Untold Radio AM #268 Mormon Encounters With Bigfoot & Paranormal with John Hajicek

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Tonight's guest.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Looking back on life than to leave him then resting.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
A hole in the crowd, stick around through the crane,
the feeling wore the fire you're dancing around.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Oh hear is the sound of treating, and no one
cares where.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
He's coming from.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
My ears is no ding feeding.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I guess me on you from the start. He dance,
not go.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
You're one of these days, no weed the world, look
at plances.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
What a sast.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
He's test my firm, my leaning, the fuse of the ashes,

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the spirits not.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
Up cooking down the house.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
We're life from the Untold Radio Network. It's Untold Radio
Am with Monster Quest producer host Doug Hichek and co
host Jeff Pirella Junior. Untold Radio A M is going
live right now. This show is for entertainment purposes only. Yep,

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that's the ticket.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Now Here are your Untold Radio AM hosts Doug Hihcheck
and Jeff Carella Jr.

Speaker 7 (02:22):
Hello everyone, Hello, Jeff and everyone.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, Sunday. So I'm still weird it out by son.

Speaker 7 (02:31):
Very much, Yeah, very much. It is very bratrange.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Still seems strange. Anyhow, It's got to catch my breath.
It's been one of those days. It was the Halloween weekend,
which is always busy. And then today Eric talked me
into working, so I worked all day.

Speaker 7 (02:54):
I was pretty lazy. Today it was great.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
You know, I was working hard today.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
I worked hard yesterday.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Today was I was getting rid of rust. Ah, it's
a fun.

Speaker 7 (03:07):
Job, always fun. Rust is the worst.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yes, anyhow, Okay, tonight we've got episode to six eight November. No,
it's to six. Did I you had just another one hundred?

Speaker 7 (03:26):
Yeah? I might have made a mistake there, I can
fix it. I put three sixty eight. Yeah that's not right.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
No, you were tired, aren't you. Yeah, it's all right,
but I do hope everybody had a great Halloween. And
then the kids had fun and all that, and I
got to take my two and a half year old
granddaughter trigger treating, which was a real joy. I mean
that really was. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:52):
It was so cute.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
And she yeah, she's so friendly. She had like the
creepiest costumes go by and you just go, Hi, that's awesome,
totally cool. Yeah, she was great anyhow, So that was fun.
And then, uh, she'd always say every time she got
a piece of candy in her bag, she goes dad,
I got you another another piece of candy. Her dad

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was stealing it out of her bag and eating it anyhow.
Uh So tonight we have John Hijack. So it's Hicheck
and Hicheck tonight.

Speaker 7 (04:29):
I how to spell it? Yeah, we're not going to
spell it right. I could spell. And this is my right.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
This is my nephew. It's my brother's son, my brother,
my older brother, my oldest brother. It was no longer
with us, but this is his amazing son John. And
we're going to talk about the Bigfoot and other paranormal
topics and how they relate to the Mormon religion because

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John is a Mormon in historian.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
Interesting, this is area of expertise. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
And it was weird because he goes, oh, did you
know the meldrum meldrums? And I'm like yeah, and he goes, oh,
I knew them. So it's just funny all that, you know,
It's it gets weird now. It's such a small world.

Speaker 7 (05:22):
I loved in multiple communities.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yes, yes, And so we're gonna get into that and
talk even about you might even mention, Uh, I'm just
can walk a ranch a bit tonight. But we've got
a lot to cover. We've got uh tech breakdown.

Speaker 7 (05:40):
Yeah, I'm excited about that. I'll be doing that and
it's a really cool product that I think everyone's gonna love.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, fast and weird news, or is it weird and fast?

Speaker 7 (05:50):
Weird and fast?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Okay, good, I haven't backwards, So we're gonna do that.
We've got a little trivia and some other stuff.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
So we get ready for trivia. Make sure your internet
is fast.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yes, and we're going to give away something nice for fun,
but not a contest.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
Not a contest, not a price.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Not a price either. Oh my god. And if you noticed,
we don't have any tongues hanging out tonight.

Speaker 7 (06:19):
I did notice that pictures.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Although the first one looks kind of like it. Yeah,
all right, let's get into a weird and fast.

Speaker 7 (06:28):
Weird and fast news. Here we go.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
It's time for weird and fast news.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
First up, what do you think it is? It's the
naked mole rat is making.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Your notes have the perfect name for it, the perpetually
odd naked mole rat. That's yes, perfect description. Perpetually And
that's believe it or not, that's a really flattering picture
of one. They're not cute, don't they? Yeah? That's that's
like on a good day. That's a good picture there.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Oh my god. So apparently, okay, there's a breakthrough with
these little dudes. Scientists have been studying the perpetual odd
naked morat. They have found something almost sci fi within
its cells. Apparently their cells seem to repair DNA better
than most mammals. Right, so we could use some naked

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morat juice juff you can pass anyhow, Apparently its cells
seem to repair DNA better than most mammals, slowing aging
and disease. Researchers have isolated a very special version of
a protein linked to cellular repair. That would be nice

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if that becomes available to all of us that are
getting up there and yours right, you could have jet
black hair again up just one couple of naked rat juice.
Oh my god. So apparently they have been testing it

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with fruit flies and the results fruitflies are living longer too.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
So apparently they've got this natural cellular pit crew that
never sleeps. And this is apparently kind of weird because
the naked mole rat already breaks biological rules. Yeah, rarely
gets cancer, it hardly ever feels pain. It lives four
to five times longer than similar sized creatures. Uh, and

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it's practically handing us the blueprint for doing the same.

Speaker 7 (08:51):
So there you go. So, there you go, the naked
mole rat. We have to look at it anymore?

Speaker 3 (08:59):
No, oh my god? Anyhow, Okay, the next we have
the apparently an AI chip that was designed by AI
that works better and regular you know chips, computer chips,
but that nobody understands how it works because it looks

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like spaghetti to them under a microscope. Okay, so we're
going to talk about this spaghetti circuit boards. So it
says researchers, let AI design a wireless chip and the
results look like someone spilled spaghetti out a circuit board,
yet they work better than the very neat organized human designs.

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Engineers admit they don't fully understand how the layout and
function of this thing it works. It's like we invented
a genius, told it to do homework, and then came
back with hieroglyphics that somehow get us an A plus,
but then raises wild philosophical technological questions. So the question

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is will future machines be built by systems that we
don't understand?

Speaker 7 (10:17):
The terrible idea.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
That is a what could go wrong building machines, you know,
hardwired things that we don't even understand how they were.

Speaker 7 (10:26):
We've already had rogue ais that kind of do their
own thing. That's yeah, mm hmm, that's a terrible idea.
Let's let's not do that.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
So apparently this uh alien looking silicon brain that that's
been developed has been outperforming every blueprint they've ever drafted.
Idea we made it says, we made a machine that
makes machines. We can't understand. Think about that. We made
a machine that makes machines. We don't know stand.

Speaker 7 (10:58):
What could we get? Guy in it? Not good? Yes?

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Next? Next, and it's the stain I should say damn
through I Atlas and I'm sick of hearing about.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
Yeah, this is the crazy stuff, man, but it's.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Still in the news, so I'm going to talk about it.
They're now calling it this speed demon from space because
this thing is hauling now at two one hundred kilometers
an hour. Can you translate that, Jeff, that's what one
hundred and fifty maybe thousand miles an hour something like

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that like that, one hundred and twenty, one hundred and
fifty somewhere between one hundred and twenty one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
Miles per hour its moving.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Apparently that's the kind of speed you only see in
sci fi hyperspace scenes, or when your tools follow up
the workbench and roll into one spot that you can't reach,
which is always every time. Ye Apparently this saying is
just breaking all of the physical things that we know

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about any object this, you know, And they're still arguing.
Some still think it's a ship because the way it's.

Speaker 7 (12:16):
What do you think, I'm kind of prepared for anything.
I've kind of prepared for anything, and I kind of
don't believe anything that I'm being told, So who knows?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
It says? It says, whatever or whoever launched this thing thing?
And was it a stellar explosion, a gravitational slingshot, or
alien engineering really punched the throttle. Objects like this give
us rare physics lessons and how things move between star systems.

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It's a cosmic express mail with no return address, so
we don't know where it's from. And then of course
the chemistry is also perplexing them, it says. Once scientists
pointed the James Webb telescope at three I Atlas they
expected a normal icy traveler. Instead, they got chemistry that

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doesn't match comments born anywhere around our sun. They're getting
extreme CO two levels, implying formation near a blazing star
or a strange radiation heavy region. So this means this
object didn't just travel here, right, So here we go.

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All right, Well we'll see if it lands. It's heading
our way. All right. There's another thing that one could
go wrong. Ancient frozen microbes have woken up. Scientists revived
on purpose microbes from deep Arctic permafrost, and the first

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thing they did, they start pumping out CO two like
tiny biological factories. It's like walk looking up to a
prehistoric sour dough starter and realizing it wants to terraform
the planet, and maybe not in our favor. So apparently,

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the speed at which these microbes kicked into metabolic high
gear shows how tightly climate and biology are linked. As
more frozen earth thaws, more ancient life kicks in the gear.
So there you go, frozen Earth, I just have news
for you. Frozen Earth has been son since since comments

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were born. It's never never stopped, all right, So hopefully
they don't let those little frozen dudes.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
Go little frozen zombies.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Weird little frozen zombies. And now there's a tech conference
and I've gone to like Napty and I went to
one electronics showing Vegas and they are just mind blowing.

Speaker 7 (15:02):
Right, that'd be fun to go to. I'd love to
do that. Yeah, I've been to different trade shows, but
I've never been to electronics when that would be a riot.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
They're crazy. So this is a global conference. Apparently it's
growing at arp speed. It's called GUYE Techs, one of
the world's biggest tech and AI conferences. Apparently it's multiplying
like Wi Fi on spots and a college dorm. Uh,

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launching new global additions in Europe and beyond. These events
break startups, inventors, and industry titans into one arena. So
there you go. If you want to go to an
AI conference, go to. Yeah, they call it the Comic
Con for AI.

Speaker 7 (15:48):
That'd be awesome.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Oh, and then scientists this is kind of a weird one.
Scientists discover a toe ode that turns neon yellow for
just two days. So it turns us color only for
two days. Uh. It says there's a species of toad.
It's in India that pulls the ultimate glow up literally

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for two days a year during the monsoon mating. I
would pick a better time to mate than the monsoon
rainy season. Yeah, it's spot it's hiss uh spontaneous, spontan God,
say that word spontaneous, geniously, thank you, turns uh glowing

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neon yellow like it's headed to a raven. Raven. The
rainforest scientists think the color chain helps attract mates in
the muddy waters where visibility is low. So there you go.

Speaker 7 (16:50):
Wow, that's weird and fast, that's it's weird.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
And then we have the Then we have the weird
fact of the week.

Speaker 7 (16:56):
Weird fact.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's really weird too, super weird.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
It's now time for untold radio weird Fact of the week.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
That is kind of weird. Throw it up there, it is,
throw it up good. Trace the words.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
So this is the hide and Heida hide Nora.

Speaker 7 (17:25):
Take a stab Africa, Africana. So say it again, Africa Nora. Yeah,
I guess I really don't know anyhow.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
This is a parasitic plant that lives entirely underground. It
only bursts up when it's ready to stink up the neighborhood.
It smells literally like poop and and it's apparently smells
like poop to attract dung loving beetles, which are its pollinators.

