May 11, 2024 • 40 mins
In this episode, we sat down with some of the independent filmmakers from this year’s Creature Feature Weekend featuring:
02:16 - The Mutilator (Retrospective Review)
05:00 - The Mutilator 2 Review10:45 - Buddy Cooper, the writer-director behind The Mutilator & The Mutilator 2
18:46 - Buffalo Bill’s House (https://buffalobillshouse.com/)
27:48 - Bobby Heckman, Producer of Screamwalkers + writer-director of Victim No More 2
35:44 - Screamwalkers Review
If you or someone you know is reading this right now and struggling with suicide, depression, addiction, or self-harm - please reach out. Comment, message, or tweet at us. Go to victimsandvillains.net/hope for more resources. Call the suicide lifeline at 988. Text "HELP" to 741-741. There is hope & you DO have so much value and worth!This episode of Victims and Villains is written by Josh “Captain Nostalgia” Burkey & Allen Cramm.
It is produced by Burkey. Music by Mallory Jameson (https://bit.ly/expandmal) & Purple Planet (https://bit.ly/ppcoms). Help us get mental health resources into schools and get exclusive content at the same time. Click here (http://bit.ly/vavpatreon) to support us today!
02:16 - The Mutilator (Retrospective Review)
05:00 - The Mutilator 2 Review10:45 - Buddy Cooper, the writer-director behind The Mutilator & The Mutilator 2
18:46 - Buffalo Bill’s House (https://buffalobillshouse.com/)
27:48 - Bobby Heckman, Producer of Screamwalkers + writer-director of Victim No More 2
35:44 - Screamwalkers Review
If you or someone you know is reading this right now and struggling with suicide, depression, addiction, or self-harm - please reach out. Comment, message, or tweet at us. Go to victimsandvillains.net/hope for more resources. Call the suicide lifeline at 988. Text "HELP" to 741-741. There is hope & you DO have so much value and worth!This episode of Victims and Villains is written by Josh “Captain Nostalgia” Burkey & Allen Cramm.
It is produced by Burkey. Music by Mallory Jameson (https://bit.ly/expandmal) & Purple Planet (https://bit.ly/ppcoms). Help us get mental health resources into schools and get exclusive content at the same time. Click here (http://bit.ly/vavpatreon) to support us today!
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Four Victims and Villains. My nameis Josh. Welcome to the podcast feed.
This has been kind of just aplace where we're putting live content at
this point, you guys are newto the Victims and Villains name. We
are a multimedia nonprofit that creates content. We host events to talk about mental
health through pop culture. And I'mso glad that you decided to hit play
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and join us for the special episodeof Creature Feature Weekend twenty twenty four.
Now, in a little bit,you guys are gonna get to hear three
interviews that we did at the conventionon the floor. But first off,
I'm gonna talk a little bit aboutsome of the movies that I got a
chance to see. So for thoseof guys that do or do not know,
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Creature Feature Weekend is held once ayear in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, and
it is a amalgamation between a filmfestival that showcases not only classic horror but
also new up and coming voices withinthe genre as well. And on the
flip side of that, they alsohave a horror convention where they host celebrities,
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horror rafters, vendors, movie distributors, et cetera, et cetera.
It's a great time. Click thelinks in the show notes below to check
out more information about Creature Future Weekend. They're typically now are holding this in
the spring. Victims and Villains hasbeen blessed to be a part of Preacher
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Future Weekend since its inception a fewyears ago, and if you guys want
to check out back episodes, pleasego check them out. We've had guests
from those conventions come oute Crossover andwork with us to be podcast guests.
Hosts talk about their new projects,et cetera. But I want to jump
into this episode talking about a littleeighties film called The Mutilator. Now,
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the Mutilator is this is a cultclassic film at this point, it is
celebrating forty years this year, andI was lucky enough to get to see
The Mutilator on the big screen forits forty year anniversary. So I'm actually
gonna kick this episode off with alittle bit of a retrospective piece on the
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Mutilator. By this point, youcan pretty much catch The Mutilator on a
number of different streaming services, includingtwo B, Pluto, et cetera,
and a lot of the paid forservices as well. If you don't know
what The Mutilator is. Essentially,it is a B movie slasher from nineteen
eighty four and tells the story ofa group of friends that go to shut
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down a lake house at the endof the summer season and are slowly picked
off one by one. Now,I've seen this movie only once before,
and I don't know if I wasjust not having a great day or if
I just did and essentially get it. I needed to see this movie with
an audience. I didn't like thismovie the first time I saw it,
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and seeing it now in a secondtime with an audience after meeting some of
the cast and crew, which youguys will get to hear later on in
this episode, I really dug this. I thought that this it's a pretty
straightforward eighties slasher, but it hasa lot of awesome gags and has a
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lot of just memorable, really goofycharacters, and it's just a really fun
time. It's not deep, doesn'thave any great character development or break down
any new walls. It's just afun time. And I think I don't
know if I initially went into thismovie the first time I saw it expecting
something profound and deep and looking forsomething really artistic. This is just a
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example of just a really fun eightiesslasher that I think is worth putting in
the same conversation that you know filmslike Friday the Thirteenth, Nightmare on Elm
Street, Child's Play, Slumber Party, Massacre, a lot of these really
goofy, just really campy, butstill really fun times. This I think
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deserves to be in the conversation forit, and I was really fortunate enough
to get to see it, andI just have a new found appreciation for
this. So I think originally whenI was when I rad this on letterbox,
I went to a one out offive, I'm bomping this bad boy
up to a three out of five. I had a blast with this.
Just just a really really fun timeand it just it stands on its own
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really well. But it brings usto our next film, which is The
Mutilator two, which is the moviethat they were promoting this weekend at Creature
Feature Weekend. Mutilator two. Ittakes place forty years after the original.
The new one is remaking the Mutilela quote unquote movie in its own universe.
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It's essentially a movie within a movie. It's very meta. But during
the rap party. A lot ofthe events of the original film art imitates
life and so on and so forth. So Buddy Cooper returns to write and
direct this one, and I haveto say I absolutely adored this film from
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start to finish. It is verymeta, and I am a sucker for
a meta movie. But also otherthan that, this movie is just downright
freaking hysterical. I cannot remember thelast time that I have laughed at a
horror comedy this much. And notonly that, but I've talked about this
in the past before. My issuewith the sub genre and the amalgamation of
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a horror comedy is that it seemslike it's too too heavy on the comedy
not not enough on the horror,and vice versa with this one, I
think the reason this works so wellwell is that there are so many laugh
out loud moments, but they arebalanced perfectly with all of the gags,
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and this one really doubles down onthe horror elements of it with the slashers.
