yeah,

(54:36):
my mom was right all along. They do exist, and.

Speaker 9 (54:38):
It was was it doing a patty? Did it kind
of look or make any try attempt to get Never saw.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
It space, It was angled away from me. You know,
you could make out the profile, the stature, but yeah,
super long arms. I mean the wheat in that field
was well above my waist and it maybe came mid
calf on this creature you could make out, but you know,
the thighs, you could see the fide profile and it
just quietly, you know, walked off down into Apulian was gone. Yeah,

(55:05):
that's actually do you have Oh sorry, that's okay.

Speaker 10 (55:10):
I was just going to point out something that's interesting
about that. It being in northeast Montana, Ashley and I
ourselves actually lived in North Dakota on western North Dakota
there for for a while. So for a lot of
people who don't know, obviously it's very very prairie law.
There's no there's not a lot of trees, if there

(55:32):
is any at all, and you know, you do have
some slight rolling hills and stuff.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
So yeah, yeah, but when your dog runs away from home,
you can watch them go for four days exactly.

Speaker 10 (55:41):
So people don't think that there are reports of bigfoot
sidings in the plains or prairie states, but there totally is,
and obviously what you just shared, you know, is proof
of that as well. So I just wanted to point
that out to as a fact to people who that

(56:01):
people bring up that to me also, I was like, oh,
they're just in the woods, Like, no, they're everywhere.

Speaker 9 (56:05):
Trust me, they're literally everywhere. I want to touch upon
a little bit about you just said, like, oh, my
mom was right, they're real. Did you grow up maybe
a little bit more skeptical in nature or.

Speaker 7 (56:17):
Not at all? My mom was very much a big
foot believer. She had taken a trip to Alaska when
I was very young. I think I was maybe kindergarten
first grade, she and my grandparents did a tug boat
trip oh yeah, in her Alaska, so that she was
gone a month month, maybe two months, month and a
half to two months they were gone.

Speaker 10 (56:36):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (56:37):
I know that when she came home she had had
a sighting and she really elaborated on I mean, I
was little, so she probably didn't want to scare the
crap out of me because I already wouldn't go to
bed by myself, you know. But and then we never
really talked about it ever. But in our household growing up,
I mean, we watched you know, Anything to Do, you know,

(56:57):
with Leonard Nimoy. I forget the name of the show
that he holds search. Yep, we watched that. That was
you know, any saying anything like that was on television.
We were tuning in. We lived at that time in
northern Illinois. My father had a company over there, but
my parents were both from Michigan. We returned here, you know,
twice a month to see grandparents. So, you know, we
watched all kinds of stuff with vig but it was commonplace.

(57:20):
You weren't discouraged to believe in that kind of thing.
It was rather encouraged. So it wasn't shocking to see
something like that. It was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Wow, Well, once you've been kind of exposed to it. Uh,
you know some people we had local stories. I remember
a farmer in Coleoko, which is you know as a
crow Fliest ten but two miles from where I grew up.
He made the local paper in the late seventies. Something

(57:50):
was stealing meat out of his smokehouse and he caught
it when coming out and it had he said it
had a torso of a man and a demon head
kind of tore it. I wish I could find that article. Man,
everybody tore him, they laughed. I remember that at like
six or seven years old, people laughing at him. So

(58:12):
you know, later when you know I had something happened
to me, I wouldn't you know I wasn't talking about it.

Speaker 7 (58:19):
No, you have to first be able to laugh at yourself,
because everybody else is blamed you for yous.

Speaker 10 (58:24):
Yep, you're right, Roger, you know you're just sorry. Ashley.
I'm cutting you off all over again. You know you
just said that, and I might actually pull up that
picture now that you said that?

Speaker 8 (58:34):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Is that?

Speaker 8 (58:35):
Not?

Speaker 10 (58:36):
I want you describe a human body with a demon head.
Is that not the thing that I know I pulled
up earlier.

Speaker 9 (58:43):
I know we said we were, but a man, now
you have to.

Speaker 10 (58:47):
I know, I'm going to hit all right, oh right, right,
right right back.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yeah we uh so, you know, we we were backstage
with DA and Robbie and I had done some of
this and we were playing around with some of the
most more famous Bigfoot photos and putting it in AI
and letting it you know, analyze or whatever, and it
was it was interesting on some of the details that

(59:12):
came up. And then you're like, oh, I didn't see that,
So we play around with it a little bit. We
don't take it, you know, one true or whatever. But
since we did that backstage after the show a couple
of weeks ago, you know, we've been trying a little
more and she's going to get the picture that popped up.

(59:35):
Oh yeah, t KB, I said that earlier. Man, I'm
out numbered big time. But yeah, and you're talking about
the UFOs. You've had a UFO experience too, right, correct. Yes,
it was very tell us a little bit about that,
and that's where Abbey came from.

Speaker 9 (59:53):
What it was.

