Mission: Impossible (One & Two) | Episode #474 - Victims and Villains

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to
listen to four episodes of the Victim of the Villain's podcast,
The Watter, covering every single Tom Cruise Mission Impossible ever made.
Your mission should you choose to accept it? Now? This
podcast will now self explode. You are.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Lies, the shoot, you are Lords, and name.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
To me?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I didn't say that, right, did I.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Self destruct? We gotta get through so many of these movies.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Welcome to the Victims in Village Podcast, the official non
prop Try that again. Welcome to the Victims in Village Podcast,
the podcast extension of the multimedia nonprofit that creates content
like what you're listening to right now talk about mental
health through education. And this episode is kind of kind

(01:25):
of special in some ways because this is one of
the first podcasts that Dan and I have done in
a very long but time together. I'm Josh. But also
this is kicking off a nine day celebration that we
are doing here Victims and Villains, to celebrate what we're
calling nine years of Missions, which is nine celebrating nine

(01:45):
years of mental health awareness. We thought we'd kick it
off in a pretty fun and fashionable way with Mission
Impossible one and two.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
I am honored and excited to be here to celebrate
this milestone with you and to go through these movies.
I would say, I can't believe we're doing four episodes
of this, but honestly, it could be longer. We're doing
two movies per episode. If we just split them up,
it would be a whole lot more. Tom Cruise has
been making these movies for twenty nine years now, and

(02:22):
it is everyone is just more delightful and interesting and
wild in new and crazy ways. So I'm really excited
to go back through this series again. I've only ever
watched through it once and it was about ten years ago,
so there's a lot for me to get refamiliarized with

(02:43):
and just explore this world once again, and I'm delighted
to be back.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
It feels weird to say that. I have also to like, Well,
I've seen these first six movies. This will be my
second time going through them.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Fallout I loved a lot, and this first one I
really liked, so I've seen those multiple times. But yeah,
it does feel kind of weird, and I'm just glad
we're getting the Dreadit number two out of the way.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
First, did you say dreaded this is Look, I don't
want to jump the gun here because we do have
to talk about one. One is honestly probably my least
favorite in the series, but it's still a fine movie.
There's some really iconic moments. Kicked this whole thing off. Two.
John wu directed it. It's everything I want. This movie

(03:37):
came out in two thousand, but it holds those late
nineties just action film, blockbuster feelings. It's ridiculous and amazing
and over the top, and I loved it so much.
I just finished watching it within the last hour. This
is an audio medium, so you're not watching me on
camera right now, but I actually moved my desk into

(03:59):
the sty position. I am standing as we record this
because that is the level of respect I have to
give this these two movies. And behind me on my screen,
I've got Tom Cruise riding a motorcycle through flames. It's fantastic.
I'm I'm excited. Sounds like we're gonna debate. I thought
you and I would be on the same page for two.

(04:20):
If you are not as hot on it as I am,
this will be a fun debate for us. But let's
let's get started with one and we'll see where this
episode takes us.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, so the first one, I would not say that
it's it's not the necessarily the worst in the series.
It's not necessarily the best in the series, but I
probably would not go as far as to say it's
my least favorite in the series. I will say, out
of these two films, because I have a feeling we'll
probably rank these as we the series increases and so

(04:53):
we get to final reckoning, I will say for out
of these two, I really liked this one the the
best out of these two. But I think this also too,
like having having known where this franchise goes, this franchise
kind of almost feels equivalent of a more grounded take
on Fast and Furious, where the stunts just kind of

(05:16):
get larger and larger and we're, you know, uh, Dominic
Touretto and his family. You know. The kind of direction
they went was like, we're just gonna lean lean into
be camp and Tom Cruise is over here saying, how
the fuck can we make this bigger? How can we
make it a bigger spectacle? And uh yeah, So I

(05:37):
think I think it's refreshing coming back to the first one,
especially in this franchise because you kind of see how
grounded this really is and really the lengths that Cruise
was really kind of really good, like Daring to Go.
I think one of the things that struck me on
this rewatch is like some of the practical effects, like
that he actually like is in like full face makeup,

(05:58):
whereas later it kind of looks a little bit more digital,
but like he's kind of all in on the practical
effects here.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Yeah, I know you and I are huge fans of
practical effects. Anytime we see those in movies, it just
brings us in. I will never be one to be
down on CGI. I love movies like Avatar, Like I'm
an apologist for films like those. Star Wars is my
favorite series of all time. You clearly can't have that
without CGI. But there is a lot of practicality when

(06:30):
it comes to models and action scenes and pyrotechnics, and
you get a lot of that in these movies. I
think my biggest complaint Josh about the first movie is
Tom Cruise was around thirty three years old when he
was filming this. That's how old I am. Why don't
I look like Tom Cruise? What am I doing differently?

(06:52):
I mean, maybe the level of money and career path
could be different. So I mean at this point, he
had done Top Gun like close to ten years ago.
At this point, had wild success in the eighties, and
this was a movie that really started to I think
cement him as like the go to action star that

(07:12):
we kind of think of him as as today. Yeah,
Like watching.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Him in this role and knowing that like one of
the roles that he would follow this up with would
be Eyes Wide Shut makes me miss this era of cruise.
Like before he kind of like got it in his
head that he's like, I can only do action movies,
I can only do blockbusters. Somewhere after like the timeline

(07:38):
where he played Les Grossman in Tropic Thunder, he was
just like, exclusively, it can only do you know Reacher
and Mission Impossible movies and Maverick, and they're still entertaining movies.
But I missed this era of cruise where he wasn't

(07:59):
afraid to to take chances, and now it kind of
just seems like he plays it safe, largely because another
role that he did, like right after Mission Impossible to
was Vanilla Sky And if you've seen that movie, it's
freaking weird, but it's one of his best roles, and
I just missed that daring aspect of it. But also too,

(08:19):
I think you see in this movie. I think both
of these films are products of their time. I'll kind
of explain what I mean when we get to the
second one, but this one feels like a product of
where a Cruz was at in his prime right.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Here, Absolutely, yeah, no, no disagreement here. I think there
is a lot that we see in this movie that
obviously carries over into the later films, but there's also
this is a type of movie that is so in
the collective consciousness, like films like Indiana Jones, that if

(08:56):
you've never seen this movie, you've heard the theme song,
you know the Mission Impossible theme, you know the tropes.
You've probably seen it get made fun of of removing
the face mask and it being someone underneath. You've probably
seen someone you know climbing a ventilation shaft with suction
cups or magnetic you know things, and all of that
stuff is in this movie, and I think it's early

(09:18):
enough that it's not necessarily referencing something else. Now, this
is the movies are based on the older television series,
which I had never seen, so I don't know how
much of that clearly, you know, translates one to one here,
but I do think they took that kind of as
the template and then brought it into you know, what

(09:38):
was modern day? What was nineteen ninety six For this
movie and every film, sense has kind of up the
ante and increased the level of technology and the level
of stunts and spectacle and just trying to give you
something that you haven't necessarily seen before. And that's why
I can respect these movies for trying to draw in

(09:58):
an audience by just showing you something new and something
that you can only get at the movies. This is
why we love movies. This is you know, this is
everything that makes us makes films such a cool and
exciting medium to enjoy an experience.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think one of the reasons that this film has
lasted as long as it has and we're still talking
about it nearly thirty years later, is because this comes
at a time where also keep in mind, where we
didn't have blockbusters every week, either on the big screen
or streaming at home, like we had blockbusters like maybe

(10:35):
once a month if you were lucky. And I mean
with this one too, it's really interesting because this film
just packs such a punch when it comes to it's
cast and its crew. I mean the fact that this
is co written by David Hope. I think that's how

(11:01):
you say his last name, but you know he had
done he was just off of Jurassic Park. Would later
go on to write Spider Man, another staple of my childhood.
I think it's the same for yours. This film was
also written Brian Someone was also directed by Brian de Palma,
who did an incredible slate, including one of John Tavolso's

(11:23):
earliest films, and Carrie also stars Emilio Estevez, John Voyd.
I mean, this thing just it just had like a
really impressive cast of characters. People attached to it as well.
So like I like the fact that that they kind
of took this essentially I would I don't want to

(11:43):
say forgotten ip, but they really modernized it and have
kind of proved that it has longevity all these years later.
Also Ving Raims, I want to throw that out there
as well.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Nineteen ninety six was such a cool time to go
to the movies and to be the type of like
blockbuster summer movie. This movie came out. I think it
was May nineteen ninety six was the release date. I
think it was May May twenty second, so this is
about six weeks before Independence Day hits theaters. This is

(12:21):
the same summer, so that I think a week and
a half after Twister hit theaters, like that that eight
month period. And Josh, I believe you and I around
the same age, so I would have been five years
old this summer in nineteen ninety six, so I you know,
I did not experience many of these movies, none of

