Squatchin' Holler #15 Sabe Hunters: Tate Hieronymus in the Wild

Documentary film maker joins us to discuss Bigfoot evidence.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to Squatching Holler.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
In the midst where the trees lean low, Squatching Hollers
gotta tell the show. Wisps creep like creature's faint out.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Every shadows got a secret to grow?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Monsters rise? Where the stories are told? Squatching Hollow where
the legends are born? Are they?

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Are they gone? Who can say? In the hollow of
the true just slips away? Huge foot prints fade where

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the creek runs them. A lantern sways. Let the search begin,
rustling waves, but there's no one near. Is it the
wind or the beast?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
You fear?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Everywhere goes a question. Every russell's a clue. Splotching Holly's
got its eye on.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
You, Monstauss stories are torn? Spatching How where the legends
are born? Are they?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Are they gone?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Who can see.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Thee not?

Speaker 5 (01:59):
And now with your Squatching Holler hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers,
and Ashley Rammings. Remember this podcast can be downloaded everywhere
great podcasts are found. And now the show.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Hello, Hello everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Hey, Hey Roger, how's it going.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
It's going great. I'm looking forward to this. I look
forward to all of them, but I think this was
going to be kind of a relax show. And what
I mean is Tate does so much we're not gonna
have to worry about what anything, you know, a subject
to talk about, right, I think my TV has been

(02:49):
binging for two days straight on just his channel. And y'all,
right now, before we get started, let me put the
banner up here. Just go, I mean, not right now,
but you're write just down Tate Hieronymous at Tate Hieronymous
and there's plenty if you're at home and want to

(03:09):
binge on some bigfoot stuff. Uh, check him out. I
think he's up to I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Sixteen sixteen or yeah, sixteen or so episodes.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
And they're they're they're not thirty minutes long either, they're
you know, they're long. So but yeah, our buddy Glenn
from out out West h got us in contact with Tate,
which I've been, you know, watching his stuff and I
know some of the same people that he does, but
we've never crossed paths. So m h. So have you been, Amanda?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Oh? Been pretty good? Wide open as always, same.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Here, So y'all we're going to So the title may
confuse some of y'all like it did me a few
years ago. Uh, I didn't know what the word cib meant.
And for just getting started here, we're gonna do the
goofy trivia. I could listen to that for all right.

(04:21):
You want me to read the question for everybody?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, you read the question to everybody and I'll give
the answer tonight.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay, and y'all, I've got a slide with a short answer,
but Amanda has more explanation. So where did the word
sabe come from? And what does it mean? Anybody? Anybody?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Any takers?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
You probably can guess. We got a hay chat Larry everybody.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Somebody says, is it not Spanish.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Rocking and rolling?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Actually? I know it is not.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Getting closer butt Wormed changed you to bt worm me
best name in Chad ever, Yeah, but YouTube change it
all right, so we can we can just get right to.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
It, all right, So here is our answer and let
me there we go. Yeah, so it is actually the
Ojibway word for sasquatch. So sabe has originated from the
Ojibwe people, which are out of the Great Lakes General area, Minnesota, Michigan,

(05:33):
that kind of area. But what's really interesting in that
reason I wanted to share it with everybody tonight. Is
while I was researching a little bit about it, it
was talking how in the Ojibway folklore lexicon insert word
right there. I'm sorry, I can't think of the right
word to use word. But anyway, in their teachings, uh

(05:57):
Sabe is actually a spiritual teacher and he is They
are represented as one of the seven sacred teachings for
the Ojibway people. So let me pull it up here.
I thought it was actually really interesting. So the Ojibway
have seven different sacred teachings and each one is represented
by a different animal. So I'll just read what it

(06:19):
says here. These are fundamental virtues, each represented by an
animal guiding a good life. Number one is wisdom, which
is the beaver. It uses knowledge for the good of all.
Two is love, which is the eagle. Unconditional care see
from a higher perspective, which makes sense seeing as eagles

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are always flying above. Respect comes from the buffalo, which
I'm going to mess that one up because or not
mess that one up, counteract that one that actually here
in America it's bison, not buffalo. So anyway, just my
little lama, two cents. That is respect for honor all

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creation and give without expectation. Number four is bravery, for
the bear face fear and adversity with courage. Number five
is honesty, which is the save and their teaching is
be truthful in words and in action, and live authentically,

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which I think actually summarizes Sasquatch to Tea. And then
we have number six, which is humility or excuse me, humility,
which is the wolf, know your place in creation and
serve others. And number seven is truth, which is the
turtle live by nature and spiritual laws and speak only truth.

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So I thought all of that was really interesting and
I wanted to share it with everybody.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I'm glad you did because I was thinking half of
them are not going to know, which included me where
the word came from. That gives me the first question
for mister Tate. We're gonna bring him in.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Let's go ahead and bring him on so we can
started start picking his brain.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
How are you guys good?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
So the obvious question is how or why did you
pick that as it was Apparently it was important to
you because you're doing a whole series and that is
searched for SABE. So how did that come about?

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Well, I will say The original title was just a
search for sabway, there was no sasquatch in it, but
people were like, you should put sasquatch it because nobody
knows what sabi.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Means worried, right, So yeah, search word.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
So and it just kind of looks cool with the
title sasquatch or search for save. But kind of where
I came up with that was I was watching Survivor
Man Bigfoot, and I heard less Strata talk about it,
and he was saying how he was in Manitoba, Canada
and he heard what was called the Seven Teachings, and
he said, how Bigfoot another name for Bigfoot is sabe

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and how it means honesty, and that's you know, with television,
there's a lot of dishonest editing and not a lot
of truth out you know, out there, and even in
YouTube sometimes there's not a lot of truthful filmmakers. There's
only a handful. So I wanted to make the title
also about Bigfoot, so it's Bigfoot and it means honesty

(09:24):
at the same time. And so everything that's in my series,
I go honestly about it and I don't fake anything,
and that's very important. So that kind of embodies the
whole series and how I go about filming and my
research just in general.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
That's awesome. I like that.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, if i'd known that, i'd been a bigger fan,
because I mean, that's that's one thing. That's one thing
I started doing this. I was trying to learn because
of my situation that happened years ago, and when we
started talking to people, when I started inner viewing people
and I decided to do a show or anything on YouTube,

(10:04):
That's what I tell people. If I don't know, I'm
not going to make up an answer, and if we're
not I'm not going to show you a stump squatch picture.
And and you know, now I've had some weird stuff happen.
But I'm like, yeah, I don't know what this is, y'all.
Let me give me some ideas. So, uh, I think
that's the best way to go about it, because, uh,

(10:27):
once you lose the trust. And I watched a lot
of yours, your videos, and you know, we talk about
just sitting on the front porch talking about Bigfoot here
and it your your videos, the pace and stuff. It's
just like friends going out and looking for Bigfoot and

(10:48):
it's just you're with them yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yeah, if you forget that you want to go out
there to film things because you're like hanging out and
just having a good time. And then you're like, oh, yeah,
I gotta do this because like came you for that.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
And kudos to mister Hieronymus for doing a blooper.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Real, Oh you like that blooper?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
So I was. I saw it today and I got
to check that out.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
It's a that's very tamed what you see.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I can imagine.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
It's a lot more colorful. It's it's so funny because me,
Alex and Jonathan were always like Ron, We're always like
kind of talking back and forth, like, man, we can't
use any of the footage because of what people are
saying on camera. We have to just use it as
a bee roll.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
It's so bad you get canceled exactly like an instant
flag on YouTube. Yeah, so we're like, hey, everybody quiet,
I'm filming you and people.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
You know that clutch the pearls. I can't believe it.
He said that. You go, you go into a barber
shop or a beauty shop down here, and it's own go.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
It's well, it's so funny because like in normal society,
like in bigger cities or like like where we live,
there's a lot of rules people follow, but when you
get out way out there, it kind of just goes
out the window. Even like really small towns don't have
the same kind of decency. I guess you would say
when it comes to word usage, and they're on a

(12:26):
completely different level out there.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah it's Gary, Please be sure and hit the thumbs up.
So how many There's a few questions I have. How
many states have you been to so far? Out with
your boots on the ground. Now, I'm gonna say this.

(12:49):
We don't have many trolls, but sometimes in the comments
after the show, you know, you get them. Everybody get you.
And I'm like, tell me, you only watch two minutes
of the show without telling me that, because they'll they'll
get offended by something and they'll they'll leave a horrible
comment or whatever. I just laugh. I laugh at them.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
I stopped trying to please people like I just I
make things for myself.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
You know, that's right. And what I was going to
say is, y'all take gets out there. I would love
to stay out looking, but a lot of people don't
have the opportunity. And he takes his free time, and
and you can tell by the videos he's doing this
for him and us. Uh, there are places that he's

(13:31):
been to that I'll never get to see. So I'm
I'm looking around, you know, at the at the scenery
and at the terrain and stuff, and some of them
I'm like, Nope, I'm not going there.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
But say with me, I'm like, yeah, there's no way
I'm getting my.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Butt out in there, right. And boots on the tate
equals boots on the ground absolutely, So yeah, the h
have you been to to do that?

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Not as much as I would like, I'm kind of
sad to say, and a lot of it, I mean,
to be honest, there's so many places I want to
go to, but there's also some places I've been to
that I still haven't explored all of it yet. I mean,
there's places in northern California that I haven't been to,
and I like, I've never been to Shasta and I
can't tell you how many times I've been up to
Bluff Creek, you know, it's kind of up in that area.

(14:17):
So I want to go to Shasta. Still, I've never
been to Crater Lake. I want to go there, But
you know to answer how many states I've been to
for filming and even not filming. I've been to Missouri,
I've been to trying to think, Idaho. I've been to Washington.
I've been to California. I've been to Oregon. I've been
to Georgia. I think that's really about it. It well in

(14:40):
Florida obviously, So those are kind of the places I
really done work in. There's still other places I really
want to get to that's on my bucket list.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
So well, I think I hope, I hope you do
for our sake.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, I think I'm going to hit up Atlanta. Not Atlanta, Sorry,
I will be in Atlanta, but I don't know when yet.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
If you get close, let us know.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Oh yeah, for sure. I'm trying to go up for
the Olympics this year, so well next six.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
So you know, we can we can get started. A
lot of people they like the they like the scary stuff.
You know, I could talk about anything and that That's
what I love about doing a show like this. But
let's get to one thing. So I believe it was
Buck Creek.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah, southern California.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, is that is that where you caught the night? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:43):
That thermal that was that was near a town called Gorman, California,
that was probably about a couple hours from where I
lived in Ventura, because I lived in southern California for
four years, so I found well, I was kind of
I asked Cliff, hey, where's a good place to go
that I don't have to travel to the Redwoods like way,

(16:06):
because I think even the closest Redwoods were, or even
the Sierras were about four or five hours from me,
give or take. I didn't want to be traveling that way.
So Cliff's like, yeah, go to this place that's over here.
And I went there and I found tracks or possible tracks.
I sat on those for a years. Then I tweeted
Moneymaker and he met me out there, and that same

(16:30):
day I ended up getting a video of one on
a thermal camera. But interesting to note there was a
guy of that same year that filmed a possible sasquatch
on the grapevine in July, and then I got my
thermal video in October of the same year, and it's
kind of you know, as the bird flies, it's I

(16:51):
want to say, maybe six seven miles, so it's not
very far away.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, it's not far at all, especially for these things.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
No, and it's it was I was really close, and
I'm I did not expect anything to happen that night.
And actually that was my first time using a thermal
imager ever. And so if you've actually watched the video,
I'm like flipping through the filters because I cannot see
through that that lens right there, and I just I

(17:20):
couldn't see until I got home the next day and
looked on the computer, like, oh my god, but I
heard a response because I did a whoop and it
responded back, and we saw eye shine me and my friend.
And my friend who was with me is actually a skeptic,
and if you ask him today, he's like, I don't
know what I saw, but I can't explain it either.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Right, And that's and and I would rather have people
with me like that than every crack or branch or anything.
Oh my god, that's a big foot, you know. That's uh.
You surround yourself with people. And I will talk about trust,
lot y'all think about what he just said. He called
people up and they gave him an area to go research.

(18:00):
You don't get that without trust, I mean, it would
be hard for me to tell my best friend where
I go fishing at. You know, so well, the nice.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Center of this place is it's really hard for people
to get to unless you kind of have like a
four by four kind of vehicle because the road up
there is pretty rough.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I've seen some of the like where y'all walk in
a lot of times the drop off is would be
terrifying if you're on the passioner side of a jeep.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
You know, yeah, it's it's, it's it can it can
be pretty bad. I remember it was really cool because
nothing happened, but it was in one of the episodes.
It was the southern California of my thermal side area.
But we had this plan because I usually plan like
a year ahead, like Okay, we're gonna get this spot
and go here. And we had the plan to go
to southern California to my my site, and uh, we're like, oh,

(18:52):
there's gonna be a hurricane hitting California and like the
first hurricane I don't know how many.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Years ever in my lifetime, probably I think it was.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
It was like eighty years it's been since hurricanes hit California.
And we were like, let's.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Go anyway, wait, a minute. We got was that hurricane
by the chance named Hillary.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah, it was Hurricane Hillary.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
We got a Hillary and chant that's why she picks
on me all time. So Hurricane Hillary. I don't know
how I remember that, but anyway, it was.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
It was crazy because we we camped there in like
the first day was fine. I can't remember how many
days we were, but we got there and it was fine.
Then the rain started coming in and they were like,
oh man, we're not gonna go up the mountain because
if it gets washed out, we're stuck up there. And
so we drove back down in camp somewhere and we
had just like the jankiest setup of tarps between my

(19:47):
jeep and Glenn's truck and we're backed up to each
other and Glenn we had, we had ron Reed, my
friend Austin, myself, and I can't remember I we had
a dog with us or not, but we were all
in the jeep and it got bad. At one point
Austin went and slept in the like kind of wet tent.
It was kind of dry.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
There wasn't anything dry out there. It didn't look like.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
It was crazy, because the next day it was. It
cleared up and it was it was cold, but we
drove to the top of the mountain. No no, no, sorry.
The day it was raining. Before the next day happened.
We were all sitting in the truck and I thought
somebody was shaking my jeep. I'm like, dude, what the heck.
But there was an earthquake that happened. Oh my god, hurricane.