There's a lot of creative deaths inhere, and just getting to kind
of see who was going to dieand how they were going to die next
really made me appreciate this movie.More. This movie is a brisk like
eighty minutes and honestly, I wantedfifteen minutes more. There's a lot that
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I really loved about this movie,starting off with the cast. I think
the cast is top notch. Thiscast is an ensemble cast bringing together a
brand new crew that is remaking thisquote unquote in universe reboot of the original
film. Then you also match thatwith the cast of the original nineteen eighty
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four film, and I love theway that they juxtaposed one another, the
way that the old and the newmesh. It's really not every day that
you find something that works in theway that this one does. And typically
when it comes to ensembles, whatyou find is if it's a quote unquote
legacy sequel, it focuses too muchon the legacy and not enough on the
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new blood. And this one reallybalances itself out really well. There are
several moments in this movie that withthe deaths in this that really made me
squeamish and really pushed my boundary asa viewer. And I always really appreciate
that because there's a great entertainment valuein that, but also at the same
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time, it is a level ofpracticality that comes with that, that you
really allow the medium of practical effectsto really elevate what you're watching as a
viewer, and I think The MutilatorToo is a great example of that.
This film feels like it's a modernfilm because of the because of the gags,
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but it has that throwback vibe toit because of some of the cast
and because of some of the practicaleffects elements and how they're utilized. Now
I got to see this on itsEast Coast premiere. It's currently going to
try and peruse to some of thefestivals across the world. If you get
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a chance to see The Mutilator Too. I cannot recommend this movie enough.
I'm giving it a four out offive. I think this will go down
as potentially one of my favorite filmsof the year. Maybe not like all
genres, but definitely the horror genre. This movie is an absolute blast.
We're gonna take a quick commercial break, and when we come back, we're
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These are hard topics and this stigmaaround them doesn't make it any easier.
But please consider the resources right inthe descriptions below. Wherever you guys
are listening, because once again youhave value and you have worth, So
please stay with us. I amnow here with Buddy Cooper. He is
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the director on the cult classics slasherfilm The Mutilator and now The Mutilator too.
How are you doing today? Doingwell? Thank you? I hope
you are. I am also well. So I got to ask before we
talk about the sequel, how doesit feel to have the cult class sick
following around a film like The Mutilator. Well, it feels good. I
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don't know, it doesn't feel bad. It was through the years, it
has grown in popularity. More peopleknow about it. When when we first
made it, none of us hadany idea that was going to have this
kind of stay in power. Itwas a lot of fun for us,
all the people who worked on it. We had a good time, cast
and crew, and everybody stayed intouch and we're all delighted that a lot
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more people like it. It's around. Yeah, So The Mutilator has been
around for forty some odd years.We're in this era now of horror where
legacy sequels are the hot ticket items. So what made you want to make
a sequel after so long? Well, we wanted to make a sequel from
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the very beginning. We were kickingaround ideas before the shoot the first one
was over, but things got inthe way. Money was a problem.
It took a while to get toget my money back from the first one.
Then I had children going to college, and I was practicing law,
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which took a lot of time,and just one thing after another, my
father died and my sisters and elderlymother asked me to take over the oversight
of the family business. There wentanother twenty years and finally it just reached
a point where it was either doit or don't do it. But thinking
about it, it was time todo it. It wasn't something It wasn't
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something that just occurred to me acouple of years ago. Been thinking about
it for a long time. Well, I haven't seen yet. I'm really
excited to. I really enjoyed thefirst Metal Leator. What are for fans
of the first meet Leador? Whatcan we expect with the sequel? How
does it tie into the original Thesetup is that there is a remake being
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made of the General, which whichwhich afforded the opportunity to invite some of
the casts from the original back.It's Uh, it's the last day of
the shoot on this film within thefilm, and there's a rap party that
night, and so that some ofRuth Martinez and Bill Hitchcock have returned to
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come to the to the rap party. Uh. We can expect. Aside
from that, we can expect muchof the same that that was in the
first one. It's a it's afirst one was made for the gol fans,
and this one is also made forthe gol fans. Practical effects.
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I don't know what to say.I can't say too much without giving it
away with this one, in termsof the having the original cast re turning.
What was that like for you asa as a storyteller to kind of
get to work with these people again. Oh, it was. It was
rewarding. But there's not people thatI haven't seen in forty years. Bill
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lives near me and Ruthi's in NorthCarolina in the state. We've been in
touch throughout the last forty years.We've been to horror festivals, have been
festivals where the Mute Leader was shown, and Bill and Ruth almost always went
to attend. Jack Chatham came toa lot of them. Jack. We
started pre production on Muteletter two beforethe pandemic and Jack was on board.
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But the pandemic came set us backa few more years. And Jack's ninety
six now, and he said hejust can't can't do it, but he
did want to come down and watchthe shoot, so he did come down.
One day. We're shooting a scenein a breakfast scene in a restaurant
at the ocean and a pier andJack came in and sat over there and
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there's a shot in the movie.I said, Jack, if you come
down, we're gonna put you inthe movie. He's sitting in a booth
looking at the men. You andhe's in there for us. Just a
shot, just a shot of Jack. So it's good. We'd said it's
been in touch with Jack through allthe years too. All the other and
the other actors too, will bemore died, Connie Rogers, Mory Lampley
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died, But the rest of it'sare we're on each other's contact lists,
email lists. Yeah, Well,I'm excited to see it. And one
of the things that I'm fascinated aboutcult classics is how they have like a
life of their own after their initialrelease. And some of that plays into
them being comfort films and or likeyou know, mental health safe spaces.
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So having something like the Mutilator beingthat for some individuals, how does that
feel as an artist? I've neverthought of the Mutilator as a it's creating
a comfort zone for anybody. Uh. I'm delighted to learn that it is,
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though I'm concerned. I often wonderabout what effect the violence and movies
has on violence in real life.And we try to make it clear that
that our movies are like comic books. They're not real. I don't think
we're actually taking somebody's head off thatthat doesn't work that way. And we
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make that plane during the thing,and particularly in the end and the end
credits, and we show everybody's okay. Uh. If if people find solid
and my pictures, I'm glad tohear it, they are more power to
them with this. Also two morequestions for you. This one. We
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are showing the muta Leader to hereat Creature Feature to this weekends, and
what are the plans kind of postthat, well, we are searching for
distribution. We've got a couple offers, thinking about them, talking to lawyers
about it. I was fortunate enoughto meet Sylvia Khamoner, who is a
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director for Samantha Brown Shows on PBS. Sylvia just finished a horror movie called
Follow Her, which I liked alot, and she's we agreed that the
distribution part of making a movie such. She said that she took her movie
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to festivals and found that that wasa good way to proceed, and she
sent to me a list of festivalswhich she would suggest, and I started
applying to them. So we're goingto be going to festivals around the world.
The first one I'm applying to isFlight Theft in London, and somewhere
along the way we will get adecent distribution deal and everybody will be able
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to see it. Right. Well, my last question for you is that
I'm asking artists like yourself this weekend, and is what is one horror film
and or franchise that has been inpositive safe space or impact on your mental
health? How did you know Ineeded help with my mental health? I
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I don't think there's anyone that hasprovided help for my mental health. Although
my favorite is alien, so maybethat maybe that counts somehow and I'm not
aware of it. Wish Okay,well, buddy, thank you so much
for your time. Mutilator too.If you guys haven't catched the Mutilator,
you guys can stream it on multipleplatforms. Go to just watch dot com
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to find out. Thank you somuch for your time, my pleasure.
