Talking Weird #168 UFO Contact & Disclosure with Ian Steven

Filmmaker and storyteller Ian Steven approaches the UFO topic with optimism and a deep respect for those who’ve experienced it firsthand. From his home base in Madison, he hosts Alien Wisconsin, a YouTube series blending news coverage and personal interviews to explore how encounters with the unknown shape ordinary lives. His award-winning short film earned "Best TV/New Media Short" at MidWest WeirdFest, and his ongoing work aims to make the UFO discussion open, grounded, and human.

Watch ALIEN WISCONSIN on Youtube, here: https://www.youtube.com/@alienwisconsin

Ian returns to Talking Weird to chat about recent developments in UFO research: from the highly anticipated documentary THE AGE OF DISCLOSURE by filmmaker Dan Farah, through the mysterious anomalies of comet 3I/ATLAS, to Ian's own current research and documentary work .

He's also an expert on UFO politics. So get ready to hear updates on what's going on in DC, with regards to UFO revelations and any rumors about potential UFO disclosure.

This is another fascinating episode with Ian, that will catch you up on current UFO news. Do not miss it!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Paranormal, Zufos, Monsters Mysteries. As you're listening to Talking
Weird and now from a Kevin Deep in the northwards,
your host, doctor Dean.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Bertram, Greetings of my fellow widows and widow's welcome to

(00:46):
Talking Weird on the Unsold Radio Network. I'm your host,
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(01:06):
for spending some time with me tonight or this morning,
or whatever the time zone is wherever you are. I
really appreciate it. I'd love to know that you're watching
and listening. And if you're watching live, please jump over
to the chat, ask some questions tonight, say hello. It's
always fun to engage with you or we have a
very lively chat and it's always I think the more
the merrier. I'm really delighted with tonight's guest. I've had

(01:29):
him on the show a couple times before and I
always enjoy I always enjoy chatting with him. He's a
fascinating and knowledgeable individual. He's a filmmaker and storyteller who
approaches the UFO topic, which of course is one of
my favorite wheelhouses with a deep respect for those of
experienced at firsthand, from his home base in Madison, Wisconsin,
which is also of course I'm in Wisconsin, a little

(01:50):
bit further north than than Madison, but he's a follow Wisconsin.
But he hosts The Alien Wisconsin Show, which is a
YouTube series blending news coverage and personal interview us to
explore how encounters with the unknown shape ordinary lives. His
award winning short film earned a Best TV New Media
Short at Midwest weird Fest, the festival I run, and

(02:10):
I was delighted that he came that.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I was delighted to have his film submitted.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's so fantastic, and I know he submitted and will
He screened his latest film, which we'll be talking about
a little bit tonight, just at Milwaukee Para Con last month,
which I myself just got to see.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's still work in progress, but I'm hoping that'll be
ready for Midwest Weirdfest. This year, and regardless, he works
to aim and to make the UFO discussion open, grounded,
a human and I think he does an amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Job of that.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
So I'm delighted to welcome back to Talking Weird the
wonderful Ian Steve.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Hey there, Thanks for having me. It's such a wonderful introduction.
I really appreciate being on your show tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Man, it's great having you. It's always such an enjoy
to chat. You've been busy mate since I talked to you.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, I try. I try to stay busy. You know,
you do a couple couple of things a month, and
it adds up after a few months. You know, you
come back and you got a full portfolio of stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
There's so many there's so many things to talk about,
but maybe let's just jump in on what I mentioned
there briefly about your new film and sure you've got
to show me a work in progress Sprint, which the
people at Paraqron got to see as well. Fantastic short
documentary and taking your very an approach. I'm recognizing that
because I've seen a few of your films that very human,
grounded approach to the particularly too experiences of the weed

(03:28):
and the unusual, notably the UFO topic, which is both
I think about wheelhouses.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Tell me tell us what you I don't know how
much you want to.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Spoiler what you can share about that film, but tell
me how that came into being and maybe a little
bit more sure.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
I mean, it's kind of an interesting thing. So I
was asked to be a speaker at PARICN this year
and I was. I actually first met Dean at Pericon
the year before, so that was when I first met him.
He kind of got me started in sabbettic films to
festivals and things like that, so I'm very thankful or
meeting him there that day. It was kind of amazing.

(04:03):
And the year before I was hoping hoping, you know,
I really hope someday I could be a speaker on there,
and so, you know, as luck would have it, I
end up being one of the speakers there, and Mike,
the organizer of the event, says, hey, do you have
any stories from southeastern Wisconsin? And I was like, you know,

(04:24):
I did. I did the horrible thing that you shouldn't do,
as I said, yes I do, when I didn't quite
actually have one. I had been talking to someone and
I was like, I really hope I could convince them
to record something and tell their story. And so he
actually did say yes after a lot of work, a

(04:47):
lot of work kind of you know work, because he
didn't really want to come forward about it. You know,
it's it's difficult. He's a very successful person and he
doesn't want, you know, to be ostracized or face any
of the stigma that comes along with UFHO topic. But
he did allow me to film him and start to
tell his incredible story. His story is essentially kind of

(05:09):
a mixture of the UFO phenomena with the psychic phenomena,
which has kind of become you know, derre Gaherrez of
late is talking about the psychic connection, and I mean, unfortunately,
the word psychic is really loaded and complicated, but if
you use consciousness or spiritual, they don't really get it. It
doesn't really get any better. We don't have like a
great word in English that doesn't cause some sort of

(05:32):
you know, issue or baggage emotionally and verbally. So we
put the film together and it's not quite finished, but
I really enjoyed making it because of his story is
so unique, and because he does actually provide me with
footage of the sighting that he has, so he filmed
the sighting he has that's mentioned in the documentary, which

(05:55):
is always nice. It has a little more credibility to things.
And it also happened recently, so that's nice too. You know,
like having something that happened within the last year, year
and a half is really a wonderful thing because it
seems more frash and relevant. Though I've long believed that
you know, a UFO experience at any time in your
life is funder is groundbreaking and important, so it doesn't

(06:15):
have to be in the last few years. It's just
convenient because if it does happen the last few years,
you might have iphon footage of it or something. So
that's that's wonderful for us.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Talking to you as a fellow documentarian, I always appreciate
how since you are with the people that you interview
for your show and for your various short films, your
various projects, do you have a technique in getting them
to open up because some of these are very personal stories.
I think most stories with the paranormal are very personal stories,
and there's a certain level of I don't want to

(06:46):
say embarrassment, but it might be hard for some people
to come forward with this kind of strange story. So
is there something you Is there an approach you take
when you're talking to witnesses or trying to get people
to come on your show or into your films.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
This is a really it's it's really hard. I'll tell you.
I'll tell you I've been somewhat successful, but it is
really hard. I'll answer you. I'll answer a different question first,
and then i'll answer the question you asked. So a
question I continuously get from people who watch my work
is where do you find these people? Where do you
find these people? Like? Like are you paying them?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Like?