Speaker 7 (59:54):
Yeah, that's where overd pregnant with Abby. It was at
her great aunt Uncle's home, which not far from here
at all, just off of the Lake Michigan shoreline. They
were fish farmers when they still resided down this way,
and they had nine ponds by their home, and their
one main pond by their house at a pole barn

(01:00:16):
near it. And it was about an acre and a
half pond with a large stand of Scotch pine in
front of it. And obviously, me being pregnant, I was sober,
but the rest of the party involved had been drinking.
It was about two thirty in the morning, and my
aunt had gotten up to excuse herself to go potty
around the back of the pole barn. So she had

(01:00:37):
her backside facing the pond, and she was facing the barn,
and she was peeing, and we're sitting there, and all
of a sudden, just this bright light, kind of like
one of the new led bulbs, kind of cast that
bluish light, no sound to it whatsoever. It was just
this intensely bright light came from the west, shot to
the east, came back and left.

Speaker 9 (01:00:59):
Whe Is this on the timeline again, so bigger than.

Speaker 7 (01:01:02):
When I was pregnant with Abby, so a while ago,
like twenty twenty eight years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Wow, late late nineteen hundreds. Say it like that.

Speaker 9 (01:01:13):
We all hope, I just no, you're itching.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
So the story behind this comment here, Misty's been busy
and shits how all these beautiful ladies and Gaiter doing tonight.
They call me Gator because of my big mouth. So hello,
that's a that's an inside I got plenty of nicknames, y'all.

Speaker 10 (01:01:39):
All right, I'm back.

Speaker 7 (01:01:42):
That's funny.

Speaker 10 (01:01:42):
Being being backstage, it was like I could hear everything
going on, but like I couldn't respond back.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
In Okay, you tell what you did, and tell and
show what Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:01:53):
So a little bit of a backstory here, Abby and Maggie.
So was it a.

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
Roberts or from a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 10 (01:02:05):
Yeah, So after the show, we were hanging out backstage
like we usually do sometimes, and he was showing us
some neat tricks that he had been doing with some
videos and pictures of stuff that he did with some
of the AI tools that are out there, and you know,
take it or leave it, and we all have our
own opinions on AI and what it actually is and

(01:02:30):
if it's nefarious and all that kind of stuff. But yeah,
he was showing us some really interesting things that it
was pulling from the these images, or like why it
would choose to put this particular subject in somewhere else anyway,
So long story of the short. So I was just
curious bored today while I was at work and I

(01:02:53):
had that screenshot, so I stuck it into Grock, the
Twitter's AI, and so I'll pull up the things here
real quick. Where So I uploaded the screenshot here of it.
So if I had first asked it with this screenshot

(01:03:15):
of just the eyes, you know, what kind of animal
is this? And so it immediately started putting in you know,
this is possibly a deer, this is possibly a fox,
you know, just because of the type of eyeshine. So
then I got really vague with it and I just said,
enhance this photo, draw what is in it. So here's
a screenshot of that, and did you where did that go?

(01:03:39):
So it pulled this up to play with whatever the
heck that is why all things that it looks like
mothman or a demon or something like what is that?
And I like, I turned my phone off.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
I'm like, nope, We're done not playing.

Speaker 10 (01:04:01):
With this anymore. Today so yeah, when you said that
comment a second ago, Roger, That's why I was like, yeah, no,
we're not. I'm not talking about the humanoid things with
demon heads, because that's exactly what a I pulled up
for me earlier today.

Speaker 7 (01:04:19):
Pill for that.

Speaker 9 (01:04:21):
All right, rolling just opposed. How scary that image little frightening.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
Yeah, so a pray to God that that.

Speaker 10 (01:04:30):
Wasn't Yeah, alright, frightening. Yeah, it's fine. So anyway, I
had to ended up. I wasn't going to share that,
but it just came through in our conversation, so I
had to ended up having to share that with you.

Speaker 9 (01:04:45):
Again. The deeper conversation is, that's not just our interpretation.
Is something we were asking a third party, intellectually minded program,
what do you see in this? So whatever process it's
filthy through, if it's going pixel by pixel or shadows,

(01:05:05):
it came up with something very specific. I mean, it
could have done like a lighthouse or I'm just trying
to think of something tall that would have been. It
could have anything but that.

Speaker 10 (01:05:14):
I want to know how it got that that this thing.

Speaker 9 (01:05:19):
Oh yeah, it's your dog, Yes, Ghostbusters.

Speaker 10 (01:05:22):
This is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
For the people we've had about thirty something more people
in here now than earlier. Let's play the video one
more time.

Speaker 10 (01:05:29):
Yes, let's play again. I had a lot of requests
for it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Yeah, very hex got here. Lady's usually right on time.
Let me let me find it, y'all. We've got a
lot of stuff in here.

Speaker 9 (01:05:41):
I mean, maybe it might be you don't know, you don't,
you don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Here we go, it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Blank, sabby screen eyed. Now what.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
Whoa what are we dealing with?

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Are you ready to move?

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
You? Ready?

Speaker 9 (01:06:53):
Again? There's that moment where it looks like it's about
to like come out. Oh, it's.

Speaker 10 (01:07:03):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
We talk about intelligence. Uh, you know, if it's a deer.
I've seen enough deer to know that when they think
they're head, they stay still mm hmm. If the head,
if the head is following and looking at each other,
that's a little bit creepy. Yeah, So thank you. I

(01:07:28):
appreciate y'all sharing that with us. That's I don't know
what to say about it, actually, because I just think,
you know, the people that watch this and see the
other the pictures and stuff, make your own assumption. If
you have an idea, yeah us, yeah, share it with us,
reach out here, any of us and let us know.