Take two for Buffalo Bill's House outof Will Pennsyl Perry, Altholis, Pennsylvani.
I'm terrible with names. I'm herewith Chris, the general then behind
the project. Now, I interviewedyou a couple of years ago, so
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I know a couple of these storiestech issues happened. But tell us a
little bit about this attraction. Yeah. So, Buffalo Bill's House is the
real filming location where The Silence ofthe Lambs was filmed. Silence is predominantly
a Pittsburgh shot film. Most ofthe movie was shot in that region.
In the last twenty five to thirtyminutes of Silence, the big climax,
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was shot inside this house. Thishouse went for sale about three years ago,
and we purchased it with the soulintent to turn it into a movie
themed attraction. So it is essentiallyan Airbnb now that you can rent out.
We rent it out regularly to guessup to eight. You get the
whole home to yourself, just likea standard Airbnb format. You don't share
rooms with any other parties. Wealso have a secondary format. We do
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guided tours from May through October ofeach year. Our first tours are Mother's
Day weekend and then we do aFather's Day weekend and a number of others,
and we're also offering up the housefor on location filming. My day
job and the background you were askingabout, I am an art director in
the film business. I have beenfor about twenty years. Basically I handle
props and make things look good forfilm sets, and that was my inspiration
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to get involved with the house.Of course, being a huge horror fan
didn't hurt, but it's been reallyawesome to see people's reactions to like the
experience that we're providing for people.This house has never been open to the
public until we did it. Thewell has been built in the basement.
I was built by in partnership withTom Savini, famous special effects makeup artist,
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his talented faculty in students at hisschool built the well for us.
It's been cool, and you know, honestly, we've had a lot of
support from the horror, you know, celebrity community. We've had Caine Hodter
visit the house, Jason Doug Bradley, Pinhead, Dan Roebuck from all of
rob Zombies movies, and we evenhad our first music video shot at the
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house. Recently, the heavy metalband Tapper just filmed a single there.
So it's been cool. You know. So this started out as a COVID
project for you what what made youwant to and what inspired you to kind
of go after and pursue this.It did happen during you know, the
world being on fire and the worldshut down, and you know, truthfully,
I found myself sitting home. Thefilm business was greatly affected at that
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point in time. Therefore, Iwas essentially out of work like a lot
of people. That's when this housewent for sale, leaning on my skill
set of building sets and making thingslook good. This basically was the inspiration
for it, and that being ahuge horror fan too. When I went
out and drove out to Pittsburgh tosee the house for the first time,
I knew it had the bones todo what I wanted to do. I
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just knew would be the biggest projectI've ever tackled in my entire life,
and it was. It took overa year to renovate and get prepared and
ready for opening, and we officiallyopened our doors Labor Day twenty twenty one.
We're happy to say that, youknow, in the last you know,
a couple of years, we've hostedguests from thirty five different states here
in the United States, in eightinternational countries. Our furthest guests have come
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all the way from Denmark, France, Germany, and the Netherlands. So
it's really cool to see that BuffaloBill's house and silence of the Lambs still
resonates with people thirty years later.And if you are a fan of thrillers
or spooky movies or just filming locationsin general, it is an absolute bucket
list place to visit. Can youtalk about what the condition of the home
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was like when you first inherited it? Oh? Sure, yeah, so
I mean upon seeing it. Thankfully, we're actually only the fourth owners in
the history of the home. Thehome is a Victorian home, specifically Queen
Anne. Victorian is the architectural stylenot a lot of homes like that left,
especially in that region. All thewoodwork is completely original. The marble
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is over a century old, thoughthe home is built in nineteen ten,
so it is one hundred and fourteenyears old. Thankfully, all those owners
really kept it in really great shape. There was some work to be done,
you know, nominal things that neededto happen to make it, you
know, the way we envisioned it. But the bones were all there.
You know. It did take abouta year worth of minor renovations, painting,
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spackling, some electrical upgrades and stufflike that to get it all ready,
and then we furnished it. Youknow. The well took another year
to do. We did open intwenty one. The well was open for
Halloween season twenty twenty two when wepartnered with Tom Savini and his special effects
school. Awesome well. I thinkone of my questions in terms of like,
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obviously, people watching this right nowmay may or may not know.
I mean, obviously, it seemslike you guys have kind of had a
reputation that kind of took off.What does it look like if someone is
looking to rent the Airbnb or kindof go through the guy A tourus financially.
Oh sure, yeah, absolutely.All the pricing is available at Buffalo
Bill's House dot com. You doget the home completely to yourself for up
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to eight guests. All pricing islisted there. You could find all the
info. The thing is we makeit accessible for everybody. Most people do
come into group and split the costaccordingly amongst that group. It's really easy
to do. We've been really blessedwith having some Pillar reviews. We have
over one hundred and sixty something fivestar reviews on Google and that weighs a
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lot for people who are deciding toyou know, whether they or not they
want to visit. We're really appreciativeof that. Most importantly, we appreciated
the support of the film enthusiast communitydoing these shows like this one. You
know, we go up and downthe East Coast out to the Midwest.
The more and more people we meet, the more we get our word out.
And we're certainly thankful for everyone whohas taken the time to tour with
us, stay with us. Andwe are also engaging in the on location
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filming, so we're in talks witha new horror feature to potentially film in
the fall of twenty twenty four.So if you are a film production company,
horror or otherwise and are looking forlocations, Buffalo Bill's House is certainly
available for that as well. Somy last question I'm gonna ask people this
weekend is what is one horror filmor horror property that has been a positive
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effect in your mental health? Oh? Definitely. I'm a huge Halloween franchise
guy. I love Michael Myers.I certainly have my Halloween one tattoo here.
So you're big Meyers fan and havebeen since I was a kid,
so, you know, years ago, long before Buffalo Bills, I never
did a filming location vacation per se. But every time I went on vacation,
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I went somewhere far away. Iwould find out what was shot in
this area, you know, likewhat was filmed. So of course,
when I did Southern California years ago, I visited the Myers House and Freddie's
House and all that. As ahorror fan, but that franchise, seeing
you know, Southern California where theoriginal Halloween was shot, the Myers House,
you know, the Strode House whereJamie Lee Curtis was those were kind
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of iconic locations that stuck with me, and they were important to me growing
up because I was such a Halloweenfan. So seeing them in person definitely
was always kind of inspirational to me, definitely gave me some thoughts about how
I wanted to navigate Buffalo Bill's Houseand you know, make it what it
is today. All right, Well, thank you sir. Last question,
of course, work people find you, follow the socials, find out more
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No More, which we talked abouta couple of years ago, and if
you guys haven't seen Victim No More, go check it out free on YouTube.
