Untold Radio #267 Infamous Minds of True Crime & High Strangeness

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shhh.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Tonight's guest is text Wust.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Looking back on the life that you leave him, then
resting home in the crowd, stick around through the crate
with feeding go the fire. You dancing around only hearing
the sound of treating, and no one cares where he's
coming from.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
My ears are still being feeding.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
I guess we are knew from the start.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
The days, my cos.

Speaker 6 (00:53):
You're one of these days will be the world. Look
at Lances.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Go it sas.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
He's on the test, my cos.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Cos leading the fuse of the ashes, the spirits that

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ef I having down the house.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
We're life from the Untold Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's Untold Radio AI.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
With Monster Quest producer host Doug Hicheck and co host
Jeff Pirella Jr. Untold Radio AM is going live right now.

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This show is for entertainment purposes only. Yep, that's the ticket.
Now Here are your Untold Radio AM hosts Doug Hicheck
and Jeff Corella Jr.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Hello everyone, Hello Ontolians.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Welcome to Sunday. Yeah, it's our first Sunday show.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
Jeff text me, isn't it weird?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Podcast?

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
That was weird doing the show prep today.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
On Sunday and I'm thinking, yeah, it's kind of weird.
This is what is Yeah, here we are, but it
looks like some people came.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Ye, good to see everybody.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Hello Slie Fuks, Hello, Loretta Poncho. Oh my god, even
butt worms are.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Believe it the one and only but yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
The one and only but worm it's but wormy. Now
I've changed it.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well no, actually, I see people mentioning this. I noticed
this the other day. YouTube changed how they show your name,
so it's going to show your actual ID, not the
name that you chose. I don't know if that's permanent
or not, but that's something YouTube's doing. So I see
people are puzzled by that. I was the first time

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I saw it. That's what's going on, if that makes sense.
Oh oh okay, anyhow, anyhow, not for that crap.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
Everybody still has. They're still anonymous, right, Yeah, it's not
their real name, right that they want it to be. Yeah,
so feel free to swear that Jeff would be fun. Okay,
So we just top fifteen thousand subscribers.

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Speaker 5 (05:14):
All right, moving on, So tonight we are going to
definitely step into a kind of a shadowy place we
don't normally step, where true crime meets true fear. So
our guest is Texts Wesson, who's going to brand new
book out called I'm waiting for you to tell us

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what it's called.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
You know what. I got the cover for it right here, give.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Me one, I mean, put it up.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Hold on, man, there we go. Influenced minds of true
crime book one.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Yes, book one. So he's going to have more, all right,
but well we'll cover all sorts of stuff, and then
of course we are going to cover where all these
things kind of criss cross.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
You know, he's a great guest. Looking forward to talking
to text again.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Oh let's see here, what else are we going to do?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Flip picks got some weird and fast news. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Remember the last time I couldn't I couldn't get through it.
I was just I was laughing so hard because of
the AI pictures, the tongue sticking out obviously, how did
that go unnoticed? Did they got in the notes? Never noticed?
And then when the dog had two tongues?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Oh my god, that was crazy.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Anyhow, And today y'vet baked a crock pot full of
like the most amazing chili ever, simmering all day. And
then I had a bowl here recently with the cheese,
and and then I had another bowl, and I I
feel like burbing and I'm drinking a roopier on top

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of that chili.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's gonna get out of it.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
It's gonna get ugly, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
The cough button's there for a reason.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
It's gonna be the burp button. Oh my god, excuse me.
So anyhow, turn the lights down low, grab a blanket,
grab some chili, grab a beverage, and kind of relax
because Sunday night's kind of a different feel, right, Yeah,
it's more of that, you know, I don't know. For

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people who are retired, it's I think a day of
kind of excitement because then Monday's happening. Stores are open again,
you know what I mean. It's like you can do
things again. But for people that have to work on Monday,
it's more of a kind of enjoy the weekend as.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Much as you can. Yeah, I need to get up
at six tomorrow. Now I have to get and I'm
not a morning person at all, and now I got
to get up at six every morning to get to
work on.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah, because you got to do all that, you know,
you got to get ready and you gotta drive and
thick traffic.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, I got a little bit of a commute, little
lunch ready it's uh, it's a little different morning. Morning
roads are ugly. Yeah, all right, so what do we
got here? Let's go ahead.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
Oh I was gonna mention, did you just I mean literally?
And this could affect you tomorrow. A semi truck turned
over on the freeway and two thousand, literally two over
two thousand pounds of hair that was meant to be
used for wigs. It's dumped out all over the road

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and that could block traffic for you tomorrow. But I
wouldn't worry about it. Police are combing the.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Scene, combing the area. Yeah, they're combing the area. You
should be okay, yeah, big comb.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Oh god, here I go again. All right, let's get
our weird let's get through our weird and fast news.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Weird and fastes. All right, here we go.

Speaker 7 (09:08):
It's time for weird and fast knees.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
All right.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Our first story is kind of creepy, is really creepy.
So they have developed a technology that mimics skin, even
the right way. It reacts in the sun. It even
gets sunburn. And of course one of the first products
that they're going to produce is a phone case for

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your smartphone. So a British researcher teamed up with major
telecon brand Virgin Media to develop a silicon phone case
called the Skin Case, designed to mimic human skin and texture, tone,
and even sunburn response. Apparently, the case uses you've reactive

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pigments and detailed sculpting to recreate the appearance of real
skin wrinkles, texture, and la la, la, la la.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
So there you go, Jeff, I guess the point is
to give you a warning when you're getting too much UV.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean it looks like he's holding a ham.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
Of course, just creepy wor it's just creepy, creepy anyhow, Next,
moving on, moving on, Apparently they've discovered a new ice
that stays solid at room temperature. Now, of all the discoveries,
you wouldn't You wouldn't think in this day and age,

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they're discovering new.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Types of ice, would you? I would think so. You
wouldn't think so.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
But scientists using the world's largest X ray laser and
diamond anvil cells squeezed water under extreme pressure. That's a
new idea, and discovered a new phase of ice they
call ice twenty one. Apparently, it remains solid in normal

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room temperatures.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's bizarre.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
So what I'm like, Okay, you'll have to research that yourself.
Weird and fast, right, very very weird, very fast. Next,
a forty four minute pulsing object has now been found
in the Milky Way, and apparently astronomers have discovered a

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mysterious object located about fifteen thousand light years from Earth.
So that's that's relatively close, right, you could drive there
with your your wagon to Yeah, fifteen thousand light years,
that's nothing. Apparently it's fifteen thousand light years from Earth

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in the Milky Way, and it's crowded inner region if
you could call space crowded. Yes, Apparently this object cycles
by emanating powerful X rays and radio waves every forty
four minutes during periods of heightened activity, a pattern never

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seen before. So they're operating the Chandra X ray Observatory
and using this to observe this strange object. Weird, it's
it's the universe's alarm clock. Maybe it's pretty cool, you think, so, yeah, okay,

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what else could it be. It's got to be some
kind of like man made or do you think it's
like old geyser.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
No, it's probably due to the rotation. The way that
happens is it it rotates, and it's going to send
out that signal every time it's whining at us. You
would cause it stuff like that, but the.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Picture shows it pointing straight up and down.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Well maybe it's spinning up and down. I don't know.
I don't know. I'm not everything spins in the same plane.
But there you go.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
I didn't mention anything about spinning. But yeah, you're probably right.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, it's most likely what's causing it. All right.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Next, Oh boy, something everybody needs. A new spoon has
been developed and debuted at the GES Show in Vegas
that can trick your tongue into thinking your food is
salty when it doesn't have any salt. Oh that's cool, sure,
just what we need. Apparently, at GES twenty twenty five

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techt Show attendees, we're both amazed and baffled by the
odd gadgets, things like a robotic free bad companion that
mimics a baby like behavior, a salt trick spoon, which
is what we're talking about now, that uses a weak
electrical current to make food taste salty or saltier.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's pretty cool. If you can't handle, you know, look
to lower the sodium in your system, kind of tricking
yourself that it's salty. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, that's a that's amazing, Jeff, I want to go
getting Christmas ideas. Next? Do we have a a very
interesting shape shifting electronic ink has been developed and researchers
at Koreas I think it's pronounced case. We have developed

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a futuristic electronic ink made of microparticles of gallium metal
embedded in polymer and a polymer matrix so when it's
uh cooler, it's rigid and then goes to soft states
when heated sopration. It's a printed wearable health monitors and

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brain implanted devices that when the material warmed to near
body temperature, becomes more flexible over fourteen one hundred times softer,
allowing the device to conform to skin or organs. So
there you go and then stirred it. Oh yeah, there
you go. There's a big future in wearable tech. I

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think that's going to be a hot thing. Oh I
think so have you seen the T shirts and the
shirts and hands that are like TV monitors?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
That's it. That's all you got to say about where.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, I'm getting ready cool. It is pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Okay, awesome weird fact I think. I think that's it
for the news.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
That's it. Yeah. Is it time for the weird fact
of the week. Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 8 (15:55):
Okay, it's now time for untold radio weird fact of
the week.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
That is kind of weird.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
You know what bumpers are for. They're so you can
take a sippy or ripier. That's what they're for and
bur huh and burp and purp things like that. Okay,
up first or only the only thing we're going to
do in our weird and creepy or weird It's not
get all mixed up. It's a weird fact of the week.

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So apparently. The bird known is the hoatson because it
literally smells like manure spurred stinks. It's found in the
Amazon and the or Noco River basin. It has two
very strange traits. First, hatch lanes are born with clad wings,

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so they can climb trees right away okay before they
can fly. And the adults this is what makes them stink.
The alt digest leaves by a cow style fermentation process
in their gut, which gives off a very strong foul order.
I see order odor, order, order and odor. This bird

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is like walking like a walking times capsule of evolutionary oddities.
It's part bird, part dinosaur, part cow. There you go,
and notice no tongue in.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Our tongue and only and only two legs, not three legs.
We had a three leg bat last time. I remember.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Yeah, that's really a nice that's a nice creator. I
created that to.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Me animal, they're really they are. They're very primitive, they're
it's unique.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
I didn't create that picture anyhow. And then we have
let me know, Oh I think Texas here isn't he?

Speaker 2 (18:01):
He was text you there and you got set up
and stepped away.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
Oh okay, Yeah, let's do I've got just a very short,
creepy trivia that we can do, okay, and we can
have a couple of audience members. It's not a contest,
not a contest. It's like there's no prize, but somebody
I'll probably send something no.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Charge to for no reason whatsoever because it's not a contest. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
The only difference is I won't be charging you, right,
that's the only difference. So if we want to get
a couple of volunteers, all.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Right, so it's trying to get somebody hasn't played before.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Yeah, play, don't volunteer, all right, let's.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Let's do this.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
It's now time for Untold Radio a m audience trivia.
Who wants to play?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
All right? Waiting for a couple of people to check
in here who.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Want Thank you very much. Kenny Hass just gifted five
untold Radio awesome, thank you so much, super appreciated. And
that's awful nice And I don't know who you gifted
them to, but.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Somebody's going to be happy, all right, So Lee wants
to play, all right, someone else?

Speaker 5 (19:33):
And did everybody get that last thing to you? From
the last did they get you their their address?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah? Makes he didn't win not a gift because it
wasn't a contest, and she did receive the thing that
doesn't exist? Gotcha? She confirmed that she got something that
did didn't exist.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Well, good, I'm glad it's going to be on just
it's just kind of like Halloween Trivia on Haunted Places.
It's only ten questions, so it's not long. Yeah. Yeah,
it means he says, I got my not.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
A prize, not a price.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
It is not it's not a prize.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
For absolutely no reason. What's no reason?

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Just because we just wanted to all.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Right, and Joanne's gonna play cool to that, Lee and
Joanne awesome, And you're keeping score. I can sure we
will do I'll try to help you.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
But all right, it's only ten questions, all.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Right, all right?

Speaker 5 (20:42):
Number one The Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, Colorado.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
All right, And.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
So the question is which famous author was inspired to
write this shining after staying there?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (20:58):
Dean Coons, Stephen King, Annie Rice? So you got three
possible choices, Dean, Stephen King, or Annie Rice for the shining.
And I'll let you keep track.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Jeff, Yeah, he's getting my music started here. He'll be
a music all right. Looks like they both got it
so well, somebody got it first? Who got it first?
Looks like leech, I've been first.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
They both got it right, they both got it right,
but who got it first?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Okay, so we got to give that to Lan all right.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
If we need a tiebreaker, we'll come up with something
the next The Queen Mary in Long Beach, California.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
This is the topic.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
This retired ocean liner is known for ghostly footsteps and
echoes of sailors. What was her original purpose? Was the
Queen Mary a cruise ship, a military troop transport or
a research vessel?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
TikTok, TikTok. The guests first, by the way, my dad
was on that. Absolutely queen married, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Was it was a Queen Mary, a cruise ship, a
military troop transport and research.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Lee got in for They both said cruise ship. Actually, well, well,
who's two got a firste came in first with cruise
ship and then Joanne came in with military and you're
they're both right, and the technically both right. It was
a cruise ship first and that was converted to a

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military ship for Robert once.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
My dad went road on the Queen Mary to get
to Germany. Ye. World War two. Okay, so who's getting
the credit?

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Well, he came in first, and it was a cruise
ship first. Even though even though they're both technically right.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Both doing really good. The next question concerning the Eastern
State Penitentiary Penitentiary in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Uh, it's a say inmate, inmate,
I can't talk tonight. Inmates reported eerie whispers from the
walls who once served time. There was an el capone

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machine gun Kelly or John Dellinger and the Eastern State Penitentiary.
And that's where eerie whispers and steps are heard to
this day. El Capone machine gun, Hillier, John Dillinger.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Dillinger, What does Joanne say? Kim in first with and
Joanna's right. So Joanna's on the board, she got it first,
that she was right? All right? I stayed there, nice shot,
all right?

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Question for uh. The Myrtle's Plantation in Saint Francisville, Louisiana
is said to be built over an ancient burial ground.
Would you turn that dang music down too loud? Sure
it's a little loud, that's what's maybe there.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I couldn't hear it.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
That's okay, that's good, all right. The Myrtle's Plantation in
Saint Francisville, Louisiana is said to be built over an
ancient burial ground. This site is haunted by what is
it a headless soldier, a servant named named Chloe, or
a weeping bride, A headle of soldier, a servant named Chloe,

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or a weeping bride which one.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Let's see here, Lee said bride. What does does Joanne say?