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I'm like, dude, this is amazing.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
And it was like it was California thing ever to happen,
I know.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
But all at the same time, you know, so I
felt like I could have went and bought lottery tickets.
It got really lucky. But even crazier enough, the next
night we had another earthquake because I was it was
I can't remember, it was like one or two in
the morning, and I got back and I'm like sleeping

(21:01):
in the jeep and I could feel my jeep shaking.
I'm like, dude, that's another earthquake.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
That's a pretty good size one. And and another thing,
uh watching some of your your videos, that's that's actually
pretty scary. I know, y'all had an incident where something
some rocks came off of a bluff down to where
y'all were at.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Yeah, that was. That was that predated thebe series. That
was my I was filming for Uncovering the Truth of
Sasquatch documentary I made. And yeah, that was the first
time I met Alex and Eli.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah that was.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
That was like the second or third being on the
trail that they did for STM and so I. They
wanted to go out to Bluff Creek and we got
connected with them. I met him in southern California. Then
we drove up. We had a good time. We camped
in the redwoods at this random spot and that was
a good good time hanging out. And yeah, we got up.

(22:03):
We met with Bobo on a property that I think
somebody Bobo knows how something happened. So we went and
checked that out, and then we drove out to Loos
Camp and just a few hundred yards before Lous Camp
is where that rock slide came. Because there's actually an
old road up.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
There, right, so if I remember correctly, or walkers through it, y'all,
you were filming, right, so when this happened, or.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
We weren't even like trying to, we weren't even filming,
and it just so happened. Eli wanted to film for
some reason and because he was just filming with his
cell phone. Thankfully he did because that was pretty cool
to get on camera. I mean, you don't obviously see anything.
You hear things happening, right, But what people don't hear
is after we were tossing rocks down in the bottom

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of the creek, the rock slide happened and as we're
looking up to see what was causing those rocks to
fall down at us, we the three of us, simultaneously
heard something walking in the creek below us, like a diversion. Yeah,
wed we talk about it on camera. Well I did
not in one of my videos, but one of Bluff

(23:14):
Creeks stm be on the trail. We actually there's like
a longer version of us talking about it, but yeah,
something was walking in the creek right below us. We
all heard it clear as day.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
So, you know, the more we learn about these things, uh,
it makes sense because there's multiple stories from witnesses and
where three and four and five people were there and
they have a diversion, a sound or rock toss and
then the ones that you know, y'all y'all walking at

(23:47):
night and slipping up on something, you.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Know that's the thing too, We weren't we weren't doing
bigfoot anything. We're just driving into set up camp because
we're setting up camp in the dark at this point,
it's already nighttime, and so we were the first ones
in there, and I just we you don't expect it
to happen. You're just like, we're having fun throwing rocks
off the hill being guys. But I mean we're trying
to Like Eli's driving a smaller car and I'm worried

(24:13):
about his car, his tires getting popped because we get
up flats every time we go out there, and so
we're just throwing rocks and next thing, you know, that happens.
But that was like the most Yeah, it was the
most aggressive trip as far as like potential bigfoot activity
that I've had in Bluff Creek of all my years
going because we had Lared Meadow later that trip. We

(24:35):
had something thrown at Alex and I and we were
getting knocks too. It was it was insane. It was
a it was a really eventful and I think successful
trip of all the years I've ever had up there.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
And yeah, people, you know, we'll have people that will
watch two minutes and they're not gonna show clear pictures. No,
go to Facebook and let them do the AI stuff
if you want to see you know, the Boogeyman pictures
when you're out in the field. We say this all
the time. You know, I could hand somebody that that's
inexperience and like here here's a ten thousand dollar camera.

(25:09):
Here's how I use it. Go get me a picture
of a squirrel. Oh ye, way, it's tough. I mean,
it's it's not as easy as people think. And they
always you know, you need to do better, you need
to get better. And I'm like, you know how much
it costs? Like if you want to pony the money
up and let's get a crew together, Yeah we we
we can do this. But man, this stuff is expensive.

(25:31):
And when you do shows and stuff, it's hard to
make the money back that it costs you to produce it,
you know.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Oh yeah, Because well now I'm monetized on YouTube and
I think I've made four hundred dollars over a year
and a half.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Well, and I'll tell you how much it costs me
because I drive everywhere.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I don't fly.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, and since I lived in Florida, it's been four
five years I've driven every time every year from Ford
to the West and from here to there. It's about
five grand and so I'm putting five thousand dollars into
something I will probably make one hundred dollars back.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
It's a true passion project, so you have you have.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
To love it.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
And I thought about maybe making like a documentary kind
of showing leading up to a trip, because I want
to show like what people actually do to prepare for
the like you always get people or oh, he's just
making money off Bigfoot, Like, dude, I'm not making money
off I'm working a job that I hate to death
every day and I take one month off to film

(26:42):
stuff and then I come right back to it.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
You might be two days hiking to get forty five
seconds of footage. Yeah, and you know so, Yeah, I
totally understand Doug. When we first I first met him,
I talked to him on the phone and we talking
about money, and so we were laughing about what the
the mindset that some people have. Oh, you're getting rich,

(27:08):
he said. He finally at that point when we talked
twenty eight and a half years later, and just a
few months before he finally broke even on when legend
meets science. What he spent, you know, to get that
going and the money it brought in. It took almost
thirty years to recoup that money.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Now, I mean, I mean for YouTube, you just have
to get lucky, hopefully, like the algorithm picks up a
video and then that blows up and you get more
followers for that, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, so roll it into it. Yeah, But I mean I.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Look at it as like, I still don't want it to,
you know, to stray from focusing too much some making
content and not my research. I want to try and
balance the two out when I'm out there right that way,
I can get all done at once and have the
trip be worth it on both aspects of filming and

(28:03):
my research. And I'm just like, you know, it's a business.
I'm just trying to keep that at its placed, but
still grow it. So eventually I could probably do this
full time. That's the end goal. But it's gonna take
some time to get there, and I just keep doing
what I'm doing. Really.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Look, here here's the thing. Here's the difference in if
you see something on a major network and you see
something on the small platforms or small you know, I
want to say small platforms, but smaller budget stuff like that,
or no budget like me. The people are doing it

(28:45):
because they love it. They're trying to spread the truth.
And I feel like that's why a lot of people
in this chat right now are watching these shows because
of the you're the people that are being genuine. Uh,
there is a certain groups that they fight amongst themselves,

(29:07):
and I honestly don't think that's an accident. Sometimes they
create drama.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, there's a lot of drama. Yeah, drama cells, you know,
And obviously fakery sells too in the subject. I mean,
it's people are willing to believe anything nowadays. It's it's insane,
and so it's not hard to imagine people won't believe
a lot of things they see from somebody who's being true, Like, oh,

(29:36):
this guy's probably fake because he's being honest and yeah,
blatantly you got blatant lineley people on TV shows and people, dude,
this is totally real. They're using real science.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, yeah, you know, that's a that's a whole nother show.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
I didn't want to say it.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
No, you're good, You're good. It's where I go from there,
because that's that's something. I feel like it is important
because you know, unfortunately, like you know, I'm fifty four
years old, but I've got friends that are in their
sixties and seventies that can't see too well, and they're
sending me stuff all the time, like, man, look at this.

(30:19):
I'm like, man, I could do that in two minutes,
you know, on this free out. But I'm like, Okay,
that's not real. You know, I will talk to them,
you know whatever. And then it's getting it's getting to
the point now where I don't go down a rabbit hole.
But you know, if that's the best cover in the

(30:40):
world is for everybody to think something's fake or being faked.
You know, those people used to say cgi cgi without
even knowing what that was and how it was, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
So now he's total AI AI.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
And yeah, it's funny. I I mean, I like AI.
I mean, I use it to make thumbnails, but I.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Don't go this stuff I just read earlier. I got
it off of an AI search because I like it
because it helps abbreviate everything for me real quick.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
I mean, I like AI for that. I hate the
fact that, like I want to use a real artist
to make thumbnails, but I just can't afford it, right,
so because it costs money to have make because that's
the way people make living, you know. And if they're
doing artwork all the time, they get paid, they get

(31:32):
paid well. And it's like, man, if people don't realize, like,
if you want artwork just for one thumbnail from an
actual artist, they'll probably do a few sketches and then
you get maybe a couple images from that, and it's
about maybe one hundred bucks. If you're good friends with them,
you know, they might be giving you a deal. Otherwise
it could be even more than that.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
It's because I need this, I need that, I need this,
and it has.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
To be this and it's it's a double edged sword.
But it doesn't you know, no matter what the instrument is,
it's the user that you have to trust or distrust.
So with me, man, this easy author, but they probably
get bored of seeing this some of the stupid stuff
I do. But I'm entertaining myself right now, you know.

(32:16):
And uh, I've never once said, hey, this is the
real deal, you know, I'm not. I'm just not going
to do that.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
No, Yeah, I don't. I don't like doing that. Even
I know some people you can still be honest and
use kind of click baity titles. I don't like doing
that either. I don't know. I'm very organic, I guess, which.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
A lot of people see that and appreciate it, just saying.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
I just can't do it. And like I've always described
my series as not like the most exciting series. If
you've ever I mean you watched it, it's it's kind
of it can be boring. I'm not gonna lie. Even
I think it is sometimes, but even I still enjoy
watching them. I enjoy the heck out of it because
I live vicariously again through my.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Videos exactly, I know. I guess two of the biggest
right now are is Flash of Beauty and Small Town
Monsters and the way they present it. I like the
way I like the pace of Small Town Monsters. Yeah,

(33:23):
I watched episode last week and it was just uh,
I think it was Seth and Heather and Cliff bar
rightman just hanging out. Yeah, you know, and it's not
that wasn't flashy. Now. What happens is I do understand
some of the transitions and some of the the shots

(33:44):
overhead and all that that holds people's attention. Like me
when you see beautiful lakes and mountains and stuff like that. Yeah,
that's that's just part of good filmmaking. But to have
access to that type of equipment is you know, it's
pretty rare.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I like the way they do things, and that's not
plugging them. It's just it's when when they you have
a certain feel to it. That's what That's what I
was talking about. Your is if I'm if I'm watching
something and it doesn't have the right feel, I lose interest.
But but you'll lose half of the people too, because

(34:23):
it's boring to them. That's but you said it. The
organic way is better because if you have five thousand
subs and get four thousand views, you're way better off
than the person was eighty thousand subs getting you know,
five hundred.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
I know that's like I've seen that before in channels.
I'm like, you have this many subscribers, but you don't
have that many views.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
And me overthinking things because I've had time to and
that's me normally. I've watched some of this happen and
here's kind of what I think happens. Like you said earlier,
people get lucky. There's a video that goes viral, let
me pick up ten twenty thirty thousand subs off of it,
or they release something that's amazing and those persons get

(35:07):
those people get excited, they sub and never look at
it again.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
So I appreciate the people that come and listen to
me run my mod off because I'm just throwing stuff
against the wall.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yeah, it's funny because like you have a you can't
please everybody. You know, if you try to please one
group of people, you're gonna disappoint the other and vice versa.
And so yeah, I'm like, you know, I don't I
don't mind constructive criticism, but don't be rude. You know,
don't tell me how to do something. You're like, oh
maybe if you what if you try this or that.

(35:40):
You know, that's constructive criticism. I appreciate that. I will like,
I'll take that into consideration. But you know, for me,
I just I like making stuff for me. I want
to see it if it's what I want. If people
like it, that's I really hope they do.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I think that's important. When you get finished with something
and it's you're comfortable with it and you can move
on to the next thing, it does show up though.
I mean a lot of people, you know, if they
watch something and they say y'all giggling or whatever, I'm like,
oh god, that's like me and my friends. That's what
we'd be doing. Other p they're not taking it serious enough.