But we're here talking about a differentthat he is the executive producer on
today, and that is Scream Walkers. How are you doing? We're doing
fantastic. We're actually about to havethe scream Walker's premiere here at Creature Future
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Weekend at two pm Saturday afternoon andit's gonna be it's gonna be awesome,
we hope. The influence for ScreamWalkers is all the like shot on video,
like nineties horror like ripoffs that camelike after Scream. So it's kind
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of a mix of Scream and StephenKing's Sleepwalker's movie, which you know has
its own little cult following. Soyou mash those two things up. Shoot
it on analog. It's analog horror, so it's shot on video, so
it's like, you know, fourx three, like you rented this like
backyard movie from the video store backin the day kind of thing. You
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know. Yeah, it's gonna begreat. We we. There was a
great cast. Some of that castI'm gonna be bringing over into Victim No
More too, and yeah it's gonnabe crazy. And there's a there's a
mummy in this movie too, Soif that's any uh, you know,
way of getting you to go seethis movie, I mean, come on,
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not many movies have a mummy init, and uh that appears out
of nowhere. So let me getthis straight. So it's got a found
footage aspect to it, a littlebit of a slasher for influence, got
a random Mummy in it, andit's got a nineties vibe to it.
Am I missing anything? It's gotsome ancient Egyptian cat goddesses also thrown in
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there. Yeah, the Goddess offertility plays a part in it. Two
and and uh b B movie starwho did Sasha Graham is in it,
who did a lot of like jR. Bookwalter movies. If you're familiar
with his shot on video classics,Let's see what else. No, but
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it, you know, has avery kind of like flow and feel of
like scream movies, like that kindof like movie until like things go bonkers
and you know, go off indifferent directions and twists and turns. So
obviously producing is a lot different thanthe writer director had and even minor cameo
that you had in Victim No More. But how did you get involved with
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this project? Sean King? Hewas the cinematographer for Victim the More and
he wanted to bring you know,he's a fantastic cinematographer. He's very OCD,
which I appreciate, and wants toget lighting and everything perfect and everything,
you know, like real setups forlike shooting a four K you know,
great looking movie, but he wantedto take a step back and like
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do movies like that. He wasinfluenced by with all the direct to video
shot on video movies of the eightiesand nineties. He wanted to go back
to that style when he was likea kid shooting things, you know,
at different locations and backyards and stuffwith his buddies. So he's like,
let's go back to doing something likethat, but with like good actors,
and you know, we'll you know, treat it like a real movie.
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But you know, but it's justgonna come off like a like a like
an old like an old movie youfound on like you know, public access
or something, you know, backin the day. But yeah, I
had I had, you know,kind of a me and him kind of
came up with a story and acouple of other like friends. He came
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up with a story, and hegot down and writing and directing it and
shooting it too, and yeah,shooting shooting in on cam quarters, uh,
you know, and we would haveour own problems with that. Some
of those broke down and we'd haveto like try to figure out how to
like fix them. And yeah,I mean a lot of the people that
were involved in my film, wereinvolved in his film, and other friends
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that he other filmmaker friends that hehas got involved and it was just a
great experience and we shot at lastfall and premiering it today. Awesome.
Well I haven't seen it yet,but you guys can check it. Stick
out the podcast portion of this.You guys are currently listening to this on
streaming, but I will have areview spoilly free that you guys can check
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out, and we'll know if meand Bobby are still friends or not afterwards.
But always always going to be friends. Last question I got to ask
for you is is development on VictimNo More? What? Two? Where's
this story going? You've been teasingit for a while, we've been following
social media. Tell us a littlebit about it. Well, I want
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to make actually two sequels to Victimthe More, make it a trilogy,
but I want each film to kindof stand on its own, but also
and be a little different from eachother. So but also sequels to each
other. So the second film thatwe're preparing campaign starts September thirteenth this year.
It's Friday thirteenth, of course,and it'll be a Friday thirteenth anthology
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film. So It'll be four shortstories with a wrap around story connecting it
to the first movie. And it'llbe if you know, if you've seen
the movie Victim, the more yousee it ends with a well, I
don't want to spoil it, Iguess, but it'll be about a group
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of survivors and their origins basically,and like how they got to their point
to point to the end of themovie, of the first movie, so
it'll be their backstories. My lastquestion for you, what is one horror
movie and or horror franchise that hashad a positive impact on your mental health?
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Friday the thirteenth, and it's anytimeI was, you know, depressed
or down in my younger years,I would put on Friday thirteenth. It
would make me smile, it would, you know. I mean, all
horror movies are always great to likeescape to. I mean all movies really
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in general, are always a greatescape. You know, like it just
takes you out of your own lifeand you get, you know, emotionally
attached to characters and other movies andsituations, and you know, you escape
for a little while. And butFriday thirteenth is always you know, and
and you know, those those messagesof like, you know, standing up
against evil and stuff like that.I was always rooting for like the Final
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Girls or Final Boys in movies,and in those movies and taking down the
bad guy at the end, eventhough he'll return in the sequel, you
know, but it's still, youknow, it was, you know,
inspiring in a way. I know, back then, we didn't really look
at it that, you know,we used to look like trashy horror movies.
But like now you look back onthose movies and you're saying, like,
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oh, these were like strong characters. They you know, they gathered
their shit together and can I sayshit and uh, you know, stand
up against evil and face adversity andtheir fears and try to conquer them by
the end of the movie. Andyeah, it can be just as inspiring
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as a superhero movie sometimes, youknow. Well, Bobby, I thank
you. Movies are called Scream Walkersand Victim No More. And check out
Victim No More on YouTube. Youguys are watching this on YouTube, stick
to the end of the video andwe'll link it here. Out of the
theater reaction for Scream Walkers, thisshort film tells the story of a small
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town that is gripped with a seriesof murders with ties to Egyptian heritage,
and I gotta say this movie isa lot of fun. It is feels
like it is purposely a throwback tonineties B movies and like I would even
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say eighties. I know the filmmakerswere having the intention of having this feel
like it was a nineties film,but it definitely feels like it belongs in
like also the conversation of like eightiesdirect to video sequels and slashers. First
off, gotta say that the characterdesigned for the villain is incredibly slick.
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It allows for some really smart jokesand some just some really awesome, hilarious
moments. And I know that thefilmmakers probably meant it for it to be
a nod to scream, but itactually ends up becoming a nod to scary
movie the way that it plays out, and I think it's smarter for that.
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Because of this, this movie isnot gonna be for everyone. This
movie is purposely over the top.It is schlocky, and it's smart.
Of the reason that I really hadso much fun with it is because of
its shlock it knows what it wantsto be and it doubles down in that
identity, and it's not trying tobe anything. It's it's it's not gonna
be. It's shot on analog,which really adds to the aesthetic and the
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feel of everything that they're going for. Again, I think it's that's a
really smart decision, really awesome thingfor them to endure, and it just
looks really really gnarly. I willsay though, the performance is because of
the shlock. They really double down. Some of them are really good,
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some of them are really bad,and some of them are over the top
and they're so bad that they're actuallyend up being good. I do want
to highlight one performance in particular,and that is Elizabeth Devalney, who plays
our main protagon CJ. She's reallygreat in this. This movie doesn't have
a whole lot of emotional foundations oremotional things that really needs to be you
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know, world class, top tieractor for but the emotional portions that the
film does have because of having someonelike Devalli Devali in the role, it
just it makes it so much better. And her performance really balanced between being
like a capable actress of captivating emotionsor at least conveying them on top of
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also being allowed to be over thetop and schlocky, and it was they
just balance it really well. Ireally love the use of humor in this
Pacing is kind of all over theplace. If there's one thing that this
film does wrong, it's pacing.There are portions of this of this film
that feel like it has a nicesteady pace, and then there are other
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portions of it that feel like itgoes out a little bit too fast,
or the reveals are a little bittoo slow, and all of these other
things. And I really wish itwould have kept the majority of the beautiful
pacing sticks within the first thirty minutesof the movie, And I really wish
that for this only being a sixtyplus minute movie, I really wish that
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they would have kept that steady pacein the second act the second half.