Speaker 7 (01:07:50):
I can tell you made hair stand up in places
you didn't know your hand.

Speaker 10 (01:07:55):
Yeah, that's so gracious.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
I don't think people focus enough when somebody has an encounter.
Everybody's into the pictures in the video and all that.
I'm more into the feeling. How were you feeling? What
were you know? Because I've had my stomach jittering and not.
You know, I don't know if I'm hitting by energy
or if it's something that it's fear or a drilling

(01:08:21):
or whatever. But if if I've ever seen a normal animal,
I haven't had that reaction. Now back up quail hunting.
If you flush a covey of quail and you've wropped
beside him, that's a yeah, that's a bad thing.

Speaker 7 (01:08:36):
But funny you should mention that, Roger, have you had
an experienced several years ago? We're big morale mushroom hunters,
and I think you were. She was maybe eight or nine,
and there's always you know, ten or twenty dollars involved
with whomever might find the first mushroom. And she made
her way flying down in the woods, and she ran
up on a partridge on a nest and reached over

(01:08:59):
the partridge not seeing it to pick her first mushroom,
and that bird flushed and beat the crap out of
that kid rightious, And that was the scream heard through
the woods. And there was not one single adult that
could stop laughing long enough to help the poor child.
But I'm sure she, you know, felt primal fear right

(01:09:20):
then and there, so that feeling in your chest went fight,
flight and freeze all hit it one time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Just yeah, that's what I was raised. Just deal with it.
We're gonna laugh at you. You know, we'll get the
tap off of you.

Speaker 12 (01:09:34):
But yeah, that happens with everything in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
That one there was you just reminded me there's something
else y'all were talking about. A terrible scream. Can you
tell tell the audience about that?

Speaker 7 (01:09:49):
Oh the howl?

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:09:52):
Well, when we had first driven past those eyes, not
knowing that you know they were eyes, We just saw
that shine in the woods and you know, kind of
wanted to go park and find ourselves a spot to
sit and kind of gather our thoughts to think about
what that might be. And you know, whether we were
going to drive past back and see what it is

(01:10:12):
or find a different way home. We had pulled over
and stopped, and we had no more than shut that
side by side off and we heard a howl that
was likened to what you would have heard on American
War Wolf in London. I mean, it was just a loud,
horrendous howl followed by a bunch of coyotes. But Abby
said to me, Mom, did you hear that? And like

(01:10:33):
there was no way you couldn't heard it, So yeah,
it was that was horrifying in itself.

Speaker 9 (01:10:39):
Did it give you did it give you that primal feeling?
Like obviously we hear certain noises, we get scared, like
no like even just something like we we know, like
a coyote howling, It can be unsettling, especially when you
hear a lot of them and like they're there, it
feels like you're being circled right. That kind of gives
you the willies. But then when you hear a noise

(01:11:01):
that you're not even sure what it is, it's just
a scream, and there's almost that primal fear that you
we're just not used to experiencing on a day to
day basis. Did you have anything like that when you
heard that house scream before you heard the coyotes?

Speaker 7 (01:11:14):
Where they're two differently. What went through my mind was
the bar made from American wolf were wolf in London
telling us to stay off the moors voice. Yes, definitely
what went through my mind. It's like, oh my lord,
what did going on?

Speaker 9 (01:11:29):
Did you sense anything with the coyotes as well? Like
maybe they have.

Speaker 7 (01:11:33):
Coyotes around here, so, I mean it's commonplace to hear
them usual, and a.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Lot of people that are inexperienced and they haven't been
out in the woods much a lot of times ninety
percent of the time when there's a strange noise in
the woods, that the coyotes will pop off, whipper wheels, squirrels,
you know, everything is take care of itself, but also

(01:12:01):
letting everything else know, right, And I.

Speaker 7 (01:12:04):
Figured that that's what triggered those kyotes. Was that howel
set them off?

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yeah, and I've heard it myself where there's three definite
howls that's not canine or screams, and then the cowties
start yipping. You know, we know three cowdies can sound
like fifteen, but oh.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
They're horrendous and frightening sounding. But I mean we have coyotes,
we have fights, we have owls. I mean, we have bobcats.
They all can make a horrendous why array is that?
You know it's horrendous.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Yes, Robbie, it did so, Robbie asked Robbie. Rainey asked, Maggie,
did it sound like the howl from around my house?

Speaker 7 (01:12:45):
Very much?

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
You being around animals as much as you have being
hunters and whatever, you know, you know when something's not
right exactly so, and that's all right. So, Amanda, yes,
can you tell us about the report you took from Michigan?

Speaker 10 (01:13:07):
We have yet, y'all, Yes, I sure certainly can.

Speaker 7 (01:13:11):
So.