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Is Joanne? What does Joanne say, that's some really good
answers coming out of our audience.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Joy is Chloe and Joanne is right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Two? Two good job? Guys are both doing good? All right.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
Number five The Winchester Mystery House in San Jose, California. Okay,
that's what the question is about. What bizarre feature can
be found inside this haunted mansion. Is it a staircase
leading to nowhere, a door opening into a wall? Or
is it both a and b? Is it both a

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stairway leading to nowhere a door opening into a wall?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Or is it both A and B? Joanne said stairs
to check promises both, and Lie said both, and Lee
is correct, it is both. So that puts Lee in

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the lead three to three to two. So Joanne was
technically right, but Lee was more right. All right, all right,
cool house. I've seen lots of I've seen documentary on it.
It's pretty wild, all right.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
The next is the Waverly Hill Sanatorium in Lewisville, Kentucky.
Originally built as a hospital for what disease? Cholera tuberculosis
or the Spanish flu? Cholera tuberculosis or the Spanish flu?
Which one was? It built four.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
S Joanne said TV. At least said TV. It looks
like Lee. They got it oot the same right about
the same time though. Okay, they're both right. We'll call
that a drop. I'm the same time, all right, We'll
just give me each one. Ye all right, Yeah, they

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come in right just same time. Uh, okay.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Number seven Saint Augustin Lighthouse in Saint Augustine, Florida, which
is obviously I believe it's the oldest city in Florida.
Visitors claim to hear laughter of who a pair of
young girls, a lost sailor or the lighthouse keeper's ghost.

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So is it a pair of young girls, a lost
sailor or the lighthouse keeper's ghost? And Saint Augustine Whitehouse?
What the visitors claim to hear?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
All right, Lee came in girls and joined said young girls.
They are both right, but Lee came in first. Okay,
next question number eight.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
We have only ten questions. The Bell Cave in Adams, Tennessee. Okay,
here we go, legend says the witch This witch tormented
which historical figures family? Was it Andrew Jackson, Davy Crockett,
or Daniel Boone. The Bell Witch Cave legend says this

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witch tormented which historical figures family Andrew Jackson, Davy Crockett
or Daniel.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Boone sol he said boom, it's Joanne say Andrew Jackson,
and Joanne is right Andrew Jackson. So at one point
for Joanne, okay, where does that put them? We are?
Lee is up four to three, so two questions left

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could go either way.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
So Lee's up one question correct.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
But there's two lefts So all right. The Wison Hotel,
no pressure is not a contest, no pressure whatsoever?

Speaker 5 (30:04):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
The Crescent Hotel in Eureka Springs, Arkansas, once called America's
most haunted hotel. What was it before becoming a hotel?
Was it a girls school, a cancer hospital, or a
boarding house? The Crescent Hotel? What was it a girls school,

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a cancer hospital, or a boarding house? So it's AB's
or c there're Joseph's Hospital, Joanne's aid Hospital, and I.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Think there it is a hospital, but Joanne came in first,
so now it is. Yeah, you're right. So whoever gets
the next one doesn't win anything.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Because I don't win anything. Something might get sent and
on charge, but you don't win it win. It's just
you just get it because why.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
This Because Doug's a nice guy, no other reason.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Gener That's it, all right. Gettysburg is the last question.
Gettysburg Battlefield in Pennsylvania. Many visitors report phantom soldiers, and
that really is a thing.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Man.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
I've talked to so many people that have seen these
phantom soldiers still fighting the Civil War. What year was
the battle fought? Eighteen sixty one, eighteen sixty three or
eighteen sixty five, eighteen sixty one, eighteen sixty three or
eighteen sixty five, aybe or c.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Some of my bucket list is to see that I've
never been there.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
I haven't either. I've been so close. I just never
had time.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
So Lee said sixty three and joins sixty one. And
Lee is correct and doesn't win even though she has
more points. No, she didn't win anything. So Lee, if
you could please send me your your MAILIA. I need

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your name and mailing address. I just I just put
up the address my email up on the screen here.
Jeff p at Untold Radio AM dot com.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
So yeah, Lee, I think those guys are so close.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Get them both. We'll send them both. Okay. So yep,
you're the boss man. Whatever you want to do. Yeah,
it's not a price. Guys, both not prooves.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
Please please, that proves it's not a contest.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, just email me your information and one we'll get
that out. Because you didn't win anything, nothing, and I
think what we think.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
All you guys don't want to already have it. I
will send you both a big foot museum.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, pretty cool, little model.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
It's neat you can put up on your shelf.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Okay, so much joint says that was so much fun
because I didn't think it was a contest.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Right, that's exactly why.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
All right, it's not for tament at all.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
No, okay, let's do our clips and we're gonna bring
on texts. All right, we'll zip through these bad boys.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
All right. Let me turn my music off, get this
off the screen, leave.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
At music going, Just leave it going, Jeff, I think
we just leave it going the whole time.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
You really want to go on?

Speaker 5 (33:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Please, I don't think so. All right, so it is
time for where is my button? Where is my button? Time?
Four clips? I'm here, there, you are.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
There, I am I do just to make you mad.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, you gotta look at my giant head.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Okay, Clip one sounds good something's uh really round. I

(34:29):
don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Just hear me. Yeah, yes, the clip.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
You need to introduce the clip. You did, didn't let
me introduce the clip.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I'm sorry. I got to introduce it in it.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
Oh I will, but you you played it? Okay, something's
really wrong here in this clip.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Some people spot it right away and some people don't.
But I want you to carefully tell us in the
chat what you see that's wrong. I mean, something's really
really wrong here. You didn't notice anything, did you death?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Oh you did, Okay I did. I don't know if
other people did.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I'm not going to say what it is.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Okay, Well that's good. Well yeah, you're a cheater anyhow,
go ahead and play it now. The first person, Oh okay,
somebody already did it. Most people are so focused on
him they're not noticing other people.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Are watching bad. Okay, that's good, we got it.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
So the first person that mentioned it was squatch Mama.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, looks like he was walking backwards and then played
it back in reverse. Yeah, of course, okay, pretty clever,
fun little trick.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
That was clever.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Clip two. The sound is good and the question is
would you do this.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
There's so much trust here between this man and this
gorilla that this gorilla could just grab his hand and
just I mean, you could just fill him instillly. You
can't mind it.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
A wild ere it's a big gorilla. Yeah, what would
you do that his gorilla as he was. That's amazing.
That's good. Okay.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Clip three sound is good. This is the largest snake
I've ever seen. It's twenty two foot long. It's a
reticulated lady.

Speaker 9 (36:58):
Is so long, dovey stem up with Oh my gosh,
it's two hundred and thirty pounds and it was like a.

Speaker 10 (37:04):
What that c who is that?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
That's a beautiful.

Speaker 11 (37:09):
Glim one of the large snicks here echo legacy of wham.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
There you go, Jeff, just what you need? No thanks,
get you a little bit quarium.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
Clip four sound is good. So this is in South America.
There's a hole below a river and basically an underwater
tornado just keeps on spinning.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
There you go. That's really cool.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
It is cool. It's like makes clean water. Clip five
sound is good. Here's my definition of focus.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
This is Jeff. He's working on cluck all right.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
That's that's the look you get when you're.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Working on clips hyper focused, hyper focus. You've got a
lot going on here. Man complaining, it's got a lot
going on.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Clip sick sex until they say sick clip sick sex.
There's an any audio. A man captured this from his
backyard using a telescope and a double stacked hydrogen alpha
uh edalon filter. This says, apparently, this wall of fire

(39:00):
is five earths high and twenty five earths wide, and
this was captured by a guy named Mike Fitzgerald in
his backyard.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Pretty cool, that's great. That's a great shot.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
This is the surface of the sun. It is that
crazy that somebody can film that from the backyard.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, the Texas is amazing for that, and it's gotten
so much cheaper. Anybody can do. Anybody with patience, yeah,
and do some amazing stuff.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
All right, And then clips seven. The sound is good,
the sound sacks are smung. Yeah, just yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
We're getting the next clip ready, man, oh my.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Goodness of.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
All right?

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Sound is okay. So skeptics, you guys think the big
boot is too weird to exist. Watch Oh no, no, no, no,
no one ANIMI clip This is just cool because this
spider monkey is just so chill. The way he walks
in the beach, climbs up on this ship just like

(40:28):
a kind of a mature adult person.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
It's just so chill. That is cool.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
I've known people that I've known people that have owned
spider monkeys, and that tail is so prehensile that the
last person I talked to that had a couple of
spider monkeys said they were ripping the ceramic tiles off
the bathroom wall with their tail. They could grip the
tile and just tear it out with their tail.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Is that crazy? Yeah, you have to neat animal. Yeah,
the leracle all right?

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Uh, the next one I was introducing and sound is good.
So if you think Bigfoot's weird, just I mean, look
at this creature. Would you imagine if it was twelve
foot wide and up.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
On the landed it could be terrifying?

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Yeah, clip ten audios.

Speaker 12 (41:37):
Good.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Have you ever heard of a colugo?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
No? I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Well, it's a its own category of animal.

Speaker 8 (41:47):
This lemur like creature is actually a colugo, a real
life flying mammal that isn't a bat or a lemur.
Found in Southeast Asia. This animal glides through the forest
for up to two hundred feet you using a stretchy
membrane of skin that connects its limbs and tail like
a living parachute. Coligoes are masters of silent flight, feeding

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mostly on leaves, shoots, and flowers. Their large eyes give
them perfect night vision, and mothers even carry their babies
while gliding from tree to tree.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
That's cool, man, I didn't know what I didn't know
about that one.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
No, and the comment. I think we should give a
prize away each show for the coolest wittiest comment.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
That could be hard to judge.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
And flat Rockland came up with the best one because
the animal is not a contest either.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Not a contest, so he doesn't get a price. No,
doesn't get a price.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Oh let's see, I lost my play clip eleven. Go
ahead and pronounce this clepto plastic lypto.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Have you ever heard of that? Of not? This is
really a cool creature.

Speaker 8 (43:02):
This creature can photosynthesize a plant. Meet the leaf sheep.
This tiny sea slug looks like a cartoon sheep but
lives underwater grazing on algae. What makes it special It
can photosynthesize like a plant by stealing chloroplasts from the
algae it eats, it turns sunlight into energy, a process

(43:24):
called kleptoplasty.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Where'd you go? That's really cool.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
I'm here it's the leaf sheep. Yeah, all right, where
are we at? Where we at clip twelve? Well, sound
is good? What lies beneath yellow Stone? Okay, here's where
to see. That's Yellowstone. That represents the entire park. Now
go ahead and they're gonna pan out that so much
lava is below yellow Stone National Park. Wow, that's what's

(43:58):
waiting to if.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
It will at some point. Yeah, it gives you an
idea of the volume worse.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
Vet said to me. She looked at that, and she goes.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
We're screwed. Yeah, at some point, that's at some point
that's going to go.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
She goes, That's why I don't want to go to Yellowstone.
I'm like, yeah, makes sense.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah. Somebody died? Did somebody die there recently? Somebody? I
think somebody fell in one of the hot steam Uh
well yeah, somebody fell in and died rather unpleasantly. Oh
let's see here.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
Oh yeah, this one is good humor because I like humor.
That could happen to anybody. Just go ahead and watch us.

(45:01):
That's good, No, that could happen. I could see that happening.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I got dive bomb once by a berry, but I
didn't like it.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Could you imagine that? Oh my god, that was great? Okay,
this one is kind of interesting. Just ha none, let
me explain. So okay, you gotta leave a comment on this,
either in the comments or in the chat.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
This is an experiment to determine whether your left brain
or right brain. So if you see a pink and
white shoe, you're either right or left, or he'll tell you.
And or a gray and mint shoe. Gee, I just burped.
Did you hear that?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
This is going to blow your mind?

Speaker 7 (45:59):
What colors do you see in this shoe? Pink and white?
Are gray green? Right brain people they actually see gray green.
Left brain people they see pink and white. It's driving
me crazy. What colors do you see? I see pink
and white? Do you see gray green? Let me know
when the comments?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
So what do you see? Jeff? I see gray green?

Speaker 5 (46:22):
I do too, So a lame legos pink and white.
Loretto says, pink and white. That's so interesting. Yeah, I
couldn't imagine that ever being pink and white.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, it's definitely gray green.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
But it does work. The experiment does work, so now
you know, I'm right, brain. It looks like some of
you guys out there's some of you gals out there
are left plan brain. It's interesting. All right, clip. We
got to clip the fifteen. Then I couldn't get fifteen
to work. Clip the clip, Skip the clip sixteen please right.

(47:00):
So the sound is good. I just would freak out.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Look at this.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
This is five hundred pounds of leaping love watch this,
could you imagine?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, lion affectionate.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Yeah, yeah, except buddy of my got eaten by his line.

Speaker 13 (47:27):
I'm not kidding yet he did that.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be around one like
that that.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
They can kind of just turn on you. Okay, this
next one is really interesting. I sent it to David
Ellis because I have never heard or seen this kind
of behavior. Go ahead and play it. The sound is good.
Coyotes hum.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
I'm pretty sure that the skin Walker.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Anyhow, I've never I mean, I'm you know, I can
hear it in my headphones.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I can feel the vibration. It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
I didn't know Cody's gonna make such a sound. Number
eighteen sounds good on this one. This one comes from
Rocky Mountains Sasquatch organization, And this is really interesting. This was,
you know, I think it's real. I just don't know

(48:44):
what it was. Certainly it runs through my head. Was
filmed in Africa somewhere, but it's definitely seemed like it's real.
It's past all of my normal red flag test.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
But he didn't even notice it. Another person on snapchat
pointed it out and slowed it down a little bit
for her. How the heck does something leap down from
a tree at breakneck speed and not break both legs
or other body parts when it hits the ground. This creature, bigfoot,
if you will, or maybe an escaped giant monkey that

(49:18):
is so intent at hiding because it does not want
to go back to the zoo uses controlled descents. Let
me show you. I'll take you through the zoomed frames
of interest. Then I'll enlarge the video and slow it
down for you.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
This is where the creature had leaped.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
From the tree from higher up and it first grabs
a hold of the tree. I'm talking about controlled descent.
It is propelling itself towards the ground by grabbing branches
or the trunk or the tree, and it's also controlling
its descent. It's not going to sustain an injury when it.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Gets to the ground.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
May have also landed on.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Okay, So if you want more information that clip, go
to Rocky Mountain Sasquatch Organization. You can study it all
you want. But I found it interesting. So yes, definitely
there's an ape or something that looks like an ape.
I don't only could be a guy in a suit
leaping up from a tree. Just wow, your normal thing
to do in a suit, right, yep, So I found

(50:20):
it interesting, but you're gonna have to decide all on
your own.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
Clip nineteen sound as good. This is an amazing color
of meltwater up in Antarctica or down in Antarctica. It's
just absolutely phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
The color.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
Isn't that beautiful?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
It's amazing.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
I was in Austria. The only time I've seen, you know,
water that kind of color was in Austria, and some
of the mountain rain water that was coming down off
the mountains, some of the streams were kind of that blue.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
It was beautiful. I went through an ice cave in Austria.
It was really neat an ice cave. Yeah, it's an
ice cave. It's outside of Saltzburg from Cool in the Alps.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
I went to Saltzburg. I just stayed there one day,
but I didn't do any exploring. Yeah, it's kind of
on that as I remember. It's kind of on the
border of Switzerland.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, on the edge of the Alps. So yeah, that's right.
You can go up into the mountains.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
That was in a hurry to get to Switzerland, and
it was there for a few days.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
It was great. Blew that off all right? Last one
one more ready.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Last one clipped twenty sound as good. This is another
unexplained artifact or a natural formation found on Mars. Because
the really the shadows say it all so good and
play it is.