But unfortunately it's real hit or miss. So I really do ultimately end up
really liking this film. If youget a chance to check it out,
it's really fun. If you grewup on eighties B movies or even some
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of the nineties direct to video things, this is a perfect film for you.
I'm gonna go ahead and give thisone a three point five out of
five. I had a lot offun with this
Four Victims and Villains. My nameis Josh. Welcome to the podcast feed.
This has been kind of just aplace where we're putting live content at
this point, you guys are newto the Victims and Villains name. We
are a multimedia nonprofit that creates content. We host events to talk about mental
health through pop culture. And I'mso glad that you decided to hit play
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and join us for the special episodeof Creature Feature Weekend twenty twenty four.
Now, in a little bit,you guys are gonna get to hear three
interviews that we did at the conventionon the floor. But first off,
I'm gonna talk a little bit aboutsome of the movies that I got a
chance to see. So for thoseof guys that do or do not know,
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Creature Feature Weekend is held once ayear in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, and
it is a amalgamation between a filmfestival that showcases not only classic horror but
also new up and coming voices withinthe genre as well. And on the
flip side of that, they alsohave a horror convention where they host celebrities,
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horror rafters, vendors, movie distributors, et cetera, et cetera.
It's a great time. Click thelinks in the show notes below to check
out more information about Creature Future Weekend. They're typically now are holding this in
the spring. Victims and Villains hasbeen blessed to be a part of Preacher
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Future Weekend since its inception a fewyears ago, and if you guys want
to check out back episodes, pleasego check them out. We've had guests
from those conventions come oute Crossover andwork with us to be podcast guests.
Hosts talk about their new projects,et cetera. But I want to jump
into this episode talking about a littleeighties film called The Mutilator. Now,
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the Mutilator is this is a cultclassic film at this point, it is
celebrating forty years this year, andI was lucky enough to get to see
The Mutilator on the big screen forits forty year anniversary. So I'm actually
gonna kick this episode off with alittle bit of a retrospective piece on the
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Mutilator. By this point, youcan pretty much catch The Mutilator on a
number of different streaming services, includingtwo B, Pluto, et cetera,
and a lot of the paid forservices as well. If you don't know
what The Mutilator is. Essentially,it is a B movie slasher from nineteen
eighty four and tells the story ofa group of friends that go to shut
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down a lake house at the endof the summer season and are slowly picked
off one by one. Now,I've seen this movie only once before,
and I don't know if I wasjust not having a great day or if
I just did and essentially get it. I needed to see this movie with
an audience. I didn't like thismovie the first time I saw it,
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and seeing it now in a secondtime with an audience after meeting some of
the cast and crew, which youguys will get to hear later on in
this episode, I really dug this. I thought that this it's a pretty
straightforward eighties slasher, but it hasa lot of awesome gags and has a
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lot of just memorable, really goofycharacters, and it's just a really fun
time. It's not deep, doesn'thave any great character development or break down
any new walls. It's just afun time. And I think I don't
know if I initially went into thismovie the first time I saw it expecting
something profound and deep and looking forsomething really artistic. This is just a
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example of just a really fun eightiesslasher that I think is worth putting in
the same conversation that you know filmslike Friday the Thirteenth, Nightmare on Elm
Street, Child's Play, Slumber Party, Massacre, a lot of these really
goofy, just really campy, butstill really fun times. This I think
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deserves to be in the conversation forit, and I was really fortunate enough
to get to see it, andI just have a new found appreciation for
this. So I think originally whenI was when I rad this on letterbox,
I went to a one out offive, I'm bomping this bad boy
up to a three out of five. I had a blast with this.
Just just a really really fun timeand it just it stands on its own
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really well. But it brings usto our next film, which is The
Mutilator two, which is the moviethat they were promoting this weekend at Creature
Feature Weekend. Mutilator two. Ittakes place forty years after the original.
The new one is remaking the Mutilela quote unquote movie in its own universe.
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It's essentially a movie within a movie. It's very meta. But during
the rap party. A lot ofthe events of the original film art imitates
life and so on and so forth. So Buddy Cooper returns to write and
direct this one, and I haveto say I absolutely adored this film from
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start to finish. It is verymeta, and I am a sucker for
a meta movie. But also otherthan that, this movie is just downright
freaking hysterical. I cannot remember thelast time that I have laughed at a
horror comedy this much. And notonly that, but I've talked about this
in the past before. My issuewith the sub genre and the amalgamation of
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a horror comedy is that it seemslike it's too too heavy on the comedy
not not enough on the horror,and vice versa with this one, I
think the reason this works so wellwell is that there are so many laugh
out loud moments, but they arebalanced perfectly with all of the gags,
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and this one really doubles down onthe horror elements of it with the slashers.
There's a lot of creative deaths inhere, and just getting to kind
of see who was going to dieand how they were going to die next
really made me appreciate this movie.More. This movie is a brisk like
eighty minutes and honestly, I wantedfifteen minutes more. There's a lot that
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I really loved about this movie,starting off with the cast. I think
the cast is top notch. Thiscast is an ensemble cast bringing together a
brand new crew that is remaking thisquote unquote in universe reboot of the original
film. Then you also match thatwith the cast of the original nineteen eighty
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four film, and I love theway that they juxtaposed one another, the
way that the old and the newmesh. It's really not every day that
you find something that works in theway that this one does. And typically
when it comes to ensembles, whatyou find is if it's a quote unquote
legacy sequel, it focuses too muchon the legacy and not enough on the
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new blood. And this one reallybalances itself out really well. There are
several moments in this movie that withthe deaths in this that really made me
squeamish and really pushed my boundary asa viewer. And I always really appreciate
that because there's a great entertainment valuein that, but also at the same
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time, it is a level ofpracticality that comes with that, that you
really allow the medium of practical effectsto really elevate what you're watching as a
viewer, and I think The MutilatorToo is a great example of that.
This film feels like it's a modernfilm because of the because of the gags,
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but it has that throwback vibe toit because of some of the cast
and because of some of the practicaleffects elements and how they're utilized. Now
I got to see this on itsEast Coast premiere. It's currently going to
try and peruse to some of thefestivals across the world. If you get
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a chance to see The Mutilator Too. I cannot recommend this movie enough.
I'm giving it a four out offive. I think this will go down
as potentially one of my favorite filmsof the year. Maybe not like all
genres, but definitely the horror genre. This movie is an absolute blast.