(12:42):
them in theaters, And it was probably a year or
two later before I started to really watch them and
get into these types of movies. But it just sets
such a cool tone for I think what going to
the movies could be. And the thing that's interesting about
Mission Impossible one, and I, you know, I mentioned it's

(13:02):
my least favorite one. I still like it a lot,
but it reminds me of some of the older James
Bond movies, which it clearly takes a lot of inspiration from,
and that it is not focused on action and explosions
and stunts. It is a much slower paced spy movie,
especially one where he is being framed and he's being

(13:25):
disavowed and the agency is trying to chase after him
and he has to go underground. It's it's this whole
thing of him trying to outsmart this government agency that
officially doesn't exist, and needing to recruit, you know, reliable
teammates and people he can trust, and you know all

(13:47):
of the emotional stakes that go with that. So it's
cool to see just the level of acting and writing
that goes into this without relying on a twenty two
minute motorc Michael Chase scene, which we will talk in
detail about for the second one. But the first one,
I mean the big I was gonna say, the big

(14:09):
you know action sequences when he's breaking into the super
secure room and he's coming down from the ceiling. That's
the iconic scene. That's what people tend to think about
when they think about this movie. I forgot that the
finale is a helicopter attached to a train going through
a tunnel. Like the it gets insane. And that's what

(14:33):
I like about the later movies is I did not
do extensive research on behind the scenes for this first movie,
but I think pretty reliably when Tom Cruise is hanging
off that helicopter that's hanging off of a train in
a tunnel. They're on a set and it looks to
be screen screened in a sound stage and everything. In
a later movie, they would have just put him on
the side of a helicopter and film the helicopter. So

(14:56):
it's like the movies kind of grow up with him
over time in term of what they are able to do,
and I think in terms of what Tom Cruise himself
is willing to put himself through to get the perfect
shot for a movie, which is kind.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Of crazy to think about because usually it's the opposite
way to where you would do this kind of those
kind of stunts when you're younger. Yeah, and Tom Cruise
is like, hold my beer, I just turned fifty, let's
go a scuba dive.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Exactly. And that's the thing that I think is is
it's true about you know, careers and movie makings, but
it's just true about life. I mean, I'm I'm not
all that old necessarily, Like I said, I'm thirty three,
turning thirty four exactly a week from today actually, but
bring me back fifteen years. People ask me, you know,

(15:50):
hypothetically a lot, would you ever want to go back
in My answer is no, there's a lot of stuff that, yeah,
it would be cool to either fix or relive, but
you forget about the insane amount of work, whether that
is career work, or school work, or relationship or friendship
work to get you to where you are. A huge benefit,
A huge benefit people have when they're younger is not

(16:13):
knowing how much work it takes to get where they
want to go. And I think, once you've ascended that
mountain and kind of reached the goals that you've set
for yourself, thinking back on it, it's like, oh, I
don't It's good I only had to do those things
once because I do not want to have to do
them again. Tom Cruise seems to take the opposite approach,

(16:36):
where he says, you know, what can I do to
make the next movie even more difficult, bigger? He's all
about spectacle and there's Look, we're talking about Tom Cruise here.
There's a lot that is controversial about him. There's a
lot that you know, would people would not respect about him. Uh,

(16:57):
something that I do respect about him is he has
always been a fan of movies, even before being an actor.
He loved going to movies. So he wants to bring
something to the audience that is going to be worthy
of paying for a ticket and going and sitting in
a theater. And I can't help but love that about

(17:19):
him As someone who loves this medium. It is just
so refreshing and enjoyable to watch someone have as much
care and passion for filmmaking as so many of us do,
and even after all these years. So it's just been
really great to watch him in these movies and continue
to see what he does.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
So there's lots of unpacked just to what you just said.
The first thing I would kind of go back to
would be the whole segment about relating things. You know,
one of the greatest lyrics I think I've ever come
across is from the Goo Goo Dolls, and it says
scars are souvenirs you never lose, and it's one of

(18:02):
those moments that shape you and make you who you are.
I have endured it. I've gained relationships, I've lost relationships.
I've experienced heartbreak. I have been very close to suicide.
I have self mutilated myself. I have been really depressed, anxious.

(18:28):
I've lost friends to unfortunately that have died by suicide.
And I look at all of those and I think
about that at least once a week to where it's
like those scars are both my story and the reason
that I'm still here, and they've made me the person
that I am today. And I think it's a kind

(18:49):
of fitting that this is kind of kicking off this
nine years of mission celebration, because I don't think that
when Sean and I started Victims and Villains back in
twenty sixteen that either one of us ever thought this
would kind of expand to what it is now. You know,
a podcast, network, film festival, a nonprofit, you know, stuff

(19:15):
like that, And it all goes back to that that
notion of you know, the past kind of makes us
who we are and they shape us, and you know,
sometimes we respond and we make the choices like you know,
me and you have made in our lives, whether it's
in our relationships, whether the past or present, or job paths,

(19:36):
career paths, you know, podcasting, friendships, relationships, all the above,
and you know when you know. So I just want
to encourage anyone listening that, like if you if you
are going through like tough seasons, like knowing that like
stick with it, it gets it gets better. As cliche

(19:58):
as it is to hear that it is, it's worth it.
On the other side, you know, I don't regret one
day of sunshine that I've had for a month of
rainy days, you know. Yeah, so Tom Cruise, yeah, I

(20:24):
would say that I've heard it say that, like, and
I think you can make the argument now for Glenn Powell,
but I think that he's kind of the last like
traditional movie start we have working today, you know, to
where he does do these like really big spectacles, and
I would say that, like, he's probably one of the
last actors working now that like cares about the craft

(20:47):
as much as you know people back in the day
used to. I think you still have filmmakers that are
or care about that craft where you know, like we
keep getting reports of Matt Reeves a good example, like,
you know, we've been waiting years for The Batman Part two,
and we're going to keep waiting more years because again

(21:08):
wants to keep perfecting it, wants the audience to have
everything they want. And I think that that's kind of commendable.
But again, he's a writer director. I think Tom Cruse
is kind of one of those last old school action
heroes that is still like cares about like wanting to
create an experience, not just necessarily a story. That's one

(21:31):
of the things that I like about the mission of
Possible Movies is that it everything feels like an experience.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
The Summer of Barbenheimer, I feel like with something that
was able to break through beyond people like you and
me who are at the movies every other week seeing
new stuff. It attracted a lot of people to the
theater who have maybe not gone to see a movie
since before COVID, people who wouldn't typically go to a theater.
There's an inner you. I believe it's on the red

(22:02):
carpet carpet. Someone asked Tom Cruise, so are you going
to see Barbie first or Oppenheimer? And I love his
response because he said, well, you want you want a
packed theater for both. You want that opening night experience.
So I think I will start with Oppenheimer. Or he
might have said Barbie, but I forget exactly, sot quote

(22:23):
me exactly. He said, you know, I think I would
start with Barbie. You want that packed experience, you want
your popcorn, enjoy it, and then and then later that
day I think I'll go see you know, yeah, I'll
see Oppenheimer and then I'll go see Barbie and that one.
I had to laugh that they're asking which one are
you going to see both of see first, and he's like, well,
I'll go see both opening day. But he's one of

(22:46):
the few people who seem to support that that packed
audience theatrical release, and I know there are plenty of
you know, film studios and executives who want to see that.
That's how they make their bottom line, that's you know,
there's there's a financial aspect to it. I have so
many friends and Josh I feel like we've talked about
this where they have either not been to a movie

(23:06):
since COVID hit or even before COVID they didn't care
that much and they're like, well, I'll just wait for
it to come to streaming. I don't care. And then
they watch it on a TV. And this is going
to sound like I'm shaming poor people. I am not.
People are in different financial situations, but they'll watch on
a tiny TV with television audio, and it's like, look,

(23:27):
am I I love watching movies. My wife and I
it's our favorite thing to do. Our living room has
our nice four K TV, we have our surround sound.
We have the sub warfare. We have our sectional sofa
perfectly you know, situated where we want to be. We
spent a lot of time thinking and planning the layout
to make it exactly how we want to be. We
have blackout curtains everywhere, so if it's the middle of

(23:48):
the day and we want to watch something, we can
get that theatrical experience. We're planning on building a full
movie theater in our basement someday. Like there's there are
a lot of things that go into this, and so well,
those things take time and money and concentration. The reality
is is there are a lot of people, I feel

(24:09):
like who don't have that appreciation, and they'll you know,
find a movie like Mission Impossible, any of them, and
just put it up on their phone and watch it
while they're doing something else in the background. And that is,
you know, not a great way to experience a film.
And I know someone like Tom Cruise would would agree

(24:33):
in wanting that theater, that big screen, that amazing sound system.
These are the movies that really showcase what that experience
is all about.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
It reminds me of that there was a meme that
came out right around twenty twenty when we were starting
the world was kind of starting to return to normal,
and it was someone had taken a PSP and or
not a PSP, a Game Boy ASP and had bootlegged
a way to watch movies on it. And the first

(25:06):
movie they that loaded up was Nolan's Tenant the Way Heed. Yeah,
And I mean, like there are don't be wrong, Like
there are definitely some movies that I feel like you
can get away with that, but I feel like for
these movies, they are a spectacle. You know, coming back

(25:30):
to this first film, I think I forgot how hard this.
These first like fifteen minutes hit like the cold open,
and so this is just incredible. And then you get
hit with that iconic score, and I absolutely and I
think the first two movies do that, do it both phenomenally.