Speaker 10 (52:04):
Rip bone general.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Weird, another Mars mystery to me. It looks like sedimentary
rock that was eroded by sure.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Yeah, but those are sticking out quite I mean we'll
see by the shadows they're quite.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Tall, yeah, or horizontal.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
I mean they're protruding quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Well, it's heedimentary, so yeah, maybe something in just different
density was laid in there. Who knows.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
It's pretty well, come on, just let me have my
fantasy death dinosaur that died there.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
And an it's an ancient Mars dinosaur.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Yes, you're right, thank you, gosh. Okay, and you want
to look that up. That was on mission. It was
soul three seven eight six two three or two o
two three oh four oh one.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
There you go, Eric, Eric might agree with me. But Eric,
you're wrong. It's a dinosaur. Yes, you're wrong. You're wrong.
Eric was wrong. It's always science, sir.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
It's always a dinosaur.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Always or bigfoot. Okay.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
Text Wesson text X is a we're gonna do our
disclaimer and then you want me to introduce them. Are
you're not doing the disclaimer? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Let's disclaim.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
See that's Jeff's way of distancing himself from my dinosaur rib.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
We have officially disclaimed and it's not a contest. It's
not a contest.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
So text Wesson is a veteran cryptid investigator host of
the YouTube Texas Front Porch, where he documents up closed
field work into creatures such as dog Man Bigfoot, drawing
in decades of research and multiple claimed encounters across the US.
He's also featured in the documentary dog Man Triangle and

(54:17):
has been a guest on major paranormal platforms, including Coast
to Coast am his new book. By the way, it's
kind of divergent. It's called Infamous Minds of True Crime,
so it's a bit of a shift for text. So
it's why I'm curious. That's why we've got him on.
We want to see what inspired this book and how

(54:39):
this might all tie into his interest in Bigfoot and
dog Man.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
All right, welcome text, here we come on. There we go.
Hiy texts, Hey folks, are you doing? See you? Hey? Text?
I agree with you?

Speaker 10 (54:54):
Doug Dinosaur All, yeah, sure, why not, It's what I want,
that's all. What What what got me though, is y'all,
y'all are y'all are going through all these clips and everything,
and and you're breezing through this.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
You got you got a line hugging a.

Speaker 10 (55:13):
Guy and just in passing, just in passing, And Jeff,
I'm disappointed in you, just in passing. Doug says, oh yeah,
buddy of mine got eaten by his line, and y'all
just went right over it.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
We got to talk about this, let's hear more about it. Well,
to be fair, I've spent a lot of time with
Doug and the story that he's told me. So you
you make a fair point, but I've heard some pretty
crazy story.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Oh tell you to tell you what happened real quick.
We were filming a projector commercial for a projector and
the idea was to have this lion leap out of
the screen onto a conference table, right, so you get
the scene.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Well, in order to do.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
That, you can't you can't have the actors there that
the you know, we had to film the scene of
the people at the table and then film the lion
leaping onto the screen separately. And we had to have
the lion chained because you gotta to deal with all
these ordinances, and so the lion we had to paint
the chain green so we could knock it out and

(56:27):
roll to scope it out of there. Okay, and that's
all good. But the trainer, who I knew, he kept saying, well,
if if if something goes wrong, just get the hell
out of the room. If the line starts like knocking
all your lights down and just like going crazy. Okay, great,

(56:48):
so kind of let me know. Maybe this lion had
kind of a wild side. And I thought to myself, God, Bill,
I hope you don't get eaten. It wasn't even a
maybe twelve months later he went in to clean the pen.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
And the line got him and ate him. Yeah, just yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Yeah, that's the second friend that has been eaten by
a big cat that I've.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
You know known. Uh.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Steve Mischold's wife Cindy got eaten by her Tiger two
at the Big Cat Reserve, and I just, you know,
I go there. I like to spend time with these
big cats and stuff, but I'm always just like, I
couldn't imagine doing this every day. I was filming a
cougar once text and it I was filming it and

(57:41):
laying down. I'm just trying to get a natural shot
of it eating for some documentary I was working on,
probably Monster Quest, and the cougar decided it was going
to leap at me. It leaped at me and broke
its chain. So it broke its chain and leaped literally
over the top of me, and I got this most

(58:02):
incredible shot. But then the then the the big cat
turned to attack me, and right before that happened, the
owner got this cat under control and got all they
actually got all scratched up out of it. So I
mean it's just not fun anyhow.

Speaker 10 (58:21):
Sorry, what is what is the old saying that that
actors always there's two things that you want to avoid,
and it's children and animals.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Yes, exactly exactly. But it's been a crazy ride.

Speaker 10 (58:38):
That's I mean, it's don't don't get me wrong, it's sad,
but you know it's it's just it's like with going
out in the field and do this investigation and stuff.
You know, well, you kind of know what you signed
up for, you know the rip, you know.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Yeah, Well, I used to have this guy that I
would hang out with and he was great because he
had all these animals. He had, you know, snow leopards.
I needed a snow leopard. Call Steve up, go up
there and meet him. Load the snow leopards in the truck,
and away we're going.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I need to get.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
A scene of snow leopards. I was working on a
snow documentary and I needed footage of a snow leopard
or leopards leaping over a stream for the doc I
wanted this spectacular. But you know, I'm probably the one
of the weirdest people. I can just like, oh, I
know the call. It's like, call him up, Well, we

(59:39):
just go out and do it. And he doesn't give
me any warning. He just releases the leopards, you know,
And I know, damn well, I just had bacon for breakfast,
you know, and I probably got bacon grease on my
shirt and I had these leopards are just sniffing all
over you and stuff and taking up at Anyhow, we

(01:00:00):
got our shot. That's an absolutely beautiful shot of these
snow leopards.

Speaker 10 (01:00:07):
You know, they're they're so they're such majestic creatures.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Oh yeah, beautiful, But it's scary being you know, when
you're ill with them and there's no there's no protection.

Speaker 10 (01:00:18):
Well, I got me and a buddy mine cornered a
bobcat one time. And you know they only you know,
weigh forty pounds or so. But I gotta tell you
that's forty bound. That's forty pounds of he o bad cat,

(01:00:38):
I mean, you know, and we we had to kill
it because I mean, it was gonna We were walking
down a we were just out hiking and we were
walking down an old creek bed and we went around
a corner and it was it was boxed in, is

(01:00:59):
what it was. There was a waterfall and was boxing
on three sides, and it was drinking out of the
pool by the water underneath the waterfall, and there wasn't
but one way out and that was through us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:01:13):
And unfortunately, because you can't turn you back on right,
you can't run because you automatically become prey.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
Oh, they can just turn you into a ribbons.

Speaker 10 (01:01:25):
So unfortunately we had to kill it, you know, because
we kept backing up and it kept We tried backing
up out of there, but it just kept approaching this
and approach. It wouldn't give up. So unfortunately we had
to kill it. And I hated it. But you know,
but yeah, wild and I say wild animals, but even

(01:01:45):
domesticated animals, you know, you really have to watch.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
Yeah, it's you know, it's just probably the scariest thing
in my life that ever happened to me. This is
a true story with a wild I shouldn't say wild,
somewhat domesticated, but not really was. Uh. One day I
needed wolverines, so I called my buddy and of course,

(01:02:11):
do you have wolverines? He's god, yeah, I got two
of them. And I'm like, are you crazy, and he goes,
oh yeah, I said, can you handle them? He goes, well, yeah,
I'm sort of I mean, they kind of handle you,
but yeah, yeah, yeah. So I go up there. It's
a really cold day and I need to get this
footage and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
God dang, he did it again.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
He just released these damn to wolverines and one of
them immediately just shoved his nose into my crotch.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
And did this.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
You know, he just kept doing this and he's just
buried his NB. He's really hitting it hard up my
crotch and he's just sucking, growling and sucking air and
blowing air out. And I'm like, Steve, am I gonna
lose my junk, and he goes, I wouldn't move. He goes,
he's just trying to get a handle on your scent

(01:03:03):
because wolverines are very myopic. They can't see well. And
he goes, he might do it later after, you know,
if we keep working with him and we do it.
I'm like, oh god, that was the scariest thing ever
to have a wolverine snorting on your your yeah junk.

Speaker 10 (01:03:21):
Yeah yeah, because it wouldn't take much for him to
change you to a rooster to a hen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Oh boy, that wouldn't be much.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
And anyhow, that was That was a bad day, and
that was the day I got I did get to
end up getting pretty seriously injured that day, but I
got my shot. That's what That's what counts. Anyhow, back,
all right, that's enough of this. We could talk just
on me and text talk is just like, there's so
many crazy things we could talk about. How in the

(01:03:52):
hell did you get this idea to write this book
because I didn't even know you were interested in true crime?

Speaker 10 (01:03:58):
Well, actually, that that's uh, I'm actually it's kind of
It's been a passion for mine for years, and what
I've always been interested in is the the psychological portion
of it. I could care less about, you know, all

(01:04:20):
the you know, gory details, and I really don't talk
about that part of it unless it's pertinent, you know,
to to it. Because when we talk about people being
brutal and people being ruthless, it's really the movies you

(01:04:44):
see Hannibal and all this kind of stuff, Dexter and
whatever you want, whatever movie you want to point to,
it's really doesn't It doesn't hold a candle to what
these people have done to other folks in real life.
And the psychological aspect behind that is fascinating to me

(01:05:08):
because you can't I can't fathom people having or somebody
having no more empathy than somebody does when they're cleaning,
when I have when I've cleaned an animal that I've killed, you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Know, Yeah you're a walleye or a fish. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:05:29):
And but these these psychopaths or sociopaths, And then there's
there's a big argument too, between the difference of a
sociopath and a psychopath. Some people are saying, now there
is no difference. Some people say that there's just subtle differences.
But either way, they have no empathy and they can compartmentalize, like,

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you know, it's no tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
But what about somebody that they okay, a serial killer?
What what's somebody they love? Are they compassionate towards just
certain people? Because I was watching a mob a show
on Netflix about the mob out in Boston, and there
was a guy who was literally talking about how you know,

(01:06:17):
he basically did away with people, you know, on a
weekly basis, right, but he ended up losing his brother,
and he was crying about the loss of his brother,
not thinking about all the other people that had lost
their brother because of him, Right, And that's just I
don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Is that normal not normal? Just not get it.

Speaker 10 (01:06:43):
Well what we paint as normal as aside anyway, but
that that is one of the differences that people talk
about between sociopaths and soccer paths because a sociopath, now
here's the here's the argument here, a sociopath is able
to have what we call meaningful relationships and a psychopath

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is not. And so that's where you see that separation,
you know, that compartmentalization and when you can have feelings
for somebody but just absolutely none for anybody else. So

(01:07:28):
it still be like I said, it's a hot debate
topic within the circles, and there's a lot of it's heated.
I mean, there's a lot of heated disagreements on that.
I haven't made my mind up about it yet because
you hear so many, so many different stories of just

(01:07:50):
like what you were talking about, Doc, with these people.
So and does it really matter if you label them
asochiopath or a psychopath that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
They've killed ten people?

Speaker 10 (01:08:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
You know, when why do labels matter when it comes
to that? But there seems to be something and I
don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:08:18):
If I don't know what the difference is because or
where the difference lies. Because there again you also have
the narcissistic thing that comes into the comes into play.
Because every psychopath and I'm just going to use that
one term instead of sociopaths, but all psychopaths are narcissists,

(01:08:39):
but not all narcissists or psychopaths. And there are different
degrees of the psychopathic nature psychopathic behavior. And when you
really start finding out how many how many psychopath psychopathic

(01:09:02):
people that you know in your daily life, it's worrisome.
But the thing about it is they're not to that level.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Well, what about people have you met I've met I
wouldn't say it, ton, but I've met a handful of
people that will look in the eye and just lielight,
lil lie. They just make up stuff like crazy, and
it's like they believe it. Are they dangerous? Are they
not dangerous?

Speaker 10 (01:09:31):
Some of them can be some I mean because that
you know what I used to say about a certain
person that I had a relationship with, She would rather
climb up a tree backwards and tell the truth about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Anything you know.

Speaker 10 (01:09:49):
And when you when you're dealing with a pathological liar,
it's you really have to be on your game because
most of the time you don't find out until it's
too late. The being dangerous as far as and and
that's where we come into this part of it. Somebody

(01:10:13):
being dangerous doesn't necessarily that term. It's a blanket term
that we use a lot, but it doesn't necessarily mean
that they're a danger physically. Okay, you can be a
danger to somebody emotionally, you know, and absolutely destroy somebody's
family or or whatever. And there's a lot of these

(01:10:36):
pathological liars and that tend to be narcissists that they
don't care whatever it's it's their goal and that's what
they are hyper focused on, and they don't care about
how they get what they want. If they have to
lie about it, if they have to hurt somebody emotionally, whatever,
it doesn't matter as long as they get the the

(01:11:01):
end game of what they're looking for. Okay. And there again,
when I was talking about the different psycho psychopathical levels
of psychopathy, a lot of your corporate headhunters, in fact,
I would say probably all of them, corporate headhunters and

(01:11:21):
even CEOs, professional athletes, politicians, they all are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Some level psychopath.

Speaker 10 (01:11:32):
Because they can compartmentalize, you know, and they doesn't matter. Say,
corporate headhunters are one of my favorites because they can
destroy lives, lay people off, whatever doesn't matter, and they
could sleep at night. I couldn't sleep at night knowing

(01:11:55):
I just because you know, a week before Christmas, I
just was laid off two hundred people. I couldn't do that.
It would it would, you know, it would bother me
to the core. But there are people that are equipped.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
To handle that kind of stuff, yea.

Speaker 10 (01:12:18):
And a good example of somebody doing what we would
call good things, and that's arguable, but and being a
psychle and having psychopathic psychopathic tendencies. Is an interview that
I've got coming up and I can't wait. And we're
trying to get our schedules to jail, but I'm going

(01:12:39):
to be interviewing a former executioner from Texas and he
performed one hundred and seventies, over one hundred and seventy executioners, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
He's a really nice guy.