Speaker 10 (01:13:12):
I won't give any names there anything like that, just
because I want to respect the witnesses of privacy. But
it was in response to one of my TikTok videos.
Somebody had mentioned something that they had a a siting,
and so I messaged him, said, hey, if you want
to share more with me, email me, and they did,

(01:13:32):
and so they said they live in uki of Michigan
up there. I forget exactly where. I can probably find
those details for you later, ladies. And she has a
family of bigfoot that is around quite often. You know,
they don't mess with them. They don't mess with her.
But you know, she the lady who I'm referring to,

(01:13:55):
I'm just gonna call her Wanda. I'm just gonna pick
it Wanda. So Wanda has her chickens, and she out
of all her chickens, even though they're her her laying
hens and their meat birds, she's still, you know, you
always have that one that's your favorite out of out
of the bunch, the one she kind of you know,
is almost your pet. And sure enough she was going

(01:14:17):
out that the chickens are making a terrible ruckus. And
she goes out and sure enough there is a sasquatch
in her chicken pen, and so it had the one
that it's carrying off as it sees hers Wanda, it
is turning and it was trying to run away. It's
her favorite chicken. And she yells at it. She's like, no, no, no,

(01:14:41):
not a not her no, no, don't take that's my favorite.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:14:45):
She's yelling and screaming, you know, begging her, begging her
to let it go, and it doesn't, you know, it
runs off into the woods. The next day she goes
out to her bar and her garage and there is
her chicken, but it's wrapped up in a piece of
scrap chicken wire and is almost like a burrito out

(01:15:09):
of it with that chicken wire to hold that chicken
in there, like it was bringing it back so that
it wouldn't get away.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Wow, you know people. Yeah, so that I.

Speaker 10 (01:15:25):
Asked her if she had saved the saved the piece
of chicken wire, and she said, no, we didn't even
think think about that. You know, it's the farm, so
you know, we're.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
Just interaction that it's kind of commonplace.

Speaker 10 (01:15:40):
She wouldn't think too exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:15:43):
So I just thought that I thought it was a gift.
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 10 (01:15:47):
Yeah, basically, but the fact that something as big as
a sasquatch can have the dexterity to wrap up something
like that, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:16:01):
Or the the the thought process yeah, yeah, the thought
process too, Hey, I don't want this thing to get away, uh,
you know, or to emotionally read the lady this this
say you know, no, no, that's my favorite.

Speaker 9 (01:16:16):
Don't bring any any one of the other chickens. But
her like was he the.

Speaker 7 (01:16:20):
Level of intelligence and understanding exactly exactly?

Speaker 9 (01:16:25):
I wonder if she unknowingly made a bargain with it
where it's like, okay, not this one, but does that
mean you're providing me with.

Speaker 7 (01:16:32):
How many others?

Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
How much on how much is this one worth to you? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Yeah, I'll give you this one back. Can I have three?

Speaker 9 (01:16:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Yeah, yeah, no. But you know we're joking. But when
you hear stories like that, and you know we're we're
all wired kind of the same. Like some people were
thinking about the chicken wire, and I'm thinking about the
intelligence and the and the guilt that it showed. Right,
you're like, wait a minute, it that's all.

Speaker 9 (01:17:02):
And also for to be gentle enough to return the
chicken assumingly alive.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
It was.

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
It was unharmed and alive.

Speaker 9 (01:17:08):
Yeah, and those things are massive, I mean bigfoot. For
to not even accidentally heard it, snap it, squish it,
I mean, that's impressive.

Speaker 7 (01:17:18):
I still accidentally poked my dog in the eye trying
to pill it. And I was a vet tech for
almost thirty years.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
So the chicken look at this, My nation says mine
used to steal my eggs out of my chicken coop,
not hurt the chickens or nothing until I figured it
out and then started feeding them. Now they don't touch
my chickens eggs or anything. So that's that's pretty cool.

Speaker 10 (01:17:42):
It's scary.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
It's scary.

Speaker 10 (01:17:45):
The chicken is a bird. Yet the chickens can be tough.
But as you know as a vet tech, Maggie, you
know the birds wings and bones. Hello, incredibly fragile. So
for that sasquatch to bring it back completely unharmed and

(01:18:07):
wrapped in wire like that, without anything being broken everything?

Speaker 9 (01:18:13):
Did you recognize the wire is being your own? Was
that something from your farm?

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:18:19):
No, that's not them. This was my the report that
I took.

Speaker 9 (01:18:22):
Oh, and I knew that I met was the I
meant from the report?

Speaker 7 (01:18:27):
Like?

Speaker 9 (01:18:27):
Was it was it?

Speaker 7 (01:18:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:18:28):
They recognized. They just said chicken wire. I don't know
if it was from their farm. I don't remember that detail.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
But so Maggie and Abby did did this encounter Uh
change how.

Speaker 9 (01:18:43):
You wait, Roger? Well?

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Either one? Either one? I mean, so are you? Abby
said that, you know she went back out there, are y'all?

Speaker 7 (01:18:55):
Yo? Go?

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
So it didn't change anything?

Speaker 7 (01:18:58):
Oh, we're definitely I'm morels turning a little bit more.
I wasn't too into it before this. Oh this is definitely,
you know, kindled an interest that's far greater now than
it ever was.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
I'm going to predict every time that road you're going
to be looking for tracks.

Speaker 7 (01:19:15):
You can't go I can't go down that road without
just my eyes are peeled and constantly looking over your shoulder.
It's been researching flare guns if I can legally carry
it in the side, you know, because you know some
kind of stuff difference. I mean, I have a gun
that I can carry. It's only illegal. Yeah, with my

(01:19:38):
luck actually caught.