(25:53):
I think these first two movies and I think it
kind of becomes a staple. But again, I think there's
just this art of having a film that has this
really gripping opening and then you just have these like
iconic horns and strings and just the way the orchestration

(26:13):
just kind of flows together. It just feels otherworldly. But again,
it's this is like such a strong reminder within the
first fifteen minutes that it grabs you and says like,
buckle in, you're in for a good time.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yeah, let's talk about that opening, because it's that interrogation
scene and you think one thing is happening, but then
they get the information they need and basically the set
gets broken down. You find that they're not actually where
you thought they were. The walls are brought down. It's
it's this whole elaborate scheme. And then Tom Cruise pulls

(26:50):
the realistic mask off and you find it's him, and
it's just crazy. It's a way to kick off this
whole thing. And then we get into, you know, planning
the next and this movie does a really great job
of setting you up and leading you in one direction,
and then later in the film revealing that everything you

(27:10):
thought you knew is actually incorrect. The different perspectives of
that first job, when everyone is getting killed, when the
boat explodes, when there's a gunshot on the bridge, and
everything that Tom Cruise, his character Ethan hunt, everything that
Ethan thought he saw, comes to realize that it is incorrect,

(27:34):
and people who you thought were dead are not actually dead,
and it just keeps you kind of guessing the whole time,
and you don't really know who's good who's bad really
right up until the end. Like it's very well done
in that way.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, and they kind of double downs, I would say,
more with Ethan and the guy that, like I can't
remember the character's name, but he's the one that would
like substitute for him sometimes, you know I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
I think, so I forget the name as well.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I have the cast let's pulled up here, and I'm
just like they're all like modern day, so I'm just
like I am not envisioning. But like, I gotta think
they kind of double down because there are so many
times that like they kind of pull you for these
loops in the second one where you think it's Ethan
and then you find out, oh it's not, it's it's

(28:31):
his like agent double. And I think that's one of
those things that this series does really well, and I
think they kind of get more creative with it as
the series kind of goes on. But there was so
much about this first film that I have forgotten because
it's been actually just watched it over Thanksgiving, but like

(28:53):
we were on vacation, so like I wasn't kind of
like fully paying attention. So this is the first true
time I feel like I've watched it twenty seventeen, and like, man, like,
there's so much things I forgot about it. I forgot
just how much there is that switch ruge like you
talked about, like you know, you think someone's dead or

(29:14):
you think this thing's happening, and then you find out,
oh no, it's not like this. And I think that's
just kind of one of those things that just hits
really well, and one of these things that this film
just does really.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Strongly, absolutely, And we also get the beginnings of the
kind of the ensemble Cassidy starts to create that are
still there today, which I'm pretty impressed to see. We
see Luther goes back to this film Martin Landau. I
did not realize that he starts in the very first

(29:46):
one as a hacker and he's in I believe, every
single movie from this point onward.

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(30:30):
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Speaker 4 (31:37):
There is uh Luther's being Raims Ben Raims. Why did
I write down that name? Well, that's embarrassing. Forget I
said that. I'm gonna have to look up who that
guy is who I just said, But yeah, Luther was.
I love him in this movie. I love when he's
one of the behind the scenes trivia that we looked

(31:59):
up and and it's I'm almost uncomfortable to say it,
but this is something that the casting director. They cast
him as a hacker because he looked he did not
look like a hacker. Basically, he's not what your nineties
like stereotypical computer hacker would be, so they brought him in.
And I love his character in this and I love

(32:21):
the nineties just concept of who they are, you know,
what they're throwing around in terms of, you know, the
language of like they have to hack the mainframe and
they have to do all this and all all these things,
and it's stuff that again has been parodied so much
over time, but it's just so so cool to kind
of see the early stages of this and all the

(32:44):
tech that was clearly very state of the art at
the time that is now just like normal stuff. The
stuff we're using to record this podcast right now is
more advanced than some of the stuff they were using
to you know, communicate through video calls and all this
other stuff as they were doing it back then.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Imagine showing this to like a niece or a nephew
and them asking, like having to explain what a floppy
disk is.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
I know, seriously, and I love that they It's it's
always a little it's unsettling for me when movies when
they comment on on the tech. A good example I
have is Die Hard when Bruce Wills walks into the
building and he has to find what floor the party

(33:33):
is happening on that his wife is at, and it's
a touch screen computer, and he's like, oh, that's a
cute toy. That was clearly like a state of the art,
advanced thing at the time, and it's just so old now.
So I like how they don't spend time commenting on
how advanced the tech is. You're supposed to just be
you know, know that as an audience member going into

(33:55):
nineteen ninety six, but it's definitely dated a little bit more.
When we get to the second movie, when they show
the memory card they take out of the digital camera,
I'm pretty sure it's a thirty two megabyte memory card.
Like it is tiny compared to what you would have today.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah. And one of the things too, that I will
say when it comes to tech, Yeah, I mean, anytime
you have a film that is sophisticated for its time
is always going to be kind of data in that
way when you watch it back. But I will say

(34:34):
that because of the because of like the technology in
this it did give me probably one of my favorite
scenes in this entire franchise, and that is the Magic
Trick scene where Athanists is trying to trick France about,

(34:58):
you know, staying and like giving the giving the list
back to him or you know that he doesn't really
have the list, and then he has that moment with
Luthor He's like, no, he really did have the list.
It's one of the funniest moments in there that you
just kind of realize he's like, oh, man, like it's
quite a good talker master manipulator.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
On top of that, he absolutely is. I want to
back up a moment just to not to defend myself,
but to explain myself. So Martin Landau, clearly I got
his name from the credits of the movie, so he
was in the television series, so he played a role
in hand in the television series. I must have seen

(35:39):
his name in the credits, either near Luther's actor or something,
and I was like, Oh, let's just take this down.
So I feel very silly about that, so I apologize.
I'm not trying to erase the actor of Luther, especially
replacing him with just a white guy. I would not
do that, not want to do that. My apologies, apologies

(36:03):
a thousand times. But yeah, Luther's one of my favorite characters.
And as we kind of go through the series and
see him and the stuff that he does, and as
the team expands, it's just so much fun. We're not
going to get into Mission Impossible three in this episode,
but that's when Simon Peg joins, and he's one of

(36:24):
my favorite editions. So I'm really thrilled to get to
those movies and talk about his character because they just
expand the ensemble cast so much and it really adds
a lot to the series.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
It's also really fascinating to see Luther in these first
two movies because you can tell that they they had
this idea for that cruise raims dynamic, but did not
quite know what they wanted it to be yet. Like
as the series goes on, you kind of get very

(36:56):
mild dose of it. But he's very sarcastic. He has
really good quips, really good one liners as the as
the films kind of go on, and he's like really
like wicked smart, but he's kind of like really dry
here in these first two movies and kind of knowing
where he goes. You can still tell that this was

(37:17):
a character that they were as actively developing as these
movies were kind of going on. Like he's I don't
say necessarily a caricature of where we would see him
in later films, but he definitely feels like definitely feels
like a prototype for what we would get in three

(37:38):
four onward.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah, I feel like they add a lot more and
kind of build him up as a character. Where is
this one? He's really just sort of viewed like as
the hacker, Which actually brings me to a question I
wanted to ask you, because when we're looking at you know,
the big iconic scene they're breaking into the room and
he's being suspended from the ceiling and everything. So there

(38:04):
are three technically four roles because there's the woman they're
working with who's there who's helping infiltrate as well. But
for the hands on part, you have Tom Cruise and
the harness being suspended. You have the guy in the
vent who is holding on to the rope, and then
you have Luther in the truck, you know, monitoring the

(38:25):
guy that the woman put the tracker on, so that
was kind of her role as well. So of those roles, Josh,
if we were to go pull off a heist like this,
which one do you want? Do you want to be
in the ventilation shaft hanging from the ceiling or safe
in the truck kind of looking where all of the
movements are.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I we'll take the truck because I am not coordinated
not to do anything outside of that. The fact that
there's that scene where in that scene Cruise has that
like beat of sweat like comes down off his glasses
and he's just like kind of like frantically freaking out
about like it not coming off or you know. Then

(39:08):
then on the flip side of that, you got Froudza's
knife slips out of his and lands right on the desk.
So yeah, I think I'll think I'll take my chances
in the van.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
In the van, I like to think that I could
be in the harness and do it, but I don't
know if I could take the pressure you mentioned the
beat of sweat. He is like less than a foot
off the ground when that happens and he catches it
on his hand. I don't think there's enough room for
him to move to have been able to catch that
in the way that they show in the close up,

(39:40):
but he's able to do it. One of the behind
the scenes things we had read was when the when
he's dropped and he falls, he uh and stops, you know,
inches above the ground. Apparently he kept on hitting his
face on the ground and so they had to put
like coins and weights in his shoes to help counterbalance him.