Speaker 10 (01:12:56):
And when we were talking and he was telling me,
you know what did and everything. Now he does, don't
get me wrong, he does have ETSD from doing this stuff, right,
And but I'm like, you realize, he said, but I
could sleep at night. It wasn't that, you know, I

(01:13:17):
just it was just a job to me. I said,
you realize that that is psychopathic behavior to be able
to compartmentalize like that, And he goes, yeah, I know.
You know, some people are just built for this kind
of stuff and some people aren't. That's why we see
a lot of the psychopaths go into roles of where

(01:13:42):
they have a where they where they have either in
their own head or legitimate power over people. Okay, but
most of them, not all of them, there are exceptions
to the rule.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Can't hold down a meaningful job.

Speaker 10 (01:14:00):
Okay, So they end up in in roles like a
security guard is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
A big one.

Speaker 10 (01:14:11):
Why because most of them want to be a police
officer or a law enforcement or something of that kind
of that nature, but they can't pass the psych exam
to get in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:14:25):
So you see a lot of these psychopaths, serial killers
mostly that gravitate towards these these positions of power. Okay,
it's no different than you know, Peto's gravitating towards where

(01:14:46):
they'll run into their victims.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
Okay, what about them is there? Yeah, I don't want
you to give away your book, but is there some
key case that kind of was the backbone of your book?

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
You know, my.

Speaker 10 (01:15:03):
And and and I have to I'm going to give
I gotten. I need to give a shout out here
because this is not just solely my book. Okay, And
unfortunately she wasn't able to join us, But Daniel Diva,
Daniel Barzone Brozione.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Co wrote this with me or I co wrote it
with her, how you want to look at it.

Speaker 10 (01:15:24):
She's really deserves the line's share of the credit for
this book. It was her idea.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
And what it is.

Speaker 10 (01:15:34):
It's based on the cases that we covered the first
year we did this this show, and unfortunately with our
changes in our schedule and everything, we've kind of put
the show on hiatus. But it goes over all the
cases that we went over.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
For me.

Speaker 10 (01:15:54):
For me, there is a there is a case that
has really stood out to me over the years. And
because it's so diabolical, it's so there's I can't I
could never get my mind wrapped around the pure evil
and I don't know what else to call it. You know,
people'll argue that does evil exist in my mind? Yes

(01:16:18):
it does. But and that's Albert Fish, the werewolf of Westeria,
and this took place back in the twenties. And he

(01:16:39):
he he his his victims were children, okay, and he
they don't they don't know how many victims he had
because his victims didn't all die. He's now. He had
it just a hor and like most of these people

(01:17:00):
that are talked about, are all these people talked about
in the book, they had a horrific upbringing. And there's
a key factor that we see. There's a few key
factors that we see in probably ninety nine percent of
the cases, and that's where there was an an an

(01:17:26):
overbearing mother figure and either an absent or abusive father.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Okay, And it is.

Speaker 10 (01:17:39):
That that's hard to just ignore, Okay, that fact those
factors are hard to ignore. And but Fish, to give
you one example, his mother, his dad died and his
mother there was like three or four kids, and she
decided she couldn't take care of him. Back in that day,

(01:18:00):
you could just drop your kids off at an orphanage, okay,
and then come pick them up years later. You know,
I don't know that that that again, our systems back
then were horrific.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
You know, you could as a man. Now, this is
crazy as a man. If your wife was hard to
get along with, you could just drop her off at
a sanitarium and call her hysterical and off she went. Okay,

(01:18:36):
but it's the same thing with children. You could just
dump them, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:18:41):
And she did this and then he was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
He was he was, well what did he do?

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Text before we get too deep in this to wind,
I'm not I'm not familiar with this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Yeah, well yeah, yeh. He was a monster, unbelievably.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
But see the crossover why you got interested in him
because if he was you said he was pretending to
be a werewolf.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
No no, no, no, no, that was just a nickname of his.

Speaker 10 (01:19:16):
But he would he would torture and rape children, okay,
and he killed some of them. And the most famous
one was his last victim, okay, and that was Grace Bud.

(01:19:37):
She was ten years old. And what he did, that
whole that whole case with her, and real quick to
talk about, you know, the crossover to in the paranormal
and all this kind of stuff. I honestly, I honestly
believed that she reached out beyond the grave and got
him caught. Okay, Now, when he he would put ads

(01:20:03):
in the one ads okay, and pretend to be a
wealthy landowner and hire these these young people, okay. And
that's how he attracted a lot of these young people up.

Speaker 5 (01:20:18):
Texts were losing you can you turn your body is something?

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Is that better? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
You were blocking your own internet.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Damn. I knew I was big, but there we are.

Speaker 10 (01:20:38):
So anyway, what he did was he was he had
put this ad out, and this young man answered this
ad to work for him, and he went over to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
The house to meet him.

Speaker 10 (01:20:52):
Well, when he got there, it was Grace's brother, and
he was seventeen or eighteen at the time. And when
he got there, he realized that Grace's brother was too
big for him to be able to control, because Albert
Fish was a little, frail, old grandpa looking man, okay,
very unassuming. And that's another thing that we see in

(01:21:15):
a lot of these cases. You know, you want somebody
that's evil, you want to be able to pick him
out in the crowd, but you can't, okay. And so
when he gets there, he automatically realizes this that he's
not going to be able to handle Grace's brother. So
he automatically switches gears and targets Grace once she comes

(01:21:38):
up from upstairs, and he convinces. He convinces her mother
and father to let her go to his niece's birthday party,
is what he said. And the mother did want to,
didn't want her to go, did not was totally against it.

(01:22:01):
Her dad said, come on, let her go. We don't
have any money, she doesn't never get to do anything.
Let her let her be a kid, right, And I
get that, But I'd have been going, well, we'll go
with you, I think, right, But different time, I guess.
So they allowed her to go with him, and she

(01:22:27):
put on the nicest dress that she had, which is
her coronation dress.

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
And.

Speaker 10 (01:22:35):
Went on the subway with the train with him. And
when they were they they had stopped and they had
got up, and he had got off the train, and
Grace was right there and she goes, oh, wait a minute,
you forgot your You forgot yours, your your bag, which
was his murder kid. She runs back to the seat

(01:22:58):
where they were, grabs his bag, runs over and jumps
into his arms, and then they go over to this
house in Wisteria and he leaves her downstairs, tells her
to stay downstairs, goes upstairs, stretched down and calls her upstairs. Well,

(01:23:25):
when she gets upstairs, she sees him. She starts crying,
she's going to tell her mom and everything, and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
He kills her.

Speaker 10 (01:23:32):
Well, he doesn't only kill her. He proceeds to mutilate her,
dismember her, and eat her, and then afterwards wrote a letter.
Now this is the again maybe the one of the

(01:23:53):
cruelest things I've ever heard done. I mean, don't get
me wrong, the whole crime is.

Speaker 8 (01:23:56):
But.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
This really he shows his sadistic nature.

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
Yeah, just keep it, keep it, keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:24:07):
But he writes a letter to her parents blaming them
for what has happened to her and describing in very
very graphic detail of what he did. Now he does
tell her, he does that she remained pure. He did
not do that to her. He could have, but he didn't.

(01:24:33):
But he outlines exactly how and what parts and everything else,
and how long it took him to eat her, roast
her and eat her and blames her parents. Now that letter,
he had never done anything like this before.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
That letter.

Speaker 10 (01:24:53):
Is how he got caught, because it was he wrote
it on he was standing in the boarding house. It
was on the letter head that he tried to scratch out,
but you could still see it. And that's how the
investigators actually ended up apprehending. Now, after his apprehension, he
was he started complaining one time, he started complaining of

(01:25:20):
a dominal pain and all this kind of stuff. And
when they went in and this, this x ray is online.
You can see this. The letter is online too, if
you want to read it. I don't suggest people go
read it. It's just it's horrible. But the x ray,
when they took the x ray, he had fifty fifty one,

(01:25:44):
forty nine or fifty one, I can't remember the number
hens that he had inserted into his general area and
ain'tus area. Because he was a true sado masochist. Both
he enjoyed, you know, pain and giving it. Okay, when

(01:26:07):
he was finally executed and he was executed by the
electric chair, he was looking I think what was his
last words, looking forward to the ride or something like that.
I mean, it was just you know, the guy was crazy.
I mean, well, I see that's another thing when people
we call him crazy, right, well, obviously there's something wrong

(01:26:31):
with these people.

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
I mean, is it as simple as just lacking complete empathy?
One percent empathy or is there or is it possession
of some sort?

Speaker 10 (01:26:46):
Now, see, that opens up a whole new, a whole
new wormhole for me, because I'm working with a theory,
okay that you some of this is what I call
and I've coined the term, I think acute possession. Okay, Now,

(01:27:06):
because a lot of these women that you hear about
when we read about that have killed their children, you know,
and then some of them you'll hear afterwards that they
don't remember doing it or it wasn't me, I don't
know what happened, and then they grieve afterwards. There I

(01:27:28):
think what may be happening in some cases, not all,
but in some cases is that. And if you're a
spiritual person, you believe in these these evil spirits like
I do, demonic you know, possession that these things look

(01:27:48):
for a low point, a weak point, a chink in
our armor to jump in. Postpartum depression is a big
one for women. It's it's it's a very very they're
very very weak emotionally and mentally at that point. And
I think that is what's happening for a lot of

(01:28:10):
these women that do these horrendous things.

Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
Well, what about I hate to bring this up, but
it's you know, it's controversy. But a lot of these
serial shooters, you know, mass people involved in mass shooting.
It's kind of a similar deal. A lot of them,
they've found are on these psychotrophic drugs, you know, basically

(01:28:33):
antidepressants that you know, you always see the warnings on TV.
A few have thoughts of this, this and this. Well,
thoughts of suicide are also going to translate into thoughts
of you know, doing other people. And it just kind
of seems like it gives people some people, not everybody,

(01:28:56):
or if they're wrong dose or god knows, but that
commonality it seems like it's not being looked at also,
and that's kind of a modern problem. I'm not saying
any of these people have that they were on anything,
but are they confirmed, have they confirmed that they weren't
on any forms of early uh, psychotropic drugs.

Speaker 10 (01:29:21):
Well, a lot of a lot of your postpartum you know,
victims are just to try to help them through that,
and that's dangerous because one a lot of one a
lot of people can't take any depressants and stuff like that,
depending on the doctor, depending on their views, if they're breastfeeding,

(01:29:41):
you know, and they have to get through this, you know,
you know, just tough it out. Yeah, and a lot
of them don't have the support, unfortunately, to go through that. Now,
you were talking about these spree shooters, and that's that's
a weird difference because with some of you could arguably

(01:30:07):
where where does the where's the line between his uh,
you know, the spree killers and a serial killer? Okay,
because the difference is I'll tell you right now. The
difference is these spree killers nine percent of the time,
and you talked about suicide and homicide, right, their end
game is not to survive. What they're going to do.

(01:30:31):
They're either going to take their own life or commit suicide.

Speaker 5 (01:30:34):
Right here in Minneapolis, we had a you know, a
horrific incident at a church. Right, that's just you can't
even fathom. And yeah, so, like like you had mentioned,
a lot of them don't, but some some are wearing
bulletproof vest, you know, and thinking they're going to get

(01:30:55):
through it. I don't know, the whole the whole thing
is just I can't comprehend it.

Speaker 10 (01:31:02):
I guess I don't think they're I don't think they're
looking to get survive the ordeal with the body arm
I think they're looking to prolong it. Okay, Okay, now
there's a big there's a big to do right now
over the killdozer case. Now, if you haven't heard about that,

(01:31:23):
this guy in this in this small town, he moved
into this small town. He tried to make his living, open,
his own business and everything. And really the if you
really read into it, the whole city was ran by
a just a couple of families, right, I mean, they've

(01:31:44):
made up the city council, they made up the wealthiest people,
they made up these committees and all this kind of stuff.
So the whole system was rigged against him, right, And
they they put together these new sanctions that basically would
force him to sell his property, okay, And and it

(01:32:07):
just went it went on and went on went on.
And depending on who you believe, they drove him to
do this, I mean they really did, if you take
that side of things. But I think he was on
the edge, really, I mean, but he was a welder.
So he turns this bulldozer into this armored tank, you know,

(01:32:31):
built encapsulates the cab, adds there hangs a fifty caliber
out of the door. I mean, not out of the
one of the slots, mounts, cameras that are that are
on the outside, so he doesn't have to have any slots,
adds air conditioning, I mean the whole nine yards yeah, right,

(01:32:54):
and it's made out of like half inch plate steel.
There's not many rounds that are going to get through that,
you know, and drives through the town taking out these
buildings and businesses and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
There you go, that's killed those right there. Yeah, he
mayor crazy story.

Speaker 10 (01:33:11):
Yeah, and when he finally ran into this one building
and finally ended up getting stuck and he was the
dozer was overheating and everything else, and then they heard
one final.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Gunshot and it was him killing himself. You know.

Speaker 10 (01:33:29):
But to hear everybody talk that knew him before, he
was just the nicest guy, would help anybody and everything else.
And then you know, with all this stuff, you know,
going to these and if you really want to get
an inside look on what this guy was dealing with
and everything else. These city council meetings are online, they're public.

(01:33:51):
You can watch them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:33:55):
But the people that he were dealing with, that he
was dealing with, if you watch them in the meetings
and then watch interviews with them. They're totally different people. Yeah,
they're totally different people. It's a good documentary on that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
Would you say there's like that you could classify people,
these type of people that have committed these horrific rhymes
into a number of categories. Is it kind of broken
down into three categories? Is that something you've done or
thought about or.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
There more that you know?

Speaker 10 (01:34:27):
Yeah, because I go over so many cases and trying
to you know, and I'm a layman. I mean, I
really I've just it's I've never been to school for
any of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
I like Danielle.

Speaker 10 (01:34:40):
Danielle works at a mental health care facility. She's second
in command up there. You know, she she evaluates these patients.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Well, formal education texts has nothing to do with anything either.
You're a smart person.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Well smart among them, but okay, you know, formal.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
Training in fact, people like yourself are going to do
a way better job.

Speaker 10 (01:35:05):
In my book, Well, Danielle really offers a lot of
great insight in in this stuff because and that's and
I think that's what makes us such a great team,
because we come at it at different angles.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:35:21):
She she's she's looking at it, you know, from a
what do you call it, see, I'm not this.

Speaker 5 (01:35:28):
Smart, well from a mental health perspective.

Speaker 10 (01:35:33):
Well, mental health perspective, I'm looking at it from just
you know, a regular Joe's perspective perspective and ask questions.
And so I think it's great to have that dynamic,
you know, But.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
When you when you.