Speaker 9 (01:19:43):
Your luck. You've had three at least three. That amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:19:49):
I'll get caught.

Speaker 10 (01:19:53):
Abby. What does your boyfriend think of all of this?

Speaker 7 (01:19:57):
He's skeptical.

Speaker 9 (01:19:58):
What did he not say the same video?

Speaker 14 (01:20:03):
Yeah, he only showed it to him the other night,
like try to spark the conversation back up.

Speaker 9 (01:20:08):
Is he's just like, oh, that's weird, okay, whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:20:12):
It's not a deer, but it doesn't know what it is.

Speaker 10 (01:20:15):
It sounds like my husband.

Speaker 7 (01:20:16):
That's on a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
But that's what I always get. Like you, I have
audio and they're like, ah, well, it sounds like an elephant.
It sounds like we're in Tennessee. I mean yeah, I
think so you're saying it's big, right, right, so you
got hunting season coming up?

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
Or it is probably we're in we're in it now
since October first, but it's done nothing but rain here
and be ugly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Contract right.

Speaker 7 (01:20:54):
Now, as soon as it gets a little nicer, we'll
be back out there. It's been ugly here.

Speaker 9 (01:20:59):
Uh you are sorry now, I'm I'm I'm the annoying one.
Who's my brain?

Speaker 7 (01:21:05):
It's the question I have that thing, weird brain, poor
rogers like number doesn't count.

Speaker 9 (01:21:15):
So we talk about this a lot on the show,
especially like amandon I and our experiences in the woods,
where it's like we don't necessarily think of it in
terms of like giving power to anything as far as
thought process, but we try to be mentally aware of
when we're in the woods and it's like, hey, we're
projecting energy of like no harm.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:21:36):
I know for me it's like I I'll say sometimes
in the woods in my own head, like I don't
want to see you, please, with all due respect, I
know you're there, I know I'm in your home. This
is only temporary. I'll be respectful and like, just these
things right. And so when you're when you're out in
the woods, you obviously know these things are out there,
whatever they are, but you know something's out there. Do

(01:21:59):
you feel like do you ever do that with yourself,
like kind of take measure of where your energy's at
and funnel that in any type of way or or
is it are you just like we're in the woods,
we're looking for mushrooms. These things are out there.

Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
You're doing it. My only true worry is I do
not do snakes. And we only have one. You're only
one poisonous snake here, and that's a massive siva rattlesnake,
and they're very rare. But I don't do snakes. I
consider you're so lucky. I'm going to But yeah, snakes
are my only really big worry. And I will wet myself.

(01:22:34):
I'll vomit.

Speaker 9 (01:22:35):
It's a damn mess, that's what you're You just saw
what a I saw, and you were worried about snakes.

Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
Okay, is that coming a snake? Step one is a
damn mess.

Speaker 9 (01:22:45):
Okay, Indy, that's I want to add you in my
phone just so I can put you in as Indie.

Speaker 7 (01:22:50):
You can call me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
I do the same thing, Maggie, Shane Corson and uh,
I have one only had one good question. I was
going to ask him. I was watching one of the
documentaries and Shane just bust right into these huckleberry bush
or whatever they are, and he's like he disappears, and
I pause it, and I'm like, get to Google out,

(01:23:15):
and I'm like, it's a snake situation over there, thinking of.

Speaker 10 (01:23:18):
Those snakes and the spiders. I mean, we we're down here.
I don't mean you, Roger. We got to worry about
not only rattlesnakes, but copperheads and water moccasins and wolf spiders,
black widows. Now we've got to spiders. You can stomp

(01:23:40):
on them, you can wear gloves, except when they're hanging
in the woods and they're right in front of your
face and you walk into their web and then they
crawl on you.

Speaker 7 (01:23:48):
Abby with like three and a half and I ran
off and left her, literally left her in the woods
because she came up to me with like a little
pop adder snake that was playing dead. And that's like, gone, no,
calm myself down and say, hey, you just left your
small child like fifty yards back there. Get reality came

(01:24:10):
back to your iTANs all.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Like, yeah, you know, so have y'all have y'all heard
you know, local stories from around your area of I
don't know, dog man boogers or strange things have you?
Is that something that's been talked about in your community.
I know some people don't talk about it, but have

(01:24:35):
y'all personally heard stories there's well, there's.

Speaker 7 (01:24:39):
A few things around here.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
I mean, we have.

Speaker 7 (01:24:43):
Other kind of cryptid uh anomaly in our area. They're
the melon heads, any of you. Yes, I like it.
You guys have the growing up in the South you had,
you know, getting before the boogers get you up here,
it's getting before dark and melon hans get you.

Speaker 10 (01:25:03):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
I think that sounds scarier.

Speaker 7 (01:25:06):
Yeah, the wobbleheads as I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Yeah, what's interesting y'all were talking about, you know, the
Midwest and you know the big areas. When Heather and
I got married, I've told this before, but I waited
to tell her a lot of my experiences.