We're gonna take a quick commercial break, and when we come back, we're
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These are hard topics and this stigmaaround them doesn't make it any easier.
But please consider the resources right inthe descriptions below. Wherever you guys
are listening, because once again youhave value and you have worth, So
please stay with us. I amnow here with Buddy Cooper. He is
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the director on the cult classics slasherfilm The Mutilator and now The Mutilator too.
How are you doing today? Doingwell? Thank you? I hope
you are. I am also well. So I got to ask before we
talk about the sequel, how doesit feel to have the cult class sick
following around a film like The Mutilator. Well, it feels good. I
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don't know, it doesn't feel bad. It was through the years, it
has grown in popularity. More peopleknow about it. When when we first
made it, none of us hadany idea that was going to have this
kind of stay in power. Itwas a lot of fun for us,
all the people who worked on it. We had a good time, cast
and crew, and everybody stayed intouch and we're all delighted that a lot
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more people like it. It's around. Yeah, So The Mutilator has been
around for forty some odd years.We're in this era now of horror where
legacy sequels are the hot ticket items. So what made you want to make
a sequel after so long? Well, we wanted to make a sequel from
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the very beginning. We were kickingaround ideas before the shoot the first one
was over, but things got inthe way. Money was a problem.
It took a while to get toget my money back from the first one.
Then I had children going to college, and I was practicing law,
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which took a lot of time,and just one thing after another, my
father died and my sisters and elderlymother asked me to take over the oversight
of the family business. There wentanother twenty years and finally it just reached
a point where it was either doit or don't do it. But thinking
about it, it was time todo it. It wasn't something It wasn't
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something that just occurred to me acouple of years ago. Been thinking about
it for a long time. Well, I haven't seen yet. I'm really
excited to. I really enjoyed thefirst Metal Leator. What are for fans
of the first meet Leador? Whatcan we expect with the sequel? How
does it tie into the original Thesetup is that there is a remake being
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made of the General, which whichwhich afforded the opportunity to invite some of
the casts from the original back.It's Uh, it's the last day of
the shoot on this film within thefilm, and there's a rap party that
night, and so that some ofRuth Martinez and Bill Hitchcock have returned to
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come to the to the rap party. Uh. We can expect. Aside
from that, we can expect muchof the same that that was in the
first one. It's a it's afirst one was made for the gol fans,
and this one is also made forthe gol fans. Practical effects.
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I don't know what to say.I can't say too much without giving it
away with this one, in termsof the having the original cast re turning.
What was that like for you asa as a storyteller to kind of
get to work with these people again. Oh, it was. It was
rewarding. But there's not people thatI haven't seen in forty years. Bill
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lives near me and Ruthi's in NorthCarolina in the state. We've been in
touch throughout the last forty years.We've been to horror festivals, have been
festivals where the Mute Leader was shown, and Bill and Ruth almost always went
to attend. Jack Chatham came toa lot of them. Jack. We
started pre production on Muteletter two beforethe pandemic and Jack was on board.
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But the pandemic came set us backa few more years. And Jack's ninety
six now, and he said hejust can't can't do it, but he
did want to come down and watchthe shoot, so he did come down.
One day. We're shooting a scenein a breakfast scene in a restaurant
at the ocean and a pier andJack came in and sat over there and
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there's a shot in the movie.I said, Jack, if you come
down, we're gonna put you inthe movie. He's sitting in a booth
looking at the men. You andhe's in there for us. Just a
shot, just a shot of Jack. So it's good. We'd said it's
been in touch with Jack through allthe years too. All the other and
the other actors too, will bemore died, Connie Rogers, Mory Lampley
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died, But the rest of it'sare we're on each other's contact lists,
email lists. Yeah, Well,I'm excited to see it. And one
of the things that I'm fascinated aboutcult classics is how they have like a
life of their own after their initialrelease. And some of that plays into
them being comfort films and or likeyou know, mental health safe spaces.
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So having something like the Mutilator beingthat for some individuals, how does that
feel as an artist? I've neverthought of the Mutilator as a it's creating
a comfort zone for anybody. Uh. I'm delighted to learn that it is,
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though I'm concerned. I often wonderabout what effect the violence and movies
has on violence in real life.And we try to make it clear that
that our movies are like comic books. They're not real. I don't think
we're actually taking somebody's head off thatthat doesn't work that way. And we
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make that plane during the thing,and particularly in the end and the end
credits, and we show everybody's okay. Uh. If if people find solid
and my pictures, I'm glad tohear it, they are more power to
them with this. Also two morequestions for you. This one. We
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are showing the muta Leader to hereat Creature Feature to this weekends, and
what are the plans kind of postthat, well, we are searching for
distribution. We've got a couple offers, thinking about them, talking to lawyers
about it. I was fortunate enoughto meet Sylvia Khamoner, who is a
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director for Samantha Brown Shows on PBS. Sylvia just finished a horror movie called
Follow Her, which I liked alot, and she's we agreed that the
distribution part of making a movie such. She said that she took her movie
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to festivals and found that that wasa good way to proceed, and she
sent to me a list of festivalswhich she would suggest, and I started
applying to them. So we're goingto be going to festivals around the world.
The first one I'm applying to isFlight Theft in London, and somewhere
along the way we will get adecent distribution deal and everybody will be able
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to see it. Right. Well, my last question for you is that
I'm asking artists like yourself this weekend, and is what is one horror film
and or franchise that has been inpositive safe space or impact on your mental
health? How did you know Ineeded help with my mental health? I
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I don't think there's anyone that hasprovided help for my mental health. Although
my favorite is alien, so maybethat maybe that counts somehow and I'm not
aware of it. Wish Okay,well, buddy, thank you so much
for your time. Mutilator too.If you guys haven't catched the Mutilator,
you guys can stream it on multipleplatforms. Go to just watch dot com
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to find out. Thank you somuch for your time, my pleasure.
Take two for Buffalo Bill's House outof Will Pennsyl Perry, Altholis, Pennsylvani.
I'm terrible with names. I'm herewith Chris, the general then behind
the project. Now, I interviewedyou a couple of years ago, so
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I know a couple of these storiestech issues happened. But tell us a
little bit about this attraction. Yeah. So, Buffalo Bill's House is the
real filming location where The Silence ofthe Lambs was filmed. Silence is predominantly
a Pittsburgh shot film. Most ofthe movie was shot in that region.
In the last twenty five to thirtyminutes of Silence, the big climax,
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was shot inside this house. Thishouse went for sale about three years ago,
and we purchased it with the soulintent to turn it into a movie
themed attraction. So it is essentiallyan Airbnb now that you can rent out.
We rent it out regularly to guessup to eight. You get the
whole home to yourself, just likea standard Airbnb format. You don't share
rooms with any other parties. Wealso have a secondary format. We do
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guided tours from May through October ofeach year. Our first tours are Mother's
Day weekend and then we do aFather's Day weekend and a number of others,
and we're also offering up the housefor on location filming. My day
job and the background you were askingabout, I am an art director in
the film business. I have beenfor about twenty years. Basically I handle
props and make things look good forfilm sets, and that was my inspiration
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to get involved with the house.Of course, being a huge horror fan
didn't hurt, but it's been reallyawesome to see people's reactions to like the
experience that we're providing for people.This house has never been open to the
public until we did it. Thewell has been built in the basement.