(36:21):
But but that person though, that looks at it in
that light, is going to find something regardless that they
don't like.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Usually, yeah, it's gonna be this thing. And you know
it's another thing too. I think with when you see
people trying to be researchers, you can talk about it.
I'm gonna say this, you're out there for a long time.
You know, we'll do it like a two week trip
in Bluff Creek and that's two weeks. You know, we're
not filming every day. A lot of times we'll probably

(36:51):
have like day they'll just drink beer all day and
swimming the creek. You know, you're like, oh, they're drinking beers.
They're probably doing this and that. They're probably not like
they're gonna fake. Like, man, you try going out there
for two weeks and constantly film, you're gonna for one
you're gonna run out a memory and you're gonna be
constantly be up and you're you're not gonna enjoy anything,

(37:11):
you know, And sometimes some of the best things come
from just exploring and hanging out and you come up
with ideas like oh, what if we did this for that?
You know? Yeah, and like you know, we were talked about.
I don't know if it was before the show or
during the show, but going in with a plan, it

(37:31):
never goes according to the plan. I've tried that one
doing that again.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
You know, you're right.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
And sometimes you're like you'll go in there like, oh,
I'm gonna do this and that, but something will happen
during the trip that will completely rewrite what you had, Like, well,
now I gotta re so I just kind of go
in there and film and just like how can I
make this into a video?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
This was a power hose. One of our buddies from Oklahoma,
Hey said, was it Tate that tried to walk down
Bluff Creek that you.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
The failed BC nineteen expedition. I will say in hindsight,
well not in hindsight, I will say that we were
told we shouldn't try the hike where we started at. Yeah,
but once I like, I'm the kind of personality once
I get something in my head. I really want to
try it, right, Like you know, you don't know until

(38:22):
you try.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
You're you're the person like I'm I'm the person on
the trip that says, Tate, don't do that. But if
you want to go ahead, and I'll stay up here
because somebody has to call now on one right.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
We had a few people that were on that side
of the group, I mean, and I love the people
that did it with you attempted this with me. You know.
We had Jonathan Easley, who I really trust and is
a solid researcher and filmmaker John you know Western Bigfood Exploration.
And then Ron Reid of Trailing Giants, another solid researcher

(38:56):
I trust in the field and he actually does the
narration for my series, the series. Yeah, but he's also
in a lot of the videos. And then Kip Morrall
who's in the Bluff Creek Project. He's a retired firefighter.
He was definitely instrumental in us not killing ourselves out there.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, you gotta have you gotta have that. You know
that the the the person who has good reasoning skills
because back when I was younger, I'm too I'm too
busted up now. But we we we were outside all
the time at night. I've got a question that was
sent in by Amanda. Don't know about this. I'm the
one other person. So this this listener that listens to

(39:39):
the show Good Friends with the Show had a question,
says Tate, do you think Bigfoot and I was just
a migratory actually has on habitat there?

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Like Bigfoot migrated in Bluff Creek habitat in Iowa?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
So you probably have asked that.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Oh is it? Jeremiah?

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yeah, yeah. I was like, hey, you got a question,
I can stir up take a little bit. He said, yeah,
I got one asking this, but you know you don't
have to answer.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
I was the question again, you were laughing. I couldn't
actually make out what.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
I was like.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
It says, Tate, do you think Bigfoot in Iowa is
just migratory or actually has home habitat there? Jb I
think I you discussed that one time.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
I've talked to him about that before. I don't I
think it's a migratory. Yeah, I think that's what it is,
because I mean there's forest in Iowa. Yeah, don't get
me wrong, there's a lot of deer there, but for
something like Bigfoot to live and sustain itself year round there.

(40:51):
It's not possible because the winners are really brutal there,
like I've it's been. I've seen it where it's been
like minus or negative four degrees or even more than
that in the winter. So they're definitely not there in
the winter, I can tell you that.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
So I think there'll hardly anything to hide behind either
to get out of the wind.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yeah, especially when there's no tree or like leaf cover
up there in the wintertime. I can't imagine there's a
lot of corn and crops growing in the wintertime either
that it's too hard to harvest and all that.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Well, I know he was just he was messing with you.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
That's something. I just think I was a migratory because
I think, you know, I was in the middle of
Minnesota and the Missouri and southern Missouri has the Ozarks
and then over down goes further down to falk Arkansas.
I think they're up in Minnesota in the winter or
the summer, and they migrate down south through in.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
The winter follow the rivers and stuff.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Maybe, yeah, advocate a little bit too. I actually lived
in North Dakota for a little while for a couple
of years, and as you know that, it's even more
desolate than Iowa. But they're in North Dakota and South Dakota.
They have reports of sasquatch there too. Surprisingly, so people

(42:10):
say the exact same thing. You know, there's nothing there
to sustain them, but they still see them. So maybe
it's the same thing. You know, they're going from east
to west or west to east having to pass through.
Oh yeah, I don't if they're not just portling through,
but you know, I'm in the camp.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
They're definitely seen there. And I have a good friend
of mine, his grandfather saw one and reported to the BFUR,
and I have the audio interview with him from that.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Oh that's really cool.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
I actually used it one of my videos and I
can't remember what year that was, but I'll ask them
if I can share the audio sometime and I'll send
you guys on link because it's actually pretty cool to
hear him describe what he saw and everything.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
So think the best part about this is hearing the eyewitnesses. Yeah,
hearing it firsthand, the motion and everything.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, And so I think there's definitely bigfoots in Iowa
or bigfoot sightings in Iowa. Do I think they live
stay there permanently like they would in the p ANDW. No,
because even in the PNW, you can go up in
the higher elevation and get out of the snow and
wind and cold and go down a lower elevation.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
And that's just like the elk and other animals do.
They move with the food, They move with the weather.
You know that even here in certain and it depends.
I mean, Tennessee is a diverse state. You know, you
get in the west, it's Mississippi Delta, the River delta.
You get here, you got the circle ridge systems. Then

(43:44):
you get in the east you have the smoky mountains
in the Appalachian Chain. So uh, there are hot spots
that pop up. And even with with our spots here,
certain parts of the years not as active. Maybe it's
because of the heat, amidity. And I know y'all went out,
y'all were, and I was, I think when when the

(44:05):
tree fell that night and it was hotter, and Haiti's
there that night, Muggy, I remember when y'all did that.
I was talking to Jeremiah and I was in the
house sweating. Yeah, he was headed up there.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
So we were there for two days. The first day
was really hot, apparently like a road buckled over somewhere
in Des Moines. It was so hot. The second day
was drastically cooler, and that's when all the stuff happened.
We didn't we didn't get the tree falling over on audio,

(44:39):
but we did get knocks on audio. So I'm pretty
confident that that we had some bigfoot action there. And
that was actually the first time I ever had anything
happen there. I've been going there for a few years
before that happened, and I actually was the one who
told Jeremiah about that spot, and we nicknamed it the

(45:00):
Three Lakes Forest. So it's a good little it's a
good little area up there.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
I think this is one of your buddies.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Oh it's Nicky Cologne.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Admit Bob is your uncle.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Well, I mean I think it's kind of news that
he is my uncle already he is?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Or no, you yeah, I'm trolling you guys. You're good.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I imagine you get asked about it a hundred times.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Thanks for that, Nicky, especially in the beginning, people like,
are you related to Bob? But I think after all
the more podcasts I've done than where I got my
name out there. People know who I am. They probably
know it's not Plus it's spelled differently. Is the h
E I R O N I in U S there's
two eyes mine spelled differently.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
I'm not gonna lie. I did wonder. I just didn't.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Yeah, No, it's it's funny. It's uh Kip Moral in
the beginning with like, oh, this is a Bob Harniss
cousin or nephew.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
He has he has the suit left to him and
the closet. You know.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Yeah, it's a it's still an ongoing joke to this day.
Like people like it's fun. It's a fun tease.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Speaking of great again, speaking speaking of an ongoing joke,
I hope I have this right. But every now and
then the meme pops up with you and Alexander Pettikov
and we're all out in the woods and what what
the meme is? It says me me with my friends
out in the woods, You with your friend or your

(46:40):
friends after dark and that's y'all. That's that's Tate and
uh Alex Alex, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
That was Jonathan Easley took those pictures and he made
the meme and somehow it went viral. I guess because
we see it pop up every once in a while. Hey,
this guy just sharing his gun.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, I see it.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Yeah, that's me on the left bottom hand side of
the screen and Alex on the right hand side. And
that was from the Lared Meadow. That was from the
twenty twenty one trip when we had the rock side
incident happened. That was for that trip.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
You know what's funny, Tate, and this this is a
side effect of your videos and other people. When you
mentioned these meadows, Lared Meadow and the other one before before,
the picture of the meadows pop up in my head
because I've watched you know, I may not know exactly
where it's at, but I know what it looks like

(47:37):
when you say it. So that's that's that's a good thing.
I mean, I'm gonna say thank you for doing what
you do because there's not a lot of people doing it,
and there's there's a more people that's criticizing. You know,
I do a video, I'll cut, I'll turn it on,
we'll go to the woods. I don't edit. I may

(47:57):
start doing stuff like that because I'm starting to learn
how to do it. Uh. But it just these these
type shows have their place, I think, you know, and then,
knowing that we have people from all over the world,
I'll be doing something that does doesn't have anything to
do with Bigfoot or research, and it might be a

(48:19):
cool uh forty five minute drive of a Christmas light
show and I'll you know, I'll put it on to
show people in England or Australia what you know, what
it looks like. And we get a lot of thank yous.
And it's even even if you don't get let's say,
a couple hundred views on something, all it takes just

(48:40):
one person to say thank you. Yeah, you know, it.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Makes all the difference for sure.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
You know what's funny. I don't And speaking of one person,
I don't get a lot of trolls trolling me very often, surprisingly,
I think maybe because I'm too worring to watch, so
they just don't like bother. But you know, if t
if a troll bothers with me, then you know they
have nothing better to do. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Yeah, they don't even know where Bluff Creek's at much less.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
I know, all these people man like you got to
be doing you should be doing this, this is how
it's done. I'm like, Oh, then do it.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, right, that's that's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Do that.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Let me know how it goes for you.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Uh. And look when you when you talk about other
people that have had a incredible things happened to him,
it's like, uh Ron moorehead, he didn't stop at an
exit in Smoky Mountains and just happened. Those guys were
riding horses way back in the middle of nowhere and

(49:45):
putting in the work. You know, you're me in the
shape I'm in now. I have to do like we
call it a road boogern where we'll go to a
spot that we know has been active before or whatever
and maybe do some calls or sit there and have
a fire like you're saying, tell the jokes cutting up,

(50:05):
and I found out more stuff has happened after four
or five hours, Like are y'all gonna leave already? We're
over being quiet, you know, and something gets broken or
you know so.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Well, you know, it's funny because we do the typical
Bigfoot research like knocks and calls and whatever in Bluff Creek.
But the problem with Bluff Creek, I think, well people
say it's squatched out. There's no squatches there anymore. That's one.
I don't believe that's true. I think what it is,

(50:39):
it's just so many people go there that I think
maybe normal tactics are different. You have to try different
outside the box ways of getting a response from them.
I think that's key there. So in that area, I mean,
so a lot of the stuff we do, we'll do
like laser light shows and stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
I saw, I saw all that. I have one of
those that you put out.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
The problem is we can't film it. It's so cool.
For one, it doesn't really show up on camera as
well as you think it does.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
And a lot.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Of the music we're using, we can't use it because
we'll get copyright strikes on our channel.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
M hm.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
So we'll probably film like a little bit before and
then after to kind of see what.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Happened, and uh, probably leave recorders out while you're you know,
while the film's not running yr.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Or Yeah, we leave recorders out so if we get
any audio, we'll have it then we can share that
in the video itself. But that's a that's another thing
people don't I don't think people realize it's like copyright thing.
Copyright strikes do exist, and they can get your channel
taken down.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
So I was taken down for three months.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Once it's it, and yeah, it's a. It's a. It's
actually kind of scary if you think about it. If
you're if like you want to make money or do this,
You're like, well, I can't do this and I can't
do that. There's so many like little things you gotta
not do.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Well. It's just like, have y'all got into the the
frequent the frequency thing where you might have something with
different frequencies, like it can be a song, you know,
Like I noticed was it you that had a bass
guitar behind you in one of the videos?

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Yeah, that was the uncovering the truth of Sasquat. I
was playing bass at this spot and when we got
a knock from it, So I figure, well, people play
guitar like acoustic people played acoustic guitar campaign or they
might have a flute or harmonica. I'm like, hey, let's
just take the next level. Let's bring a bass guitar
with an ample fire and play as lot as I can.

(52:39):
And have you sure enough got a response from it?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Have you ever thought about dropping it from full forty
two to four thirty two?

Speaker 4 (52:49):
I have not, like I've never I've never really experimented
with the frequencies. I don't know much about that. I'm
not gonna say I do you know.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Well, that's good, you're you're good.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Uh, But like I think for you for anything to work,
you'd have to have something around you. Otherwise it's just
kind of like doing nothing.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Well, I means like, you're right. It's like I tell people,
you know, if you said, if you tell me right now,
I'm gonna give you two thousand dollars catch me a
three pound bass. I'm not going to my bathtub. I mean,
it don't matter what you do. If you're somewhere, dear.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
I mean you're not there pound bassing your bathtub already,
then I'll go there.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
But yeah, exactly, I don't. I don't right now, but
I'm not gonna say it ain't never one been in there.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
So it's the perfect aquarium, that's right.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah. Well, I have friends that you know, they try
a little bit, like you said, outside the box thinking,
and you get into the four forty pitch or whatever
you call it, and then and then the four thirty
two songs. If if you look up for four and
thirty two, mega hurts songs on like Spotify. It's like

(54:06):
it's like a soundtrack of my life songs. I really feel. Yeah,
and and I won't say any names, but uh, as
a Southern researcher, UH medals with with that song and Uh,
I just say they don't they don't like uh led Zeppelin.