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But apparently, uh, this plant smells like a sewer, uh,
it says. So here's some facts about this strange, weird plant.
This plant does zero photosynthesis, so it does not use
the sun to convert the sun into energy. Instead, it
steals all of its nutrients from the roots of other plants.

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So it's parasitic. Uh, it's a botanical vampire, it says. Here.
It lives underground most of its life, and you could
walk over it for you know, for years and years
and never know it's even there, and then it erupts
from the soil when it's time to flower, like in
a horror movie jump jumps scare kind of like if

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you see mushrooms do this overnight, they'll just ye like
they'll wait underground too forever and all of a sudden, like,
how is that possible, ye for a mushroom to be
you know, four inches high in one day?

Speaker 7 (18:55):
I get a lot.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make sense. Okay, So it lives
underground most of its life. It traps insects, dung beetles,
crawl inside, thinking they found a poop heaven. The flower
then clamps shut on them, and so they get so
Then the course they get coated in pollen, and then

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the plant releases them like later on, like days later.
It'll keep these dung beetles inside them, and then it'll
on clamp when they're fully coated with pollen. Apparently it
looks like an alien organ, like a monster mouth. Botanists

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call it bizarre and creepy. Locals call it a jackal
food because sometimes jackals will nod. It has edible parts.
In some regions people eat the fruit. It's said to
taste like dry, sticky potatoes. What the hell is that

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sticky potato?

Speaker 8 (20:00):
No?

Speaker 7 (20:00):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Uh? So, apparently there's people out there willing to need
a poop flower. A poop flower that tastes like a potato.
It takes years to bloom, five to seven years before
it'll show itself, and sometimes ten years. And it's a
relative to no other plants that belongs to a tiny

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ancient plant family called the hydro norac. Say, yeah, that
apparently looks like a planet at all. There you go.
So if plants had cryptids, this would be a cryptid plant.

Speaker 7 (20:42):
Yeah, you know what. It just reminded me of a
really bad dad joke. Would you like to hear it?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah? Sure, go ahead.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
What's brown and sounds like a bell?

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I don't know, dung dung? God, that's pretty good. It's
pretty good. It's so bad, it's good. It's good timing
on your dunge joke. Do you like how AI made
the flowers? Uh, they're a little inside of the flower.
It looked like, uh.

Speaker 7 (21:10):
Yeah, Neroine, No, that's not that's not comment. All right, Next.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Up, Uh, let's do let's do this quick audience trivia. Sure,
and then we'll do tech breakdown, which you're going to do.
I'm honored that Jeff is.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to talking about this. But let's uh,
let's let's get let me pull the comments up here.
Let's get two people that have never done trivia before.
I want to get some new blood here. Let's get uh,
let's do some trivia.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's now time for untold Radio a m audience trivia.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
Who wants to play?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I just had some cold water?

Speaker 7 (22:02):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
I got a little bit of tea left cold microplastics water.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Apparently a little bit of Earl Gray left love it Okay, triva,
So who's playing? Who's who's Uh, let's get some new
people here.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Apparently. Uh, the trivia is kind of timely because we're
getting into the season of cold and flu and the
trivia is about Kleenex.

Speaker 7 (22:28):
Cleenex trivia, Kleenex. I meant here every day.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
No, it's really interesting though.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
Some people to play. Come on, somebody, somebody jump in here.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Steamboat goes? I suck at this? Nice?

Speaker 7 (22:48):
Anyone? Anyone? Come on? Who wants to place in trivia?
Maybe we will have to use somebody who's on it before.
It doesn't so steamboat, a steamboat wants to go in? Steamboat?
I'm not sure who's all right? Steamboat? And who else?
Somebody wants to steamboat?

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Go on? You can win not a contest.

Speaker 7 (23:11):
You can't. You can You cannot win a contest and
not get.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
A contest, and we probably won't send you a prize.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
Send you. It's not a price. It's not a contest.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
No, it's not, says a label play again, all right, Yeah,
what do I else? I say, leg and it's Lee. Sorry?
Lee is not a contestant, right exactly.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
That's a good one. Kim not a contestant.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Okay, somebody's just pumped in there. Little Susie smokes, what
can you read that? We can have to repeats smokebe
Let's do three people?

Speaker 7 (24:01):
Yeah, so we got three? We got we got steam
boat Lee? Well just say little.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
And then or Lee? Why do I keep?

Speaker 7 (24:12):
I have no idea? All right? Let her rip? I
mean know I can. I can play some background music.
You're two for you?

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Who else? Who else is it?

Speaker 7 (24:22):
We've got Lee and Susie?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
All right? Are you ready?

Speaker 7 (24:33):
Got our fun tribute music going on?

Speaker 8 (24:34):
Here?

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Are you ready?

Speaker 7 (24:37):
I am ready?

Speaker 3 (24:38):
All right? Guys? What product was Kleenex originally invented for?
These are multiple choice? Was it make up removal cleaning glasses,
gas mask filters or cold and flu use makeup remover

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cleaning glasses? Gas mask filters are cold and flu use?
What was the product Kleenex originally invented for?

Speaker 7 (25:12):
All right? Steamboat said, yeah, what to do? Let's see
your Steamboat said called flu Le said.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Glass cleaner.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
Well, nobody got it right, you go, he got it right.
They guessed everything.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
But so they're all dying. Okay, number two in what decade?

Speaker 7 (25:38):
Well, just to be clear, the answer is gas mask
filters oh yeah, yeah, yea yeah, and no one, no
one got it right, yeah, no point.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
For you gas mask filters? All right? And what dick
decade did Kleenex first hit the market? Was it nineteen ten,
nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties or nineteen forties, nineteen tens seteen twenties,
nineteen thirties or nineteen forties? First person to get that right?

Speaker 7 (26:16):
Steamboat said? Forties? Lee said, the teens, what does little
Susie say? I got that song in my head? But
little Susie, come on, Susie, what's your answer? And so

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little Susie is right? Nineteen twenties, So one point for
little Susie. Nice job, So we go one.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
They're all right? Which company owns the Kleenex brand? Is
it Proctor and Gamble, Kimberly, Clark, Unilever, s or s C. Johnson?
Who owns the Kleenex brand? Is it Proctor and Gamble, Kimberly, Clark, Unilever,

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s C.

Speaker 8 (27:29):
Johnson's one of those, Steamboat said Lee said, waiting a
little Susie for you make a hopefully an educated guess.

Speaker 7 (27:56):
Johnson. Once again, everybody's wrong, Okay, Andrew is right Kimberly
Clark is the right answer. And unfortunately Andre wasn't on
the list of plays. Andrew and Andrew and that's like me.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
It's like saying vinegar for vinegar.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
That's how it's spelled.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Oh my god.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
Okay, answer is Kimberly Clark, Yes, Andrew. So we're a
little Susie one. That's it.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Next up, all right, and the next is Clinics was
first marketed as a disposable substitute for what was it? Napkins,
cotton pads, handkerchiefs, or towels. Clinics was first marketed as
a disposable substitute for what napkins, cotton pads, handkerchiefs, or towels.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
Well get next time at Carl, What hasn't Carl done?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
I did some work for sc Johnson, He says, never
underestimate the drawing, drawing allure of Ruscine Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 (29:11):
Yes, Carlson everything, He's amazing. Well, so much fun hanging
out with him at the Big Book conference. We to
blast alrighty, So.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
I haven't been Steamboat says handkerchiefs.

Speaker 7 (29:28):
It's here, wells, Steamboat, little Susie about this? They're both right, okay,
We'll give them both the point. Why not? All right,
so's two to one, little Susie with two steamboat one?

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All right?

Speaker 3 (29:50):
What year did Kleenex introduce the pop up tissue box?
What year did Kleenex introduce the pop up tissue box?
Was it nineteen twenty four, nineteen twenty eight, nineteen thirty five,
or nineteen forty four? So is it A B, C

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or D. Nineteen twenty four is A, nineteen twenty eight
is B nineteen thirty five C, and nineteen forty four
is D.

Speaker 7 (30:24):
At least at forty four? Steamboats at forty four? And
what does little Susie say? Forty four? And they are
all wrong? Uh sorry, no points for any of you.
Squatch My mom was right though, twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah. The right answer, of course is nineteen twenty eight.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
Of course, it's obvious.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, it's just so obvious things we think about every day.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
Everybody knew that I'm hoping on Thanksgiving dinner.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
You can recall one of these.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
Questions every year we talk about the history of Kleenex.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
It's a pretty com Oh yeah, argue about it and debate. Yeah,
all right, Kleenics got its name from what word was
the word clean? A? Was it clean? B clear, C
clean with a K? Or D cloth? What word or

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what got its name? Kleenex got its name from? What
word clean? Clear? Clean? Or cloth?

Speaker 7 (31:35):
Steamboat says C clean with a K, says cloth. Little
Susie who needs faster Internet says C again, you're all wrong.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Can you imagine hanging your head down low because you
don't know Kleenex? Trivina going to bed, just feeling like
a loser, because.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
All right, no shame? Who would know that? Who the
heck would know this?

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, it's clean to be something.

Speaker 7 (32:10):
If we had somebody in the chat who like, actually
was a Kleenex expert, probably Carl, that would be something else.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Well, he damn.

Speaker 7 (32:18):
Here was.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Which slogan made Kleenex famous early on? Was it? Was
it A because it's because you're worth it, B don't
put a cold in your pocket, or C softness you
can feel, or D catch life, catch life's messes. Sorry,

(32:43):
my mouse arrow is over the answer. I was like,
what catch life's messes? So A because you're worth it,
B don't put a cold in your pocket, CE soft
as you can feel, or D you catch life's messes?

Speaker 7 (33:01):
All right? Lean steam bubble said, see stop as you
can feel? What does thot? Susie say? See all three
guess the same and they all guessed wrong, wrong, good pocket.
That's a pretty good slogan.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
But do you I have a little Susie in the lead.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
By one point two to one?

Speaker 3 (33:24):
And then Lee, I don't think has any.

Speaker 7 (33:27):
A whole lot of fail Susie isn't the lead?

Speaker 3 (33:32):
All right?

Speaker 7 (33:34):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (33:37):
No?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
It's uh? What item did many people mistakenly start using
klinics for leading leading the company to shift marketing? What
item did many people mistakenly start using Kleenexes for leading
the company to shift marking? Was it wiping tables for

(33:59):
a B, blowing noses see polishing shoes or d washing hands?
What did many people mistakenly start using Kleenex for? Come on?
Who got it? Uh? Bait? I think Lee got it right?

(34:25):
Lee got it?

Speaker 7 (34:26):
Said c Well, that's a pretty clear wind for Lee
right out of the gate. There you go, Lee, So
Lee is on the board.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
You're on the board now tied with.

Speaker 7 (34:38):
Steam tied for last steamboat only one point way.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, here we go. What material are most Kleenex tissues
made from? Is it a cotton b? Woodball, but see
linen fibers or is it d synthetic blend? What materials
are most Kleenex tissues made from a cotton b wood pull, seal,

(35:03):
linen fibers or the synthetic blend?

Speaker 7 (35:15):
All right, Steamboat, said Blee, said b What is Suslee?

Speaker 3 (35:19):
It is?