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Where are where are these people coming from? And the
honest to God truth, And I really do mean this
is I they find me, and they find me because
I think of I read this you know rule about
how the universe is constructed, and I really believe it's true,
and it says the the energy that you put out
is the energy that you attract. So that's how people

(07:42):
find each other. I'm sure there are algorithms of social
media also played a role in that too. So I
end up meeting I met this person online just chatting
and honestly slowly, you know, slowly earning their trust, because
what I'm trying to do is I'm also trying to
find out if the story is believable and it would
make a good, you know, something to film, because not

(08:02):
everything is worth filming. It just isn't no offense to anyone.
But like, some stories make better documentaries than others, and
we all know that, so I just take my time.
I think it's because I am kind of you know, nerdy,
as someone in the chat pointed out, and so I
seem in a sent my channel's not monetized. I'm not

(08:24):
looking for money or anything like that. I'm just telling
the stories because I think it's really important to document
this kind of thing, and I think it's I think
it's kind of exciting too. So I'm just happy to
do the work. And I think people can tell that
I'm being sincere. I think that's how I approach it.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I think it's interesting too that you mentioned then that
there is some stories which is quite frankly aren't worth
necessarily giving documentary space too or filming. Have you encountered
people who've wanted you to interview them, but you thought, well,
I'm not so sure if I believe the veracity of
your story. I'm not so sure how good this is

(09:01):
going to turn out as an actual film or.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Have you had to face that as well? Turning people
down and for what reasons?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:10):
I mean sometimes, like if I'm honest, like I started
as a photographer who got into videography and filmmaking kind
of because of this topic, you know, just because I
was so interested in it, and also because there was
such a need for video and film work. There just is,
and so it just was something that I was interested

(09:30):
in learning. But I have met people who have stories
that are very complicated, like maybe they've had experiences their
entire life, and I find that those stories, at least
when I first started, I ran into people like this.
I just didn't know how to do it, you know,
I was, I was new to the genre, and I
kind of I kind of turned it down just because

(09:51):
I was like, I just don't know how to tell
this story. It's too complicated. It goes on for like
forty years and all these different locations, and you know,
that kind of story is sad to turn down, but
it's like, you know, it's probably for someone else to
tell them, not for me. Occasionally, some people. I think

(10:12):
this is very frustrating, but some people cope with their
experiences of the paranormal with substances, and I don't think
that necessarily discredits them at all. I mean, people people
drink or whatever for all sorts of reasons. But a
lot of large part of the audience does believe that
discredits them, and that and I don't really want those
people to be attacked online or you know, picked on

(10:37):
or and so I just kind of like often turn
those down too, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
I know that that does make sense. We have a
fun comment which I think you'll appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
You might be sure because I know it's how to
read the comments when you're actually answering a question.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
This Horror Smith, who is Professor emeritus of astronomy and
Physics at Michigan State University, a good friend of the show.
He's been on the show. He mentioned, obviously because you
were talking about Southeast Wisconsin. In astronomy history, Southeast Wisconsin
is known for the I guess you pronounced.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
It, Yerkes observatory is how do you pronounce it?

Speaker 4 (11:07):
I I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Actually, oh I don't know either.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
But the fascinating thing is apparently jam On Heinech did
his pH d work.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
This. I actually read. I read this some time ago.
It's it is a nice Wisconsin kind of like connection.
It's it's wonderful to have one of the top two,
you know, UFO people of all time there. I read
that at the time that he was studying, like it
was actually very cold the observatory, like it wasn't well
insolated or something. So it kind of like reads like like,

(11:40):
you know, these these hilarious stories. It's almost like he's
camping in the observatory because it's a Wisconsin winter. You know,
it's just miserable and it's just all met it's a
metal tube.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Tough time.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
It's Theamantha who you know, my girlfriend you said, Hi, Ian, Hey,
They're nice to see you.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
She's a big fan of yours as.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
M I oh, thanks.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
I think I think at some stage we're going to
move into the age of disclosure documentary because I know,
I know how interested you are in that. But maybe
maybe first we want to talk about the three iye
Atlas I guess common or interstellar object or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Oh my gosh, what a mess is the three eye atlass.
That's that is a complicated story. I've been I've been
kind of obsessed with it too. It's just really really interesting.
So I mean, I assume our audience probably knows about it,
but let's let's just start at the very beginning. Three
means the third I is interstellar Atlas is the the

(12:42):
scientific observatory group that found it. So it's three iye
at lists. So it's the third interstellar object that we've seen,
which is really not that many of them. We've seen
a Mua Mua and bor Staff for the other two.
And so it was I believe it was found either
June or July of this year, which is pretty pretty

(13:04):
interesting because usually we detect things like comets much more
in advance. It's typically over a year, but this one
is moving so fast. I wonder if that is part
of why it wasn't detected. It's the fastest object we've
ever seen in space. It is. It is just remarkably fast.
It's also very enormous. It's a muhamua was the size

(13:26):
of like a large canoe. And this is the size
a little bit larger than Manhattan. To give you an
idea of just like what a difference in size the
two objects are. It's it's just been a very interesting
and yet very frustrating kind of experience to try to
like learn about three IYAT lists. We now live, unfortunately

(13:47):
in the age of AI slop as it is being called.
There is a lot of garbage being put up about
three i AT lists with automated robotic voices that aren't
you know, are they're not even that that robotic anymore.
And some sample famous scientists and they are there, it's
not their work. So there's been a lot of disinformation