Speaker 9 (01:25:28):
You were married, so she couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
I got the sign on the dotted line. Oh, I
gotta tell you something.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
But we were out in Wyoming, actually the boys Wyoming, okay,
and we were taking back roads. Almost got in trouble
a couple of times because you know, certain times year
it can drop snow on you like like that and
you're in a mess. But anyway, so we were way
back in the middle of nowhere. It was beautiful. Uh.
She had the window that we're on the way back out.

(01:25:57):
We went nine miles back and turned around and we're
easing back. It's just it was like postcard, uh Yellowstone scenery,
you know the TV show, you know some of the
And I was just, man, I love this. And we're
not talking, and I'm this gravel gravel road and I'm
barely moving and on her side the truck over the

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river there was, for lack of better description, out and
she snaps her head around and she said, did you
hear that? I sure did. I said, what do you
think about that? She said, I think I've been watching
too many of these shows with you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:41):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Could it have been somebody up in the woods trying
to scare the tourists? Yeah, but would that person need
a vehicle? Probably in that area. Uh, it could have
been hikers, which would have been funny. I mean I've
I've I played jokes on you know, tourists, so I
know how it is.

Speaker 9 (01:26:58):
But that are in a random trail in Wyoming.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Yes, and y'all. What reminded me of it was y'all
were talking about you know, you you see a hill,
you think it's a hill, and it's a mountain twenty
five miles away or fifty, you know, and it's like,
were you ever going to get there?

Speaker 7 (01:27:19):
Tripping Vegas and looking at the strategy and thinking it's
closed and it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Yeah, I got it, Okay, since we're telling stories. I
went to Vegas one time and I didn't have a
head on, no trying got banned. No, But I had
a flat top back then, early ninety three I think
it was, and just what Maggie said, I was too
cheap to get a cab or whatever. And I'm looking.

(01:27:46):
I'm like, oh, the Mirage is just right over there. Yeah,
I'm a walk So I'm walking and walking and walking
and walking. In my head starts burning. So I had
been thinking, man, these people, some of these, even Las Vegas,
are weird because this one's doing something weird and this
one's doing something. Halfway to the Mirage, I'm walking with

(01:28:07):
my hand on top of my head and people are
looking at me. I'm right in and I go into
this shop. The first shop I find has souvenirs and
I had to buy and now I bought the lesser
of the evils. But the hat that I bought, y'all
was red swede leather and had glitter Las Vegas and gold.

(01:28:35):
So here I am, you know, walking with this horrendous hat.
But you're right, if you think it's a mile down
the road, it's probably ten. So it just plays tricks
on you because being out west, you know, here, I'm
a pretty good judge of distance. That's out the window
when we go. While I'm in Nebraska, you know, wherever

(01:28:56):
it's it's just I have no idea. So yeah, that's
you brought back memories when you were telling that.

Speaker 7 (01:29:02):
Now, there have been sightings, in reports of sightings in
this area of Sasquatch. There have been dog man reportings
in Alligan County in the nineties, so yeah, it's not
without I know, on untold mysteries. Or they did a
special here on some UFOs that were in the area

(01:29:25):
in the early nineties ninety four and ninety five. They
had a sequence of events that took place here and
they did a special on that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Was it like a mass sighting type thing problems, Yes,
it was, Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:29:35):
It was a a couple of different evening in March.
I think it was the twenty seventh through the twenty ninth.
They had several sightings from the Indiana border all the
way on up to the up They had a lot
of activity going on.

Speaker 9 (01:29:48):
Did you recall any scuttle but the next day after
that video footage was taken in anybody else in and
around your area? C experienced anything where that night or
after that.

Speaker 7 (01:30:00):
Yeah. The only strange thing that we had noticed, and
that was over a three week time frame, is that
our local funvil or Facebook informed page was full of
missing dogs and cats. Oh wow, there were a lot
of missing dogs and cats.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Are you know?

Speaker 9 (01:30:20):
Wait? Oh sorry, go ahead, Roger.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Now, I wrote for a small newspaper two thousand and
nine ish maybe, and we had a Facebook page that
was for the paper, and I did it so the
it'd be like a hub for people to come in
and submit stories and whatever and give us ideas well.
What it turned into was everything community page lost and
found all this. And you're right, I knew about the

(01:30:46):
mountain lions here, which everybody denied it, but I'd seen
too many of them, and I started noticing certain halas.
And I'm not saying it was all mountain lions, but
you know, dogs and cats and pets missing, you know,
it may be for a mile or two, but in
a certain hollow. And then there was hot spots all

(01:31:09):
around these three four or five counties. I didn't, of course,
I didn't say, you know, they're probably gone or whatever,
but hey, we'll keep an eye out, you know. But
they never showed back up. So somethings the predators are
getting the animals. I would lean first towards, uh, you know,
mountain lions, coyotes, stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (01:31:31):
But there's you know, the kyote population is heavy here.
We have the Kunazoo River runs right along this area,
lots of tributary streams, creeks. You know, Lake Michigan is
four miles to the west. Yeah, a game preserve just
five miles to our south, which is you know, except
for Canadian geese and white tailed deer. I mean, we

(01:31:52):
have orchards, farmlands, and then you know, a National forest
right around us. So I mean you kind of have
everything anything predator wise would want here to sustain itself.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Yeah, it's well, I appreciate y'all coming on and sharing
the story with us, because you know, we know that's
a big step. You've had a little experience, you know,
co hosting and when you how did you get into that?
Was it something where you wanted to tell your story
at first?