Speaker 10 (01:35:51):
Start talking about classification of these these people, that's where
there's a lot of a lot of debate on how
to classify these things. Because these things, these people, because
there are so many levels of narcissism, psychopathy, and you know,

(01:36:12):
and you don't even know, you don't even know where.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
To call them.

Speaker 10 (01:36:15):
There is a psychopathy checklist.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
And isn't there also going to be a breaking point
or the straw that broke the camel's back for certain
people where they get along. That's that's the weird thing.
Somebody can be sixty years old and they've lived a
pretty normal law body life, they've never heard of soul,
and all of a sudden they'll snap and they've been
like pushed over the edge from whatever sixty years of

(01:36:42):
holding in their emotions or whatever their problem is, right,
and then on start hurting people.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
It's crazy, Yeah, it is, you get that far. Well,
you know.

Speaker 10 (01:36:58):
There again, people talk about, well, we don't have as
many serial killers now as we used to. That's not
the case. That is not the case. We have just
as many people out there. But now we've we've with
the technology and everything and the advancements of and investigative
techniques and everything else, and the world is a much

(01:37:20):
smaller place with the cameras and the phones and everything
and the internet. That it's not that we have less
of these people. We got more people on the planet
than ever, how are you going to that doesn't the
math doesn't math, you know what I'm saying. It's not
the fact that we have less of them. We have
more of them. But they're being caught before they can

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go on, right, And that's that's That's just how it is.
I mean, people talk about and this is another thing
that just drives me crazy. People talk about how we're
in the end times, or people talk about how it's
worse than it's ever been.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
You know, the world as a whole is worse it's
ever been. People are so.

Speaker 10 (01:38:02):
Evil, nothing's changed, folks, since the dawn of freaking time.
I'm telling you humans are locusts. We've always been freaking
locused and were the evil acts that are being committed.
The things that are going on throughout the world have

(01:38:24):
always went on, They're always going to go on. The
deal is is that this world, with the Internet and
everything else technology, we have made so much smaller, right
that we hear about it more, we're more aware of it.
Think about it. It wasn't that long ago, folks. Nineteen seventies,

(01:38:46):
in the seventies you had this basically new invention called
TV and networks, and that's how you got your news.
Before that, it was it was newspapers and radio, and
up until the Internet came on, the only the only

(01:39:07):
place you had to get information was the news. No
matter what platform it was, it was the news, and
you believe what the news told you. But new but
word of things traveled slow, okay, comparatively to what it
is now. It's instantaneous, right, So with all those advancements

(01:39:30):
we've made the world smaller, we're more aware of these
things that we were never aware of before.

Speaker 5 (01:39:37):
Is it true text that it was mainly journalists of
a bygone era that brought these serial killers the news
out there because the police kept it quiet, and it
was these journalists that put, you know, put things together
and said it is a serial killer or was it
the cops? I mean you, I'm true, we don't know

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the answer.

Speaker 10 (01:40:01):
Well, okay, it's the term serial killer. The first the
first that's a new term relatively okay, And the first
time we can see that in print and it's not
serial killers, it's serial murderers.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Is nineteen sixty one. Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:40:23):
Now, Robert Wrestler was one of the he was he
was one of the the guys that that created the
behavioral Department of the FBI. Okay, he's one of the
mind original mind hunters, and he was in he was
at a conference in the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
UK and.

Speaker 10 (01:40:44):
He was listening to a guy and this guy used
the term serial murders, right, and he it stood out
to him so much because of like you know, the
old serial radio shows that type. But he is the

(01:41:06):
one a lot of people credit him coming up with
the term. It's really not, but he did. He did
come up with the term serial killers, which made it
more snappy. Right as far as journalist, like I said,
that's the only way we found out about any of
this stuff. Really is journalists, right, because that's what the

(01:41:28):
news and and this.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Is not a new thing, folks.

Speaker 10 (01:41:35):
Back in the eighteen seventeen and eighteen hundreds, there were
these these trash rags, basically, these these papers that were
put out that that's what they covered. They covered all
the weird stuff. And you know, but the serial killers

(01:41:57):
back then were called they penned them with super natural names,
murder fiends, you know, and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:42:04):
They made them famous with these sensational headlines.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Right, But so is it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
But my point was texts. I'm sorry to interrupt you,
but my point was because we really have very poor
journalism anymore. Pretty much the journalists now just copy and
paste with the Some other reporters said, nobody is doing
a lot of investigative reporting anymore, right, And so are
there more of these serial killers or murderers going unnoticed

(01:42:36):
because the press is just not touching it, and the
police aren't giving the information, and they have no money
anymore they can even keep up. I mean, from what
I know about what's going on in the police departments
all over the country is they've got files and files
of murders that are unsolved cold. They have no money

(01:42:58):
to fund DNA studies. They have no money to do
anything to even connect these cases. So isn't there more
going on now than ever?

Speaker 10 (01:43:07):
Like you know, well, there has to be. There's more people. Yeah, right,
it has to be. I mean it, it's gonna multiply.
But going to your point, there's a case in Houston
right now that over the last three years there's been
as as last I heard, fifty three bodies found in

(01:43:30):
the bayous around Houston, Okay, And it's escalated over the
last three years. That started out with twenty twenty three
there was nine bodies, then it scaled up and.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Then nobody knows about this, very few people do.

Speaker 10 (01:43:47):
Well, they're trying to keep it hush hush, and they've
had they don't get me wrong, they've had press conferences
on this as of as late as a couple of
weeks ago, okay, and they emphatic, the city leaders and
law enforcement leaders down are emphatically deny that there's there

(01:44:09):
is there is no evidence of a serial killer, Okay,
But they're not releasing the cause of death before these folks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Right, So.

Speaker 10 (01:44:21):
How can you know? Which tells me that? And I
understand they don't want the public to panic. I get that,
but you are also you you I think you have
to have a level of honesty with the public because
if there is somebody out there doing this kind of stuff,
they need to be aware and the citizens and the families,

(01:44:43):
especially of these victims. And that's a lot of that's
that's mainly who's speaking out now is the families of
these victims, because they're saying, look, these people weren't somebody,
they weren't somebody just jump in the river kill themselves. Okay,
that typpened. And so you're getting pressure from the families

(01:45:09):
to law enforcement, city officials that just all they want
is to make the city safer. They want lights installed.
The same thing happened in Austin last year with all
the bodies shown up in Lady Bird Lake. And what
we found out then was there was this was happening
all over the country. It had happened in I think
eleven states, and there was clusters of bodies in every state.

(01:45:32):
And one of the odd things were that these victims
had been seen getting getting a van with a group
of people, men and women, when the last time they
were seen they had GHB in their system, and they didn't,
you know, some of these A lot of these victims
didn't even do drugs, they didn't drink, you know. They

(01:45:56):
were being called accidental drownings when and the wouldn't be
any water in the lungs. There was a lot of
stuff that wasn't that up. And Austin City officials were
saying the same thing, there's no there's no evidence of
a serial killer going on.

Speaker 5 (01:46:11):
So so many of these autopsies are never made public either,
which so not even any citizen journalists can go, come on,
there's something wrong here.

Speaker 10 (01:46:21):
So there's a lot of of that, like you said,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
Because.

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
It's kind of a non cover up, cover up.

Speaker 10 (01:46:30):
It's just absolutely I mean, what if you were chief
of police, would you want to admit or even mayor
or whatever, would you want to admit that ov there's
been fifty three people killed in my city and we
don't know a damn thing, you know, I mean, you
don't want that, you know. And and it is unbelievable

(01:46:56):
how gullible they think we are, because they're out there
saying this is this is not what's going on, and
and but they're not releasing any details. If this is
not what's going on, release the details, tell us why
it's not going on, why you think it's not going on,

(01:47:17):
not just that it's not happening, Okay, that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
That dog won't hunt.

Speaker 10 (01:47:21):
Right, So there is being like you said, it's a
non cover up, cover up, right, But there is pressure
in this and you know, I know here and I'm
not here, but down in Houston there is there is
continued pressure by the families and friends of the victory.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
Well that's an extreme case to that many people, and
then you have you ever done it? Gonna handle It's
one thing I cannot get a handle it. How many
people actually go missing that are truly missing, not runaways
that come back. I'm talking about really missing. I can't

(01:48:06):
get a handle on it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Can you.

Speaker 10 (01:48:07):
It's crazy and I don't think it's I don't think
anybody as far as the missing stove stuff goes, and
we've talked about it that you can't. You're not going
to narrow it down to one thing that's responsible. Okay,
it's a I think it's a smorgas board of things
that are that are responsible for this. I do think

(01:48:29):
that cryptids play a part in it, but I also
think serial killers absolutely, you know, and just stupid people
being unprepared. Okay, And when I say stupid, there's a
difference between stupid and ignorant. Ignorance not knowing. Stupidity is

(01:48:50):
refusing not to learn. But yeah, it's just when you
get you're never gonna pin it down to one thing,
because not one thing is responsible for it, but is phenomenal.
How many people, I mean, you're talking thousands of people

(01:49:13):
that go missing every year. One of the one of
the worst things going on. You talk about the cover
ups and deniability and all and denying and all that
kind of stuff is the high Way of tears in Canada,
and unfortunately it is most of the most of the
victims are Indigenous women, right And regardless of what's how

(01:49:39):
you want to think, what side of the awe you
are on, I don't care. It's undeniable that minorities do
not get the press for some reason that you know,
minority cases were they're starting to turn a corner, thank goodness.
But back in the day, that's why these that's why

(01:49:59):
we we had so many victims that were you know,
homeless prostitutes that you know, hitchhikers because they went unnoticed,
you know, and then people of color too, because back
in the day, but you know, before we got you know,
pulled our head out of our butts though, you know,

(01:50:20):
they didn't matter as much. I mean, that's just plain
and simple.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:50:25):
You look look at the child killings now in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
You know, yeah, I remember that that was what they
were not getting the attention.

Speaker 10 (01:50:35):
Yeah, they were not getting the attention, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
And it turned out.

Speaker 5 (01:50:39):
To be who was announcing these patterns. Nobody anymore, just
just like us exactly. It's citizen requarters because the I
mean the mainstream news is not really doing their job anymore.

Speaker 10 (01:50:56):
No, they're really not. They're they're being told what to say. Well,
and I think they always have been to a certain extent,
but I think it's more.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
Politically driven than anything else, you know, and they're going
to do, you know, whatever they need to do to
climb the ladder.

Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
Some of these patterns have to be so obvious to
law enforcement. They are they are, and they don't say
a word, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:51:32):
And I get you don't want to blow your investigation.
I understand that you don't want to put all the investment,
all the evidence out there. Understand that wholeheartedly. But there
is stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
But doesn't that do more harm than good though?

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Text No, no, because you don't want a lot of
times what.

Speaker 10 (01:51:52):
Happens is if you if you put out there that
there we're looking for a serial killer. This is you know,
he's done this and this and this, this, you always
get a percentage of false confessions. People calling in and
I'm the killer or whatever. You know, but they don't know.

(01:52:14):
And that's why they keep some of those details to
themselves because they can check that. You know. So if
this person doesn't know what how the victims were killed,
or where they were left or by some you know whatever,
well you're just trying to you know, claim fame right.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Well. Plus, you know, if her purposes of conviction, if
there's details only the killer knows, that's useful for convicting
a case too.

Speaker 10 (01:52:46):
So you don't I mean, I understand them not not
releasing certain details. I do, but don't deny that this
is happening as a whole. You know, these people, the victims,
families and friends, are asking for you to make the
streets safer.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
That's all. They want.

Speaker 10 (01:53:08):
More lighting in certain places, that amp up patrols in
certain areas, that's all they're asking. Why are you denying
to do that. That doesn't make any sense at all. Yeah,
I mean explain that one.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
I mean that's just like.

Speaker 5 (01:53:28):
Well, why doesn't I always wondering the white Okay. I
worked on a TV show development called Off the Dead
Gatak and the goal of the show, the main goal
of the show was to through the TV show to
fund the solving of crimes. In other words, the network

(01:53:48):
would pay for the DNA stuff. The network would pay
because they have no money, they have no budget, they
have no money. I mean, it's it's if you really
knew the truth like I do, it's scary, you know,
like file cabinets and file cabinets of cold cases.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
That they have.

Speaker 5 (01:54:08):
I mean, they know they could solve them if they
had the funny.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
So my goal was.

Speaker 5 (01:54:13):
To get them the money through the network and do
these very hard hitting using high advanced DNA techniques to
track down because they are like companies like authroam are
you know, they can find three fifty year old cells
that are on somebody's clothing and they can find the

(01:54:34):
killer or the relatives of the killer and then.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Narrow it down. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
Yeah, and so they've done an amazing job. And so
that was my goal. But I always wondering why the
police departments don't say, Okay, we have these three cases
that we really feel we could solve if we had
the money, and why doesn't the police Why aren't they
allowed to do fundraising private fundraising?

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Yeah they're not.

Speaker 10 (01:55:06):
Yeah, that makes no sense to me. I mean, I
don't know. I don't understand the pushback, Okay, I just
I really do not.

Speaker 5 (01:55:22):
Yeah, because even if something's twenty years old, that person
has probably left a trail of these.

Speaker 10 (01:55:32):
Bodies, Oh absolutely absolutely, and.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
You know they only maybe even know about the one.

Speaker 5 (01:55:37):
Yeah, but they may have you know, taken thirty forty
people out, and loved ones want to know what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
I mean, think of.

Speaker 5 (01:55:46):
The hell the loved ones go through not knowing you know,
where they're brothers or sister, daughter, son. It's just I
can't even you can't fathom.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
That stuff, you really can't.

Speaker 5 (01:56:03):
I mean, was there was there one thing other than
that kind of a fact that really shook you to
your core while you were researching you for your book texts?

Speaker 10 (01:56:14):
I think the biggest, one of the biggest things for
me was the fact that well it goes back to information. Okay,
and I'm one of the biggest things for me was
I wanted to make people aware that, but I wanted

(01:56:37):
to make people aware, but I didn't want to necessarily
scare them.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
But I want people.

Speaker 10 (01:56:42):
Aware of you run into these individuals daily, okay, And
I want to get the red flags out there so
people can protect themselves. And this goes with and I'm
not talking just about killers, talking about narcissists, because narcissists

(01:57:06):
can destroy somebody's life, Okay, they really can, and that's
their goal. Their goal is to get what they want,
use people for what they want. And you know, another
thing that we're that we're passionate about is the cycle
of violence, you know, the abuse and every other thing
like that. If you can give people information that when

(01:57:31):
they can spot the red flags, okay, and let them
know that they're not alone, and if they have a
place to go, even if it's us, and we can
tell them or guide them in a way to get
you know, certain entities involved that need to be involved.