(40:01):
So it was more even, which which I thought was
pretty funny. The I was trying to figure out how
much of his positioning is the harness doing for him,
and how much of it is it just core strength
of him being physically fit and being able to you know,
kind of lift himself up, engage his core, use the

(40:23):
keyboard in the mouse and kind of get in and
get everything. It's it's just yeah, it's wild. And then
he gets pulled up. He descends so slowly and quietly,
and then when he has to pull up, it's like
he's on an elevator crane. Like he just cranks him
up so quickly.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I gotta imagine that like ten percent of that is
balanced and like ninety percent of that is just like
core strength.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Yep. I think. So we've got some really like awesome
lines in this movie. I see you know you had
highlighted if you hear like how you know they're trained
to be ghosts. Like we're never going to find this guy,
Like we trained him to be a ghost. He's going
to disappear. He's not going to show up again until
he wants to be seen.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah. I love that. And that's kind of like that
almost kind of has this like prolific like reverberation throughout
the rest of the I mean, obviously the fourth one
called ghost Protocol, so you know, and I like that
that's kind of it sounds kind of spooky and ominous,
but like also it's it's the truth. I don't know,

(41:30):
I just I really liked that line.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
That was a great line. A lot of this movie,
like we had mentioned, is it is espionage, it is spies,
It is trying to stay one step ahead of the
other agents who are hunting you. And then it explodes
in just a giant, you know, action scene at the
end on board a train. I love trains, so I

(41:55):
love a good train scene in a movie, and how
everything you know goes goes along from there, but you know,
not not the skip ahead to part two. But that's
that's pretty much what I have for part one. Josh,
are there any other parts you want to touch on here?

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Now?

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I I think we we got everything in terms of
like this first one. This first one is like it's
it's it's more simplified than I think a lot of
the later entries, and that's you know, that's not necessarily
a bad thing. I really enjoyed it for that. I
think also to like pull like seeing if there's any

(42:37):
last things in my notes. Yeah, I just I think
it's it's iconic for for a reason. Yeah, it's this
for this first one is just a great movie. It's
a fun time, it's it's simple, and I love the

(42:58):
practical effects here. You know, this is kind of like
the this is the first and almost kind of like
Darren I would even say, like last stop in practicality
before we kind of like go like fully digital. Like
I think you see some of it in part two,
as we'll talk about, but they're really heavy here in
part one. Absolutely, Yeah, so we can jump ahead to

(43:21):
part two.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Yeah, part two. Look, I this is directed by John Wu,
so right away, I mean tonality, cinematography. This is so
wildly different from the first one, like immediately so different.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, I had genuinely forgot so last November we did
a series call Thankful Thursdays, and one of those films
that we did was Big Fat Liar from two thousand
and two, and there's a character in that movie named
Dustin Wong who is suposed to be a parody of

(44:02):
John Wu. And when you first meet him, he's like
setting up a shot and he's like telling Marty Wolf
that there's gotta be you know, doves everywhere and cranes
and you gotta have multiple camera angles. I totally forgot
about a lot of that stuff, and so this was
kind of the first time I had come into a

(44:23):
John Wu film After watching that earlier this year, and
I was like, oh, these are the doves. Oh, look
at all these camera angles. Okay, yeah, yeah, totally Stylistically,
it's also like very different.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
For fans of Face Off, another John Wu film, the
cinematography just feels very, very similar. There are a lot
of iconic things that that John Wu does a lot of,
like the close up on you know, the guns and reloading,
and a lot of the heavy use of slow moo,
so much SlowMo in this movie. This is funny something

(45:03):
I wrote down. So the whole plot of this movie
is there's there's kind mara this virus that is extremely
dangerous and the only way to really safely you know,
in quotes, transport it would be to inject it into
yourself and then be able to you know, use your
body as a petri dish to kind of hibernate it,
give yourself the antidote on the other side, but be

(45:25):
able to kind of extract the cells. And everything I
put down in my notes, Oh, this is very similar
to The Rock, another one of my favorite movies, which
heavily has to do with a viral, contagious you know
thing from the CDC The Rock, directed by Michael Bay
looking at the nineteen ninety six summer releases, Mission Impossible

(45:51):
came out or hang on, So the Rock came out
just two weeks after the first Mission Impossible, and then
Mission Impossible to you know, came along a few years later.
But it's funny how kind of connected and in line
like those movies were with the series, and it's just, yeah,
hysterical seeing how these different directors shows a basically a

(46:15):
viral outbreak what essentially feels like covid on steroids at
this point with everything that we know and have lived
through now having lived through a pandemic, you know back
in the nineties, that was like the worst case scenario,
and it's like, man, we we lived it. They just
they just had to wait a couple of decades and
we're there.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah. Also, uh, you know one of the things that
and maybe this is maybe this is me because at
the time we're recording this, Abyscus just put out the
first episode of our Underworld series, and so uh, watching
Underworld Emission Impossible to within like a couple of days

(46:53):
of each other, it's hard to like, didn't like look
at a movie like this and not feel the impact
of the Matrix, which you know, black leather, and just
some of the way that some of the shots are.
I mean, I'm not I've seen Faced Off and I've

(47:16):
seen this movie that's about whereby John Wu connections exist.
So I don't know if it is, uh, if I
need to be more acquainted in John Wu, if that
is like more of like a John Wu thing. But
it definitely felt like there were so many action movies
that came out around this time, whether it was coincidence
or trying to you know, just plagiarize or be quote

(47:39):
unquote influenced by the Matrix, but this definitely feels like
one of those movies that's influenced by the Matrix.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
The Matrix definitely had huge cultural impacts and a lot
of movies then tried to go on and it pioneered
I think a lot of like filming techniques and stunt
work and h and hand in hand combat that you
didn't see as much. So absolutely, I don't think you
could have this conversation and remove the Matrix from it

(48:06):
entirely looking up so mission impossible to It came out
May twenty fourth, two thousand, highest grossing film of that year.
It brought in over two hundred and fifteen million dollars.
The other movies in the top five I find pretty
interesting here a Gladiator, which won Best Picture of that year,
as we know, the Perfect Storm, X Men, which we'll

(48:29):
talk about in a little bit you'll see why. And
Scary Movie, which is kind of funny. Scary Movie is
the outlier there, I feel like, but very popular when
it came out.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Wow, that's kind of crazy to like look back at
all these years and see at the top ten like that,
and this really kind of be the It kind of
only seql for you know, anything that would be likely.
It's like a franchise, because that's such a normal thing nowadays.

(49:02):
Like I think you look at the last few, like
top ten films that we've seen the last few years,
and I think last year it was like nine out
of ten movies all belong to franchises or like huge EPs.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
And as much as we love movies, I mean, I
don't really have an issue with spinoffs and sequels, and
I think if a good story is a good story,
I don't care necessarily gets connected. It is wild to
me the pipeline that exists now in the way that
it just didn't feel like it did twenty five years ago.
A huge example. I'm I'm a big Hunger Games fan.