(54:28):
So I don't know why that is. But he they've
had some terrifying stuff with with the led Zeppelin. I
don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
If it's terrifying, I want it. So I'm going to
play led Zeppelin more. Yeah, as a as a bass player,
I love well, you can see the bass here right here.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
I didn't even see it.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
I love John Paul Jones the bassis for led Zeppelin.
So I'm a huge I mean, let's let's Claypool from Primus.
I'm a huge Primise fan. My hat that I was
wearing is ween. I love Ween.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
So Amanda, Amanda knows what you told me. I'm an
old man.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
I don't know, but I pops up on my shuffle
all the time.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
So I like, I've seen Primus seven or eight times now.
I love them.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
I like, uh, it's just Bigfoot like John Denver, Uh,
Rolling Stone. You know, these are all good questions, but
we don't get to we don't get to talk about
this a whole lot. But uh, when with you know,
you're you're out there and I'll love I mean, how

(55:35):
do you put this? Everybody don't share what they do
for the same reason. Like if I'm turkey hunting, simply
turkey hunting, and I've been in the area for ten
years and I've been using the same box call and
the same all this, they recognize that as they once
they're exposed yourself that you're a hunter, they recognize that

(55:55):
actual call. So why wouldn't it be the same? You know,
and I could send uh somebody to the same area
and use that call and they're not going to get
a response usually because the turkey in that area. No,
So it when if I can find it in nature,
then you know, I'm spitballing. But why can't it be

(56:16):
like that? You know?

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Yeah, that's funny you kind of say that, like using
calls or whatever. As a human, I mean, you can
buy like turkey calls or whatever that's supposed to mimic them.
But with bigfoot, you they don't have a call or
you can buy, so you're using your voice. So my
good friend Robert Leiderman, who's also a member of the

(56:39):
Bluff Creek Project, He's like, I don't like doing calls
that much because I kind of I think the way
he related it or how I relate it. It's like,
if I go to Mexico to try and speak Spanish,
I'm not I can't roll my rs. I don't know Spanish,
for one, so they would know I'm not even a

(57:00):
native or can't speak Spanish. So if I go to
try to do a Bigfoot call, they're gonna know instantly
I'm not a Bigfoot, right, But I think the best
way to try and trick them. And this is what
Robert's like, and I think a lot of people, and
I'm kind of on that train now. It's like, I
don't really want to do calls if I unless I
have to. I like doing knocks because you can trick

(57:22):
something a lot easier to get a response back with
a knock than you can doing a vocalization.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
You're exactly right. So if you've got you know, we've
got audio on people I know has awesome audio. You
put it on a spectrogram, spectrograph, whatever. It has a
certain signature, that's your voice. That's your voice. So the
animals no. Also, my son practices we're deer calls. He

(57:47):
does them with his throat and he uses them, but
he studies it right, and he's just not buying it
off a walmartshelf and just watching a two minute video.
You you to talk to something, whether it's chick y'all,
Hillary laugh at me. Right now. We had tons of
chickens and I fed them. I was responsible as a kid,

(58:10):
making sure that food and water and whatever. Some of
them were in pens, some of them were in the landhouse, whatever.
And uh, I got to where I could talk to
those chickens by using their ways that they communicate with
each other. It's not they don't have a huge vocabulary,
let me put it that way. But I could trick them.

(58:32):
I could call them in they think the Putts and
the clucks and it all means something different. And when
you observe that, you learn their ways, so to speak.
So uh, I feel like you have to if you're
going to do a call, you have to be very
very good at what you do, no matter what it is.
So I'm the same way. I've never screamed out. Now

(58:55):
I have. I'll do a whoop every now and then
I'll change it up.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Yeah, these I do these like really high pitch, long,
like loud screams. I don't want to do it here
because I probably bother my parents downstairs watching the TV
and make the dogs barkers. But I like doing whoops
or even tandem whoops. Those are fun to do. I
like doing those. Those is the kind of what I
go for.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Do y'all have. Do y'all have the owls or any
type of owls? I mean not most everybody does. But
because here, if it's nothing, there's nothing going on for
a few hours, we can do an alcohol and you know,
get things stirred up, not necessarily calling anything in, but

(59:42):
if you can get the codies stirred up and people
have different ideas of what's going on. All they're working
with the coties they may be I don't know, I've
never seen it, but I've seen dogs working with other animals,
you know.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
So.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
But the thing is with a turkey, turkey hunting or
whatever you can make, you can slam. You can pull
up in your turkey hunting spot and slam a car
door and you get a shot, gobble a response that's triggered.
So if you get the other animals start up, you
might trigger hopeful respond to that hopefully.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
I've there's coyotes here, but I've never heard them when
I've done calls or anything like that. I've heard owls
a lot down here, But my first Florida wood knock
was down in the Everglades with Alex and you. I
heard that down here. I heard two crazy wood knocks

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up where Stacy Brown researches. I was walking a road
with RPG and James Brost and him and I, well,
the three of us, we heard a knock from our
left and then a knock from our right, clear as day,
like the crisp, loudest, like the picture asque knock you
do ever want to hear in your life. It was
sounded like that. And then another hour and a half later, James,

(01:01:03):
the guy that was walking the road with one of
the guys him and I saw an orb oh wow,
just like darting through the trees. They're like, what the heck?

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
It was insane and what Okay, you're big you're bigfoot researching.
I'm not gonna say hunting because people get the wrong idea.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Yeah, hunting.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Yeah, man, you can get in trouble for using words
and not even mean you know, yeah, am down. Okay,
But so had you ever seen an ORB before?

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
And no, Nope. And I I'm a flush and blood
believer in big FD. I'm not a I'm not like
a woo kind of person that believes that they're spiritual
or whatever. But I've never seen an ORB before.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
And I was like, yo, I have had there been reports,
uh that you know of in that area of orbs before.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
I've never looked into it. I have never really looked
into the area up there in Florida. That's hard. I
don't get out as much as I want to here
in Florida, mainly because it's ridiculously hot and humid, and
they're swing mosquitos and I get bitten alive by these things,
and so that really takes the joy out of wanting

(01:02:23):
to enjoy nature and research. When you're sweating through your clothes,
like you'll I have to change my shirt in the
summer because it'll be soaking wet with just sweat. For
just standing out there for ten minutes, there'll be like
fifty mosquito bites on my hand and arms.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
I'm like, dude, you're talking. You're talking to people that
know here, because she's Amanda's in North Georgia and I'm
in southern Militenessee, so that's southeastern muggy heat is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
He don't play down here, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
No, No, I amidity.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
It's ten times worse, which is the winter.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Even in the winter time it's hot and human. I'm like, dude,
doesn't afford to get a break.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Well, you get in there where the wind is not
touching you off in some of those palmettos, and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
Still it's just like it's it's so humid here, Like
you can get out of the sun, but you can't
excip the humidity like camping, and it is miserable because
it'll wake up sweating or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
It's just and and what people, okay, what people don't understand.
I have my watch from uh, Central Florida, so we
go back there sometimes to see the real, the real Florida.
And you know, of course I love the beaches too,
but uh, what what people don't understand is when you're
talking about hot, you can be in the shade and
feel like you're dying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, you know, like being in a sauna twenty four
to seven. You just can't escape it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
You know, It's it's it's so human. It's like, man,
I just walk through a cloud of water. It's that's
what it's looking for. It's so it's you can feel.
It's it's hard to describe, but you can feel how
thick the air is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Oh, I know, I know exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Yeah, it's like a wait, it's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Well let's let's backtrack a little bit. We all know,
unless you're a big production company, you're not you know,
you're not making anything off of this. Well, what what got?
What got you pointed down this this road of of
trying to find the truth and and suffering to get

(01:04:37):
it done? What what Pate started with this?

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I think just being kind of an odd ball, weird
person interested in weird things. And I think I can
speak to a lot of people who are listening tonight
and like you guys obviously just we're just rocking it
out for the weird. I don't know, just kind of
being interested in that. Uh. And I've never really been

(01:05:02):
interested in trying to prove it to people. I just
want to go out there and see what's going on
and see for myself, you know, And then I've had
weird things happen where I can't explain anything other than
Bigfoot in my opinion, and like it gets to a

(01:05:23):
point where it's like, Okay, I don't really want to
prove it, because proven it is a whole another ballgame.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Yeah, right, And so.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Now it's just kind of like I want to go
out there for the experiences. And when you have something
to happen and it's very shocking, you have a lot
of a drill. Like when my thermal video, I had
so much adrenaline pumping through me. I was so freaked
out and scared, but at the same time, I was

(01:05:50):
so excited that this was happening. I'm like, there's no
way this is happening right now, and like I feel
like I won the lottery kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
It's so Bigfoot lottery that night, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Yeah, You've got so much to take in even though
you're looking for proof. For you, when something does happen,
it's so rare. It's mind bending in a way.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
It's like, well, yeah, because you're seeing something like you've
been told your whole life does not exist. You're like, like, Okay,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
I'm a very religious person too. I won't get into that,
but I don't believe in ghosts, but I know there
are demons that can, you know. So I don't know
if Bigfoot's that, you know, and I don't really like
getting it. I don't do paranormal stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
I don't mess with that stuff at all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
I do not mess with that at all.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
You want to say, rods jump out of window, pull
a Luigi board out, Yeah, I don't want no part
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
I'm like, no, I don't even buy movies that really
have that kind of stuff. And I just don't want
that in my house around me. And so, you know,
I don't think Bigfoot is paranormal. And until it's proven
flesh and blood are paranormal, like you know for sure
that I'm still going to continue looking for Bigfoot. And

(01:07:16):
when I had that thing happen, I was like, maybe
something is there that's not real, you know, or flesh
and blood. But man, until I get conclusive evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Right, and that's smart and and and if y'all in
chat people are listening, that doesn't mean he doesn't have
an open mind.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
It's like, yeah, you can, you can still be open minded.
But I just don't. I mean to some people are like, man,
it's either you're this or that. You know. It's like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Don't know you. I don't have to believe.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
In ghosts to not believe in Bigfoot, or I still
have somewhat of an open mind, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
And I had I was I was interviewing when I
first started this. This lady had me on, and what
do you think about the connection between bigfoot and the UFOs. Well,
i've seen a UFO before, it is all it could be,
so anyway, that's another story. But I told her, I said,
I haven't. I haven't witnessed that. I've heard a few

(01:08:19):
people say they have. I said, now, if UFO lands
in front of me and a big foot steps out,
I'm calling you up. And I said, hey, guess what
I thought. I can't. I can't. You know, you put
it to this exactly, so I always it's weird. It's
like I always had to say, well, this is my opinion.

(01:08:40):
You always lead with that because you do think about
this stuff. You know, if you're doing what you're doing,
what we're all doing, you do have that over in
the corner, like Okay, let's let's let's leave this over
here just in case.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
You know, a little say of it for yeah, it's
I want to I want to point out to going
along with what you said, because I feel like people
are gonna be like, well, you said this and then yeah,
just when I saw that orb, we did have big
foot activity. I don't think they're related. I think it
was just a coincidence. I just wanted to make that

(01:09:12):
clear so people were like, well this and that, you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Know, well, okay. So I feel like with the experiences
we've had with witnesses, uh in the places we've had them,
I feel like it's the area that is conducive to
some of that stuff, whether whether it's full of courts

(01:09:36):
thank you kat g you know, full of courts in
the ground. Yeah, whatever, and then and then.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
You have.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
It's really rual to start with. You know, it may
be a spot that has because I've seen a few
orbs myself, and this was.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
The first one I've ever seen before, and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
It was funny color.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
It was bright blue and had like a kind of
a around it. It was weird, and it was the
size of it had to be about softball.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Maybe a little bit bigger oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
And it was just it would me and my friend,
you know. I was like, I'm gonna record audio in
case we get a wood knock or something for some
dumb reason. And so I had the my phone just
recording audio. And I think it was sitting on the
hood or the trunk of somebody's car. And then me
and James are just in the dark, just talking, and
a couple of people over there talking and all of

(01:10:33):
a sudden, James and I are just you hear us
both on the audio go, whoa do you see that?
It was crazy bright bright blue ball light, you know,
rushing back in the trees, zig zagging. It was the
weirdest thing I've never seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Was there a stream or waterfall nearby?

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Nope, there might have been, I have never seen it
in the daytime. We got there at night. It was
also I remember what year it was, twenty twenty two, Yeah,
twenty twenty two. I think January, Yeah, January twenty twenty two.
It was really cold that year, Like we were in o'callan.