I was built by in partnership withTom Savini, famous special effects makeup artist,
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his talented faculty in students at hisschool built the well for us.
It's been cool, and you know, honestly, we've had a lot of
support from the horror, you know, celebrity community. We've had Caine Hodter
visit the house, Jason Doug Bradley, Pinhead, Dan Roebuck from all of
rob Zombies movies, and we evenhad our first music video shot at the
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house. Recently, the heavy metalband Tapper just filmed a single there.
So it's been cool. You know. So this started out as a COVID
project for you what what made youwant to and what inspired you to kind
of go after and pursue this.It did happen during you know, the
world being on fire and the worldshut down, and you know, truthfully,
I found myself sitting home. Thefilm business was greatly affected at that
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point in time. Therefore, Iwas essentially out of work like a lot
of people. That's when this housewent for sale, leaning on my skill
set of building sets and making thingslook good. This basically was the inspiration
for it, and that being ahuge horror fan too. When I went
out and drove out to Pittsburgh tosee the house for the first time,
I knew it had the bones todo what I wanted to do. I
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just knew would be the biggest projectI've ever tackled in my entire life,
and it was. It took overa year to renovate and get prepared and
ready for opening, and we officiallyopened our doors Labor Day twenty twenty one.
We're happy to say that, youknow, in the last you know,
a couple of years, we've hostedguests from thirty five different states here
in the United States, in eightinternational countries. Our furthest guests have come
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all the way from Denmark, France, Germany, and the Netherlands. So
it's really cool to see that BuffaloBill's house and silence of the Lambs still
resonates with people thirty years later.And if you are a fan of thrillers
or spooky movies or just filming locationsin general, it is an absolute bucket
list place to visit. Can youtalk about what the condition of the home
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was like when you first inherited it? Oh? Sure, yeah, so
I mean upon seeing it. Thankfully, we're actually only the fourth owners in
the history of the home. Thehome is a Victorian home, specifically Queen
Anne. Victorian is the architectural stylenot a lot of homes like that left,
especially in that region. All thewoodwork is completely original. The marble
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is over a century old, thoughthe home is built in nineteen ten,
so it is one hundred and fourteenyears old. Thankfully, all those owners
really kept it in really great shape. There was some work to be done,
you know, nominal things that neededto happen to make it, you
know, the way we envisioned it. But the bones were all there.
You know. It did take abouta year worth of minor renovations, painting,
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spackling, some electrical upgrades and stufflike that to get it all ready,
and then we furnished it. Youknow. The well took another year
to do. We did open intwenty one. The well was open for
Halloween season twenty twenty two when wepartnered with Tom Savini and his special effects
school. Awesome well. I thinkone of my questions in terms of like,
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obviously, people watching this right nowmay may or may not know.
I mean, obviously, it seemslike you guys have kind of had a
reputation that kind of took off.What does it look like if someone is
looking to rent the Airbnb or kindof go through the guy A tourus financially.
Oh sure, yeah, absolutely.All the pricing is available at Buffalo
Bill's House dot com. You doget the home completely to yourself for up
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to eight guests. All pricing islisted there. You could find all the
info. The thing is we makeit accessible for everybody. Most people do
come into group and split the costaccordingly amongst that group. It's really easy
to do. We've been really blessedwith having some Pillar reviews. We have
over one hundred and sixty something fivestar reviews on Google and that weighs a
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lot for people who are deciding toyou know, whether they or not they
want to visit. We're really appreciativeof that. Most importantly, we appreciated
the support of the film enthusiast communitydoing these shows like this one. You
know, we go up and downthe East Coast out to the Midwest.
The more and more people we meet, the more we get our word out.
And we're certainly thankful for everyone whohas taken the time to tour with
us, stay with us. Andwe are also engaging in the on location
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filming, so we're in talks witha new horror feature to potentially film in
the fall of twenty twenty four.So if you are a film production company,
horror or otherwise and are looking forlocations, Buffalo Bill's House is certainly
available for that as well. Somy last question I'm gonna ask people this
weekend is what is one horror filmor horror property that has been a positive
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effect in your mental health? Oh? Definitely. I'm a huge Halloween franchise
guy. I love Michael Myers.I certainly have my Halloween one tattoo here.
So you're big Meyers fan and havebeen since I was a kid,
so, you know, years ago, long before Buffalo Bills, I never
did a filming location vacation per se. But every time I went on vacation,
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I went somewhere far away. Iwould find out what was shot in
this area, you know, likewhat was filmed. So of course,
when I did Southern California years ago, I visited the Myers House and Freddie's
House and all that. As ahorror fan, but that franchise, seeing
you know, Southern California where theoriginal Halloween was shot, the Myers House,
you know, the Strode House whereJamie Lee Curtis was those were kind
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of iconic locations that stuck with me, and they were important to me growing
up because I was such a Halloweenfan. So seeing them in person definitely
was always kind of inspirational to me, definitely gave me some thoughts about how
I wanted to navigate Buffalo Bill's Houseand you know, make it what it
is today. All right, Well, thank you sir. Last question,
of course, work people find you, follow the socials, find out more
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on the website and also book ticketsfor your guided tour, and we encourage
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get hope into the hands of thedepressed and the suicidal. Today, I
am here with Bobby Heckman. Heis the writer director behind the film Victim
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No More, which we talked abouta couple of years ago, and if
you guys haven't seen Victim No More, go check it out free on YouTube.
But we're here talking about a differentthat he is the executive producer on
today, and that is Scream Walkers. How are you doing? We're doing
fantastic. We're actually about to havethe scream Walker's premiere here at Creature Future
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Weekend at two pm Saturday afternoon andit's gonna be it's gonna be awesome,
we hope. The influence for ScreamWalkers is all the like shot on video,
like nineties horror like ripoffs that camelike after Scream. So it's kind
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of a mix of Scream and StephenKing's Sleepwalker's movie, which you know has
its own little cult following. Soyou mash those two things up. Shoot
it on analog. It's analog horror, so it's shot on video, so
it's like, you know, fourx three, like you rented this like
backyard movie from the video store backin the day kind of thing. You
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know. Yeah, it's gonna begreat. We we. There was a
great cast. Some of that castI'm gonna be bringing over into Victim No
More too, and yeah it's gonnabe crazy. And there's a there's a
mummy in this movie too, Soif that's any uh, you know,
way of getting you to go seethis movie, I mean, come on,
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not many movies have a mummy init, and uh that appears out
of nowhere. So let me getthis straight. So it's got a found
footage aspect to it, a littlebit of a slasher for influence, got
a random Mummy in it, andit's got a nineties vibe to it.