Speaker 7 (35:20):
By all said be kind of at the same time.
So I'm just give them all a point. How that sound.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
No? Because Steamboat was first.

Speaker 7 (35:33):
They were all right, but they're all they are pretty
much the same time. First you're gonna give the steamboat?
All right, Yeah, we'll give Steambo a point. So Steamboat
and Little Susie are tied at two. We have very
strict rules here.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, we make them up as we go.

Speaker 7 (35:48):
Not not a contest, because it's very exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
That's why we do that, because it's not a contest.
All right.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
What which country famously uses the word kleenics generically for
all tissues? Is it the United States?

Speaker 8 (36:09):
Is that?

Speaker 7 (36:09):
Japan?

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Is it Germany or Brazil? So A is the United States,
b is Japan, C is Germany, and he is Brazil.
Which country just genetically calls every tissue cleenic exactly generically
and genetically both genetically engineering.

Speaker 7 (36:30):
All right, they all got it right us, but Lee
was first, So we'll give a point to Lee. We're
gonna play by the strict rules here, because why not.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
High tied tide.

Speaker 7 (36:46):
Uh No, I got three for Lee, three for Li Susi,
and two for Steamboag.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Really so Lee pulled ad or we can go.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
Whatever you have too, because I adver Ti TI tipe. Okay,
let's call it the three way tie. I'm okay with that.
It's not a costry.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
See that's proof.

Speaker 7 (37:05):
It's not a contest, not a contest, completely arbitrary for
no reason.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I like the way you say that, Jeff. I like
the way you say that. Not a contest.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
Well, I have to emphasize that we don't want to
get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
The way you say it, though, it's just so perfect.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
It's not a contest, not a contest, not a contest
the purpose only so it was so no wagering. Let's
see here we need we need a tiebreaker question.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Oh yeah, I'm looking for I got advanced KLEENICX trivia.

Speaker 7 (37:39):
Are you ready for the clinic experts? We know they're
out there.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yes, what was the original brand name? KLEENICX was launched
under in nineteen twenty four.

Speaker 7 (37:52):
Was it.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Sell you cotton for a b CO text cleansing toilets
see cleanup tissue with a K or D kerchief dash X.

Speaker 7 (38:15):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Or you could say kerchief right.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
Kerchief X.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I haven't heard that name in so many years, have
you kerchief?

Speaker 8 (38:24):
No?

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah? I remember my grandfather seeing that once in a while.
He hand me my kerchief.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
All right, So.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
So is it cell you sell you cotton? Ecox cleanup
tissue D kerchief? Kerchief?

Speaker 7 (38:48):
Steamboat? Let's see here steamboats? See you are all wrong?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Okay, next, what wartime innovation?

Speaker 7 (38:57):
Lauder the right answer. We're just forget about.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
It's good kerchiefs I X.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
That just does have the same ring as Kleenex.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
I know kerchief X. That's I was originally marketed BT
your box of kerchiefs X.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
All right, we were looking for a tie breaker here.
Somebody got to this.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Here we go.

Speaker 7 (39:20):
Not a contest, though, No, we don't have any questions.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
What wartime innovation led directly to the creation of material
used in early Kleenex? Was it a parachute, nylon, B
sell you cotton or surgical bandages see waterproof canvas or
d gas mask charcoal filtration. So was it basically bandages,

(39:50):
parachute nylon, waterproof canvas or gas mask filters? What wartime
innovation led to the creation of the material used in
early clinics?

Speaker 7 (40:04):
So what do we got? Well? Lee was then first
with the right answer some sturgical bandes.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
So Lee is ahead of the not a contest, We is.

Speaker 7 (40:17):
Ahead at four points.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
All right, let's just do one more.

Speaker 7 (40:22):
Then let's.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Give somebody a chance.

Speaker 7 (40:26):
To so you can tie it up. We got one
more question.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Oh, wouldn't you tie it up?

Speaker 7 (40:30):
Well? Else some of those could tie it up in theory,
it's four three three, going to my notes, Oh my gosh,
completing the arbitrary beca's not a contest, not a price,
not a contest?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
What scientific All right? What scientific development helped improve clinic
softness in the nineteen fifties? Was it a enzyme fiber treatment?
Was it the chemical pulp bleaching? See? Was it rayon
blending or D a heat press fiber alignment process? So

(41:05):
is it a enzyme fiber treatment, B chemical pulp bleaching
see rayon blending or D heat press fiber alignment?

Speaker 7 (41:19):
And steamboat says a lie, said d Souley said, d
you are all wrong.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Uh, David got it right though, Yeah, David, you go man,
he knows.

Speaker 7 (41:33):
David has kind of proven to be the Kleenex expert.
Well done, Yeah, well done, Dave. Chemical pulp bleaching.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
So Lee won the not a contest.

Speaker 7 (41:45):
Lee didn't win anything because it's not a contest. But
Lee shaid, you know what, Lee, I actually just deleted
email from last time. So please email me your your info.
D I just posted my email here. It's Jeff P.
I'm told Radio am dot com. Lee, please please email

(42:10):
me or information and we will. You didn't mean anything,
but we'll send you something for no reason whatsoever? That right?

Speaker 3 (42:18):
And what should we send? What should we send for
no reason whatsoever? How about it?

Speaker 7 (42:28):
How abouts?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah? No, how about an innovative, innovative hobby supply crypto
zoology museum, big museum, but the big cryptozoology.

Speaker 7 (42:40):
It'll go perfect with it. So yeah, please email me
and we'll get that to you.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
All right, there you go, there we go, future home
of the International crypto Zoology Museum. All right, so let's
you can do your thing and then we're going to
bring our guests.

Speaker 7 (42:59):
On all right, So here we go for tech breakdown,
my very first one. Exciting.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
All right, I'm going to pretend i'm you Jeff.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
Fair enough, all right, I am going to so this
gadget is unbelievably cool. Brandon't got one before I, uh
and uh I got one and it is absolutely amazing.
I'll play a little video for it first and then
we'll talk about it. Right, play a little video here.

(43:50):
This is right from the company website.

Speaker 9 (43:52):
If you're gearing up for emergency preparedness or camping, the
Kelly kettle is the most valuable piece of equipment you
can own. Your Kelly kettle can boil one liter of
water in just a few minutes using natural fuel. Your
kettle will allow you to quickly purify water for drinking,
rehydrate food, or simply.

Speaker 7 (44:11):
Cook a meal.

Speaker 9 (44:12):
Whether you're a backpacker, fisherman, hunter, or emergency prepper. After
one use, you'll know that the Kelly kettle's a must.
The specific design of the kettle allows you to start
the fire and keep it burning in windy or rainy conditions.
It's so easy to boil water and cook food all
at the same time. The Kelly kettle provides the ability

(44:34):
to stay warm on a cold night, feed yourself properly
with a variety of foods, stay hydrated, stay clean, and
stay alive. The Kelly Kettle is simple to use, with
only two main pieces, the kettle and the fire base.
Gather a small amount of natural fuel, Fill the kettle

(44:57):
with water, fill the fire base with any flammable material,
Place the kettle on the fire base, Start a fire
in the fire base, adding additional twigs and pine cones,
et cetera into the chimney. In a matter of minutes,
you'll have boiling water for a hot drink or to
hydrate food, add a cook set and get breakfast going.

(45:24):
The kettle does it all all at the same time.
The Kelly Kettle comes in three sizes Trekker, Small, Scout, Medium, Base,
camp large, each one available on aluminum or stainless steel.

(45:44):
The variety of sizes means that there's a Kelly Kettle
stove there.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
For the video. Yeah, so the idea is it's hollow,
but yeah, if it's not, obviously it's hollow. Basically, the
chimney over this little it's amazing. So not only is
a great for camping, it's really handy for any kind
of emergency preparedness. I mean, if you if you if
you need to boil water, and it really does work
that quick with so.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
It's got a reservoir of water around it like a.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Water Yeah, it's it's so it's it's uh, it's like
a chimney inside. It's hollow on the inside and the
water is around the edge. And with a little bit
of just a little fire in that fire base, you
can literally boil all that water in about five minutes.
It's amazing and you just you just need twigs, spark
pine cones. You can also use you know, like Sterno cans,

(46:33):
or you could use Kleenex, And I just I absolutely
love this thing. It's actually pretty cool that it was
designed over one hundred years ago by the Kelly family
in Ireland, and then he got the original inventor just
made him for his friends for a long time. Then

(46:53):
sixty seventies as started selling them, and then in two
thousand and five ish the Great Kids kind of modernize
the company and I just I can't say enough good
things about it. It is absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
So this would make a good gift obviously somebody who
likes to camp. Another big Futter.

Speaker 7 (47:15):
So you can get just the U that's the Bear
basics is just the firebase and the pot. There's three
different sizes. However, I recommend you get what I got
is the ultimate set, and that comes with a pot,
a pan, a couple of coffee cups. Well, I just

(47:35):
I love this thing and everything is kind of its multipurpose,
everything kind of it all nests in into that one bag.
So you can heat up. You can heat up on
the kettle. You can use the bass for a for
a hobo stove, So if you want to just use

(47:57):
it as a hobo stove to put a pan on top,
you can do that.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Somebody asked, what's the price.

Speaker 7 (48:02):
I'll get to that. Let me let me finish what
I'm talking about them all right, fair enough, So the
so the base price for the smallest of the just
the just the kettle and fire pot is UH seventy
two bucks. It comes and stainless for aluminum. I recommend
stainless aluminum is lighter, So seventy two bucks for the

(48:24):
smallest UH Bear kit. For the full deluxe big pot
with the big kit, it's one hundred and seventy bucks.
And I do recommend buying it directly from them. It's
actually cheaper than Amazon. So uh, let's see and get
some more pictures here. So yeah, it's just it's just
so cool and you can you can heat water and

(48:46):
cook on top at the same time. Like I said,
everything everything all nests together. The whole kit nest together
and fits in one little bag. You can also get.
They sell an extra they call the survival bag that
it fits everything in there, plus room for more gear.

(49:08):
So I have mind set up like that, and I've
bet a little fire making kit with a flint and
some tinder and all that kind of stuff all so
I got the whole kit all in one bag. It's
it's I just can't say enough about it. It's absolutely amazing,
even if you don't camp, just to have one in
your house for you never know when you need to
boil water. And let's see the last picture I got here.

(49:32):
The three size is the fifty four ounce, forty one ounce,
the twenty ounce, So yeah, Kellykettle dot com k e
L l y Kettle dot com look it up. It's
just an amazing gadget. I love it. I love mine.
Like I said, I just can't recommend highly enough everybody
should have one.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
And you're gonna do another camping tip next Sunday. Correct.

Speaker 7 (49:57):
Sure, yeah, I've been. I'm kind of into MP survival
prepper gear. And yes, I can put up a link
hold on one second tier. It's literally just Kelly Kettle
dot com. I'll type it up here. It is available

(50:17):
from Amazon if you got to buy from Amazon, but
it's it's five bucks cheaper to buy it directly from them,
and then they got all the money instead of Jeff
Bezos getting a cut. So I recommend you buy it
from Recommend you buy it from directly from the company,
and they ship it out fast. They have a warehouse
United States. I saw them like I'm working for them,
but I'm not. It's a great product, all right.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
It's an over that crap as they say.