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It was like thirty thirty degrees at night and we
were up where because the place where I saw the
orburn got those crazy Knocks where was a place where
Stacey researches WO and I've never.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Been there, and for people join late ting about Stacy Brown, right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Yeah, Stacy Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
So we went up to his spot and I never
seen it during the day because we were caravaning with
a bunch of people and so we had that stuff happen.
Stacy's kind of an open minded person. He's like, dude,
I've been kind of more open minded about it because
I've been hearing bigfoot, I've been getting big food activity
as well as seeing these lights.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
But it was funny because I was listening to Cliff
and Bobo's show and they had money Maker on. The
money Maker was talking about how these I think there's
different parts in the where I think the magnetic something
have to do with the magnetic plates or whatever underneath
the Earth is stronger in areas than others, and it

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can cause these balls of light to.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Pop up exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
I don't know if it's that or not. I don't know.
It sounds like a possibility. I haven't researched that tectonic
plates in the US, so I can't tell you real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
I saw a documentary probably twenty years ago or more
where they were seeing lights like that, you know, coming up,
and basically a couple of scientists went out and said
they saw them. They're like, what, how does this work?
They tested the soul and a lot of our old
time listeners have heard this before several times. But they
found lithium on one side and they found something on

(01:12:48):
the other side, and sulfur in the water which made
one big battery electric electrical charge. And on certain nights when,
like you said, when it's clear and cold or whatever,
if the conditions are right, then it these balls come up.
I'm gonna send you the video. I'm not going to
play it here, the video that the ORG we caught
on thermal months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
It's a really neat video.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
It's crazy. And when you said softball size, you see
me lean back. Oh crap. But yeah, we had something
happened last night. We went to watch try to see
the Northern lights and get we got way out of
town on our northern hotspot and Heather's like, oh, what
is that? What is that? And I didn't see it,

(01:13:33):
but apparently there was a white light going through the
woods and not zigzagging, but just it wasn't steady you know.
So I didn't see it. It only lasted a couple of seconds.
But we have seen orbs there before. There's a lot
of rock out croppings and different minerals and stuff. So
maybe I feel like I don't discount. It's hard when

(01:13:55):
you have one word that covers everything. It's just like
save a Uh, there's other words. There's other Native American words.
So when when we say orb or we say wo
woo's the thing all inclusive?

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
I feel WU is very I mean, I feel wu
is like a slang term.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Almost. Yeah, I'm not either.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
In paranormal sounds like it only encompasses like ghosts. But
you know, technically the definition of paranormal is unexplained.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
So that's exactly so I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Technical terms, bigfoot could be paranormal, you know, or even
orbs for that matter, whatever they are. I don't know,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
And I like that about you. I don't know that's
a good answer, uh, but you keep your keep your
head on a swivel. I think it was a glen,
big bigfoot dwarf that he was with some guys and
saw orb. Was that that wasn't Bluff Creek area? Was it?
Do you remember?

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
I know Glenn has seen orbs before. I don't know
if I've been with him when he's actually seen orbs,
but I know he's seen them before. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Okay, so here's here's a question. You know, everybody always
wants to know. You might already answered it, but what
if you do this for any amount of time? Sometimes
you get in situations like you're like the old crap moments?
You know, what is there been a time that you

(01:15:36):
thought what am I doing out here? And how do
I get out of this mess? MH.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
To be honest, I don't think I've ever had one
of those like I'm in very big trouble moments. There's
been weird. There's been weird. Yeah, thankfully that has not
happened yet. There's been maybe some close calls, I guess,
but nothing that's like been like, oh my god, I guess.

(01:16:02):
The weirdest thing that could one could say would be
that was we were with Alex and What I Do
in stm. It was Bigfoot Mountain, it was the episode,
it was the it was after Bigfoot of Bluff Creek.
It was like the fourth Beyond the Trail episode. But
there was me, Ron Reid and we were with Alex

(01:16:23):
and Eli, and we were sent to a spot to
check out. But we got there and there was like
the Satanic cult there. I can't remember who walked down
to the car and there was like a little small
animal skull on the dash and these people had like
a fire and it was just really bizarre, and myself

(01:16:44):
and Alex were carrying guns and we still didn't want
to camp there. Obviously there was people, but I'm like no,
so we went to another area.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
People or people were more scary than the the other
things were hunting.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
From what I've heard on Cliff and Bobo show about
Homebot County, there's it's kind of like the hollows down
here that used to have the Moonshiner's. It's something different.
But you know, you don't you don't want to walk
in on something you don't need to see.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Well, yeah, you gotta be really So Like for Bluff Creek,
I know it decently well, and my rule of thumb
for out there is like I only go to places
to Bluff Creek. I've been shown, you know, even though
I know the area well and I'm pretty sure I
confident if I go down somewhere, I'd be okay. I
don't want to chance it because I'd rather live than

(01:17:37):
chant something just to see something I might think is okay, right,
because there's cartel up in those hills, like legit Mexican cartels,
and not just Mexican. There's like I was talking to
Glenn because Glenn used to live up in that area
for a while, and he's like, yeah, there's like Mongolian
cartels and Asian cartels in the Mexican cartel and there's

(01:17:59):
like there's so many car tells you gonna watch out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
For, right, So then, oh god, you're up.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
In no man's land, like you're up in the hills.
There's no cell reception, very few cops in between, like
people are fighting. There's like bullet holes and like road
signs everywhere. You leave a car out there for a
day and you're gonna get the windows shot out and
the tires blown off or it's bad. Yeah, We're like,
you don't want to leave a car intended out there

(01:18:27):
because it comes because target practice.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Well okay, Kate, I'm glad you said that, because those
are need to know, uh facts for people who might
want to follow in your footsteps and go to areas. Yeah, y'all.
Always do a little research, and.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
I mean really, if you just if you just if
you're very smart about going to places, you know, let
people know where you're going. Always be safe traveling. Don't
go to areas you haven't been shown, especially areas that
are big like that, you know, and if you just
fallow and just be smart basically and you'll be okay.

(01:19:07):
Don't put yourself in any position that would allow you
to get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
You know, right right, Always be where you can take
care of yourself exactly. So we're going with mark Bluff.
We're gonna mark California off the list. Okay, what is
a couple of your favorite spots that you've been to?

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
So, yeah, we can't do Bluff.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
We can't do California, right, Yeah, I'm taking it away
from you favorite other favorite spots.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
There's one spot in Oregon mount Hood, but I can't
say the name of it. We dubbed it Melody Camp.
My friend Ron got this amazing audio like sing song
vocally vocalization from there. Oh wow. And so that's the
spot I try to head up every time I go
out there. Now, I really liked that spot. And then honestly,

(01:20:04):
I did see someone in the comments say it earlier
Bumping Lake. I've been wanting to do more exploring out there,
and I know a lot of researchers out there that
got some stuff. So yeah, Bumping Lake and then Melody
Camp and the Mount Hood National Forest Area, those two
areas I like a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
So I know your circle was pretty big with legit
documentarians if that's a word, and researchers. Have you ever
while you were out I know you ran into the
bad people, but have you ever run into any bigfoot
researchers that you didn't know either owned the way or

(01:20:45):
once you got to a place.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Well, to be honest with you, that's how I actually
made a lot of my connections. Because I don't like
conferences or groups of people. I think maybe I've been
to like maybe three conferences of my whole life, and
mainly it's because I've known people that were there. I
just wanted to see them again. But yeah, my very
my very first, well my very second time to Bluff Creek.

(01:21:07):
I happened to run into Cliff and Bobo there and uh,
tom Yamarone if for all those old school people who
know tomm Yammeron really cool guy. And there's another guy
named Terry Smith who was there. He was a researcher,
big the guy who's good friends. And then from just
going to Bluff Creek, that's how I met Robert Larderman,
Rowdy Kelly of the Bluff Creek Project, Kiit Morrel, and

(01:21:29):
that's how I became a member of the Bluff Creek Project.
Was just going up there and you know, trusting those guys,
getting their trust and being good friends. And I love
those guys. I fell in a group, good group of people.
That's how I met Jonathan Easley was going to Bluff Creek.
I met Ron Reid going to Bluff Creek. I met
pretty much a lot of people that I know going
to Bluff Creek.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
And Amanda, when we UH interviewed Daniel Perez, he he
had gone there a few times too, and I noticed
he was in one of your videos you were in tate.
Uh Wait. I could talk to him for two days
just and I like hearing the stories of the names
that you bring up. Wait. I don't care what it is.

(01:22:14):
If you're planning a sport or if you're doing a
job and you have really good UH management, teachers, trainers,
that kind of molds you into what you are.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Yeah, I have one hundred agree because I think a
lot of I think if I fell in with a
different group of people will probably be a little bit
different of how I do things, or maybe not, because
I'm very I'm very OCD about things, so it has

(01:22:49):
to be like so I probably wouldn't have swayed, but
I'm lucky that I've fallen into the group of people
that I have fallen in with, So I owe a
lot to those people. Yeah, Thomas c Well, I've been
Facebook friends with Thomas Stemberg for a few years, but
we finally I got to meet him for the first time.
In Bluff Creek.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
You've just been meeting everybody up there.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
It's like if you think, like you know how like
there's certain places in Hollywood people go to like maybe
means celebrity. That's what Bluff Creek is like. Like if
you go if you go to uh Rodeo Drive in
LA where all the celebrities like to be or spotted,
that's like what Bluff Creek is like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
You never know who's going to show up there. You're like,
oh that there they are. Hello.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Well, what's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Somebody in chat says, the only person you haven't met
there he yet his big foot.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
So I love watching the I've become friends with people
just by happenstance. Uh. I know some this This lady
made a comment on Twitter one time. I just started following.
When I first started following bigfoot accounts and all that,
and then you weed them out as you go. You know,
you don't know who's who exactly. And this this person

(01:24:15):
had an encounter and she she put the short Twitter
version and she said it tossed the rock at them.
And I'm like, that's that's big because that's we've had
rocks tossed to us, not we as like a baseball.
So I sent a message or whatever, and we interviewed her.
And then I see on one of your documentaries, our

(01:24:38):
friend Ontario is uh is in one of those, Yeah,
Richardson and and what's what's wild is we met because
of one word she typed, and it was it was tossed.
Because I know I know they throw them. I have people, uh,
but I was just getting into this. I'm like, hey,

(01:24:59):
can you tell me what happened? We had the same
thing happened and that's you know, that's the way that started.
And you know, she she she does some pretty good work.
She had a video viral, the snow track Trackway. Maybe
she can come home sometime and talk about that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
But yeah, I think I think Ontario is a solid researcher.
There's not a lot of female researchers in the bigfoot subject,
and when there are, you just hope they're not trying
to sell their body right to get followers like some
people out there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Yeah, I've seen look all of us that have TikTok
or whatever you see that stuff. There's and this doesn't
have anything to do a bigfoot. But there's this young lady,
super talented singing. And the first few videos she did,
I was like, oh man, that's it's obvious what she
was doing. But but then she stopped and so now

(01:25:55):
now I can watch the videos in public. It wasn't
nothing really bad, It just you know, yeah, showing a
little more than you know she should have, and I'm like, oh,
don't do that, you're so talented. And then somebody must
have talked to her and now, oh man, that doesn't
have a thing to do a bigfoot. But well, the
way you make money is clicks and views and all that,

(01:26:17):
and and I understand it. I'll say I'll never have
that many followers and sows because I'm I'm ugly old dude, So.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
Yeah, I can't. I can't. I can't show my chest
and people click on.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
It has the opposite effect.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
It's like I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Block this channel and as a woman in this wheelhouse,
I reckon you want to call it that. It could
have the opposite effect too. It's like all of a sudden,
all these guys come out of the will the woodwork
and they're like, oh my god, it's a woman and
she's likes Bigfoot. I must speak to her. I must
shoot my shot. And like all of a sudden, you
get like a thousand messages.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
And are you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Oh my god, just leave me alone, go away.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Well that's why I like you and Amanda are Ontario,
or like people like Kathy Stream, the female researchers that
actually care about the subject. And there's very little of
those types of female researchers, and when there are, it's
a breath of fresh hair, honestly, So yeah, I appreciate

(01:27:27):
you guys for doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
When it hit me, Tate I was discussing with somebody
female researcher, and she made a comment that hit me
right in the chance it was true. She to what,
I feel like we have a better chance because you
guys walk in with your pupews and like you own
the woods.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
Well so, and men are very ego driven too, right,
and with bigfoot subject being a male dominant subject matter,
there's a lot of ego going around.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Yes, sir, there is who sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
It's you know, we had a meeting, an unofficial meeting tape.
It was me and a few other podcasts that we've
got to be really good friends, like family almost, and
we need to talk about this certain thing that's going on,
and we all made thisson. I'm not don't respond to
none of the crazy stuff. Don't don't don't like it,

(01:28:29):
don't dislike it if somebody comes to you and ask you, like,
I don't know what you're talking about, because you don't
want to get mixed up in the drama. And there's
a guy I knew really well one time. He gained
a lot of subs and because of the drama, but
it didn't work out for him.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
So you know, it's it's very easy to get caught
up in drama, especially if you care about the subject,
like genuinely care, because you're like, this person's making a disgrace.
I ain't even to stand up for it and defend
it from this person that just wants to get views
and subscribers. And because I think a lot of people
see this and like, oh, I can make easy money

(01:29:10):
doing this because people are buying this stuff. They believe anything.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
M h.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
So they're using the global portion of the big community
to sucker in.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
I guess yeah, and it Yeah, we will stop right
there because if we get talking about if.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
We could, if I could go on, I could go
on something. If you really want to hear me go
on a rant about it, just watch Nicky's shows.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
You know. That's a good question. If you ever you
don't have to mention any names or them like that,
But have you ever encountered any attempted hoaxes.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
Like that were happening when I was in a place.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Or no, probably yeah or somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
It's like I'm the first I've only found tracks four
times tape and it's like scoring a touchdown into super
Bow type failing you know, ideas. Yeah, and uh, but
the first thing I did was looking around saind somebody's
punking me. And then you look and you you wait
a minute, that looks they don't look like uh snowshoe.
You don't look like a board cut out. It has