(01:57:56):
That's the big thing for us really is.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
And what.

Speaker 10 (01:58:03):
I think one thing that just floored me more than
anything was hmhm, the amount of the amount of these
most a lot of people call them evil. I think

(01:58:23):
that I think that term gets thrown around way too much, okay,
because when you run into true evil, there's it's a
whole different level, right of But the amount of these

(01:58:44):
kind of people that are in in your everyday social media,
because that's that's a whole new thing with me is
so I I don't I don't do Facebook, I don't
do social media. This is what I do. This is
my social media right here, because I think that is
one of the biggest I think the Internet as a

(01:59:08):
whole is both the best and the worst invention.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
We've ever had, agreed, you know, but just just giving people.

Speaker 10 (01:59:24):
The red flags to look for and hopefully they can
save themselves from either they're just in the relationship and
they're in denial and in denial of what, you know,
what they're dealing with. They don't know how to deal
with what they're dealing with, or they're just getting involved
with somebody and they're like, something's off what you know,
and then you know, well, when they behave like this,

(01:59:47):
you could be looking at this and this is the
red flag where it's gonna and it's not gonna get better.
That's one thing it's never gonna get better for these folks, right,
If you're an abusive relationship, it doesn't get better, it escalates, Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
And I guess that was.

Speaker 10 (02:00:11):
When I started finding out how readily that we deal
with these type of people is what really floored me.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
And I'm like, oh, you know, people didn't know how
to protect themselves. They really do.

Speaker 10 (02:00:29):
And then when I started getting into that, and I started,
you know, getting into the whole the psychological aspect of
serial killers and all this kind of stuff. And then
I start finding out about the non cover up cover ups,
and I love that term. I was bored as to
why aren't we being told that this is happening and

(02:00:54):
this is and why why are you making places safer?
If that's all we're asking? I don't get it, you know,
I don't understand holding back that much information from us
eat things to the case. Yes, hold it back so
you can you know, prosecute you center and find them,
but at least make it safe for folks, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
So, was there one.

Speaker 5 (02:01:16):
Thing though text that just sho I mean really just
shoot you? Or maybe not?

Speaker 2 (02:01:22):
Well as far as what one case.

Speaker 5 (02:01:24):
Or one case or one fact that hits you one.

Speaker 10 (02:01:29):
Like, well, Like I said earlier, the one case that
just really stuck with me and still takes is Albert
Fish because the the mind the He's one person I
do considered to be truly evil. There are others out

(02:01:53):
there now, and a lot of people are going to
This one's a little different because Ed Kemper. Ed Kemper
was He's six foot nine and weighs three hundred and almost,
you know, three hundred plus pounds huge. He was able

(02:02:14):
to convince hitchhikers, college age girls, hitchhikers to get it
in his car. Not only that, to the point to
where he was he had one of them, He had
convinced two of them to get in his car, had
one of them out and killed her and threw in

(02:02:34):
the trunk. The other girl had locked herself in the
car with his gun in the car, and he convinced
her to unlock the car.

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (02:02:48):
Somebody had been a point. Why don't they teach you know,
some type of course, you know, mandatory even in elementary school,
sociopathic liars, uh nurses and all of these, you know,
things that could help save kids from getting conned.

Speaker 10 (02:03:13):
You know, I don't I don't see why they why
they wouldn't there nothing.

Speaker 5 (02:03:18):
Yeah, I don't remember getting ever, you know, saying uh
not even you know, don't don't go with strangers. I
never heard anything in school. That all came from parents.

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
I remember the whole. Of course. Our our generation was
a little different, you know.

Speaker 10 (02:03:36):
I was was watching a short video the other day
and there was this guy and he was obviously a
I don't even know what generation we're at now. He
was a young guy and he says, so, y'all say
you dream he was talking about us, you know, and
our generation goes, so, y'all say, you drank out of
hoses where sinks not available? And this girl's response to

(02:04:00):
this woman's response was like, okay, y'all gonna tell any where?

Speaker 2 (02:04:03):
I'm going to tell you right. He's like, we are
freaking invincible. Okay. We were not allowed to come in
the house until it got dark. The street lights came on,
it was time to go in the house. We had
There was a reminder on the news at ten o'clock
that they had children.

Speaker 5 (02:04:26):
I remember that. I'm told enough to remember those announcements.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
Ten pm.

Speaker 13 (02:04:30):
Do you know where children are? But didn't have a clue.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
No, No, they did not.

Speaker 10 (02:04:42):
And but you talk about, you know, these classes that
we could get.

Speaker 5 (02:04:50):
Well, you wonder how many people would that saves on this.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
It was a great idea that I'm not sure who brought.

Speaker 10 (02:05:00):
But the other thing is is you talk about things
that just really floor you and just really shock you
to your core. It's the amount of times that family
members or friends went to the authorities, and when I

(02:05:21):
say authorities, I mean child protected services, teachers, law enforcement,
the whole gambit, right, and said, look, there's something wrong here,
this person is missing, there's something and they got ignored.
You know, I mean you're looking at if you I
mean you want to look at an extreme case of it.

(02:05:41):
Look at Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah, he had a fifteen year
old victim that he had been drugging and everything else
and had got loose and was running down the road
naked and trying to tell the cops and even somebody
else there try to tell the cops that, you know,

(02:06:06):
I'm being raped or whatever. And then when Jeffrey showed
up and said they were lovers back in that time,
the cops didn't want to deal with any homosexual stuff
at all, and.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
They let the guy let Jeffrey take the guy back
to his apartment. Unbelievable. Crazy you So, but.

Speaker 10 (02:06:31):
I don't want to think that it still happens to
that extent, but it you know, kids, especially folks. You
got to believe your kids.

Speaker 2 (02:06:41):
You know.

Speaker 10 (02:06:43):
Now on the flip side of that, you are going
to have unfortunately, these kids that are taking advantage of
this because why well they're kind of the same mindset
that you could have a little you know, psychopath on
your hands, you know, because they will take advantage of that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:06):
But I think you have to take it, and you know,
you take the good with the bad. You know.

Speaker 10 (02:07:14):
It's like getting you know, people confessing to being a
serial killer, you know, the same thing. You got to
take that chance, but you got you need You're going
to have to least investigate of what's going on, you know. So,
but that that's one thing that just completely fored me
was the amount of cases that just get brushed to

(02:07:36):
the side.

Speaker 14 (02:07:36):
Yeah, people don't.

Speaker 10 (02:07:39):
Want to get and people not getting involved. The worst
case that I've ever seen that I've ever heard about
people just standing around and not wanting not my problem, right,
and this took place several years ago, was this gentleman.

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
Trigger warning here, folks. Okay, this gentleman had his eighteenth
month eighteen month old child out in the middle of
the street during the day. There was I think twenty
people watching this happen, and nobody stepped in by the ankles,

(02:08:25):
swinging its swinging that kid's head into the curb like
a golf club. Nobody did anything. How is a human
being do you let that happen?

Speaker 5 (02:08:43):
There's a lot of apathy with bystanders. Yeah, and stratefully
so because in so many of these countries, including Canada,
just announced, as someone breaks into your house, you basically
can't do anything. You just need to leave. Really, you're

(02:09:04):
going to just you know, you can't defend yourself, you
can't defend your kids.

Speaker 2 (02:09:09):
It's like it.

Speaker 5 (02:09:10):
Sounds so simple, Oh yeah, I just leave. You can
arm people that come into your home and all you're
supposed to do is leave and trust they're not going
to hurt your family. It's the biggest pile of BS
I've ever heard. This is happening in real time in England.
They've just armed people over there. They're they're trying to
do it here. They've done it and successfully in Canada

(02:09:33):
now too. And now that comes out, Oh you can't
do anything. Really, It's like, what do you think? It's insanity?
You know, we're living in crazy times right now.

Speaker 10 (02:09:47):
So they're basically handing people over to criminals and going
do what you want? You know, well, you know, and
how many how many things have we heard about? How
many different here have we heard about that are decriminalizing
things and all this kind of stuff. I don't want
to process it.

Speaker 5 (02:10:06):
That's what we're living in crazy opposite times.

Speaker 2 (02:10:11):
It's weird.

Speaker 5 (02:10:12):
I mean, it's like, did I wake up in another
dimension where I'm as right bad as good?

Speaker 10 (02:10:18):
You know, and I know if.

Speaker 5 (02:10:22):
You steal, but only nine hundred and ninety five dollars
worth per day.

Speaker 2 (02:10:26):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 10 (02:10:29):
I don't talk politics because you.

Speaker 5 (02:10:32):
Know, politics it's just for commons. You have a family
and you have children, I don't care. I mean, you're
either you're you're you're nuts. If you don't want your
family to safe, you're just playing old nuts.

Speaker 10 (02:10:48):
I guarantee you somebody breaks in my door, you've done
broken the wrong door exactly, guarantee you that. But I've
heard these weird stories and it's not some of them,
you know, like back in the nineties and stuff. There
was a I heard about a case that there's this

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guy that broke into this people's house and broke his
leg when he went through the window or something like
that and sued them and won.

Speaker 2 (02:11:19):
What in that case?

Speaker 5 (02:11:21):
Yeah, or the guy that was arrested and spent what
almost a year in prison that just helped people on
a bus and the guy did end up dying. But
the guy was attacking people and he was a military
decorated military guy. He just tried to help people and
he ends up going to jail. It's like, those are

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those are bad things.

Speaker 10 (02:11:46):
There's a case over and if you look at like,
I want to say, is it Brazil?

Speaker 2 (02:11:53):
I think it's Brazil. And there was.

Speaker 10 (02:11:57):
A case of a guy that killed upwards to one
hundred children. Okay, that's in fact, that's unfathomable. I don't what.
But anyway, when they caught him, he got sentenced to
the maximum okay, twenty five years. Twenty five years, And

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I'm like, what, you should never see the light of day.
You know, if you don't have the death penalty, that's fine,
but they you know that the people that do that
should never see the light of day. They do not
belong in society, right, But we hear about that kind
of stuff all the time. You know, there was a case,

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there was a case that took place in France and
Austria and that area that this guy when he got
thrown in jail. He got thrown in jail because he
killed his girlfriend's eighteen year old friend. Well, him and

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his girlfriend went and robbed her parents. Got this right,
rob robbed her parents and then had picked up her
friend and then he took her they stopped, robbed her, stopped.
He took her out in the woods and beat her
to death with a basically a piece of rebarb and

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broke almost every bowl in their body, and then sexually
assaulted her and got thrown in prison for it. Many
many years in prison, I mean, you know, and they
were trying to reform their prison system and so under

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political and he when he got in prison, he started writing. Okay,
and he was actually writing episode for a children's show. Okay,
He's written books. He was the best seller. So under
pressure of all these people that were in the media entertainment,

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they let him out early. Okay. He spent it was crazy.
It's like seven eight years wasn't long they let him out.
Well he's back in prison now because he killed like
twelve more people through three or four countries, two of

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them being over here in the States.

Speaker 2 (02:14:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:14:39):
That's the other weird thing too. They're you know, they're
giving such latent sentences that, yeah, and there's no responsibility
with these judges doing this, and these prosecutors is letting
people out going oh and then they gets somebody else.
It's like, yeah, it'd be nice if they were held responsible.

Speaker 10 (02:15:00):
Well, what's crazy is it's there's no it doesn't seem
to be any sense to what these what happens, because
you hear about cases that somebody just did something horrific
and they get off with almost just a slap on

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the wrist and then well, Oklahoma, they just released.

Speaker 2 (02:15:24):
That that that that.

Speaker 10 (02:15:28):
Well he's an adult now, but he was seventeen when
he committed two rapes, and they just they just he
walked because they were going to try him as an adult,
and then they switched it and because he was seventeen now,
oh no, we're going to try him as a juvenile.
He walked, just walked, and they're all up and are

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You've got state representatives that are, you know, totally confused
about what happened and everything. So Oklahoma's going through a
big turmoil right now.

Speaker 6 (02:16:00):
And but.

Speaker 10 (02:16:05):
You've got these cases that are almost completely opposite of
what they common sense says they should be. Yeah, you
got these people that are doing these horrific things that
just get a slap on the wrist. And then you've
got these people that don't do hardly anything at all
and they're just getting raked over the coals.

Speaker 2 (02:16:24):
Yeah, that's strange.

Speaker 10 (02:16:27):
Every system we have is broken. That's the problem.

Speaker 5 (02:16:30):
So in your book, I want to get back to
the book Infamous Minds. What what did you guys try
to am? What was different about what you wanted to
accomplish in your book Texts?

Speaker 10 (02:16:44):
It's education awareness, that's what it. That's what it is.
You know, like I said, we don't go into the
gory stuff. It's more if you want to get up.

Speaker 5 (02:16:53):
So your goal was to educate people on how they
were thinking, what they were doing.

Speaker 10 (02:16:58):
To manipulate people, you know, how to spot red flags
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:17:01):
Gotch.

Speaker 10 (02:17:02):
That is that is our main goal, you know, education.
We want to help people prevent crime. Yes, yes, well
that's that's it helps somebody. If it helps one person,
it's all.

Speaker 2 (02:17:14):
Been worth it. Absolutely. When is the book out? Is it?
Is it? Is it out yet? Well?

Speaker 10 (02:17:20):
It was it was supposed to be out this this
last week, but if anybody's dealt with getting the book out,
we got pushed back a month.

Speaker 2 (02:17:31):
So yeah, where is it going to be available? Is
it probably? Yeah? Yeah, I'll be kid. I'll put it
on my list track because I was. I was actually
looking for it and it's but I definitely want to
read it when it comes out. I'm looking forward to it.
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 10 (02:17:49):
Yeah, this is not this is like I said, this
is this book one, So we're playing on the second one.
The second one may be a little different. The second
one may be more about these cases that kind of
we've been talking about, like the Houston and the Austin cases,
and and a lot of the why aren't we being

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told things? That type of thing?

Speaker 5 (02:18:14):
Yeah, yeah, you know, what's the what's the plan? Is
it just to cover up the fact they're not a
you know, they don't have an answer or is it more?

Speaker 2 (02:18:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (02:18:26):
And I also want to touch more on the missing
type situations, that type of thing, because there are different
you know, more more things that play than you know.
I know people want to blame it on things like
UFO's dog Man and big Foot, and I'm not saying
those aren't responsible for a portion of it.

Speaker 5 (02:18:45):
But well, let's talk about that for a minute. How
much danger do you think people are in with? You know,
I know you've had a dog man siting you.

Speaker 2 (02:19:00):
I guess when you have a sighting, you know they're real.

Speaker 5 (02:19:04):
Yeah, okay, and you must know that they're probably not.

Speaker 2 (02:19:12):
Nice. I don't think there are friends. Okay, that's a
good way. It's a good way to word it.