(14:09):
put out about three iautlysts just for clicks on YouTube.
What makes it really interesting, of course, is that Harvard
astrophysicist Avi Loeb has been really championing, championing thinking about
three iat lists as possibly a alien technology. He gives
it about a forty percent chance, and he eventually ends

(14:33):
up He's on all these different news shows he talks
about it, and they clip him down. They clip him
down to like the most salacious thing he says, and
so he seems kind of like a crack pot when
you watch it, because that's what the news in the
media do. They just try to make it as the
most salacious, tittilating part is what they tell you. Eventually
he ends up on Joe Rogan, I believe last week

(14:54):
or the week before, I can't keep track, And that's
a two hour interview and he really goes over three
iatlists and a lot more detail, and he talks about
the concept of a black Swan event. Black Swan events
are something that is very unlikely but very dangerous if
it happens. For example, a nuclear war would be example

(15:17):
of a black swan event. It just you know, obviously
it's it would be very impactful if it happened. And
so he describes how three iat liss is unlikely to
be alien, but not that unlikely that we can't consider it,
and he starts to really push us and the science
community into thinking about about this as a possibility. Then

(15:41):
there's a lot of other weird stuff that happened with
three iatlists. First off, it originally had a comet. It's
comet's tail quote unquote was its on its head, So
it's more like a unicorn as opposed to a tail.
Then it comes into our solar system basically in line
with the planets, if that makes sense. Like there's it's

(16:04):
not like perfect, but it's really darn close it's almost
like it's it's being guided or it has like a
trajectory that it picked. Then there's a couple other weird
things about it, like it is going at a constant
nearly a constant speed, which is something that doesn't really happen,

(16:24):
and it, you know, goes by Mars, and it goes
between the Sun and the Earth, and then it changes color.
It changes color again, and then it seems to have
additional its own propulsion. That's like the latest thing we've heard,
like it seems to have moved a little bit on
its own, not as a result of the gravity of
the Sun or of the planets, and that's been really

(16:46):
interesting to watch. Both NASA and the European Space Space
Association ESA have hidden some of the data on it. Unfortunately,
the European Space Association has hidden has put a what's
the word embargo on the spectrographic data of three ilists

(17:07):
for seventy four years. We will be able to find
out what it was made of in the year I
think it's twenty ninety eight or something something like that,
maybe twenty ninety nine. And NASA has yet to release
the images of three i AT lists from when it
was near Mars. In fact, the Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna,

(17:31):
who is constantly working on the UFO topics. She was
the host of the last UFO hearing in front of Congress.
She issued a formal request on Halloween to NASA to
get more information about it, because it's very clear that
there's more to the story, but we're just not seeing
the rest. And it also really hurts the scientific community

(17:51):
because it puts this air of stigma on it, like
you can't even study this, you can't even look into it.
I mean, my conclusion is that we're essentially there's there's
only two things that three I AT lists can be.
It's either a some sort of an alien craft or
alien vessel of some kind, or it's a novel new
kind of celestial object that we don't really know. It

(18:15):
is something that breaks the rules and you know, shows
us a new face of the universe. I don't know
what it is. I don't I don't have any you know,
magical information, but I do find it very interesting and
very peculiar, and I do hope that that information from
NASA and from the European Space Association can actually be

(18:36):
investigated by scientists who are more qualified to make a
thorough analysis of this object.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
It's so interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Of course, the and this might be a nice segue
into the Age of Disclosion documentary.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Of course, the.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Coinciding with many of these things seem to be a
speeding up of the narrative, the narrative of disclosure. Comment
we would talking about, whether it's the upcoming documentary, whether
it's recent congressional hearings. There seems to be all of
these things playing together. Whether by coincidence or not, it

(19:12):
seems to be playing into a narrative of upcoming disclosure.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
I know there are people that are in the space.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I think Daniel List is a journalist who was and
Info War was just this week and he was talking
about the fact that they're almost certain that they knew
about the commet.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
More recently than they said they did.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
And this is all part and whether I'm not saying,
I believe this is an interesting theory. This along with
the Age of Disclosure, along with congressional hearings, along with
a lot of the language which has been revolving around
a lot of this stuff. You know, even in the
trailer that I know you dissected and we can talk
about that in a minute for the age of disclosure,
This idea of unidentified objects being within our military and

(19:56):
nuclear airspace, and how dangerous this is that it almost
seems like there's a narrative in woven of a danger
from outside which we don't understand, which might some capacity
empower certain agencies or certain interests within the broader military
industrial complex to double down to argue for more funding

(20:17):
or you know, to to to encourage, you know, this
type of approach to the UFO phenomen the government based,
military industrial based approach to a danger presented from outer space?
Is is that something you I know you're very optimistic,
which I really do like about you.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
But is that more negative, you know, pessimistic.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Something that ever occurs or what are your what are
your what are your thoughts on that anyway, because I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
You have some.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yeah, I try to be an optimist about these sort
of things. I actually am aware of that segment on
in fol Wars. It was on UFO Twitter. I don't
actually watch in fol Wars, it was it was just
i'n watched the segment. It is really unusual that there
seems to be coincidence. It is interesting that there might
be some organization in a campaign. There's basically this concept.

(21:10):
There's this concept of two different kinds of disclosure, right.
So the first kind of disclosure is called catastrophic disclosure. Now,
that's the idea of like an Edward Snowden moment where
someone steals all the information, you know, maybe even an
alien body, and runs out of the facility and leaks
it to CNN and everybody sees it and goes, oh

(21:31):
my god, oh my god, they read it all. That's
catastrophic disclosure. And then there's this other kind of disclosure
called controlled disclosure. And people who talk about what you
just said about like how there seems to be you know,
these hearings line up with the sighting of this this
unusual comment like thing, and how it all sort of aligns.