(01:30:14):
it looks like something alive made it. And you know,
without going into that. Yeah, you can tell, but uh
we we won't names.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
No, you don't, No, you don't, you don't. I have
a list of names.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:29):
I haven't run into like any hoaxing out in the
field that I'm aware of. I've seen like tree breaks before,
and I can be very wary of those, especially like okay,
if I'm here, I mean other people can get here.
M hm. And with Bigfoot being so popular more than
it has been ever with podcasts and stuff, people can

(01:30:53):
just learn about something about Bigfoot real quickly and go
hook something.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
You know, you brought up something right there. That's why
I love the sixty five year old people that don't
watch podcasts don't know bigfoot is. You talk to them
and they they're telling you what they encounter, what they saw.
They don't know these words that some people use.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
It's funny because I can't remember who I was talking to.
But I mean, you can call them a hoaxer. If
they're not even a bigfoot person, that's hoaxing. But it's
like all these people have like a little tell, especially
if they're being interviewed. It's like, oh, man, I was
listening to a bigfoot podcast and I heard about this
and that, and then when I was out there this happened.
I'm like, maybe you're listening to bigfoot podcasts and you

(01:31:38):
did this, and then you were saying you wanted to
have an encounter, then you talked about on the show.
I don't know if it's all true or not. I
don't listen to like interview like why Witness podcasts because
I just don't know the who that person is really.
I'd rather listen to like a researcher being interviewed or
somebody that I know, because I feel it's like it's

(01:31:59):
more anyway. I don't have to sift through whatever might
be real or not.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
And that's one reason the we do the things we do. Uh, Normally,
there's not a whole lot of discussion beforehand. I want
I want to be watching and listening in real time. Yeah,
you know what I mean, Amanda, Amanda, you know she
takes reports all the time. It's a museum of North Georgia. Uh,

(01:32:28):
you know, I picked up some stuff from the Sheriff's
department years ago, interrogation rooms and all that. Most of
the time, I'm not on if it's somebody I don't know.
If you build trust over four or five years, you
know what they will and won't do. That's different, right.
But if you, like you said earlier, you've named people

(01:32:48):
you trust, you have to have those people around you.
But if something somebody you don't know. I've been talking
to people in public and the conversation was over thirty
seconds into it. I was just being nice because you're
you know what.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, I get people are excited that, oh,
you're into big Foot. I can tell my story to you,
like I mean, and I don't try to be rude
or like I don't want people to think I don't care.
It's just like, I don't know if I can trust
what you're saying or not because I don't know you,

(01:33:24):
and you're asking me to invest my time into that, right,
And so it's and I'm not going to leave that
kind of stuff to people who actually want to listen
to the sightings kind of focus on other things.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
And the thing too, like if I say, you know, hey, Tate,
you check this person out whatever is in your area.
If if I feel like they're full of it, I'm
not going to pass the word along. You know, I
don't want to be associated with that part of it either.
And this is a good discussion because you know, the

(01:33:59):
people that are just trying to get the truth out
there or find the truth is kind of where we
latch on too, because we're the same way, you know,
like picking your brain it. You know, it's hard for
me to do because I've seen so many of your videos.
But you know, our buddy Jeremiah, he was green. Is

(01:34:21):
this backdrop here? But but he has had some stuff.
He's had some brown shorts moments and he found some
or was there when they found some really incredible handprint tracks,
you know whatever. And I don't think I don't think
he fully expected that because it blew him away.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
Well, his very first outing was that Iowa trip when
we had that tree pushed over. He's like, dude, what
was that? So either a tree was pushed over or
fell over? I don't I don't know. I didn't see
what happened, But the fact that we had the knocks,
I'm pretty confident. And so something I told Jeremiah I
was like, dude, I need to tell you this right now.

(01:35:06):
That might be we might have had big for the
activity of this trip. And generally that does not happen.
Ever the front out ever, but of all places, Iowa,
which blew, I wasn't expecting that to happen. I was
expected nothing to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
And then sure enough, So what's we got a question here?
Get go? Is lethal? Is the Is the the thermal
footage the best evidence so far that you've collected the Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
And you know that's the thing about the thermal footage
on that video, it's not like the most damning piece
of evidence, like it's it's a blob squatch video. But
like if you actually go to the location and see
how hard it is to get to where this thing was.
Was on the ridge of a mountain and on both

(01:36:00):
is very steep. There's only one way in by car,
and if you were trying to sneak around us, we
could hear you unless you were to hike all the
way down to the bottom and then hike back up.
It's yeah, it's it's big, and plus it was during
hunting season, so I don't know anybody with balls big

(01:36:22):
enough to prank somebody that might have guns, you know, potentially,
so obviously not a smart idea. Plus people's eyes don't
glow at night, so it's I don't know, it's a
very good area and that's the best. Yeah, that's the

(01:36:43):
best piece of evidence I got. I think it's real.
If you talk to me or Austin who was there
that night, and see the area for yourself, then it
becomes more clear. Jonathan Easley actually made like a really
good short twenty five minute documentary about it, and he
brought up some that I never really thought about. But
the because I was using a Flaer Scout TK, which

(01:37:06):
is one hundred yards range of three hundred feet, and
this was about one hundred yards from where I filmed
it to where the thing was. And then Jonathan and
one of his videos brought up a good point and
he's like, for a black bear, I think their range
of eyesight's not very good, especially at night it's even worse,
so they rely on their sense of smell. I think

(01:37:27):
thirty yards is what their eyesight ranges during the day,
and if you're talking one hundred yards at night, there's
no way that thing's in the sea, is right, because
if you see the very beginning of the video, if
you look carefully, it doesn't you can't see much detail,
but there's like a little white speck and that's like
the head of the thing watching us along this ridge.

(01:37:49):
Then the very into the video that it stands up vertically.
So the crazy thing was this thing was seeing us
before we saw it. It made us. But when we
saw the eyeshine, that's when I started recording. And so
at the end of the video, it stands up and
walks away. But again I can't see what I was
seeing through the thing, so I was relying on my buddy.

(01:38:12):
We had headlins so we can see eyeshine, and he
did a couple of calls and he was like, dude,
it's gone. Then we walked back to the truck. Then
when I looked on the video, I'm like, dang it,
it was there. And then when it stood up, we
turned around and walked away, and I was very annoyed
at that and should have could have what a kind
of situation. We were so freaked out. We actually went

(01:38:34):
back over to the site after our nerves calmed down
to see if we could see any tracks that night,
but we didn't see anything. We packed up camp because
we were freaked out of sleeping overnight there, drove all
the way back down the mountain, then drove back up
the next day, then looked around for tracks during the
day and found some possible things. But you know, regrets.

(01:38:56):
I wish I did not listen to him when he
said it was gone. I wish I just kept filming
right Proba would have had a lot more information on
the video seeing what was there. And I wish we
would have camped there. And I'm telling you right now,
it's easy to say, oh, I would have done this
or done that, But when you're in the moment, that

(01:39:16):
kind of just flies out the window. You're like, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
I know that failing? Yeah, you you can have a plan. Uh,
our buddy Greg, And y'all. Greg's doing better, He's he's
getting his strength back. But he has a saying. He
says people that want to tell you how you should
have done it, he said, you can go to zoo
and get all the pictures of the lines you want,
real pretty lines. But if I throw you in that
cage plan changes a little bit, how many how many

(01:39:44):
pictures you're going to get? You know, so once once
something happens like that, now I did I have recognized this.
We talked to a young lady a few weeks ago
with her mom, and it hit me that some of
the younger people are so quick to catch video with

(01:40:05):
to put on TikTok or whatever, Instagram pictures whatever. They're
pretty fast with their camera, which I'm not. I'm more
of a safety conscious like, oh, how do we you know,
what do we need to do now? At A lot
of them will get that camera out pretty fast. So
maybe maybe we need to take a you know, a
twenty one year old, Yeah, some equipment.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
It's it's I mean, for me, it's like if you're
on your phone all the time or even filming, you're
distracted out there. And it's not only you got to
like be careful of people, but there's a mountain lion
you're I mean, it's real danger out there. It's not
it's not a joke. And so when you go when
you go out there, you're not only just trying to
worry about where your steps are, don't fall off a cliff.

(01:40:48):
But you're trying not to. You're watching out for rattlesnakes,
You're trying to be aware of your surroundings because, like
you know, in northern California, I can't remember I saw,
I can't remember if the estimates like around forty to
eighty thousand black bears in northern California the state of California.
And that's a lot of black bear, but there's also

(01:41:09):
a lot of mountain lion up there too.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
There's a lot of land to spread them out.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
Yeah, and so you really gotta be careful because those
animals know that better than you do. Even if you
know the area, well, you're not an animal. So yeah,
you have to be really careful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
Here's another good question that just popped up. This is
what methods of research does Tate want to try That
he hasn't yet.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
There's a few. I'm almost scared to say what they
are because I don't want people taking it before I
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
That's totally fair.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
Yeah, I totally understand that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Because I will say there was one time, so there's
something that happened we were it was during the STM
shoot for the Bluff Creek. Alex had these pheromone chips
she was dragging around camp the whole time. I'm like, dude, Okay,
we were in Oregon, and I was like, I don't

(01:42:03):
know if anybody's under if anybody's ever stood underneath like
a drone before, even just like one of those like
DGI drones. But the amount of wind that thing puts
off is crazy, Like it's a fan, like a high
industrial fan almost. There's so much wind. And so we
were in Oregon and Alex is not going to use

(01:42:23):
the pheramoon ship, but I'm like, dude, why don't you
tie the pharaomoon ship underneath the drone because that smell
is pungent. Yea, then you can fly around and have
the fan waft that smell hopefully out. So Alex we
filmed it on the episode for the big Foot Mountain.
He put he tied it. It was a little sketchy
because it's a rope and like the things swinging back

(01:42:45):
and forth. Yeah, it's I bet there's a better way
to do it that would be safer so you don't
crash the drone. But we did it. We don't know
if it worked or not. It was worth an effort
or shot and try, And then Alex had his YouTube
show Sasquatch How the Shadows that we would talk about

(01:43:09):
a trip or he would talk about each trip after
filming it, and so we talked about the method we do.
But Alex was friends with a certain somebody from a
certain show, and then I knew somebody from a certain show.
And we know how television producers will scour the internet
for things like ideas. And the thing was, when I

(01:43:32):
came up with that idea, everybody around it is like,
I've never heard that done before. We talked about on
Alex's show, and the people that know us know him.
One of them has been on the show. We see
the trailer for the new season and what do we see.
We see this drone spray pheromone idea, and we're all
pretty convinced they stole the idea from us.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
Well, for y'all in chat and people that will listen
to this later, he's telling you one hundred percent truth
because have you seen it. You've seen I know exactly
what you're talking about, and we've said things and you know,
kicked kicked ideas around and and and people run with it.
Well that's fine, but it's it's kind of like, well,

(01:44:22):
why didn't you contact me and we could have done it?
You know, that was my idea, right, So yeah, that's unfortunately. Look,
so you've got shows that, hm, they regurgitate everything, right,
whatever they've heard or see or see on TV shows

(01:44:43):
or whatever. And then you got ones that are that
are investigative to ask questions and and you can have
a show that it's all of that, but there's so
many Now.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
Yeah, producers are watching the podcasts all of it because
there's no way, I promise you, even Cliff and Bubble
will tell you. Like, even though the producers on the
Finding Bigfoot show and like a lot of the people
that worked on that cast were legit, you know, they
didn't hoax anything. And I'll tell you that. I think
the first season they were getting producers that were a

(01:45:15):
little getting carried away with trying to make the TV show.
They got fired more or less.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
They had a threat walk. They had an incident where
there was a horse in the field and it was
standing looking at them, and they teased it to make
it look like it was a bigfoot and I think
the crew or the cast went off.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
Yeah, they did not like that because they take it
very seriously too. So producers don't care about Bigfoot television.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
That's because it's they just care all about the bottom dollar.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
And so the producers like, hey, I found this idea
to do this because I was watching and like, obviously
you don't need to know bigfoot or producers will do that.
But I was watching like MythBusters behind the scenes and stuff,
and they had a room of producers scouring the Internet
for ideas or myths for the MythBusters to try and bust.