Speaker 5 (02:19:18):
They're not our friends. So do you think that they
could be responsible some of these rogue you know, because
there's probably ones that aren't. They're just eating deer or
whatever they're feeding on, and others that are maybe preying
on weak people.

Speaker 10 (02:19:38):
We're easy targets. Why wouldn't they? Yeah, I mean the
ID the main concern of any predator out there, or
any animal, okay, is to expand the least amount of calories,
to gain the most amount of calories, okay, and not
to die.

Speaker 2 (02:19:57):
That is the main goal. Do not die.

Speaker 10 (02:20:01):
So we're easy, defenseless, freaking targets. Why wouldn't they take
advantage of that? But if they, if they have a
level of intelligence that we give them credit for, they
would probably know that. Well, we can't do it all
the time, you know. But I do think they're responsible

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for a portion of it. I don't think they're responsible
for a big portion of it. I've been I've been
bumping around with these critters pretty much all my life.
I'm still here. There's been plenty of opportunities. I don't
think they're like these evil critters waiting behind they re
treat to snatch this stuff and eat us. But I
do think that if they get desperate enough, because I

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don't think we're the first thing on their menu for
the most part, you know, if they get desperate and
the opportunity is there, yeah, let's snatch one of aisode.

Speaker 2 (02:21:02):
So are you.

Speaker 5 (02:21:05):
Saying that bigfoots are safer to be around than dogmen?
Is that a safe assumption?

Speaker 2 (02:21:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (02:21:14):
I've been around both. I think the thing with dog men, though,
I think they get more of their jolly's out of
scared and the hell out of you than anything.

Speaker 5 (02:21:26):
How intelligent that? Okay, in order to do that, you'd
have to be really really intelligent and have a sense
of humor almost, which would make them really really intelligent.

Speaker 10 (02:21:38):
Well, how many times have you seen videos of cats
hiding behind.

Speaker 2 (02:21:44):
The wall to scare the other one? Lots?

Speaker 10 (02:21:50):
So you know it's but I do think these things
have a level intelligence about that, Okay, I really do.
And I get up for all this time, all the.

Speaker 5 (02:22:02):
Thanks for making my comment look ridiculous that you have
to be indulgence seven cents of you were. I guess
you're absolutely right cats, you know there they are smart?

Speaker 13 (02:22:13):
Though Well I'm just.

Speaker 5 (02:22:15):
You know, I mean, yeah, you're sure put me in
my place quick.

Speaker 10 (02:22:19):
I wasn't trying to, no, I'm just laughing about it.

Speaker 2 (02:22:23):
But that's true.

Speaker 5 (02:22:24):
Cats and dogs too, and they do play and you know,
I guess you don't have to be like a brain
surgeon to play a prank on somebody.

Speaker 10 (02:22:35):
But I do think, I do think that they have
the intelligent level, the intelligence level that obviously it is
more than me because I can't speak very well. I
compare them to to wales, and I think I talked
about this last time. I don't know if we got

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around to this point or not. Because killer whales and
before people jump all over me. Killer whales are very,
very very intelligent. The more they're a lot more intelligent
people give them credit.

Speaker 5 (02:23:15):
Yeah, And aren't they sinking boots lately?

Speaker 2 (02:23:17):
Yes, which is really freaky.

Speaker 10 (02:23:20):
And what's crazy is the juvenile's doing it while the
parents are sitting back watching. How creepy is that?

Speaker 2 (02:23:29):
That's very creepy, you know.

Speaker 10 (02:23:31):
But you've got I mean you you've got to understand her.
You're you're dealing with when it's killer welles, you're dealing
with a with an animal that grieves. There there's there's
documented cases of it. Say, the same cow that's pushed
two calves around for weeks after they had died. I
don't know why they're dying, you know, but she's pushed

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them around mourning the loss of her of her babies.

Speaker 2 (02:23:59):
You know. They mate for life.

Speaker 10 (02:24:02):
They teach each other from different areas how to hunt
in different spots. They strategically time of tax I mean,
it's just they figured out.

Speaker 2 (02:24:12):
And this is a big one for me. You're talking
about an animal.

Speaker 10 (02:24:20):
That some people still refer to as a fish for
some reason. But you're talking about an animal that figured
out that if I grab a shark by a pectoral fin,
flip it upside down, it goes into a catatonic state
where I can leisurely eat its liver and let it go,

(02:24:45):
I mean really yeah, and then teach that, and then
teach that and other techniques to you know, pods that will.

Speaker 2 (02:24:55):
Come in from another area. It's always blowed my mind
that different they almost have, like ethnic groups. Different gods
have radically different behavior depending on what social group they're
and it's different diets, different hunting methods they have, I mean,
the same species has. They're more they're more like humans

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in so many ways. It's crazy, and the more you
learn about them, the crazier it gets. They're they're absolutely fascinating.
I agree, Oh yeah, they're. They're they're absolutely amazing. And yeah, creatures,
I mean I think they're they had different vocal cords,
and they had feet, we'd be had, we'd be having
cousins on the land.

Speaker 5 (02:25:38):
I'm just saying, any credible cases texts of people being
killed by dog men. I know there's I've read, you know,
and I don't know if they're true or not true.

Speaker 2 (02:25:52):
These crazy stories. Yeah, I think there's been several. Of course,
everybody he knows about the lb O case that arguably
did or did not happen and didn't What was your opinion.

Speaker 10 (02:26:07):
Tex I think it happened, but maybe not to the
extent that we hear. Okay, but I do think that
it happened. But will we ever know the absolute truth?
Probably not. There was the case of the young boy

(02:26:32):
in Kentucky several years ago that was dragged off a
few hundred yards and what they said was that what
killed him was an unknown cana. How the hell do
you have an unknown cana?

Speaker 5 (02:26:44):
Was there an actual autopsy forensic conclusion? Yeah, they said
that a paper that could be produced by anybody.

Speaker 2 (02:26:56):
You can probably find the report in out of out
of Kentucky.

Speaker 5 (02:27:00):
I wonder if that would be a great keys for
La Eric Policio to try to do a foyer and
actually get a hold of those papers.

Speaker 10 (02:27:10):
And then then you have which to me, this has
been the most fascinating case, especially I mean because it's
so fresh one and that it's just it's mind blowing
that it didn't get more attention. We were talking about
non cover up, cover up, so a goo oh man,
this one fits the bill. So there's livepan Texas. And

(02:27:31):
I think I told you about this one privately or something,
but it's livepan Texas and it was just a few
just a few years ago, and this man was he
took a short cut through.

Speaker 2 (02:27:41):
The woods.

Speaker 10 (02:27:43):
Every day to go to work, and he didn't show
up to work and he didn't come home, so they
reported missing.

Speaker 2 (02:27:49):
They went looking for him. They found him.

Speaker 10 (02:27:50):
He was thrown over in a brush with his throat
ripped out from the front, with scratches on his chest. Okay,
his throat wasn't hut, his neck wasn't broke from the back,
his throat was ripped out from the front.

Speaker 2 (02:28:07):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (02:28:08):
So the that the small county in town did not
have a medical examiner. So in that case, the Justice
of the peace assumes that role. Now, the Justice the
piece shows up with a SHARE's deputy to the scene.
Along with them shows up a game warden and their

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civilian tracker. Okay, now, as soon as they show up
on the scene, the deputy and the Justice peace of oh,
this is a big cat attack and we do have
them in the area.

Speaker 2 (02:28:44):
Okay, what you had to remember, folks, this is in
the dog Man Triangle, as small town Monsters puts it,
This is in that area. It's only as the crow
flies forty so miles from where I have my encounter.
It's only it's less than one hundred miles from where
we're doing our private dog man investigation.

Speaker 10 (02:29:06):
So yes, this is in that area now. So but
like I said, when they get on scene, the deputy
and the justice feace automatically say this is a big
cat attack. The game warden and their tracker says, no,

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this was not a cat attack. This is not how
cats attack, and there's no sign of a cat anywhere
in the neighborhood. We don't know what did this. That
disagreement made it into the paper about the attack. You
don't do that very often. So evidently there was a

(02:29:51):
journalist either there at.

Speaker 2 (02:29:54):
The scene or.

Speaker 10 (02:29:58):
A journalist that knew one of the participants. Okay, I
don't know how that came about, but I do know this.
Right after this happened, right after it hit the paper,
the body was cremated very very very very quick and
they leave the case open, so you can't get any
details about it. So but yeah, no, no cause of death.

(02:30:21):
I mean, the cause of death was listed as a
cat attack or animal attack whatever. So yeah, that's one
of the most fascinating cases I've read across and they're.

Speaker 5 (02:30:31):
Seeing and they're seeing it was a dog, ty Keenane
that did this.

Speaker 2 (02:30:35):
Not no, No, they're saying it was a cat.

Speaker 5 (02:30:38):
Oh a cat.

Speaker 10 (02:30:39):
Oh yeah, big cat that did this. But that's just
the deputy and the Justice the Peace that says that
the game warden and the tracker disagreed and says, no,
this was not a cat.

Speaker 2 (02:30:52):
We don't know what this is. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:30:55):
Cats will grab people by the back absolutely, not the front.

Speaker 2 (02:31:00):
That's just the way they hunt. Yeah, or a dog.

Speaker 5 (02:31:05):
I know because my dog, which was a wolf dog hybrid,
if somebody made him mad, he would grab them by
the throat.

Speaker 2 (02:31:17):
And his name was.

Speaker 5 (02:31:19):
Lobo, and I had like my brother, he said, oh, shake,
I said, I wouldn't ask him to shake. Johnny, don't
do it because you're not gonna like what's gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (02:31:30):
He said, Oh, you'll be fine.

Speaker 5 (02:31:32):
He's like shake. And my dog grabbed him by the
throat and shook him and I had to take him
to emergency room. It's like I told you, I'll never
forget that. But dogs often will get the throat, yes, absolutely,
which is interesting that cats go for the back of

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the neck and dogs go for the front. Are you
family with the Henry McCabe case?

Speaker 2 (02:32:00):
Not from I might know the case, but I don't
know the name.

Speaker 5 (02:32:02):
Well, you might want to study that, being interested in
this dog man's stuff. It's it's a case where the
guy was out. I trying to shorten this up. He
was out, he was having some drinks with friends. His
buddy dropped him off. As far as I know, he
took a shortcut through a very wooded area I would

(02:32:25):
never go into after night alone, not not alone at night,
no way. Too many big but reports and it's like
it's bad, Like there's no way i'd go back there.
And I've had a sighting back there that was mean
eveted broad daylight even. I mean, it's it's not the

(02:32:46):
place you can be walking through at night. And he
goes walking through there at night, and he calls and
leaves a message on that on his on the answering machine,
and all you hear is growl screaming have you not
heard this?

Speaker 2 (02:33:05):
Oh? It's it's all over it.

Speaker 5 (02:33:06):
I mean you can find it on the internet, all
over YouTube, and it's a real deal. I mean, it
was covered quite heavily by by the news here, the
local news name Henry McCabe. And of course there's no
answers as to what happened. You know, I've not seen

(02:33:26):
the autopsy report being released, but you can hear him.
You hear all this weird like growling and weird sounds
and him screaming, and at one point he even yells
stop it, you know, and who's he talking. Of course,
you can interpret it any way you want, but you know,

(02:33:50):
I'm certainly leaning towards one way. And then I think
they found him once again in a in a lake
after a month of searching. I don't believe he had
any water in his lungs. Of course they you know,
it was a drowning, but then they watered his lungs.

Speaker 2 (02:34:10):
As I remember.

Speaker 5 (02:34:11):
I could be wrong in all of this, but it's
a it's an interesting case.

Speaker 2 (02:34:18):
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 5 (02:34:19):
It's yeah, it's it's real. I tell you that, it's
definitely it's not. It's not made up. And uh, he
was a pretty well to do guy who was an
I R. S. Agent. But that that cut through, that
short walk where he went through, I wouldn't do if

(02:34:41):
someone paid me to do it. And because I know
what's back there, right, And they're back there in those
in those areas because people are generally are never in
those areas that night, and that's why they're kind of there.
And there's plenty of them there.

Speaker 10 (02:35:03):
Yeah, and that's a see, that's another thing that they
It doesn't look why they've.

Speaker 5 (02:35:18):
H it just kind of got buried. And here we
go find it and play it. That's great.

Speaker 10 (02:35:27):
Well, and here we go again. I mean, due to
the advance decomposition, the medical zamber couldn't conclusively determine the
cause of death or.

Speaker 5 (02:35:36):
The whole thing is the smacks of like something weird.
And they never released the full Here's what really bugged
me at pissed me off. They never released the full
call that he left in that recording, and they edited
it quite a bit. And what's on there, what they
gave us is horrid and spine ship chill. I can

(02:36:01):
only imagine what they held back.

Speaker 10 (02:36:03):
Well, you know, do you remember that football player? I
believe it was a football player that went missing and
that weird nine one one call that he left. No, okay,
this guy was I can't remember his name. I'm going
to look it up, but you could probably find it
just by looking for that information. But the case that

(02:36:24):
this was very similar. He just disappeared, but he it
was either a nine one one car or voicemail that
he was that he that he had left talking saying
don't leave me alone, that type of thing or whatever.
And the strange thing about it, these two cases are

(02:36:49):
very reminiscent of the stuff we're hearing about, like in
Houston and Austin.

Speaker 5 (02:36:53):
And yeah, and I always find people floating in the water,
that's the other word thing. Deve Steve uh get rid
of ladies. He had a case too where there were
all these young men found floating in these creeks or rivers.

Speaker 2 (02:37:11):
It's just weird.

Speaker 5 (02:37:12):
But never has there been a case where a guy
left a pocket dial where he pocket dialed and left
a message by accident on a recorders you can hear
what the hell the guy went through, right, And it ain't.
It's almost other Even the cops described it as otherworldly.

Speaker 8 (02:37:31):
M M.

Speaker 10 (02:37:32):
Yeah see, And that was the same It was the
same thing with this other case I'm talking about. So
it's I don't know, there's some strange stuff going on
out there. We don't have an ex nation for all of.

Speaker 5 (02:37:45):
It, Jeff, is there any way you can find that
recording and play.

Speaker 2 (02:37:50):
Look, I'm looking for it right now.

Speaker 5 (02:37:51):
You can just find it. Just Henry mccabees the nine one.
There's a voicemail. Just do it on your phone and
then you can just hold it up to the mic
and'd be the wickest.

Speaker 13 (02:38:00):
It's a lot.

Speaker 5 (02:38:03):
Oh you can't find it, no.

Speaker 2 (02:38:04):
I am. But there's there's a bunch of different there's a.