Speaker 7 (50:45):
Sound good. That's my very first check breakdown. Man, good job. Thanks.
I love it. If you can't make any questions about it,
email me and happy to talk about it. I love
the product. It's amazing, perfect.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
All right. Our guest are you ready? Is he ready?

Speaker 7 (51:07):
He looks like he's ready.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Are you ready? Wave your arms if you're ready? Okay,
So okay, So this is my nephew and me and
John have talked about having him on for for god
years actually, and he is a Mormon historian. He buys

(51:32):
and sells rare Mormon artifacts, and so he's he's just
he's been in the business a long time. I'm gonna
let you kind of you know, fill listen a little
bit more more detail. Let's welcome John Hijack.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
Yep, but my nephew, all right, and welcome John. Hi John. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Hello, We've got a lot of echo already. Okay, Yeah,
you just get to get as close as you can
to the computer. If you don't have a mic. There
you go, there you go, I see, I see you. Okay,
you got to turn your volume way down. Okay, that's

(52:30):
the problem. I'll bet you. Jeff had you all set up,
just like everybody there was set everything.

Speaker 7 (52:40):
I thought we had it set up. It's okay, it's.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Still pretty echo. Well I can't hear it, so your
volume is really high on something.

Speaker 7 (52:51):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (52:54):
It's an empty house?

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Okay, Well, as close as you can get to your computer,
that was going to be much better. So there we go.
That makes a huge difference. All right, John, Welcome to
und old radio. Uh, why don't you start? We just
you know, give it up, give our audience just kind
of a quick introduction as to why you do what

(53:19):
you do and how did you become a Mormon historian.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
Well, remember I was growing up in Minneapolis like you were,
and my grandfather was your dad, and my dad was
your brother. So we're all in Minneapolis in the nineteen seventies.
And in nineteen eighty my branch of the family took
off and you know, my computer came unplugged.

Speaker 7 (53:45):
Hold, I'll pen them up. He gets it figured Outay,
all right here he is.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
So my branch of the family moved to Forbi, Wisconsin,
which was a Mormon historic site in Burlington, which is
about a half hour south of Milwaukee, in an hour north.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Of Chicago, right off Preay Road.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
Near Pray Road. Yes, Mormon Road is the road. I
lived on Mormon Road, which was kind of a county
line road from back in the eighteen forties.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Yeah, and we've you know, I've talked about let's talk
about your dad a bed. It was my brother and
from a very young age, all my memories of him
was he was always making developing really cool electronics. Even
when he was just a teenager. Things like calculators in

(54:45):
the sixties, early sixties. I would go downstairs, which I
wasn't allowed to go down alone. Go downstairs would be
like mainframe computer in the sixties and late beams everywhere,
mirrors and lasers, and this was like I thought this

(55:06):
was normal. Right, I knew the word computer before I'm
sure ninety eight percent of the world did, because that
was just not something anybody even thought of. Right, you're right.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
So I have that mainframe computer. I inherited that computer
from I remember running in nineteen sixty eight. You remember
it even earlier. Yeah, But I sat on my dad's lap,
or sat on a stool next to my dad while
he worked on that and it worked. I watched the
screen that the monitor was a celescope and it performed

(55:43):
calculations and did real work.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, it was crazy. What companies did he work for
in the early days, was it?

Speaker 6 (55:53):
I don't remember them all, but he worked for three
on Honeywell, unifor yeah, Eaton Corporation in Milwaukee.

Speaker 7 (56:05):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
He was the He was the chief engineer on the
Nike Hercules Missile Defense System surface to air missile defense
system He was the chief engineer on the software for that,
and he was the chief engineer on the cat scan software. Wow,

(56:27):
he was a brilliant, brilliant guy.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, I've heard. I don't know if it's true. I
don't think me and you've ever discussed it, but that
he had developed one of the first working calculators.

Speaker 6 (56:42):
Well, it was a computer. It was a mainframe computer.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
The trouble is is no, no, no, no, no, no, no, John, No,
I'm talking about a little handheld calculator. I'd still remember it.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Oh I have that too, that's a little later, that's uh,
But I don't know that it was one of the first.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Well I was five years I was five years old.

Speaker 6 (57:02):
When I handy radio chef was working on those.

Speaker 7 (57:05):
Two miss radio check.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Yeah, one years old. That would have been a nineteen
sixty two.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
Oh I don't have that.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
No, yeah. Yeah. It was just a small little unit
made of wood, and it had lights for each you know,
it's a bunch of dots or they were little on
they were neon lights, and it would do KELG. You
could just type in whatever and it would do plus
and minus and times and light up those numbers. Back

(57:36):
in the sixties, and he just built it from scratch.
It's like it was pretty amazing back then, Yes, sir, Yeah,
So what other stuff did he do that just kind
of blew your mind?

Speaker 6 (57:51):
Well, I mean that was it. He was, you know,
he was he was doing AI in the nineteen seventies.
He was printing books. He was using a nineteen thirties
mimeograph machine to you know, I don't know if you know,
do you want to talk about his politics in the
nineteen sixties.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Well, I don't want to get into that, okay.

Speaker 6 (58:15):
But he was printing his own political literature in the
nineteen sixties, on his own I mean it was national,
and his own religious literature which was non denominational in
the nineteen seventies. He printed all that in our house.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Yeah, that's pretty cool. Anyhow. So he was obviously a
really smart guy. I know, he had a very rare,
very high IQ.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
He was a member of some high IQ societies that
are supposed to be one in a million. He was
the editor of Noesis Magazine, which was a monthly magazine
for the one in the one in a million society
whatever they called it.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Wow. And then when I was young, I would imagine
I was about nine, and your dad, I knew, was
going on these backpacking trips to learn survival and that
kind of thing. And I know on one particular trip

(59:21):
he was alone. I know he did. Once in a
while he brought like Johnny, my other his younger brother,
my older brother one time, and I remember Johnny going.
He begged him to get him out of there because
it was so claustrophobic in the bush. And he would
use these like one square mile topography maps as I remember,
I have the maps.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
Oh you do, okay, well, yes, I I camped in
the north Woods. We went right up on the Sauville Trail,
right up into the Boundary Waters Canoe area on the
edge of it, and we did survivalist camping in the
wintertime in northern Minnesota. We fo for our own food.
We brought books with us archival quality books too, you know,

(01:00:09):
to test our survival skills. So we brought everything. We
made our own bullets, we loaded our own I mean
a sean and we did everything.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yeah. But anyhow, the tripper referring he wasn't with anybody.
I know, he would go alone. You probably remember all
the ones where he dragged you guys with but he
would go alone quite often. And he called my dad
one time after one of these trips and he was
really freaked out and he wanted to talk like he

(01:00:43):
was really freaked. He was apparently crying on the phone.
He was scared freaked out from after one of these trips,
and of course I didn't know exactly what it was.
And he said he wanted to come over, and he
came over and he had a discussion with my dad,
and of course I listened to the whole day, dang thing.

(01:01:06):
You know, we had a we had our ways of
doing that. If there was a private conversation going.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
On, Yeah, to do the same thing, right, Yeah, sure,
my dad talked around the corner. There are brilliant conversations.
And when your other older brother Johnny was there, Yeah,
conversations were incredible. Whether they were talking about again politics, marketing,
really Johnny, anything intellectual.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Well, we would get together on Sundays, off to the
whole family and we would just discuss science and all
sorts of things.

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
But this was still farify But you're but you know,
there's some distance and time between you and my dad.
My dad was born in thirty nine, and yeah, yeah,
you were born in the sixties.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
No, no, before then, in the late fifties. Anyhow, I
don't want to get into my birthday.

Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
You're old, much to the old time old.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Yeah, but this is different. He called in the afternoon.
He wanted to come alone. He was freaked out. He
was crying on the phone. And it was not like him.
You know, your dad was kind of like doctor Spock most.

Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
Of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
And the thing I knew of him, and then this
was different. And so I listened, and all I could
really hear was him describing that he had met something
dark in the woods. He said it was black, it
was big, and he meant this thing face to face
in the forest, like in the deep part of the forest.

(01:02:40):
And I don't remember what. I don't remember, and I
wished I did, whether it was that day or was
it or was it at night, you know, because he would,
as I would remember, he would go without a flashlight.
Is that true.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
I don't remember any flashlight.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Yeah. Yeah, he would go without a flashing it for sure.
And he wasn't excuse me those voice. He wasn't into bigfoot.
But I think from what I picked up on, that's
what he encountered in the woods and it it. I

(01:03:22):
think it caused him to think it might have been
a religious experience of some sort.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Oh for sure, Yeah, that would have been.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
If you knew your dad. He overthought. He overthink a
lot of things he shouldn't have and sometimes, I mean
that was his gift and his also his.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
Curse is well, remember he's a he's a graduate fellow
at the University of Minnesota at that time, pursuing his PhD.
He's he's uh, he's agnostic, right, and he has a
religious conversion experience in the yes, and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
It changed him and he literally that day vowed to
never hurt another creature again.

Speaker 6 (01:04:04):
I remember, until the day he died, that guy would
not step on an aunt. You know, he would take
spiders out of the house. He would, you know, take
care of birds and animals and even blades of grass.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Sure, yeah he was. I remember hearing him that day
say I'm never going to walk on the grass again.
Just it was really extreme, like it was like what
happened to him? And then you guys, of course, I
don't know how long it took what you packed up,
he packed up the family. You sold your home, I
think to my sister and you guys left town and.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Joined our great grandmother's home. Actually, but yes, your sister
moved into it in our place. We ran in to
Wisconsin and that was actually, that was several years because
that conversion experience was seventy three, I think summer of
seventy three, and he finally joined the Latter day Saint

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Church in nineteen seventy eight, and we moved in nineteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Right, So that whole thing, whatever it was, he interpreted
it in a way I, you know, personally, wouldn't have
I would have thought, oh, I just saw Bigfoot been
done with it. I wouldn't have thought any more of it.
But for your dad it was a life changing, really
big life changing, which it is for many people. But

(01:05:36):
in his case, I think he probably did a ton
of reading trying to look for answers as to what
he had run into what he had.

Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
Seen throughout the seventies. Then from seventy three to eighty
he made his way through every apocryphal book, the Josephus
and and the Book of Enoch, the Book of Joshure
Ellen White, Seventh Day Adventist Revelations, Mormonism, the Book of Mormon,

(01:06:09):
Mormon Revelations, the Quran, and ultimately settled on being a
seventh day It's kind of a seventh day Mormon. Mormon's
worship on Sunday like most Christians, but he was more
set on the Judaic and Mauslim Sabbath and the Seventh

(01:06:30):
day Adventist Sabbath.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Well see okay, But to me, I think of all
that as non important. What was important He had a
life changing event, radically changed his life.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
It shows the sincerity, it shows the earnest. If you
don't make those kind of life changing anybody can question
that experience. Did it actually happen? But he was moved
upon to uproot his family and learns, you know, foreign
landanguage as some of those he knew already through his

(01:07:03):
engineering work. He knew Russian and German, but he went
on to learn Hebrew. He knew Latin too, but he
went on to learn Hebrew and Greek and Spanish and
Wow and of course many many computer languages.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's it's so hard to get
across how brilliant James was. It really is. It's like
you can't explain James just he broke all the perspective.

Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
He probably thought I'm stupid.

Speaker 7 (01:07:36):
Yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
He was smart.