(01:46:06):
I'm just say thinking, Okay, if a television like that
has things, why it isn't a Bigfoot TV. I guarantee
you it happens. They were like, they have a room
of people watching the Internet for ideas to try in
the field, to make it seem like they're we're doing
this scientific thing I guarantee has probably been done by
some unknown researcher. But because a because a notable television

(01:46:27):
show did it. In saying it's science, it has to
be real.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
Mm hm, yep. We have a we have a friend.
If I said the name y'ad all know met him
in person for the first time a few months ago,
and I was I said, wasn't that your encounter on
something in the woods or whatever, and man, he went off.
He said, yeah it was, but uh but that's not

(01:46:53):
what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
Yeah. They will twist words and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Yeah, yep uh. And the scariest part of that encounter
was totally made up. Are you kidding me? He said no,
he said they did. They wanted some of our evidence
to use some of our audio, and we wouldn't give
it to them, and they just got mad and dropped
us and did their own things. So it's hard to
I've heard plenty. I've heard some you know, bigger name

(01:47:17):
people in private like, man, you gotta be careful because.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
The same yeah, same here. I hear it all the.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Time now, I guess. So, how do you look at it?
Like if you come up with the original idea and
other people run with it. You know, me personally, I'm thinking, well,
I said it out in public, right, so, and that's
why I applaud you for not saying I know exactly

(01:47:48):
what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
Oftentimes I said things I shouldn't have in public, but
a lot of the times they stand behind it, so
I can't really say I'm just like upset with saying it.
How do I feel about people using it. Imitation is
the most of the serious form of flattery.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
So yeah, if we're really doing this for the right reasons,
and you see it does kind of like shock you
a little bit, like wait a minute, that's really familiar.
But when it comes down to it, unless it's something
that I spent like let's say this, this is different.
If you spend three months producing an hour long documentary

(01:48:28):
and somebody just steals it and plays it and puts
their name on it, yeah, that's different. But the idea
is if you, if you are sitting here or listening
to us this conversation and it helps you, and you know,
I'm not saying you whoever it is, if it helps
them in their research, that's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
Yeah, and it's not. I don't think it's it's malicious
to hold back information until it's the right time because
you don't want other people like taking something and doing
something wrong. You know, it's not it's not about holding information.
It's not like I got this great thing. But I'm
not gonna say it's not. I'm not claiming this idea
is gonna ever gonna work or bring in big fat

(01:49:08):
It's not like one of those things like it. You
always get those people like I have this idea that's
gonna for sure fire work, and I'm gonna I can't
tell you here because other people will try and take it,
because I don't want them taking my idea because I
know how well it works. Like, yeah, you if you
try and use that caveat, I don't think it's a
legit idea, all right. I don't know, maybe it's just

(01:49:30):
saving the face kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
Well, it's uh, I was warned when I first started
doing this. Uh, when I and when I first started
doing this, I didn't think we'd end up, you know,
here where we're at. But I had a lot of
people warning me. But well, if you're gonna do this,
you need to watch what you say. You need to
watch this. And I'm like, oh man, I ain't worried
about all that, but uh, it's it's tough navigating sometimes.

(01:49:55):
It's getting better, though. I think I do feel like
I've seen improvements. I've seen where people are more open
minded or they understand if if look, if I can't
tell you right now, but next Thursday, I can tell you. Yeah,
I mean uh, because the people that understand are the

(01:50:18):
ones that want the truth too. And like I said earlier,
if I'm I've got a good fishing spot, this has
happened to me before. I have mentioned that fishing spot
and somebody go or two or three people go and
wipe out all the fish and not replace, you know
with other fish. Look, we normally do you. We would
go fishing, we'd find a good spot, we would catch

(01:50:42):
some and half of them will go over here in
this pond or whatever. The people that come through that
don't care, that come through your spot that you've spent
seven years on and just trample things, cut trees down,
leave trash everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, So if you if you're
sitting there in your add because somebody won't share, that's

(01:51:03):
the reason. Other people before you have screwed it up.
So it's all about the trust.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
It's people screwed. People have messed it up for you.
It's like it's like, hey man, it's not that I
don't think it's not it's not like this huge gold
mine of a spot for research. It's just because I
don't want people going there and messing what I've worked
on for years, put my time and money into it,

(01:51:28):
my wear and tear in my car to get to
those places. You know, it's not it's not withholding information
because I don't have a bigfoot body that I found
there or anything or I buried it like the massacre theory.
It's not like that, right, you know, I'm not hiding
the PG film, you know, give you know, patty suits anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
But but the thing, here's this as simple as it gets.
Even even Cliff and Bobo and those those that crew
get tricked. If you people too many people know where
you're going, the start knocking on trees and screaming and
breaking breaking trees, leaving glyphs all, you know, just to
mess with you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
So yeah, even if I say like, hey, I'm going
to the spot, Like even if I publicly say, like
on this line, hey I'm going here they football game.
If I'm going here at this spot during this month,
I'm okay with that because I didn't see the exact
damn going, right, You just have to guess what day

(01:52:28):
I'm going to be there. You know, I don't think
a lot of people are gonna want to spend a
week until I show up or somebody shows up there
to start hoaxing them.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Here's a here's a good question this is this is
one of those questions that everybody asks. But it's a
good question. Take other than DNA from a dead bigfoot,
what can we researchers look forward to the ultimate reveal
to science, scientists and the public. PS love to see
you again. That's such a.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
It's such a hard question, really it is. It is
like you need DNA to really move the ball down
the field sort of speak.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
But the thing is you have to have that first one, right,
you have to have the DNA. You have to have
a group of scientists extra. Yeah, and then you put
it in the the database. Then the second one, you know,
you know what I mean. You can't find DNA if
the creature doesn't exist in the database. You can find

(01:53:34):
all DNA. You won't you run it through it. It's
not gonna match up to anything. Yeah, you have that one.
That one. Once you get that one, then you can look, well,
you know what it it shows. It's almost exactly like it.
There's a little bit of variation. Well that might be
the skunkap or that might be you know.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
That's kind of funny you say that. Because we were
in Bluff Creek, I think twenty twenty three. We found
some hairs. Run found some hairs, and then we have
to analyzed. Damon found some hairs and the hair he
pulled matched exactly what you would look for the fair
and Box standard for bigfoot hair RPI, by the way,

(01:54:14):
but you look for those characteristics blunt, not tapered in
no medulla. And so we were. We found some hairs
Ron and I did. We had a manalyzed. Some hairs
had no medulla, and some hairs had fragments of medulla.
And it made us wonder, I wonder what would because hair,

(01:54:39):
you know, it's not proven to be bigfoot one way
or another because there's there's very little evidence of it
out there. But it got me thinking, would hair from
your arm be different from hair on your chin or
your hair? You know, because I think beard hair is
what more coarse than the hair on your arm would be.

(01:55:01):
So would the hair and my beard have a medula
versus the hair on my arm have a medula?

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
I don't know, I think writing that question now.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
I've been taking notes all night.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
It's like from hair from hair from a sasquatch, would
it be different from if it came from its hand
versus it came from like the part of its face.
Would there be a medulla? You don't know that. So
until you get way more, I think, in my opinion,
if you get way more hair collection from different parts
of the body or different animals, I think it's still

(01:55:35):
up in the air. In my opinion, it's still a
viable way to get closer to maybe finding if something
is out there versus nothing. So. But I think far
as evidence is concerned, I think the best evidence that
won't lie is tracks.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
Well, here's another here's another thing. You look at it
like this. I had to fingerprint and send them off
to the TBI and FBI as a young guy working
at the sheriff's department, And people don't this is simple.
A lot of you may know this when I say it,
but some people don't. I could go and do all

(01:56:15):
the mischievous things in the world, steal stuff, do things,
and leave my fingerprints everywhere. If it's not in that database,
there's nothing to match it to. Until you catch me
and fingerprint me, You're a ghost, that's right. So people
are like, well, what about you know the good questions?
I'm not what about DNA if we don't have anything
to compare them to that's deemed legit, then it's not

(01:56:40):
going to mean anything. But you still need to collect it,
you know, because one of these days you're like, oh, well,
well then they start. Once that one chip falls or
whatever domino falls, then all this stuff has been collected
for decades will fall into place. So it's not you know, like, oh,
well from a cup, you know, I got your DNA, Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
I haven't if you're not in the like in the
database anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:57:11):
It's it's kind of funny because I get it reminds
me of that movie Catch Me if you can, right,
I like that movie with Tom Hanks and Leonardo DiCaprio.
They were trying to like find anything on this this
person committing these crimes, but they didn't have a database
to find who this kid was because he was a kid,

(01:57:32):
so he had no record, right, So he's like, I
didn't know who he was. But the reason he found
out this was a kid is because there was a
phone call in the movie he had and he said
his name was Barry Allen, which Barry Allen's a flash
and only a kid would knew that reading comics. But
the Tom Hanks character, the FBI didn't know that until this.

(01:57:52):
The waiter said, oh, you're a collector, and he's all
the name Barry Allen. He's like Burry all in the Flash.
So yeah, if there's no large database of hair analysis
to say this is bigfoot, you're not going to say
it's not gonna prove it one way or another.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
Yeah, right now, right now, we have an idea of
what we're looking at.

Speaker 4 (01:58:12):
We have an idea.

Speaker 3 (01:58:13):
Generally, we have an idea. I sent a Harry into Doug.
Before I sent it, he was asking me questions, he
was checking off the checking the boxes. It checked off
all the boxes, plus had had some weird anomalies to it.
It could be nothing, but but knowing what he knows

(01:58:35):
and he's been around researchers and scientists and stuff. Once
he deemed it okay, which maybe worth might be worth
my time sending on in you know.

Speaker 4 (01:58:43):
So yeah, it's I think collecting data is the hardest thing.
I think for something like hair too, you would want
like a trifecta, I think almost or even just you'd
want footprints to go along with the hair finding that
you had. That would go a long way, I think.

(01:59:05):
But the spot where we found that one of the
guys found the hair that was le possibly legit bigfoot hair.
There was some tree breaks nearby that seemed out of place.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
So you've got you when you when you find a
piece of evidence by itself, it doesn't mean much, but
when you start finding part two number three yep four A,
and then it starts to tell a story in that area,
So yeah, you're you.

Speaker 4 (01:59:31):
I don't know if you watched the very first Bluff
Creek it was the second episode I think I did
for the SABE series. There's a part in there. I
think that video is like an hour long or something,
but there's a part in there where we're on this
paved road. It's called the Go Road, and I think
that road I've heard knocks on that road in the
winter before, and it's a I think it's a good
area because it's like the Go Road goes. It connects
from Highway ninety six and pretty much goes thirty miles

(01:59:58):
into the Siski Wilderness and through Bluff Creek and everything. So,
and it's a it's not a public it's a public road,
but at dead ends, so there's no reason for people
to travel on except for locals or people hunting and
we were walking that road at night. It was me
Ron and my buddy Stevie. We were walking that road

(02:00:19):
and we were doing some calls. We heard some pot
I think what we've determined it might have been was
a flangellated owl because we were hearing it respond back
to us. We didn't know we had some we had
somebody back a camp. But we found this really big
tree break that didn't seem like it came from a
person hoaxing. And then a few yards up the road

(02:00:42):
there was like these weird track lines on the these
pine needles on the side of the paved road. I
was like, that's interesting. We found a tree break or
a broken tree and then these possible tracks. So there's
another incident where.

Speaker 3 (02:00:58):
We found right, and yeah, I think sometimes the subject
is so romanticizing. You know, people think they're monsters and
all that. If if they're leaving evidence, if I was
tracking a deer like that or or a person or whatever,
I wouldn't have a problem saying, hey, it went this
way and whatever. But because it's bigfoot, sometimes people are like, oh,

(02:01:21):
you can't prove it. You can't look something big moved
this way, you know, manipulated the forest. So yeah, it's
it's it's so funny. We go back to the naysayers,
which we need. We need them if it's constructive criticism
or good questions, you need that.

Speaker 4 (02:01:41):
Uh yeah, And I have no problem in meting like, Okay,
maybe that tree break we found was done by a
human and obviously with tracks, unless there's clear physical features
in it. If it's a human shape track, you know

(02:02:02):
it very well could be a human too, right, Because
it's not in a place that's very hard to you
could drive your car to it, and you could drive
a Tesla or like a Lamborghinia up to that spot
and be okay because it's a paved road.

Speaker 3 (02:02:17):
And that's a good point because you said earlier you
found something in a spot. If if you're in the
Smoky Mountains and that place is one of the most
visited parks each year, and it's an easy access a
spot along a trail that's all that's used all the
time by everybody, and you find something you got you

(02:02:39):
can't you can't say that, well, that could be well,
I guess you could say it could be. But if
you're on the appalas and trail and then you veer
off of it three miles to go to a waterfall
that like only twelve people in the entire history of
the world's ever seen, and you start finding evidence that's
a little different. Yeah, and we know that I'm stating

(02:03:00):
the obvious, but Tate, we got people that that are
coming into this, they're new, they might be the you know,
the first time they've ever watched a show like this,
and so I have to keep it. I have to
realize I've got very inexperienced people with really really good researchers.

(02:03:20):
And so when some people when you say, well, that
was kind of obvious, well it is some people Olkham's razor.

Speaker 4 (02:03:28):
You know, the most obvious answer is the answer it's
And that's a good way to you have to have
good fundamentals with the bigfoot research, you know, in general,
because otherwise everything's going to be bigfoot, you know, like, oh,
that's I swear that's bigfoot, but it's really not. I mean,

(02:03:50):
if you think about it again, California has the highest
population of black bear, and you could go, you can
spend two weeks and never see a black bear in
northern California and Bluff Creek, and there's been times that's happened,
but you know they're there just because you don't see them,
but you still you know. You want to be careful
when you're looking at possible evidence for bigfoots because you

(02:04:13):
don't want to come up like everything's bigfoot. You want
to be rational, You want to be critical thinking. You
want to see, Okay, are there people out here? Where
the people out here recently? Is the is there somebody
out here I don't know about, maybe there's another car
here stuff and things like that. You want to be
taking those consideration. How how accessible is this spot because

(02:04:36):
that where that rock side incident is. I don't think
a lot of people who go out there that don't
know the area would think that's an area where bigfoot
would be because, like you want to get to that
spot where the rocks came down, you have to bushwhack
this old logging road that's decommissioned now and it's like
trees and branches overlining, and to get up there. It's

(02:04:59):
a good vantage point. You can see the road, you
can see lights coming in at night especially, so I
think it's a good vintage point for any predator, but
any your average person who's interested in the big foot
subject would not know about that area up there.