(21:54):
That's those people believe often in control disclosure, where the
government is kind of like dripping it out slowly, piece
by piece to kind of let people feel, what's the word,
accustomed to it, or warm up to it slowly. You know,
we've had three of these interstellar objects. We've had three
of these UFO hearings in front of Congress. Steven Spielberg

(22:16):
has another UFO movie coming out, and then we have
the Age of Disclosure movie coming out, so we also have,
you know, things like the Vice President talking about it,
which is really interesting too in and of itself, he's
not in an Age of disclosure, but it's very interesting
that you would have the Vice President of the United
States talking not once but twice in detail on podcasts

(22:36):
saying that he is obsessed with UFOs and it will
get to the bottom of it. So is it possible
that there is some sort of a controlled disclosure? Oh? Absolutely.
These people are masters of the universe. They can do
whatever they want. And there's really no expense that couldn't

(22:57):
be that. You know, there's no cost too high when
it comes to this topic, Like if you wanted to
release that DP byd Rep, you could afford to do so.
You have the resources, you have the smart people. If
they wanted to, they could. I don't know if that's
the case. I have really no way of knowing. I
try to think of these people as being good actors,
and I guess I give too many people better for

(23:17):
doubt in that regard.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
No, I mean, that's again, that's something I really like
about you. I do.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm interested with Vice President Dvance's interest in the topic
and certainly his position that these things could be spiritual,
namely angelic or demonic, And he said as much because
that fits into something that has interested me for many,
many years, even before the age of disclosure, which we're

(23:43):
entering now, going back to people like Shark Flat and
John Key and Patrick Harp and people who noted the
similarities with whatever we imagined extraterrestrials were with older traditional
supernatural apparitions. But what interests me even more today is
I think the disclosure movement, the key players in the

(24:04):
disclosure movement, or many of the key players from Tom
DeLong through Leslie Keane who co authored at the twenty
seventeen piece of The New York Times which kind of
broke this all open. Of course, Tom absolutely Tom Delong's
agency to the Stars Academy kind of linked all of this,
you know, or did the major job in publicizing the
tik tak videos that then became part of the twenty

(24:26):
seventeen New York Times story, and through to people on
the right like Tucker Carlson and jd Vance, but just
generally across the whole broad including including Grush, the major
whistleblow with so many people who are either part of
the disclosure movement or have been the major press interested
in the disclosure movement have come forward saying that they

(24:49):
either know or that they believe that whatever this is
is extraterrestrial.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
It's dimensional, or it's spiritual, which.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Essentially really just you know, once a scientific bird, the
term one's a more supernatural version of the term. But
all of these people who've and it hasn't been something
that media have really jumped upon, but it seems to
me to have been an undercurrent of the disclosure movements
for years now. I don't know what your position is
is on that or have exchanged it all.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Well, it's interesting to say that I actually just started
doing work on a piece called something called like UFOs
Angels and Demons, So that's interesting that you bring this up.
You were a very keen eye for noticing this trend,
and it absolutely is a trend for whatever reason. And
I don't know why. I've talked about I talk about
politics a lot on on my show. Originally, Alien Wisconsin

(25:37):
was actually going to be mostly about the politics of
aliens and like the legal side, and you know, the
Republicans and the Democrats and all that, but it just
didn't end up working out that way. But I still
do cover politics. But what's really interesting is, as I
pointed out, the American right is very good about talking
about UFOs, and the American laft is better at life legislating.

(26:01):
So the American right will tell you about it, get
you excited, but not write any legislation, and the left
will actually right the legislation, but not talk about it.
So it's kind of a weird marriage there. But as
of late, there has been a huge interest in conceiving
of UFOs and aliens as angelic or demonic. We've seen

(26:21):
this with as you mentioned, Tucker Carlson, We've seen this
with jd Vance, Marjorie Taylor, Green, Anna, Paulina Luna was
asked on Joe Rogan about this, and I mean, those
are just those are the most prominent ones. It certainly
goes down to medium and small sized podcasters. My personal
opinion on it is, you know, if some technology is

(26:46):
so far advanced, or there's the Asimov quote about the
technology being so far advanced that it's indistinguishable from magic,
and so I think about that a lot. With the
angels and the demon's comment is would they just be
entirely indistinguishable from that concept, even though I personally believe
it's it's a more of a technological phenomenon that has

(27:07):
a spiritual component.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
I I got dragged what's kicking and screaming to this spiritual, psychic,
celestial component to it because I kind of hoped it
was bunk.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I really did. And then I started working on a
piece about CE five and got involved in that community,
and then saw it firsthand, and so I knew that
it actually is possible that there is this kind of mental, spiritual,
psychic component to it, oh, for good or bad. And
I can see why why calling something an angel or

(27:42):
a demon is really an easy and convenient shortcut. I
do wonder if that's really good for the movement long term,
because if we want to, we kind of get stuck
in this Christian ideology really, you know, And that's I
don't know, for better or worse, that's that's just where
things are at the moment. It feels like it feels

(28:03):
like that's the popular thing to do, is classify them
as angels and demons? Right now? Does that answer your question?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
It sure does to me.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's fascinating because somebody who has normally if I'm a believer,
I don't think I'm a believer, and I'm consider myself that,
but I'm somebody who likes to theorize. I've always sat
in the camp of John Keele and Jacques Valet and
these people who have suggested for a long term it
is an extraterrestrial but it's something else, which fits in

(28:34):
with the Christian interpretation as well, of course, but the
uber high strangeness of so much of it seems to
suggest that it's something beyond little green men in tin
cans from out of space. That's the dismissive way of
saying it that people in people in that in that
camp would say it. So I just find it's interesting
that we seem to be hitting that point now. Something

(28:57):
else that I think is super interesting is that the
lay came out recently. I don't know if it was
in a podcast or on an article or an interview.
I'm trying to remember where it was, but I kind
of thought he was drifting to the physical that he'd
always warned about he had in one of his earlier books.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
I think I don't know. I don't think it was
might have been Dimensions or Revelations.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
One of those books, he suggested that there was there
was a danger in the lure of the physical, the
idea of Roswell being real. But after he wrote Trinity,
I'm getting a little deep in the UFO murdering.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
After he wrote Trinity, the Best Kept Secret, he seemed
to be drifting under the idea of meta materials and
government recovering crashsources and all these other things. But recently
he came forward and said that there's a danger in
us putting You might have said danger, but there's a
problem with us putting so much trust that the government
knows everything.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
While they might not know as much as we.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
When I say we the UFO community hope they know
and that they would like us to think they know.
Do you ever think, as somebody who's as interested in
disclosure as I am, that maybe the government knows less
secrets than most people in the UFO community.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Hope they know or would like them to know.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
As a complicated question with them, a complicated answer like
I always tell people this. You know your local postman,
your you know county judge, and AOC and Donald Trump
are all in the government. You can make that case.
So it's the government is a lot of different people,
so it's hard to answer that in a way. But
I know that a lot of people in Congress really