Speaker 6 (01:07:39):
I'm kidding. He never he would never say that, but
he was smart for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Yeah, it was really smart. And I loved the fact
that he was very private, so I didn't know anything
about then. Of course, flash forward many years go by.
You guys are living out Wisconsin and w you know,
we got together with your brother once in a while.
But the point was I didn't know some things until

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your sister came over to my house and saw legenimeed
science post, legitimate science poster on the wall and looked
at that and said, my dad's really into that topic.
And I didn't really know, you know what I mean,
I didn't really know about it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:29):
And then.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
She had mentioned that he was had joined the BFRRO
and I was just the Bigfootfield Researchers Organization. It was
even a link. The only link on his website was
for the BFRRO, and I did verify that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
It was like, sure, so my dad created a website
for Bigfoot. Yeah, but about as early as theater that web,
the Worldwide Web, was November of nineties or early nine nineties.
He had a website for his company, but he had
sections of his website sectored off for a bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Well, but here's let me finish my story. So here's
where it's weird. I have the guy, the head of
the BFR coming to my house the next day. That's
Matt Moneymaker. He's in charge of the BFRO. He's the
one that kind of, you know, implemented it, took it
over and implemented it. And here's I'm finding out about

(01:09:33):
my brother, older brother is being a member of it.
You just see, this is like really weird, right, I
had no idea, and.

Speaker 6 (01:09:43):
In parallel and family genetics, yeah, it's very weird.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
And then all of a sudden, my brain's connecting a
ton of dots, like all of a sudden, all the
memories of that conversation, and then everything finally just fit
into place, and I went, oh, I get it. Now,
I know what he meant by he was face to
face with this big, dark creature in the woods. So

(01:10:08):
I never knew what that meant. And then suddenly it
hit me, that's probably what he was face to face with.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Sure, and realize my dad didn't see that as paranormal.
My dad believed he's something natural, and he believed it
was human.

Speaker 8 (01:10:25):
And so.

Speaker 6 (01:10:27):
His websites were oriented towards the protection of bigfoot and
warnings that that harming bigfoot or shooting a bigfoot if
you saw one, would be shooting a human, right, not
shooting an ape or some other kind of of a species.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Yeah, so, you know, so that's the weird parallel between
me and your father that was also unspoken, and you
do realize to this day. I never had a conversation
of any length with your dad about it just didn't happen.
You know, we had very separate different lives. He lived

(01:11:06):
in Wisconsin and by the time I by the time
I had discovered this, you know, just there were other
things going on, and it just didn't It never really happened.
But it all kind of made sense to me. And
so what do you think he found? So let's now
switch to what do you think he found in the

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Mormon religion that may have led him to even be
pulled towards the Mormon religion about you know, the Cane
story and that kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:38):
Do you want to well, there is at least one
substantial or significant substantive bigfoot parallel in Mormon history. Do
you want to know about that?

Speaker 7 (01:11:53):
Please? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:11:54):
So one man whose name was David W. Patton was
a Mormon apostle in eighteen thirty five and he was
on a missionary trip in Tennessee and he had an
encounter with a creature that parallels Bigfoot, and nobody thought

(01:12:16):
much of it. In that way, it made it into
his biography in the eighteen I guess it was the
eighteen seventies, and his missionary companion remembered the story and
got it into his biography. But then it didn't make
much of a wave until about nineteen eighty when people

(01:12:39):
started reporting bigfoot encounters in Utah, particularly in South Weber,
which is a little north of Salt Lake. There were
a lot of bigfoot sightings and people went back to
that account. That account was recited in a significant Mormon

(01:13:00):
book called The Miracle of Forgiveness. The Miracle of Forgiveness
was published in nineteen sixty nine, so they sold I
think one point seven million copies of that book, and
that's about one not of every ten Mormons had a

(01:13:20):
copy of that book. I mean, that's a lot of people.
So when you start to have bigfoot encounters in Utah,
people remember this story about David W. Patton meeting Kane.
David W. Patton was an extraordinary individual. Everybody liked him.
He was kind of dark complexion, black eyes, a little
different than the average Mormon apostle, which was blue eyed

(01:13:44):
in eighteen thirties and eighteen forties. He was just extremely
well liked.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
He was.

Speaker 6 (01:13:53):
Brave. Let's say. He ended up dying three years later
in a Mormon war, in a battle Missouri close to
where I live here in north northwest Missouri. He got
killed essentially defending other Mormons. But he was a spiritual

(01:14:14):
guy anyway. He had lots of you know, you would
call him paranormal experience as we call him speaking in
tongues or healing experiences like that. So powerful faith and
David W. Patten and liked by everybody. And so he
has this encounter with who he called Kine I guess,

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and relayed that to his missionary companion when he got
back from his Roague trip, his outing, and then that
made it again into his biography.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
So do you think that it's being described? Do you
think it was a sasquatch or a bigfoot? How is it?
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
Pretty pretty powerful? Yeah, that's pretty powerful. As I was
riding along the road on my mule. As I was
riding along the road on my mule, I suddenly noticed
a very strange personage walking beside me. Now, this is
eighteen thirty five, so this is early right. You know
the history of these mounds, right. I suddenly noticed a

(01:15:19):
very strange personage walking beside me. He walked along beside
me for about two miles. His head was about even
with my shoulders as I sat in my saddle. Now,
let's see, David Patton was about six two six 't one,
so he was tall and so bigfoot or whoever this was.

(01:15:40):
His head is about even with his shoulders as he
sat in his saddle. But he's up high on the
saddle of a mule. Mules are tall. They're not donkeys.
They're tall. You're in Missouri, Tennessee. He wore no clothing,
but was covered with hair. His skin was very dark.
I asked him where he dwelt, and he replied that

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he had no home, that he was a wanderer in
the earth and traveled to and fro. He said that
he was a very miserable creature, that he had earnestly
sought death during his sojourn upon the earth, but that
he could not die, and his mission was to destroy
the souls of men. About the time he expressed himself,

(01:16:25):
thus I rebuked him in the name of the Lord
Jesus Christ and by virtue of the Holy Priestood, and
commanded him to go hence, and he immediately departed out
of my sight. When he left me, I found myself
near your house. And this is a guy who thinks
he's an apostle. Mormon's Latter day Saints believe David W.

(01:16:48):
Patten has an apostle. So an apostle for Mormons is
somebody who's put on earth to be an eyewitness of
things related to the messiah ship of Christ and the resurrection,
and other substantial events, maybe the death of Joseph Smith
in a jail. You're supposed to record these events as

(01:17:09):
an apostles. So you've got David W. Patten experiencing a
unique event which to him may have met more than
it would have meant to an ordinary Latter Day saint,
and to his listeners or his readers, it meant more
than it would if an ordinary Latter Day Saint had
this experience. This is an apostle of Mormonism, saying he
sees this creature who's able to converse and apparently in English.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Super interesting. Are there any other religions that have a hairy, big,
giant or large creature mentioned?

Speaker 6 (01:17:49):
Or is it only I'm not familiar with any I
mean sort of.

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
So what I'm getting at is if your dad would
have found that passage, read it, and had his own
encounter with such a creature, I could really see that
he felt it was a sign from God or you
know whatever, he would have taken it very personal. Sure,

(01:18:16):
and you could see that, I mean, couldn't you? Because
we don't know. I mean, your dad's not with us anymore,
we can't ask him. But do you think that's possibly
why he gravitated?

Speaker 7 (01:18:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
I do? Well good, because even you and I have
not really discussed it in depth. And that is such
a clear description of a bigfoot.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
But you know, Mormonism starts with paranormal activity in a sense.
You've got the Smith family speaking to personal as they
identify as angels, but you would identify them as ghosts.
So they're looking for very treasure in different hills all

(01:19:01):
over the country, all over New England and New York
and Pennsylvania. The Smiths are looking for a treasure, and
they're having encounters with what we call treasure guardians. The
person who buried the treasure is guarding the treasure a
thousand or more years later after they buried it. So

(01:19:22):
that's that's how Mormonism actually starts, kind of like an
Oak Island experience where they're perpetually looking for a treasure
that's never found, except the smiths ultimately found a golden
Bible buried in a hell.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
We put up a comment from squatch Mama sing Buddhism
would have the YETI and Christianity Christianity references of the Nephlum,
and I don't know exactly. I mean, I get I
get up on this topic years and years ago, and

(01:20:05):
now I've forgotten more than I can even remember on
the Nephilum, because there's been many people have speculated that
Bigfoot is, you know, a nehlum, a fallen angel of.

Speaker 7 (01:20:19):
Some sort, or a hybrid of some sort. Yeah, or
fer kind of hybrids in a lot of ways, it's right, Yeah,
it's kind of from that. It's from the Book of Enoch,
which is considered apocryphile, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (01:20:33):
And then the Book of Mormon story starts out with
you know, I ne Fi having been born of goodly parents,
and this is a person in history at allegedly six
hundred BC who has describes himself as large in stature
and so on. So there are some parallels there. But
I need to definitely say I'm not a folk historian.

(01:20:57):
I'm a I'm a document historian. I work with Mormon documents,
so some of this is a little bit outside of
my my familiarity with the part of Mormonism.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Do you do you feel that other people in your
family may have known that that's kind of what happened
to your father or is it you think so? Yes, sir, Yeah,
that's so. That's so interesting. I find the parallel between
me and your father quite interesting. I really do.

Speaker 6 (01:21:35):
And it's just these two independent channels and you're on
one hand as much younger brother, and you're doing the
most important documentaries on Bigfoot, and my dad completely independent
without the two of you talking, is doing your first
websites on Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
That's so interesting. You just you wonder, Yeah, you talk
about the genetic connection. Is there is it a genetic connection?
What it is? I have dog exactly? Yeah, Well, it's
just I don't ever think that deep. I'm not a
deep thinker.

Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
How long has he been gone?

Speaker 6 (01:22:13):
Your brother, my dad died in two thousand and seven February.

Speaker 7 (01:22:23):
Sounds amazing, guy, I would love to have met him.

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
Yeah, he was like, I don't think of the questions
you want to ask when somebody's alive, because you can
always ask next time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Yeah, it's a great lesson here, because question, if I
could go back, I would have some amazing conversations with
your dad about some area of the commonality that we
never shared, because your dad would do things like he
would just call me up out of the blow, I'm
coming up to see it and I'm going to take

(01:22:53):
you out shooting. Yeah, and he would just show up
and we were just like, oh, shoot, I have a
great day. And I wouldn't hear from him for five fers,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:23:01):
So I heard from my dad every week at least
we talked for hours. He was my computer go to
guy and my religion and history everything. Yeah, best friend.
So I needed him for everything and never asked him
some of these some of these interesting questions.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's amazing for granted. So are
there any uf Oh? You know, mentions in the Mormon religion.

Speaker 6 (01:23:32):
And it's an interesting parallel, just as extraordinary as David
Patten's experience with Cain that parallels Bigfoot. There's another Mormon
apostle named James Hutchins. Now James Hutchins is a Minority
Church apostle, meaning he's an apostle to the to the

(01:23:53):
Separateist latterday Saints that stayed back in Illinois and Wisconsin
and Michigan in the eighteen forties, did not go to Utah.
But he's legitimately ordained an apostle. He lives in Michigan,
in Wisconsin. He's a Southerner, kind of like David Patton.