Speaker 5 (02:38:06):
Well, just they all play the recording, So trying to
find one where it chose the policeman standing and that
when the thumbnail at the beginning. You know, I know
a ton of people have made these long videos. It's hard, Yeah,

(02:38:27):
I know, and you know it's and it was actually
my son Blaine that brought it to the public's attention.
This case went crazy. I mean, nobody knew about it naturally,
and Blaine is the one that kind of got everything
blown up on this thing. Carl says, I'm listening from

(02:38:54):
the kitchen making salsa four Doug and Jeff, and I'm like,
bless your heart, that's so good.

Speaker 2 (02:39:02):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:39:03):
He's making He's making us cactus salsa.

Speaker 2 (02:39:07):
Oh wow. Nice.

Speaker 5 (02:39:11):
He's leaving the thorns in.

Speaker 2 (02:39:15):
I gotta have something to chew on.

Speaker 5 (02:39:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, leave it, don't leave the thorns in.
But yeah, I can only imagine all these things. Let
me try, Jeff, you can't just play anything. What's the difference.

Speaker 2 (02:39:27):
Well, I've got one here. I'm just I'm downloading it here.
Hold on.

Speaker 5 (02:39:29):
Oh yeah, okay, I want to keep people waiting too long.
It's it's worth listening to. But if you've got to meet.

Speaker 2 (02:39:39):
One here, I think I think this is a pretty
good one. All right, ready, go ahead.

Speaker 15 (02:39:45):
Henry McCabe. Now, Henry was from Minnesota. Now his disappearance
has potential clues hidden within an eerie voicemail. Thirty one
year old Henry McCabe went out to a nightclub in
spring Lake Park on the evening of September seventh, twenty fifteen.
So that evening, at two twenty eight am, Henry's wife Karen,

(02:40:08):
who had been away visiting California at the time, she
received uncomfortable, unsettling what the voicemail on her cell phone.
So on this voicemail, it features two minutes of a
strange you cannot make out what he's saying or what's
going on. There's moaning, there's groaning, there's screams, and there

(02:40:30):
are growls you hear on this voicemail like gurgling and
really hype pitched screams of just terror. Towards the end
of the voicemail, there is an abrupt moment of silence
before you hear a voice which could be heard saying
stop it, like it's a different voice. The last person
to have seen Henry was his friend who he had

(02:40:52):
been like with at the club, and this friend claimed
that he had dropped him off at a local gas station.
That was the last time this friend had seen. Police
check the gas station video footage and they don't see
this friend dropping Henry off, but they also don't have
any evidence that's pointing to the friend. So police and
volunteers thoroughly search the area, but they can't find any

(02:41:15):
sign of Henry. Investigators were able to find the location
of the final call. Final call was determined to not
be anywhere near where the friend claimed that he had
dropped Henry off. The phone had been like pinged miles
opposite of the location that was mentioned. Authorities search the
area where the phone peined, and not a shred of

(02:41:37):
evidence was found on November fourth, twenty fifteen, Henry's body
was discovered floating in Does she.

Speaker 2 (02:41:45):
Ever play the record? Well, that's what I'm wondering here,
let me find it. Does I thought this.

Speaker 5 (02:41:52):
Was I would just go on here what I would do, Jeff,
go on your phone and they just scroll through it
to you hear the y you see that what do
you call those?

Speaker 2 (02:42:00):
Uh, the oscillation bar?

Speaker 5 (02:42:03):
And then you'll know they're playing the recording and just
play that part of it.

Speaker 2 (02:42:08):
Yeah, this is a misleading video. Sorry about that. There's
so many of them.

Speaker 5 (02:42:12):
That's fine. No, she gave a good background on it.
She did a good job there, and so that's great.
Now we're all waiting for the recording.

Speaker 2 (02:42:21):
Okay, here, I think I found one that is just
I think this I think this one is just what
do you think texts? All right, let's see if you
can hear this. That's not it, chief, Sorry, that's not

(02:42:54):
it's hard without any prep to fine, that's not it.

Speaker 5 (02:43:00):
Like, it's not like somebody was making fun of it
and do it made up their own here, let me try,
I will.

Speaker 2 (02:43:07):
Yeah, it's just it's just there's just so much garbage.

Speaker 5 (02:43:12):
Just all you gotta do is search for the actual recording.

Speaker 2 (02:43:15):
That's what I'm trying to do. Oh, it's and there's
just so much garbage.

Speaker 5 (02:43:20):
Okay, so let me let me do this. I'm sorry.
Let's us to see the junk I start and then
it it doesn't pan out.

Speaker 2 (02:43:31):
Yeah, that's what I'm That's what i'm finding here too.
Are you are used to with us? Text? Your mic
is off text?

Speaker 5 (02:43:45):
Your your mic is off.

Speaker 2 (02:43:50):
Text, you're muted? Your mic is sorry? I had muted
it when playing the video. Okay, I'm sorry. And Jack
over here. So yeah, every clip I find is that

(02:44:11):
it's all edit. It's either editorializing it or I found it.

Speaker 14 (02:44:41):
Mh.

Speaker 5 (02:44:43):
I'm gonna tell you right now, that is not the recording. Yeah,
Like I said, that is not the recording. I know
the recording, trust me, that is not it. That is
something made up, Yes, that somebody made up to sensationalize
something that is not it. And I'm just like, what

(02:45:06):
in the is it? I'm kind of wondering because the
actual growing is so otherworldly? Has this been erased? You
know what I'm saying? Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:45:18):
The original pardon wouldn't be the first time exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:45:25):
Oh my god, I can't believe that I gonna.

Speaker 10 (02:45:28):
I mean, look at the look at the the famous garbage,
the garbage, uh, the dumpster footage of suppose a bigfoot
from the casino up in in Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (02:45:42):
It hit the news and then it was gone. Yeah,
and you can't find.

Speaker 10 (02:45:45):
Any yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:45:55):
All I can find is people talking about it. Yeah,
I'm looking.

Speaker 5 (02:46:02):
Yeah, I know, it's just maybe I phoned it here
from a more reliable source. Yeah, this is the real one. Okay,
I got the real one now, friends, and then I okay,

(02:46:23):
hold on here, I don't rewind it now.

Speaker 14 (02:46:30):
Now police are thinking, okay, I.

Speaker 5 (02:46:37):
Don't want to play.

Speaker 2 (02:46:45):
Now, police are thinking, you know what, it's.

Speaker 11 (02:46:47):
A grown man.

Speaker 14 (02:46:48):
I can't get it.

Speaker 2 (02:47:00):
And the police are thinking, you know what, that was
some of it.

Speaker 5 (02:47:04):
But what I did play was the original hear that
that kind of gury growling, really otherworldly?

Speaker 2 (02:47:11):
Yeah, okay for that. Yeah, I just I can't find
anything that's not It's sad. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:47:21):
Well, and it's like and absolutely what AP says here,
you know, for all we know, this is part of
the cover, you know, making it, you know, scrub trying
to scrub the internet. You can't scrub the internet. Put
a bunch of false crap out there. Yeah, you can't
tell the difference.

Speaker 5 (02:47:36):
Yeah, there was definitely some false lost in the noise.

Speaker 2 (02:47:41):
Yeah lost, He goes, Yeah, Google made it go away.

Speaker 5 (02:47:46):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:47:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:47:50):
So kind of the last thing for any skeptics that
are listening. And you know, we were talking a little
bit about dog Man, what would be the most powerful
thing you could do as an elevator pitch to convince
somebody dog Man's real?

Speaker 2 (02:48:11):
Dog Man? Yeah, dog Man? I don't know.

Speaker 10 (02:48:17):
Question, there's there's such a lack of physical evidence.

Speaker 5 (02:48:21):
H yeah, right, but but okay, but you're in an
elevator with a guy. He just says, hey, do you
believe in dog Man? You go, yeah, I've seen one.
How do you convince him that you know what happened
to you and what you saw was real?

Speaker 10 (02:48:35):
Well, you know, I guess like I, like I've said
in the past, if I was going to make something up,
it would have it would have been a big foot
because I would have been so much easier to explain,
it would have been more acceptable, you know. And why
if if this was fake, why would I stay silent

(02:48:56):
for so many years?

Speaker 2 (02:48:59):
You know?

Speaker 10 (02:49:00):
And what is it that I have to gain by
making this public because I lost credibility in my professional
life doing this, So why does it make sense for
me to do this at all?

Speaker 2 (02:49:16):
You know?

Speaker 10 (02:49:18):
Other than that, I mean, I don't know, there's no
way I can. I guess you're you're trapped kind of
convincing people that you're not a liar is what it
comes down to. And that's unfortunate. You know, not that
these things are real, but you end up convincing, trying

(02:49:39):
to convince people that you're not a liar. You're defending
yourself more than the subject, which is sad.

Speaker 2 (02:49:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:49:47):
Yeah, well, I mean we're still kind of there, even
defending yourself, even with with mountains of physical evidence.

Speaker 10 (02:49:54):
Right, I mean, I've got you know, well, Doug, you've
seen the fingerprints. Those are I mean, that's just phenomenal.
As far as I'm concerned, You're never going to convince
me otherwise. And then when you slap them up against
what's what they just found in France, you know, and
they matched the freaking Neanderthal what they're calling Neanderthal fingerprints

(02:50:15):
that came off that cave painting from forty eight thousand
years ago. I can't tell you what these things were.
I didn't see what was making the prince, but whatever
made the prints on my truck in twenty twenty three
made the same damn prince back forty eight thousand years
ago on a cave wall in France.

Speaker 2 (02:50:32):
Yeah, you know, it's just a coincidence, that's all it is.
It was it was a bear, absolutely, Yeah, that's what
I thought.

Speaker 13 (02:50:48):
He choked me up.

Speaker 5 (02:50:51):
All right, we're gonna wrap it up here, but just
gotta get up early in the morning's already ready, probably
ready to kill me.

Speaker 2 (02:50:57):
I'm good, We're good. The things. Everyone for following us
a Sunday. I sure appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (02:51:02):
Yeah, that was great. I don't I don't know what
to say, but yeah, we're very grateful. We appreciate it.
Thank you text for kind of uh, you know, mixing
the darkness of men with the darkness of the dog
man topic.

Speaker 2 (02:51:22):
It's yeah, I'm really referred to your book. I'm keeping
out for it. Yeah, as soon as I thought I
had a definite date and then we will.

Speaker 5 (02:51:32):
We will plug it when it comes out, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (02:51:34):
Will because yeah, I'm following me, I said, I said,
Notice when it comes out, I'll know and I'll definitely,
I'll definitely Doug know yep.

Speaker 5 (02:51:44):
And then Jeff's going to share it with me.

Speaker 2 (02:51:46):
Yes, we're cheap.

Speaker 10 (02:51:51):
Well, I think as far as book too. And then
of course I'm in the middle of writing another book,
you know, and it's my experiences going when we found
the fingerprints. Oh okay, but you know, I don't know.
I know somebody that is in a publishing company.

Speaker 2 (02:52:13):
Somebody is that. If you want to if you want
to do it, if you want to do it right,
let me know.

Speaker 10 (02:52:19):
Oh, I'll plan on it, brother, plan on it. You
don't be the first one to go to.

Speaker 5 (02:52:24):
Well, let's do our. Let's do our Wisdom of the week.
We got a double one tonight, and then just stay
just stay with.

Speaker 2 (02:52:30):
Though everybody, Hank Tight will be right back.

Speaker 8 (02:52:33):
It's now time for untold radio and Wisdom of the week.
You know, folks, Quiet doesn't mean empty. Don't mistake quiet
days for wasted ones. Growth isn't always loud. Sometimes peace
is the sound of your life finally catching its breath.

Speaker 2 (02:52:48):
And remember this.

Speaker 8 (02:52:49):
Good friends don't demand your time, They earn it through understanding.
The older you get, the more you realize that true
friendship isn't about constant contact.

Speaker 2 (02:52:59):
It's about still care. Good night.

Speaker 8 (02:53:01):
We hope to see you all next week. If you
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Speaker 5 (02:53:25):
Good naments always and texts well, thank you, text and
thank you every time I talk to you.

Speaker 2 (02:53:31):
It's just like it's great, my mind's I was blown.
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:53:37):
You're a brilliant man, and I'm glad that you're putting
some of your some of your brilliant stone on paper.

Speaker 2 (02:53:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:53:45):
That's another way to hit a whole section of people
that would never listen to even a podcast. It really is. Yeah,
and someday these books will be extremely important. Yeah, aren't
more important than they are even now.

Speaker 10 (02:54:05):
I'm looking forward to I got a lot of I
told you then I'm going to hand out once. Let's
just come when all this stuff comes out of the
shat you.

Speaker 5 (02:54:16):
Have, do you have those little certificates that you can handle?

Speaker 13 (02:54:20):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (02:54:21):
You know? That's a great idea.

Speaker 5 (02:54:23):
Yeah, it'd be hilarious. Somebody should make them and solved.
There's your business idea of the day. Okay, good night, everybody,
Thank you again. We'll be here next Sunday.

Speaker 2 (02:54:34):
Say thanks again, everybody. Yep, good night, good night.

Speaker 11 (02:54:39):
Call you up in the middle of the night and
bothered by dreams and feeling all day.

Speaker 3 (02:54:47):
You give me comfort, say just give.

Speaker 12 (02:54:49):
It some time. By the end of my talk, and
feeling just fine. You have always when we be the
single ordinarysm we got.

Speaker 6 (02:55:05):
Go in all.

Speaker 9 (02:55:10):
I'll pick you up in the fifteen hour forard we
head on down the road.

Speaker 2 (02:55:16):
Two we are Ford, just.

Speaker 6 (02:55:19):
Swinging in the sun and bow wind.

Speaker 16 (02:55:22):
If the ancious pop cally whad on home again.

Speaker 3 (02:55:26):
Everybody has chancey, when we've been.

Speaker 6 (02:55:30):
Long in ordinary, we got go in all.

Speaker 9 (02:55:40):
At the end of the world together forever its n
in our way. I better you should be in town
in our prey. We never compose a part in allway.

Speaker 6 (02:55:56):
All the time.

Speaker 11 (02:55:57):
When would be together, we never every day, but I know.

Speaker 16 (02:56:02):
It fever would be less straight out on my way
back home to shoot again.

Speaker 6 (02:56:13):
At the end of.

Speaker 12 (02:56:28):
The world together forever as well alway it ever you.

Speaker 11 (02:56:34):
Should be endowed or compary. They never compose a part
in Norway. But the end of the world together.

Speaker 6 (02:56:46):
Forever is fond in Norway.

Speaker 9 (02:56:49):
The feathers we should be endowed in Hollway, they never
compose a.

Speaker 16 (02:56:55):
Part in Holway. At a time big together, we never
retain every hand those we never

Speaker 6 (02:57:05):
Would be a straight and all from way back go
to you again

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