(49:39):
I just picked up the newest book, Sunrise on the Reaping.
I read through it. I loved it. It's great. If
you haven't read it, highly recommend read the other books
first if you're new to the series, and then pick
this one up. It is a prequel, but it's definitely
you'll want the context of the other books for this one.
Within like one to two weeks of the book being released,

(50:01):
So the book being released, they announced the movie is
being released next year, and I can't remember that quick
of a turnaround, like the movie studio had to have
heard that Suzanne Collins was writing this book and immediately said, yep,
let us know when it's ready, and we'll green light
the script because we want to get this thing out

(50:23):
and made. And clearly, the I mean, Hunger Games is
some of the most successful movies of the last decade
and more so it's like, yeah, obviously they're going to
want to make this new one. And I just don't
think we saw, at least as far as I know,
that turnaround time when we were in the nineties and
early two thousands.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
No So two things real quick. I read something out
of CinemaCon that Lionsgate actually approached Suzanne Collins about writing that.
Oh okay, they did the book. So they actually said, hey,
do the book. I now, I don't know how true
that is. That's something I heard at cinema Con. But

(51:01):
to the only other book that I've ever booked a
movie a thing that I've ever heard about turning around
that quickly was Jaws. I think I think the manuscript
got shopped around Universal and Spielberg got involved like a
month or two before the book came out, and then

(51:24):
the movie like went into production, uh thereafter, because it's
like I think the book in the movie are released
within like a year of one another. Correct me if
I'm wrong.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
That is, I'll need to double check on that, But
I feel like that would make sense. Job's clearly one
of our classic film great movie. Love it filmed in
you know, my my home state of Massachusetts and in
Martha's in Yard. Such such a cool movie and a
lot of like cool you know legacy and in this area.
I'd say another one. And not to get totally off

(51:57):
the topic of Mission Impossible, but the Lost World, I
believe was written by Michael Crichton because the studio wanted
to make another Jurassic Park. The movie was so successful
and they're like, we we really wanted to do a sequel,
and so they approached him and he wrote The Last
World and then they were able to go and make
a second movie.

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Speaker 4 (53:14):
Today we all talk about that movie. I like that
movie better than the original, and I will die on
that hill. We'll have the Durrassic Park rewatch, and I
don't like the third one, but I do. I love
the Last World. I will Yeah, I'll defend that movie
all day long.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Coming back to m am I two, I am kind
of curious if the so for me. You mentioned when
we talk about the first one that the it obviously
pulled a lot from Bond. In those early Bond films.
One of the most iconic things about Bond as an
entity is the Bond Girls. This is kind of the

(53:54):
first time that we also see the kind of love
interests or you know, it would kind of be like
a more staple here. The Naya character did not work
for me as a character. Really kind of curious to
hear what you thought about her.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
I definitely liked her a lot. I'm now trying to
like course correct my own male gaze here. Did I
just find her as like a very beautiful co star
alongside Tom Cruise or did she bring something to the movie.
And I think she brought something in the movie. I
like that they brought her up as as a thief,

(54:34):
and you know, they needed her to be able to
kind of infiltrate like her ex's you know, operation and everything,
and the scenes there's the chemistry between them I feel
like was undeniable. I think they definitely had a lot there.
And in talking about some of the influences of James Bond,
who knows if this is a one to one, but

(54:57):
in Gold and Eye, there is a scene of James
and Zena like in cars basically racing around a road
that looks very similar to what these two are driving
on in this movie. So I don't know if there's
direct inspiration there, but side by side the scenes looked
very similar.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yeah, I can see that for sure. I don't know, man,
she just did work for me. And I mean, like
also to like, I just kind of felt like there
was there's a lot about this movie that I don't
think really works for me. And you know, I think
this is also one of critically speaking, I think this

(55:39):
is also one of the lowest rated films also, but
also too, like, I didn't really like the team dynamic either.
It just kind of felt very one note to me.
So like in this one, you obviously have Ethan Luther,
and I want to say the Australian dude was named you.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
I think you're right, that sounds familiar. I couldn't even
think of as to call the Australian guy.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah, Like I just it just felt like really like
one note. Whereas like when you get into some of
these like later sequels, like even in the first film,
like they everyone kind of had their role, but they
felt fleshed out, you know, they had like a signature
trade about them, and here it just kind of seems
like this is like Island of Misfit Toy's approach to storytelling.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
There's definitely some of that. This I'll say, and you
know you, I know you said this movie doesn't work
for you. Let's break down, you know, we'll go try
to go chronologically, but we'll bounce around like we always do.
This is one of my favorite openings ever. I actually
forgot about the whole scene on the plane and the
Oxygen masks coming down and then jumping out in the

(56:54):
plane crashing. Totally forgot about that, So I was like
kind of confused when this started. I'm like, I thought
it started with Tom Cruise rock climbing, like he's free soloing,
but no, there's a whole pre prologue to then getting
to like the opening credits and Tom Cruise rock climbing.
That is one of the coolest moments ever for me

(57:15):
in movies, is him just you know, rock climbing. The
fact that he's on holiday, he's on vacation, and his
idea of a good time is going in Toto the
desert and free soloing this this mountain top. And then
IMF finds him on top of this random mountain with
the helicopter and they shoot the thing with the sunglasses
and he gets his mission. And I just love the

(57:37):
line of like, next time you go on holiday, let
us know where you're going, and Tom Cruise is like,
if you know where I am, I'm not on holiday,
and then he throws the glasses and they explode, Like
it's so cool. It just it sets the tone of
this movie so much. So. Are we at this point,
at this point in the film, we're about ten minutes in,
are you just like, Nah, I'm not into this, this

(57:59):
isn't cool.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
No, Like, there are genuinely like moments in this movie
that I'm like all right, that shot was really cool.
That was really cool. I think I think it's it's
kind of like I think you you know, you say,
you said it right, Like you set it up correctly,
Like the scene where we're seeing him rock climbing and
he gets the mission, he's like, you know, like you said,

(58:21):
like then I wouldn't be on holiday. Like it's it's
some of those moments that I'm just like, man, Like
the dialogue feels really like fringe, and it feels like
it's trying too hard, and it feels like it's doing
what a lot of sequels try to do. They are
trying to emulate the success of the first film rather

(58:41):
than kind of, you know, take the character in a
different direction or you know something somewhere along those ways here.
I see you have it in your notes, but you know,
this is the only movie we have where he's actually
on a mission and not on the run, Like okay,
completely different dynamic here, So like for that much like

(59:03):
I do appreciate it, but like there are the they're
just the writing in here just feels like such a
massive step down from it from the first film.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
I think there there are parts of the writing I
definitely like, but there's a larger focus on the spectacle
of it all. Let me ask you, this is Tom
Cruise a good actor in this movie or is it
just his hair? His hair is doing a lot of
the heavy lifting. I feel like for this film, it

(59:37):
is great.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
It was Tom Cruise at this time. You know, I
talked about this being a product of its time, and
this this hair is definitely a choice that is one
hundred percent of product of its time.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Absolutely. A couple of the behind the scenes facts of
this movie that I find hysterical. It was originally rated R,
and so they cut out a lot of violence to
get at PG third teen rating. I have a feeling
the scene when our main bad guy puts the other
bad guy's finger in the cigar cutter and they show

(01:00:09):
it kind of cut into his finger and then it
cuts away. I think we saw a finger fully get
cut off. If we were ever to get an uncut
version of this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I would like so one of the things that I'm
like fascinated by is like beating history facts because you also,
you know, wrote here that like the original cut of
this film was gren half hours. For as much as
I didn't love this movie, I would have loved to
see a three and a half hour R rated cut
this movie.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Okay, what if it just extends the motorcycle scene by
an hour and a half though, would you still want
to watch it? And look, there was an entire campaign
of release the Snyder cut. We were both big supporters
of that. Where where are the hashtags? Or release the
WU cut? I want to see the WU cut? Release

(01:00:58):
it all right, we can get a special edition Blu
Ray at this point, come on, I'll watch this for
three and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
It's it's a it's twenty fifth anniversary, you know, and
you got you got the you got the new movie
coming out.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
This is it New Ones coming out, twenty fifth Anniversary
Edition four K Blu Ray, uncut, three and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Man, Paramount, Like, you've never had a better opportunity to
release this movie.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
I know it's a slam dunk all the way. Like
there's no financial risk whatsoever for me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Or you know, Paramount also has a streaming platform now,
so release on streaming for me. I always want to
see the director's full vision for a film. I hate
it when studios get involved and we kind of get
this like Frankenstein version of what they originally intended. It's

(01:01:50):
part of the reason that when you go look at
the the Justice League cut of Justice League and you
look at the Snyder cut, you know, for as much
as we joke around about, those things are totally different.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Huge, and so.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I could only imagine that, like, if I'm gonna sit
here and actually get to see and experience a three
and a half hour of mission possible to cut, and
this was John Lu's original vision, then all jokes aside,
I would be there and watch a.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Day one and we're huge. I mean, we're peerists. We
love to see what the director's vision was. We love
to We don't mind longer movies, so we will see those.
When we did our Doctor Sleep episode a few years past,
we watched the extended edition adds like an extra hour
to the movie. I think we watched that and and
that's an example of I love Doctor Sleep. The uncut

(01:02:45):
version is really cool. Not required to enjoy and appreciate
that movie. So if the three hour runtime like puts
people off, it's like watch the theatrical it's fine. I
do tend to agree with you. Of of I like
seeing what the director does. At the same time, there's
a part of me that feels when the director is