Speaker 7 (01:32:25):
Or I got into it. Daniel and I actually struck
up a friendship through Facebook and it kind of developed
through through there, and then he asked me to come
on and talk about my bigfoot experience and that's how
that came to be. And then you know this with
this experience inciting came well after my co hosting with him.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
And that that kind of sounds like I kind of
accidentally backed into this too, So what's.

Speaker 7 (01:32:51):
Wonderful. Yeah, I've made so many great friends and what
a wonderful community of people who are accepting in kind
and understanding.

Speaker 9 (01:33:00):
Are weird, but we're super friendly, like.

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
And you are you keep it how it should go?

Speaker 10 (01:33:07):
Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (01:33:08):
Are you still doing that show? For a while, we
had some family stuff that came up and had needed
to take a break, but Daniel and I have been
back in contact and so we'll be doing some more
co hosting together here pretty quick.

Speaker 10 (01:33:20):
So that'd be awesome.

Speaker 9 (01:33:23):
Yeah, Well, your show for sure, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Go ahead. No, no good, I didn't have anything. I
was just going to go and look at, uh, look
at some of the stuff we had coming up for
next week. Go ahead, you do what you were doing.

Speaker 9 (01:33:41):
Oh, I was just going to ask what what Maggie
and Abby's opinions respectfully were on on dog man Bigfoot?
What do you think they are? What are you? What?
What comes to mind? Are you kind of flesh and blood?
Are you woo? Just just out of curiosity, you guys
suppose seems so open minded and honestly, I if I

(01:34:04):
were in the woods and ship was going down, I
think I want Maggie with me.

Speaker 7 (01:34:08):
I think I want to know about that.

Speaker 10 (01:34:12):
Actually, I can.

Speaker 9 (01:34:16):
Take care of this. I can take care of the snakes.
I need somebody to run the getaway buggy and with call.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Or feilm evidence like you know, well I'm while I'm panicking,
then reckon.

Speaker 10 (01:34:28):
Us right in your video.

Speaker 9 (01:34:32):
Yes, yeah, you guys make it look easy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Good yeah, good job.

Speaker 7 (01:34:37):
We were our pants, I trust you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
I tell people that all the time. They're like, well,
you seemed kind of calm, and I'm like, well, I
was running like kick inside, Yes, yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (01:34:51):
Was showing the wheel is still spinning.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Let me do y'all. I found the video hidden away
in my computer. Of when I on all those tracks
in the LBO, I'll be showing that sometime in the future.
I'm learning as we go. I've been doing I've only
been doing this like three years, and I'm just now
figuring out the basics.

Speaker 7 (01:35:10):
So the same thing I have to have a text
here frequently helped me. Please, Yeah, was a panic microphone
just like my God.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
You look at it. Uh, I'm fifty four. I grew
up without that technology.

Speaker 7 (01:35:27):
So that's first close to the same age.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
So right, that's not the first thing that I think of, right, No,
I useduld carry a camera with me everywhere, just for
steel photos, just because uh Man told me one time,
he said, uh, the difference between a good photographer and
a great photographer the one that keeps the camera with
them all the time, you know. And so I always
had a good camera. I don't have that anymore. I

(01:35:51):
have the phone. But that's not the first thought, right,
And so Abby her generation, they she was born with
a phone in her hand basically, you know. And and
so that was just a natural reaction for her. And
I'm glad she was with you.

Speaker 7 (01:36:06):
So you're right there, Roger. She was born to have
the phone, really smart phone to come around till I
was at least well you've never to the wall. Yes,
I have my.

Speaker 10 (01:36:20):
Cord.

Speaker 7 (01:36:22):
You let them, let them fight, Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Yeah, that's right. Uh So y'all next week. Uh, you know,
we're we're basically we're basically a Bigfoot show, but we
find out there's a lot of things that are tied in. Yeah,
and uh, we want to highlight as much as we can.

Speaker 7 (01:36:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Maybe there's connections, maybe not, but I'm looking forward to
this one. Also, thank you Ashley for making a cool thumbnail.
Mister Davis M. K. Davis is joining us next week.
We're going to talk about the Bigfoot giants. And I

(01:37:05):
don't know if we'll get kicked off the internet for
the Smithsonian Secret. But I've been doing research and y'all
there's some some institutions that are not our friends. I
just put it that way. There there have been hundreds
and hundreds of strange evidence found and given to them,

(01:37:34):
and they're gone and giants. Now, what intrigues me about
the giants is you go back and all of history,
the Bible, you go through the cave drawings, oral history,
you go to the barrel mounds, the Native American barrel mounds,
and they have found giants with the head facing north

(01:37:54):
and the feet facing south. I didn't know it, but
there's Richland Creek. I can be at Richland Creek in
three minutes. And supposedly there's a mound because I found
that video. There's a mound right over here that got
washed away, and there's documentation supposedly of giant bone.

Speaker 7 (01:38:15):
So anyway, yeah, even Abraham Lincoln mentioned it.