(30:29):
don't seem to know. Like I've watched enough UFO hearings
and enough interviews, I genuinely think that they are curious
as us, and they know less than we do. They
really do. They have other things to do with their
life than just focus on one issue. They have all
these other issues they're working on, and many of them
are super important too, So I don't blame them, but

(30:49):
I don't think that they know everything. I think that
some people do. I think about one of my favorite
UFO researchers, Lynda Thompson, who was kind of small, but
she used to be in charge of MUFON in her
area on the East Coast, and she's written a newsletter
and she's actually in Luel Zando's book Eminent, and I've

(31:11):
had the pleasure of interacting with her. But she said
that there are no experts on this topic. There are
no experts, And I think what she means is that,
you know, if you see one flying saucer, you see
one flying saucer. It would be like if you had
seen one car your whole life, and trying to imagine
what all cars on earth would be like. So I

(31:34):
often think about Linda and that statement, and you know,
if you've met one alien, you've met one alien. You
know there's a lot of different planets out there. There's
a lot of dimensions or you know, aspects of it.
So I don't really think they know a ton. They
certainly know a lot more than they're letting on. I mean,
I also do believe that the United States is currently

(31:57):
in a cold war with China and Russia that is
reverse engineering UFO crafts. This has been hinted at. It's
been mentioned at both the second and the third UFO hearing.
Kind of indirectly. They didn't say the word cold war,
but that's what it is. I believe they said arms race,
and it's kind of a scary thing. But I do

(32:19):
think that there is a physical component, otherwise you wouldn't
have that arms race. So that's that's kind of where
it is. I think now they're going to use the
term AI to be like, oh, that's really what the
Cold War is, But in reality, it's just an extension
of what they've already been working on. I mean, AIS
is going to just be a tool to help understand
these technologies. At least that's my take on it.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
No, I think I think that's a good. I think
that's a good and the reasonable take.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I have a similar position that slanted a little bit differently,
And I do think a lot of the UFO narrative
does involve alms race with other countries or with our
intelligence operations with other countries. And I think it was
Greg Bishop maybe who wrote the wonderful book Project Beat

(33:06):
or amongst many other things, is I think one of
the finest thinkers in the UFO field. But there's a
real possibility if there's disinformation about UFOs just say my
position's right, which is a very skeptical position that whatever
the reality of it is, it's somehow interdimensional and the

(33:27):
extraterrestrial basis of all of these things is somehow just
not real if my position's right, and I could totally
be wrong. As you said, there's no expert it's so true,
but there might be a very good reason for the
US government to run intelligence operations which aren't actually even
always aimed at the UFO.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Community in America.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Although the UFO community in America might be a conduit
for them, and that might be to convince other hostile
nations or operators or whatever that we are back engineering
UFO technology in area fifty one.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I mean, and these these stories might go back to,
you know.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Tales that were spitting from the forties onwards, we do
have some of this technology, because it might it could
do an I don't even know. This is where it
gets really hard to understand what the messaging might be.
But it might be to make them think that we
really do have UFO stuff foreign operators, or it might
be to distract them from what we actually have so

(34:29):
they're like, well, there's nothing happening in that crazy UFL base,
just people going nuts. Well, we're really testing state of
the art. It could be one hundred different reasons. I
can't even think of. But I often wonder if some
of the stories that we know the US government has
been disingenuous in putting forward for the simple reason that

(34:49):
people like Richard Dodie and William Moore came out and
talked about US Air Force intelligence operations dating back to
the to the late seventies early eighties, when so so
much of this law about Roswell and Dulcie and the
base underneath Dulcie and MG twelve documents, and all of
these things come out of a very small cadray of

(35:10):
intelligence operators attached to the US Air Force in the
late seventies through to the mid to late eighties.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
That maybe these things weren't even to trick us.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Maybe they were just this great elaborate plan to student
sales into foreign you know, intelligence operatives, to make them go.
I don't even know what's going on in Area fifty one,
you know, I don't know, but my suspicion is that
it would be somewhat close to the truth some of
this data, whether we whether ET's are real or not,
some of it might be US government spin to throw

(35:41):
foreign hostile actors, you know, off the sense. And that's
where I think you and I are in alignment. I
think there probably is a UFO Cold War. I don't
know how much of it is based on reality and
how much of it is based on spin.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Sure, I mean spin we were talking about this topic.
We're really talking about over eighty five years of history,
so it's it's really kind of complicated. But I certainly
believe that there has been disinformation that's been put out
about UFOs that has been used in the Cold War.
We have definitely have documentation of this, some of the

(36:14):
earliest stuff, and it's really it's really interesting, like one
of one of my favorite stories. And I don't have
attribution on this, I'm sorry, so, but there was this
moment where, you know, in during the Cold War, Russia
had threatened America saying, you know that we have sleeper
agents and we have smuggled a small nuclear bomb into

(36:36):
the United States of America. And Russia says this because
they know that the United States can't detect small nuclear
arms at this point. They just can't. They don't have
the ability to. And so the United States says, well,
just so you know, we have had you know that
UFO that we recovered, we have recovered one of its weapons,

(36:56):
and if you use the nuke, we will use the
weapon on you and there will be nothing after Russia.
And so interestingly enough, both parties were bluffing and nothing happened, thankfully,
and we're still targeting because of it. So I kind
of liked that story a lot personally.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
That's a good story.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I want us to talk about the age of disclosure
at least sure both of US's excitement, although maybe for
different reasons over the trailer. And that's what I love
having you on because we have different perspectives, but I
totally respect I respect your opinions so much. And this
is from Horror Smith again, a good friend of the
show and professor Emers of astronomy and physics. And this
is going back to when we were talking about three

(37:36):
I apps. He said, non gravitational motions are common to
comments including common Howie, is there a reference for that
long embargo and European observations of three ims?