(01:03:05):
forced to remove things from a movie, they are making
a decision of what can I remove and what is
the core structure of the film and what needs to stay.
So you're seeing kind of like the most important version
of what that director feels, but it's you definitely miss out.
I enjoy both the theatrical and the extended editions of

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Lord of the Rings. At this point in time, I
will probably only watch the extended editions, But I would
never discount someone for wanting to watch the theatrical, especially
if they're new to it. Get to know the story,
and then go do another rewatch once you're invested and
appreciate everything that was added in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Please tell them my wife that at this point in
our household, it is only gospel that you can watch
Lord of the Rings. Extended cuts were never released theatrically.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
I think my wife is an agreement as well of that,
and it's like, at this point in my life, if
I'm watching Lord of the Rings, it's gonna be the
extended cut. I don't want to discourage anyone from you know,
not don't don't let that be the thing that would
make you not watch Lord of the Rings though if
you don't want to sit through you know, three and
a half four hours of each film.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
One of the things that I will you touched on
this earlier where Red Round it was like the trend
in action movies around like turn the century and like
late nineties early aughts where you would have these like
super viruses that would be kind of like being deadly
threat And one of the things that you know, for

(01:04:48):
as terrifying as this film can that subject matter presented itself,
I think this film never takes itself like super serious.
That's one of the things that I really miss about
that era of action movies is that there is this
level of cheese to it. So this movie, while the

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first film definitely feels like a product of its nineties,
this one kind of steps back a little bit into
like the Jean Claude Van Damn Days or stallone and
kind of like goes back into like that classic eighties
action And I will respect part two for that, I

(01:05:32):
still don't like it. Not every action movie from the
eighties is fantastic, Let's throw that out there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
That's fair. I mean, they're not all Time Cup, which
in fairness is a nineties movie but still Jean Claud
van Dam going back in time, kicking ass, great great
film movies. I love. There's nothing that makes me happier
in a movie. That's not true. There are a lot
of things that make me happy. But out of one
point they're talking about the virus, they're talking about kimer

(01:06:00):
and Ethan Hunt basically goes through the Greek myth of
the chimera and he's explaining, you know, defeating it in
the Warrior and everything. Is he as an IMF agent?
Is he also just an expert in Greek mythology now too,
Like there was no lead up of him researching or anything.
He just knew that, Like did he minor or major

(01:06:22):
in Greek mythology while also training to become a secret agent.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
So this is my theory, is that there is a
there is a there's a montage scene and that three
nalf hour cut. Yes, the camera camera just like pans
around Cruz just reading a and like just surrounded by books,
just taking notes and working on computers and just kind

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of walks it. He goes, hey, you want a coffee.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
He takes a private plane to Greece and he's like
at the Parthenon and just researching, and he's like looking
really inquisitively, like Greek sculptures and stuff. Yeah, I'm telling you,
release the wool cut. It's all in there swhere. You
can't prove to me that it's not. Uh yeah, I
love that theory. That's great. It's he is, you know,

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an academic in addition to being a very suave and
charismatic secret agent.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Again, I think it kind of goes back to like
the Jams Bond comparison, whereas like you have to be swave,
you have to be sexy. Also you have to be
like really knowledgeable. You just gotta know like random shit
about like random cultures and the backstories.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
You have to blend in and be able to talk
to any of anybody about anything. This movie has as
much like action and craziness as it has. It feels
like there's a There are moments kind of in the
middle where it slows down and they're in the planning
stages and they're trying to outsmart and they're at the

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racetrack and she, you know, steals the the thing from
his left jacket pocket and then puts it back in
his right jacket pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
All right, Can we talk about that? Can we talk
about that camera scene real quick? Because yes, one of
the things that blows my mind is that you can
create I never thought about this. I don't know if
you can really do this or not, but can you
create like movies on your computer that are fully animated

(01:08:25):
to this capacity? Put it on one of those like
small SD cards and then just like use your camera
as like a tablet or a phone. Because like I
like seeing them like kind of go through and do that.
I was like, this is two thousand. Are they living
in the year twenty forty? Like is this a thing
that they can do? Now?

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
You know? I think they could. I got my first
digital camera maybe two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
and there was definitely like a screen on there you
could go through, you could look at stuff, so I
could see the technology for them being as advanced as
they are and rich as they are. Yeah, I could
see it being there in two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
I had a camera probably two thousand and four, two
thousand and five, and like I know that, Like I
mean I had that preview too, Like I could like
I took a picture, like I can instantly see it
what I'm what I'm saying is like, it looks like
they made a movie on like Windows movie Maker or
like you know, whatever the Apple equivalent is, and they're like,

(01:09:25):
I don't want anyone to know this dirty little secret.
Let me put it on this like super small ass
floppy drive and boom.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
I think it could be possible. Yeah, the thirty two
megabyte memory card that they have in there, I think
it's possible. I'm gonna say yes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
As someone that readily made like a bunch of movies
growing up, there is no way that you have that
many movies on that little of those space.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Also true, I have a God, there's a I have Boulder,
just so so many, so many movies and videos I
made when I was, you know, younger, from like the
two thousand and five to two thousand and nine era.
There's just so much there. Yeah, I thought it was
so cool. It's a good time, right, we could we
could have been friends back then. We would have watched

(01:10:17):
this movie and tried to make our own mission impossible.
It would have been great.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I know this is like completely off topic, but it's
also on topic. Did you ever watch that show home
Movies on the Adult Swim? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
It's about like it's about these like three groups of kids.
It's the precursor to Bob's Burgers, but it's like it's
one of the first adult swim shows they ever did.
But basically three kids just made their like own like
sci fi and like horror drama and kind of like
kind of think of like the humor of Bob's Burgers,

(01:10:53):
but the concept to be kind rewind and that is
Home Movies. It's a great series that's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
All the look that up definitely, But this movie, it
goes on, there's a lot of you know, trickery, and
there's more fake masking and they find out that you know,
this love interest is actually working against the bad guy,
and she's kind of taken as like a hostage in
the situation, and there's that I assumed it was the

(01:11:20):
finale of the movie, like the big gun fight and
they're trying to take the virus, and I was like, Oh,
the movie's gonna end. And then Tom Cruise blasts a
hole in the wall jumps out. I thought he was
going to take her with him, but no, leaves her
behind and jumps out and bass drumps and has a parachute,
and turns out no, that was not the finale to

(01:11:42):
the movie. That was just a teaser to what would
then be an even more ridiculous finale.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
So I have talked about this in other podcasts and
on our YouTube channel, but one of my biggest pet
peeves in movies is when you get these things that
I call false endings hmm to where you think, man,
this would be like a perfect thing, perfect ending for
the film, and then it just keeps going and going

(01:12:12):
and going, going and going, and I was just like, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
And that's a funny thing. Like, this movie is not
that long by movie standards. It's two hours and three minutes.
That's like a very average length through a movie. I agree,
as much as I love the action, it just continues
and keeps going, and I feel like they have to
make up they were making up for something because they
didn't have as many action scenes throughout the film. They
really all just saved it. I said to my wife

(01:12:38):
when we were watching it, I'm like, I feel like
they saved the entire budget for this movie for the
last thirty minutes. And that's where they got all the pyrotechnics,
all the stunt guys, all the cars they had to destroy,
the motorcycles they had to bring out, like all of
this stuff comes out, the helicopters that have to fly around,
like all all these things come out for the end
of the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
You know, I bet there's like something like as in
like Tom Cruisi's contract where he's just like, I will
do eighty five percent of this movie for this lower rate,
give me this last fifteen and then this is where
all of the production value goes. You're right, man, this
this this is probably one of the longest climaxes I

(01:13:25):
think I've ever sat through. As I put in my notes,
I was like, God, this thing is is this thing
still going? Like I think it's just like for me,
I think the thing that like just gets me about
this movie is the writing. I just keep coming back

(01:13:45):
to the writing. And it's such a shame because it's
written by Robert town one of the co writers of
the first film. And you know, I think I think
maybe it's like you needed that second voice with David
Nope to kind of, like I guess, gott of like

(01:14:06):
flesh out those ideas. But I just I don't know, man,
it just kind of seemed like and I don't know
if like the student getting involved being like now this
three and a half hour film has now got to
be cut down to two hour film. I don't know
if it's just like choice like that, but it just
feels like this film just kind of it. I don't know,

(01:14:27):
just it felt really bland. It felt very paint by,
like paid by the numbers. I'm glad you liked it.
I this film just felt like such a chore to
get through this.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
And this is crazy to me. I can't you watch
this movie and call it bland?

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Come on?