Am I missing anything? It's gotsome ancient Egyptian cat goddesses also thrown in
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there. Yeah, the Goddess offertility plays a part in it. Two
and and uh b B movie starwho did Sasha Graham is in it,
who did a lot of like jR. Bookwalter movies. If you're familiar
with his shot on video classics,Let's see what else. No, but
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it, you know, has avery kind of like flow and feel of
like scream movies, like that kindof like movie until like things go bonkers
and you know, go off indifferent directions and twists and turns. So
obviously producing is a lot different thanthe writer director had and even minor cameo
that you had in Victim No More. But how did you get involved with
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this project? Sean King? Hewas the cinematographer for Victim the More and
he wanted to bring you know,he's a fantastic cinematographer. He's very OCD,
which I appreciate, and wants toget lighting and everything perfect and everything,
you know, like real setups forlike shooting a four K you know,
great looking movie, but he wantedto take a step back and like
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do movies like that. He wasinfluenced by with all the direct to video
shot on video movies of the eightiesand nineties. He wanted to go back
to that style when he was likea kid shooting things, you know,
at different locations and backyards and stuffwith his buddies. So he's like,
let's go back to doing something likethat, but with like good actors,
and you know, we'll you know, treat it like a real movie.
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But you know, but it's justgonna come off like a like a like
an old like an old movie youfound on like you know, public access
or something, you know, backin the day. But yeah, I
had I had, you know,kind of a me and him kind of
came up with a story and acouple of other like friends. He came
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up with a story, and hegot down and writing and directing it and
shooting it too, and yeah,shooting shooting in on cam quarters, uh,
you know, and we would haveour own problems with that. Some
of those broke down and we'd haveto like try to figure out how to
like fix them. And yeah,I mean a lot of the people that
were involved in my film, wereinvolved in his film, and other friends
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that he other filmmaker friends that hehas got involved and it was just a
great experience and we shot at lastfall and premiering it today. Awesome.
Well I haven't seen it yet,but you guys can check it. Stick
out the podcast portion of this.You guys are currently listening to this on
streaming, but I will have areview spoilly free that you guys can check
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out, and we'll know if meand Bobby are still friends or not afterwards.
But always always going to be friends. Last question I got to ask
for you is is development on VictimNo More? What? Two? Where's
this story going? You've been teasingit for a while, we've been following
social media. Tell us a littlebit about it. Well, I want
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to make actually two sequels to Victimthe More, make it a trilogy,
but I want each film to kindof stand on its own, but also
and be a little different from eachother. So but also sequels to each
other. So the second film thatwe're preparing campaign starts September thirteenth this year.
It's Friday thirteenth, of course,and it'll be a Friday thirteenth anthology
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film. So It'll be four shortstories with a wrap around story connecting it
to the first movie. And it'llbe if you know, if you've seen
the movie Victim, the more yousee it ends with a well, I
don't want to spoil it, Iguess, but it'll be about a group
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of survivors and their origins basically,and like how they got to their point
to point to the end of themovie, of the first movie, so
it'll be their backstories. My lastquestion for you, what is one horror
movie and or horror franchise that hashad a positive impact on your mental health?
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Friday the thirteenth, and it's anytimeI was, you know, depressed
or down in my younger years,I would put on Friday thirteenth. It
would make me smile, it would, you know. I mean, all
horror movies are always great to likeescape to. I mean all movies really
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in general, are always a greatescape. You know, like it just
takes you out of your own lifeand you get, you know, emotionally
attached to characters and other movies andsituations, and you know, you escape
for a little while. And butFriday thirteenth is always you know, and
and you know, those those messagesof like, you know, standing up
against evil and stuff like that.I was always rooting for like the Final
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Girls or Final Boys in movies,and in those movies and taking down the
bad guy at the end, eventhough he'll return in the sequel, you
know, but it's still, youknow, it was, you know,
inspiring in a way. I know, back then, we didn't really look
at it that, you know,we used to look like trashy horror movies.
But like now you look back onthose movies and you're saying, like,
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oh, these were like strong characters. They you know, they gathered
their shit together and can I sayshit and uh, you know, stand
up against evil and face adversity andtheir fears and try to conquer them by
the end of the movie. Andyeah, it can be just as inspiring
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as a superhero movie sometimes, youknow. Well, Bobby, I thank
you. Movies are called Scream Walkersand Victim No More. And check out
Victim No More on YouTube. Youguys are watching this on YouTube, stick
to the end of the video andwe'll link it here. Out of the
theater reaction for Scream Walkers, thisshort film tells the story of a small
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town that is gripped with a seriesof murders with ties to Egyptian heritage,
and I gotta say this movie isa lot of fun. It is feels
like it is purposely a throwback tonineties B movies and like I would even
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say eighties. I know the filmmakerswere having the intention of having this feel
like it was a nineties film,but it definitely feels like it belongs in
like also the conversation of like eightiesdirect to video sequels and slashers. First
off, gotta say that the characterdesigned for the villain is incredibly slick.
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It allows for some really smart jokesand some just some really awesome, hilarious
moments. And I know that thefilmmakers probably meant it for it to be
a nod to scream, but itactually ends up becoming a nod to scary
movie the way that it plays out, and I think it's smarter for that.
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Because of this, this movie isnot gonna be for everyone. This
movie is purposely over the top.It is schlocky, and it's smart.
Of the reason that I really hadso much fun with it is because of
its shlock it knows what it wantsto be and it doubles down in that
identity, and it's not trying tobe anything. It's it's it's not gonna
be. It's shot on analog,which really adds to the aesthetic and the
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feel of everything that they're going for. Again, I think it's that's a
really smart decision, really awesome thingfor them to endure, and it just
looks really really gnarly. I willsay though, the performance is because of
the shlock. They really double down. Some of them are really good,
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some of them are really bad,and some of them are over the top
and they're so bad that they're actuallyend up being good. I do want
to highlight one performance in particular,and that is Elizabeth Devalney, who plays
our main protagon CJ. She's reallygreat in this. This movie doesn't have
a whole lot of emotional foundations oremotional things that really needs to be you
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know, world class, top tieractor for but the emotional portions that the
film does have because of having someonelike Devalli Devali in the role, it
just it makes it so much better. And her performance really balanced between being
like a capable actress of captivating emotionsor at least conveying them on top of
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also being allowed to be over thetop and schlocky, and it was they
just balance it really well. Ireally love the use of humor in this
Pacing is kind of all over theplace. If there's one thing that this
film does wrong, it's pacing.There are portions of this of this film
that feel like it has a nicesteady pace, and then there are other
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portions of it that feel like itgoes out a little bit too fast,
or the reveals are a little bittoo slow, and all of these other
things. And I really wish itwould have kept the majority of the beautiful
pacing sticks within the first thirty minutesof the movie, And I really wish
that for this only being a sixtyplus minute movie, I really wish that
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they would have kept that steady pacein the second act the second half.
But unfortunately it's real hit or miss. So I really do ultimately end up
really liking this film. If youget a chance to check it out,
it's really fun. If you grewup on eighties B movies or even some
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of the nineties direct to video things, this is a perfect film for you.
I'm gonna go ahead and give thisone a three point five out of
five. I had a lot offun with this
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