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Yeah, it's in one of my previous videos. There's a
short end bar so getting into the weeds a little bit.
There is a short embargo one as he said, six
to twelve months. That the shorter embargo, but there is
a seventy nine year or seventy four year embargo. I
can it's in one of my videos that says like

(38:09):
comment on it or something or not a comment. It's
one of my last videos. I can look it up.
He can also probably find it on UFO Twitter like
people found it. I'm doing my best to remember something
I made like a month ago or so you know, so, yeah,
obviously he knows more about astronomy. He probably could look
into it a little bit deeper, but I can. I

(38:29):
can try to find a source for him at some point.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Now you should be friends on Facebook because he's a
great guy, Horror Smith. He's always he's always pointing me
and he's different to us again, where like like the
I'm like the paranoid you know, John Keely and skeptic
and you're like the more traditional, you know, hopeful UFO person.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
He's just yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
So, but let's shift to the Age of Disclosure. Maybe
tell people what it is because it's coming out. It's
coming out November twenty one, I think and talk about
some of the reasons you're excited about.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
So the Age of Disclosure is one of those documentaries
that's just just a wild ride. When you watch the trailer.
I do a reaction video of it on my channel
and it's it's sincere I've watched it like three times,
the trailer three to five times, and it's just incredible.
So it might be the highest production value documentary, Like
it's really well made. It has the the basically the

(39:29):
UFO intelligentsia and anyone important in the UFO scene is
in this documentary. And it's produced by the director is
Dan Farra. He is one of Steven Spielberg's like producers
or something is what I read. He's done a couple
other big budget films. It's going to be available on
Amazon for about twenty five dollars on November twenty first.

(39:50):
It has just some incredible quotes and in the documentary,
like it has Marco Rubio saying, you know that there
are you above America's nuclear assets, including our energy and
our weapons, which that alone is just incredible. If you
know anything about American politics. The Secretary of State six

(40:14):
different times in US history has become the president. So
you know, you have both JD. Vans and Marco Rubio
talking about UFOs openly, which is very exciting because either
of them could be the Republican candidate for president anyway.
But the documentary is just is filled with exciting interviews

(40:39):
and quotes and people saying things on the record for
the first time, as already mentioned Mark Rubio. And then
there is I believe Jay Stratton, who ran a UFO program.
He says that for the first time he says, you know,
I have seen with my own eyes, I have seen
alien bodies and alien craft. I might be garbling the
quote slightly, but that's what it means too. I think

(41:01):
it as non human or something like that. And it's
just very exciting because this is going to be brought
to a large audience. Is it going to be perfect.
Absolutely not. It's a documentary. It's going to have a
point of view. It's just mainstreaming of this idea that
this is possible, that this is real, that this is true.

(41:21):
I think we often get lost in conversations trying to
figure out exactly the nature of aliens and UFOs, when
what we really need to be doing is just destigmatizing it,
starting those conversations and taking it seriously. For me, all
I know is that I know that UFOs are real.
That's the end. I know that UFOs are real. I

(41:41):
don't know who's on them, what they are, if it's
an artificial intelligence, if it's from another dimension, if it's
from space, if it's from somewhere on the planet. I
don't know, But I know they're real. And that's all
I can tell you. But I am very excited about
this documentary and I was hoping to have a party,
but I wasn't able to round out the space that
I was trying to get my hands on, So unfortunately,

(42:05):
I'm probably just going to havep biting it with a
few friends at home and the deer comes out.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Maybe you need to organize a Facebook like event with
people watching it simultaneously.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
In Oh, that's a good idea. That's a great idea.
That's a great idea. Maybe I will do that, And
if I do, I'll invite you.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I'll be there remotely from my cabin in the woods
watching it because I very much want to see the documentary.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
I'm interested in it as well.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
I'm interested in it, probably for slightly different reasons to you.
I suspect that when a film of this scope is released,
I suspect they'll be messaging it.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I suspect that, as you mentioned, Dan Farrell, the.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Director's been the producer of Steven Spielberg's in the past,
along with other big Hollywood productions. He's very clearly in
a position where he's able to have access to the
key figures or many of the key figures in governments
who are part of the disclosure movement or interested in

(43:09):
the disclosure movement. He's also a manager. Apparently he's Lewis
Alizondo's manager. Elezondo is also an executive producer on this film, which,
as you and I know as filmmakers, can mean lots
of different things.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
But it means something. Whatever. Does it mean something? Right?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
And I wonder I've been suspicious of el Azondo, as
you may well have been as well, for a very
long time. And I wonder how much of this film
isn't going to be if my position is right and
there is a genuine you know that if there's a
channeled disinfo push of information, regard whatever the reasons for

(43:51):
or whatever the reality is for, if there's a real
push for certain info or dis info out there through
included channels, I think this film is going to be
the film to see that information the official line is
currently because of the people in it.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
And incidentally, there are people.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Who were who were a part of the disclosure movement
that I don't think of bad people like timber Shed.
I'm just looking at the people who were in the
cast on IMDb at the moment. Timber Shed I think
is well intentioned. I don't think he's rise and Apauline
I think is well intentioned. I don't think she's right either.
There are people in there who I don't think are
well intentioned. I don't think James Clapp has been well

(44:28):
intentioned in anything in his life, you know.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
I mean, yeah, I agree, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
But yeah, and then I'll finish the throat to you
because I don't want to write too much. But why
I'm interested is I do think it's going to be
super important because of the buzz behind it, because of
everybody saying this is important, and because of the access,
and I suspect I suspect that whatever the messaging is
that we'll get from this is what the official disclosure

(44:56):
line is at the moment, and that interests interests me
a lot.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yeah. I mean one of your previous episodes you had
me on, you asked me about louel A Zondo, and
I feel like I got the question wrong. So I'm
going to try to correct myself a little here. All
you need to know about louel A Zondo, like there's
a there's you could watch a ton of podcasts, you
could read his book, but all you really need to
know is Louella A Zondo was intelligence. He worked as intelligence.