Speaker 10 (01:38:21):
He said, the eyes of that species of extinct giants
whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed on
Niagara as ours do now when he's talking about Niagara Falls.

Speaker 9 (01:38:32):
So of all people make the connection between the giants
and the mountains that we are only speculating now. The
fact that it was just so well known and so common.
And I think that's the thing that we forget about
when it comes to our histories. Things that we're relearning

(01:38:53):
are not necessarily new. We're relearning things that maybe we're
far more common back then. I have to talk with
somebody here, actually, you know what, I take it back,
This is probably like a year ago, so a little
a little over a year ago of an acquaintance I
had made, actually, Amanda, you might remember him, uh, the

(01:39:14):
gentleman who used to work for the Dickinson Museum who
went to all the social events. Now I can't remember
his name, but anyway, we were talking about that, and
it's like there's an actual word for it of when
you the disassociation you have with relearning something as opposed
to why, because it's like, well, why aren't these things

(01:39:36):
mentioned in books are made such a big deal of
And it's like, well, why would you? Why would you
make a big deal out of something that is so commonplace?
And anyway, I'm I'm excited to learn more from MK
and the Giants and the you know absolutely show the
bones Smithsonian. We know you got him, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:39:54):
History before they lose it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
And yeah, what what was the saint? What was his
name that they say he was between twelve and eighteen
feet tall and he had had a dog shaped head.

Speaker 10 (01:40:10):
Yeah, Saint Christopher.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 9 (01:40:15):
Since kind of stuff like yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
So anyway, well, hopefully I'm going to I'm going to
study more. There's too much out there.

Speaker 7 (01:40:29):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
In the we always say paranormal or normal. The normal
has been hid from us. So when Maggie sees something
that looks like a dog and walking on two feet. Yeah,
there throughout history, there's been reports of that. There's been
reports in your area that we just showed from the
eighteen hundred. So yeah, it might make you feel crazy

(01:40:52):
because it's not talked about. But when as many people
in the chat and the people that will listen later, really,
when you have something like that happened to you, it
changes your views. And I feel like that's the main
thing that's not wanted by the powers that be, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:41:13):
So I just find it interesting how the default is crazy.
I don't want to seem crazy. I don't want people
to think I'm crazy. Oh that person's crazy. They saw
they say they saw whatever in the woods, And I'm like,
why is crazy? The default when to assume that we
know every nuance of nature and science and creation and

(01:41:35):
all of these things, and we're always discovering new creatures.
And when we say new creatures, it could be a
small zoo plank team, it could be a brand new
species of some huge giant creature whatever. But it's like, man,
I just I really hope through our show, other shows
like this like to make that safe space kind of

(01:41:58):
for people that like weird, eccentric, whatever, short but crazy. No,
I think I think kind of eclectic thought patterns.

Speaker 11 (01:42:11):
Well, and that's another thing, please, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
Well, y'all, Thank you, ladies, thank you great. It's been fun.
I've been looking forward to this. Anytime you can get
a counter. Yeah, and the counter that's uh not from
like fifty years ago, you know, uh, it's it's it's amazing.
And that's why I wanted, like, we need to get

(01:42:38):
this and my thing is we need to get it documented, right,
that's it. That's what we're doing. We want to get
the truth out there for for the future generations or
or when it's finally said, y'all we've been lying to you,
this is real, this is real, and this is real,
then the people that don't know are going to go
to the internet. They're going to go to YouTube, and

(01:43:00):
they're going to start searching. We need the information there
for them because and we need to be there for them.
If we're around, we might we might be the support.

Speaker 7 (01:43:10):
Any little bit of you know, we're not researchers, but
you know, any little bit of shared knowledge helps somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
Agreed, absolutely, y'all, y'all may have something that you don't
realize yet that may help.

Speaker 9 (01:43:24):
It's a piece of the puzzle.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
Piece of the puzzle to cherish something.

Speaker 7 (01:43:29):
All right, y'all, thank you guys so very much. You
has been a great night.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Thank you, nice meeting you. And if you have anything
else happened, you've got our information.

Speaker 7 (01:43:39):
We'll be in touch into everyone in chat. Thank you
very much. I'm sorry we couldn't keep up with the keyboard, but.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
And I don't I don't think people realize how fast
the chat goes.

Speaker 10 (01:43:50):
And yeah, pretty good tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
And when you're trying to listen to the guest, think
of a question, uh, and remember what pictures you have
and whatever and kind of make.

Speaker 7 (01:44:01):
It clicks in your head.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
It's gone, yep, exactly and it one, two, three, four.
There's five uh messages I can see right now. I
can't scroll.

Speaker 7 (01:44:15):
Please don't think we were being rude. Guys. We love
you all.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
Yep, all right, we will talk to you all later.

Speaker 7 (01:44:22):
Everybody, everybody, Roger, you held up well under all the
female pressure.

Speaker 9 (01:44:30):
Don't you have that credit.

Speaker 7 (01:44:33):
Raining back in? It will be over.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
I'm more comfortable around a bunch of women because they
will tell you exactly how they feel when they're in
the group, when you're one on one, they yeah, anyway,
all right, thank y'all.

Speaker 7 (01:44:49):
Thank you guys, good night, everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:45:01):
Actor, the founder fortun