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
Did you miss the part where Tom Cruise rides his
motorcycle through the remnants of a flaming car, which, by
the way, behind the scenes, he did not have any
fire like protective equipment. He just did that. And he
goes they're shooting guns from motorcycles, They're chasing each other,
playing chicken with each other. It is so cool. It's

(01:15:08):
also funny getting a glimpse of this classic filmmaking. If
you ever went to Hollywood Studios in Disney World back
in the day, they had a stunt action show with
stunt cars. It was one of my favorite things to see,
and they would sort of show you and tell you
behind the scenes. The good guy would be in a

(01:15:30):
red car so that you could keep track of them,
and all the bad guys were in the black cars,
and so they would do that and you would watch
and it made it very easy to track and I realized
watching this movie, oh my god, they did that. But
the opposite, the bad guys on the red motorcycle you
can very clearly track him and see where he is,
and then Tom Cruise is on the other one. And
it's just like a fun visual aid that clearly someone

(01:15:53):
in the planning of the movie was like, Okay, we
need to differentiate these two motorcycles because when they're flying past,
you know super quickly, you're not going to be able
to quickly identify the actor on them, so we need
to make sure they are different. So just funny seeing
that stuff kind of be as blatant when you start
to think about some of the decision making that was
happening with this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Yeah, I mean I can like the small details like that. Again,
there are things about this movie that I can respect.
That's one of the things that I think about being
a cinephile that people who don't watch movies like very
regularly or podcasts about them. Don't understand is that at
the end of the day, like I cannot like a

(01:16:36):
movie and there still be things that I respect about it,
And Mission Impossible Too is most certainly one of those,
because I think this movie has good things going for it.
It's not definitely the worst movie I've ever seen, but
it's one of the worst action movies. Okay, So I'll

(01:16:58):
just say that there. I just feel this movie just
kind of makes a lot of like missteps for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
Well, here here's a challenge that I'll give to you
in a thought experiment, because I always go into a
movie and I don't like to be negative about things,
and so if there are things that criticize, I will.
But I always come out of movies, especially movies that
are notoriously hated. Okay, there was this movie clearly got greenlit,

(01:17:25):
there were people behind it who were passionate about it.
There were all of these things that contributed to it.
What is one good thing about this movie? An example
I use is as much as people hate Attack of
the Clones, I feel the costume design in that movie
is some of the best that I've seen in any
of the star Wars films. The costume designer deserves a

(01:17:47):
ton of props for that movie. So my question to you,
Josh is what is the one thing coming out of
this movie that you can compliment and say, yeah, that
was a genuine great part of this movie. Everything else aside.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
I think I think this single moment is not only
the best thing in this this film, but one of
the best moments in the entire franchise. Okay, and I
think also you would probably agree with it. It is
the fire and Dove scene, That fire and Dove scene,

(01:18:22):
just the way the music hits, the way the slow
mo hits, and the way the Cruz just looks at
the bad guy like get done, fucked.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Up, walks past. I thought he was going to walk
through the hole he just blew up, but he just
walks past it and keeps going.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
This keeps going. It's so badass, but like it works
so freaking well. It is the best moment to where
like I actually rewound it and I was like, I
just want to watch this again.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
I want I have such a large gift collection on
my work computer that I use for like reactions for people.
I'm gonna go find a gift of that moment and
save it because it is. It's phenomenal. I rewound and
watched it too. I finished the movie, so we started
recording you know this tonight. I watched the movie prior
to recording. When we ended, I had like, that's like
twenty minutes before I have to jump on. We rewound

(01:19:19):
to that scene and I just watched it again and
I was like, this is such a cool moment. The
dove is so unnecessary, but I don't even care. I
love it so much. That's that's just fantastic. That is
an example of just great concentric like filmmaking that I

(01:19:40):
am just so into. It's a type of scene that
if I want to pitch this movie to somebody, that
might be one of the scenes I pull out and
say just just look at this, like it is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
One percent. It's such a good scene, and like I
felt like it was such a refreshing scene like watching
it because like every note I felt like I was
taking was like, golly, it's so negative. It's so negative.
And then I was like, wait, wait, all right, this

(01:20:13):
was pretty cool. I'll give w this. This is this
is pretty sweet.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Absolutely, there's something I definitely wanted to touch on. Is
there our main bad guy? Is it a It's Doug
ray Scott. He plays Ambrose. Right, So, as as you know,
Josh and I know, this is the actor who was

(01:20:40):
originally offered the role of Wolverine. Is that correct? In
X Men? So X Men came out the same year
as this movie, very close to this release date actually,
so let me I got it. I got up in
front of me here. So Mission Possible Too came out
May twenty fourth, X Men July fourteenth, so just at

(01:21:00):
you know, almost two months later, like six weeks later. So, yeah,
he was offered the role of Wolverine, already signed on
for Mission Impossible Too, was not able to do it,
So the role went to Hugh Jackman. How monumental of
just a random bit of happenstances that that we got

(01:21:22):
what many considered to be the greatest comic book actor
ever in Hugh Jackman's Wolverine because of Mission Impossible Too.
It's a connection I never thought we would have.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Oh it gets deeper than that. So Joe Joe Blow
put out a put out a thing about a couple
of months ago, and it was this video of kind
of the history of X Men and what could have
been with this one. So they talked about this, and
so Scott had actually worked out a deal with Paramount

(01:21:57):
and Fox to shoot both at the same time. Because
while Mission Impossible Too is winding down, pre production for
X Men was starting up, and it was Tom Cruise
that refused to let him go. So Tom Cruise is
the reason why we have Hugh Jackman. Oh my technical here.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
Let's get Tom Cruise in an X Men movie. That's
what we need. Bring him in for Avengers Doomsday. We
that's you know, that's what we need here. Let's close
the loop on this.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
I want it so bad.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
That would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
There are so many connections, either due to coincidences or tragedy.
H the one that I bring up a lot. This
is not a sports cast, and I'm not as into sports,
but I do like football and I am from New England,
so the Patriots are my football team with Tom Brady,
who is sadly retired and left and that was a thing.

(01:23:00):
But when he was here, he was great. A very
very sad reality that I feel if so nine to
eleven never happens, Tom Brady never starts for the New
England Patriots. The reason is because nine to eleven happened
the week. That week, the football game's happening get canceled,

(01:23:23):
and so no football's played the following week. The NFL
picks up again. That game the following week is the
one that Drew Bledsoe, who is the quarterback of the
New England Patriots, takes his hit and is injured and
out for the season, and Tom Brady comes in as
a second string quarterback and starts the game, goes on

(01:23:45):
to win the Super Bowl that year and do everything
else that he does. I feel if that game had
never been skipped, and if they ended up playing that Sunday,
Drew Bledsoe probably doesn't get hit, probably goes and plays
the entire season, Tom Brady rides the bench, and you
never see what becomes of the dynasty of that so Again,

(01:24:06):
not a football cast, but when we look at events
and how they correlate, there's some wild connections you can
see here.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
There are some wild ones. Indeed, that's that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
Yeah, it is. It is absurd there, but it goes.
There's you can get, you know, as deep as you
want to go. Here. These these two movies are great.
I like Mission Impossible. I would even say I love
Mission Impossible. When I think about the type of action
movies I like, these are not usually the ones that
I go to. Most of them. I remember the big scenes,

(01:24:42):
but I don't remember the overall plot. I don't think
I could tell you what any of the upcoming mission
or past Mission impossible movies are like we're about, but
I remember, you know, Tom Cruise hanging off the side
of a plane. I remember him doing a halo jump
I'm put out of an aircraft, or jumping his motorcycle

(01:25:03):
into a ravine. Like those are the pieces that I remember,
and that's what sticks with me. And so I go
into these films not even paying that close attention to
the plot. I'm here for the spectacle and the spectacles
what they deliver on. So I yeah, these these movies
are great. I'm really enjoying this, rewatch. I appreciate you

(01:25:24):
inviting me on to do this. I probably wouldn't be
watching these if we weren't gonna be talking about them
and doing this. So this is a really fun journey
for us to take.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
But is the final reckoning? Like I mean, I feel like.