(45:24):
And that's the thing is if if you've worked as intelligence,
you're and you've you've gotten to that point in US
government where you're high ranking intelligence official, that's what you're
going to be the rest of your life. That's just
what you are. That those are the skills you have,
that's what you're going to do. So any time you
see him, you've got to kind of remember this guy's intelligence.
I think there is or was a controlled disclosure movement,

(45:46):
and I think that, yeah, this movie probably has messaging.
If Louel A. Zondo is actually uh, the executive producer,
I didn't don't think I actually realized that, then it
most likely does have that. But listen, I'm gonna I'm
gonna go on the record. I know everybody wants the
catastrophic disclosure. They want to know everything. They absolutely want
to know everything. I just want to know something. I'm

(46:09):
trying to get disclosure for a different reason. It's not
to it's not to just like tell stories and say,
oh boy, that's interesting. I want to help humanity push
itself into the stars and take its rightful place in
the galaxy. And to do that, we're going to have
to be honest. About what's out in the galaxy, and
we're going to need friends, and so I want that

(46:31):
as sooner we start being honest about these things, the
sooner humanity can move forward into its next phase. And
that's really what my goal is. There has to be
a little bit of forgiveness of these kind of bad actors,
and we have to kind of push ourselves and say, look,
bad decisions were made. The control disclosure is good enough
because something is always better than nothing. And eventually what

(46:54):
will happen is we will find the other stuff too
in time. I just don't know when. Eventually we will
figure it out. Maybe the hell maybe the aliens will
tell us, you know, it's like get one, you might
get the other.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Maybe the demons will tell us.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Maybe the demons will tell us some boy, oh boy,
I really hope that, you know. Maybe my optimism also
like prevents me from thinking about that seriously, Like maybe
I just don't want the demons to be real, Like
I just don't. I mean, gosh, that would be a
real pain in the ass of demons are real, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I mean, I I do like your optimism, and it
does it takes me back to when when there was
a feel whether it was the contact movement, which I
know that's not what you're like at all, the Damski stuff,
but the popular culture I was raised on as a kid,
like the Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Et the.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Extraterrestrial, And mind you, there are plenty of people.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
There who suggest those films might very well have been
some type of controlled release of maybe maybe I don't know,
but that that was certainly that's certainly the an optimistic position.
But I'm like, what do you what do you think
then the UFO taking all everything we've talked about tonight
into the equation and still I hope with your optimistic position,

(48:10):
what do you think the UFO community, like the just
a person in the UFO community, a person interested in this,
or a person investigating this, or a person writing about this.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
What do you think is the is the way forward
for it?

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Oh? Well, yeah, I actually I talked about this in
my speech at piricn So I think there is a
political way forward, there's a scientific way forward, and there's
a cultural way forward, and not any one solution will
do it. It's going to take basically a bunch of
different people working together. But the political way Forward is

(48:45):
going to be achieved through the culture. This is kind
of how I think I may have talked about this.
Another show is how kind of how the game marriage
thing worked out, is that they had to change the
culture because politics are always downstream of culture, so you've
got to get the culture first. In my speech at
PARICN what I talked about is I found the statistic

(49:06):
I found really interesting is that I believe in nineteen
ninety eight thath my gosh, I don't have I didn't
have my numbers with me, but there was say, like
twenty four percent of America believed that UFOs were signs
of aliens visiting Earth. And they asked this question again
in twenty eighteen, which isn't as recent as the UFO hearings,

(49:30):
and that number had swelled to thirty four percent. And
in short, that was an increase of sixty million Americans.
Sixty million more Americans believed that UFOs were signs of extraterrestrials.
I think what we are trying to do the Way Forward,
as you asked, is to pull up people. If we

(49:50):
can just get another like twelve percentage points, we are
going to win this war. We're going to get something.
In one of my uf SO I mean one of
my videos on my channel, I talked about how for
the first time in US history in the twenty twenty
four election, major candidates were asked questions about UFOs. It

(50:12):
was the first time in US history it's ever happened
in an election. I did cover that extensively. I even
eventually meet Tulci Gabbard in that episode and ask her
questions about I mean, I have like twenty seconds with her,
but I get to ask her a question, So, I mean,
that's in that question. She is interested in the topic
for sure, and she didn't dismiss it outright, and so

(50:35):
it was really amazing to see that. I think I
think the way forward is pushing culture to it and
getting politicians to actually start to acknowledge it. I think
that's the way forward. It's not glamorous, and it's still
going to take many years to do because we're still
a ways off from that like forty eight fifty percent.
But each you know, things like seeing you know, Marco

(50:57):
Rubio the Secretary of State, seeing JD. Vance, and seeing
Chuck Schumer, who are all really big names, Like where
the UFO legislation does help normalize the concept and the conversation.
So I think just continuing elevating it and destigmatizing it,
that will be the road to truth.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
By the way, I'm super impressed you met told you
I thought for years that it was a Democrat to
now she's a Republican.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
I've always thought, yeah, I always see you like I've always.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Suspected she was one of the good guys where you know,
whatever side.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Of the political While she seems like a sincere player.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
She was a nice person in person. She was a
nice person in person.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I would I would hope that she would.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
It's crazy times because this politically, this country is so
super divided. Wherever you are, and I'm not casting the
assertions or saying where you sure couldn't be. But but
do you think that do you think the UFO position
is a position that can unite like the country?

Speaker 4 (51:57):
I do. I do. I think. I think. I think
it goes beyond uniting the country. I think it will
unite the planet. Actually, I really do, I genuinely do.
I Mean. One of the nice things is even at
the last UFO hearing you had Annapoline Luno with Jasmine Crockett.
You know you've had AOC at these events, and she
was sitting near Matt Gates, like these people don't like

(52:18):
each other, not one bit, but they know that there's
something to this and they know that humanity, you know,
you have more in common with a human than whatever
these things are. I just even if that person is
very politically different from you, they're a different religion or
look differently than you, You're going to have more in
common with any human than any alien. And so there

(52:41):
is going to be you know, some aspect of I
guess humanity first. Really if we're kind of joking, making
a political joke of it, but you know, humanity first
is people are going to think about about that, and
maybe they will. You know, this is the optimist. Optimist
in me is hoping that maybe people will start fighting