(01:24:13):
He's from Tennessee. He is raised in Natchez, Mississippi. I
was just down there you're year or so ago with
a gorgeous woman, sweet smart girl. Took a lot of pictures,
and so James Hutchins is super important, and he becomes

(01:24:37):
an exile, and ultimately he does visit Utah, but he's
kind of an exile among even Mormons, even among minority Mormons.
He's an exile. And he writes five or six a
little booklets. I have five of the six in my collection,

(01:24:58):
but there's one I don't have, called an outline sketch
of the Travels of James Hutchins, and in it he
talks about a UFO experience. It's extraordinary. And again he's
an apostle. So he's like this eyewitness, like, why is
a guy who believes himself to be an apostle? He's
been ordained an apostle. He's been ordained to witness the

(01:25:19):
unfolding of the last days and you know, apocalyptic events
and record it to him and to his readers.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Do you want to read anything?

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
Yeah? Yeah, So he's up in Wisconsin. He's actually not
far from you. He's up in Blackhaer Falls, Hixton, Maryland.
It's all in Jackson County, Jackson County, Wisconsin, kind of
halfway between Madison and the Twin Cities. And he ends

(01:25:55):
up there in about eighteen fifty seven, and in eighteen
fifty nine in the he has this experience. He writes
about this time in that country. Now he's writing in
the third person, but he's the author. He's writing this.
He's writing it as if somebody's writing his biography. But

(01:26:16):
it's an autobiography about this time in that country. He
beheld a great phenomenon in the firmament like this, as
he was laying upon his bed at the hour of
about three o'clock in the night, three o'clock one night,
upon a sudden it became considerably light in the room

(01:26:38):
where he was lying. His eyes were open, and he
saw a blazing metallic, fast moving craft with a pointed nose,
flared body, fiery exhaust, and eastward. Course. That's about it.

(01:27:09):
An I missed from it. Well that's frustrating. Well there's
there's but I prended it been missed some. But he
goes on and he talks about this sounding like a
locomotive and looking like a iron that you iron your

(01:27:31):
clothes with. Wow, And so it sounds like, uh, here's
my cop Why I'm near white Men Air Force Base.
Uh here in Missouri, we we see these exact things
fly right over my house exactly the way he describes,

(01:27:51):
the same sparks, the same fine but just an extraordinary account.
It's printed in He Has the Experience in eighteen fifty nine.
He prints it in eighteen seventy one. There's only one

(01:28:12):
copy known to exist. It's owned by the University of Virginia,
I flew out there just to see it. Just an
extraordinary little tract that he's published. And he wasn't popular
and few have survived. Who apparently one has survived.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Interesting. So another kind of a weird parallel was the
brand and fugal connection that you have. And of course
you met Brandon for all, you know, different reasons. He's
the owner, the current owner of Skinwalker Ranch, and I

(01:28:47):
knew and had talked to on several occasions the past
owner of Skinwalker Ranch, Bob Bigelow, and those guys that
we're doing with NIDS. I would have conversations on occasion
with the KNIDS teams that were out there that were
studying the ranch scientifically before it became a TV show.

(01:29:11):
And so how do you know Brandon.

Speaker 6 (01:29:15):
Brandon was my fan before he was famous. Brandon and
I go back to about nineteen ninety six. Well, he's
a super friendly guy. He invited me to his wedding.
He's the kind of guy if you've got his phone number,
he'll go to lunch with you anytime he's got time,
he makes time. He's the biggest commercial real estate broker

(01:29:41):
in American Southwest. But you know, if I call him
up he'll meet me for lunch or dinner. Super nice guy.
And you refreshed my memory that he was texting me today,
and I asked him for this quote because I couldn't
find it quickly for the interview today, and so I
have a little bit more of it. So I want
to read the rest of this, sorry, and then go
back to Brandon.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
No problem.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
So upon a sudden it became inconsiderably light in the
room where he was lying. His eyes were open, and
he saw shadows passing swiftly around the inside wall of
the house, the light shining upon an open window on
the opposite side of the wall. He arose with all
possible quickness, and looking about two hundred and fifty feet

(01:30:26):
and about seventy five feet above the surface of the earth,
he saw a figure of about forty five or fifty
feet long. Its dimensions seemed to be true in every way, true,
like I don't know, I'm picturing a bee fifty two.
This is a B fifty two in eighteen fifty nine,

(01:30:46):
recorded in eighteen seventy one. That makes it the earliest
known UFO sighting in America, because historians think the earliest
sighting was eighteen seventy nine in Texas, but he has
this twenty years later in eighteen fifty nine, publishes at
in eighteen seventy one, he arose with all possible quickness
and looking out two hundred and fifty feet at about

(01:31:07):
seventy five feet above the surface of the earth, he
saw a figure of about forty five or fifty feet long.
It's tmesia dimensions seemed to be true in every way.
Its body had the appearance of being almost or quite
pure fire. Its front end was pointed something to that
of a smoothing iron, flaring back to the rear end

(01:31:30):
with a true and regular taper until it's width at
that end seemed to be about some ten or twelve
feet across, its speed being about like that of a
railroad locomotive when at full speed. Of course, at that
time there's nothing faster, so I don't know what else
he could compare it to, but he says a railroad

(01:31:50):
locomotive at full speed. Its course seemed to be straight
from the west toward the east, with numerous a fiery
looking spar flying off of all of its parts. Wow,
it's I can't describe it. B fifty two better than
he just did eighteen fifty nine, and it comes from

(01:32:13):
a Mormon apostle, the earliest known UFO siting in America.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
It's very interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:32:22):
Okay, So Brandon Field, Brandon Fugel lost simple to me. Yeah.
I was texting him just today letting him know I
was going to do this. Wonderful person, just absolutely wonderful.
I knew him, talk to him about Skinwalker Ranch when
he bought it. I knew about the show before he
before he began to produce it. He's sincere, he's genuine,

(01:32:44):
he's earnest, he's likable.

Speaker 7 (01:32:47):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:32:48):
I'm on the phone with him today. He's with the
governor yesterday. He's popular. Everybody likes Brendan fugl.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Have you ever discussed the actual ranch at all?

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
No, Because he and I we have we have something
else we're doing together, and he's doing that, and I
keep bugging him. I want to get on the helicopter
and go out to skinwalk a Ranch, but there's some
other things I actually want to look at with him
with the helicopter first. So Skinwalker Ranch, is says, baby,
But but it's true, it's real.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Yeah, we'll have to get We'll have to get him
on and maybe you can join him. That would be
really interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:33:32):
He's enthusiastic, he has charisma and energy and animation.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
So he seems like, I mean, he's very open if
he's willing. He's got a real estate business, and yet
he's willing to go public with his show, and I
mean extremely public, right and acknowledge all of the weirdness
that goes on over there. And I have not seen
every episode, but you know from what I have seen,

(01:33:58):
obviously it's a very act area. Yes, sir, Yeah, I
just wonder how you keep your keep your do things
different because I know that you look for certain documents.

Speaker 6 (01:34:13):
For him, and you know, well, we're interested in history,
so I'm more interested in kind of an Oak Island
kind of a history. I'm interested in the treasure seeking,
of the spiritual kind of treasure seeking that was taking
place in America already at the time of Benjamin Franklin.
It comes over with the Germans, it comes over some

(01:34:37):
more with the Germans that fought in the Revolutionary War
for the British. The Smiths are already faith object people
and they get involved in this kind of treasure hunting
about eighteen oh two. So that's twenty eight years before
the Book of Mormon is printed. The smiths are already

(01:35:00):
working with divining rods and seer stones and other kinds
of magical instruments as you would call them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
I think, what would be the best way to describe
the Mormon religion.

Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
Well, for me, the Latter day Saints, the Mormons are
there are a reconciliation of all the other Protestant Christian
religions of the day. In Massachusetts and Vermont, you've got
state religion, the Congregationalists, and then it sort of breaks

(01:35:36):
up as America moves west, and west means New York
and Vermont. You know, you start to get Baptists and
Methodists and Presbyterians and more. And then you end up
with with one hundred little groups that are like Quakers

(01:35:57):
and Shakers and whispers and and there are kinds of
Millennialists and restorationists. And this concept of a restorationist is
an idea that so when you get up into Vermont,
you're living in a cabin with no door and no windows,
and your fireplaces in the window and your fireplaces in
the doorway, I mean, and your roof is bark and

(01:36:20):
you're spending your winters in the mountains of Vermont, like
people did the Smiths did for twenty five years. You
read the Old Testament, and so and everybody in Vermont
was reading the Old Testament. And you end up with
a society that's craving a biblical kind of a religion

(01:36:43):
because Moses had a rod, and his rod could swallow
the Egyptian rods, and he could divide oceans and find
water with his rod, and they believe they can do
that too. People believe that in America and so so
then you've got the New Testament. So you've got you've

(01:37:04):
got a people in America, lots and lots of Americans
who want to have profits, but they also wanted apostles.
So you develop a church that has profits like the
Old Testament and apostles like the New Testament, because the
Protestants have neither, the Catholics of neither. And you end
up with a restored church that has tabernacles and temples

(01:37:25):
and synagogues and polygamy and malchisic priesthood and ironic priesthood
and lots of Old Testament and New Testament things, elders
and evangelists and spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues and
having relations and translating, and all the things that are
in the all the New Testaments are kind of are

(01:37:47):
kind of reconciled and blended together. And then you end
up with kind of a reconciliation of a lot of
theological principles, like whether salvation comes by works or whether
salvation comes by grace. And the Book of Mormon is
able to reconcile that, and it answers all the questions
of the day for all religions, and so you end
up with a with a burgeoning new Christian faith of

(01:38:13):
all these people from all these other one hundred different
fragmented minority churches are joining the Mormons, and they grow
from six people in eighteen thirty to a couple of
hundred thousand and fifteen years, So it's an exponential kind
of a growing thing. And then Joseph and Hiram Smith

(01:38:35):
are killed in a jail where they're really in protective custody,
but they are killed in jail.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
So can you you have probably one of the weirdest
jobs in the world, I would think it is. I mean,
I'm sure you've never run into somebody who does just
what you do but do you want to just quickly
just explain what you do for your job.

Speaker 6 (01:39:02):
Well, I'm a material culture historian. I'm interested in rare
books and documents and art as physical objects. So paintings
not as decorative but as understanding what they documented, and
understanding how the painting was made and who made it
and for what purpose. And the same thing with the documents.

(01:39:24):
So I don't look at documents as typescripts. I look
at documents as physical objects to understand the ink, the handwriting,
the penmanship, the paper, the binding, the leather, the corrections
and alterations and modifications, to understand how and why a
document was created and what its chain of custody has been.

(01:39:49):
So I'm looking at Mormon history a little different than
most Mormon historians. I'm looking at it more like a
like a museum curator or scientists, then a classroom professor
or you know, somebody who's studying a cubicle or on
a smartphone. I'm actually handling the documents like a practical

(01:40:11):
or practicing historian. So I ended up with one hundred
I ended up with about a million items. Now I'm
not sure how many one hundred thousand books and then ephemera,
which means pamphlets and photographs and other things, about about

(01:40:31):
a million items.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
So how many books do you have?

Speaker 6 (01:40:35):
About one hundred thousand books?

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
And he's got you beat, Jeff.