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
We have to well, and that's it was gonna be
Dead Reckoning Part one and two, right, But then they
change the name of this one to the Final Reckoning,
So now it's Dead Reckoning Final Reckoning. Like it's great,
it's gonna be three hours long, it's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
I did not know, but I still care for it.
It's one of those things too that I think by
now Paramount has kind of learned to a trust the
director and trust Cruise with this because he's proven time
and time again that he's he has a vision for
what this thing could be and he's very involved. And

(01:26:17):
again I think that goes to what we were saying
earlier about him being one of those last and a
classic movie stars that he's wanting to, you know, create
a spectacle, create a reason for people to want to pay,
you know, a lot of money to experience a spectacle like.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
This, absolutely, and for someone to be committed, from the directing,
to the crew, to the actors on stage to be
able to do all this. I got into Mission Impossible,
and this is just a quick story. It was when
I think it was Rogue Nation. When he does the
stunt in the beginning of hanging off the jet plane

(01:27:02):
as it's taking off, that was a big moment in
the trailer, and the first time I watched that ever,
I was like, that looks really cool they got they
got a really good green screen to do that, Like,
I wonder how they film that, And then I saw
behind the scenes. No, they just attached Tom Cruise to
the side of a plane and had it take off
and they filmed it. And I was like, that is
literally insane. And then I started to do more research

(01:27:26):
and realize, oh, yeah, you know, Tom Cruise does many
of his own stunts, but he is always looking for
ways to up the ante from you know, training himself
to hold his breath forever how long he had to
when he was you know, jumped in and had to
do that that scene in whichever movie I forget which

(01:27:47):
one to hanging off the bursch Khalifa and I think
Ghost Protocol he does that. So there are just a
lot of cool things. I don't feel like we have
seen you know, what his big stunts are going to
be in this movie yet, but I'm excited for them.
And my final thing that I want to say, and
it's important and I probably should have led the show
with this shout out to whoever is in charge of

(01:28:09):
editing the trailers for these movies. For a long time,
I used to not watch movie trailers. I watch trailers now,
but I'll usually just watch them once and then I'm like, cool,
that's great. I'm excited to see whatever I'm seeing. Mission
Impossible just about every single one the trailer shows you
exactly what you want to see to get hyped for

(01:28:30):
the movie. It shows you Tom Cruise running, It shows
you Simon Peg driving a boat. It shows you something
blowing up. It's the Mission Impossible themes. It's showing you
these quick action sequences and I'm like, cool, you don't
need to tell me anything else. There doesn't even any dialogue.
You don't need to indicate what the movie is going
to be about. I am hooked and I'm coming. That's

(01:28:51):
what I want to see. And I love that for
this upcoming movie, the trailers that I've seen, it's just
these quick cuts of the action sequences and there's not
a whole lot else, and I just I love that.
So shout out to whoever cuts those trailers, because they
are phenomenal. I wish more more movies were like that.
I would love a Harry Potter or a Star Wars

(01:29:14):
trailer that is just quick, you know, cuts of scenes
and action and close ups of actor faces and then
title card and release date, and it's like done. You've
convinced me. I don't need to know anything more about
this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
More trailers just need to be like that, Like honestly speaking,
like I don't watch trailers anymore, and like typically when
I go to the movies, I'm there probably weekly, but
I will typically bring headphones and watch a short film
or read during the trailers, and I know when it

(01:29:49):
comes on. So we will be back talking about Mission
Impossible three and It's Impossible Ghost Protocol in a day
or so, who knows. As we continue on our nine
day celebration here to celebrate nine years mental health awareness.
But Dan, where you can find you online.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
You can find me in a few different places. You
can see me on the Victims and Villain's podcast if
you want to go back through the catalog. I've been
on just many episodes over the years. At this point,
there are a whole lot of movies that we've done
over the years, so definitely check me out there. I
do writing over at tech Raptor for game previews, reviews, features,

(01:30:32):
so check that stuff out. Even if you don't read
my stuff. There are a lot of cool, talented writers
over there with some great stuff, so definitely shout out
to a tech raptor. I will am. Also, I occasionally
am with our friends over at Collateral Gaming and they
do video game podcasts. I will be on an upcoming

(01:30:55):
episode joining them to talk about Hogwarts Legacy, which released
a couple of years yars Ago a huge Harry Potter fan,
and when I heard they were doing it, I knew
I wanted to get involved, so I asked if I
could join it and they said yes, So we'll be
recording that tomorrow night as we are recording this. So
I'm doing back to back night podcasting, which is great

(01:31:15):
because it gives me a chance to hang out with
my friends and talk about stuff I love. So catch
me on all those different areas and yeah, you'll be
hearing and seeing more of me as we go along.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Yeah, I have a question for you before we leave,
and do socials. Did you ever think that when we
did this podcasting back to pop culture explorers and Victims
and Villains all those years ago, that we would still
be talking podcasting these late years later.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
I had no clue, man. That was December twenty sixteen.
I believe when we got together, you guys reached out
and said, do you want to do our crossover episode?
And I said, yeah, absolutely. My co host Chris at
the time, who is now married with two children, like
what that wasn't a thing back then? And yeah, just
a great time. And I love that this, this friendship

(01:32:06):
is honestly the best thing that has come out of
getting into podcasting, getting into this this network, being able
to speak about mental health and and promote you know,
self care and things that I really care about. This
is the kind of stuff that that you know, it's
important to have hobbies and passions, and it's I do

(01:32:26):
not take for granted that I get to play these games,
watch these movies, do all this cool stuff and then
come on here and and just talk and talk to
my friends about it. It is. It is so cool,
and I'm happy that we've been going strong for Yeah,
this is our our ninth ninth year together. We're gonna
be We're gonna have to do something crazy Christmas twenty
twenty six, so we'll have to do our ten year
like anniversary together.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Yeah, dude, that's it's so crazy. Like I there are
certain relationships that I've made while podcasting and you definitely
being like one of them that has just been like
really humbling because I'm just like man, and like you know,
you I've talked about this before, like you think that
you know, when you get into podcasting, like there are
certain guests that you'll have once and you'll never talk

(01:33:09):
to that person again, and that's cool, like they were
a great guest. And then you know there are people
that you'll kind of keep you interacting with. And you know,
we've been able to do uh, you know, crossovers with
Collateral Gaming and you guys, you and and victims and
villains and you know, just a whole ray of stuff, man,
and just kind of getting to be friends with you

(01:33:32):
for nine years. Like it's also just kind of crazy
to think about that as well, just to talk about
movies and video games and you know, uh, just a
bunch of stuff off off behind the microphonees. You know,
it's been also really cool to kind of get to
just know you as a person. I've never officially met
your wife, but I feel like I know her through

(01:33:54):
stories at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
I know she did come in when we did our
School of Rock episode and we're doing the interview. She
did come in to talk to him, and that's live
on the episode. If you go back and watch that,
you can hear her come on and talk to him.
That was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Yeah, that was a great episode.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
I love that. I love that movie. I really want
to see the musical. There's just yeah, there's a whole
we could go a whole other hour just talking and
planning and stuff, and so I will, I'll let you
get some sleep. We will cut this episode. But yeah, no,
I do not take any of this for granted. It's
been I do not use the term blessed often or

(01:34:32):
you know, exaggerate it, but definitely feeling blessed to have,
you know, met some incredible people through this and to
be able to still still do this and have a
lot of fun and be able to do all this stuff.
It's been great.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Same and as of this episode, my other podcast at
Biscayzing would have just put out our one hundred and
fiftieth episode recovered Halloween nineteen seventy eight, one of our favorites,
So just kind of celebrations all round. You guys can
find me coasting that every Wednesday night at six pm

(01:35:06):
Eastern Santa Time. Wherever you get your podcasts from, you
guys can also check out on my other podcast that
I Praise, a Nicholas Cage podcast that is currently on
hiatus at the moment. You guys can find past episodes
that Dan and I have done. I mean, there are
so many of them. They've covered literally everything from Doctor Sleep,

(01:35:29):
School of Rock, Hell Raiser God.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Pretty sure we did Rise of Skywalker, Yeah, Skywalker, definitely
some Marvel stuff. There's a Captain Marvel episode out there
somewhere we probably did. I don't know if we did Solo. Yeah,
we did Solo, man, I remember that God that feels
Solo exists in this weird place in my mind where

(01:35:55):
it was pre COVID. I think that was a twenty
eighteen release and it just yeah, things like life felt
simpler back then, and then it got super complicated with
pandemics and elections and politics and and all kinds of
stuff that you know, weigh on my mind these days.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Yeah, when are you guys go back? We've also done
It's a Wonderful Life. Yeah, I think that's that might
be the oldest movie we've actually covered. But uh, you
guys can find it Victims and Villains dot. I just
go to Victims and Villains dot mate. You guys will
find all of the past episodes we've teased, movie reviews,
other shows on our podcast network, social media, and most importantly,

(01:36:35):
our mental health resource libraries. So join us tomorrow when
we talk about Mission Impossible three and it goes protocol.
But until next time, I remember to keep it classy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
You say that rope off of you and no, you
are loved. Drop that nief off of your Spit those

(01:37:12):
pills out of your mouth, leave the cun out of your.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Head, and know you are loved.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
You are alive, You're not alone, don't be afraid and more.

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