Speaker 3 (02:05:11):
You know, think about this, It might scare you a
little bit, y'all might have walked through an ambush point
and made it out because, like you said, you had
the high ground watching over something in the creek. You know,
we've heard stories of them funneling from my witnesses.

Speaker 4 (02:05:31):
Funnily, I think, yeah, I think we are interrupting something
them hunting or whatever. Because you know, don't get me wrong,
bears and mountain lions are very smart. I catch us
smarter than a bear in my opinion, just one hundred.
I think that's just a given in my opinion. But

(02:05:51):
I don't think an animal is that smart enough to
distract us from scaring whatever we were scaring down there,
Because I think, like you're saying, one to have the
high I want to have the lower ground. I think
animals do that for hunting in general. For smart We've
seen it with people, you know, a lot of uh.
I think a lot of First Native American tries will
do that back in the day. They'll use the high

(02:06:12):
ground low ground kind of funnel something in the middle.
So I think when we were out there, something was
up above, and then we were unbeknowicedly throwing rocks down,
terrorizing something down there. We had no idea, and so
whatever is up top distracted us to get us our attention,
and it worked because when we were looking up there,
we heard something walking. We fell right into.

Speaker 3 (02:06:35):
It, and you know, once again, there show's intelligence.

Speaker 4 (02:06:38):
It was very coordinated. How it felt right, It was
really weird.

Speaker 3 (02:06:44):
Uh, anybody get any questions? Were we just we hit
two minutes, two hours, six minutes ago and everybody knows
I can talk for eight or ten hours, but leaving up, yeah,
I mean, I p I I appreciate you saying yes,
I've been wanting to talk to you for a while.

(02:07:04):
But it's like you only do so many shows. I'm
not going to do three, four or five shows a
week because I feel like that kind of takes away
from the quality, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:07:16):
So yeah, I kind of I'm trying to say no
to do any more podcasts because like, it's it's hard.
I kind of wanted to be special now, you know,
and if you do so many of them, you kind
of run out of things to talk about.

Speaker 3 (02:07:29):
Kind of like what you're saying, yeah, it's and usually
you know, I've got people coming up in the next
few weeks. I know they have incredible stories, incredible research.
I don't I want to hear it for the first
time if possible right here, and uh have you know,
trigger questions and all that. So, uh, we're we got

(02:07:51):
a lot of a lot of questions. Uh, worst tape researching. Next?
What area? Not not next?

Speaker 4 (02:08:01):
I don't know really, probably Atlanta. We'll be up.

Speaker 3 (02:08:09):
If you get if you get down there this way, Uh,
we've got some spots for you to check out. So
just give me a hauler.

Speaker 4 (02:08:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:08:16):
Well I'm not saying I'm not saying I'll go. I'm
just let look, you need to go. Yeah, you need
to check this out.

Speaker 4 (02:08:22):
There's actually this, I think the spot that I'm going
to return to, Amanda.

Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
You know it.

Speaker 4 (02:08:26):
There's a cool waterfall over by that area. It's a
spot where Alex and E and I went to and
we got rained out really bad mm hmm. And I
was like, this is a good area and I want
to return back to it. So I'm going to check
that out. I'm actually going up to Atlanta for a concert.
But I figured i'd killed two birds with one stone
and both.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
Hey, you're in the area. Might as well.

Speaker 4 (02:08:50):
Yeah, only an hour drive.

Speaker 3 (02:08:51):
You know, well, keep keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:08:55):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:08:57):
You know. I talked to Doug a while back and
he told him, you know, I appreciate what you did
and the monster quest thing and how it helped people
like me that had encounters way way back. And he
was laughing. He said, well, I don't know when it
was on, People like where do my history stuff go?
Why is it? Why are we talking about big Foot?
Why are we talking about pterodactyls and stuff? But the

(02:09:20):
people that really really appreciate it usually don't say anything.
So I take time to you know, thank thank you
for what you do, and keep it up because I
enjoy it. I mean, I'm a sucker for a walk along.
I mean, I love the woods. If I can't be
out in the woods, I would gladly watch y'all do

(02:09:41):
y'all things. So y'all, yeah, you know what's fun.

Speaker 4 (02:09:44):
It's kind of sad real quickly too. I think I've
become a little bit better towards people and their encounters.
The longer, the longer you're staying this, it kind of happens,
I think because when you when you're in the beginning
in the beginning, you kind of have sensory overload, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:10:00):
Oh yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (02:10:01):
Then after a while or like it takes a lot
to impress me.

Speaker 3 (02:10:04):
Now yeah, ye, well and it's not it's.

Speaker 4 (02:10:08):
Not anybody's fault. It's just it's just happens, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:10:11):
Well, it's true. It's a progression of you come in
all uh, wide eyed and into the shubb You're right,
I've had to take breaks. I've had to step back
and like this.

Speaker 4 (02:10:22):
Yeah. But like like if you hang around, if you
have if you like, if you hang around a lot
of people have nice cars all the time, and you know,
like a car shows and you're kind of known for that,
and then somebody comes like you see my car, I'm like, yeah,
that's cool. Get kind of I'm sorry it doesn't impress
me because I'm like around these cars all day.

Speaker 3 (02:10:41):
Right or whatever. I totally understand what you're saying. You
get desensitized to some things and if you after you
you can do the same thing watching watching old Well,
now there's only so many plots that you can do
for a thirty minute comedy show, uh, or or an
hour and a half movie. And oh and as you

(02:11:02):
get as you get older, you're like, oh, I know
it's going you know, I've heard just a meeting.

Speaker 4 (02:11:06):
So even movies in Hollywood, just because I like movies
that like watching behind the scenes, like even a lot
of movies nowadays that come out of Hollywood, I am
very unimpressed. Like I do not care for the new
Jurassic Park movies or the Star Wars because there's no
originality anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:11:23):
There's no soever you can figure out the plot of it,
like within like fifteen twenty minutes, that's gonna happen. You're like,
I bet you this is about to happen, and sure enough, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:11:33):
I don't. I don't. I don't watch any Marvel movies anymore,
hardly because like they're just they're right now. It's quantity
over quality right at this point, I'm like, there's it's
so bad. There's so many it's the same thing over
and over, and even like just one off movies that
have nothing to do with like any series or anything.

(02:11:55):
Like a good movie is Knives Out with Daniel Craig.

Speaker 3 (02:12:00):
Oh, yeah, like those two movies.

Speaker 4 (02:12:02):
Those are great. I love those.

Speaker 3 (02:12:03):
When you don't know what's going to happen. There was
there was I saw something yesterday, probably on TikTok It
said that the Fast and Furious.

Speaker 4 (02:12:16):
There's so many of those movies.

Speaker 3 (02:12:18):
Fast and Furious, and what was the movie was Swazi
and Keanu with the point break, Yeah, point break. They
said they're the exact same movie, and they broke it
down the plot. It was exactly the same, except just different.
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:12:34):
Jurassic Park, the Lost Well, the Jurassic World. The first
one is basically Jurassic Park. It basically is, except for
the only difference is the the the island with the dinosaurs,
the visitors and those all up and running. At that
point in the first movie, it was just like they're

(02:12:54):
coming here to okay, the park to get to that
point mm hmm. The second Jurassic World was this second
Lost World. The dinosaurs went to the mainland. Who saw
that coming.

Speaker 3 (02:13:06):
Right next next? I think if you follow the Freddy
and Freddy Krueger and Jason next next thing that they're
going to be on a spaceship somewhere going to another
world to.

Speaker 4 (02:13:19):
Very It takes a lot to impress me nowadays, I'm.

Speaker 3 (02:13:22):
Like, well, look, thank you for coming on. And I
do totally understand because I've told my story so much.
At first, I couldn't get it out quick enough and
it very therapeutic and whatever. Now I will tell it.

Speaker 6 (02:13:37):
But.

Speaker 4 (02:13:39):
You don't want to anymore.

Speaker 3 (02:13:41):
It's like, yeah, it's actually but I go back to Okay,
somebody asked me to be on I'm like, yeah, I'll
do that. And I'm not being cheesy here, but if
it helps one person, you know what I mean, tell
the same thing as you. I saw the thing, I
couldn't talk about it, and and everything that I say

(02:14:03):
has been said before. So it's not really like, h
it wasn't a terrifying encounter. It was just it was
just an encounter that was that was real and it
lasted about thirty seconds. So it gets it gets old
listening to me myself tell my tell the original story.

Speaker 4 (02:14:23):
So I do I do want to say this real quickly.
I always liked this little fun fact about me and
somebody very prominent in the Bigfoot world. So obviously Ronymous
is very infamous with Bigfoot because of Bob Hoeronymous, Right,
So I'm trying to make the hieronymous name great for Bigfoot,

(02:14:44):
you know, trying to restore it.

Speaker 3 (02:14:48):
You know, I understand, but it's a. It's because you
are doing it for the right reasons.

Speaker 4 (02:14:55):
It's that's exactly it. And what's funny about that is
I end up in Bluff Creek doing working with the
Bluff Free Project. Sorry, and I'm very heavily with that
whole thing. And I love the PG film is what
really got me into it. But I'm from I'm from
Kansas City, Missouri. Originally, That's where I'm from. Get get this.

(02:15:15):
You know who else is from Missouri originally Bob Gimin,
I was, I was.

Speaker 3 (02:15:25):
I was throwing it out there. You know where Belton's at?

Speaker 4 (02:15:27):
Belt? Yeah, it's near Harrisonville.

Speaker 3 (02:15:29):
My brother, my brother in law is a superintendent school there.

Speaker 4 (02:15:33):
Yeah. Belt. I have some friends that love near Belton.
I'm there all the time because I traveled through that way,
so I stayed with my friends up there. And yeah, Bob,
Bob Gimmon's from Missouri. He's a Missouri boy, and I'm
from Missouri. My name's infamous and Bigfoot and Bob Gimlin
and I got to be in the film site together,

(02:15:53):
so that was really special. The two Missouri boys that
are defined by Bigfoot and our generations apart meet up.
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (02:16:06):
That's cool, y'all. Thank y'all so much. It's it's, you know,
like I said, we didn't have a plan, but I
don't think it could have win any better. A nice conversation,
I think, you know, when when people are sincere about
it and you can have those conversations. Great questions from
the chat. We don't get to all of them. Some

(02:16:28):
of them had been answered early on when we first started.
So if y'all go back and watch the first you know,
twenty thirty minutes before you got here, one last thing,
one last thing, Southern goodbye. But I had a couple
of people brought this up, when's the book coming out?

Speaker 4 (02:16:46):
The book? Is that the next thing that I have
to do with right?

Speaker 3 (02:16:51):
I don't know, I don't know. I thought about it,
and I'm like, you know what, what I'm doing. What
we're doing, Amanda and and some of the people we're documenting,
we're documenting the things. It's you know, so I think.

Speaker 4 (02:17:06):
I'm I'm I'm thirty two, but I think I'm too
young to write a book right now. I don't think
I've had enough stuff happen yet. So well, take a
few years.

Speaker 3 (02:17:15):
Y'all can put out a Bigfoot album camp fire songs.
I heard some of that.

Speaker 4 (02:17:21):
If I do, it might be you might want to
watch the children around what.

Speaker 3 (02:17:26):
I I know?

Speaker 4 (02:17:27):
Right, Yeah, anyway, y'all have some pretty fun stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:17:34):
Yeah. We we're fixing to get out of here. And
you know, I've met so many nice people that it's, uh,
it's refreshing. It's more nice people doing some of this.
And there are my neighbors, you know, like why do
you hang around bigfoot people? I'm like, because most of
them are cool as everything.

Speaker 4 (02:17:54):
And then some of them are great, like you would
not like a lot of bigfoot musicians or not musicians.
A lot of bigf researchers are musicians too, yes, which
I found crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:18:05):
So it is there's some what do you call it synchronicities, Amanda,
So there's some things that's like, uh, I started ah
there for a while I was asking people, you know,
I found out its old negative and had all this
stuff Neanderthal DNA and all that, you know, and I'd
be like, are you old negative? And like most of
them are like, how did you know? I don't know,

(02:18:27):
And maybe it's just way we're built, and we questioned
things I don't I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:18:32):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:18:33):
All right, we're fixing the get out of here. Uh, Tates.
You can hang around if you want to, If you don't,
that's that's that's cool. We uh I know Amanda's in
the one time zone over so she's probably getting ready
to go to bed.

Speaker 4 (02:18:48):
Yeah, man, Amanda and I are in the same time zone.

Speaker 1 (02:18:50):
Yeah, we're both East coast's over here.

Speaker 4 (02:18:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:18:54):
All right, good night everybody, Thank you, Tate, thank you guys. Hey,
I'm Nelma fan and I'm listening to Squatching Holler.

Speaker 5 (02:19:06):
And if you are hearing me say this, you are too,
which means you have excellent taste.

Speaker 1 (02:19:11):
Cheers.