Speaker 7 (01:40:40):
Yeah, it's impressive. I don't know a lot of people
that got me beat.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
That's This doesn't mean.

Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
I went to a library sale and bought, you know,
one of every subject. This means I bought these books,
usually one at a time.

Speaker 7 (01:40:54):
Sought them outsive, like.

Speaker 6 (01:40:56):
A couple of books I mentioned today. You have to
seek these out something you need or want or think
ought to be preserved, Like that book the University of
Virginia only has is the only owner of a copy.
I'm looking for that book.

Speaker 7 (01:41:10):
Yeah. I love I love books. I love rare books
and historical books. There's just so much history and knowledge there.
It's I get it. I love that stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:41:20):
Yes, And there's a resurgence. People are understanding that tactile
feel as historians have worked now for a while on
their tablets and they're realizing that they're losing something, that
they're missing something.

Speaker 7 (01:41:32):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (01:41:32):
And the general the general reader too, you know, the
minimalists among us who have empty houses and no soul
in their home are starting to turn back to books
and fill their homes and books very interesting, only confusing
of my empty bookcases. I'm filling them right now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Yeah, I know you're doing some remodeling. So okay. So
a question comes in from Kim Christiansen, who says, John,
what do you think Sasquatch is? There's a lot of
theological speculation about the forest people possibly being point My

(01:42:14):
eyes are going out, Jeff.

Speaker 7 (01:42:17):
Can you read it?

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
Oh? There we go there? Depending on which doctrine people follow.
I mean, do you do you think that the thing's
even real? Do you think it is some kind of
religious figure or some throwback from the sky? What are
your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (01:42:41):
I'm really glad that Kim asked that because I don't
have an answer, and that's how I answer all theological questions.
I'm a document historian. I My job is to tell
people what I know from the documents, what the documents say,
and I don't typically form opinions about out about speculative theology.

(01:43:03):
So do dogs go to heaven? I don't know. I
get asked these questions. Was Joseph Smith apolagonist? You know,
it doesn't matter to me what happened. What matters is
what the record tells us happens, so that I can
preserve that and curate that and share that and teach

(01:43:24):
what the record says. So I'm good at showing you
what these two documents say. Do I believe James Hutchins
saw Ufo or do I believe David Patten saw this creature?
I don't know. That's their experience, that's their faith story.
My job is to preserve that record so that other

(01:43:44):
people can use it as they need to either reaffirm
their faith, and I think those are really compelling. By
the way they are compelling. I acknowledge when history is compelling,
But my job is to preserve the history so that
other people can continue on their faith journey.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Let's see, there's a great comment here. Virrex is even
among devout Latter day Saints, the idea of Kane literally
being a bigfoot is not official doctrine, but rather a
folk belief reflecting both spiritual interpretation in frontier mystery.

Speaker 6 (01:44:33):
So that's it's couldn't have been better than this person
put up. This is exactly right. We have to differentiate
between folk beliefs and what's documented and what's compelling, and
this is exactly right. It's interesting and moving, but it
is you know, there is this most of what most

(01:44:57):
of Mormon history is folk belief most of ministry, the
church is founded on folk beliefs, and it exists today
because of folk beliefs. And you'll see crazy discussions about
whether Joseph Smith was a polagamist or not. And you
have to figure out what the documents today whether versus
what comes fifty years later from Victorian tail telling to

(01:45:23):
reinforce faith. And even in this case, this account from
David Patten comes from his missionary companion Abraham Smooth, who
shares it when the biography has been being written forty
years later, so it goes through a kind of a lens.

(01:45:44):
He says he's reciting it almost forbade him, and he
says there was even more. This is as much as
I can remember, but it's precise. But we do have
to look at that and say, it isn't the same
as if as if David Patten wrote it down that night,
and it wouldn't be the same if David Patton wrote
it down twenty years later, And it's definitely not the
same having somebody else write it down forty years later,

(01:46:08):
So it's it is folk rebe for sure. But it's
a powerful, powerful thing people early, and then it's corroborated
later by you know, rey generations of people.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
That's interesting. People keep mentioning your bookshelves behind you? Are
those bookshelves? Are those blinds?

Speaker 6 (01:46:31):
That's the bookshelves.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
Yeah, oh okay, and they're going yet they're empty, and
it's because he's remodeling.

Speaker 7 (01:46:36):
It's making room for more books.

Speaker 6 (01:46:38):
A major renovation. Right in this house you finished, Actually,
the house is finished, and I've furnished the upstairs two levels,
and this lower level still still moving things in because
I've got giant archaeological artifacts coming in first before I
bring everything else in.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
And that's your home will be like a museum, Yes, sir,
Is that your goal someday?

Speaker 6 (01:47:11):
Oh it is for sure, Yes, yes it is.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
It is.

Speaker 6 (01:47:15):
Everything I've been collecting has been well, not everything. There
are some investment quality books if I have forty copies
of something, but there are some books that I saw
as undervalued or underappreciated, and I bought multiple copies. But
definitely one of everything in my manuscripts and documents and
artifacts are all brought together for the purpose of having

(01:47:37):
a cohesive and comprehensive museum.

Speaker 7 (01:47:42):
It's really really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Somebody's got to do everything right. There's somebody for there's
somebody for every little thing in the world.

Speaker 6 (01:47:50):
And John and it's a genetic job because I don't know,
you don't have the gene but I do. But you know,
there was something in us that made that made our
ancestors curate seeds or curate arrowheads, or you know, preserve
and sort and figure out which the best arrowheads were

(01:48:14):
for getting prey and food, and that's handed down. Those
that did it survived evolution. It's interesting to see some
people use that gaine to collect dolls or something. I
hope that people would use their collecting gain to curate

(01:48:34):
something that has value to future generations beyond baseball cards
or comic books.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
But well, everything has value. And I definitely find that
it's in my blood because I love to take something
old and preserve it. I started at a young age
restoring antique furniture, and I don't even know why I
was driven to do it, but just constantly. I mean,

(01:49:02):
Jeff knows, it's all I ever do is restore things.

Speaker 6 (01:49:05):
And your dad. Of course, I'll bill he did the
same thing.

Speaker 8 (01:49:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:49:09):
Business, what you run is over one hundred years old,
one hundred and one hundred and seven years old, started
by my great grandfather and your your father. My grandfather,
Don Hayachek is the one who inspired me to get
into the restoration business. He's the one who he actually
called me to. I'll do this, your dad.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
That's very cool.

Speaker 7 (01:49:31):
I love old stuff. I love preserving history. I just
I love the stories. All those objects have stories. I
just I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
And it's a talent. You know.

Speaker 6 (01:49:39):
I'm actually good at it. And I don't know why
things falling in my lap. That shouldn't one would think
I make a once in a lifetime discovery every month.
I make a substantial discovery every day. More than half
of all new discoveries in Mormon history since about nineteen
ninety have come through my hands. Oh wow, you know

(01:50:03):
it's it's it's a for sure a gift. I've prayed
about it, but I'm not saying I have spiritual guidance,
but I certainly certainly something is happening that makes me
be in the right place at the right time.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
Yeah, that's love. It it's fascinating. Yeah, there's there's something
about restoring things I think is somewhat noble because it's
it's just you. You're preserving something versus throwing in a
way if it's got historical value. And I like machines,

(01:50:39):
it's kind of my thing. I like to restore machines,
and you like to you like you're involved in all
such a Basically, you're restoring a religion in a lot
of ways, I guess correct. I mean, isn't that much.

Speaker 6 (01:50:55):
Yeah, you're turning to restored At eighteen forty eight Mormon House,
you know, we work with the conservation and the restoration
and preservation of documents and books and art.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:51:07):
I've done some of my own painting restoration. I also
have expensive paintings. People much better at it than I am.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Very cool, very cool. Yeah, my father was quite an
interesting mix and I you know, my dad wasn't I
wouldn't say, oh god, how would he be different than
your father? But my dad was like fertilizer for a

(01:51:39):
free thought, scientific thought. I can't even explain, Uh were inventors.

Speaker 6 (01:51:51):
Yeah, dad wasn't painters.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
You know, there's a.

Speaker 6 (01:51:54):
Certain technology to my dad's mind. Being an engineer. But
remember he was an artist first too. You know, he
made his own uh picketing signs for the whole city
of Minneapolis. You could paint, he could, he could do
hand lettering. Your dad, dad, my dad's other brother John did.

(01:52:16):
My brother Alan was a hand lettering sign painter, important painter.
Donald your dad was a portrait painter. So that was
the artistic side while inventing technology.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
For sure.

Speaker 6 (01:52:29):
There was that actualism or dichotomy.

Speaker 7 (01:52:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Well, your grandfather had a way of never judging anything.
You could tell him a story, it didn't matter what
it was, and he would listen. He might ask questions,
but he never judged or you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:52:51):
I just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
I can't explain. I never I can't even explain my
own dad. I would say things like, uh, I'm gonna walk,
you know, two hundred ticket, two hundred month walk, Okay,
have a good time, And then you'd come back two
weeks later and he'd say, Hi, how was your tripod?

Speaker 6 (01:53:14):
Didn't you go to France with him?

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I went to Europe Europe with him?
Yeah yeah yeah. And then we split up. We split up,
He just left you.

Speaker 6 (01:53:25):
You were like sixteen or seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
Yeah, I was fifteen, well, fourteen thirteen, and we split
for half the trip for half a month, and I
experienced Europe on my own, and then we met back
up in Luxembourg, Germany, and yeah, that was just the way.
He was, no worries, like, you know, I trust you.

(01:53:48):
You just go do what you go, do what you do,
and we did and I had a great time, and
it's it was weird. In fact, there's a lot of
that whole trip I remember, you know, because he wasn't realized,
oh he wasn't with me. He was up. He was
with me up through and Holland. We went to Denmark,

(01:54:12):
we went to Holland together. We went to Austria together,
and then in Austria we split and I went off
to Ennsbrook, and then he went off for a while
and we met up in Switzerland for a couple of nights,
and then he took off again and then I I
remember driving through the countryside alone through like Lichtenstein and

(01:54:37):
all just crazy adventures. I got it. I got in
a car accident and was chased by a guy like
in the middle of the night. Chase, chase, chased, and
I didn't know what was going on. I was just
scared out of my mind. I didn't even know what
the laws were. I had a car, right, and I'm
driving through Europe and I'm like thirteen, and we we

(01:55:00):
he sideswiped in a farm field because of a d
tour and then he started chasing me, and I'm like whatever,
and I just let him chase me for a God,
it must have been.

Speaker 7 (01:55:11):
Like forty minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
This guy get to me, and finally I said, okay, screwt.
I pulled over and he wanted to pay me for
the damage to my car, you know, because I didn't
think I did anything wrong, but you're in the middle
of a night in a foreign land and you're a kid,
and I don't even know if I was legal to drive,

(01:55:33):
and I just did what kids do.

Speaker 7 (01:55:35):
I took off.

Speaker 8 (01:55:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
It wasn't like a serious that. We're talking about a
little scratch, right, and I took off. Anyhow, He wanted
to pay me for the scratch he caused to my car.

Speaker 6 (01:55:45):
Soon told me about a story about driving to Mexico.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
No Mexico, No, that was that was that was that
was your grandfather, That was him. He did him and
water Newsbahn drove to Mexico in a model leave Ford
and I think they were only seven years old from Hutchinson, Minnesota.
And he can say, well that sounds crazy, but then no,

(01:56:11):
not really, it's just the way it was.