(53:01):
so much to us or and different isms that we
will have of the differences between us because they'll realize
that there's more in common with us than there is
with this extraterrestrial, interdimensional demonic thing whatever it is. Like that,
That's that's my optimism is. I hope that this could
bring upon a new golden era for humanity.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
And I like that there's a part of me that
wants that to be true. There's the now I have
to put on this.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Oh, I know, I know, because my fear is.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
My fear is that maybe that might be somewhat of
the purpose. Maybe that might be a way to set
a gender.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Or push things through. And maybe it's because I was
raised on crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Maybe it's because the end of the Watchman comic book,
not the movie, but the comic book reinvite Ossie Mandy
is invent an alien invasion.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
To unite the planet.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Or maybe it was because I heard enough Roller Reagan
speeches to say, imagine how we would all closer together,
if you know, the Russians and the Americans, if all
of a sudden we were threatened by something from out
of space. So maybe it's because they were out of
limits episodes that dealt with this. Or maybe it's because
of the supposedly hoaxed and it probably is hoaxed, the

(54:16):
report from Iron Mountain conspiracy document, which had a throwaway
line maybe we could unite everybody and give them money
to the military industrial complex if we if we prove
there with an alien you know, invasion happening.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
So I.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
While I like to think that it could be a
force for good, and I hope you are right. I
also wonder if the I have a friend who's who's
who's afar on the left of politics, and he calls
them the ruling degenerates.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
I don't know if I like that firm or not, but.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
If the ruling degenerates might not like to play a
game where they compose their you know, the hostile actors,
the ets or the demons or whatever they are, and
then make us somehow go along with the alternative plan
that Hegelian dialectic of you know, thesis being you know

(55:06):
where we are, anti thesis being what threatens us, and
then where they want us to come out.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
That's so I do worry about that.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
To be honest, I wonder if if the UFO community can't,
or doesn't, by mistakes, sometimes fall into that. That's a
genuine concern.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Yeah, I mean the actual UFO community, despite my despite
my my optimism about most things, is the actual UFO
community is very, very divided, and it's it's hard to
figure out who's who's working for what side, or who's
working for themselves and who who's just getting things wrong.
You know, sometimes people are just wrong, and that's it's
really challenging, Like I I, I don't know, like it

(55:45):
can be difficult, like occasionally got to take breaks from
the UFO community. But I don't take breaks from the topic.
I just take breaks from the community every now and
then because, believe me, everyone who gets into it really
deep should take breaks otherwise you burn out. So I
mean that that's what I would say about that. I
mean people people could use could use this. Uh, you know,

(56:05):
whatever happens is going to cause a great change, you know,
and how do you control this great change? And how
do you how do you profit from it? I don't know.
I'm not sure, and so I'm sure someone is working
on that answer, though it's not me.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
It global relates is flat Rockland, I actually don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I do love talking to you because in some ways
we come together in positions. In some ways we have
have uh different views, which I think help help elucidate
the other positions.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
What's next from you?

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Though?

Speaker 2 (56:39):
We in like what what can we other than the
upcoming film which again I hope to be able to
see me to West Weirdfest?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
What are your what are your plans? What are your project?
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (56:49):
So I mean I have a couple of things planned
for for Alien Wisconsin. I kind of took a break
from it for a while. I think what I really
the problem was is I wanted really high quality content,
you know, and constantly I just couldn't do it. I
also hope that I could find people like every who's
going to sit down for a long form documentary like
all the time. It just just it's not practical with
having a job, you know, it's just not You're going

(57:12):
to see more news regularly, that's one thing you're going
to see. I am working on an starting to work
on an Angels and Demons piece. In twenty twenty six,
We're going to see a new long form segment to
address a problem in the UFO community that we've had
for a very f in long time. I'm calling this
segment a UFO Basics, and it could it could basically

(57:33):
take over Alien with constant for all I know. But
there's not been a good starting point for someone who's
getting into the topic. Like if you have a for example,
like I have a nephew who's fourteen and interested in
the topic, where do you tell them to start? Like
who do you believe? Like where do you go to
it's just incomprehensible. There's so many books, there's so many contradictions.

(57:53):
There needs to be like a content that's basic, that's simple,
that's written to an uninformed audience, maybe even a younger audience,
that just gets people interested. Obviously, you know you're not
gonna be able to take on the heavier topics, but
just building like a base one oh one class is
kind of what I want to do. So you're probably
going to be seeing that in twenty twenty six at

(58:14):
some point is a long form series of different videos
that address that.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Well. I'm excited about that.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I'm excited about any new videos from you, and particularly
something which sounds as interesting.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
As that is. Now I will have.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
It in the show notes so people can just whether
it's on YouTube, Facebook, x or wherever else people.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Listen to the show.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Sure, just for people who are just listening, where should
they go to get a hold of what you're ups are?

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Yeah, you should just go to Alien Wisconsin on YouTube.
I post everything there. I'm also on Facebook on Alien
wisconsonant If you want to leave comments or have questions,
you can message me, but those are the best ways
to get a hold of me. Alienwisco at gmail dot com.
I don't usually share that. I don't know I probably
should share it more, but at risco at gmail dot com.
If you want to come forward with a story and

(59:03):
you are in the Wisconsin area, I would love to
have you. I don't change people's names and I don't
hide their identity. So if you're coming forward, you got
to come forward with your face, and I will tell
your story with the utmost care and respect for you
as a person. So but I'm always looking for those
kind of people too well.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
I can assure people that you do all of the
work I've seen in yours is.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Super respectful and super understanding way.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
I don't think there's to be honest, I don't think
there's many people in the space who deal with witnesses
and experiences as well as you do.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
I try. I went to school for photojournalism, and I
mean I also try to have a heart too, because
it is hard to talk about these things in public.
You know, you and I are are becoming more comfortable
doing that, but it's still hard for a lot of people.
There is still a very real stigma that exists.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I agree, and I was going to get back to
asking you about see, but we might have run out
of time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
About that. Next time I have you on because I'm
going to bend your arm to come back, and the
not too. Just to future.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
I gotta see your five stories. That would be great.
I'll tell you by then.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
We're going to do it. Thank you so much for
coming on. Man, you're a great guest, as you always are.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Well, thank you very much, and thank you for your
audience is great. The great that you'all listen to me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Well, man, I hope to talk to you again sometime
in the very near future. And until then, and until
I talk to everybody else out there, which will be
the same weird time, which is nine pm Central Weird Network,
the Untold Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Please keep it weird.