Speaker 7 (01:56:14):
Yeah, different times, and they ended up.

Speaker 3 (01:56:18):
Yeah, they drove all the way to Mexico, him and
him and Weiener Newsbam. It just sounds like a made
up story, but I know every he would tell me
that story. You know, when I was a little kid,
he would tell me about their adventures and you know
made sense. I mean, if you knew, you know, your
great grandfather John John, he didn't care about anything. He

(01:56:39):
was just like just you know, whatever, have fun. I
could just see him absolutely because that's the way my
dad treated me.

Speaker 6 (01:56:48):
I thought John was pretty stoic.

Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
He was very.

Speaker 6 (01:56:53):
But but didn't care, right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
Yeah, yeah, it was just like whatever. He didn't worry.
He wasn't he wasn't a worry ward at all.

Speaker 6 (01:57:02):
Oh no, no, he was just a work.

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
I could just see my dad going, hey me, and
we're going to go to Mexico and he'd just say,
you wouldn't even put his newspaper down, just go have fun. Yeah,
you know, be careful. You know, he might say that
and that's it. Month goes by and they come back
or whatever. It's all good.

Speaker 6 (01:57:22):
Yeah, but Donald, your father, my grandfather continue to travel
like that too. He just get up and leave the
business and leave his painting and uh yeah, and go
to California, go to the New Orleans, go travel the world.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
Oh, they traveled a lot. Yeah, my dad didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:57:37):
Really like it was laid back as anybody I've ever known.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
Yeah, very laid back.

Speaker 6 (01:57:42):
Which is which is a rare you know, a rare
choxtaposition to be highly successful and laid back both. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
Yeah, he was as they were both, you know, both
my mom and my dad were. They were just both
very chill about. I mean, Wendy, my sister, just she
was like thirteen, she goes, I'm gonna move to Israel.

Speaker 7 (01:58:06):
And they're like, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
So she moved to Israel and worked in Israel digging,
doing archaeological digs at thirteen.

Speaker 6 (01:58:16):
Yeah, she's pretty young in Argentina.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Tell you what Argentina do at a young agent. Lived
there for like two years, and they were.

Speaker 7 (01:58:23):
Just it's all cool, Well, that's amazing, and that's the family.

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
We lived in. It's like, okay, so me, you know,
doing my adventures seemed like nothing compared to some of
you know, but I would I'd get on some pretty
crazy things and do.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Some just.

Speaker 6 (01:58:44):
Somebody has asked me about my remodeled museum home. Nothing
related to Bigfoot. But but for sure I'm close to finished.
I really am finished. I'm just just bringing in the
largest and most difficult items and now heaviest stuff for
clift and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:59:06):
Wow, so there's some questions for you. I don't know,
can you read the screen John? John?

Speaker 6 (01:59:15):
Spiritually charged artifacts? Yeah, yeah, there are important spiritually charged artifacts.
I I probably don't want to put that on the internet,
but for sure there's folk objects that uh that are
that come with power.

Speaker 7 (01:59:39):
Interesting said, yes, do you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
Have you do you ever had any kind of like uh,
pure normal stories yourself, like a ghost story, anything you've
ever experienced. It's gonna like you cannot explain.

Speaker 6 (02:00:00):
Some spiritual experiences, but they're very private.

Speaker 3 (02:00:03):
I would think, sure, that's fine, but if you ever
had just a normal, everyday, strange experience that maybe it
wasn't spiritual. I mean you have to put them all
in that category. I don't no, but mine were Okay,
so you're like your dad. So you're just like your
father exactly. You can't just say oh, that was just yes,

(02:00:28):
that is interesting. Okay, but have you ever just have
you ever seen a ghost? You've been in a movie
theater and you saw something weird or up in the
sky that wasn't a religious experience. It was just an experience. No, never,
like nothing, nothing I can think of.

Speaker 6 (02:00:47):
Okay, definitely some spiritual experiences that you might not say
we're spiritual.

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
Maybe everything I've had is spiritual, but I don't categorize
it as such.

Speaker 6 (02:00:59):
Right, it's the same, different language, different framing.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
Yeah, it's different framing, and I don't judge either. One.
I just blow mine off. I I was just blow
him off. I blow him up, blow him off, blow.

Speaker 6 (02:01:13):
We just see angels.

Speaker 3 (02:01:15):
Yeah, there you go. So, but it's interesting. So have
you had some things that definitely make you not doubt
the the the paranormal. I always say paranormal because it's
lack of a better word, right.

Speaker 6 (02:01:29):
Sure, yeah, yeah, there are forces beyond what nature as
we know it explains.

Speaker 7 (02:01:37):
Okay, it's good.

Speaker 3 (02:01:41):
I know. Allan's more. Allan's more like your brothers, more
like me. We swapped stories. Yeah, once when I was
a kid, this happened.

Speaker 8 (02:01:50):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
He was telling me about he was going to cross
a road, I think it was downtown or somewhere, and
he felt that a yank in the back of his
you know, pulled him backwards, and then a bus that
he didn't see just went. He looked behind him and
there's nobody there. You know, things like that. You've never

(02:02:11):
had anything like that. It's just like, huh maybe maybe, okay,
all right, he's not talking people, that's fine, But it's interesting.

Speaker 6 (02:02:24):
You mentioned my brother who leans more.

Speaker 7 (02:02:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:02:30):
Your dad became kind of what was he Buddhist or Hindu?

Speaker 3 (02:02:35):
My dad nothing. He just he believed in certain things
of many religions.

Speaker 6 (02:02:41):
He was fascinated by Eastern religions.

Speaker 3 (02:02:43):
He was fascinated by the yoga aspects of it, but
not necessarily spiritual or he's got hissm.

Speaker 6 (02:02:53):
My grandmother committed, which is interesting in your aunt convert
to Mormonism, Utah Mormonism, traditional Mormonism. My father converted to
a minority Letter Day Saint Church. So there is a
kind of a tendency in the family to be free thinking.

(02:03:16):
That's the way I would know that. So there's a
very open mindedness in the family that is crucial to
making discoveries, including inventions. When you think outside of the box,
when you think for yourself, when you think independently or
critically of everything around you, you can make discoveries, whether

(02:03:39):
they're in science or in religion, or in politics or
anything interesting. A lot of minority politics in the family too.

Speaker 3 (02:03:49):
I think, yeah, well, I'm just you know, I'm a Lutheran.

Speaker 6 (02:03:52):
Hey, I'm way out there, pretty mainstream, pretty mainstay.

Speaker 3 (02:03:58):
Yeah, so I'm just in stream Lutheran. And but it's
it is interesting how people have from our family have
just kind of gravitated to whatever they wanted to do.
And that's great, no judging, no anything, just full acceptance
and hey, if you want to, if you want to
get into this, it's great.

Speaker 7 (02:04:19):
Yeah, you're not an ideologue, You're you're pretty now, I mean,
you have strong beliefs, but you're open minded.

Speaker 3 (02:04:24):
You're not at all, certainly, Oh yeah for sure. Yeah.
And John's that way too.

Speaker 8 (02:04:28):
I know that.

Speaker 7 (02:04:29):
Yeah, I appreciate that. I really do.

Speaker 6 (02:04:31):
Vegans and vegetarians and manta there's a lot of everything
in our family.

Speaker 3 (02:04:35):
Yeah, very much so. All right, well, let's whine this
bad boy up. Let's hit our Wisdom of the week. Jeff,
all right, it's just just hang tight, John, Yep.

Speaker 7 (02:04:49):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (02:04:52):
It's time for Untold Radio Am Wisdom of the Week.
Learning isn't about knowing, it's about trying. Every master was
a beginner once, and most of them look ridiculous at
the start.

Speaker 7 (02:05:03):
The difference they kept going.

Speaker 1 (02:05:05):
So don't be afraid to look lost, don't be afraid
to ask dumb questions, break things and rebuild them. Skill
doesn't show up fully formed. It shows up covered in Greece,
frustration and persistence. If you're willing to look foolish for
a while, you'll eventually look like you were born for it.

Speaker 7 (02:05:25):
Good Night, We hope to see you all next week.

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Speaker 7 (02:05:48):
Good wisdom.

Speaker 3 (02:05:49):
As a way, Jack, well, thank you, John. This was
really awesome. It was fun to share all that personal
stuff of our family, which is, hey, I think it's great.
You can chare a little bit.

Speaker 6 (02:06:02):
I'll tell my friends it was going to be like
coming to our Christmas dinner.

Speaker 3 (02:06:06):
So exactly, but without the Tahila.

Speaker 7 (02:06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:06:11):
Sorry, anyhow, let's see here. I'm not sure who we
have on. I never I never say who we're going
to have on next week? Do I? I never do?
We should do that, shouldn't We probably probably be a
good idea, but I don't do that. But anyhow, I
don't remember, but it's going to be a good guess,

(02:06:33):
like John and John, you were awesome and I hope
to see you at Christmas. That's coming up right, Yeah, yeah,
it's coming up quick. It's just do you find to
like it's just time is accelerating, like really weird? Almost
have you noticed.

Speaker 6 (02:06:51):
That, well this year wouldst the last few months.

Speaker 3 (02:06:54):
When no, no, no, I don't mean that. I mean
like something's kind of not right, almost as if there
is an acceleration of time beyond just getting older. And
I do realize that like every day is less spruit. No,
I don't mean that. I mean looking at the clock, going, well,
it's five side is moving? What comes down? Everything is
back up and it's two hours have gone by.

Speaker 6 (02:07:15):
Everything's moving fast. I used to be able to just
get in my car anytime and drive up to Minneapolis.
So for the guests that don't know here, I'm in
Kansas City, but I'm from Minneapolis, so it's a shot
up I thirty five, seven or eight hours. And you know,
I used to get up there once a month, anytime
I wanted, and now it's you know, you struggle to

(02:07:37):
get up there a few times a year. And that's
even with my aging mothers. So yeah, well, you know,
one lives in Sant Cloud. Put in a good word
for my mom here, lives in Saint Cloud. Lives in
the same town where her ancestors have lived since eighteen
sixty five, wow or eighteen sixty maybe other than us

(02:07:59):
all moving to was Onsen for a while my father died.
Should be back.

Speaker 3 (02:08:03):
So everybody wants us to get Brandon on.

Speaker 6 (02:08:08):
Yeah we need Brandon for sure.

Speaker 7 (02:08:10):
Yeah, yeah, it'd be a great conversation.

Speaker 6 (02:08:12):
So animated, he's so likable.

Speaker 3 (02:08:15):
Yeah, well, if I'm connected, maybe I can get him on.
So I'll ask all right, we will We will talk soon.
Thanks John, We appreciate it. Thank you. So much, Jeff,
thank you everybody, all our moderate, all the active, all
the active chat and if you if you if you

(02:08:35):
won something you didn't win from the noted contest. Please
get hold of Jeff, get him your email, Please give
your your info and we'll get you out something but
not really Okay, goodbye, see y'all next week. All right,
s'all next week tonight everybody call you up in the
middle of.

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you give me comfort, say just give it some time
by the end of our talk and feeling just fine.

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Speaker 3 (02:10:18):
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Speaker 2 (02:10:22):
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